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canefandynasty
10-12-2012, 01:39 PM
Who would you take going into next season? Both just came off of horrible seasons for their standards, and are both going into their AGE 29 season. So you see any bounce back by both of them, or are they washed up?

1903
10-12-2012, 01:53 PM
JJ pitched much better than Lincecum.

DubbyDubbs
10-12-2012, 01:55 PM
Both will bounce back. Gimme Lincecum next season if I had to choose.

Rush
10-12-2012, 06:00 PM
I think it's hard to say a player is washed up after one bad season. You can't even use "washed up" and Josh Johnson in the same sentence. He wasn't even bad. Maybe not up to his standards, but certainly not bad.

LASportsFan1996
10-12-2012, 10:22 PM
Josh Johnson

YoungStuna
10-13-2012, 11:01 PM
Jj

Qwertys
10-14-2012, 01:40 AM
Jj

UPRock
10-14-2012, 06:49 PM
Next season? Timmy.

leftymo
11-01-2012, 03:33 PM
I'll take the freaKKKKKK

Greedy22
11-01-2012, 10:57 PM
Timmeh

SenorGato
11-04-2012, 04:48 PM
Give me Linceucm as well. Better athlete and clean bill of health with the arm.

Pinstripe pride
11-07-2012, 04:54 PM
double j

kokes
11-11-2012, 03:08 PM
JJ simply cause Lincecum's delivery is finally catching up with him so velocity will continure to drop, injuries will start to happen and he's simply just not a smart enough pitcher to get by without his velocity behind him

MetsFanatic19
11-11-2012, 10:53 PM
I gotta take Johnson.

jonnydanger1
11-12-2012, 12:55 AM
Give me the guy that won 2 cy youngs less than 5 years ago. Timmy was lights out in the postseason(relieving), so obviously he still has all his stuff he just needs to locate that fast ball.

kokes
11-12-2012, 12:09 PM
Give me the guy that won 2 cy youngs less than 5 years ago. Timmy was lights out in the postseason(relieving), so obviously he still has all his stuff he just needs to locate that fast ball.


I don't think Lince can go out there every 5 days and throw 7 innings anymore, not at the level he was performing at...it wasn't just 1 bad year, his velocity has been going down every year along with k/9 and bb/9...and $22mil is a little much for an 8 inning rp

leftymo
11-12-2012, 01:05 PM
I don't think Lince can go out there every 5 days and throw 7 innings anymore, not at the level he was performing at...it wasn't just 1 bad year, his velocity has been going down every year along with k/9 and bb/9...and $22mil is a little much for an 8 inning rp


I'd believe you if you were correct. Unfortunately your velocity statement is an error.

Offseason of 2010 Tim gained weight, he added velocity in 2011. Look it up. 2011 Offseason he lost weigh, he also lost velocity.

But velocity is nothing in this league, just see Barry Zito shutdown the Cardinals & Tigers.

Lincecum is still a starter, and still just fine. He wasn't prepared for the season, and it hurt him. Next year he'll be playing for a contract. If he's not a legit starter, then you'll have a point. But judging from the fact that he gave up 1 ER in the post-season from the pen, striking out pretty much everybody leads me to believe he's still legit.

leftymo
11-12-2012, 01:13 PM
JJ has pitched 200 IP just once in his career. This year Tim finished with 186, which was the only time he HASN'T pitched 200 besides his rookie year.

Lincecum as a reliever in the NLDS and World Series pitched 11 IP 1 ER and 16 K's. His stuff is still there, just one bad season as a starter vs. johnson's injury plagued up and down career???

C'mon man.

kokes
11-12-2012, 02:16 PM
If Johnson can stay healthy i think he will be better in the future. He has great pitches but odds are he'll get hurt again, so that's a BIG IF. Lincecums' delivery is VIOLENT, a power arm like his can't maintain that for long. I'll give it to Lince if this was asked 2+ years ago it would be him hands down, but IMO i just think it's finally catching up to him.

As far as his velocity, he came into the league throwing 94-95 now he's throwing 92 maybe. Doesn't look like a huge difference but hitters' in this league will tag 92 laughing if not located perfect, which Lincecum doesn't do.

Nomar
11-12-2012, 09:51 PM
The JJ

SenorGato
11-21-2012, 02:17 PM
Johnson has lost plenty of velocity himself.