View Full Version : Big Gaurd rotation?

10-17-2012, 09:49 AM
I posted this in the Heat forum, but I didn't get a lot of responses and I was wondering what fan in general thought, so I'm posting it in the NBA forum now.

I'm not a Heat fan, just a fan of the game, and to be honest, I don't even really like the Heat. I'm a bit of a Heat hater. But that said, they do have some of the best basketball players on the planet and there is nothing I like watching more than great basketball (outside of porn of course).

I've been watching baskteball since 88ish, and I remember well the second three-peat of the Chicago Bulls, when they ran with the big guard rotation that saw Ron Harper and Michael Jordan in the starting line up. With LBJ and Wade on Miami, Chalmbers doesn't really do a lot of ball handling (not in the games I've watched at least), and nor does he need to. The Heat have two great ball handlers in Wade and James. I wondered why, in the past, the Heat/Spo didn't simply move Wade back to PG where he started his career and have Miller play SG. This offseason they've signed Ray Allen, perhaps the best shooter the league has ever seen, and in my opinion, still worthy of starting minutes. My thought is that since Chalmbers is essentially a spot up shooter, much like John Paxon and Steve Kerr were with the Bulls, why not just let him come off the bench and start a big guard rotation in the back court like the Bulls used to do, only instead of Harper and Jordan they would have Wade and Allen. To me, this would be an improvement. There is no need to start a traditional "PG" when the bulk of your ball handling is done by your SF and SG. This would create some mis-matches in terms of size that would favour Miami.

I get the feeling though that Spo will stick with starting Chalmbers and have Ray Allen come off the bench, but with Lewis and Allen having been picked up this season, and Miller and Battier in the fold, it seems like the only way to get all four of these guys the mintues they should be getting (that's; Allen, Lewis, Battier and Miller) is to go with a bigger line-up.


10-17-2012, 10:01 AM
me personally, i wouldnt mind a big guard rotation for 5-10 mins a game with the lineup like this:

pg- Wade
sg- Allen
sf- bron/battier
pf- bron/battier
c- bosh


pg- wade
sg- allen
sf- miller
pf- bron
c- bosh

and to answer your question about Miller, he was never fully healthy for us to use that big guard rotation, and mario chalmers last year worked on his 3 point shooting, hence why we didnt mind him in the rotation because he would knock down his 3s.

it would be interesting to see if lewis would even make the rotation.
imo lewis would be splitting time with battier and bron at the pf, i would honestly be surprised if we saw lewis play the 3 for an extended period of time..

anyways for the starting lineup, I think it would be
pg- Chalmers
sg- Wade
sf- Bron
pf- battier
c- bosh

with allen coming out the bench, but who knows, because one thing we do know is that the starting lineup will probably not play more than 10-15 mins a game. lol time will tell.

10-17-2012, 10:14 AM
Chalmers made huge improvements last year, and ended up being a reliable starter. Ray Allen is obviously reliable as well, but his scoring punch will be most valuable coming off the bench, in my opinion.

10-17-2012, 10:18 AM
Chalmers was a beast last year, but if he starts off slow they might go with that lineup.

10-17-2012, 11:31 AM
Allen's obviously the better shooter, but Chalmers gives them more quickness and I'm told he's a capable defender at PG. Ray is not a capable defender at SG, so you'd be lowering the defensive ability of your starters. So it's really an offense for defense tradeoff, one I generally wouldn't make. You're also risking Wade burning out by asking him to guard super quick PG's all the time. PG is the hardest position to guard, because the players are so fast there's no way to keep up with them all the time when you're backpedaling.

Also, the reason to go to a big backcourt is because your PG is getting backed down in the paint. I'm not sure there's a need to go bigger except situationally.

Note: I was firmly in the "Get Ray on the court as much as possible" camp, until I read this thread and started thinking about a response. I think Ray and Wade will see a lot of court time together, just not as starters.

10-17-2012, 11:32 AM
You spelled Guard wrong

10-17-2012, 11:33 AM

Makes sense to me.

So does

For crunch time

10-17-2012, 11:34 AM
As for the actual question Im indifferent. Offensively I don't think switching Ray Allen or Mike Miller for Chalmers will make all that much difference. Both would just be spot up shooters. Chalmers probably also makes them a bit better defensively than the others would