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leafswin2011
10-20-2012, 01:05 PM
looking for peoples opinions preferably not BKN fans.Do you think BKN will win 42 or less games?

waveycrockett
10-20-2012, 01:08 PM
45 is realistic imo

DanG
10-20-2012, 01:11 PM
Over. Something like 43-48.

DoMeFavors
10-20-2012, 01:16 PM
52-57

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 01:18 PM
42-46 range.

29$JerZ
10-20-2012, 01:18 PM
41-41 is their probable final record.

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 01:18 PM
52-57

:laugh:

Iron24th
10-20-2012, 01:19 PM
42-40 at best

Tmath
10-20-2012, 01:25 PM
40-42

InRoseWeTrust
10-20-2012, 01:28 PM
Probably just around 40 wins.

gwrighter
10-20-2012, 01:29 PM
40-42

this.

rocket
10-20-2012, 01:30 PM
52-57

I seriously hate u

KB-Pau-DH2012
10-20-2012, 01:31 PM
They'll be what ATL was the last few seasons. I mean c'mon, the East is Weak as hell.


I say the Knicks and Nets both win between 50-52 games this season and crack the East as a 5th & 6th seeds respectively.

netsgiantsyanks
10-20-2012, 01:31 PM
around 45 wins.

waveycrockett
10-20-2012, 01:34 PM
They'll be what ATL was the last few seasons. I mean c'mon, the East is Weak as hell.


I say the Knicks and Nets both win between 50-52 games this season and crack the East as a 5th & 6th seeds respectively.

Cause ATL had Deron Williams:facepalm:

KB-Pau-DH2012
10-20-2012, 01:37 PM
Cause ATL had Deron Williams:facepalm:

In terms of record buddy.


But I can make the counterargument that the duo of JSmoove + Horford > GWall + Lopez.



I'm just saying that the East is weak, and what a lot of people don't understand is that Avery Johnson was able to lead a Mavs team to 67 wins in the 06-07 season in the very tough West, surely he can lead BKN to 50-52 wins now that he has more talent than last yr.

torocan
10-20-2012, 01:44 PM
40-45. Hard to measure with so many players injured right now.

Brooklyn has Talent... but they just don't have enough time to build the chemistry needed to come out strong right out of the gate.

Let's take a hypothetical, and say it takes 2 months to Gel to reasonable level (Christmas). Let's assume that once they've reasonably gelled, they would be a 50/82 win team (60% win rate). Let's say that while they're gelling they're a .500 team on average (weaker out of the gate, progressively stronger as they move forward).

In that time they're playing Playoff contenders a total of 15/31 times.

If they win 55% of the non-playoff contender games (8), and win 45% of the playoff contender games (7), that's a 15/31 record. If they then win 60% of the remaining games (26), that gets them 41.

It's possible they gel faster, but I wouldn't have them gelling any faster 6 weeks. That's 9 affected games.

Chicago, Utah, NY, Phi, Boston, Milw, Charlotte, Cleveland, and the Spurs. Of those, 6 of those teams will be contenders (Love and Rubio will be back of Milwaukee) most likely. Chicago MAY be a contender -- they tend to be strong during the regular season even without Rose.

They might steal an extra game or even three in that 9 game stretch.

This still puts them in the 40-45 game win range.

My assumptions could be way off... but that's how I see it.

KB-Pau-DH2012
10-20-2012, 01:47 PM
^^Whatever may be the case, I've seen some preseason games, and I can tell BKN in that new Barclay's center is going to be fun as hell to watch.

Lindystud36
10-20-2012, 01:54 PM
The Team is Stacked and Talented
Dont Under Estimate the Value of a True Superstar at pointguard and what he can do to make Joe Johnson even better player than he was in the ATL

The Team is also deep; which is a positive for the regular season
(Andre Blache CBPOY)

Im_in_Mia_bish
10-20-2012, 02:05 PM
42-48

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 02:05 PM
They'll be what ATL was the last few seasons. I mean c'mon, the East is Weak as hell.


I say the Knicks and Nets both win between 50-52 games this season and crack the East as a 5th & 6th seeds respectively.

Um Knicks and nets both win that many games and you think they are going to be the 5th and 6th seed :eyebrow: If that happened they would be the 4-5 or maybe even the 2 and 4.

P Harvy
10-20-2012, 02:09 PM
They'll get 42.5

KB-Pau-DH2012
10-20-2012, 02:13 PM
Um Knicks and nets both win that many games and you think they are going to be the 5th and 6th seed :eyebrow: If that happened they would be the 4-5 or maybe even the 2 and 4.

I think this is how it goes:

1) Heat-60 wins
2) Celtics-57 wins
3) Pacers-53 wins
4) Bulls-53 wins
5) Knicks-51 wins
6) Nets-50 wins
7) Sixers-44 wins
6) Cavs-38 wins

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 02:13 PM
I don't understand bk being deep. Let's see the europe guy before we call them deep.

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 02:15 PM
I think this is how it goes:

1) Heat-60 wins
2) Celtics-57 wins
3) Pacers-53 wins
4) Bulls-53 wins
5) Knicks-51 wins
6) Nets-50 wins
7) Sixers-44 wins
6) Cavs-38 wins

I disagree, I don't see the bulls winning that many games and the sixers are better then the Nets IMO. I still say raps make the playoffs unless waiters has a huge rookie season.

P Harvy
10-20-2012, 02:15 PM
Heat got 75-7 this season

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 02:17 PM
Heat got 75-7 this season

Nice joke.

D2theJ
10-20-2012, 02:17 PM
For the people who are saying they'll be .500 or under... cmon. The only way that will happen is if 2 or more of their starters miss major time, theres too much talent there. Otherwise I think around 44-47 wins sounds about right for their first year together in a tougher Eastern Conference.

KB-Pau-DH2012
10-20-2012, 02:20 PM
I disagree, I don't see the bulls winning that many games and the sixers are better then the Nets IMO. I still say raps make the playoffs unless waiters has a huge rookie season.

Don't you think that the early knee concerns with Bynum will have somewhat of an effect on this young Sixers team? I mean, they're heavily counting on him to do big things there, I just don't see him meeting those expectations in his first yr as "the man".

I think the Nets have a veteran starting 5 led by a great floor general in DWill while the Sixers are still relatively young and now have a new young leader who has shaky knees. I take the Nets over them right now.

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 02:23 PM
Don't you think that the early knee concerns with Bynum will have somewhat of an effect on this young Sixers team? I mean, they're heavily counting on him to do big things there, I just don't see him meeting those expectations in his first yr as "the man".

I think the Nets have a veteran starting 5 led by a great floor general in DWill while the Sixers are still relatively young and now have a new young leader who has shaky knees. I take the Nets over them right now.

So how long is bynum out for?????? No, the man is an animal. yes he has some lack of focus sometimes but they have a great coach. Jrue and Turner imo will take some steps foward. Some nice shooters in Jrich and Wright. They also brought in Nick young to spark the bench. They will be very good and IMO better then the Nets.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
10-20-2012, 02:23 PM
I'll say 44 and the 7th seed.

BradHolt4CYoung
10-20-2012, 02:26 PM
The 2011-12 Clippers and ATL Hawks went 40-26 in a shortened season. They were on pace for about 50 wins had it been a 82 game season.

Paul/Mo Williams
Foye/Billups
Butler/Ryan Gomes
Griffin/K-Mart/Evans
Jordan/K-Mart/Evans


Teague/Hinrich
Johnson/T Mac
Marvin Williams/Willie Greene
J-Smith/Radmonavic
Zaza Pachullia/Collins/Ivan Johnson

Both of those teams would have WON 50 GAMES LAST YEAR (on pace to). Look at this Nets team and tell me those teams are that much better (if better at all) then this team:

Dwill/Watson/Taylor
Johnson/Brooks
Wallace/Childress
Humphries/Teletovic/Blatche
Lopez/Blatche/Evans

All 3 teams are pretty similar, no? All have their defensive struggles.

The Clippers might be a bit of a stretch, but look at that Hawks team. Both have Joe Johnson at starting SG. Look at the team around Johnson. I think it's pretty clear that the Nets supporting cast is better than the Hawks supporting cast. The only position the Hawks have it better is PF. It really isn't that close.

-also the Hawks went 7-4 in the 11 games that Horford was playing to start the season.

shep33
10-20-2012, 02:34 PM
I say they get 45 wins, so over. I just worry about their defense. Offensively they'll be great.

Kind of the opposite worry I have for the Knicks. New York's defense is going to be awesome, offensively, as always, they'll be some question marks.

Still both New York teams will be good... I'll give the edge to the Knicks though, as long as Felton plays somewhere near the level he did a couple seasons ago.

THE MTL
10-20-2012, 02:36 PM
I think this is how it goes:

1) Heat-60 wins
2) Celtics-57 wins
3) Pacers-53 wins
4) Bulls-53 wins
5) Knicks-51 wins
6) Nets-50 wins
7) Sixers-44 wins
6) Cavs-38 wins

This aint the Western Conference lol. East doesnt have that many 50-win teams. I say East has no more than 4 if even that much. I got Heat, Celtics, Knicks, and Pacers winning 50 games.

$GangGr33n$
10-20-2012, 02:37 PM
43-46

oak2455
10-20-2012, 02:37 PM
I seriously hate u

Hey we agree on this !!!!

leafswin2011
10-20-2012, 02:47 PM
my thinking was that every team in the division should be better so even though BKN will be much better then last year it might not be enough to win like 20 games more then they did last year.Not to mention if Deron or JJ go down they are in big trouble.

DoMeFavors
10-20-2012, 02:52 PM
Lets see best backup C in the league, top backup pg in the league. Any of the starters are capable of putting up 20 a night. We are stacked.

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 02:56 PM
Lets see best backup C in the league, top backup pg in the league. Any of the starters are capable of putting up 20 a night. We are stacked.

:laugh2: Best backup center? Hump and wallace capable 20 put scorers any night? You have two bench pieces that you know are above average, You're europe guy is unproven and blatche is a proven blackhole cancer. Yeah your team is def a 57 win team :rolleyes:

DoMeFavors
10-20-2012, 03:01 PM
:laugh2: Best backup center? Hump and wallace capable 20 put scorers any night? You have two bench pieces that you know are above average, You're europe guy is unproven and blatche is a proven blackhole cancer. Yeah your team is def a 57 win team :rolleyes:

Wallace put up 15 a game last year, he isnt going to avg 20 a game but YES he is capable of putting up 20 a game. Same with Hump.

Blatche was a cancer but he is much different and in shape/.

ee
10-20-2012, 03:02 PM
Bkn fan here... I would say they go around .500 the first half of the season... Would do better in the 2nd half and ends with 45-47 wins....

lamzoka
10-20-2012, 03:03 PM
52-57

im surprise u didn't say 83

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 03:05 PM
Wallace put up 15 a game last year, he isnt going to avg 20 a game but YES he is capable of putting up 20 a game. Same with Hump.

Blatche was a cancer but he is much different and in shape/.

Okay and wallace was terrible last year. Any NBA player is Capable of putting 20 in on any night if they get the shots. Yeah sure Blatche even in shape isn't the best backup center int he game

lamzoka
10-20-2012, 03:07 PM
42-48
thats a total of 90 games lol, there is only 82 games in a season. stupid things like this is only reserve for DoMeFavors

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 03:08 PM
thats a total of 90 games lol, there is only 82 games in a season. stupid things like this is only reserve for DoMeFavors

He is saying 42-48 wins is what he can see for the team :pity:

$GangGr33n$
10-20-2012, 03:09 PM
thats a total of 90 games lol, there is only 82 games in a season. stupid things like this is only reserve for DoMeFavors

he probably meant wins, just like i did earlier

29$JerZ
10-20-2012, 03:09 PM
Lets see best backup C in the league, top backup pg in the league. Any of the starters are capable of putting up 20 a night. We are stacked.

Nice of you to point out the Knicks team being stacked.
You are learning. Disagree with Chandler and Felton scoring 20 though.

lamzoka
10-20-2012, 03:10 PM
He is saying 42-48 wins is what he can see for the team :pity:

OOh i see lol :facepalm:

DoMeFavors
10-20-2012, 03:16 PM
Okay and wallace was terrible last year. Any NBA player is Capable of putting 20 in on any night if they get the shots. Yeah sure Blatche even in shape isn't the best backup center int he game

Jason Collins,Brendan Haywood, Keith Bogans, Joel Anthony are?

DoMeFavors
10-20-2012, 03:17 PM
Nice of you to point out the Knicks team being stacked.
You are learning. Disagree with Chandler and Felton scoring 20 though.

I said we, im not a Knick fan.

Tha Truth
10-20-2012, 03:20 PM
I don't see them winning 50

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 03:20 PM
Jason Collins,Brendan Haywood, Keith Bogans, Joel Anthony are?

Bogans is a center???? No how about Camby, favors(ifyou consider him a center) Joel anthony is better then Blatche as well.

DoMeFavors
10-20-2012, 03:23 PM
Bogans is a center???? No how about Camby, favors(ifyou consider him a center) Joel anthony is better then Blatche as well.

I am talking about on ANY given night, meaning EVERY night the starting 5 any of them can get 20 points. Unlike the people I named who cant score 20 on ANY given night.

Cal827
10-20-2012, 03:36 PM
A couple things:

1. Joel Anthony is an All-star Candidate. Nobody say differently.
2. I think the Nets win between 48-52 games. I do think that at least 10 of their losses will come from the Atlantic Division though, as it appears tough as hell lol. I see the whole division within like 7 games of each other, with Boston winning it.
3. DoMeFavors is the GOAT Net Poster. Always making the threads go pages over pages lol
4. Brook Lopez is the Best Venter of All Time.

PurpleJesus
10-20-2012, 03:38 PM
I am talking about on ANY given night, meaning EVERY night the starting 5 any of them can get 20 points. Unlike the people I named who cant score 20 on ANY given night.

Humphries only had 10 games over 20 points last season...and he averaged 35 minutes per game. If he could go for 20 on any given night,I would think he would have more than 10 twenty point games with how many minutes he gets.

DoMeFavors
10-20-2012, 03:41 PM
Humphries only had 10 games over 20 points last season...and he averaged 35 minutes per game. If he could go for 20 on any given night,I would think he would have more than 10 twenty point games with how many minutes he gets.

10 out of 62 games

PurpleJesus
10-20-2012, 03:44 PM
10 out of 62 games

whats your point?

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 03:46 PM
Any given night, if given the shots anybody can score 20. not efficently but eveyr NBA player can score 20 if they get as many shots as they want.

DoMeFavors
10-20-2012, 03:46 PM
whats your point?

meaning 1/6 games he scored 20 a game. That what I mean by he is capable every night of doing that.

Hawkeye15
10-20-2012, 03:48 PM
I think around 45-46 wins sounds right. Their offense should be pretty good, defense pretty bad. In the east, that means just above .500.

DoMeFavors
10-20-2012, 03:53 PM
I think around 45-46 wins sounds right. Their offense should be pretty good, defense pretty bad. In the east, that means just above .500.

You are acting like defense means everything. Defense is overated in the NBA.

Bravo95
10-20-2012, 03:57 PM
Teague/Hinrich
Johnson/T Mac
Marvin Williams/Willie Greene
J-Smith/Radmonavic
Zaza Pachullia/Collins/Ivan Johnson

Both of those teams would have WON 50 GAMES LAST YEAR (on pace to). Look at this Nets team and tell me those teams are that much better (if better at all) then this team:

...

All 3 teams are pretty similar, no? All have their defensive struggles.

The Clippers might be a bit of a stretch, but look at that Hawks team. Both have Joe Johnson at starting SG. Look at the team around Johnson. I think it's pretty clear that the Nets supporting cast is better than the Hawks supporting cast. The only position the Hawks have it better is PF. It really isn't that close.

-also the Hawks went 7-4 in the 11 games that Horford was playing to start the season.
Nope. The Hawks were one of the best defensive teams in the league last year. Nothing like the others.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012.html#opponent::22

6th fewest PPG allowed, 6th in Defensive Rating, and 10th in Opponents 3PT%. That's why they've been winning.

Guppyfighter
10-20-2012, 03:57 PM
I will wait for the line to move up and take the under.

Hawkeye15
10-20-2012, 03:59 PM
You are acting like defense means everything. Defense is overated in the NBA.

Sure, if you are as great as the Nash led Suns were offensively, which Brooklyn will not be. Otherwise, you need balance bud. And even those teams were average defensively. You don't win 50+ games with a bottom 10 defense in the NBA.

45-46 wins or so is where I think they will land, unless injuries start creeping in. But that can be said of any teams predicted win total.

Cal827
10-20-2012, 04:00 PM
You are acting like defense means everything. Defense is overated in the NBA.

Somewhat true, but not for the Elite teams in the NBA. Miami beat OKC due to shutting down Harden and Westbrook lol

Evolution23
10-20-2012, 04:00 PM
Cause ATL had Deron Williams:facepalm:

No but they had Al Horford and Josh Smith both of who can play defense and rebound the ball, which made Joe's life a lot easier.

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 04:02 PM
Lol go look at the last 10 championship teams and tell me when you find a non top 10 defensive team win it? minus maybe the mavs, who I believe were 10-12 range.

DoMeFavors
10-20-2012, 04:02 PM
Like Mark Jackson says "Ill take great offense over great defense everytime."

Cal827
10-20-2012, 04:03 PM
^ ok

DoMeFavors
10-20-2012, 04:03 PM
Lol go look at the last 10 championship teams and tell me when you find a non top 10 defensive team win it? minus maybe the mavs, who I believe were 10-12 range.

The suns that got screwed by the refs I forget what year would have won the championship.

Hawkeye15
10-20-2012, 04:03 PM
Somewhat true, but not for the Elite teams in the NBA. Miami beat OKC due to shutting down Harden and Westbrook lol

The problem is, if you are a bad defense, which Brooklyn was last year, and may very well be again this year, it limits how many wins you get. Hell, its better to suck on offense and be elite defensively. See last year's Celtics.

Sadds The Gr8
10-20-2012, 04:03 PM
44-47 wins, so over

Guppyfighter
10-20-2012, 04:04 PM
Like Mark Jackson says "Ill take great offense over great defense everytime."

Quote mine - He runs 90 percent defensive drills in practice and formations.

He is saying great offense is harder to teach than great defense. That's why superstars usually are great offensively first and than learn elite defense.

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 04:04 PM
The suns that got screwed by the refs I forget what year would have won the championship.

Okay 1st you don't know that and yet they still didn't so your point is irrelevent. Go ahead find me that team. Defense>Offense.

Hawkeye15
10-20-2012, 04:05 PM
Like Mark Jackson says "Ill take great offense over great defense everytime."

Can find you countless quotes stating the other way around.

Balance. If you suck at one, you better be amazing at the other, and even then, a balanced team will take you out eventually.

2-ONE-5
10-20-2012, 04:06 PM
45 wins max. The nets really arent that good. My Sixers without Bynum scored 100+ on them both times in the preseason, their D is atrocious.

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 04:07 PM
45 wins max. The nets really arent that good. My Sixers without Bynum scored 100+ on them both times in the preseason, their D is atrocious.

I can see them 42-47 range, I agree there defense is terrible but its Preseason so you can't judge them on that.

ee
10-20-2012, 04:07 PM
50+ wins next season.... Nets will struggle the first half of this season, it should be expected....

DoMeFavors
10-20-2012, 04:13 PM
Nets will be even better next year when they sign AK47 with the MLE, he signed a opt out after the first year for a reason.

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 04:14 PM
:laugh:

Bravo95
10-20-2012, 04:15 PM
No but they had Al Horford and Josh Smith both of who can play defense and rebound the ball, which made Joe's life a lot easier.
Yep, and most of the reserves have bought in on defense in recent years.

D2theJ
10-20-2012, 04:15 PM
45 wins max. The nets really arent that good. My Sixers without Bynum scored 100+ on them both times in the preseason, their D is atrocious.

Nets also beat the Celtics with just their bench... can't read too much into pre season.

NYYCowboys
10-20-2012, 04:23 PM
Like Mark Jackson says "Ill take great offense over great defense everytime."

Hate to bash a St. John's alum, but didn't Mark Jackson's team go 20 games under .500 last year? Yup. That's like quoting Isaiah Thomas on how to build a good team.

PacersForLife
10-20-2012, 04:26 PM
I predict them getting 44 wins.

Ebbs
10-20-2012, 04:35 PM
I could see 44/45

2-ONE-5
10-20-2012, 04:46 PM
I can see them 42-47 range, I agree there defense is terrible but its Preseason so you can't judge them on that.


def not fully judgin them on preseason but they played their rotation and just werent any good. I dont see anyway they win 50 games.

JOhnnyTHaJet
10-20-2012, 05:01 PM
Nets also beat the Celtics with just their bench... can't read too much into pre season.

This. That's a silly argument.

D-Leethal
10-20-2012, 05:04 PM
46-48 wins. Their D leaves a lot to be desired but I think they will beat up on bad teams and struggle against the .500 teams, but win enough to get the 5-6 seed.

Guppyfighter
10-20-2012, 05:05 PM
07-08, the team with the fourth offensive efficiency and 20th defensive efficiency finished 9th in the west.

Warriors.

Bruno
10-20-2012, 05:07 PM
between 48-34 & 52-30

jmoney85
10-20-2012, 05:07 PM
def not fully judgin them on preseason but they played their rotation and just werent any good. I dont see anyway they win 50 games.

they have 5 guys that have never played with each other.... and a complete 2nd unit that have never played with each... give them time

John Walls Era
10-20-2012, 05:08 PM
I think they get at least 48.

2-ONE-5
10-20-2012, 05:13 PM
they have 5 guys that have never played with each other.... and a complete 2nd unit that have never played with each... give them time

they're not the only team with new players and a new bench. Chemistry is not an excuse this year, there was a fully training camp and preseason with no injuries.

jmoney85
10-20-2012, 05:17 PM
they're not the only team with new players and a new bench. Chemistry is not an excuse this year, there was a fully training camp and preseason with no injuries.

you just judged their defense in the 1st preseason game lol.... you expect a new team to be firing on all cylinders in the 1st preseason game???... go back in your hole troll

jmoney85
10-20-2012, 05:21 PM
they're not the only team with new players and a new bench. Chemistry is not an excuse this year, there was a fully training camp and preseason with no injuries.

and you also forgot to mention you scored 100 on the nets in the 1st preseason game in OT

hugepatsfan
10-20-2012, 05:30 PM
push

knicks=love
10-20-2012, 05:46 PM
they won't win any games..

2-ONE-5
10-20-2012, 05:58 PM
you just judged their defense in the 1st preseason game lol.... you expect a new team to be firing on all cylinders in the 1st preseason game???... go back in your hole troll

i said i wasnt judgin them fully off preseason. with the exception of Wallace none of these Nets players are known as good defenders. No where did I say they should be firing on all cylinders either.

jmoney85
10-20-2012, 06:04 PM
i said i wasnt judgin them fully off preseason. with the exception of Wallace none of these Nets players are known as good defenders. No where did I say they should be firing on all cylinders either.


this is where you judged them off preseason


45 wins max. The nets really arent that good. My Sixers without Bynum scored 100+ on them both times in the preseason, their D is atrocious.


and this is where you said they should be firing on all cylinders


they're not the only team with new players and a new bench. Chemistry is not an excuse this year, there was a fully training camp and preseason with no injuries.

zB_#85
10-20-2012, 06:07 PM
Cause ATL had Deron Williams:facepalm:

No but the Nets did...and they sucked balls so clearly just having Deron isn't a strong argument that they're gonna win a ton of games. All overrated backcourt resides in Bkn

BradHolt4CYoung
10-20-2012, 06:16 PM
Once again, Hawks won 50 games last year (if it was 82 game season) with a team of Teague-Marvin Williams-Josh Smith- Zaza Pachullia around Joe Johnson.

People think the Nets barely win 40 games with Deron Williams-Gerald Wallace- Kris Humphries- Brook Lopez around JJ?

Doesn't make any sense. Nets second unit is also much better then last year's Hawks bench.

Bravo95
10-20-2012, 06:22 PM
Once again, Hawks won 50 games last year (if it was 82 game season) with a team of Teague-Marvin Williams-Josh Smith- Zaza Pachullia around Joe Johnson.

People think the Nets barely win 40 games with Deron Williams-Gerald Wallace- Kris Humphries- Brook Lopez around JJ?

Doesn't make any sense. Nets second unit is also much better then last year's Hawks bench.
And once again, the Hawks were 6th in the league in fewest PPG allowed last season and 6th in defensive rating. They were one of the best defensive teams in the NBA. Makes no sense to compare them to the Clippers or Nets.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012.html#opponent::22

2-ONE-5
10-20-2012, 06:39 PM
this is where you judged them off preseason




and this is where you said they should be firing on all cylinders

please tell me where it says "they should be firing on all cylinders? guess u cant read. like i said chemistry isnt an excuse for ANYONE this season. Sixers are full of new players too you dont hear me using that as an excuse.

BradHolt4CYoung
10-20-2012, 06:47 PM
And once again, the Hawks were 6th in the league in fewest PPG allowed last season and 6th in defensive rating. They were one of the best defensive teams in the NBA. Makes no sense to compare them to the Clippers or Nets.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012.html#opponent::22

Ok so the Nets will be better offensively then that Hawks team albeit not as good defensively.

The Nets roster is still better then last years Hawks team.

jmoney85
10-20-2012, 06:47 PM
please tell me where it says "they should be firing on all cylinders? guess u cant read. like i said chemistry isnt an excuse for ANYONE this season. Sixers are full of new players too you dont hear me using that as an excuse.

I can read but you obviously dont even know what your typing lol

you just said the nets suck because they arent playing good defense in the preseason ... that is saying they should be firing on all cylinders

JOhnnyTHaJet
10-20-2012, 06:50 PM
No but the Nets did...and they sucked balls so clearly just having Deron isn't a strong argument that they're gonna win a ton of games. All overrated backcourt resides in Bkn

What kind of argument is that? Did you see the Nets roster last year??!

RLundi
10-20-2012, 07:07 PM
I say a solid 45 wins.

Bravo95
10-20-2012, 07:07 PM
Ok so the Nets will be better offensively then that Hawks team
Not a guarantee, but you're entitled to that belief since it's your team.

albeit not as good defensively.
That's putting it lightly, because many have said they don't see anything suggesting BKN will be a top defensive unit.

The Nets roster is still better then last years Hawks team.
Based on name value and media hype? Possibly. My point is the Hawks won all those games because they had an identity as a defensive team. You're probably better off comparing BKN with the Clippers since they were offense-first.

7 of last season's 8 Eastern Conference playoff teams finished in the Top 10 overall in fewest PPG allowed, and the Knicks were 11th in that category, so we'll find out if team defense is as irrelevant as some of you say.

2-ONE-5
10-20-2012, 07:09 PM
I can read but you obviously dont even know what your typing lol

you just said the nets suck because they arent playing good defense in the preseason ... that is saying they should be firing on all cylinders

no, no its not. how can I judge their defense so far? I can use last year which their D was a joke and can take something from the preseason where its still a joke. Last night they played their starters, had their rotation its not like they just messed around on the court

knicks=love
10-20-2012, 07:17 PM
Once again, Hawks won 50 games last year (if it was 82 game season) with a team of Teague-Marvin Williams-Josh Smith- Zaza Pachullia around Joe Johnson.

People think the Nets barely win 40 games with Deron Williams-Gerald Wallace- Kris Humphries- Brook Lopez around JJ?

Doesn't make any sense. Nets second unit is also much better then last year's Hawks bench.

but it wasn't an 82 game season, so this statement is pointless.

Ill21
10-20-2012, 07:17 PM
44 wins

RLundi
10-20-2012, 07:18 PM
^
Someone ban this **** already please.

EDIT: Celticsfan888 I mean.

Lake_Show2416
10-20-2012, 07:19 PM
over, i think this team will finish 3rd in the east

BradHolt4CYoung
10-20-2012, 07:28 PM
but it wasn't an 82 game season, so this statement is pointless.

How is it pointless :confused:

They had a .606 winning %.

Even if you dont want to admit that they were on pace to win 50 games (dont understand why) they still went 40-26....that's pretty good.

knicks=love
10-20-2012, 07:31 PM
How is it pointless :confused:

They had a .606 winning %.

Even if you dont want to admit that they were on pace to win 50 games (dont understand why) they still went 40-26....that's pretty good.

i'm not saying 40-26 isn't good. but they didn't play an 82 game season, and as sure as that may seem that they could've won 50 games, it's not a sure thing.

they didn't play 82 games so saying "they would've won 50 games" is pointless to say since you don't know that for sure.

jmoney85
10-20-2012, 07:33 PM
no, no its not. how can I judge their defense so far? I can use last year which their D was a joke and can take something from the preseason where its still a joke. Last night they played their starters, had their rotation its not like they just messed around on the court

LMAO.... you literally just judged their defense from the 2 philly games :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

BradHolt4CYoung
10-20-2012, 07:45 PM
i'm not saying 40-26 isn't good. but they didn't play an 82 game season, and as sure as that may seem that they could've won 50 games, it's not a sure thing.

they didn't play 82 games so saying "they would've won 50 games" is pointless to say since you don't know that for sure.

I dont know that for sure, but that's what they were on pace for...it's called an educated guess.

66 games passed and they were able to win 40 games. I think that's a big enough sample size to say they would continue the pace.

I dont see what you are arguing, or it's significance. They went 40-26 which isn't any more or less impressive then going 50-32.

Mr_Jones
10-20-2012, 07:46 PM
I seriously hate u

lol

2-ONE-5
10-20-2012, 07:46 PM
LMAO.... you literally just judged their defense from the 2 philly games :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

no I used them as an example. couldnt even stop us without 2 starters out there last night. the nets stink just accept it

LoveMeOrHateMe
10-20-2012, 07:51 PM
53-57 wins for the nets

knicks=love
10-20-2012, 07:56 PM
I dont know that for sure, but that's what they were on pace for...it's called an educated guess.

66 games passed and they were able to win 40 games. I think that's a big enough sample size to say they would continue the pace.

I dont see what you are arguing, or it's significance. They went 40-26 which isn't any more or less impressive then going 50-32.

my argument is that you said they would've won 50 games IF they played 82 games. that's a big "if" and it's something that you don't know and can't necessary say would've definitely happened.

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 07:58 PM
:laugh: NBA fan way to start off your posts.

knicks=love
10-20-2012, 08:00 PM
it was a dupe

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 08:16 PM
:laugh:

pebloemer
10-20-2012, 08:20 PM
Definitely over IMO. I have them at around 46-50 ish.

jmoney85
10-20-2012, 08:23 PM
no I used them as an example. couldnt even stop us without 2 starters out there last night. the nets stink just accept it

you love preseason

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 08:24 PM
Nets, don't suck, there chemstry and defense are a bit concerning same with there bench but they are very talented. They can make some noise. but I don't believe they will, 42-47 range which isn't bad.

theducksmuggler
10-20-2012, 08:28 PM
i say under and i think they will be 4th in the atlantic...

leafswin2011
10-20-2012, 08:38 PM
i took the under just because if you take th over you only get 1.66 and with the under you get 2.30.funny raptors are at 32.5 but again taking the over you only get 1.66.

Punk
10-20-2012, 08:57 PM
Best Case Scenario: 50-32

Worst Case Scenario: 41-41

Chill_Will_24
10-20-2012, 11:59 PM
They will go as far as Lopez takes them.. NOT Deron or JJ

Dead serious.

If Lopez continues playing the way he has been defensively this team will be nothing but a playoff pretender. If Lopez somehow learns to pass out of doubles, develops better defensively and stops getting blocked by guards, the Nets will do well.

Lopez is a big 7'1 bag of pixie dust that likes to lay it up and throw up floaters instead of going up strong.

I love Lopez but the Nets will not succeed with him as their starting C

seikou8
10-21-2012, 12:01 AM
nets will go as far as andray takes and thats to a chip

DoMeFavors
10-21-2012, 12:04 AM
They will go as far as Lopez takes them.. NOT Deron or JJ

Dead serious.

If Lopez continues playing the way he has been defensively this team will be nothing but a playoff pretender. If Lopez somehow learns to pass out of doubles, develops better defensively and stops getting blocked by guards, the Nets will do well.

Lopez is a big 7'1 bag of pixie dust that likes to lay it up and throw up floaters instead of going up strong.

I love Lopez but the Nets will not succeed with him as their starting C

If Nets lose it isnt Lopez' fault. Its Avery Johnsons fault. Its his responsibility to make sure the defense fits around Lopez. If he cant guard they have to prevent people coming into his paint.

seikou8
10-21-2012, 12:05 AM
yup blame the coach the easy excuse everyone uses:rolleyes::rolleyes

tp13baby
10-21-2012, 12:13 AM
45-37

I Rock Shaqs
10-21-2012, 12:14 AM
47 seems legit.

DoMeFavors
10-21-2012, 12:15 AM
yup blame the coach the easy excuse everyone uses:rolleyes::rolleyes

Isnt it the coachs responsibility? to make plays, make the defensive game plan? The coach is the coach.

jmoney85
10-21-2012, 12:15 AM
They will go as far as Lopez takes them.. NOT Deron or JJ

Dead serious.

If Lopez continues playing the way he has been defensively this team will be nothing but a playoff pretender. If Lopez somehow learns to pass out of doubles, develops better defensively and stops getting blocked by guards, the Nets will do well.

Lopez is a big 7'1 bag of pixie dust that likes to lay it up and throw up floaters instead of going up strong.

I love Lopez but the Nets will not succeed with him as their starting C

and you do realize that humps defense is worse right?

you know the easy thing to do would be to get a defensive minded PF/C that can come in and play both positions and defend...

especially since hump cant do anything but rebound... at least lopez is a dynamic offensive player and can contest shots

DoMeFavors
10-21-2012, 12:18 AM
and you do realize that humps defense is worse right?

you know the easy thing to do would be to get a defensive minded PF/C that can come in and play both positions and defend...

especially since hump cant do anything but rebound... at least lopez is a dynamic offensive player and can contest shots

Hump is quicker and can stay with his man closer, and can block shots. How is his defense worse?

jmoney85
10-21-2012, 12:22 AM
Hump is quicker and can stay with his man closer, and can block shots. How is his defense worse?

you ever see hump flash on a PnR?.... he lets the screener get to the basket free every single time lol

not to mention he has small arms for his size and cant really contest shots as well as he should

DoMeFavors
10-21-2012, 12:24 AM
you ever see hump flash on a PnR?.... he lets the screener get to the basket free every single time lol

not to mention he has small arms for his size and cant really contest shots as well as he should

Well I hate when the PG gets switched with Lopez because he is to slow, it usually ends up with a shot that always swishes in or a dribble blow by.

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 12:24 AM
If Nets lose it isnt Lopez' fault. Its Avery Johnsons fault. Its his responsibility to make sure the defense fits around Lopez. If he cant guard they have to prevent people coming into his paint.

A coach can only teach so much! Lopez does not have the tools be god defensively. He reacts to slow, his is slow and clumsy, and his instincts are horrible.

Sure he could improve defensively with good coaching but the improvement would be marginal. They cannot teach him to be quicker, or more athletic or to become tougher inside.

The Nets constructed this roster to WIN NOW and Lopez is not the C for that. The way they constructed this roster makes Lopez a luxury. His 18pts are nice but we have scorers. Scoring will not be an issue once we get some chemistry.

The problem is that those 18pts Lopez gets are negated by the 25 that he gives up with mistakes, and defensive issues.

What we need is interior defense. This team will win nothing without it.

jmoney85
10-21-2012, 12:26 AM
A coach can only teach so much! Lopez does not have the tools be god defensively. He reacts to slow, his is slow and clumsy, and his instincts are horrible.

Sure he could improve defensively with good coaching but the improvement would be marginal. They cannot teach him to be quicker, or more athletic or to become tougher inside.

The Nets constructed this roster to WIN NOW and Lopez is not the C for that. The way they constructed this roster makes Lopez a luxury. His 18pts are nice but we have scorers. Scoring will not be an issue once we get some chemistry.

The problem is that those 18pts Lopez gets are negated by the 25 that he gives up with mistakes, and defensive issues.

What we need is interior defense. This team will win nothing without it.

you know the thunder made it to the finals with kendrick perkins who looked absolutely horrible on defense the entire postseason?

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 12:28 AM
and you do realize that humps defense is worse right?

you know the easy thing to do would be to get a defensive minded PF/C that can come in and play both positions and defend...

especially since hump cant do anything but rebound... at least lopez is a dynamic offensive player and can contest shots

Dynamic is a strong word. He has some nice (clumsy) post moves, a nice soft touch, a 17ft shot, and a rip through move to draw fouls.

However his deficiencies on defense negate all that. not to mention that he also makes dumb mistakes on offense. Even the announcer said it yesterday; all teams have to do is double Lopez to secure a turnover. Lopez is THAT bad.

Yes i agree Humphries is worse but Lopez actually has value. Especially since he is finally fighting for boards and looks healthy. We could easily trade him for someone that better suits us at C

DoMeFavors
10-21-2012, 12:29 AM
A coach can only teach so much! Lopez does not have the tools be god defensively. He reacts to slow, his is slow and clumsy, and his instincts are horrible.

Sure he could improve defensively with good coaching but the improvement would be marginal. They cannot teach him to be quicker, or more athletic or to become tougher inside.

The Nets constructed this roster to WIN NOW and Lopez is not the C for that. The way they constructed this roster makes Lopez a luxury. His 18pts are nice but we have scorers. Scoring will not be an issue once we get some chemistry.

The problem is that those 18pts Lopez gets are negated by the 25 that he gives up with mistakes, and defensive issues.

What we need is interior defense. This team will win nothing without it.

Lopez could get good defenders that are centers in foul trouble which helps our scorers, when he gets doubled he could pass to open shooters. So in other ways he can help the offense.

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 12:29 AM
Hump is quicker and can stay with his man closer, and can block shots. How is his defense worse?

Humphries is rarely in the right spot defensively and always seems lost. Avery benched him last night. He is so bad. He has the physical tools though. He can be coached.... maybe.

jmoney85
10-21-2012, 12:30 AM
Dynamic is a strong word. He has some nice (clumsy) post moves, a nice soft touch, a 17ft shot, and a rip through move to draw fouls.

However his deficiencies on defense negate all that. not to mention that he also makes dumb mistakes on offense. Even the announcer said it yesterday; all teams have to do is double Lopez to secure a turnover. Lopez is THAT bad.

Yes i agree Humphries is worse but Lopez actually has value. Especially since he is finally fighting for boards and looks healthy. We could easily trade him for someone that better suits us at C

hump has value also... he just averaged a double double for 2 consecutive seasons...

you can package him, marshon brooks, and 1st and get a quality player

you try to trade lopez and wont get fair value unless you land dwight howard or 1 of the really good up and coming centers

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 12:30 AM
you know the thunder made it to the finals with kendrick perkins who looked absolutely horrible on defense the entire postseason?

Perkins is tough and he also has Ibaka there. Lopez is called "Big Disney" and we have Humphries there. Enough said.

DoMeFavors
10-21-2012, 12:31 AM
Perkins is tough and he also has Ibaka there. Lopez is called "Big Disney" and we have Humphries there. Enough said.

This post made me laugh

jmoney85
10-21-2012, 12:33 AM
Perkins is tough and he also has Ibaka there. Lopez is called "Big Disney" and we have Humphries there. Enough said.

lol... you cant trade lopez for another center and expect to get fair value.... the same move would be to keep brook and trade hump... thaddeus young would be perfect for the nets

jmoney85
10-21-2012, 12:34 AM
or maybe see if you can package something for taj gibson

bholly
10-21-2012, 12:34 AM
Over. Maybe 48 my best guess?

seikou8
10-21-2012, 12:35 AM
Perkins is tough and he also has Ibaka there. Lopez is called "Big Disney" and we have Humphries there. Enough said.

:laugh2::laugh2: it is not worse then have amare on defense he is god awfull on defense

DoMeFavors
10-21-2012, 12:35 AM
lol... you cant trade lopez for another center and expect to get fair value.... the same move would be to keep brook and trade hump... thaddeus young would be perfect for the nets

Even though he isnt a good defender I bet Nets could trade Humphries for David Lee, or package a deal for Boozer who Deron worked really well with. Or even LeMarcus Aldridge

Greedy22
10-21-2012, 12:36 AM
you know the thunder made it to the finals with kendrick perkins who looked absolutely horrible on defense the entire postseason?

Lol they also had Serge Ibaka in the paint as well...

Davidgta1
10-21-2012, 12:36 AM
47 maybe 52

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 12:37 AM
Lopez could get good defenders that are centers in foul trouble which helps our scorers, when he gets doubled he could pass to open shooters. So in other ways he can help the offense.

Please. Even an announcer called it that all teams have to do is double Lopez to secure a turnover. He is so bad at passing out of it. And no Lopez does not have the physical tools to be good defensively. Maybe marginally better.

As for getting centers in foul trouble... really? His rip through move will not always be called and smart defenders will not really fall for that stuff and even if he gets the call.. how does that stop wings to driving on us at will against him or fix his defensive problems?

Give me just one way Lopez offense negates his bad D on this roster as currently constructed.

jmoney85
10-21-2012, 12:37 AM
Lol they also had Serge Ibaka in the paint as well...

thats my point.... one player doesnt make the entire defense go

Davidgta1
10-21-2012, 12:37 AM
Even though he isnt a good defender I bet Nets could trade Humphries for David Lee, or package a deal for Boozer who Deron worked really well with. Or even LeMarcus Aldridge

If the nets got Lemarcus Aldridge they would be the best team in the east an would give the thunder a run for there money.

DoMeFavors
10-21-2012, 12:38 AM
Lakers had Shaq and Horry, and also had Gasol and Odom for one series that one it all.

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 12:39 AM
hump has value also... he just averaged a double double for 2 consecutive seasons...

you can package him, marshon brooks, and 1st and get a quality player

you try to trade lopez and wont get fair value unless you land dwight howard or 1 of the really good up and coming centers

:laugh2:

You think fair value for Lopez is Dwight Howard??

Dude i would cry of happiness if Cousins started acting up in SAC and they traded him to us for Lopez and Brooks. I would trade Lopez for Asik and Jones. I would trade him for Noah.

Anyone that could provide better defense.

Dwight Howard :laugh2: You are a trip

Robbw241
10-21-2012, 12:39 AM
Somewhere between 82 and 85.

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 12:41 AM
hump has value also... he just averaged a double double for 2 consecutive seasons...

you can package him, marshon brooks, and 1st and get a quality player

you try to trade lopez and wont get fair value unless you land dwight howard or 1 of the really good up and coming centers

:laugh2:

You think fair value for Lopez is Dwight Howard??

Dude i would cry of happiness if Cousins started acting up in SAC and they traded him to us for Lopez and Brooks. I would trade Lopez for Asik and Jones. I would trade him for Noah.

Anyone that could provide better defense.

Dwight Howard :laugh2: You are a trip

EDIT: BTW Humphries + Brooks gets you nobody of worthy note. ATL is not THAT desperate is that is what you are dreaming and they could get much more than that for Smith

Who did you have in mind? I wish to laugh.

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 12:42 AM
This post made me laugh

Laugh if you wish. I notice you have a tendency to laugh at reality.

jmoney85
10-21-2012, 12:42 AM
:laugh2:

You think fair value for Lopez is Dwight Howard??

Dude i would cry of happiness if Cousins started acting up in SAC and they traded him to us for Lopez and Brooks. I would trade Lopez for Asik and Jones. I would trade him for Noah.

Anyone that could provide better defense.

Dwight Howard :laugh2: You are a trip

I didnt say dwight howard for lopez was a fair trade you idiot



I said the only way you're going to get fair VALUE for brook lopez is if you trade for dwight howard or 1 of the up and coming centers... and why would a team swap centers if they felt the same way you do about lopez?

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 12:44 AM
lol... you cant trade lopez for another center and expect to get fair value.... the same move would be to keep brook and trade hump... thaddeus young would be perfect for the nets

:laugh2: Humphries has no value. Not enough to get you a difference maker.

Trade Lopez for Asik (hypothetically) and this team becomes so much better. Trade Humphries for Young (if they were even willing) and this team does not improve much if at all.

You are a funny guy.

jmoney85
10-21-2012, 12:45 AM
:laugh2:

You think fair value for Lopez is Dwight Howard??

Dude i would cry of happiness if Cousins started acting up in SAC and they traded him to us for Lopez and Brooks. I would trade Lopez for Asik and Jones. I would trade him for Noah.

Anyone that could provide better defense.

Dwight Howard :laugh2: You are a trip

EDIT: BTW Humphries + Brooks gets you nobody of worthy note. ATL is not THAT desperate is that is what you are dreaming and they could get much more than that for Smith

Who did you have in mind? I wish to laugh.

where did I mention anything about ATL?.... are you drunk or something?

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 12:45 AM
or maybe see if you can package something for taj gibson

:laugh: You are so entertaining!!!!!!!!

They want to amnesty Boozer so they can retain Gibson and you think they will trade him for Humphries? lmao

jmoney85
10-21-2012, 12:46 AM
:laugh2: Humphries has no value. Not enough to get you a difference maker.

Trade Lopez for Asik (hypothetically) and this team becomes so much better. Trade Humphries for Young (if they were even willing) and this team does not improve much if at all.

You are a funny guy.


thad young/ brook lopez >>>>>>>>> asik/hump


any day of the ****ing week

jmoney85
10-21-2012, 12:47 AM
:laugh: You are so entertaining!!!!!!!!

They want to amnesty Boozer so they can retain Gibson and you think they will trade him for Humphries? lmao

did I say trade humphries to the bulls for taj gibson?.... where did I say that?... please quote me

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 12:47 AM
:laugh2::laugh2: it is not worse then have amare on defense he is god awfull on defense

Man at least Amare is athletic and quick enogh to change shots when motivated. Lopez lumbers around while Humphries is at the sidelines busy winking at Miley Cyrus.

Our interior defense will be worst in the league. I daresay historically bad.

DoMeFavors
10-21-2012, 12:48 AM
:laugh2: Humphries has no value. Not enough to get you a difference maker.

Trade Lopez for Asik (hypothetically) and this team becomes so much better. Trade Humphries for Young (if they were even willing) and this team does not improve much if at all.

You are a funny guy.

King would never do that, Asik has no post game and cant shoot free throws. If you want to go far like you said you need a guy that can shoot free throws.

Robbw241
10-21-2012, 12:49 AM
You know what would be awesome? If Chill, DMF, and Jmoney lost their account passwords for like... the rest of eternity.

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 12:49 AM
Even though he isnt a good defender I bet Nets could trade Humphries for David Lee, or package a deal for Boozer who Deron worked really well with. Or even LeMarcus Aldridge

lol David Lee!? Thanks but ill stick with Humphries. Boozer :puke: how does that solve anything defensively?

LA :drool: I can only dream. POR could get so much more than that if they are desperate enough to trade him.

jmoney85
10-21-2012, 12:51 AM
You know what would be awesome? If Chill, DMF, and Jmoney lost their account passwords for like... the rest of eternity.

why mine?... I feel that I contribute well to this forum..

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 12:51 AM
If the nets got Lemarcus Aldridge they would be the best team in the east an would give the thunder a run for there money.

Don't encourage him. Aldridge is not getting traded for Humphries and Brooks. Will never happen. How is Aldridge defensively? Anyone know? Have not watched him as much as i would like.

DoMeFavors
10-21-2012, 12:52 AM
lol David Lee!? Thanks but ill stick with Humphries. Boozer :puke: how does that solve anything defensively?

LA :drool: I can only dream. POR could get so much more than that if they are desperate enough to trade him.

Boozer would bring more offense which Nets need, and LA is fed up with losing and might ask out. Lopez,Marshon and Taylor for LA can get it done.

jmoney85
10-21-2012, 12:55 AM
Boozer would bring more offense which Nets need, and LA is fed up with losing and might ask out. Lopez,Marshon and Taylor for LA can get it done.

nets dont need offense lol

seikou8
10-21-2012, 12:55 AM
Man at least Amare is athletic and quick enogh to change shots when motivated. Lopez lumbers around while Humphries is at the sidelines busy winking at Miley Cyrus.

Our interior defense will be worst in the league. I daresay historically bad.

:laugh::laugh: but i thought lopez is top 5 c:confused:

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 12:55 AM
I didnt say dwight howard for lopez was a fair trade you idiot



I said the only way you're going to get fair VALUE for brook lopez is if you trade for dwight howard or 1 of the up and coming centers... and why would a team swap centers if they felt the same way you do about lopez?

I wish i could slap the snot out of you. I hate internet thugs. If you only knew.

Clear sign of being above your head; result to insults.

I believe Lopez will post great stats this year and be in consideration for the all star game. That might be enough to get teams that have not watched him as much as the nets interested. Not to mention that other teams could better utilize his offensive talents.

His scoring is nice. It's just a luxury on this team we do not need. Other teams could value it more. Wasnt HOU interested in Pau Gasol?

DoMeFavors
10-21-2012, 12:56 AM
nets dont need offense lol

The more the better

Losoway
10-21-2012, 12:56 AM
45-52

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 12:58 AM
where did I mention anything about ATL?.... are you drunk or something?

Well that seems to be the idea that Nets fans have been throwing around the most. Who did you have in mind then? Please humor me.

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 12:59 AM
thad young/ brook lopez >>>>>>>>> asik/hump


any day of the ****ing week

Disagree

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 12:59 AM
did I say trade humphries to the bulls for taj gibson?.... where did I say that?... please quote me

Well who would you propose the Nets offer for the guy they are working hard to resign?

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 01:01 AM
King would never do that, Asik has no post game and cant shoot free throws. If you want to go far like you said you need a guy that can shoot free throws.

Oh god. Asik's offense is coming through and free throws can be worked on. Not to mention we do not need him to do what Brook does on offense. Deron would do enough for him offensively.

DoMeFavors
10-21-2012, 01:01 AM
And just because a player is good on defense doesnt put them as a top c. Asik avg like 3 points a game and coulldnt hit free throws.

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 01:02 AM
You know what would be awesome? If Chill, DMF, and Jmoney lost their account passwords for like... the rest of eternity.

You know what would be awesome? If you provided any other reason for grouping me with those guys than you just being butt-hurt cuz i criticize the Nets

Spare me kid.

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 01:04 AM
Boozer would bring more offense which Nets need, and LA is fed up with losing and might ask out. Lopez,Marshon and Taylor for LA can get it done.

Maybe. Just maybe. They do seem to always be in the hunt for a 7fter but how would getting no C back help us? Blatche is no lock to return

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 01:04 AM
:laugh::laugh: but i thought lopez is top 5 c:confused:

Not in my book

seikou8
10-21-2012, 01:06 AM
Not in my book

so where do you see your nets finshing this season

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 01:06 AM
nets dont need offense lol

They do not. Pre-season means nothing. Once they gel, they will get it together. How can they not have offense with Deron, JJ, and Wallace and Blatche, Brooks, Teletovic off the bench?

they will get the offense together. I have no doubt about that.

Rndy
10-21-2012, 01:06 AM
Their post defense is whats going to cost them. I don't see them winning more then 45-46 I do think their permiter defense has great potential Williams, Bogans, Johnson are all good defenders. CJ will be a wild card he's great in the passing lanes but what helped him in Chicago is when he got beat which was majority of the time because he gambles he had Asik and Gibson in the post. He won't have that anymore.

When Watson got put in the starting lineup when Rose went down his defense was down right atrocious because Boozer and Noah couldn't save him.

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 01:07 AM
And just because a player is good on defense doesnt put them as a top c. Asik avg like 3 points a game and coulldnt hit free throws.

not saying Asik is a better player. Saying he fits this team better and would make us a better team. The whole is better than the sum of it's parts.

Chill_Will_24
10-21-2012, 01:09 AM
so where do you see your nets finshing this season

Playoff team for sure. Not sure about record. 4th maybe 3rd seed if they gell fast enough. Second round exit at best

seikou8
10-21-2012, 01:12 AM
Playoff team for sure. Not sure about record. 4th maybe 3rd seed if they gell fast enough. Second round exit at best

this how i see the knicks season too but see the knicks more 4-5

DoMeFavors
10-21-2012, 01:13 AM
I know you all are going to disagree but I wouldnt be suprised if Nets become the new Bulls a team nobody expected to beat Miami for 1 seed. And win like 66 games.

Guppyfighter
10-21-2012, 01:16 AM
Joe Johnson is going to take a team 20 games under 500 and make them win 66 games.

Bravo95
10-21-2012, 01:17 AM
you know the thunder made it to the finals with kendrick perkins who looked absolutely horrible on defense the entire postseason?
That's the West though. The East playoffs is basically a two-month street fight since all the playoff teams play tough defense. When OKC finally met a real East defense in those Finals, they got bodyslammed and one of their best players looked like he didn't even want to be there.

Rndy
10-21-2012, 01:17 AM
I know you all are going to disagree but I wouldnt be suprised if Nets become the new Bulls a team nobody expected to beat Miami for 1 seed. And win like 66 games.

Nothing is impossible but going into those seasons the Bulls knew their defense was going to be good. They had Rose, Bogans, Brewer, and Deng which are all really good perimeter defenders. Then had Noah, Gibson, Asik, and Kurt Thomas all who were known for being good post defenders. They had 5 players who could put up 15+ trb% and 2 guys who could put up 20 trb%. I don't see the Nets having all of that.

Bravo95
10-21-2012, 01:37 AM
Nothing is impossible but going into those seasons the Bulls knew their defense was going to be good. They had Rose, Bogans, Brewer, and Deng which are all really good perimeter defenders. Then had Noah, Gibson, Asik, and Kurt Thomas all who were known for being good post defenders. They had 5 players who could put up 15+ trb% and 2 guys who could put up 20 trb%. I don't see the Nets having all of that.
Yeah, you gotta have a bunch of defensive-minded players to have that identity. For the Hawks: Horford got hurt but Josh Smith probably had the best season of his career defensively. Plus they found Ivan Johnson outta nowhere, he's a good tough post defender, and Pachulia was solid as usual defending in the paint. On the perimeter, they had Teague who is a thief, Hinrich was still a pest, and McGrady was better than I thought he would be guarding out there. I could make the case that Joe Johnson was the Hawks' weakest link defensively last season but even he held his own.

thrice4
10-21-2012, 02:01 AM
52-57

hahahahahahahahahahaha

thrice4
10-21-2012, 02:02 AM
I know you all are going to disagree but I wouldnt be suprised if Nets become the new Bulls a team nobody expected to beat Miami for 1 seed. And win like 66 games.

hahaha even funnier!!!

jmoney85
10-21-2012, 02:07 AM
hahaha even funnier!!!

Congratulations you were just trolled by dmf

albertajaysfan
10-21-2012, 02:15 AM
If Nets lose it isnt Lopez' fault. Its Avery Johnsons fault. Its his responsibility to make sure the defense fits around Lopez. If he cant guard they have to prevent people coming into his paint.

You are hilarious. :clap:

LoveMeOrHateMe
10-21-2012, 02:16 AM
hahahahahahahahahahaha

52-57 wins is actually pretty realistic 60+ probably not

Greedy22
10-21-2012, 02:32 AM
I know you all are going to disagree but I wouldnt be suprised if Nets become the new Bulls a team nobody expected to beat Miami for 1 seed. And win like 66 games.

:laugh: this is sig worthy

Tumstock
10-21-2012, 10:57 AM
I know you all are going to disagree but I wouldnt be suprised if Nets become the new Bulls a team nobody expected to beat Miami for 1 seed. And win like 66 games.

I agree bro! I think they could grab 66-70 wins if Humphries/Lopez stays healthy (best frontcort of all time)