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ikeryder13
10-11-2012, 12:33 PM
Honestly?

And dont just say it because ur a brooklyn fan....

Corey
10-11-2012, 12:37 PM
Nope.

Dwight, Bynum, KG, Hibbert, Al Horford, Al Jefferson, DeMarcus Cousins, Tim Duncan, Greg Monroe, Tyson Chandler, Joakim Noah, Marc Gasol.

(Not in that order, but you get the point)

Gram
10-11-2012, 12:42 PM
Yes.

Wait no.

jmoney85
10-11-2012, 12:43 PM
3rd

Manimal
10-11-2012, 12:46 PM
Duncan and KG are PF's.

Noah and Chandler don't have the same offensive output as Lopez. And although DeMarcus is more talented than Brook, he needs to mature.

Other than that I agree with your list:

Dwight
Bynum
Marc Gasol
Al Jefferson
Al Horford
Hibbert
Monroe

all better than Brook Lopez.

KB-Pau-DH2012
10-11-2012, 12:46 PM
He is the best.

strahan92osi72
10-11-2012, 12:47 PM
Ask Orlando, they seemed so high on him replacing Howard, LOL.

knicks=love
10-11-2012, 12:48 PM
DMF says so, so I guess it's true. :shrug:

nycericanguy
10-11-2012, 12:49 PM
No way, PSD doesn't even think he's top 10

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?t=758824

shep33
10-11-2012, 12:49 PM
No. I have nothing aginst Lopez, but I just think these guys are better:

Dwight
Bynum
Marc Gasol
Hibbert
Horford
Chandler
Big Al
Cousins

If you were to say rank offensive centers however, Brook would be near the top.

Stunner
10-11-2012, 12:52 PM
Noah > Lopez

Corey
10-11-2012, 12:54 PM
Duncan and KG are PF's.

Noah and Chandler don't have the same offensive output as Lopez. And although DeMarcus is more talented than Brook, he needs to mature.

Other than that I agree with your list:

Dwight
Bynum
Marc Gasol
Al Jefferson
Al Horford
Hibbert
Monroe

all better than Brook Lopez.considering both start at center...they're centers.

KG is Boston's starting center. Duncan is the Spurs starting center. As a result, they are centers.

Stunner
10-11-2012, 12:55 PM
Duncan and KG are centers at this stage of their careers

ThunderousDemon
10-11-2012, 01:02 PM
He's number one and two in the league. I just hope that Kareem works with Dwight so that Dwight might one day become the second best center in the league.

tbone2171
10-11-2012, 01:02 PM
Nope, but Pekovic will be after this year.

MonroeFAN
10-11-2012, 01:10 PM
I don't think so, but he's better than most people think he is on here.

Stunner
10-11-2012, 01:12 PM
I don't think so, but he's better than most people think he is on here.

cant rebound or defend well and can only score .....sounds like the center version of Nick Young lol

LongIslandIcedZ
10-11-2012, 01:12 PM
He's a very good offensive center, pretty unique offensive skillset.

Unforuntately he's a lousy rebounder, and a bad defender.

That equates to him not being a top 5 center, he's probably close to the general top 10 though.

lvlheaded
10-11-2012, 01:13 PM
Offensively? Yes. Overall? Nope, I don't know if I'd out him too ten:

Dwight, Bynum, Horford, Noah, Monroe, Hibbert, Chandler, Cousins, KG, Duncan

In no particular order, I'd rather have these guys than Lopez...but offensively he's definitely top 3-5

Im_in_Mia_bish
10-11-2012, 01:18 PM
of course not. i can name 5 out of my head.

Howard
Bynum
Gasol
Horford
Chandler

i can still go on..

Jefferson
Noah
Hibbert
Cousins


and I havent even included the "PF" who now play center (Bosh, KG, Duncan).

so to answer OP, duh of course not.

Im_in_Mia_bish
10-11-2012, 01:19 PM
He's basically a poor man's Stat (when Amare was in phoenix) lol

Hellcrooner
10-11-2012, 01:22 PM
If you leave the Power fowards that play center like tim, Kevin, Al, Pau out of the consideration he has a shot at being it.

IndyRealist
10-11-2012, 01:24 PM
If you believe defense and rebounding don't matter, then yes. Like a lot of guys, he absolutely has the tools to be top 5, he just doesn't do what it takes.

jmoney85
10-11-2012, 01:29 PM
cant rebound or defend well and can only score .....sounds like the center version of Nick Young lol

noah cant guard him... so I guess noah is irrelevant every time they play each other since noah can only play defense and rebound

IndyRealist
10-11-2012, 01:29 PM
If you leave the Power fowards that play center like tim, Kevin, Al, Pau out of the consideration he has a shot at being it.

Al Jefferson and Al Horford have played center their entire careers. Pau played center for most of his career.

2-ONE-5
10-11-2012, 01:33 PM
Gortat over Lopez too for me.

bosh is playin C this year too so add him to the list

Stunner
10-11-2012, 01:37 PM
noah cant guard him... so I guess noah is irrelevant every time they play each other since noah can only play defense and rebound

Noah does a lot more than Lopez, Rebounds , Defends , Hustles, Runs the floor better , Dribbles , Passes , has more heart . Noah offense is a lil underrated no his moves don't look polished but when Noah is on his game he can give you 15 and 12 boards with 2 assist and a block or 2 a night. I'll take that over Brook .

Im_in_Mia_bish
10-11-2012, 01:41 PM
Noah- 10 and 10 last year, and has a career average of 9 points and 9 rebounds.

Past 3 seasons he has rebounded 10 or more times, and he has played very good defense. mind you he played a total of 5 seasons in the league, and 3 of them he averaged 10 or more (last 3), and the first 2 seasons where he got less than 10 boards, he averaged 20-24 mins a game.
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Brook Lopez- 19 points and 4 boards last year lol, for some reason he has gotten worse year by year in rebounding.

from 8 rebounds in his first 2 to 5 2 years ago, and 4 last year, granted he played only 5 games, so can't read too much into that. he is a career 17 and 8 rebounds.

past 2 years, the guy is a joke at rebounding. End of discussion. let's see if it is a trend or not this season.

JerseysFinest
10-11-2012, 01:41 PM
Can't wait to see how this ends.

shep33
10-11-2012, 01:42 PM
I dunno how people say he's top 3. Marc Gasol is so good, probably the most underrated player in the game today. There is no way that Lopez > Gasol. Heck there are times when I think Gasol is the 2nd best big in the game, and I'm a big fan of Bynum.

Im_in_Mia_bish
10-11-2012, 01:43 PM
Noah is def one of the best passing big men in the league, without a doubt.

Gasol, Noah, Turiaf.

Robbw241
10-11-2012, 01:43 PM
I think he will after this year. Right now absolutely not.

29$JerZ
10-11-2012, 01:43 PM
Possibly the 13th to 15th best Center in the NBA.
Deserves no mention near Top 10.

JerseysFinest
10-11-2012, 01:45 PM
Noah- 10 and 10 last year, and has a career average of 9 points and 9 rebounds.

Past 3 seasons he has rebounded 10 or more times, and he has played very good defense. mind you he played a total of 5 seasons in the league, and 3 of them he averaged 10 or more (last 3), and the first 2 seasons where he got less than 10 boards, he averaged 20-24 mins a game.
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Brook Lopez- 19 points and 4 boards last year lol, for some reason he has gotten worse year by year in rebounding.

from 8 rebounds in his first 2 to 5 2 years ago, and 4 last year, granted he played only 5 games, so can't read too much into that. he is a career 17 and 8 rebounds.

past 2 years, the guy is a joke at rebounding. End of discussion. let's see if it is a trend or not this season.

You're argument is a bit flawed considering Lopez only played 5 games last season, while he was still injured. During the 2010-11 season, he was injured as well, and that was when his rebounding numbers really fell and people labelled him a soft player, bad rebounder, etc. When he's healthy, he truly isn't a bad rebounder. He just needs to stay healthy and be aggressive, and he'll prove a lot of his doubters wrong.

jmoney85
10-11-2012, 01:46 PM
Possibly the 13th to 15th best Center in the NBA.
Deserves no mention near Top 10.

:facepalm:

jmoney85
10-11-2012, 01:49 PM
this thread is full of funny

JerseysFinest
10-11-2012, 01:49 PM
:facepalm:

He's not lying. Brook hasn't proved thus far he is better than guys like Chandler, Gasol, Jefferson, Bynum, etc. He has to work hard to be in the top 10 conversation.

Im_in_Mia_bish
10-11-2012, 01:51 PM
You're argument is a bit flawed considering Lopez only played 5 games last season, while he was still injured. During the 2010-11 season, he was injured as well, and that was when his rebounding numbers really fell and people labelled him a soft player, bad rebounder, etc. When he's healthy, he truly isn't a bad rebounder. He just needs to stay healthy and be aggressive, and he'll prove a lot of his doubters wrong.

lol i did say "he only played 5 games so cant read too much into it"

but you are right, i am sure he is healthy currently, so hopefully this season we shall see if he improves or not.

TheIlladelph16
10-11-2012, 01:56 PM
No he is not. To suggest otherwise is an insult to Howard, Bynum, Gasol, Horford, Chandler, Noah, Gortat, Jefferson, Hibbert, Cousins (no particular order). Up to this point he has not proven he is better or more valuable than any of those guys. I'd love to see him take off this year because he is very talented, but he has to go out there and do it this year.

MonroeFAN
10-11-2012, 01:58 PM
cant rebound or defend well and can only score .....sounds like the center version of Nick Young lol

I know he can't rebound, but I think he's under-rated as a defender. Regardless, Howard, Bynum, Noah, Monroe, Cousins, Gasol, Chandler... who else? Actually, I forgot about Hibbert too. He very well may not be a top 10 center.

tnewkirk
10-11-2012, 02:00 PM
there should be a lot of people quoted if brook just kills it this year, which i think he will.

29$JerZ
10-11-2012, 02:01 PM
:facepalm:

Nice responce

Explain why he belongs anywhere near the top ten?

Especially when Dwight, Bynum, Horford, Gortat, Chandler, Monroe, Duncan and Garnett were clearly better than him last season and you have a whole new crop of guys getting better like Hibbert, McGee, Cousins. Not to mention guys who are already established like Noah.

jmoney85
10-11-2012, 02:16 PM
Nice responce

Explain why he belongs anywhere near the top ten?

Especially when Dwight, Bynum, Horford, Gortat, Chandler, Monroe, Duncan and Garnett were clearly better than him last season and you have a whole new crop of guys getting better like Hibbert, McGee, Cousins. Not to mention guys who are already established like Noah.

lol how were those guys better than lopez when lopez was hurt all season

Rockice_8
10-11-2012, 02:16 PM
Noah > Lopez

One of the biggest misconceptions in all of basketball.

It's hard to rank them but since I have to

1. Dwight
2. Bynum
3. Jefferson
4. Chandler
5. Lopez
6. Monroe
7. Hibbert
8. Gasol
9. Cousins (he's on the rise though if he can start taking better shots)
10. Noah

Left off Duncan, KG, and Horford cause they either are listed at PF (Duncan) or should be playing there naturally (KG/Horford).

Lopez will be right around 20 ppg/8rbs/a shade under 2 bpg/shooting over 50%. This year he plants himself firmly in the top 5.

29$JerZ
10-11-2012, 02:28 PM
lol how were those guys better than lopez when lopez was hurt all season

They produced and Lopez didn't. Don't drop the injury line otherwise Amar'e should still be a Top 5 PF which he no longer is.


You still didn't answer my question. Quit avoiding it.

justinnum1
10-11-2012, 02:53 PM
add bosh to the center who are better than lopez.

jmoney85
10-11-2012, 02:54 PM
They produced and Lopez didn't. Don't drop the injury line otherwise Amar'e should still be a Top 5 PF which he no longer is.


You still didn't answer my question. Quit avoiding it.

big difference between having 1 injury and being injury prone with 2 bad knees that can go at any moment

jmoney85
10-11-2012, 02:55 PM
there should be a lot of people quoted if brook just kills it this year, which i think he will.

dont worry, ill be on that

PlezPlayDKnicks
10-11-2012, 03:00 PM
add bosh to the center who are better than lopez.

Bosh isnt a center just like amare wasn't when he played there. They just occupy the slot. Lopez is a top 5 center when healthy

Metsboi69
10-11-2012, 03:05 PM
Listen I'm not some overzealous Nets fan, but to quote his rebounding numbers from last year when he was healthy for like 3 games is asinine. I get why most of you are putting Lopez down, probably because it's annoying as hell to keep hearing his name with people constantly making threads about him but the guy is arguably the best offensive center in the game.

Lopez has been disappointing rebounding the ball, is he a top rebounding C? No, but I think his struggles have a lot to do with him being pretty passive because Humphries is so aggressive on the boards, and the fact two years ago the guy came into the season 25+ pounds underweight due to mono. Before that he was a little below average rebounding, but after losing the weight seemed to really regress. He has put on a ton of weight/muscle the past year and a half and if his foot injuries are behind him the guy is going to take it to the next level this coming season. Does that mean top 3 center in the game IMO, but watch out.

DoMeFavors
10-11-2012, 03:10 PM
Laugh it up with all your jokes guys, Nov 1 after Lopez rips apart "DPOY" Tyson Chandler I will make this thread again, and I doubt there will be any jokes.

Get ready

Ebbs
10-11-2012, 03:14 PM
No he isn't. And people are nuts if they think he's better than Cousins.

JasonJohnHorn
10-11-2012, 03:14 PM
Let us say that I am a GM, and I am putting together a team and I get my choice of centers. The first to things I'm going to want my center to be able to do, aside from being healthy, is be able to play great defence, and be able to rebound the ball. In this league, those are the two most important thing that any center needs to be able to do.


So... with that in mind: No, Lopez is not a top five center. And for that matter, neither is Barngani.... and anybody who argues that Lopez is top five based on his offence, would have to concede that Barngani is right up there with him, and we all know he's not, so let's not even go there.

Hawkeye15
10-11-2012, 03:22 PM
As a complete center, absolutely not.

LongIslandIcedZ
10-11-2012, 03:23 PM
[QUOTE=Metsboi69;23910173]Listen I'm not some overzealous Nets fan, but to quote his rebounding numbers from last year when he was healthy for like 3 games is asinine. I get why most of you are putting Lopez down, probably because it's annoying as hell to keep hearing his name with people constantly making threads about him but the guy is arguably the best offensive center in the game.
QUOTE]

Agreed, he is not a good rebounder, however, citing last year as a reason is ludicrous. Guy barely played.

justinnum1
10-11-2012, 03:23 PM
Bosh isnt a center just like amare wasn't when he played there. They just occupy the slot. Lopez is a top 5 center when healthy

Bosh is playing center this year. Bosh actually plays D, unlike amare.

IndyRealist
10-11-2012, 03:27 PM
One of the biggest misconceptions in all of basketball.

It's hard to rank them but since I have to

1. Dwight
2. Bynum
3. Jefferson
4. Chandler
5. Lopez
6. Monroe
7. Hibbert
8. Gasol
9. Cousins (he's on the rise though if he can start taking better shots)
10. Noah

Left off Duncan, KG, and Horford cause they either are listed at PF (Duncan) or should be playing there naturally (KG/Horford).

Lopez will be right around 20 ppg/8rbs/a shade under 2 bpg/shooting over 50%. This year he plants himself firmly in the top 5.
If i ignore everything else in that list, Al Horford has always started at center for the Hawks, unless you think Josh Smith is a center. So, ignoring everything else he's still not top 5.

IndyRealist
10-11-2012, 03:30 PM
[QUOTE=Metsboi69;23910173]Listen I'm not some overzealous Nets fan, but to quote his rebounding numbers from last year when he was healthy for like 3 games is asinine. I get why most of you are putting Lopez down, probably because it's annoying as hell to keep hearing his name with people constantly making threads about him but the guy is arguably the best offensive center in the game.
QUOTE]

Agreed, he is not a good rebounder, however, citing last year as a reason is ludicrous. Guy barely played.

Thing is, he WAS a good per minute rebounder....as a rookie. But scoring gets you paid, so his rebounding has gone down each year.

jmoney85
10-11-2012, 03:35 PM
[QUOTE=LongIslandIcedZ;23910570]

Thing is, he WAS a good per minute rebounder....as a rookie. But scoring gets you paid, so his rebounding has gone down each year.

hard to play both ends when getting double teamed and being the only offensive weapon... now that he has surrounding players I would expect him to be a 15-16 ppg 8-9 rpg

AddiX
10-11-2012, 03:38 PM
Psd has an obsession w brook Lopez, that is growing bigger than mayo and Rudy Fernandez could of ever dreamed.

Stunner
10-11-2012, 03:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPBRhTQ31tM Noah > Lopez

Stunner
10-11-2012, 03:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fp3-K2jrlA Robin > Brook

knicksfan42
10-11-2012, 03:49 PM
We all ready did this:

1) Dwight Howard
2) Andrew Bynum
3) Kevin Garnett
4) Marc Gasol
5) Tim Duncan
6) Tyson Chandler
7) Al Horford
8) Al Jefferson
9) Roy Hibbert
10) DeMarcus Cousins

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?t=758824

Forget top 5 Lopez may not have been voted top 15.

Stunner
10-11-2012, 03:58 PM
We all ready did this:

1) Dwight Howard
2) Andrew Bynum
3) Kevin Garnett
4) Marc Gasol
5) Tim Duncan
6) Tyson Chandler
7) Al Horford
8) Al Jefferson
9) Roy Hibbert
10) DeMarcus Cousins

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?t=758824

Forget top 5 Lopez may not have been voted top 15.

Lmaoooo

jmoney85
10-11-2012, 04:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPBRhTQ31tM Noah > Lopez

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=lopezbr01&p2=noahjo01

maddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

IndyRealist
10-11-2012, 04:05 PM
[QUOTE=IndyRealist;23910678]

hard to play both ends when getting double teamed and being the only offensive weapon... now that he has surrounding players I would expect him to be a 15-16 ppg 8-9 rpg

Just stating the facts. He was actually a decent rebounder at one point, and has declined each year. Could he bounce back? Sure. Will he? Depends on what motivation he gets. He got max money with declining rebounding, so there isn't much reason to believe he'll suddenly "get it" and improve.

D2theJ
10-11-2012, 04:06 PM
I say yes, and not just because I'm a Nets fan.

People always say "oh he can't play defense and he can't rebound", but even if that is true the guys is THE BEST OFFENSIVE CENTER IN THE NBA.

If you're the best in the NBA at your position at scoring then that is going to outweigh some of your negatives. He's not that bad at defense he is average, not below average.

If he can average 8+ rebounds a game he is a top 5 easily.

Id say

1. Howard
2. Bynum
3. Marc Gasol
4. Lopez
5. Hibbert

If Lopez can up his rebounding numbers this year I think hes better than Gasol. The guys can beat you in the post, with the jumper and from the line.

I honestly don't think Chandler and Noah are great defensively. Are they very good? sure, but I don't think their defense is as good as Lopez's offense so I think he's better than them. The only great defensive center in this league is Howard.

D2theJ
10-11-2012, 04:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPBRhTQ31tM Noah > Lopez

Woah he dunked over him one time? He must be better the better player.

Stunner
10-11-2012, 04:11 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=lopezbr01&p2=noahjo01

maddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

Noah 6-3 > Lopez 3-6

netsgiantsyanks
10-11-2012, 04:12 PM
yeah, best center the league has ever seen.

Stunner
10-11-2012, 04:12 PM
Woah he dunked over him one time? He must be better the better player.

I'm obviously trolling Lopez , The fact Noah is ranked ahead of Lopez the last three years I see they agree they rather have Noah than Lopez on their team.

Stunner
10-11-2012, 04:13 PM
Scoring gets you paid , defense gets you wins.

Blitzbolt
10-11-2012, 04:18 PM
Marc Gasol is the best C in the NBA D12 is just to athletic and Bynum just to big but MGasol has the best skill and overall game.

Da Knicks
10-11-2012, 04:35 PM
not even a top 10 center imo, plays like a sf.

Hawkeye15
10-11-2012, 04:35 PM
Marc Gasol is the best C in the NBA D12 is just to athletic and Bynum just to big but MGasol has the best skill and overall game.

But isn't athletic ability and size something that helps a basketball player? Sorry, Gasol is good, but he is a step down from D12 and Bynum.

jericho
10-11-2012, 04:38 PM
Duncan and KG are PF's.

Noah and Chandler don't have the same offensive output as Lopez. And although DeMarcus is more talented than Brook, he needs to mature.

Other than that I agree with your list:

Dwight
Bynum
Marc Gasol
Al Jefferson
Al Horford
Hibbert
Monroe

all better than Brook Lopez.

the defensive output that both of them provide is better than the ofensive output that lopez provides

jmoney85
10-11-2012, 04:44 PM
the defensive output that both of them provide is better than the ofensive output that lopez provides

couldnt be more false.... much harder to score 20 ppg than to play good defense

DoMeFavors
10-11-2012, 04:46 PM
not even a top 10 center imo, plays like a sf.

He does nothing like a small foward, do SFs post up majority of the time?

29$JerZ
10-11-2012, 05:01 PM
Laugh it up with all your jokes guys, Nov 1 after Lopez rips apart "DPOY" Tyson Chandler I will make this thread again, and I doubt there will be any jokes.

Get ready

And when Tyson outplays him you will be no where to be found.
No one is joking here. Everyone is serious when they say Lopez isn't a top 5 Center. If he is fully healthy than maybe he can round out the Top 10 center list but that's that.

jericho
10-11-2012, 05:02 PM
there should be a lot of people quoted if brook just kills it this year, which i think he will.

the only thing that would mean is that he put in the work to be a top 10 center but as of rite now he just isnt

koreancabbage
10-11-2012, 05:08 PM
He does nothing like a small foward, do SFs post up majority of the time?

do good centers play no defense? can't rebound?

and yes, good SFs do post up a lot of times - unfortunately, there aren't many good SFs.

Max.This
10-11-2012, 05:10 PM
He's not quite there, stop letting shaq get in your head

jericho
10-11-2012, 05:20 PM
I say yes, and not just because I'm a Nets fan.

People always say "oh he can't play defense and he can't rebound", but even if that is true the guys is THE BEST OFFENSIVE CENTER IN THE NBA.

If you're the best in the NBA at your position at scoring then that is going to outweigh some of your negatives. He's not that bad at defense he is average, not below average.

If he can average 8+ rebounds a game he is a top 5 easily.

Id say

1. Howard
2. Bynum
3. Marc Gasol
4. Lopez
5. Hibbert

If Lopez can up his rebounding numbers this year I think hes better than Gasol. The guys can beat you in the post, with the jumper and from the line.

I honestly don't think Chandler and Noah are great defensively. Are they very good? sure, but I don't think their defense is as good as Lopez's offense so I think he's better than them. The only great defensive center in this league is Howard.

does that argument work with melo 2???? no it doesnt

jericho
10-11-2012, 05:25 PM
couldnt be more false.... much harder to score 20 ppg than to play good defense

but defense wins championships and like somebody else said scoring just gets you paid

IndyRealist
10-11-2012, 05:28 PM
couldnt be more false.... much harder to score 20 ppg than to play good defense

That is untrue. It's easy to score 20ppg. Take a lot of shots. when you play next to Hump, you're going to get all the post touches. What's difficult is trying to convince a max money guy that he needs to play D and rebound.

jmoney85
10-11-2012, 05:50 PM
I dont get where people say lopez doesnt play ANY defense... obviously people dont watch him play

Stunner
10-11-2012, 05:52 PM
I dont get where people say lopez doesnt play ANY defense... obviously people dont watch him play

if he plays defense maybe he should put that effort into getting more rebounds , that plays a part in " defense " i would think.

jmoney85
10-11-2012, 05:53 PM
if he plays defense maybe he should put that effort into getting more rebounds , that plays a part in " defense " i would think.

no its not

Stunner
10-11-2012, 05:54 PM
no its not

defensive rebounding ?

Showtime Steve
10-11-2012, 05:57 PM
No.but he is good. He is just so damn boring lol

Stunner
10-11-2012, 05:58 PM
I remember when people compared him to Tim Duncan ;/

Gormans Mic
10-11-2012, 06:04 PM
He has a very nice offensive game but often brings the rebounding and shot blocking of a SF. Until he becomes a better rebounder and defender, I don't even say top 10

Knicks21
10-11-2012, 06:04 PM
couldnt be more false.... much harder to score 20 ppg than to play good defense

I disagree 100%, many players in the league can score 20ppg when the offence is run through them. Ask any coach who he would rather have.

knicks=love
10-11-2012, 06:05 PM
I say yes, and not just because I'm a Nets fan.

People always say "oh he can't play defense and he can't rebound", but even if that is true the guys is THE BEST OFFENSIVE CENTER IN THE NBA.

If you're the best in the NBA at your position at scoring then that is going to outweigh some of your negatives. He's not that bad at defense he is average, not below average.

If he can average 8+ rebounds a game he is a top 5 easily.

Id say

1. Howard
2. Bynum
3. Marc Gasol
4. Lopez
5. Hibbert

If Lopez can up his rebounding numbers this year I think hes better than Gasol. The guys can beat you in the post, with the jumper and from the line.

I honestly don't think Chandler and Noah are great defensively. Are they very good? sure, but I don't think their defense is as good as Lopez's offense so I think he's better than them. The only great defensive center in this league is Howard.

so then melo is top 5 in the league because his offense outweighs his defense..

see what i did there?

D12 fan
10-11-2012, 06:12 PM
Brook Lopez=lol

The goods
10-11-2012, 06:19 PM
I'd take these guys in no particular order

Howard
Bynum
Hibbert
Noah
Marc Gasol.

Over him easily, anyone else is debatable, but with D. Will and him being healthy I expect him to be better than Hibbert, but until proven otherwise no.

ThunderousDemon
10-11-2012, 06:27 PM
Top 5 centers in the league according to DoMeFavors.

1.Brook Lopez

2.Brook Lopez

3.Dwight Howard

4.Andrew Bynum

5.Brook Lopez

Lake_Show2416
10-11-2012, 06:28 PM
Robin Lopez is, not Brook lol

Bynum
Robin
Dwight

I'll give Brook a top 10 spot at center, he's good but the 1st 2 things i want from my center is defense & rebounding, he just doesnt have that right now

knicks=love
10-11-2012, 06:30 PM
Robin Lopez is, not Brook lol

Bynum
Robin
Dwight

I'll give Brook a top 10 spot at center, he's good but the 1st 2 things i want from my center is defense & rebounding, he just doesnt have that right now

please tell me you're kidding.

maddBat
10-11-2012, 06:32 PM
not right now but has the skill to be.

abe_froman
10-11-2012, 06:36 PM
center is the position where defense is most valued(outside of fantasy leagues),and since that's his biggest weakness he'll always be on outside looking in until he becomes better at it.so no,he isnt even in the top 10

Lake_Show2416
10-11-2012, 06:38 PM
please tell me you're kidding.

fortunately i am, that's wut Shaq said when he mistakenly called Brook, Robin on NBA court.

obviously

Dwight
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Bynum
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jericho
10-11-2012, 06:40 PM
so then melo is top 5 in the league because his offense outweighs his defense..

see what i did there?

hey i just said the same thing 2 lol oh and alex morgan :worthy:

jmoney85
10-11-2012, 06:44 PM
I disagree 100%, many players in the league can score 20ppg when the offence is run through them. Ask any coach who he would rather have.

So you're telling me every coach would take tony allen over brook lopez?

jmoney85
10-11-2012, 06:46 PM
so then melo is top 5 in the league because his offense outweighs his defense..

see what i did there?

melo is a top 5 sf... soooo whats your point?

knicks=love
10-11-2012, 06:49 PM
melo is a top 5 sf... soooo whats your point?

no i said top 5 in the league.. not top 5 SF. he's claiming that since brook is a top 5 C and brook's offense is so good, it outweighs the negatives of his game like rebounding and defense. so i said melo is a top 5 player because his offense outweighs his defense.

knicks=love
10-11-2012, 06:51 PM
So you're telling me every coach would take tony allen over brook lopez?

i'd rather have tony allen..

jmoney85
10-11-2012, 06:54 PM
no i said top 5 in the league.. not top 5 SF. he's claiming that since brook is a top 5 C and brook's offense is so good, it outweighs the negatives of his game like rebounding and defense. so i said melo is a top 5 player because his offense outweighs his defense.

but nobody is saying brook is a top 5 player in the league so your logic is moot

jmoney85
10-11-2012, 06:55 PM
i'd rather have tony allen..

that says a lot

knicks=love
10-11-2012, 07:02 PM
but nobody is saying brook is a top 5 player in the league so your logic is moot

the guy said he was a top 4 center in the league.. every hear of making comparisons? :facepalm:


that says a lot

tony allen is a top 3 on ball perimeter defender in the league and brook lopez isn't even remotely close to being a top defender at his position. i wouldn't even take him in the top 15 at his position.

Hawkeye15
10-11-2012, 07:11 PM
So, read through 8 pages. Can't find a single rational reason to rate Lopez in the top 6-7 centers in the league. And with Davis entering, and my boy Pekovic improving, along with Cousins about to become elite, as well as a few other staples, I can't see Lopez moving up unless he realizes that he needs to defend and rebound. Scoring 19 a night is far easier than asserting yourself as a rebounder and defender.

maddBat
10-11-2012, 07:12 PM
whats with the brook lopez threads? this is prob the 3rd 1 ive seen all week. coming from a nets fan. no hes not top 5 probably not even top 10. he has alot to prove especially coming back form injury. chill with the brook lopez bait threads

Hawkeye15
10-11-2012, 07:18 PM
whats with the brook lopez threads? this is prob the 3rd 1 ive seen all week. coming from a nets fan. no hes not top 5 probably not even top 10. he has alot to prove especially coming back form injury. chill with the brook lopez bait threads

love the sig dude.

I don't know. I guess its because a bunch of new posters signed up from NY with the additions. I don't know honestly. The Nets fans who have great reps here almost never bite on these threads, so whatever.

DR_1
10-11-2012, 07:22 PM
Nice to see Noah getting recognized. I feel like Hibbert should be a bit more respected. The C position is tough too rank tho.

O ya I agree w/JerZ, Lopez is like 15ish

jmoney85
10-11-2012, 07:34 PM
I find it funny that people say that lopez is 15ish for centers

tell me any other player that scores 20ppg at their respective position and be ranked 15th lol

HotMayo
10-11-2012, 07:38 PM
Nope Nope Nope Nope

Drummond > Lopez

jericho
10-11-2012, 07:42 PM
I find it funny that people say that lopez is 15ish for centers

tell me any other player that scores 20ppg at their respective position and be ranked 15th lol

havent you figured out that almost everybody even some nets fan i saw 1 thru all the thread say the same thing. while lopez is good he hasnt been that good for a couple of yrs. he has the potential to be top 10 even top 5 but he has to get some rebounds and play some D. as of now he is not there at all but coming next season with that team the nets have he has all the tools to shut a lot of people up. now its up to him to do that

ps scoring isnt everything

jmoney85
10-11-2012, 07:44 PM
havent you figured out that almost everybody even some nets fan i saw 1 thru all the thread say the same thing. while lopez is good he hasnt been that good for a couple of yrs. he has the potential to be top 10 even top 5 but he has to get some rebounds and play some D. as of now he is not there at all but coming next season with that team the nets have he has all the tools to shut a lot of people up. now its up to him to do that

ps scoring isnt everything

ps playing defense and rebounding isnt everything

Ty Fast
10-11-2012, 07:47 PM
maybe in a high school leauge

abe_froman
10-11-2012, 07:48 PM
I find it funny that people say that lopez is 15ish for centers

tell me any other player that scores 20ppg at their respective position and be ranked 15th lol

its because its a position were scoring doesnt matter as much and rebounding/defense are the most valued attributes of a center,something he is lacking in.so while its nice he can score 20ppg,scoring production is just a nice secondary or thrid thought...its like having icing on the cake without the cake,all filler with no substance

DoMeFavors
10-11-2012, 07:50 PM
So, read through 8 pages. Can't find a single rational reason to rate Lopez in the top 6-7 centers in the league. And with Davis entering, and my boy Pekovic improving, along with Cousins about to become elite, as well as a few other staples, I can't see Lopez moving up unless he realizes that he needs to defend and rebound. Scoring 19 a night is far easier than asserting yourself as a rebounder and defender.

Cousins in going to become elite? look at the fg%

KnickaBocka.44
10-11-2012, 07:52 PM
Cousins in going to become elite? look at the fg%

It improved last year, whats your point?

Hawkeye15
10-11-2012, 07:53 PM
Cousins in going to become elite? look at the fg%

Yeah, seen it. Do you know why his % is there? Also, should we start talking about rebound rates between Cousins and your boy? That will get scary quick.

jmoney85
10-11-2012, 07:58 PM
its because its a position were scoring doesnt matter as much and rebounding/defense are the most valued attributes of a center,something he is lacking in.so while its nice he can score 20ppg,scoring production is just a nice secondary or thrid thought...its like having icing on the cake without the cake,all filler with no substance

utter nonsense... same can be said for scoring PG's that dont have a lot of assists... but people still consider westbrook a top 5 pg and thats a very deep position

jericho
10-11-2012, 08:22 PM
ps playing defense and rebounding isnt everything

it is when your position is center

jmoney85
10-11-2012, 08:36 PM
it is when your position is center

who made that rule?

DoMeFavors
10-11-2012, 08:44 PM
Shaq agrees with me

D2theJ
10-11-2012, 08:51 PM
does that argument work with melo 2???? no it doesnt

Is Melo not a top 5 small forward?

D2theJ
10-11-2012, 08:52 PM
so then melo is top 5 in the league because his offense outweighs his defense..

see what i did there?

Isn't he? I think most people would say Melo is a top 5 small forward.

jericho
10-11-2012, 09:05 PM
who made that rule?

it aint a rule its something that you need to be a championship type of player a top player in this league
anyways instead of just arguing bout it and giving us nothing on why is a top player how bout you just give us something besides his offense on why he is there
again i aint saying he is bad or nothing im just saying that he has to work his *** off to get there wich aint a bad thing a lot of players do that he already has his offensive side covered now work on the rest

jericho
10-11-2012, 09:06 PM
Is Melo not a top 5 small forward?

well atleast melo plays some d............ oh cmon who im i kidding he has to prove himself on that side 2 lmao

jericho
10-11-2012, 09:07 PM
Shaq agrees with me

shaq doesnt think b4 he talks

Mile High Champ
10-11-2012, 09:09 PM
PSD already voted and said he has no business in the top 10.

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?t=758824

Thread CLOSED.

Knicks21
10-11-2012, 09:11 PM
Is Melo not a top 5 small forward?

I think i see where you are getting at, and it is nowhere near relevant.

IndyRealist
10-11-2012, 10:28 PM
who made that rule?

It's called opportunity cost. By playing a center major minutes that doesn't rebound or defend well, you are giving up rebounds and D that you would otherwise get from even an average center, let alone a max money center. Centers generally anchor the paint and collect a lot of rebounds, so you give that up with Lopez. That means his offense had better be all-star level or better to compensate. Otherwise you're throwing away production from that position. It's not a rule, it's a function of how the game is played.

knicks=love
10-11-2012, 11:13 PM
Isn't he? I think most people would say Melo is a top 5 small forward.

i didn't say SF.. i said top 5 in the LEAGUE. meaning among all players.

DoMeFavors
10-11-2012, 11:23 PM
i didn't say SF.. i said top 5 in the LEAGUE. meaning among all players.

I dont think so

PleaseBeNice
10-11-2012, 11:26 PM
LMAO. No.

PleaseBeNice
10-11-2012, 11:27 PM
Yeah, seen it. Do you know why his % is there? Also, should we start talking about rebound rates between Cousins and your boy? That will get scary quick.

:clap:

jmoney85
10-11-2012, 11:48 PM
It's called opportunity cost. By playing a center major minutes that doesn't rebound or defend well, you are giving up rebounds and D that you would otherwise get from even an average center, let alone a max money center. Centers generally anchor the paint and collect a lot of rebounds, so you give that up with Lopez. That means his offense had better be all-star level or better to compensate. Otherwise you're throwing away production from that position. It's not a rule, it's a function of how the game is played.

#1 it doesnt matter how 1 person rebounds if the TEAM can rebound well

#2 the same thing should apply to score 1st PG's... PG's are suppose to distribute the ball to the other players... So I guess rose and westbrook arent top 5 PG's because they dont pass first

WhoAmI-
10-11-2012, 11:54 PM
Top 5 center?

He's a 7 footer that averages about 7 rebounds per game...

29$JerZ
10-11-2012, 11:56 PM
#1 it doesnt matter how 1 person rebounds if the TEAM can rebound well

#2 the same thing should apply to score 1st PG's... PG's are suppose to distribute the ball to the other players... So I guess rose and westbrook arent top 5 PG's because they dont pass first

Having your tallest player on the court the furthest away from the basket is not helping you win any rebounding battles.

PG's are supports to generate points in general. The traditional PG simply set up others but the league has evolved to where generating your own offense coincides with setting up others.

benzni
10-11-2012, 11:57 PM
no he is not. Weak on D, needs to up his rebounds.

Still a great offensive center.

WhoAmI-
10-11-2012, 11:58 PM
#1 it doesnt matter how 1 person rebounds if the TEAM can rebound well



The problem is that the team doesn't even rebound well. Close to last in rebounding in the league. :facepalm:

koreancabbage
10-11-2012, 11:59 PM
#1 it doesnt matter how 1 person rebounds if the TEAM can rebound well

#2 the same thing should apply to score 1st PG's... PG's are suppose to distribute the ball to the other players... So I guess rose and westbrook arent top 5 PG's because they dont pass first

then lets not say he's a top center then if he can't do the job correctly. he can't play defense and he can't rebound. if his team needs to compensate for his weakness, then how would he be a top 5 center??? :confused:

only true pass first Pg would be Nash and Chris paul. even if Nash + Paul were rated 1st and 2nd in terms of PG, Rose and Westbrook would come 3rd and 4th (just for argument sake that this is the case)

the fact the other centers can do the job better keeps Lopez down in the ratings. They might not be a scoring prowess like a Lope but they aren't so far behind like how Lopez is behind in defense and rebounding.

DoMeFavors
10-12-2012, 12:04 AM
So say if Lopez did EXACTLY what he does now but AVG 10 rebounds a game, I doubt any of you would give him the credit he deserves...would he be a top 3 C because of that?

koreancabbage
10-12-2012, 12:04 AM
So say if Lopez did EXACTLY what he does now but AVG 10 rebounds a game, I doubt any of you would give him the credit he deserves...would he be a top 3 C because of that?

he would be a top 3 center.

even better maybe. if he played defense and avg'd 10+ boards, he might even be the best.

thats how far he in behind in boards and defense.

BKLYNpigeon
10-12-2012, 12:13 AM
Theres not many Centers in the NBA who can average close to 20 points a game and is 24 years old. he's got 4 more years to enter his prime.

is he top 5? maybe but whats the difference from top 5 or top 7? not much...

enough with the Lopez threads already, every month is the same thread...

DoMeFavors
10-12-2012, 12:22 AM
Theres not many Centers in the NBA who can average close to 20 points a game and is 24 years old. he's got 4 more years to enter his prime.

is he top 5? maybe but whats the difference from top 5 or top 7? not much...

enough with the Lopez threads already, every month is the same thread...

Easily one of the most hated players in the NBA, when he is one of the nicest players in the league. But players who have been involved with gang activity, drugs, rape, other terrible acts are praised.

Lopez is a guy who likes reading comic books and is one of the nicest players in the league, but people just seem to hate his guts on here.

jericho
10-12-2012, 12:24 AM
Theres not many Centers in the NBA who can average close to 20 points a game and is 24 years old. he's got 4 more years to enter his prime.

is he top 5? maybe but whats the difference from top 5 or top 7? not much...

enough with the Lopez threads already, every month is the same thread...

The thing is that as of rite now he isn't top 5 or top 7 he has the potential to be at the top hell like someone else said if he produces the way he is capable on offense and grabs 10+ Rebs with avg D who could be the best but as off rite now he is on the outside looking in of the top 10

BKLYNpigeon
10-12-2012, 12:28 AM
The thing is that as of rite now he isn't top 5 or top 7 he has the potential to be at the top hell like someone else said if he produces the way he is capable on offense and grabs 10+ Rebs with avg D who could be the best but as off rite now he is on the outside looking in of the top 10

He's 24 years old and will only get better..

jericho
10-12-2012, 12:30 AM
Theres not many Centers in the NBA who can average close to 20 points a game and is 24 years old. he's got 4 more years to enter his prime.

is he top 5? maybe but whats the difference from top 5 or top 7? not much...

enough with the Lopez threads already, every month is the same thread...

Easily one of the most hated players in the NBA, when he is one of the nicest players in the league. But players who have been involved with gang activity, drugs, rape, other terrible acts are praised.

Lopez is a guy who likes reading comic books and is one of the nicest players in the league, but people just seem to hate his guts on here.

Who is talking bout hate over here?? Just cuz we are saying that he doesn't play D and grabs rebounds that's hating on someone that's stupidity at its finest the 1 that made everybody else over here on psd talk **** bout him over here is you with your homerism I do like Lopez and the fact that he likes comic books even more now but you keep on making everybody else trash him cuz you just don't know when to quite
Idk why I'm trying this is like talking to a wall

jericho
10-12-2012, 12:31 AM
The thing is that as of rite now he isn't top 5 or top 7 he has the potential to be at the top hell like someone else said if he produces the way he is capable on offense and grabs 10+ Rebs with avg D who could be the best but as off rite now he is on the outside looking in of the top 10

He's 24 years old and will only get better..

That's the scary part just imagine if he can pull it together

DoMeFavors
10-12-2012, 12:33 AM
Who is talking bout hate over here?? Just cuz we are saying that he doesn't play D and grabs rebounds that's hating on someone that's stupidity at its finest the 1 that made everybody else over here on psd talk **** bout him over here is you with your homerism I do like Lopez and the fact that he likes comic books even more now but you keep on making everybody else trash him cuz you just don't know when to quite
Idk why I'm trying this is like talking to a wall

Are you "everyone" I have heard a lot of people talk about Lopez in derogatory terms. You should read some of the things people say.
And thats crazy there are so many Nets fans but because of ONE fan they all hate one someone, and talk down on him because of me?

jmoney85
10-12-2012, 12:40 AM
The problem is that the team doesn't even rebound well. Close to last in rebounding in the league. :facepalm:

yea the nets werent a good team... I never said they were a good rebounding team... I said if the team rebounds it doesnt matter what his individual rebounding numbers are.... learn to read

jericho
10-12-2012, 12:40 AM
Who is talking bout hate over here?? Just cuz we are saying that he doesn't play D and grabs rebounds that's hating on someone that's stupidity at its finest the 1 that made everybody else over here on psd talk **** bout him over here is you with your homerism I do like Lopez and the fact that he likes comic books even more now but you keep on making everybody else trash him cuz you just don't know when to quite
Idk why I'm trying this is like talking to a wall

Are you "everyone" I have heard a lot of people talk about Lopez in derogatory terms. You should read some of the things people say.
And thats crazy there are so many Nets fans but because of ONE fan they all hate one someone, and talk down on him because of me?

Pretty much yeah I haven't you seen how people react to your posts if you put a lil bit just a lil bit of your homerism aside I believe they would try to be a lol bit more objective towards your team you have to take the good with the bad and be subjective bout cuz while your team is gonna suck at D they are gonna be a juggernaut on offense so criticism is gonna come learn how to take it and move on

DoMeFavors
10-12-2012, 12:43 AM
Pretty much yeah I haven't you seen how people react to your posts if you put a lil bit just a lil bit of your homerism aside I believe they would try to be a lol bit more objective towards your team you have to take the good with the bad and be subjective bout cuz while your team is gonna suck at D they are gonna be a juggernaut on offense so criticism is gonna come learn how to take it and move on

Well there are a lot of Nets fans in the world, there are confident fans like me in every sport for every team. So why dont half these people do it to those teams? And I disagree Nets will have a good defense this year, mark my words.

jericho
10-12-2012, 12:49 AM
Pretty much yeah I haven't you seen how people react to your posts if you put a lil bit just a lil bit of your homerism aside I believe they would try to be a lol bit more objective towards your team you have to take the good with the bad and be subjective bout cuz while your team is gonna suck at D they are gonna be a juggernaut on offense so criticism is gonna come learn how to take it and move on

Well there are a lot of Nets fans in the world, there are confident fans like me in every sport for every team. So why dont half these people do it to those teams? And I disagree Nets will have a good defense this year, mark my words.

Well good luck to ya can't wait for those Knicks vs nets games I wish we had shumpert back already :-( that's the only knick I like

DoMeFavors
10-12-2012, 12:52 AM
Well good luck to ya can't wait for those Knicks vs nets games I wish we had shumpert back already :-( that's the only knick I like

Oh Knick fan I see, yeah but you might not like him after he has to guard Joe who is much bigger than him. Atleast they will have players from both teams worth watching, that Knick vs Wiz game was boring the Wiz team looked like a joke.

WhoAmI-
10-12-2012, 01:00 AM
yea the nets werent a good team... I never said they were a good rebounding team... I said if the team rebounds it doesnt matter what his individual rebounding numbers are.... learn to read

I never said that you said they were a good rebounding team.. It was just an example I wanted to throw out in my post. Learn to read :rolleyes:

WhoAmI-
10-12-2012, 01:01 AM
Oh Knick fan I see, yeah but you might not like him after he has to guard Joe who is much bigger than him. Atleast they will have players from both teams worth watching, that Knick vs Wiz game was boring the Wiz team looked like a joke.

Woodson coached Joe, so he knows his game.

DoMeFavors
10-12-2012, 01:08 AM
Woodson coached Joe, so he knows his game.

Different plays, different system and any person who watches films knows players games.
Nobody is scared of Mike Woodson the guy is an awful coach.

Rndy
10-12-2012, 01:15 AM
He needs to stay healthy and show some heart on the boards. I don't buy the whole Hump takes all his rebound bs. There are great rebounders in this league that have teammates that also have 16+ trb%

top 5 center talent wise but he needs to perform on the court.

Knicks21
10-12-2012, 01:23 AM
Different plays, different system and any person who watches films knows players games.
Nobody is scared of Mike Woodson the guy is an awful coach.

Plays an extremely large part in creating one of the best defences of all time.... Labeled an awful coach.

LA_Raiders
10-12-2012, 01:43 AM
Top 7-10

Evolution23
10-12-2012, 01:50 AM
Brook Lopez is the top 5 doofy center in the league.

N3TS
10-12-2012, 01:56 AM
No, Just off the top of my head these players are better: Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum, DeMarcus Cousins, Greg Monroe, Marc Gasol, Roy Hibbert, Tim Duncan and Garnett, although to me Garnett is still best used as a 4.

thechom80
10-12-2012, 02:00 AM
He's not even top 5 on his team. I'm sure they don't even have 5 centers on Nets either. I'm kidding....or...am...

No, he isn't.

basketfan4life
10-12-2012, 09:05 AM
Nope, but Pekovic will be after this year.

that brunette chick on your avatar. Oh my, can't take my eyes off from that little picture.

DR_1
10-12-2012, 11:58 AM
PSD already voted and said he has no business in the top 10.

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?t=758824

Thread CLOSED.

Or not...

knicks=love
10-12-2012, 12:31 PM
Oh Knick fan I see, yeah but you might not like him after he has to guard Joe who is much bigger than him. Atleast they will have players from both teams worth watching, that Knick vs Wiz game was boring the Wiz team looked like a joke.

Ariza was the only starter that actually started the game. Beal played extremely well in my eyes and those were the only two relevant players that played due to the injury bug that hit the wizards this year. They'll be sniffing the 8th spot this year.

xxplayerxx23
10-12-2012, 01:51 PM
Lopez proved he can score with the best of them but his lack of rebounding and defense has him just outside the top 10 for me
In no order
Dwight, Bynum,Gasol,KG,TimmyD,Bosh(Playing center this year I think) Chandler Al jeff Cousins Monroe and Noah.

WAYNEBO
10-12-2012, 03:10 PM
Are you "everyone" I have heard a lot of people talk about Lopez in derogatory terms. You should read some of the things people say.
And thats crazy there are so many Nets fans but because of ONE fan they all hate one someone, and talk down on him because of me?

Um, pretty much yeah.

Fan confidence + DMF = Homerism≥

D2theJ
10-12-2012, 03:39 PM
i didn't say SF.. i said top 5 in the LEAGUE. meaning among all players.

You people don't get what I'm saying though. To your point there are soo many star small forwards in the league today that can score (Lebron, Durant, Melo, Gay, Granger, Pierce) but as far as centers go there aren't. The question is about centers not the entire league.

And for centers the only ones that can put up 20 any given night are Lopez, Howard and Bynum...

Thats why I think his offense makes him so elite, there are no other centers in this league that have pure scoring ability like him, and the only ones that can put up points like him are Bynum and Howard.

Thats why to me he is a top 5 center. He dominates in every scoring category whether its points, FT%, FG%, hitting jumpers, hook shots or whatever. If he averages 8 rebounds, plays his normal average defense, then his elite scoring will push him to a top 3 center in this league.

Vinny642
10-12-2012, 03:41 PM
He is underrated but idk, idk what people consider a C as compared to a PF but I find him in the 4-7 area

knicks=love
10-12-2012, 04:02 PM
You people don't get what I'm saying though. To your point there are soo many star small forwards in the league today that can score (Lebron, Durant, Melo, Gay, Granger, Pierce) but as far as centers go there aren't. The question is about centers not the entire league.

ok but the SF position is typically a position consisting scorers more than a defending or rebounding type of player.


And for centers the only ones that can put up 20 any given night are Lopez, Howard and Bynum...

Thats why I think his offense makes him so elite, there are no other centers in this league that have pure scoring ability like him, and the only ones that can put up points like him are Bynum and Howard.

howard and bynum have a defensive game to back up their scoring, which is why they're elite since they can backup their play on BOTH sides of the ball. lopez, however, can't back up his scoring with defense or even rebounding. being a 7 footer and you can't defend the rim or even grab a rebound for that matter says a lot.


Thats why to me he is a top 5 center. He dominates in every scoring category whether its points, FT%, FG%, hitting jumpers, hook shots or whatever. If he averages 8 rebounds, plays his normal average defense, then his elite scoring will push him to a top 3 center in this league.

in today's game, centers are used for a defensive aspect more than scoring. since it's a PG, SG, and SF scoring type of league, centers aren't leaned on for putting up 20 ppg so it's irrelevant and that's why the nets haven't had a great frontcourt with lopez at C defensively. bynum and dwight are the only 2 real centers that are capable of putting up 20/10 on any given night. it's a reach for another center to put up those numbers, you'll either get more rebounds than points (chandler) or more points than rebounds (lopez).

DoMeFavors
10-12-2012, 04:41 PM
ok but the SF position is typically a position consisting scorers more than a defending or rebounding type of player.



howard and bynum have a defensive game to back up their scoring, which is why they're elite since they can backup their play on BOTH sides of the ball. lopez, however, can't back up his scoring with defense or even rebounding. being a 7 footer and you can't defend the rim or even grab a rebound for that matter says a lot.



in today's game, centers are used for a defensive aspect more than scoring. since it's a PG, SG, and SF scoring type of league, centers aren't leaned on for putting up 20 ppg so it's irrelevant and that's why the nets haven't had a great frontcourt with lopez at C defensively. bynum and dwight are the only 2 real centers that are capable of putting up 20/10 on any given night. it's a reach for another center to put up those numbers, you'll either get more rebounds than points (chandler) or more points than rebounds (lopez).

Centers arent leaned on for scoring because in reality there arent much talented scoring centers. The centers in this league are among the worst class in NBA history.

knicks=love
10-12-2012, 04:46 PM
Centers arent leaned on for scoring because in reality there arent much talented scoring centers. The centers in this league are among the worst class in NBA history.

they're not leaned on for scoring because the guards and forwards are most of the scorers in this league (at least 90%). the centers were also a lot more physical on defense back then.. now you have scrubs like brook lopez who are too girly to grab 4 rebounds a game.

DoMeFavors
10-12-2012, 05:08 PM
they're not leaned on for scoring because the guards and forwards are most of the scorers in this league (at least 90%). the centers were also a lot more physical on defense back then.. now you have scrubs like brook lopez who are too girly to grab 4 rebounds a game.

If your center is talented and a scorer, you use him no question. If they are talented on the block you use them for what they are good at. Lopez isnt a scrub if he was he wouldnt have been offered a max contract by 3 teams.

knicks=love
10-12-2012, 05:16 PM
If your center is talented and a scorer, you use him no question. If they are talented on the block you use them for what they are good at. Lopez isnt a scrub if he was he wouldnt have been offered a max contract by 3 teams.

and those teams would've been idiots to offer him a max contract. do you ever wonder why you never actually got dwight howard? the magic didn't want lopez because they don't think he's good defensively and injuries are slowing him down. he didn't deserve a max contract at all and everyone on PSD (except for you obviously) knows that.

Oldmantrash
10-12-2012, 05:25 PM
Nobody can say for sure one way or the other.

Lets see how he plays with a good team around him, and healthy.

I'll give an opinion in January.

DoMeFavors
10-12-2012, 05:33 PM
and those teams would've been idiots to offer him a max contract. do you ever wonder why you never actually got dwight howard? the magic didn't want lopez because they don't think he's good defensively and injuries are slowing him down. he didn't deserve a max contract at all and everyone on PSD (except for you obviously) knows that.

They didnt get Andrew Bynum either, they want to tank for top picks. I think its pretty obvious. And like Billy King said the Magic never wanted to deal with Nets because it was Dwight Howards top spot.

knicks=love
10-12-2012, 05:41 PM
They didnt get Andrew Bynum either, they want to tank for top picks. I think its pretty obvious. And like Billy King said the Magic never wanted to deal with Nets because it was Dwight Howards top spot.

the nets offered like 6 first round picks along with lopez and they still didn't accept it. and the lakers aren't idiots, they wouldn't trade luke walton for brook lopez.

DoMeFavors
10-12-2012, 05:45 PM
the nets offered like 6 first round picks along with lopez and they still didn't accept it. and the lakers aren't idiots, they wouldn't trade luke walton for brook lopez.

You are a common fan it doesnt matter what you would do, fact is talented offensive centers are hard to come by and Lopez has been praised on multiple occasions by players, gms and coaches.

jmoney85
10-12-2012, 06:08 PM
the nets offered like 6 first round picks along with lopez and they still didn't accept it. and the lakers aren't idiots, they wouldn't trade luke walton for brook lopez.


with this post you're opinion means absolute nada from here on out

ty and have a nice day

Andrew32
10-12-2012, 06:12 PM
He's #2 after Bynum.

ohreally
10-12-2012, 10:04 PM
No sense having this discussion now. If he's healthy this year maybe we can judge. But if you want to judge his all around game, you can only use his first two years. And if you do that, together with judging his age, being his first two years, the amount of minutes he played in those first two years, the fact that he was playing on bad teams for those two years, I really don't see how you can legitimately rank him below most ofthenguys listed. If you want to make KG and Tim centers maybe it changes things, but if you take all things into consideration I don't see that it is at all laughable to say he is, arguably, at least on the cusp of top five. He is 24, and playing 30 minutes plus at 20 and 21 is an accomplishment in itself for a center. The guy is getting trashed way more than he deserves. Let's talk in April.

IndyRealist
10-12-2012, 11:17 PM
When you like the guy it's "he carried a bad team, imagine what he could do on a good one!" When it's a guy you don't like, it's "he just put up empty stats on a bad team with no other options." Neither argument is worth listening to, because it's already colored by prejudice.

I can see the argument for ignoring his 4th year, but ignoring his 3rd? He played all 82 games and a hair under 2900 minutes that year. In his first 3 years, his rebounding, shooting efficiency, and block have gone down, while his points scored and field goal attempts have gone up.

Lower shooting % + increased FG's = bad idea.

And before anyone looks up his stats and says "he got an extra 0.5rpg in his second year, his rebounding went up!" he also played 526 more minutes, so his rebounding per 36 minutes dropped from 9.6 to 8.4. (and then to 6.1 per36 in his 3rd year)

JasonJohnHorn
10-13-2012, 12:28 AM
If Lopez is a top five center, this league is in serious trouble at the center position.

29$JerZ
10-13-2012, 10:24 AM
Only in the minds of a few delusional fans in Brooklyn is Lopez a top 5 center

End of discussion

Kashmir13579
10-13-2012, 10:25 AM
Doubtful.

netsgiantsyanks
10-13-2012, 11:05 PM
brook grabbed 9 rebounds tonight.

DoMeFavors
10-13-2012, 11:13 PM
He will never get the credit he deserves

Chill_Will_24
10-13-2012, 11:14 PM
brook grabbed 9 rebounds tonight.

In a pre-season game against Kwame Brown and Spencer Hawes. Gotta tell the whole story

netsgiantsyanks
10-13-2012, 11:23 PM
i just wanted to stir something up. leave me be!

D2theJ
10-13-2012, 11:30 PM
In a pre-season game against Kwame Brown and Spencer Hawes. Gotta tell the whole story

Very true, but 9 rebounds in 28 minutes is what it is, which is good.

He will rebound more this year they have told him he has to focus on it, and Brook is a big time competitor, so he will improve his rebounding for sure.

koreancabbage
10-14-2012, 12:29 AM
brook grabbed 9 rebounds tonight.

this is preseason lol

but still good to see it. he avg 6 rebounds in the regular season last time I checked.

I'm sure Lopez won't be as bad as people think he will be. I think he will get 17-7/8 boards this year just b/c he doesn't have to do too much.

DoMeFavors
10-14-2012, 12:38 AM
this is preseason lol

but still good to see it. he avg 6 rebounds in the regular season last time I checked.

I'm sure Lopez won't be as bad as people think he will be. I think he will get 17-7/8 boards this year just b/c he doesn't have to do too much.

So him grabbing 6 rebounds doesnt count because its "pre season"? Makes no sense.

ee
10-14-2012, 03:28 AM
If he grabbed 3 rebounds tonight, people will laugh and say he still can't rebound.... He grabs 9, they say its preaseason....

netsgiantsyanks
10-14-2012, 11:51 AM
If he grabbed 3 rebounds tonight, people will laugh and say he still can't rebound.... He grabs 9, they say its preaseason....

:nod:

knicks=love
10-14-2012, 11:59 AM
If he grabbed 3 rebounds tonight, people will laugh and say he still can't rebound.... He grabs 9, they say its preaseason....

that's because it's the truth

justinnum1
10-15-2012, 09:21 PM
lopez is beasting


Brook Lopez had 19 pts & 9 rebs in 28 min in 1st game back from foot injury over weekend. Has 18 & 11 in 25 min tonight.

Chill_Will_24
10-15-2012, 09:23 PM
lopez is beasting

Prepare for another interesting thread at the conclusion of this game

ChaseHamels
10-15-2012, 09:56 PM
11 boards against the Wizards in October.

OMG... HOF... :clap::clap::clap:

Chill_Will_24
10-15-2012, 09:59 PM
Blatche looks good though, i will admit. He looks in fantastic shape.

DoMeFavors
10-15-2012, 10:01 PM
11 boards in 25 minutes, I would say this season in 40 minutes Lopez will avg 13-14 a game. KEEP HATING I LOVE IT, IT GETS ME OFF

2-ONE-5
10-15-2012, 10:05 PM
11 boards in 25 minutes, I would say this season in 40 minutes Lopez will avg 13-14 a game. KEEP HATING I LOVE IT, IT GETS ME OFF

i will literally bet anything in the world this does not happen

ChaseHamels
10-15-2012, 10:06 PM
The really scary part about that statement is it probably does...

Hawkeye15
10-15-2012, 10:09 PM
11 boards in 25 minutes, I would say this season in 40 minutes Lopez will avg 13-14 a game. KEEP HATING I LOVE IT, IT GETS ME OFF

there is no way, and I mean none, that Lopez will average 13-14 boards a game this year.

DoMeFavors
10-15-2012, 10:13 PM
there is no way, and I mean none, that Lopez will average 13-14 boards a game this year.

We still got that bet with Nets having a top defense?

Robbw241
10-15-2012, 10:19 PM
Brook is going to surprise a lot of people this year with his improved play. And then disappoint those people that think he is Jesus Christ. Not naming any names on who that might be though.

JerseysFinest
10-15-2012, 10:20 PM
11 boards in 25 minutes, I would say this season in 40 minutes Lopez will avg 13-14 a game. KEEP HATING I LOVE IT, IT GETS ME OFF

Lol.

I'm happy for Brook that he's starting to rebound the ball more and be more aggressive, but calm yourself please.

DoMeFavors
10-15-2012, 10:26 PM
Lol.

I'm happy for Brook that he's starting to rebound the ball more and be more aggressive, but calm yourself please.

He prob wont play enough to get those kind of numbers but in 40 minutes he will avg 13-14 rebounds. He will probably not play the entire 4th qrt of half the games because Nets are that good.

29$JerZ
10-15-2012, 10:46 PM
If Brook averages over 10 rebounds that means Avery finally realized having a 7 foot body along side a double double PF is better near the basket and not away.

Chill_Will_24
10-15-2012, 10:49 PM
If Brook averages over 10 rebounds that means Avery finally realized having a 7 foot body along side a double double PF is better near the basket and not away.

First intelligent thing i have read from you in regards to the Nets. Avery Johnson utilizes Brook in all the wrong ways. So far in pre season he is playing him down low where he belongs with less perimeter shots

Hope that continues because Brook Lopez looks great so far when played down low

DoMeFavors
10-15-2012, 10:52 PM
First intelligent thing i have read from you in regards to the Nets. Avery Johnson utilizes Brook in all the wrong ways. So far in pre season he is playing him down low where he belongs with less perimeter shots

Hope that continues because Brook Lopez looks great so far when played down low

You are looking to much into it, he is finally healthy.

2-ONE-5
10-15-2012, 10:52 PM
He prob wont play enough to get those kind of numbers but in 40 minutes he will avg 13-14 rebounds. He will probably not play the entire 4th qrt of half the games because Nets are that good.

no they are not, faaaar from it in fact.

29$JerZ
10-15-2012, 11:01 PM
First intelligent thing i have read from you in regards to the Nets. Avery Johnson utilizes Brook in all the wrong ways. So far in pre season he is playing him down low where he belongs with less perimeter shots

Hope that continues because Brook Lopez looks great so far when played down low

Difference in opinions.

waveycrockett
10-15-2012, 11:01 PM
Brook Lopez goes for 18pts and 11 rebs tonite on 7 of 12 shooting against good defender and rebounder Okafor. Dude is going to tear it up this year.

PurpleJesus
10-15-2012, 11:05 PM
Brook Lopez goes for 18pts and 11 rebs tonite on 7 of 12 shooting against good defender and rebounder Okafor. Dude is going to tear it up this year.

Blatche had 16 points and 8 rebounds in only 23 minutes...I think the Nets might have the two best centers in the league...they are going to cancel each others numbers out.

Chill_Will_24
10-15-2012, 11:06 PM
Brook Lopez goes for 18pts and 11 rebs tonite on 7 of 12 shooting against good defender and rebounder Okafor. Dude is going to tear it up this year.

Are you deliberately trying to act like DMF? I am only confused because you used to be one of the better Nets fans around here

Robbw241
10-15-2012, 11:20 PM
Are you deliberately trying to act like DMF? I am only confused because you used to be one of the better Nets fans around here

no he wasn't.

Chill_Will_24
10-15-2012, 11:24 PM
no he wasn't.

Maybe i am mistaking him for someone :shrug:

ewmania
10-15-2012, 11:43 PM
Brooke is the best center in the league...

after
Dwight, Bynum, Marc Gasol, Tyson Chandler, Cousins, Al Horford, Noah, Perkins, Gortat, and maybe 2 more Im forgetting

ewmania
10-15-2012, 11:45 PM
Blatche had 16 points and 8 rebounds in only 23 minutes...I think the Nets might have the two best centers in the league...they are going to cancel each others numbers out.

blatche is a center? lol

you mean PF?

Robbw241
10-15-2012, 11:46 PM
He plays both center and PF

DoMeFavors
10-15-2012, 11:48 PM
blatche is a center? lol

you mean PF?

He is playing center for the Nets

jmoney85
10-16-2012, 12:05 AM
can we ban DMF already? jesus

jmoney85
10-16-2012, 12:06 AM
no they are not, faaaar from it in fact.

much better than the sixers

DoMeFavors
10-16-2012, 12:11 AM
can we ban DMF already? jesus

For what the only troll here is you...you are happy about it also

You been trolling since the mid 80s

jmoney85
10-16-2012, 12:18 AM
For what the only troll here is you...you are happy about it also

You been trolling since the mid 80s

I rarely ever troll


you on the other hand do it with every post

jam
10-16-2012, 12:28 AM
This is the worst era for centers in league history. Candace Parker could player center in the nba.

DoMeFavors
10-16-2012, 12:34 AM
I rarely ever troll


you on the other hand do it with every post

I dont get how you can want a fellow Net fan to be banned...makes no sense.

jmoney85
10-16-2012, 12:36 AM
I dont get how you can want a fellow Net fan to be banned...makes no sense.

because some of the stuff you say is so crazy that you make our fanbase look like idiots

DoMeFavors
10-16-2012, 12:39 AM
because some of the stuff you say is so crazy that you make our fanbase look like idiots

You do realize that EVERY fan base has fans that are confident, unconfident and just different in everyway. The way you guys make me sound as if I am the leader of this fan base, and every thing I say has to do with all of you. I have nothing to do with any of you. And who cares what other fans think of us? Do I want some people on the internet to like me on this website? I really could careless.

PurpleJesus
10-16-2012, 12:49 AM
blatche is a center? lol

you mean PF?

No, Blatche has played quite a bit of C in his career...lol

ee
10-16-2012, 12:49 AM
You do realize that EVERY fan base has fans that are confident, unconfident and just different in everyway. The way you guys make me sound as if I am the leader of this fan base, and every thing I say has to do with all of you. I have nothing to do with any of you. And who cares what other fans think of us? Do I want some people on the internet to like me on this website? I really could careless.

yea, but you bring hate to your team.....so much hate on the nets in this forum, I've been a member since 05 and never seen this much hate.....

Chill_Will_24
10-16-2012, 01:12 AM
You do realize that EVERY fan base has fans that are confident, unconfident and just different in everyway. The way you guys make me sound as if I am the leader of this fan base, and every thing I say has to do with all of you. I have nothing to do with any of you. And who cares what other fans think of us? Do I want some people on the internet to like me on this website? I really could careless.

Dude you are not just a guy that is confident about his team. That would be fine. You are a guy that is irrational and bait other teams fans by shoving the Nets and their players downs every fans's throat.

You are the best type of troll. A troll that trolls without baiting by getting under fans' skins by posting things that not even the biggest idiot would believe. A troll that while annoying and obnoxious, never does enough to get banned under the rules of the site. I think they should just bend the rules and get rid of you but that is just me.

The sad thing is that worse than you is the idiot fans who reply to your posts and then complain about you.

DR_1
10-16-2012, 01:38 AM
I rarely ever troll


you on the other hand do it with every post

Your sig directly counteracts this argument

WAYNEBO
10-16-2012, 01:59 AM
I dont get how you can want a fellow Net fan to be banned...makes no sense.

Hahaha... this @$$ clown is shunned by it's own fanbase!!! Yo gremlin... get a clue.

You won't because you are 12 years old, have Aspergers and live in your mamma's basement.

CarniifeX
10-16-2012, 02:26 AM
Dude you are not just a guy that is confident about his team. That would be fine. You are a guy that is irrational and bait other teams fans by shoving the Nets and their players downs every fans's throat.

You are the best type of troll. A troll that trolls without baiting by getting under fans' skins by posting things that not even the biggest idiot would believe. A troll that while annoying and obnoxious, never does enough to get banned under the rules of the site. I think they should just bend the rules and get rid of you but that is just me.

The sad thing is that worse than you is the idiot fans who reply to your posts and then complain about you.

Wait, like what you just did?

ee
10-16-2012, 02:37 AM
Wait, like what you just did?

He's replying to make him stop.... He meant the guys who would actually go into battle with proof, stats and **** that makes them look just as stupid...

Greedy22
10-16-2012, 06:03 AM
Hahaha... this @$$ clown is shunned by it's own fanbase!!! Yo gremlin... get a clue.

You won't because you are 12 years old, have Aspergers and live in your mamma's basement.

You are doing them a true disservice by regarding him so highly.

thenaj17
10-16-2012, 06:46 AM
Nope.

Dwight, Bynum, KG, Hibbert, Al Horford, Al Jefferson, DeMarcus Cousins, Tim Duncan, Greg Monroe, Tyson Chandler, Joakim Noah, Marc Gasol.

(Not in that order, but you get the point)

Lopez is definitely better than the highlighted ones on current abilities.

The only reason i'd possibly give KG, Hibbert and Gasol the edge over him would be defense.

In 2-3 years time Cousins and Monroe could well be top 5 centres also

thenaj17
10-16-2012, 07:02 AM
He prob wont play enough to get those kind of numbers but in 40 minutes he will avg 13-14 rebounds. He will probably not play the entire 4th qrt of half the games because Nets are that good.

You are absolutely priceless...

thenaj17
10-16-2012, 07:04 AM
can we ban DMF already? jesus

You can't do that, he brings great comedy!!! Think of all the signature worthy quotes we would miss out on

knicks=love
10-16-2012, 08:53 AM
Brook Lopez goes for 18pts and 11 rebs tonite on 7 of 12 shooting against good defender and rebounder Okafor. Dude is going to tear it up this year.

:laugh2:

Chill_Will_24
10-16-2012, 01:56 PM
Wait, like what you just did?

Yes. Like me. You are so clever. :worthy:

Hawkeye15
10-16-2012, 02:02 PM
Lopez is definitely better than the highlighted ones on current abilities.

The only reason i'd possibly give KG, Hibbert and Gasol the edge over him would be defense.

In 2-3 years time Cousins and Monroe could well be top 5 centres also

Horford, Cousins, Monroe, and Chandler I would take anyday before Lopez dude. In order for Lopez to move into the top 8-10 center discussion, he must rebound the ball better, and there is no arguing that at all. Plenty of bigs don't guard anyone, but my god, you are 7 feet tall, and playing next to the rim. Grab a missed shot.

jmoney85
10-16-2012, 02:07 PM
Horford, Cousins, Monroe, and Chandler I would take anyday before Lopez dude. In order for Lopez to move into the top 8-10 center discussion, he must rebound the ball better, and there is no arguing that at all. Plenty of bigs don't guard anyone, but my god, you are 7 feet tall, and playing next to the rim. Grab a missed shot.

correction..... hes never played near the rim on a consistent basis... thats the main reason why his rebound numbers are low...

with this team he will be playing in the paint much more and as you see through the 1st two games of the preseason he has rebounded well