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JasonJohnHorn
10-20-2012, 08:38 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/top-10-power-forwards-kevin-love-dirk-nowitzki-blake-griffin-100312#tab=photo-title=Kevin+Love%252C+Minnesota+Timberwolves&photo=31357176

10. Tim Duncan
9. Josh Smith
8. Amare Stoudimire
7. Pau Gasol
6. LMA
5. Kevin Garnett
4. Chris Bosh
3. Blake Griffen
2. Dirk
1. Love


Interesting list.. obviously KG, Duncan and perhaps even Bosh will all be playing center this season... I would have liked to see Duncan a little higher on the list (his per36 minute stats are better than many on the list, even if his limited minutes hurt his averages the last couple of seasons). Dirk, after the season he had last year, I don't think should be number two on the list... this is a hard list to put together though, becuase Pau and Bosh are both playing at a leven that would be earning them 20/10 numbers if they were on teams where they were the first or second option... but just because another forward is on a team that requires him to score more doesn't mean he'd better than them. Then you get Duncan and Garnett whose limited minutes hit their averages and make them look like they have less of an impact than they actually do.

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 08:42 PM
Duncan is too low, Griffin too high.

Hawkeye15
10-20-2012, 08:44 PM
Griffin way too high, Gasol way too low. In fact, they need to be switched and I can live with the list.

Killerjug
10-20-2012, 08:44 PM
LMA is too low

Tai_chi_bbc
10-20-2012, 08:51 PM
Duncan too low, Griffin too high, move LMA up 1 or 2 and Amare down 1 or 2

IAmARanger18
10-20-2012, 08:53 PM
I honestly have Aldridge ranked higher than Griffin.

Love
Dirk
Aldridge
Gasol
Griffin

PurpleJesus
10-20-2012, 08:54 PM
Blake Griffin has become so over rated, that people under rate him...what kind of 22 year old averages 20 points and 11 rebounds on 55% shooting, and is considered over rated? Only Blake Griffin. Even if age werent an issue, I take Blake over every PF in the league not named Kevin Love.

STL Don
10-20-2012, 08:55 PM
1.Love
2.Dirk
3.LeMarcus Aldridge
4.Pau Gasol
5.Griffin -- He just needs to continue developing into a better leader on the floor
6.KG
7.Amar'e Stoudemire (when healthy could even be higher)
8.Zach Randolph (needs to stay healthy)
9.Josh Smith
10.David Lee

Duncan& Bosh weren't added being that they'll be playing a lot of center this upcoming year.

jerellh528
10-20-2012, 08:56 PM
switch Gasol and griffin, then griffin and bosh

Bravo95
10-20-2012, 08:58 PM
A lot of people would trade Amare for Josh straight up if offered.

Hellcrooner
10-20-2012, 09:21 PM
this is a mess up.

1 Love
2 Aldrige
3 Pau
4 Bosh
5 Dirk
6 Griffin
7 Amare
8 J Smith
9 Randolph
10 Scola

Tim and Kg spent the season playing CENTER and shouldnt be on the list.

Ill21
10-20-2012, 09:34 PM
1.Love
2.Dirk
3.LeMarcus Aldridge
4.Pau Gasol
5.Griffin -- He just needs to continue developing into a better leader on the floor
6.KG
7.Amar'e Stoudemire (when healthy could even be higher)
8.Zach Randolph (needs to stay healthy)
9.Josh Smith
10.David Lee

Duncan& Bosh weren't added being that they'll be playing a lot of center this upcoming year.

Perfect list IMO

LakersMaster24
10-20-2012, 09:45 PM
Give me Pau over 2012 KG anyday.

Davidgta1
10-20-2012, 10:36 PM
So Blake is 3rd cuz he can dunk? LMA is better

Legitimate
10-21-2012, 12:05 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/top-10-power-forwards-kevin-love-dirk-nowitzki-blake-griffin-100312#tab=photo-title=Kevin+Love%252C+Minnesota+Timberwolves&photo=31357176

10. Tim Duncan
9. Josh Smith
8. Amare Stoudimire
7. Pau Gasol
6. LMA
5. Kevin Garnett
4. Chris Bosh
3. Blake Griffen
2. Dirk
1. Love


Interesting list.. obviously KG, Duncan and perhaps even Bosh will all be playing center this season... I would have liked to see Duncan a little higher on the list (his per36 minute stats are better than many on the list, even if his limited minutes hurt his averages the last couple of seasons). Dirk, after the season he had last year, I don't think should be number two on the list... this is a hard list to put together though, becuase Pau and Bosh are both playing at a leven that would be earning them 20/10 numbers if they were on teams where they were the first or second option... but just because another forward is on a team that requires him to score more doesn't mean he'd better than them. Then you get Duncan and Garnett whose limited minutes hit their averages and make them look like they have less of an impact than they actually do.

Can't respect the list, Chris is just really good on offense only.

Greedy22
10-21-2012, 12:28 AM
No love for LMA, he's top 3 at worst.. Griffin is too high, catching lobs from cp3 and making sports center's top 10 every night doesn't equate to being a top 5 pf.

LA_Raiders
10-21-2012, 01:43 AM
Bosh & Griff are way too high

TheSource
10-21-2012, 02:12 AM
Pau is too low.

abe_froman
10-21-2012, 02:22 AM
Blake Griffin has become so over rated, that people under rate him...what kind of 22 year old averages 20 points and 11 rebounds on 55% shooting, and is considered over rated? Only Blake Griffin. Even if age werent an issue, I take Blake over every PF in the league not named Kevin Love.
this

calling griffin overrated ,ect. is so the invogue thing to do right now(as always happens when a player gets attention from the mainsteam,see: rose until now) that most just say it to fit in.and that he's starting to be underrated status on this site

YouCan'tBeatLA
10-21-2012, 02:33 AM
Top 5 should be:

1. Love
2. LMA
3. Pau
4. Dirk
5. Bosh

-Kobe24-TJ19-
10-21-2012, 05:02 AM
a very bad list is all I can say

Alayla
10-21-2012, 05:36 AM
Griffen to high LMA too low

DanG
10-21-2012, 07:51 AM
1. Kevin Love
2. LaMarcus Aldridge
3. Dirk Nowitzki
4. Pau Gasol
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Chris Bosh
7. Blake Griffin
8. Zach Randolph
9. Josh Smith
10. Amar'e Stoudemire

The goods
10-21-2012, 08:42 AM
1.Love
2.Dirk
3.LeMarcus Aldridge
4.Pau Gasol
5.Griffin -- He just needs to continue developing into a better leader on the floor
6.KG
7.Amar'e Stoudemire (when healthy could even be higher)
8.Zach Randolph (needs to stay healthy)
9.Josh Smith
10.David Lee

Duncan& Bosh weren't added being that they'll be playing a lot of center this upcoming year.

This list is perfect

kdspurman
10-21-2012, 09:43 AM
1.Love
2.Dirk
3.LeMarcus Aldridge
4.Pau Gasol
5.Griffin -- He just needs to continue developing into a better leader on the floor
6.KG
7.Amar'e Stoudemire (when healthy could even be higher)
8.Zach Randolph (needs to stay healthy)
9.Josh Smith
10.David Lee

Duncan& Bosh weren't added being that they'll be playing a lot of center this upcoming year.

Won't KG be playing the 5 spot as well? I haven't seen too many of their pre season games but I thought he was

waveycrockett
10-21-2012, 09:55 AM
Josh Smith is better than Amare. And Blake Griffin shoulld be top-2. Considering the ridiculous numbers he is putting up and the fact that he is only getting better. Dirk at this point I would put behind KG. KG is still beasting on both ends of the court.

I Rock Shaqs
10-21-2012, 10:23 AM
SHOULD BE
1. Love
2. KG
3. Paul Gasol
4. Dirk
5. LMA
6. Josh Smith
7. Blake Griffin
8. Amare Stoudmire
9. Paul Millsap
10. Zach Randolph

jmaest
10-21-2012, 11:01 AM
I just have one question: There aren't 10 better Power Forwards than Amare at this point? If not, then it's a really weak position. He's a shell of his former self. I would submit that he's on this list based on name recognition and nothing else.

KnicksorBust
10-21-2012, 11:07 AM
So Blake is 3rd cuz he can dunk? LMA is better

No. Blake is third because he's ridiculously talented offensively and is a monster on the glass.


Can't respect the list, Chris is just really good on offense only.

Wrong. Bosh took a huge step forward defensively last year.

KnicksorBust
10-21-2012, 11:09 AM
I just have one question: There aren't 10 better Power Forwards than Amare at this point? If not, then it's a really weak position. He's a shell of his former self. I would submit that he's on this list based on name recognition and nothing else.

No. There aren't. He still averaged 18-8 and is fully expected to have a bounce back season after busting his *** during the offseason and even working with Hakeem on a low post game.

Daunter
10-21-2012, 01:41 PM
I would take Josh Smith and Aldridge over Amare

Corey
10-21-2012, 01:44 PM
Garnett shouldn't be on any PF list at this point. Played more Center last year, and he's starting center this year again.

dewpsp
10-21-2012, 02:38 PM
No. Blake is third because he's ridiculously talented offensively and is a monster on the glass.


if talented means pushing off for rebounds and pushing off for dunks then yes. anyone watching without bias can see that he fouls almost everytime and he complains that he's the one getting foul. griffin has no game. if paul wasn't on the team, i doubt he'll even be on any top 10 list besides dunking. if the refs calls it the way it should be, he might not even be a top 15 pf. he has to be the most overrated player in the history of the nba.

Bravo95
10-21-2012, 07:19 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=smithjo03&y1=2012&p2=stoudam01&y2=2012

Cal827
10-21-2012, 07:24 PM
Dirk isn't the 2nd best PF lol

KnicksorBust
10-21-2012, 08:29 PM
if talented means pushing off for rebounds and pushing off for dunks then yes. anyone watching without bias can see that he fouls almost everytime and he complains that he's the one getting foul. griffin has no game. if paul wasn't on the team, i doubt he'll even be on any top 10 list besides dunking. if the refs calls it the way it should be, he might not even be a top 15 pf. he has to be the most overrated player in the history of the nba.

So the roughly 1000 points he scored last season that were not dunks were just luck? :laugh: This is like the guy that said LeBron would have scored 8-10 less points per game if they called him for traveling. Also, no matter how much you want to downplay his dunking... it still counts for two points and helps make him an elite PF. You probably also have no idea that he was one of the best passers last season for big men.

Having Chris Paul on his team is just a bonus not the reason for his success. He actually scored more points per game and got to the free throw line more last season. His effeciency remained about the same. To act like he relies on Paul to put up his numbers is grossly inaccurate.

dewpsp
10-21-2012, 11:20 PM
So the roughly 1000 points he scored last season that were not dunks were just luck? :laugh: This is like the guy that said LeBron would have scored 8-10 less points per game if they called him for traveling. Also, no matter how much you want to downplay his dunking... it still counts for two points and helps make him an elite PF. You probably also have no idea that he was one of the best passers last season for big men.

Having Chris Paul on his team is just a bonus not the reason for his success. He actually scored more points per game and got to the free throw line more last season. His effeciency remained about the same. To act like he relies on Paul to put up his numbers is grossly inaccurate.

you just don't get it. just keep ignoring all the offensive fouls i said he should be getting called for. go watch at least one of his game before you keep talking. even in his highlight reel, he's fouling. i live in los angeles so i get all their games. he should be fouling out based on offensive fouls alone. lebron can change the way he dribbles if they start to call his traveling cuz he doesn't rely on it. start calling griffin for the offensive foul and what can he do? even his biggest homer fan can admit that he gets away with a lot fouls, yet you can't. he's one of the best passer for big men? how can that even be true when at least 5 of the power forward on this is better than him in passing? name one skill he has that's top 5 or even top 10 besides dunking. all the players on that list does everything better than him with the lone exception of dunking. he's only a highlight reel machine for dunking, that's it, nothing more. to put him as a top 10 because of it is ****ing stupid.

Swashcuff
10-22-2012, 12:55 PM
Can't respect the list, Chris is just really good on offense only.

This is nothing but a hater post IMO. How can you have a problem with Bosh being where he was and fine with Blake when Bosh took considerable strides on that end of the floor to become one of the best two way bigs in the entire NBA?

iDefend10
10-22-2012, 01:01 PM
No Paul Millsap??? Dude is very underrated.

Swashcuff
10-22-2012, 01:06 PM
you just don't get it. just keep ignoring all the offensive fouls i said he should be getting called for.

What about the defensive fouls that he doesn't get called in his favour? They vastly outweigh those that he supposedly cause with his arms when dunking.


go watch at least one of his game before you keep talking. even in his highlight reel, he's fouling. i live in los angeles so i get all their games. he should be fouling out based on offensive fouls alone.

Honestly from what I've read from you in this thread I couldn't tell.


lebron can change the way he dribbles if they start to call his traveling cuz he doesn't rely on it. start calling griffin for the offensive foul and what can he do? even his biggest homer fan can admit that he gets away with a lot fouls, yet you can't. he's one of the best passer for big men? how can that even be true when at least 5 of the power forward on this is better than him in passing? name one skill he has that's top 5 or even top 10 besides dunking. all the players on that list does everything better than him with the lone exception of dunking. he's only a highlight reel machine for dunking, that's it, nothing more. to put him as a top 10 because of it is ****ing stupid.

You CLEARLY don't watch Blake Griffin play.

dee279
10-22-2012, 01:18 PM
No love for LMA, he's top 3 at worst.. Griffin is too high, catching lobs from cp3 and making sports center's top 10 every night doesn't equate to being a top 5 pf.

Yea but averaging 20 and 11 your first 2 seasons does. Some people need to get over the blake hate

JordansBulls
10-22-2012, 01:31 PM
Griffin way too high, Gasol way too low. In fact, they need to be switched and I can live with the list.

This

akia83
10-22-2012, 01:40 PM
Where the **** is Paul Millsap!!!??

Tmath
10-22-2012, 01:45 PM
Love is extremely overrated

rickshaw
10-22-2012, 01:54 PM
Aren't Duncan, KG, and now Bosh all centers?

1.Love
2.Dirk
3.LeMarcus Aldridge
4.Pau Gasol
5.Griffin
6.Josh Smith
7.Ibaka
8.Amare Stoudemire
9.Zach Randolph
10.David Lee

J$mo0th_3o5
10-22-2012, 02:51 PM
Can't respect the list, Chris is just really good on offense only.

Such an ignorant statement.

iDefend10
10-22-2012, 02:52 PM
I am amazed by the lack of respect for Paul Millsap.

tp13baby
10-22-2012, 02:58 PM
I am amazed by the lack of respect for Paul Millsap.

He is not better than players on that list.

Sly Guy
10-22-2012, 03:09 PM
this is a mess up.

1 Love
2 Aldrige
3 Pau
4 Bosh
5 Dirk
6 Griffin
7 Amare
8 J Smith
9 Randolph
10 Scola

Tim and Kg spent the season playing CENTER and shouldnt be on the list.

agreed. It's time to stop thinking of those old men as power forwards.

valade16
10-22-2012, 06:35 PM
As a Blazer fan who loves Aldridge, I'd say he's the 2nd best PF currently behind Love, however I could easily see an argument for Pau, Bosh, Dirk, or Griffin to be above him. So somewhere in the 2-6 range is fair.

Hawkeye15
10-22-2012, 06:38 PM
As a Blazer fan who loves Aldridge, I'd say he's the 2nd best PF currently behind Love, however I could easily see an argument for Pau, Bosh, Dirk, or Griffin to be above him. So somewhere in the 2-6 range is fair.

I can not see an argument for Griffin above LMA dude. I have LMA 4th.

Love
Dirk
Gasol
LMA

Blitzbolt
10-22-2012, 06:40 PM
I think injury's hurt Aldrige he is a top 3 PF it also hurt guys like David West and Randolph who could easily be top 10 PFs.

Hawkeye15
10-22-2012, 06:41 PM
I think injury's hurt Aldrige he is a top 3 PF it also hurt guys like David West and Randolph who could easily be top 10 PFs.

I thought Randolph's omission from this list was odd.

Blitzbolt
10-22-2012, 06:43 PM
I am amazed by the lack of respect for Paul Millsap.

O yea I always forget about him he is really good but I wonder why always forget him.

HowFit
10-22-2012, 07:03 PM
SHOULD BE
1. Love
2. KG
3. Paul Gasol
4. Dirk
5. LMA
6. Josh Smith
7. Blake Griffin
8. Amare Stoudmire
9. Paul Millsap
10. Zach Randolph

Looks more like it...

valade16
10-23-2012, 01:15 PM
I can not see an argument for Griffin above LMA dude. I have LMA 4th.

Love
Dirk
Gasol
LMA

I can see the argument, he is superior statistically in several key areas including efficiency. That being said, I think it's a product of Griffin being absurdly athletic and good at a few traits that produce monster stats where LMA isn't as elite in a few areas but he's really good at a lot more different things than Griffin.

superkegger
10-23-2012, 01:19 PM
Amare shouldn't be on the list. His game has fallen way off.

ChiSox219
10-23-2012, 02:40 PM
Man if Blake could just stop dominating inside and start taking/making more 15 foot fadeaways, maybe then people would give him some respect.

ChiSox219
10-23-2012, 02:42 PM
Who saw Blake with the MJ pump fake yesterday?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_BLpBfyA8g

seikou8
10-23-2012, 02:43 PM
Man if Blake could just stop dominating inside and start taking/making more 15 foot fadeaways, maybe then people would give him some respect.

lol i know peole are so stupid they think pf should shoot sorry i want my big men in that paint he need to work his post game and free throw shooting and play better defense that's it

rpgmaster86
10-23-2012, 02:58 PM
It's funny how ppl kill amare for his D but griffin is the worst on D!!! and he flops so with the new rules I bet his D gets even worse. Yet he's rated higher than amare when career stats are pretty even...

carruthers32
10-23-2012, 03:01 PM
A lot of people would trade Amare for Josh straight up if offered.

Those people are idiots.

John Walls Era
10-23-2012, 03:01 PM
this is a mess up.

1 Love
2 Aldrige
3 Pau
4 Bosh
5 Dirk
6 Griffin
7 Amare
8 J Smith
9 Randolph
10 Scola

Tim and Kg spent the season playing CENTER and shouldnt be on the list.

People love Aldridge. But he hasn't done anything that Bosh hasn't done. Move Him down to 4. Move Pau and Bosh up. Move Griffin and Amare down.

numba1CHANGsta
10-23-2012, 03:12 PM
Wow what a horrible list! who hires these guys? seriously most of us in here can write better sports articles than most of these dumb writers. Anyways this is how the Top 10 should look like:

10. Amare
9. Josh Smith
8. Duncan
7. Bosh
6. KG
5. Blake Griffin
4. Pau Gasol
3. Dirk
2. LMA
1. Love

cg_la00
10-23-2012, 03:19 PM
I honestly have Aldridge ranked higher than Griffin.

Love
Dirk
Aldridge
Gasol
Griffin

this looks good to me

TylerSL
10-23-2012, 06:02 PM
Bosh is a Center now, but if you include him, Bosh is better than Blake easily. Pau is way too low.

1.Kevin Love
2.Dirk Nowitzki
3.Chris Bosh
4.Pau Gasol
5.Josh Smith
6.Blake Griffin
7.Tim Duncan
8.LaMarcus Aldridge
9.Kevin Garnett
10.Amare Stoudemire

nycericanguy
10-23-2012, 06:06 PM
Am I missing something on LMA?

He's an ATROCIOUS rebounder and scores alot because he takes a TON of shots on a bad team. I mean even Amare who gets so much slack about his rebounding equaled LMA's rpg, except Amare played a full 4mpg less!

Bravo95
10-23-2012, 06:30 PM
Those people are idiots.
A lot of Knicks fans would gladly take that deal also.

franey25
10-23-2012, 06:50 PM
next year replace Duncan wit Bargnani

xcrisisx
10-23-2012, 09:25 PM
kg still destroys bosh so this list is biased

Cracka2HI!
10-23-2012, 10:50 PM
It's funny how ppl kill amare for his D but griffin is the worst on D!!! and he flops so with the new rules I bet his D gets even worse. Yet he's rated higher than amare when career stats are pretty even...
This is completely wrong. The new rules will benefit him more than any player in the league. No one is hacked and flopped on more than Blake. You guys are kidding yourselves if you think Blake won't get "even more" calls this year. The Clipps are a cash cow for the league. The refs protect the leagues best. The Clippers are at that level now. Sorry haters but the refs were anti-Blake last year. If you thought they gave him everything last year prepare to very very upset at the way they call game for him this year.

BHF
10-23-2012, 11:15 PM
He is not better than players on that list.

you don't think he is better than Amare at this point?

Bruno
10-23-2012, 11:41 PM
1. Love
2. Dirk
3. Aldridge
4/5. Bosh/Pau
6. Blake
7. Millsap
8. Smith
9. Randolph
10. Amare

If you include KG and Duncan
1. Love
2. Dirk
3. Aldridge
4/5. Bosh/Pau
6. Blake
7. KG
8. Duncan
9. Millsap
10. Smith
11. Randolph
12. Amare

Clippersfan86
10-24-2012, 01:16 AM
Blake Griffin has become so over rated, that people under rate him...what kind of 22 year old averages 20 points and 11 rebounds on 55% shooting, and is considered over rated? Only Blake Griffin. Even if age werent an issue, I take Blake over every PF in the league not named Kevin Love.

So true. What's more his his defense, shot and post game look so much better already this preseason. People ranking him lower than 3-4 are on something good. NBA media picked him for the All NBA 2nd team yet somehow he's the 6th or 9th best PF? ROFL.

Clippersfan86
10-24-2012, 01:17 AM
Man if Blake could just stop dominating inside and start taking/making more 15 foot fadeaways, maybe then people would give him some respect.

So true :clap:. Stop leading the league in points in the paint, being a fantastic rebounder and passer at your position... instead we want you to shoot 18 footers all game and get 8-10 rebounds a game like Gasol and Aldridge and we will rank you number 3 PF!

Patman
10-24-2012, 05:02 AM
So true :clap:. Stop leading the league in points in the paint, being a fantastic rebounder and passer at your position... instead we want you to shoot 18 footers all game and get 8-10 rebounds a game like Gasol and Aldridge and we will rank you number 3 PF!


Maybe it has more to do with the fact that he has neither a Post game nor a Midrange shot. His defense is suspect at best. He's young and has all the potential in the world, but he needs to improve his game a bit. Gasol is actually a very good Post Player if the Lakers let him.....

xcrisisx
10-24-2012, 06:43 AM
It's funny how ppl kill amare for his D but griffin is the worst on D!!! and he flops so with the new rules I bet his D gets even worse. Yet he's rated higher than amare when career stats are pretty even... blake has time to learn D, amar'e will never improve

thenaj17
10-24-2012, 07:13 AM
Griffin way too high, Gasol way too low. In fact, they need to be switched and I can live with the list.

This + LMA is too low.

JayW_1023
10-24-2012, 11:52 AM
Blake Griffin has become so over rated, that people under rate him...what kind of 22 year old averages 20 points and 11 rebounds on 55% shooting, and is considered over rated? Only Blake Griffin. Even if age werent an issue, I take Blake over every PF in the league not named Kevin Love.

Well said. His dunking is what hurts him...people keep thinking of him as a one dimensional leaper. He is already better than Amar'e ever was. A better rebounder, better passer, a smarter player.

He has added some post moves this season too,

JordansBulls
10-24-2012, 01:34 PM
Aren't Duncan, KG, and now Bosh all centers?

1.Love
2.Dirk
3.LeMarcus Aldridge
4.Pau Gasol
5.Griffin
6.Josh Smith
7.Ibaka
8.Amare Stoudemire
9.Zach Randolph
10.David Lee

Doesn't matter much anymore because the only true centers are Dwight and Bynum. Other than them anybody who plays PF can be considered a center.

Chronz
10-24-2012, 01:50 PM
1. Love
2. Dirk
3. Aldridge
4/5. Bosh/Pau
6. Blake
7. Millsap
8. Smith
9. Randolph
10. Amare

If you include KG and Duncan
1. Love
2. Dirk
3. Aldridge
4/5. Bosh/Pau
6. Blake
7. KG
8. Duncan
9. Millsap
10. Smith
11. Randolph
12. Amare

Why is LMA ahead of Bosh ?

Chronz
10-24-2012, 01:52 PM
I can not see an argument for Griffin above LMA dude. I have LMA 4th.

Love
Dirk
Gasol
LMA

LOL you cant see an argument for the more productive and more heralded player who has already led his team to more success in half the time?

Where is Bosh on your list?

I dont understand how people who have LMA ahead of Blake dont also have Bosh ahead of both. Lots of inconsistency in this logic

SteBO
10-24-2012, 02:09 PM
I don't understand. What in the world has LMA done to be better than Bosh?

Chronz
10-24-2012, 02:10 PM
I don't understand. What in the world has LMA done to be better than Bosh?

Shrink in the playoffs and put up inferior stats as the primary option.

mngopher35
10-24-2012, 02:42 PM
I think what happened to bosh is that many people only look at the stats for the most recent year. So basically Bosh's rebounds went down probably from playing with lebron at sf. Then on top of that he gets less touches because hes the 3rd option. This is probably why people have him ranked low and lma higher, people forget that 2 years ago in a similar situation to lma bosh had 24 ppg and 11rpg on great efficiency. These players are all pretty close and tend to bring different attributes (bosh spread floor, pau great post game etc) so it isnt surprising so many people have different opinions.

HowFit
10-24-2012, 02:43 PM
I would take Josh Smith and Aldridge over Amare

That's for darn sure!

Nomar
10-24-2012, 02:44 PM
LMA and Gasol too low, Griffin too high.

SteBO
10-24-2012, 02:46 PM
I think what happened to bosh is that many people only look at the stats for the most recent year. So basically Bosh's rebounds went down probably from playing with lebron at sf. Then on top of that he gets less touches because hes the 3rd option. This is probably why people have him ranked low and lma higher, people forget that 2 years ago in a similar situation to lma bosh had 24 ppg and 11rpg on great efficiency. These players are all pretty close and tend to bring different attributes (bosh spread floor, pau great post game etc) so it isnt surprising so many people have different opinions.
I don't disagree with anything here. But what makes Bosh superior to LMA in my eyes, is his defense. Seriously, coming into his first year with the Heat I honestly didn't expect him to make much of an impact on the defensive end of the floor. But boy, did he prove me wrong, especially in the Finals this past year.

I have yet to see LMA or even Pau for that matter make that type of impact. Pau and Bosh are interchangable to me, but the reason I might give Pau an edge there is because of his well-rounded offensive game (passing, low post scoring, mid-range, and offensive rebounding in spots).

abe_froman
10-24-2012, 02:48 PM
I don't understand. What in the world has LMA done to be better than Bosh?

ranking are greatly influenced by role on the team they're on,also lma jumped him in many offensive stats(ppg obviously,per,ts,ect.).its a judgement call,there's arguments for either being better than the other but its not an outrageous thing.2-6 could really go in any order and not really be bad/wrong(though people will make it out to be[see the reaction blake griffin is getting])

SteBO
10-24-2012, 02:53 PM
ranking are greatly influenced by role on the team they're on,also lma jumped him in many offensive stats(ppg obviously,per,ts,ect.).its a judgement call,there's arguments for either being better than the other but its not an outrageous thing.2-6 could really go in any order and not really be bad/wrong(though people will make it out to be[see the reaction blake griffin is getting])
My thing is, shot attempts need to be taken into account. That of course is linked to your role on the team, you're correct, but LMA hasn't taken the necessary steps defensively to be considered a better all around PF than Bosh, who showed just how important he truly is to the Heat on both ends in last years' playoffs.

Until I see that LMA is capable of leading his team to the playoffs while enhancing his level of play on both ends for the duration, I can't consider a better player than Bosh.

abe_froman
10-24-2012, 02:59 PM
My thing is, shot attempts need to be taken into account. That of course is linked to your role on the team, you're correct, but LMA hasn't taken the necessary steps defensively to be considered a better all around PF than Bosh, who showed just how important he truly is to the Heat on both ends in last years' playoffs.

Until I see that LMA is capable of leading his team to the playoffs while enhancing his level of play on both ends for the duration, I can't consider a better player than Bosh.

again such things are dependent on what team your on(coaching,role,ect.)because until last playoffs the same was said of bosh(who was then ranked about where lma is currently lol),so defense isnt always a big issue with people,coming into play only when they already have formed a like/hate opinion of them for something else

SteBO
10-24-2012, 03:03 PM
again such things are dependent on what team your on(coaching,role,ect.)because until last playoffs the same was said of bosh(who was then ranked about where lma is currently lol),so defense isnt always a big issue with people,coming into play only when they already have formed a like/hate opinion of them for something else
I agree with you for the most part here. Defense though, is part of the game, and is an enormous factor when it comes to winning. I can't speak for anyone else really, but I want my scoring PF to at least be competent on the defensive end of the floor. That's why I'm not a Blake Griffin fan either.

abe_froman
10-24-2012, 03:21 PM
I agree with you for the most part here. Defense though, is part of the game, and is an enormous factor when it comes to winning. I can't speak for anyone else really, but I want my scoring PF to at least be competent on the defensive end of the floor. That's why I'm not a Blake Griffin fan either.
but thats the thing,so few top pf's(hell pf's as a whole)actually are good defensively,defensively pf's are largely crap and its been that way for about 10 years now.that so few would actually make the list if it was looked at and valued that high.so with defense isnt as important/in demand for pf(unlike center,which defense is at a premium above all other skills)offense is the key overriding skill(if i can use a baseball reference it's akin to corner outfielder)....on griffin,while not a great defender for the ,no bosh ,he actually is still above average for the position so its not like its as bad as it's made out to be)

mngopher35
10-24-2012, 03:40 PM
I don't disagree with anything here. But what makes Bosh superior to LMA in my eyes, is his defense. Seriously, coming into his first year with the Heat I honestly didn't expect him to make much of an impact on the defensive end of the floor. But boy, did he prove me wrong, especially in the Finals this past year.

I have yet to see LMA or even Pau for that matter make that type of impact. Pau and Bosh are interchangable to me, but the reason I might give Pau an edge there is because of his well-rounded offensive game (passing, low post scoring, mid-range, and offensive rebounding in spots).

Agreed 100%, thats why I think bosh is better than LMA as well. I have been very surprised at bosh's defense and i really like how he can space the floor out. Pau is a decent defender himself imo, along with having a great low post game. Its hard to rank between bosh and pau for me. My personal rankings of the top 6 right now goes (i think griffen may take a step forward and jump up by the end of the year but for now have him at 5):

Love
Dirk
Bosh
Pau
Griffen
LMA

ChongInc.
10-24-2012, 05:01 PM
bargnani

HouRealCoach
10-24-2012, 05:10 PM
Dirk is too damn high...

Blake Griffin is a legit 20, 10 but LMA? He's a very Brook Lopez-like rebounder so I don't understand how he gets so much love on this forum.

Gasol is where he needs to be because he is very overrated, until he got on the Lakers people didn't give 2 ***** about him

I would put Tim Duncan above Amare, lower Dirk, and the list looks about accurate

JC_
10-24-2012, 06:23 PM
bargnani

I think the list is for mere mortals, not Gods like Bargnani.

Spurred1
10-24-2012, 06:24 PM
Dirk is too damn high...

Blake Griffin is a legit 20, 10 but LMA? He's a very Brook Lopez-like rebounder so I don't understand how he gets so much love on this forum.

Gasol is where he needs to be because he is very overrated, until he got on the Lakers people didn't give 2 ***** about him

I would put Tim Duncan above Amare, lower Dirk, and the list looks about accurate

Gasol was vastly underrated because nobody followed the Grizz-but he's a solid defender,rebounder, and scorer. He's also a good passer for a big. He's one of the main reasons the Lakers beat the Magic in the Finals a few years back. Bynum didn't do anything due to injury or picking up fouls. Gasol and Odom did the lion's share of work on Howard.
Gasol has hit a rough patch the past couple of seasons, but he's not alone in that regard.

JordansBulls
10-26-2012, 12:41 AM
Now with both Love and Dirk out 6 weeks who moves to #1?

Clippersfan86
10-26-2012, 12:50 AM
Griffin's jumper, screen setting, defense and post moves all look fantastic this preseason. I think he can become the BEST PF in the game this year if it sustains.

RonE Coleman
10-26-2012, 02:24 AM
Well said. His dunking is what hurts him...people keep thinking of him as a one dimensional leaper. He is already better than Amar'e ever was. A better rebounder, better passer, a smarter player.

He has added some post moves this season too,

Ahahahah please stop. You do realize Amare is the same guy who used to dominate Duncan in the playoffs when he was with the Suns right? Just because hes not the same player he was doesn't mean you can throw out idiotic statements like that.

Blazers#1Fan
10-26-2012, 03:00 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/top-10-power-forwards-kevin-love-dirk-nowitzki-blake-griffin-100312#tab=photo-title=Kevin+Love%252C+Minnesota+Timberwolves&photo=31357176

10. Tim Duncan
9. Josh Smith
8. Amare Stoudimire
7. Pau Gasol
6. LMA
5. Kevin Garnett
4. Chris Bosh
3. Blake Griffen
2. Dirk
1. Love


Alridge should be tied 1 Dirk 3 griffin 10 amare 9 KG 8

10.Griffin
9.amare
8.KG
7.Duncan
6.Gasol
5.Smoove
4.Bosh
3.Dirk
1T.Aldridge
1T.Love

I'll give you all a reason why LMA is tied 1 look at his stats vs the other top PF and look at there stats

Bravo95
10-26-2012, 12:53 PM
Feels like LMA should be in the 4-6 range.

Bravo95
10-26-2012, 12:53 PM
Gasol is where he needs to be because he is very overrated
Wow.

Jarvo
10-26-2012, 01:14 PM
Griffin so overrated it's crazy !

Jarvo
10-26-2012, 01:16 PM
Griffin's jumper, screen setting, defense and post moves all look fantastic this preseason. I think he can become the BEST PF in the game this year if it sustains.

No. Just no.

Cracka2HI!
10-27-2012, 12:48 AM
^ Actually yes, yes. Watch a game. Love is out hurt and seemingly developing a diva type attitude. Either that or he's not happy being a T'Wolve. Dirk is out and will probably lose a step this year coming off knee surgery at his age. Griffin is already near the top of the list no matter what this forum thinks. The people in front of him on this list are hurt and Blake has really improved. Watch a game.

JordansBulls
10-27-2012, 09:36 AM
I don't understand. What in the world has LMA done to be better than Bosh?

This