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JerseyPalahniuk
10-08-2012, 07:07 AM
I would say PG for most important, although I can see the case for C.

For least, I would say backup SF? Not a lot of those playing a lot of minutes/winning any 6th man awards

superkegger
10-08-2012, 02:17 PM
You say PG and C. Yet if you look at the reigning champion Miami Heat, they had a rookie Norris Cole as backup PG and they started Joel Anthony at C and their backup C was...Juwan Howard? Their first backup off the bench was Battier, who plays SF, which you say is the least important.

So just going off results, as the Heat had the most successful season last year, you couldn't be more wrong.

What I'm saying is, your question is too broad, because it varies from team to team.

It all just depends on the style of play, defensive scheme, what position your best player plays, and what it is you're looking for in a bench player.

It also depends on what you mean by most important.
Most important during the course of a regular season discounting injuries?
What position is most important to have a quality backup at if your starter goes down?
What backup position is best to have as a scoring punch off the bench?
What backup position is best to have as a defensive specialist on the bench?

Ask better questions.

ewing
10-08-2012, 02:18 PM
The one where you have the worst/most injury plagued starter

Heediot
10-08-2012, 03:30 PM
History has proven that the majority of NBA championship teams have a HOF big man. There are exceptions, but I believe the game is won from the inside out. Least important, would vary depending on team structure.

JasonJohnHorn
10-08-2012, 03:41 PM
I think it depends on your team really.

The Heat for example... back up PG is really not that important. They can play the entire game and have either Wade or James on the court every second, which givesn the a ball handler at all times. All they need out of the PG is a guy who can defend and hit open shots. On some nights, depending on who they are playing, that will be more or less important.

Likewise for the Lakers the back up PG may not be so important. Kobe is more than capable of bringing the ball up when Nash is resting, but the Lakers do have two compitent PGs on the bench in Duhon and Blake.

The Phoenix Suns though, during the Nash era, would have been desperate for a quality PG to back up Nash because Nash was so important to their offence running well.

A team like Chicago... with Rose playing, the back-up PG is important because Rose is the only ball handler on that squad. So the guy that rests him better be able to distribute. Rose is so important to what they do, creating offence, drawing in the defence, that when he's off the court the team NEEDS somebody who is good at that job.

As for center, for a team like the Lakers, it's not terribly important to have a great player sitting on the bench because Gasol can be on the floor whenever Dwight is not and you have two double digit rebounders in those guys. The Heat, obviously since they don't even have a starting center on their team, it is important to have somebody that can at least defend and rebound. The Heat are a good rebounding team in that guys like Wade and James both rebound the ball very well for their positions, so they make up for some of what is lacking at the center spot for that roster, but when they are playing a team witha good offensive center, they are going to need to play strong team defence to compensate for the fact they don't have any dominant centers.

For the Knick I think the center spot would be very important as well, because Chandler is so important for how that team performs defensively that a lot of what he does for the team can be easily undone in a short time while he's resting, that's why Camby is such a great guy to have coming off the bench for them.

I would agree though that SF, for most teams, is the least important because everything the SF does, score, rebound, defend, can be done by other players on the court. When James is off the court for the Heat, Wade can bring the ball up, Bosh can score and rebound. Things James does. In OKC, who have Durant, they have Ibak and Perkins to pick up boards and Westbrook and Harden to score. So even though those two team have the best SFs in the game, they have other players that do what those players do at other positions when they are on the court. Same in NY with Melo, Amare can score and rebound (kind of) and Chandler will grab some boards and what else does Melo do besides score and rebound? And, I mean, he hasn't even been doing those as well as in the past ;-)

So... it depends on the team and what they have at other positions and what they are up against on a given night.

Ebbs
10-08-2012, 03:43 PM
It depends where your teams weakness is. If Dwight is my starting center and ramon sessions is my starting PG I would say a back up PG is more important.

Supreme LA
10-08-2012, 03:46 PM
Definitely PG. We Laker fans saw the dramtatic drop off of continuity in our team as Nash left the floor and Steve Blake subbed in for him last night.

PurpleJesus
10-08-2012, 03:49 PM
The 6th man.

rsweene
10-08-2012, 03:56 PM
Here is a list of 6th an of the year awardees:
2012 James Harden
2011 Lamar Odom
2010 Jamal Crawford
2009 Jason Terry
2008 Manu Ginobili
2007 Leandro Barbosa
2006 Mike Miller
2005 Ben Gordon
2004 Antawn Jamison
2003 Bobby Jackson
2002 Corliss Williamson
2001 Aaron Mackie

Here is the breakdown by position:
C 0
PF 3
SF 2
SG 7
PG 1

Seems like the two guard is the most common player to win the award over the last 12 seasons. Meaning they have the most impact on the game with second units.

This also shows impactful backup centers are few and far between. In fact no true center has ever won the award!

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/smoy.html

superkegger
10-08-2012, 04:13 PM
Here is a list of 6th an of the year awardees:
2012 James Harden
2011 Lamar Odom
2010 Jamal Crawford
2009 Jason Terry
2008 Manu Ginobili
2007 Leandro Barbosa
2006 Mike Miller
2005 Ben Gordon
2004 Antawn Jamison
2003 Bobby Jackson
2002 Corliss Williamson
2001 Aaron Mackie

Here is the breakdown by position:
C 0
PF 3
SF 2
SG 7
PG 1

Seems like the two guard is the most common player to win the award over the last 12 seasons. Meaning they have the most impact on the game with second units.

This also shows impactful backup centers are few and far between. In fact no true center has ever won the award!

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/smoy.html

Or that the guys who generally win the 6th man award are scoring punches off the bench. Generally backup C's aren't going to be scorers. They're going to bring some D, maybe some shot blocking and rebounding. It's not that they're not impactful, they're just not asked to do the glorious things that win awards, like score. Last year Omer Asik and Taj Gibson were hugely impactful for the Bulls. Their depth in the frontline was a large part of why they were able to sustain Rose's injuries and still finish with such a stellar record. Don't make the mistake of equating scoring stat to impact.

JordansBulls
10-08-2012, 05:44 PM
In the league nowadays probably doesn't matter much maybe center since there are only 2 centers who are actually good enough to be stars.

KB-Pau-DH2012
10-08-2012, 05:45 PM
Definitely PG. We Laker fans saw the dramtatic drop off of continuity in our team as Nash left the floor and Steve Blake subbed in for him last night.

Yup, 30-0 run by Golden State. :pity:

dwilly4rilly
10-08-2012, 06:28 PM
Seems like every team has an iron man. That guy who starts every game, plays 40 mpg and has only missed 2 games in 4 years. That is your least important reserve position. Almost every team has a starter that is really injury prone or really inconsistent. That is your first priority.

JordansBulls
10-08-2012, 10:28 PM
Bulls don't have an iron man unless you consider Deng that.

Avenged
10-09-2012, 12:21 AM
Yup, 30-0 run by Golden State. :pity:

:sigh: if only it was 30...

it was a 35-0 run. :puke:

Cal827
10-09-2012, 01:00 AM
:sigh: if only it was 30...

it was a 35-0 run. :puke:

:laugh:

Probably the only time all year, I'm going to be able to laugh at the Lakers :laugh: