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JordansBulls
10-19-2012, 04:27 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/Top-10-point-guards-Chris-Paul-Derrick-Rose-Deron-Williams-101812#tab=photo-title=Point+of+the+story&photo=31375537


1. CP3
2. Rose
3. Deron
4. Westbrook
5. Parker
6. Rondo
7. Nash
8. Irving
9. Lawson
10. Rubio

P Harvy
10-19-2012, 04:28 PM
Rondo underrated here.

Rockice_8
10-19-2012, 04:29 PM
Looks pretty good to me. I have no complaints.

Rockice_8
10-19-2012, 04:31 PM
Rondo underrated here.

Yeah maybe you can switch Rondo and Parker but I can't put him above any of the others so he's not underrated to bad.

Avenged
10-19-2012, 04:35 PM
I'd have Westbrook at 3.

Parker and Deron interchangeable at 4.

P Harvy
10-19-2012, 04:36 PM
Yeah maybe you can switch Rondo and Parker but I can't put him above any of the others so he's not underrated to bad.

The PG position is just so tough but Rondo at 6 just seems so bad I don't know.

Eagles4Lyfe
10-19-2012, 04:38 PM
haha the guy who said Rondo should be higher than 6th. Wait till celtics fans see your post, they'll give a million reasons as to why he should be lower than 6th.

Avenged
10-19-2012, 04:38 PM
BTW on the stat sheet, Nash's numbers are far better than Rondo's... But being a 37 year old (or old in general basketball wise) always seems to rank players lower.

Before someone compares how far they got, look at the rosters.

xxplayerxx23
10-19-2012, 04:40 PM
Agree with 6-10. Id flip Westy and Rose ( I wanna see if rose is healthy) and deron and parker.

Rockice_8
10-19-2012, 04:40 PM
BTW on the stat sheet, Nash's numbers are far better than Rondo's... But being a 37 year old (or old in general basketball wise) always seems to rank players lower.

Before someone compares how far they got, look at the rosters.

And being a sieve on D.

Jays Claw
10-19-2012, 04:41 PM
So Lawson and Rubio made it over Lowry? Hilarious.

seikou8
10-19-2012, 04:44 PM
my favorite non knick russel westbrook is getting some love

Bravo95
10-19-2012, 04:44 PM
I'd have Westbrook at 3.

Parker and Deron interchangeable at 4
Yeah.

Bravo95
10-19-2012, 04:44 PM
Might move Nash up also.

P Harvy
10-19-2012, 04:47 PM
So Lawson and Rubio made it over Lowry? Hilarious.

Yes because they are both better. That would make sense right?

LoveMeOrHateMe
10-19-2012, 04:48 PM
Nash is better then 7 he should be in the top 5 Parker in the top 5 no...rondo needs to be higher as well

seikou8
10-19-2012, 04:48 PM
kryie will be top 5 soon

BIG worm
10-19-2012, 04:49 PM
ill take that list...lot of damn good pgs out there!!

KnickaBocka.44
10-19-2012, 04:49 PM
So Lawson and Rubio made it over Lowry? Hilarious.

Lawson is absolutely better than Lowry. Rubio, though, is debatable because of Lin-like proof of his abilities

JasonJohnHorn
10-19-2012, 04:49 PM
Pretty good list... I'd like to see Rondo a little higher... the last three guys I can't comment on as I haven't gotten to watch them play much. Irving is great though from what I've seen. Rubio, I've only seen highlights and Lawson, I've neer seen play.

BIG worm
10-19-2012, 04:50 PM
kryie will be top 5 soon

i agree with this as well....dudes a baller. he makes basketball look effortless, such a smooth game.

Piercefan34
10-19-2012, 04:50 PM
this is wrong, but you know im not surprised. i kind of like all this major sports platforms underrating the celtics, give em more fuel to prove em wrong.

Hawkeye15
10-19-2012, 04:51 PM
as a Wolves fan, I am not arguing against anyone who says Rubio shouldn't be there. He was god awful scoring the ball, and finishing. It it weren't for his ability to draw fouls and hit free throws, he would be the worst scorer I have ever seen. His passing and defense remain elite, but until he learns to at least finish around the rim, I can't see him as a top 10 PG in the NBA.

I suppose a case for his on/off court numbers and the way the Wolves fell apart after his injury help his case, but he makes Rondo look like a good shooter early in his career.

P Harvy
10-19-2012, 04:52 PM
as a Wolves fan, I am not arguing against anyone who says Rubio shouldn't be there. He was god awful scoring the ball, and finishing. It it weren't for his ability to draw fouls and hit free throws, he would be the worst scorer I have ever seen. His passing and defense remain elite, but until he learns to at least finish around the rim, I can't see him as a top 10 PG in the NBA.

Although I'd agree with most of what you're saying I think his defense and passing is so elite that that alone makes him borderline top 10.

Killerjug
10-19-2012, 04:55 PM
Nash is better then 7 he should be in the top 5 Parker in the top 5 no...rondo needs to be higher as well

Parker>Rondo

LanceUpperCut
10-19-2012, 04:58 PM
Lowery is easily better than Rubio right now. Him and Lawson could go either way.

Jets012
10-19-2012, 05:00 PM
One of the better lists I have seen in a while actually. I agree with most of their rankings. Ultimately, I believe Rubio probably shouldn't be on this list yet. I feel like Lowry got snubbed, I'd probably have him 9th just a tad over Lawson, but they are pretty much equal in my mind.

One of the most surprising things I saw was Rondo as low as 6th on this list. After hearing so many Celtic homers and blind NBA fans viewing him as the best PG, it was kind of refreshing to see a rankings in which he wasn't top 3 because quite frankly he shouldn't be. In fact if I were to rank the PGs, he would be 7th right behind Nash. Rondo is a gifted passer and can see the court unbelievably, but he arguably is the worst scorer at the point guard position. Guy shoots 55% from FT, that's laughable for a PG. And for the people saying that he is actually getting better each year at shooting couldn't be more wrong. In fact, he is actually getting worse at scoring near the rim and from 12 feet on. Put Rondo on Phoenix without KG, Pierce, and Allen and they do much worst than what they did with Nash on Phoenix.

I agree with Deron at 3, even though most would probably put him 4th. I just think he will go back to his Utah Jazz form and could be primed for a career year. He has never had a terrific scorer at SG or Center and now he is both. I really think he will light it up. I know some will disagree due to how horrible the Nets fan base is on this site, but he should really have a great year and as should the Nets.

I honestly could see Rose falling to 4th by the end of the year. Ultimately, the miss time with the injury will hurt him with Westbrook getting better by the day.

Finally, Paul definitely should be first as he is just far far better than any PG right now and it really isn't close. You could argue that out of any player in the NBA, Paul would be the guy you would want to have the ball with 10 seconds remaining.

BHF
10-19-2012, 05:00 PM
Yes because they are both better. That would make sense right?

no they are not better Lowery D alone make him better than both of them. That would make sense right?

nycericanguy
10-19-2012, 05:02 PM
Although I'd agree with most of what you're saying I think his defense and passing is so elite that that alone makes him borderline top 10.

And his rebounding is very good. And he gets to the FT line a good amount. Despite his low FG% he's not a terribly inefficient player.

#10 for him is fine with me.

Byronicle
10-19-2012, 05:02 PM
no Lowry? really?

dh144498
10-19-2012, 05:02 PM
Westbrook 2, Rondo 3.

ChiSox219
10-19-2012, 05:02 PM
as a Wolves fan, I am not arguing against anyone who says Rubio shouldn't be there. He was god awful scoring the ball, and finishing. It it weren't for his ability to draw fouls and hit free throws, he would be the worst scorer I have ever seen. His passing and defense remain elite, but until he learns to at least finish around the rim, I can't see him as a top 10 PG in the NBA.

I suppose a case for his on/off court numbers and the way the Wolves fell apart after his injury help his case, but he makes Rondo look like a good shooter early in his career.

Scoring is overrated, Rubio is a beast.

tp13baby
10-19-2012, 05:04 PM
So Lawson and Rubio made it over Lowry? Hilarious.

Lawson is a better scorer all around. Lowry faulted at the end of the year. Give it another year to really tell.

Baller1
10-19-2012, 05:05 PM
Ehh.. Westbrook should be top 3, but not too bad.

Hawkeye15
10-19-2012, 05:05 PM
Although I'd agree with most of what you're saying I think his defense and passing is so elite that that alone makes him borderline top 10.

I have a problem with having Rubio over Lowry right now. Look, Rubio become a better scorer, there is nowhere to go but up. I do think Rubio has top 5 PG potential, but he needs to fix his scoring to even below average, versus putrid, to get inside the top 10.

Hawkeye15
10-19-2012, 05:06 PM
Scoring is overrated, Rubio is a beast.

Trust me, I wouldn't trade him for a handful of guys on that list, nor Lowry, who I think is a bit better. But he is a horrific scorer. I am not even asking him to be average at it, just at least be able to keep defenses honest.

I will add, his percentages go up in the 4th quarter, and when he went down, he had more 4th quarter assists and steals than any PG in the league by a lot. So there is some degree of hope when it comes to his scoring.

topdog
10-19-2012, 05:07 PM
So Lawson and Rubio made it over Lowry? Hilarious.

I really wonder if you'd be saying this if Lowry were still on the Rockets :eyebrow:

There is no doubt in my mind that Ty Lawson is better than Lowry right now. He is the engine that drives Denver to the playoffs.

Hellcrooner
10-19-2012, 05:09 PM
Lowry has become overated like ****.

Hawkeye15
10-19-2012, 05:11 PM
Lowry has become overated like ****.

he did have a down year, with injuries, but I usually need to see 2 down years in a row before I start sliding a player south (see Deron Williams).

Rivera
10-19-2012, 05:19 PM
switch rondo n parker n the list is good

Hellcrooner
10-19-2012, 05:20 PM
he did have a down year, with injuries, but I usually need to see 2 down years in a row before I start sliding a player south (see Deron Williams).

the thing is lowry ( until proven otherwise) was a product of the rockets syteam.
He was NOTHING at memphis, and couldnt get to start over conley who is meh as hell.

I have doubts he will be the starters on the raptors past mid season unless jose is traded.

He is by no means someone to consider for a top 10 spot.


Btw this has nothign to do with Ricky, Rubio shouldnt be there yet, because the sample is too small to judge him as an nba plyer.

Lake_Show2416
10-19-2012, 05:22 PM
Move Parker 2 spots down & i'd agree with the list, he's good but isnt Rondo & Nash level, they are more complete

Jays Claw
10-19-2012, 05:31 PM
I really wonder if you'd be saying this if Lowry were still on the Rockets :eyebrow:

There is no doubt in my mind that Ty Lawson is better than Lowry right now. He is the engine that drives Denver to the playoffs.

Uhm... yeah I would be saying this even if he were on the Rockets. Lowry's numbers prior to his leg injury were outstanding and if I were a betting man, I'd bet that he bounces back this year and establishes himself as a top 10 PG.

I honestly think that Lowry and Lawson are interchangeable in terms of rankings, however Lowry is without question > Rubio as we speak. Let's not fool ourselves.

b@llhog24
10-19-2012, 05:33 PM
Kyrie is going to be top 4 this season.

jrm2054
10-19-2012, 05:35 PM
I have rondo 4 the rest good

B'sCeltsPatsSox
10-19-2012, 05:52 PM
Perfect ranking.

theheatles
10-19-2012, 05:55 PM
chalmers is 11 right? :hide:

Hawkeye15
10-19-2012, 05:56 PM
the thing is lowry ( until proven otherwise) was a product of the rockets syteam.
He was NOTHING at memphis, and couldnt get to start over conley who is meh as hell.

I have doubts he will be the starters on the raptors past mid season unless jose is traded.

He is by no means someone to consider for a top 10 spot.


Btw this has nothign to do with Ricky, Rubio shouldnt be there yet, because the sample is too small to judge him as an nba plyer.

the previous year, Lowry had a case for the best on the ball defender in the game. He also rebounds, and gets in the paint. Like I said, if he doesn't return to elite defender/penetrator status, I have zip issue dropping him. A healthy Curry will also make himself known.

RLundi
10-19-2012, 05:57 PM
chalmers is 11 right? :hide:

Um no, he wears number 15. You should know this.

If you're asking where his ranking falls, I'd say somewhere between 28th and Developmental League.

Hellcrooner
10-19-2012, 06:00 PM
chalmers is 11 right? :hide:

Find a way to rescue Jose from toronto...

Hawkeye15
10-19-2012, 06:01 PM
Find a way to rescue Jose from toronto...

while I know nobody like Calderon, and his defense is poor, he can score efficiently, and never gives away possessions. Clearly underrated at this point in his career.

Hellcrooner
10-19-2012, 06:05 PM
while I know nobody like Calderon, and his defense is poor, he can score efficiently, and never gives away possessions. Clearly underrated at this point in his career.

if his defense was average, he would be on the list.

More-Than-Most
10-19-2012, 06:10 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/Top-10-point-guards-Chris-Paul-Derrick-Rose-Deron-Williams-101812#tab=photo-title=Point+of+the+story&photo=31375537


1. CP3
2. Rose
3. Deron
4. Westbrook
5. Parker
6. Rondo
7. Nash
8. Irving
9. Lawson
10. Rubio

CP3
Rose
Westy
Deron
Nash
Rondo/Parker
Parker/Rondo


That is how I would have it

C_Mund
10-19-2012, 06:15 PM
if his defense was average, he would be on the list.

Agreed

PleaseBeNice
10-19-2012, 06:22 PM
Switch Westbrook and Deron

akesh99
10-19-2012, 06:23 PM
Swap Parker and Rondo, drop Rubio and add Lowry. Everything else seems to be pretty spot on

topdog
10-19-2012, 06:30 PM
Uhm... yeah I would be saying this even if he were on the Rockets. Lowry's numbers prior to his leg injury were outstanding and if I were a betting man, I'd bet that he bounces back this year and establishes himself as a top 10 PG.

I honestly think that Lowry and Lawson are interchangeable in terms of rankings, however Lowry is without question > Rubio as we speak. Let's not fool ourselves.

I didn't say anything about Rubio. I think at this point he media exposure and flashiness are what have him in this top 10.

Lawson I feel is underrated and definitely is better than Lowry at this point.

ACanadian
10-19-2012, 06:48 PM
So Lawson and Rubio made it over Lowry? Hilarious.

I agree but can you blame Fox? These are the guys that disrespected Canada in the past

Rndy
10-19-2012, 06:54 PM
Not sure I agree with some of these lists putting Westbrook so high. Everyone always says these combo pg like Rose and Westbrook. Well anyone who does any research over point guards see as much as Rose scores he's also had seasons where he's put up a AST% of 38 and 40 with a TOV% of 13.1 and 12.

Westbrook had a great AST% a few years ago in the upper 40s last year 28? 28? with Kevin Durant the best scorer in the NBA on your team?

Westbrook has two scorers on his team that are Better scorers then anyone on the Bulls.

BHF
10-19-2012, 07:07 PM
if his defense was average, he would be on the list.

and if he knew how to drive to the basket and not hold on to the ball for 20+ sec and if he was more athletic and on and on and on

thrice4
10-19-2012, 07:30 PM
Rubio already better than Jennings???

Eagles4Lyfe
10-19-2012, 09:52 PM
Rubio plays like half a season and is a top 10 PG already, laughable.

Super.
10-20-2012, 12:06 AM
Rondo is just about right. :up:

Ebbs
10-20-2012, 12:49 AM
Again pretty good list except I might take a Curry, Jrue, Lowry over a relatively unproven Rubio.

Sadds The Gr8
10-20-2012, 12:58 AM
Rubio plays like half a season and is a top 10 PG already, laughable.

and completely sucked dick with his shooting. If Lowry was on the Lakers/Heat/Knicks/Nets/Thunder/Celtics, he'd be #7 on this list.

Ebbs
10-20-2012, 12:59 AM
and completely sucked dick with his shooting. If Lowry was on the Lakers/Heat/Knicks/Nets/Thunder/Celtics, he'd be #7 on this list.

Obviously but to Rubio's credit he does play for the T-wolves. European sensation doesn't mean much anymore.

Ebbs
10-20-2012, 01:01 AM
Remember when Pau went to the Lakers? Granted he was fantastic but he went from an after thought to the best power forward in one season. ESPN. PSD, and most fans said he was better than Dirk, KG, and Duncan. If Rubio played for the Lakers he would get top 5 talk.

Sadds The Gr8
10-20-2012, 01:10 AM
Obviously but to Rubio's credit he does play for the T-wolves. European sensation doesn't mean much anymore.

he was like the most hyped prospect of the last 5 years, and has the most flashy game in the league for a PG so I'm not really surprised, even if he is on the Wolves.

Bravo95
10-20-2012, 01:16 AM
Remember when Pau went to the Lakers? Granted he was fantastic but he went from an after thought to the best power forward in one season. ESPN. PSD, and most fans said he was better than Dirk, KG, and Duncan. If Rubio played for the Lakers he would get top 5 talk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq44jwL4BT0

^Bill Walton's hilarious-yet-accurate analysis of that trade.

Ebbs
10-20-2012, 01:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq44jwL4BT0

^Bill Walton's hilarious-yet-accurate analysis of that trade.

:laugh: Stephen A - "Kwame Brown god bless is a scrub. . . "

Oh good lord when Jim Carrey says Luke Walton is one of his favorite players lmao.

AWC713
10-20-2012, 01:23 AM
goran

Sadds The Gr8
10-20-2012, 01:26 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq44jwL4BT0

^Bill Walton's hilarious-yet-accurate analysis of that trade.

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Stephen A made cry with his Kwame Brown analysis lmfaoooooooo

Hellcrooner
10-20-2012, 02:30 AM
Rubio plays like half a season and is a top 10 PG already, laughable.

how many more gams has irving played? 5? 10? :rolleyes:

Hawkeye15
10-20-2012, 02:32 AM
Rubio already better than Jennings???

uh, for sure yes.

Hawkeye15
10-20-2012, 02:34 AM
I feel like I am going to go from arguing AGAINST Rubio, to arguing for him, in certain aspects (not talking top 10).

Greedy22
10-20-2012, 04:46 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq44jwL4BT0

^Bill Walton's hilarious-yet-accurate analysis of that trade.

I remember this night like it was yesterday...Stephen A "kwame brown...god bless him, is a scrub!" :laugh:

Swashcuff
10-20-2012, 08:09 AM
he was like the most hyped prospect of the last 5 years, and has the most flashy game in the league for a PG so I'm not really surprised, even if he is on the Wolves.

Hellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllll no. John Wall was one of the most hyped if not THE mot hyped PG since possibly Magic Johnson. The amount of attention he garnered was unmatched by any since I have started following basketball some 13 years ago.

Swashcuff
10-20-2012, 08:27 AM
Not sure I agree with some of these lists putting Westbrook so high. Everyone always says these combo pg like Rose and Westbrook. Well anyone who does any research over point guards see as much as Rose scores he's also had seasons where he's put up a AST% of 38 and 40 with a TOV% of 13.1 and 12.

Apparently you your didn't do enough research. You didn't pay attention to the fact that Westbrook has a higher career AST% than Rose and is one year removed from a AST% greater than that of any season we've seen from Rose to date. But when his AST% goes does and the rest of his play improves he suddenly isn't a good PG? Get that **** outta here.

His team made the finals last season in the West and his play at the PG was a major reason why. You want to know? Last season the Thunder had the 2nd best offense in the NBA and that was largely due to the play of Westbrook. Sure he isn't your everyday traditional pass first PG but the true essence of a PG is not to just pass the ball (something which so many people get confused with) its rather to run the offense as effectively and efficiently as possible. Its no surprise that the teams that have won titles with their PG being their best or 2nd best player always featured PGs who could put the ball in the basket when need be.


Westbrook had a great AST% a few years ago in the upper 40s last year 28? 28? with Kevin Durant the best scorer in the NBA on your team?

Because the Thunder are better when he shoots more (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/4/6/2930095/russell-westbrook-kevin-durant-oklahoma-city-thunder)? Durant has said it, so has Harden and so has Coach Brooks so who are we to judge?


Westbrook has two scorers on his team that are Better scorers then anyone on the Bulls.

Being a Bulls fan what do you think was the most noticeable thing about the Bulls offense last season? I watched a large chunk of their games and my immediate thought was that their offense was predicated on ball movement. When I checked the stats I found out that that was indeed the case as they finished 5th in the league in assists despite Rose missing a large chunk of their games.

Sometimes you have to realize that it isn't player but rather team. If the Coach is telling you to shoot more, your team's best player plays his best and the team does their best when you shoot more, your team was #1 offensively in the league for basically the entire season up until the last 2 weeks or so and you have one of the best pull up jumpers in the game why should you change? Doesn't that tell you something is working in the way you are running the PG? Like I said earlier its not the prettiest bit of point guard player we've ever seen but hell it works.

The role of a PG is not to pass the basketball, the role of a PG is to run the offense and whoever does that best gets my vote. I still have Rose ahead of Westbrook on my list of PGs but people saying Westbrook shouldn't be that high because he isn't a PG is ridiculous.

HowFit
10-20-2012, 08:34 AM
Other than Rose being questionable, the list pretty fair to me...

Ill21
10-20-2012, 09:00 AM
Good list

Breeze777
10-20-2012, 09:54 AM
1. Paul
2. Rose
3. Westbrook
4. Rondo
5. Williams
6. Parker
7. Nash
8. Irving
9. Lawson
10. Lowry

Sadds The Gr8
10-20-2012, 10:02 AM
Hellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllll no. John Wall was one of the most hyped if not THE mot hyped PG since possibly Magic Johnson. The amount of attention he garnered was unmatched by any since I have started following basketball some 13 years ago.

eh...he was hyped but I don't think he was hyped as much as Rubio. I just don't think there was huge anticipation for Wall to come into the league. People were starving to see Rubio play in the NBA for like 3-4 years before he finally came.

bucketss
10-20-2012, 10:17 AM
Lowry has become overated like ****.

this opinion of yours wouldn't have anything to do with calderon would it?

LanceUpperCut
10-20-2012, 11:17 AM
Neither Rubio or Irving belong on this list yet. 40-50 games in there career and both have major holes in them.

Hellcrooner
10-20-2012, 11:35 AM
this opinion of yours wouldn't have anything to do with calderon would it?

nope.

theres a good number of pgs id take before him.

BHF
10-20-2012, 12:03 PM
nope.

theres a good number of pgs id take before him.

yeah like Rubio and that's about it

I Rock Shaqs
10-20-2012, 12:05 PM
LMAO @ Rubio and Lawson over Lowry if he was still in Houston they would have put him in there...

Hellcrooner
10-20-2012, 12:20 PM
yeah like Rubio and that's about it

How come your continuos racist/xenphobe bashing hasnt gotten you banned yet?

Eagles4Lyfe
10-20-2012, 12:27 PM
how many more gams has irving played? 5? 10? :rolleyes:

Oh ya let's pretend 2010 never happened either where lowry broke onto the scene then kept going into 2011.

People can truly be ignorant at times and argue stuff that favors them without having an unbiased debate.

Also to comment on you saying Calderon would be top 10 lmao he sucks he's at best a cater back up not worth starting. I'm a raptors fan and outsider of the numbers we know how awful he is. His num bers have absolutely no substance or truth reflecting his actual game.

He dribbles around for like 16 seconds then calls for a screen and racks up his assists through that. There is no flow with him offensively on the floor, when he first came into the league he was better than he ended up, he was an automatic free throw shooter that can knock down the 3 pointer consistently but after becoming a starter his shooting became awful.
Did I mention his defense sucks. He should be nowhere i'm the conversation with guys like curry,lowry,jennings,Rubio,wall

dtmagnet
10-20-2012, 12:29 PM
Yes because they are both better. That would make sense right?

It would make sense if they were, but they're not.

heattiltheend94
10-20-2012, 12:39 PM
CP3
Rose
Rondo
Westbrook
DWill
Parker
Nash
Wall
Irving
Rubio

TheSource
10-20-2012, 12:41 PM
Where is Mario Chalmers, one of the premier point guards in this league? :D

LA_Raiders
10-20-2012, 01:12 PM
Rondo should be 4 or 5 with westbrick

Parker is 6

twin4life
10-20-2012, 01:12 PM
Look at Rubio's rookie year vs Rondo's


FG% 3PT% FT% REB ASST STEALS
Rubio .357 .340 .803 4.2 8.2 2.2
Rondo .418 .207 .647 3.7 3.8 1.6

Year 2
Rondo .492 .263 .611 4.2 5.1 1.7

If Rubio in another shortened season can increase his FG% up to mid .400 he DOES deserve to be in there. He is only going to get better I mean he turns 22 tomorrow and skys the limit. NUMBERS NEVER LIE!!

Corey
10-20-2012, 02:07 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/Top-10-point-guards-Chris-Paul-Derrick-Rose-Deron-Williams-101812#tab=photo-title=Point+of+the+story&photo=31375537


1. CP3
2. Rose
3. Deron
4. Westbrook
5. Parker
6. Rondo
7. Nash
8. Irving
9. Lawson
10. RubioSomeone finally got it right.

I've had Parker ahead of Rondo all year.

Corey
10-20-2012, 02:09 PM
Neither Rubio or Irving belong on this list yet. 40-50 games in there career and both have major holes in them.

What holes does Irving have? He just had one of the better rookie seasons in recent memory.

19 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds, .125 WS/48, .566 TS%, 47% from the field, 40% from 3pt.

Kyrie has stud written all over him. He was a top 10 point guard last year.

BHF
10-20-2012, 02:21 PM
How come your continuos racist/xenphobe bashing hasnt gotten you banned yet?

how the **** was my comment racist in any way? you are just mad that i call you out on your bs and your hatred on every player that takes minutes away from your Spanish players if you don't like it you can put me on ignore

IBleedPurple
10-20-2012, 02:24 PM
It would make sense if they were, but they're not.

Lawson is, so it partially makes sense.

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 02:34 PM
Id have it like this
1. Paul
2Rose (assuming he is healthY)
3.Westy
4Deron
5.Parker
6.Rondo
7 Nash
8 Irving
9 Lowry
10 Lawson

Longhornfan1234
10-20-2012, 02:37 PM
Rondo >>>>>> CP3> Rose> Westbrook > Williams > Parker.

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 02:43 PM
Rondo is so overrated on here lol

Hellcrooner
10-20-2012, 02:56 PM
What holes does Irving have? He just had one of the better rookie seasons in recent memory.

19 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds, .125 WS/48, .566 TS%, 47% from the field, 40% from 3pt.

Kyrie has stud written all over him. He was a top 10 point guard last year.

uhhhhh so great for a pg.........................:rolleyes:

irving ( and rubio) WILL be awesome, but neither of them should be already on the list.

TheNumber37
10-20-2012, 03:00 PM
Always underrating Rondo. It's weird because of all of the PGs on the list only Rondo, Paul and Rose ever have stretches where they are playing like the best in the league.

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 03:07 PM
uhhhhh so great for a pg.........................:rolleyes:

irving ( and rubio) WILL be awesome, but neither of them should be already on the list.

Did you see who irving was passing too? Lol

Hellcrooner
10-20-2012, 03:30 PM
Did you see who irving was passing too? Lol

with the exception of love, to similar crap than rubio was doing.

The thing is he is shoot first.


Hopefully he will learn to create for others ( when there are others worhty of it).

I fully expect both to be top 5 pg in 2 or 3 seasons.

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 03:32 PM
with the exception of love, to similar crap than rubio was doing.

The thing is he is shoot first.


Hopefully he will learn to create for others ( when there are others worhty of it).

I fully expect both to be top 5 pg in 2 or 3 seasons.

while I agree he is a shoot first guy, if he was playing with a guy of love's caliabar he would of averaged more then 5 assists a game. I feel he is top 10 now, and I agree with top 5 very soon.

D-Leethal
10-20-2012, 04:17 PM
I would put Lowry over Rubio at 10, switch Parker and Deron and you have yourself a list.

LanceUpperCut
10-20-2012, 04:49 PM
What holes does Irving have? He just had one of the better rookie seasons in recent memory.

19 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds, .125 WS/48, .566 TS%, 47% from the field, 40% from 3pt.

Kyrie has stud written all over him. He was a top 10 point guard last year.

Defence, the other part of the game which he was pretty horrible along with the assists. I'm not hating on Irving he's awesome and an absolute stud but he still hasn't garnered top ten yet. I'd say in another year or two he could be top 5

2-ONE-5
10-20-2012, 05:18 PM
id put Lowry at ten over Rubio just bcuz he hasnt played many NBA games. PG is one deep position. You also got other solid guys out there with Holiday, Dragic, Jennings, Conley (hate admitting that), Hill, and more on the rise

bagwell368
10-20-2012, 05:23 PM
this is wrong, but you know im not surprised. i kind of like all this major sports platforms underrating the celtics, give em more fuel to prove em wrong.

This is a great list for one of these sports outlets. In no way does Rondo rank higher then 6th. Last year he was 7-9, and the year before he was outside the top 12.

Let him prove he's better then #6.

bagwell368
10-20-2012, 05:25 PM
It's weird because of all of the PGs on the list only Rondo, Paul and Rose ever have stretches where they are playing like the best in the league.

Parker has had a few, and if Rondo played as well when the National TV cameras were off and he was in mood, he'd be #3-4 - but he's not. Not yet. His best year he hit #5, and that was what 4 years ago?

Monta is beast
10-20-2012, 05:30 PM
Rondo is better than Parker and Westbrook in my opinion.

beasted86
10-20-2012, 05:37 PM
Rubio a top 10 PG? Cocaine is a helluva drug.

John Wall >>>>> Rubio.
Jennings >>>>> Rubio.

roshan3ai
10-20-2012, 05:47 PM
1. Chris Paul
2. Derrick Rose
3. Russell Westbrook
4. Tony Parker
5. Deron Williams
6. Steve Nash
7. Rajon Rondo
8. Kyrie Irving
9. Ty Lawson
10. Kyle Lowry


Those are my rankings. With Irving most likely going into the top 5 in a year or two.

roshan3ai
10-20-2012, 05:49 PM
Rubio a top 10 PG? Cocaine is a helluva drug.

John Wall >>>>> Rubio.
Jennings >>>>> Rubio.
Rubio isn't top 10, I 100% agree. But Wall has been very underwhelming and Jennings is still a chucker. Kyle Lowry is miles ahead of both. I'd take Jrue ahead of those two as well. And Conley.

beasted86
10-20-2012, 07:55 PM
Rubio isn't top 10, I 100% agree. But Wall has been very underwhelming and Jennings is still a chucker. Kyle Lowry is miles ahead of both. I'd take Jrue ahead of those two as well. And Conley.

In 2 years of playing with scrubs Wall has put up consecutive seasons with 16 PPG, 8 AST, 5 REB, 1.5 STL. I don't really call that underwhelming. And Jennings is somewhat inefficient, but look at the offensive team he has around him. Somebody has to take the shots, who else is supposed to score?

jbelmar4
10-20-2012, 08:12 PM
1.Cp3
2.Drose
3.westbrook
4.rondo
5.tonypark
6.nash
7.irving
8.wall
9.rubio

jbelmar4
10-20-2012, 08:12 PM
10 is lowry

jbelmar4
10-20-2012, 08:13 PM
Deron williams is top 5 too

xxplayerxx23
10-20-2012, 08:18 PM
Parker is so damn underrated.

BuddhaMONK
10-20-2012, 08:45 PM
while I know nobody like Calderon, and his defense is poor, he can score efficiently, and never gives away possessions. Clearly underrated at this point in his career.

calderon is so overated by people outside of Toronto. I'm happy because that means he's got trade value but in reality he's soft, awful defensively, and although he talks alot on the floor he never seems to be able to lead the Raptors. Compared to Lowry he looks like a d-leaguer...Lowry should be on this list though he's good at everything (leader, amazing defender, good passer, good shooter, amazing rebounder for his size)...He'll be an all star soon if he stays healthy.

Hellcrooner
10-20-2012, 10:12 PM
calderon is so overated by people outside of Toronto. I'm happy because that means he's got trade value but in reality he's soft, awful defensively, and although he talks alot on the floor he never seems to be able to lead the Raptors. Compared to Lowry he looks like a d-leaguer...Lowry should be on this list though he's good at everything (leader, amazing defender, good passer, good shooter, amazing rebounder for his size)...He'll be an all star soon if he stays healthy.

oh, yeah is Joses fault he couldnt lead bosh ( then bargs) and 10 mariachis to the promised land... :rolleyes:

Hawkeye15
10-20-2012, 10:14 PM
calderon is so overated by people outside of Toronto. I'm happy because that means he's got trade value but in reality he's soft, awful defensively, and although he talks alot on the floor he never seems to be able to lead the Raptors. Compared to Lowry he looks like a d-leaguer...Lowry should be on this list though he's good at everything (leader, amazing defender, good passer, good shooter, amazing rebounder for his size)...He'll be an all star soon if he stays healthy.

Calderon is overrated? How so? He receives no accolades, awards, and recognition in the slightest. Seems fairly ranked to me. You can't dispute that he is not only an efficient scorer, but never turns the ball over. He is a slightly below average starting PG, and a great backup PG. Sort of a Luke Ridnour type, but arguably better.

The goods
10-20-2012, 10:36 PM
The list isn't bad at all nothing outrageous.

dtmagnet
10-20-2012, 10:37 PM
Calderon is overrated? How so? He receives no accolades, awards, and recognition in the slightest. Seems fairly ranked to me. You can't dispute that he is not only an efficient scorer, but never turns the ball over. He is a slightly below average starting PG, and a great backup PG. Sort of a Luke Ridnour type, but arguably better.

I agree, some Raptor fans just have an irrational hate for the guy.

BHF
10-20-2012, 11:42 PM
Calderon is overrated? How so? He receives no accolades, awards, and recognition in the slightest. Seems fairly ranked to me. You can't dispute that he is not only an efficient scorer, but never turns the ball over. He is a slightly below average starting PG, and a great backup PG. Sort of a Luke Ridnour type, but arguably better.

he doesn't turn the ball over because he never does anything but sit on top of the key dribbling the ball for 20+ sec and passes the ball for a last sec shot that's how he gets his assists, he does not create for others and there is absolutely no ball movement when he is on the floor, he never ever drives to the hoop so no pressure on opponents defense 2.4 drives per game worst in the NBA. This is just on the offensive side don't even get me started on his defense

BuddhaMONK
10-21-2012, 12:24 AM
he doesn't turn the ball over because he never does anything but sit on top of the key dribbling the ball for 20+ sec and passes the ball for a last sec shot that's how he gets his assists, he does not create for others and there is absolutely no ball movement when he is on the floor, he never ever drives to the hoop so no pressure on opponents defense 2.4 drives per game worst in the NBA. This is just on the offensive side don't even get me started on his defense

What this guy said...Raptors seem to play worse with him out there...most of his assists are from mid to long range shots which is why he hardly turns it over. One of the first things I noticed with lowry is how he'll send it right into into the paint for easy jams/layups (calderon hardly ever does this)...There's a reason why even his rubio-less national team hardly gave him any minutes.

BuddhaMONK
10-21-2012, 12:34 AM
oh, yeah is Joses fault he couldnt lead bosh ( then bargs) and 10 mariachis to the promised land... :rolleyes:

hold your words...Raptors have a real pointguard now to compare him to.

Losoway
10-21-2012, 01:00 AM
damn they put rondo way down

he should be number 1 and then deron

albertajaysfan
10-21-2012, 01:16 AM
lol @ the Calderon love.

He is an amazing team player, has a nice shooting stroke, but dammit he is frustrating to watch as a starting point guard.

How do you say do nothing for 20 seconds in spanish? Calderon!

He could be a 3rd guard I believe but dude is getting paid 10.5 this season. So not only is he not starter material he is getting paid like one. Not a good combination.

Corey
10-21-2012, 01:28 AM
damn they put rondo way down

he should be number 1 and then deron

:rolleyes:

Rndy
10-21-2012, 01:31 AM
Apparently you your didn't do enough research. You didn't pay attention to the fact that Westbrook has a higher career AST% than Rose and is one year removed from a AST% greater than that of any season we've seen from Rose to date. But when his AST% goes does and the rest of his play improves he suddenly isn't a good PG? Get that **** outta here.

His team made the finals last season in the West and his play at the PG was a major reason why. You want to know? Last season the Thunder had the 2nd best offense in the NBA and that was largely due to the play of Westbrook. Sure he isn't your everyday traditional pass first PG but the true essence of a PG is not to just pass the ball (something which so many people get confused with) its rather to run the offense as effectively and efficiently as possible. Its no surprise that the teams that have won titles with their PG being their best or 2nd best player always featured PGs who could put the ball in the basket when need be.



Because the Thunder are better when he shoots more (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/4/6/2930095/russell-westbrook-kevin-durant-oklahoma-city-thunder)? Durant has said it, so has Harden and so has Coach Brooks so who are we to judge?



Being a Bulls fan what do you think was the most noticeable thing about the Bulls offense last season? I watched a large chunk of their games and my immediate thought was that their offense was predicated on ball movement. When I checked the stats I found out that that was indeed the case as they finished 5th in the league in assists despite Rose missing a large chunk of their games.

Sometimes you have to realize that it isn't player but rather team. If the Coach is telling you to shoot more, your team's best player plays his best and the team does their best when you shoot more, your team was #1 offensively in the league for basically the entire season up until the last 2 weeks or so and you have one of the best pull up jumpers in the game why should you change? Doesn't that tell you something is working in the way you are running the PG? Like I said earlier its not the prettiest bit of point guard player we've ever seen but hell it works.

The role of a PG is not to pass the basketball, the role of a PG is to run the offense and whoever does that best gets my vote. I still have Rose ahead of Westbrook on my list of PGs but people saying Westbrook shouldn't be that high because he isn't a PG is ridiculous.

I gave Westbrook credit of having a great AST% the year before higher then any of Roses. Which I think has more to do with Rose being really the only play maker and the fact that their team ast% is pretty good .My problem was he had an atrocious one last year. And if they are ok with it that is fine. But they also couldn't run an offense in the finals.

My problem should probably be with Brooks and not Westy I'm sure he'd gladly pass more if he was asked to. I'm not a huge fan of their offensive scheme. Little too much jump shooting for my taste. When it works you can't stop it but when you get cold like they did it would help to have Westbrook pick and roll and have some scoring in the post.

gwrighter
10-21-2012, 01:34 AM
Calderon is like the Bargnani of PG's with a way more limited offensive game and even worse defence....Think about that for a second.

I Rock Shaqs
10-21-2012, 01:47 AM
is It crazy to think Lowry is better than Kyrie Irving right now? Not in te future of their whole careers? Like as of right now I think Lowry is better than Rubio, Ty lawson and Irving.

Rndy
10-21-2012, 02:01 AM
is It crazy to think Lowry is better than Kyrie Irving right now? Not in te future of their whole careers? Like as of right now I think Lowry is better than Rubio, Ty lawson and Irving.

I'd take Kyrie over Lowry especially if he repeats or has a better year then last year.

sammyvine
10-21-2012, 05:26 AM
Westbrook isn't a PG

sammyvine
10-21-2012, 05:27 AM
It's a crap list anyway.

Rondo should be top 3 considering his play off performance.

gwrighter
10-21-2012, 09:23 AM
I'd take Kyrie over Lowry especially if he repeats or has a better year then last year.

Lowry's defence is what makes him better than Irving right now IMO. He's a legit two way player.

jmaest
10-21-2012, 09:40 AM
I looked at the list and thought 2 things: 1, Rose owned CP3 in their head-to-head game this year and 2, the position of PG has really changed.

There are guys who are more "traditional" PG's like CP3 and Rondo and then there are guys who are more "modern" like Rose and Westbrook. Depending on what you would hold more valuable, would determine which player would you pick highest.

I'm not sure it's possible to make a top 10 PG list that everybody would agree to...

waveycrockett
10-21-2012, 09:58 AM
It's a crap list anyway.

Rondo should be top 3 considering his play off performance.

And thats why Rondo is overrated.

I Rock Shaqs
10-21-2012, 10:12 AM
I'd take Kyrie over Lowry especially if he repeats or has a better year then last year.

Idk Kyrie is a better scorer, and that's about it.

I Rock Shaqs
10-21-2012, 10:25 AM
And thats why Rondo is overrated.

Because he did really good?

waveycrockett
10-21-2012, 10:33 AM
Because he did really good?

Because a good playoff run doesnt suddenly erase your limitations as a player.

jmaest
10-21-2012, 10:50 AM
Because a good playoff run doesnt suddenly erase your limitations as a player.

What exactly are his "limitations"? That he doesn't score from the outside with enough consistency? Neither does Lebron.

He plays great defense. Runs the offense extremely well. Rebounds better than any Guard in the NBA--let alone point Guards. And dishes about as good as anyone.

What's your point?

waveycrockett
10-21-2012, 11:00 AM
What exactly are his "limitations"?

This is a clown question bro

Kenny
10-21-2012, 11:04 AM
Chris Paul too me is the best by a decent margin. As a Knick fan that has watched a lot of Rondo, give me Rondo any day of the week over those other guys. The guy is a competitor out there. Deron Williams hasn't done a thing in two years. He has fell in love with the three ball at this point. People want to use the excuse of who he was playing with, but who was Nash playing with and the guy almost made the playoffs with Gortat as his leading scorer.

waveycrockett
10-21-2012, 11:09 AM
Chris Paul too me is the best by a decent margin. As a Knick fan that has watched a lot of Rondo, give me Rondo any day of the week over those other guys. The guy is a competitor out there. Deron Williams hasn't done a thing in two years. He has fell in love with the three ball at this point. People want to use the excuse of who he was playing with, but who was Nash playing with and the guy almost made the playoffs with Gortat as his leading scorer.

Deron Williams himself has said he has been forced to become a Shooting Guard since he's been on the Nets. It's not exactly a secret why. He hasn't fallen in love with anything it's the role he was forced to play.

xxplayerxx23
10-21-2012, 11:11 AM
Lol Rondo, come on man. He is a very good pg but fact of the matter is that he isn't better then the top 5.
Paul
Rose (healthy)
Westy
Deron(could flip him and westy)
Parker

Baller1
10-21-2012, 11:52 AM
I love how Rose is a PG, but Westbrook isn't. Literally the most hypocritical ******** ever.

bringinwood
10-21-2012, 12:02 PM
I looked at the list and thought 2 things: 1, Rose owned CP3 in their head-to-head game this year and 2, the position of PG has really changed.

There are guys who are more "traditional" PG's like CP3 and Rondo and then there are guys who are more "modern" like Rose and Westbrook. Depending on what you would hold more valuable, would determine which player would you pick highest.

I'm not sure it's possible to make a top 10 PG list that everybody would agree to...

That one head to head match between rose and cp3 should determine everything... Thrower out the stats, the hundreds of games played between the two, the playoff runs, and the dominance that Paul has shown...

Nope, it means nothing... Lmao, get real..

waveycrockett
10-21-2012, 12:06 PM
I love how Rose is a PG, but Westbrook isn't. Literally the most hypocritical ******** ever.

I sort of agree but when you play with great scorers like Durant and Harden and your still chucking the rock and turning the ball over like he does you can see why people say that. Rose is easily the biggest and maybe only threat on offense for the Bulls aside from maybe Deng.

Baller1
10-21-2012, 12:18 PM
I sort of agree but when you play with great scorers like Durant and Harden and your still chucking the rock and turning the ball over like he does you can see why people say that. Rose is easily the biggest and maybe only threat on offense for the Bulls aside from maybe Deng.

Hypothetically speaking, if you were the second best player on your basketball team and could score at will... And the best player on your team keeps telling you, "shoot it, shoot it, shoot it; if you're open, shoot it", and as you're shooting your team is winning and on it's way to the championship...

Would you pass that much? I wouldn't, and fortunately for OKC, Westbrook doesn't. He's a top 10 scorer in the entire league, and for that reason he should be shooting as much as he does.

GIANTKNICK
10-21-2012, 12:26 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/Top-10-point-guards-Chris-Paul-Derrick-Rose-Deron-Williams-101812#tab=photo-title=Point+of+the+story&photo=31375537


1. CP3
2. Rose
3. Deron
4. Westbrook
5. Parker
6. Rondo
7. Nash
8. Irving
9. Lawson
10. Rubio

Irving? Realy. John Wall is a better pg than him.

Arch Stanton
10-21-2012, 12:28 PM
Irving? Realy. John Wall is a better pg than him.

:facepalm:

waveycrockett
10-21-2012, 12:29 PM
Irving? Realy. John Wall is a better pg than him.

No he isn't

waveycrockett
10-21-2012, 12:31 PM
Hypothetically speaking, if you were the second best player on your basketball team and could score at will... And the best player on your team keeps telling you, "shoot it, shoot it, shoot it; if you're open, shoot it", and as you're shooting your team is winning and on it's way to the championship...

Would you pass that much? I wouldn't, and fortunately for OKC, Westbrook doesn't. He's a top 10 scorer in the entire league, and for that reason he should be shooting as much as he does.
Sure Westbrook scores in bunches but he can also be extremely inefficient. If he took less shots and worked on being a more efficient PG OKC would be better off.

KB-Pau-DH2012
10-21-2012, 01:10 PM
Rajon Rondo is the best PG in the league IMO.

waveycrockett
10-21-2012, 01:16 PM
Rajon Rondo is the best PG in the league IMO.

I know he plays great against the Lakers but there is aboslutely nothing he does that separates him for CP3, Rose, Deron, Westbrook.

Corey
10-21-2012, 01:29 PM
I think it's funny that people are saying Westbrook isn't a point guard.

He only starts every game at point guard, is the primary ballhandler, and defends opposing point guards.

...He isn't a point guard though.

Okay :rolleyes:

Just because his role in OKC's offense is to score doesn't mean he isn't a point guard.

Daunter
10-21-2012, 01:46 PM
Perfect list for me no complaints

Baller1
10-21-2012, 02:45 PM
I think it's funny that people are saying Westbrook isn't a point guard.

He only starts every game at point guard, is the primary ballhandler, and defends opposing point guards.

...He isn't a point guard though.

Okay :rolleyes:

Just because his role in OKC's offense is to score doesn't mean he isn't a point guard.

But he shoots a lot dude!

ChiSox219
10-21-2012, 02:54 PM
Westbrook is not a Point Guard, get over it.

He's a Super Guard.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
10-21-2012, 02:57 PM
I think it's funny that people are saying Westbrook isn't a point guard.

He only starts every game at point guard, is the primary ballhandler, and defends opposing point guards.

...He isn't a point guard though.

Okay :rolleyes:

Just because his role in OKC's offense is to score doesn't mean he isn't a point guard.

But he shoots the ball so he's a SG doe. Same goes for D-Rose to brah.

sammyvine
10-21-2012, 05:34 PM
Lol Rondo, come on man. He is a very good pg but fact of the matter is that he isn't better then the top 5.
Paul
Rose (healthy)
Westy
Deron(could flip him and westy)
Parker

A clippers fan would say that:clap:

sammyvine
10-21-2012, 05:34 PM
And thats why Rondo is overrated.

How is he overrated. I am going by what i saw during the play-offs.

roshan3ai
10-22-2012, 03:36 PM
In 2 years of playing with scrubs Wall has put up consecutive seasons with 16 PPG, 8 AST, 5 REB, 1.5 STL. I don't really call that underwhelming. And Jennings is somewhat inefficient, but look at the offensive team he has around him. Somebody has to take the shots, who else is supposed to score?

Both of their efficiency stats are awful. If you think what Wall and Jennings do is not underwhelming, then Kyrie must be the second coming of Jesus because he's putting up fantastic stats on a terrible team.