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JasonJohnHorn
10-12-2012, 05:26 PM
Ok... you have travelled back in time and know everything that will happen in the future... you are, for some reason unknown to me, given the job of the Houston Rocket GM... it's draft night.... who are you going to pick? Jordan? Or Hakeem? and don't tell me you are going to trade Ralph Sampson to the TrailBlazers for the number two pick and get both of them.

TheGsw
10-12-2012, 05:27 PM
I'd draft Steph Curry

Chronz
10-12-2012, 05:27 PM
I trade Ralph Sampson for Drexler and build around those 2 forever

sportscrazy34
10-12-2012, 05:40 PM
Not taking the job and heading to Vegas. Become the richest man in the world and then buy the Dodgers before Fox or Frank.

Raps18-19 Champ
10-12-2012, 05:42 PM
Is the surrounding cast still the same? Because you can probably trade Ralph Sampson for a legit wing player and you'll have some rings.

StarvingKnick22
10-12-2012, 06:02 PM
I bet lots of money on games and create google/facebook/twitter. Oh yeah and trade the knicks random pick for Orlando's 1992 & 1993 picks.

OKC
10-12-2012, 06:22 PM
i would pick Sam Bowie

SINCESTARBURY25
10-12-2012, 06:48 PM
Id draft Stephon Marbury

PurpleJesus
10-12-2012, 06:59 PM
Is the surrounding cast still the same? Because you can probably trade Ralph Sampson for a legit wing player and you'll have some rings.

Ralph Sampson was a beast at the beginning of his career. No need to trade him.

knicks=love
10-12-2012, 07:06 PM
i'm going to trade ralph sampson to the portland trailblazers for the 2nd overall pick and select both of them.

pacersfan1967
10-12-2012, 07:10 PM
I'd taken ralph then traded him after a couple of years...

PurpleJesus
10-12-2012, 07:10 PM
I'd taken ralph then traded him after a couple of years...

wrong draft.

Eg714
10-12-2012, 08:14 PM
I would tell magic to start wearing condoms.

JNA17
10-12-2012, 08:17 PM
Trade Ralph for the Blazers pick and have both.

MJ and Hakeem... :drool:

bagwell368
10-12-2012, 09:38 PM
Ralph Sampson was a beast at the beginning of his career. No need to trade him.

That lasted about 5 minutes - what a stiff. Made 4 ASG's for what?

tapajafri
10-12-2012, 10:06 PM
If it's 1984, you gotta go with Hakeem. The obvious choice, and he was a center at that. He was a center. You build everything around the big man. Nobody knew Jordan was going to be that great back in 1984, so everyone that voted for Jordan cheated. They ignored the part of the question that said "it's 1984" .....because if it's 1984, everyone would draft Hakeem.

bagwell368
10-12-2012, 10:10 PM
Trade down #1 pick with the Bulls as long as they promise to take Jordan or Bowie (along with the Houston #2 pick in and '86). The return is the Bulls #2 pick in 1984 and 2nd round pick in '84, '85' '86

-- Pick Hakeem and Jerome Kersey in 1984.
-- Draft Hot Rod Williams in 1985.
-- Draft Jon Hornacek in 1986.

Trade Ralph Sampson for Dallas's 1985 #1 pick - and

-- draft Detlef Schremph

Trade Allen Leavell + Phil Ford + Houston 1985 #1 & Houston 1986 #1 to
Utah for 1984 #1 and 1986 #1

-- Draft John Stockton

Trade Utah 1986 #1 and Houston #1 1987 and Houston 2nd round pick
to Seattle for 1987 #1 and 1988 Seattle #1.

-- Draft Scottie Pippen
-- Draft Rod Strickland

It takes 4 years but the team's core is:

Hakeem, Hot Rod, Detlef, Kersey, Pippen

Hornacek, Strickland, Stockton

Ahhhh... tough work, but it was worth it.

Hellcrooner
10-12-2012, 11:57 PM
I trade Ralph Sampson for Drexler and build around those 2 forever

blazers rejected to trade drexler for sampson.



I would still draft hakeem-

Theres 0 guarantees Jordan on a different enviroment wiht different players and coaches wouldnt have ended up being worse/different, or that he would have bolted from the team at first chance.

JordansBulls
10-13-2012, 12:18 AM
Jordan handily. He went to the worst possible situation and turned the franchise into a dynasty. Hakeem came straight in playing with an allstar and the ROY and the allstar game MVP as a rookie.
Not to mention that Hakeem only had maybe 3 seasons where he was close to Jordan's level and that was from 1993-1995.

Here was an article showing the difference in winning and losing between the 2 thru 1996.
http://www.rawbw.com/~deano/articles/JordanvsOlaj.html



My principal method for evaluating the overall effectiveness of players is to look at their individual win-loss records. I calculated these for Jordan and Olajuwon all the way back to the '86-87 season (before that, I haven't entered into the computer all the data I need):

Jordan Olajuwon
W L % W L %
'87 17.0 2.4 0.877 12.3 2.2 0.850
'88 19.4 0.7 0.967 11.9 2.1 0.850
'89 18.0 0.7 0.961 14.9 1.7 0.898
'90 18.0 1.1 0.942 14.2 1.8 0.888
'91 17.5 0.4 0.980 9.3 0.5 0.945
'92 15.9 0.6 0.966 10.6 1.5 0.873
'93 17.0 0.8 0.953 17.3 0.8 0.957
'94 16.8 1.1 0.937
'95 2.8 0.9 0.757 14.0 2.3 0.859
'96 5.8 0.2 0.964 5.4 1.1 0.834

Total 131.4 7.8 0.944 126.7 15.1 0.894




When players are this good, you have to get into the details and identify the small things that are important and exactly how they are important. That's what my methods do. And they consistently show that Jordan has been a better player than Olajuwon (and everyone else, for that matter).




is a rather significant edge and, though, there is no way of evaluating what this really means since we can't compare a team of Jordans to a team of Olajuwons, it indicates very strongly that Jordan contributes more to winning than Olajuwon, another great player

PurpleJesus
10-13-2012, 12:48 AM
If it's 1984, you gotta go with Hakeem. The obvious choice, and he was a center at that. He was a center. You build everything around the big man. Nobody knew Jordan was going to be that great back in 1984, so everyone that voted for Jordan cheated. They ignored the part of the question that said "it's 1984" .....because if it's 1984, everyone would draft Hakeem.

But they had already drafted a center the previous year at #1 overall...who, averaged 21 points, and 11 rebounds his rookie season. They should have been thinking how to put a wing player with that guy, not about thinking of putting another center on the team...and this situation was a little different than the situation that put Duncan with Robinson.

quade36
10-13-2012, 01:13 AM
I'd draft Sam Bowie. Definitely the steal of the draft back then.

KB-Pau-DH2012
10-13-2012, 01:14 AM
Listen to Michael Jackson! :dance:

Hellcrooner
10-13-2012, 02:56 AM
Listen to Michael Jackson! :dance:

Michael Jackson? Seriously?

With Van Halen Rocking the world? Motley Crue? Wasp? Twisted Sister? The RHC Peppers starting out?

It was all bout Rock and L.A

scaramantula
10-13-2012, 04:57 AM
while Jordan may have been a better player, darafting him would throw of space-time and all that,

so I gotta go with Hakeem, for the timelines sake

Chronz
10-13-2012, 11:28 AM
blazers rejected to trade drexler for sampson.
Timing is everything, they would have taken him + fillers at some point.




I would still draft hakeem-

Theres 0 guarantees Jordan on a different enviroment wiht different players and coaches wouldnt have ended up being worse/different, or that he would have bolted from the team at first chance.
Your argument is meaningless, you could say the same for EVERY PLAYER TO EVER PLAY. But sounds like garbage to me, there is DEFINITELY a gaurantee with MJ, hes the GOAT.

Also the thread says knowing what we KNOW.

Hellcrooner
10-13-2012, 02:45 PM
Timing is everything, they would have taken him + fillers at some point.



Your argument is meaningless, you could say the same for EVERY PLAYER TO EVER PLAY. But sounds like garbage to me, there is DEFINITELY a gaurantee with MJ, hes the GOAT.

Also the thread says knowing what we KNOW.
What we know means nothing if you change something in the past.

Believe it or not, a succesfull career goes like this 25% Sheer talent 25% Enviroment 50% team that drafted you.

I can guarantee you that some dudes that were role players all their live woudl have been allstars if they were drafted by different teams.
And some allstars would have gone to **** if drafter by a different team.

Imagine Stockton being drafted by lakers and rotting in the bench all hsi rookie contract, he would ahve not been a HOF.

Had Blazers drafted Jordan theres a 90% chance that one of him or Clyde would not be on the Hof right now.


Another thougt on the 84 draft, Blazers get Jordan, Bulls then select barkley and pair him with Woolridge, They dont butt heads and Orlando doesnt go to nets, doesnt get into drugs and fulfills his allstar potential.

And so on.

SugeKnight
10-13-2012, 02:48 PM
Disobey big brother

bagwell368
10-13-2012, 03:02 PM
Jordan handily. He went to the worst possible situation and turned the franchise into a dynasty. Hakeem came straight in playing with an allstar and the ROY and the allstar game MVP as a rookie.
Not to mention that Hakeem only had maybe 3 seasons where he was close to Jordan's level and that was from 1993-1995.

Here was an article showing the difference in winning and losing between the 2 thru 1996.
http://www.rawbw.com/~deano/articles/JordanvsOlaj.html



My principal method for evaluating the overall effectiveness of players is to look at their individual win-loss records. I calculated these for Jordan and Olajuwon all the way back to the '86-87 season (before that, I haven't entered into the computer all the data I need):

Jordan Olajuwon
W L % W L %
'87 17.0 2.4 0.877 12.3 2.2 0.850
'88 19.4 0.7 0.967 11.9 2.1 0.850
'89 18.0 0.7 0.961 14.9 1.7 0.898
'90 18.0 1.1 0.942 14.2 1.8 0.888
'91 17.5 0.4 0.980 9.3 0.5 0.945
'92 15.9 0.6 0.966 10.6 1.5 0.873
'93 17.0 0.8 0.953 17.3 0.8 0.957
'94 16.8 1.1 0.937
'95 2.8 0.9 0.757 14.0 2.3 0.859
'96 5.8 0.2 0.964 5.4 1.1 0.834

Total 131.4 7.8 0.944 126.7 15.1 0.894


Jordan might have went into the worst place, but with Jackson and Pippen to the rescue it didn't stay that way for long.

Hakeem had a much worse env long term than Jordan.

bagwell368
10-13-2012, 03:05 PM
But they had already drafted a center the previous year at #1 overall...who, averaged 21 points, and 11 rebounds his rookie season. They should have been thinking how to put a wing player with that guy, not about thinking of putting another center on the team...and this situation was a little different than the situation that put Duncan with Robinson.

Anyone that watched Ralph knew he was effete #3 in the body of a high post#5.

That was clear from day 1 .

Chronz
10-13-2012, 04:17 PM
What we know means nothing if you change something in the past.
Thats not what the thread is asking nor do I believe you.


Believe it or not, a succesfull career goes like this 25% Sheer talent 25% Enviroment 50% team that drafted you.

Sounds like a bunch of BS to me.


I can guarantee you that some dudes that were role players all their live woudl have been allstars if they were drafted by different teams.
And some allstars would have gone to **** if drafter by a different team.

Name them, I guarantee you your wrong.


Imagine Stockton being drafted by lakers and rotting in the bench all hsi rookie contract, he would ahve not been a HOF.

He would have left or thrived in limited minutes prompting his team to trade him or expand his role. Nobody would waste valuable resources like that.


Had Blazers drafted Jordan theres a 90% chance that one of him or Clyde would not be on the Hof right now.

LOL nah, theres a 100% chance BOTH would have ruled the league.

nickdymez
10-13-2012, 04:43 PM
Get a flat top!!!!!!!

N3TS
10-15-2012, 04:39 AM
If you go the route of taking Hakeem your guaranteed 2 rings as long as you follow with the same decisions the team made back then, but if you go for Jordan your definitely rolling the dice...hmmm, I'd take my chances with MJ.

PhillyFaninLA
10-15-2012, 05:01 AM
I think most of us would take Hakeem if it was 1984, because he was a dominant big and we wouldn't know how amazing Jordan was going to be.

If you take into account hindsight then most of us would take Jordan.

Bulls_fan90
10-15-2012, 06:03 AM
I think most of us would take Hakeem if it was 1984, because he was a dominant big and we wouldn't know how amazing Jordan was going to be.

If you take into account hindsight then most of us would take Jordan.

Well said.

However the OP mentions
you have travelled back in time and know everything that will happen in the future so the obvious answer is Jordan. How is this even a question?

Trueblue2
10-15-2012, 07:40 AM
2+2=5

Davidgta1
10-15-2012, 07:55 AM
Jordan

mlisica19
10-15-2012, 09:02 AM
Funny how many people claim they will create Google, Facebook and such without the internet or PCs

RealLiveBear
10-15-2012, 09:15 AM
As Long as Space Jam is still made I don't care who I take.

albertajaysfan
10-15-2012, 09:40 AM
Funny how many people claim they will create Google, Facebook and such without the internet or PCs

I wouldn't bother anyways. Just because you know it is going to happen doesn't mean you are able to invent. I would however invest very wisely.

I would probably quit the GM job and make some money betting on vegas then put a ton of money in the market and get out in 2008.

Oh and like someone else said......disobey big brother.....so glad someone went there.

basketfan4life
10-15-2012, 09:51 AM
If you go the route of taking Hakeem your guaranteed 2 rings as long as you follow with the same decisions the team made back then, but if you go for Jordan your definitely rolling the dice...hmmm, I'd take my chances with MJ.

Bingo.

zB_#85
10-15-2012, 03:37 PM
I hop in the Delorean, crank that baby to 88 and see that the obvious choice is Jordan. Then I head back and trade Ralph Sampson to the TrailBlazers for the number two pick and get both Hakeem and Jordan.

LAKERMANIA
10-15-2012, 04:10 PM
If I were in 1984 and I knew nothing about the future: I'd draft Hakeem.

If I were myself and knew everything about the future: I'd draft MJ

Jroz
10-15-2012, 04:34 PM
I'd draft the girl in Bagwell368's sig and then slap the ho in the face above

Im_in_Mia_bish
10-15-2012, 04:37 PM
Will we get there by a hot tub time machine?

xcrisisx
10-15-2012, 04:39 PM
That lasted about 5 minutes - what a stiff. Made 4 ASG's for what?

you can't predict that stuff wtf
you wouldn't even last the whole offseason as a gm so stop bashing people

Jroz
10-15-2012, 04:39 PM
actually i'd like to amend my answer..forget drafting anyone, i'd go buy up a ton of property in the City and bet on a ton of games that I already knew the outcome for. Then i'd come back and wouldnt care what the Rockets or Bulls did because i'd own them both at that point and would have sold them to the WNBA!

BRADfromOZ
10-15-2012, 05:16 PM
I trade Ralph Sampson for Drexler and build around those 2 forever
Why is this the response of ALL rockets fans? Because it's the correct answer.