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Jays Claw
10-08-2012, 12:33 AM
With the rosters pretty much set, and the regular season being right around the corner, it's time to put out your seedings for both conferences.

Eastern Conference:

1. Miami Heat
2. Boston Celtics
3. Indiana Pacers
4. New York Knicks
5. Brooklyn Nets
6. Philadelphia Sixers
7. Toronto Raptors
8. Chicago Bulls


Western Conference:

1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Oklahoma City Thunder
3. San Antonio Spurs
4. Los Angeles Clippers
5. Denver Nuggets
6. Memphis Grizzlies
7. Dallas Mavericks
8. Minnesota Timberwolves

thrice4
10-08-2012, 12:45 AM
Raptors over bucks?!

asandhu23
10-08-2012, 12:46 AM
no love for Warriors and Bucks?

j-bay
10-08-2012, 12:49 AM
Raptors overs the Bucks, Hawks, and Wizards?

rsweene
10-08-2012, 12:55 AM
East:
1. Miami Heat
2. Indiana Pacers
3. Boston Celtics
4. Philadelphia Sixers
5. Brooklyn Nets
6. Chicago Bulls
7. New York Knicks
8. Milwaukee Bucks

West:
1. Oklahoma City Thunder
2. Los Angeles Lakers
3. Los Angeles Clippers
4. San Antonio Spurs
5. Denver Nuggets
6. Memphis Grizzlies
7. Minnesota Timberwolves
8. New Orleans Hornets

In the east the Heat should finish a few games in first without trying as much as the rest of the east. Indiana should take the next step. Whatever is happening in NY good or bad wont surprise me. 76ers should be as good as last year. Bucks could be the sleeper of the east.

In the west, its OKCs to lose. The lakers and spurs wont care as much about top seeding. The Twolves could finish with home court in the first round. the Nuggest could be the sleeper could take the lakers/OKC to seven in the second round. Oh hornets, you dont need anyones pity...

Hawkeye15
10-08-2012, 12:55 AM
Miami
Boston
Indiana
Brooklyn
New York
Chicago
Philly
Raptors

OKC
LAL
San Antonio
Denver
LAC
Memphis
Minnesota
Dallas

Hawkeye15
10-08-2012, 12:57 AM
Though I pray to god the Wolves don't draw the Lakers in round 1. We can't beat them. Ever. And I would just start hating them to an irrational level, like they cheated on my sister or something.

DoMeFavors
10-08-2012, 01:05 AM
This is too funny, Minnesota isnt making the playoffs. Why is everyone putting them in a playoff spot. Once again just like last year, I will say in April I will say "i told you so" they arent a playoff team. Kevin Love is David Lee in terms of no impact and stats. Roy is not Brandon Roy of 2008, AK47 cant shoot, Pekovic is overated.

Hawkeye15
10-08-2012, 01:09 AM
This is too funny, Minnesota isnt making the playoffs. Why is everyone putting them in a playoff spot. Once again just like last year, I will say in April I will say "i told you so" they arent a playoff team. Kevin Love is David Lee in terms of no impact and stats. Roy is not Brandon Roy of 2008, AK47 cant shoot, Pekovic is overated.

every opinion you have is overrated.

Its not just PSD bud, its the entire national media.

sixer04fan
10-08-2012, 01:11 AM
This is too funny, Minnesota isnt making the playoffs. Why is everyone putting them in a playoff spot. Once again just like last year, I will say in April I will say "i told you so" they arent a playoff team. Kevin Love is David Lee in terms of no impact and stats. Roy is not Brandon Roy of 2008, AK47 cant shoot, Pekovic is overated.

Let's see your rankings.

Hawkeye15
10-08-2012, 01:12 AM
Let's see your rankings.

do you really want to?

sixer04fan
10-08-2012, 01:14 AM
Let's see your rankings.

do you really want to?

On second thought, no.

Lakersfan2483
10-08-2012, 01:18 AM
Eastern Conference

1. Miami
2. Boston
3. Chicago
4. Indiana
5. New York
6. Brooklyn
7. Philadelphia
8. Milwaukee

Western Conference

1. Lakers
2. OKC
3. San Antonio
4. LA Clippers
5. Memphis
6. Dallas
7. Denver Nuggets
8. Utah

Wisdom Listens
10-08-2012, 01:24 AM
This is too funny, Minnesota isnt making the playoffs. Why is everyone putting them in a playoff spot. Once again just like last year, I will say in April I will say "i told you so" they arent a playoff team. Kevin Love is David Lee in terms of no impact and stats. Roy is not Brandon Roy of 2008, AK47 cant shoot, Pekovic is overated.

"AK47 can't shoot" - Do you really think we signed him for his shooting?

"Kevin Love is David Lee in terms of no impact and stats" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoLS0t6wzcs

"Roy is not Brandon Roy of 2008" - No ****, and we don't expect him to. As long as he can be merely a shadow of his former self he will be a huge upgrade for us.

"Pekovic is overrated" - By who? He is barely talked about outside our forum. All I can say is prove it. The guy is efficient as ****.



Probably won't be seeing you in April, cause the Wolves will almost certainly be in the playoff hunt at that point.

Hawkeye15
10-08-2012, 01:25 AM
"AK47 can't shoot" - Do you really think we signed him for his shooting?

"Kevin Love is David Lee in terms of no impact and stats" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoLS0t6wzcs

"Roy is not Brandon Roy of 2008" - No ****, and we don't expect him to. As long as he can be merely a shadow of his former self he will be a huge upgrade for us.

"Pekovic is overrated" - By who? He is barely talked about outside our forum. All I can say is prove it. The guy is efficient as ****.



Probably won't be seeing you in April, cause the Wolves will almost certainly be in the playoff hunt at that point.

complete.waste.of.time.

Seriously dude.

Mr. LA
10-08-2012, 01:31 AM
East

1. Miami Heat
2. Indiana Pacers
3. Chicago Bulls
4. Boston Celtics
5. New York Knicks
6. Phildelphia 76ers
7. Brooklyn Nets
8. Atlanta Hawks

West

1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Oklahoma City Thunder
3. Denver Nuggets
4. San Antonio Spurs
5. Los Angeles Clippers
6. Memphis Grizzlies
7. Dallas Mavericks
8. Minnesota Timberwolves

Wisdom Listens
10-08-2012, 01:32 AM
complete.waste.of.time.

Seriously dude.

I said my piece, so I'm good.

heyman321
10-08-2012, 02:05 AM
It really doesn't matter, Miami will probably steam roll their way to another title.

East
1. Miami
2. Boston
3. Indiana
4. Philly
5. Nets
6. Knicks
7. Bulls
8. Wizards

West
1. Lakers
2. OKC
3. Denver
4. San Antonio
5. Clippers
6. Grizz
7. Dallas
8. Timberwolves

Cal827
10-08-2012, 02:11 AM
All you people are crazy for misplacing the Bucks in your standings:

1. Bucks--- FEAR THE MAW****ING DEER
2. Heat
3. Pacers
4.Celtics
5.Knicks
6. Nets
7.Raptors
8.Bulls

West

1. OKC
2. LAL
3. LAC
4. DEN
5. MEM
6. SAS
7. GS
8. MIN

Daunter
10-08-2012, 11:07 AM
Though I pray to god the Wolves don't draw the Lakers in round 1. We can't beat them. Ever. And I would just start hating them to an irrational level, like they cheated on my sister or something.

But you already hate the Lakers...

DoMeFavors
10-08-2012, 11:24 AM
Come on people we arent talking about the Clippers here, how can you think my opinion is not right when Timberwolves didnt make it this past year and arent even a playoff team. Whatever the popular player is or team is on here most people on this board be sheep and write that opinion aswell because they dont want to be trashed. But my opinion is always going to stay my opinion.

jon32
10-08-2012, 11:26 AM
East
1. Miami Heat
2. Boston Celtics
3. Indiana Pacers
4. Philadelphia 76'ers
5. Chicago Bulls
6. New York Knicks
7. Brooklyn Nets
8a. Milwaukee Bucks 8b. Toronto Raptors 8c. Atlanta Hawks

West
1. Oklahoma City Thunder
2. L.A Lakers ( might be best in West but might take some time to mesh )
3. San Antonio Spurs
4. L.A Clippers
5. Denver Nuggets
6. Memphis Grizzlies
7. Dallas Mavericks
8. Minnesota Timber wolves

jon32
10-08-2012, 11:27 AM
Come on people we arent talking about the Clippers here, how can you think my opinion is not right when Timberwolves didnt make it this past year and arent even a playoff team. Whatever the popular player is or team is on here most people on this board be sheep and write that opinion aswell because they dont want to be trashed. But my opinion is always going to stay my opinion.

True, but just realize your opinion isnt always right either like you act it is

DanG
10-08-2012, 11:28 AM
East
1. Miami
2. Indiana
3. Bulls
4. Boston
5. Philly
6. Knicks
7. Nets
8. Hawks

West
1. OKC
2. San Antonio
3. Lakers
4. Clippers
5. Nuggets
6. Grizzlies
7. Warriors
8. Timberwolves

KnickaBocka.44
10-08-2012, 11:42 AM
EAST
1. Heat
2. Pacers
3. Celtics
4. Knicks
5. Nets
6. Bulls
7. 76ers
8. Bucks

WEST
1. Lakers
2. Thunder
3. Clippers
4. Spurs
5. Nuggets
6. Grizzlies
7. Mavericks
8. Timberwolves

KnickaBocka.44
10-08-2012, 11:57 AM
Come on people we arent talking about the Clippers here, how can you think my opinion is not right when Timberwolves didnt make it this past year and arent even a playoff team. Whatever the popular player is or team is on here most people on this board be sheep and write that opinion aswell because they dont want to be trashed. But my opinion is always going to stay my opinion.

DoMeFavors-- Managerial Supervising Manager of the Department of Redundancy Department

But on topic- There is a surprise team every year and they were playing well enough to compete for a spot before Rubio got hurt last year. An improved Derrick Williams with the additions of a well rested and recuperated Brandon Roy, Buddinger and Kirilenko and a healthy Rubio along with Love and super efficient Pekovic should be enough to put them in the 8th seed.

Whether you like it or not they are going to be in contention for a low seed in the playoffs this year. Acting as if they won't be is foolish on your part.

lamzoka
10-08-2012, 11:58 AM
1 Miami
2 Boston
3 Knicks
4 Pacers
5 sixers
7 nets
8 bucks


1 Okc
2 LAL
3 Clipps
4 Memphis
5 Spurs
6 Nuggets
7 Wolves
8 Mavs

KnickaBocka.44
10-08-2012, 11:59 AM
1 Miami
2 Boston
3 Knicks
4 Pacers
5 sixers
7 nets
8 bucks


1 Okc
2 LAL
3 Clipps
4 Memphis
5 Spurs
6 Nuggets
7 Wolves
8 Mavs

No 6th seed in the East this year? :eyebrow:

jericho
10-08-2012, 12:04 PM
eastern conference
1. miami
2. boston
3. pacers
4. knicks
5. nets
6. philly
7. bulls
8. wizards

western
1.thunder
2.lakers
3.nuggets
4.spurs
5.memphis
6.clippers
7.dallas
8.timberwolves

western is always difficult to predict from 3-7 it really can be anybody

superior
10-08-2012, 12:23 PM
With the rosters pretty much set, and the regular season being right around the corner, it's time to put out your seedings for both conferences.

Eastern Conference:

1. Miami Heat
2. Boston Celtics
3. Indiana Pacers
4. New York Knicks
5. Brooklyn Nets
6. Philadelphia Sixers
7. Toronto Raptors8. Chicago Bulls


Western Conference:

1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Oklahoma City Thunder
3. San Antonio Spurs
4. Los Angeles Clippers
5. Denver Nuggets
6. Memphis Grizzlies
7. Dallas Mavericks
8. Minnesota Timberwolves

lol thats cute......toronto aint seein the playoffs papo

knicks=love
10-08-2012, 12:38 PM
DMF never fails to make me laugh :laugh2:

superior
10-08-2012, 12:51 PM
lakers heat
thunder celtics
clippers knicks
spurs nets
nuggets pacers
mavs sixers
grizz bulls
warriors wiz

Hawkeye15
10-08-2012, 01:01 PM
But you already hate the Lakers...

But I am rational about them. Just because you love or hate a player/team shouldn't mean you lose the proper perspective.

Dankster
10-08-2012, 01:03 PM
EC:
1- Miami
2- Boston
3- New York
4- Indiana
5- Brooklyn
6- Chicago
7- Philadelphia
8- Mil or Toronto- hard to pick

WC

1- OKC
2- Lakers
3- Spurs
4- Clippers
5- Grizzlies
6- Nuggets
7- Mavericks
8- Timberwolves

SINCESTARBURY25
10-08-2012, 01:18 PM
1.Heat
2.Celtics
3.Knicks
4.Pacers
5.Sixers
6.Nets
7.Bucks
8.Raptors

1.Thunder
2.Lakers
3.Clippers
4.Spurs
5.Nuggets
6.Timberwolves
7.Mavericks
8.Hornets

MrfadeawayJB
10-08-2012, 01:28 PM
East
1. Miami
2. Indiana
3. Boston
4. New York
5. Brooklyn
6. Philly
7. Atlanta
8. Chicago

West
1. Oklahoma city
2. Denver
3. Los Angeles Lakers
4. Los Angeles Clippers
5. Memphis
6. Spurs
7. Dallas
8. Minnesota

B'sCeltsPatsSox
10-08-2012, 01:38 PM
Eastern Conference

1. Miami
2. Boston
3. Philadelphia
4. Chicago
5. Indiana
6. Knicks
7. Nets/Hawks
8. Nets/Hawks

If Horford stays healthy all season I'd have the Hawks 7th. If he plays at least half of the season I'll think they'll finish 8th.

Western Conference
1. Thunder
2. Spurs/Lakers
3. Spurs/Lakers
4. Nuggets
5. Clippers
6. Memphis
7. Dallas
8. Wolves

Have the Spurs and Lakers interchangeable because Dwight may miss some time and it may take some time for that team to mesh together as well.

2-ONE-5
10-08-2012, 01:39 PM
East:
1. Heat
2. Pacers
3. Sixers
4. Celtics
5. Knicks
6. Bulls
7. Nets
8. Raps or Wiz

West:
1. Thunder
2. Lakers
3. Nuggets
4. Clippers
5. Spurs
6. Mavs
7. Warriors
8. Grizz

theheatles
10-08-2012, 01:43 PM
EAST
1. Miami Heat
2. Indiana Pacers
3. Brooklyn Nets
4. Boston Celtics
5. Philadelphia 76ers
6. New York Knicks
7. Chicago Bulls
8. Washington Wizards

superkegger
10-08-2012, 01:46 PM
I don't really see anyone who can truly challenge the Thunder, Heat or Lakers.

The Nuggets, Celtics, Spurs, Knicks and depending on D-Rose the Bulls could make things interesting, but if one of the heat/thunder/lakers doesn't win the title this year, I'd be shocked.

IndyRealist
10-08-2012, 02:04 PM
Why all the love for Milwaukee and Dallas? I think GSW has a better chance to make the West than Dallas, with Curry praciticing and Bogut due back sometime this year. And I've got Cleveland over the Bucks in the Central. The Bucks backcourt is small and inefficient. They have a decent center and a good PF, that's it. Did Kyrie Irving get injured and I missed it?

I really liked Washington for 8th, until Wall got injured and is going to miss the first month of the season. I like Dallas for a teen lottery pick.

xxplayerxx23
10-08-2012, 02:18 PM
East
1: Heat
2 Celtics
3 Indy
4 Knicks
5 Philly (can flip flop with Knicks)
6 Nets
7 Bulls
8 Raps

West
1. Okc
2. LA
3. Nuggets
4. Spurs
5. Clippers
6. Grizz
7. Wolves
8. GSW
Just missng the cut
Mavs

Beltrans Mole
10-08-2012, 02:25 PM
The Atlantic will be as competitive as it's ever been.

TheNumber37
10-08-2012, 02:44 PM
Let me get this straight, the entire Atlantic division gets in the playoffs and the Bucks or Hawks don't get a mention

Wolves need to look out for the Jazz, Portland, and the Warriors.

Rockice_8
10-08-2012, 02:52 PM
Eastern Conference:

1. Miami Heat
2. Boston Celtics
3. Indiana Pacers
4. Brooklyn Nets
5. New York Knicks
6. Philadelphia Sixers
7. Chicago Bulls
8. Washington Wizards


Western Conference:

1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Oklahoma City Thunder
3. San Antonio Spurs
4. Los Angeles Clippers
5. Denver Nuggets
6. Memphis Grizzlies
7. Dallas Mavericks
8. Minnesota Timberwolves


OP was pretty good. Just some minor changes in the EC I think.

superior
10-08-2012, 02:55 PM
some of these posts are too terrible to look at

jericho
10-08-2012, 02:58 PM
Let me get this straight, the entire Atlantic division gets in the playoffs and the Bucks or Hawks don't get a mention

Wolves need to look out for the Jazz, Portland, and the Warriors.

not at all lol jazz idk what it is but they are missing something, portland they should trade aldrige and go young or something i like damian lillard he shows promise warriors they just need a yr togetherand they will be in the playoffs that starting 5 is scary just not this yr

heyman321
10-08-2012, 02:59 PM
Whole Atlantic divison ftw.

mets100%
10-08-2012, 03:00 PM
Domefavors start talking when you're team is relevant again. Stop hating on other teams. Nets need to do the talking on the court because they haven't proven anything.

DR_1
10-08-2012, 03:16 PM
1. Heat
2. Celtics
3. Bulls
4. Pacers
5. Knicks
6. 76ers
7. Nets
8. Cavs

1. Lakers
2. Thunder
3. Spurs
4. Clippers
5. Nuggets
6. Grizzlies
7. Mavs
8. Wolves

DoMeFavors
10-08-2012, 03:27 PM
DoMeFavors-- Managerial Supervising Manager of the Department of Redundancy Department

But on topic- There is a surprise team every year and they were playing well enough to compete for a spot before Rubio got hurt last year. An improved Derrick Williams with the additions of a well rested and recuperated Brandon Roy, Buddinger and Kirilenko and a healthy Rubio along with Love and super efficient Pekovic should be enough to put them in the 8th seed.

Whether you like it or not they are going to be in contention for a low seed in the playoffs this year. Acting as if they won't be is foolish on your part.

Why would I care if a team made the playoffs in the WEST? I dont care who makes the playoffs, I just dont see them as a playoff team. I see them in the lottery once again untill they get an actual scorer with Love.

J_M_B
10-08-2012, 03:29 PM
Eastern Conference

1. Miami
2. Boston
3. Indiana
4. New York
5. Philadelphia
6. Chicago
7. Brooklyn
8. Atlanta

Western Conference

1. OKC
2. LA Lakers
3. San Antonio
4. LA Clippers
5. Denver
6. Memphis
7. Minnesota
8. Dallas

DoMeFavors
10-08-2012, 03:33 PM
1. Miami Heat
2. Brooklyn Nets
3. Indiana Pacers because they have nobody in their division *still overated*
4. Boston Celtics
5. ATL Hawks
6. NY Knicks
7. Chicago Bulls
8. 76ers

WEST

1. OKC Thunder
2. LA Lakers
3. San Antonio Spurs
4. LA Clippers
5. Denver Nuggets
6. Memphis Grizzles
7. Golden State Warriors
8. PHX Suns

j-bay
10-08-2012, 03:33 PM
For those who are concerned about Wall and the Wizards falling back. First off, Wall is only going to be out for month in the season. One month in the preseason and one month in the season. Second, we actually got a one month replacement. For those of you who forgot we actually have someone named Jordan Crawford who is a really good player. He was either going to tbe the Starting SG or 6th man. I think he will take on the job as PG. So the line-up could look like this for a month

PG-Crawford
SG-Beal
SF-Ariza
PF-Nene
C-Okafor

Then when Wall comes back
PG-Wall
SG-Beal/Crawford(Whoever does better when Wall is gone)
SF-Ariza
PF-Nene
C-Okafor

j-bay
10-08-2012, 03:35 PM
1. Miami Heat
2. Brooklyn Nets
3. Indiana Pacers because they have nobody in their division *still overated*
4. Boston Celtics
5. ATL Hawks
6. NY Knicks
7. Chicago Bulls
8. 76ers

WEST

1. OKC Thunder
2. LA Lakers
3. San Antonio Spurs
4. LA Clippers
5. Denver Nuggets
6. Memphis Grizzles
7. Golden State Warriors
8. PHX Suns

Sorry i know how much you love the Nets bt Boston will be #2

KnickaBocka.44
10-08-2012, 03:45 PM
Why would I care if a team made the playoffs in the WEST? I dont care who makes the playoffs, I just dont see them as a playoff team. I see them in the lottery once again untill they get an actual scorer with Love.

You were the one making a big deal about people thinking they will make it so apparently you do care.

If your opinion is different then you should have just named the teams you thought would make the playoffs like everybody else. No one is saying you dont have the right to your opinion, we question why you question a large group of people on a non-biased opinion.

DoMeFavors
10-08-2012, 03:50 PM
You were the one making a big deal about people thinking they will make it so apparently you do care.

If your opinion is different then you should have just named the teams you thought would make the playoffs like everybody else. No one is saying you dont have the right to your opinion, we question why you question a large group of people on a non-biased opinion.

Because people on here let the majority vote impact their choice. They act like sheep in terms of them not wanting to feel wrong. I have been right about every overated team in the past. After Bucks made it far in 2010, I knew the next year they wouldnt make the playoffs , while most felt they would win the division. ANd I feel like Kevin Love is David Lee in terms of no impact and stats.

NYYCowboys
10-08-2012, 04:04 PM
East:

1.Miami
2.Indiana
3.Boston
4.Philadelphia
5.New York
6.Chicago
7.Brooklyn
8.Milwaukee

West:

1.Oklahoma City
2.Los Angeles Lakers
3.San Antonio
4.Denver
5.Los Angeles Clippers
6.Memphis
7.Dallas
8.Minnesota

Sota4Ever
10-08-2012, 04:09 PM
1. Miami Heat
2. Brooklyn Nets
3. Indiana Pacers because they have nobody in their division *still overated*
4. Boston Celtics
5. ATL Hawks
6. NY Knicks
7. Chicago Bulls
8. 76ers

WEST

1. OKC Thunder
2. LA Lakers
3. San Antonio Spurs
4. LA Clippers
5. Denver Nuggets
6. Memphis Grizzles
7. Golden State Warriors
8. PHX Suns

Oh lord...

JerseysFinest
10-08-2012, 04:09 PM
A lot of people are overrating the Sixers a tad bit. They'll probably be a playoff team, but I don't believe it's going to be easy for them to adjust to losing Iguodala and incorporating Bynum into the equation. Depending on when Rose returns also leaves me skeptical as why a lot of people rank the Bulls above the 5th spot in the East. Even when he returns, it's going to take him some time to re-adjust to playing again.

DoMeFavors
10-08-2012, 04:16 PM
A lot of people are overrating the Sixers a tad bit. They'll probably be a playoff team, but I don't believe it's going to be easy for them to adjust to losing Iguodala and incorporating Bynum into the equation. Depending on when Rose returns also leaves me skeptical as why a lot of people rank the Bulls above the 5th spot in the East. Even when he returns, it's going to take him some time to re-adjust to playing again.

Because Bynum by himself makes a team a top 3 team, but Bynum with Kobe and Gasol cant even get past the 2nd round.

NokomisLiving
10-08-2012, 04:29 PM
1. Miami Heat
2. Brooklyn Nets
3. Indiana Pacers because they have nobody in their division *still overated*
4. Boston Celtics
5. ATL Hawks
6. NY Knicks
7. Chicago Bulls
8. 76ers

WEST

1. OKC Thunder
2. LA Lakers
3. San Antonio Spurs
4. LA Clippers
5. Denver Nuggets
6. Memphis Grizzles
7. Golden State Warriors
8. PHX Suns

Funny you have them making the 8th seed with three former Timberwolves players, two of which were on last years lottery team as you put it.

Maybe though, you never know what will happen, but let me say that I highly doubt the bolded will happen.

29$JerZ
10-08-2012, 04:32 PM
Miami
Indiana
Boston
Chicago
New York
Philadelphia
Atlanta
Brooklyn/Toronto

Philly and NY can easily swap depending on injuries. If Atlanta doesn't trade away Smith or Horford they are still talented enough to be a low seed team, losing Joe J won't hurt much.
Brooklyn needs to stay Healthy. I don't think Jennings/Ellis is going to work, Cleveland still needs more help, Detroit is a huge ?, so pretty much at this point Brooklyn is the likely 8th seed unless Toronto really shines with Lowry and Val.

San Antonio Spurs
Oklahoma City Thunder
Los Angeles Lakers
Los Angeles Clippers
Denver Nuggets
Memphis Grizzlies
Dallas Mavericks
Minnesota T'Wolves

DoMeFavors
10-08-2012, 04:34 PM
Funny you have them making the 8th seed with three former Timberwolves players, two of which were on last years lottery team as you put it.

Maybe though, you never know what will happen, but let me say that I highly doubt the bolded will happen.

much better team than twolves, Suns have depth aswell

DR_1
10-08-2012, 04:40 PM
1. Miami Heat
2. Brooklyn Nets
3. Indiana Pacers because they have nobody in their division *still overated*
4. Boston Celtics
5. ATL Hawks
6. NY Knicks
7. Chicago Bulls
8. 76ers

WEST

1. OKC Thunder
2. LA Lakers
3. San Antonio Spurs
4. LA Clippers
5. Denver Nuggets
6. Memphis Grizzles
7. Golden State Warriors
8. PHX Suns

:laugh:

Sota4Ever
10-08-2012, 04:41 PM
much better team than twolves, Suns have depth aswell

Better then the wolves? Can you name me some of those bench players.

29$JerZ
10-08-2012, 04:43 PM
Minnesota succes hinges on Rubio being 100% and staying healthy in general.
They actually have a nice squad for the first time since the KG trade.
No reason they shouldn't be a playoff team this time around.

meloman1592
10-08-2012, 04:44 PM
raptors are not making the playoffs

JordansBulls
10-08-2012, 04:44 PM
Eastern Conference

1. Miami
2. Boston
3. Chicago
4. Indiana
5. New York
6. Brooklyn
7. Philadelphia
8. Milwaukee

Western Conference

1. Lakers
2. OKC
3. San Antonio
4. LA Clippers
5. Memphis
6. Dallas
7. Denver Nuggets
8. Utah

This is a good list. The thought of the Bulls being 8th is a joke.

thechom80
10-08-2012, 04:57 PM
DMF doesn't know jack **** about the Wolves. Leave him alone.

shep33
10-08-2012, 05:21 PM
Though I pray to god the Wolves don't draw the Lakers in round 1. We can't beat them. Ever. And I would just start hating them to an irrational level, like they cheated on my sister or something.

:laugh: Man what is the streak at? Isn't it like close to 20 now? I think you guys will get us during the regular season. A lot of talent on your starting line, and your deeper than we are.

NYYCowboys
10-08-2012, 05:24 PM
DMF doesn't know jack **** about the Wolves. Leave him alone.

He doesn't know jack **** about anything concerning the NBA.

topdog
10-08-2012, 05:31 PM
Eastern Conference:

1. Miami Heat: champs
2. Boston Celtics: reloaded and deeper
3. Indiana Pacers: developing young team that's now "been there"
4. Philly: scrappy team with the league's 2nd best center
5. Chicago: still a Thibodeau defense
6. Brooklyn: chemistry will need working out
7. New York: Melo and Amaré need to prove they fit; Felton's back yay!
8. Toronto: Top 10 in defense last year with some additional weapons added

Western Conference:

1. Los Angeles Lakers: lot's of new pieces but Nash is magic
2. Oklahoma City Thunder: another year wiser, could easily be #1
3. San Antonio Spurs: steady in old age, the young kids look to keep their legs for late
4. Los Angeles Clippers: a new bench and an improving Blake
5. Denver Nuggets: deep and well coached; they'll outlast you
6. Memphis Grizzlies: the impact of Mayo's absence is debatable, Rudy Gay's fit is troubling
7. Minnesota Timberwolves: talent at key positions and a coach that wins
8. Dallas Mavericks: a lineup of good players in their contract year but chemistry will be an early issue

Lo Porto
10-08-2012, 05:35 PM
Utah improved at PG with Mo Williams over Devin Harris, SF depth by adding Marvin Williams, and guard depth by adding Foye. And their entire young roster is now a year older and better.

Yet only one of you has them in the playoffs and that's as an 8 seed. Watch out for the Jazz.

topdog
10-08-2012, 05:42 PM
Why all the love for Milwaukee and Dallas? I think GSW has a better chance to make the West than Dallas, with Curry praciticing and Bogut due back sometime this year. And I've got Cleveland over the Bucks in the Central. The Bucks backcourt is small and inefficient. They have a decent center and a good PF, that's it. Did Kyrie Irving get injured and I missed it?

I really liked Washington for 8th, until Wall got injured and is going to miss the first month of the season. I like Dallas for a teen lottery pick.

I have Dallas over Golden State because injuries are such a concern for Bogut, Curry and Lee to a degree. Also, I'm not big on Mark Jackson. The Mavs may have early chemistry issues but they have good healthy players who mostly are in their contract year.

The only reason I would pick Milwaukee is because I've doubted them before and they were much better (inexplicably) than I possibly would have thought. I would put any number of teams ahead of them. Cleveland and Washington are probably still about a year or so away, so I went with Toronto.

Spurred1
10-08-2012, 05:43 PM
Wolves should make it to the playoffs this season. They were on their way when Rubio went down. From what I understand, Pekovic also was injured. If Rubio stays healthy, they'll make it into the postseason.
I'm guessing Roy won't be playing huge minutes because of his medical issues. But he should be pretty good coming off the bench in limited spurts.
AK is a serious medical concern-he seems hurt an awful lot.

Rylz
10-08-2012, 06:13 PM
not at all lol jazz idk what it is but they are missing something, portland they should trade aldrige and go young or something i like damian lillard he shows promise warriors they just need a yr togetherand they will be in the playoffs that starting 5 is scary just not this yr

And what, exactly, are the Jazz missing? They made the playoffs last year, and they've only gotten better. They've replaced Devin Harris with Mo Williams (improvement), CJ Miles with Randy Foye (improvement), and Josh Howard with Marvin Williams (improvement). Those three new players, plus Kevin Murphy the Jazz's draft pick (who admittedly probably won't see much playing time this year), fit the Jazz's biggest need from last year: 3 point shooting. Our coach was essentially a rookie last year without the benefit of a training camp. Now he's got some experience (including a short lived stint in the playoffs). The Jazz's two best players, Jefferson and Millsap, are only 27, and the core of the team, Favors, Hayward, Kanter, and Burks, are entering their second or third seasons, so each of them should show dramatic improvement. So, I ask you again, what exactly are the Jazz missing that they didn't have on last year's playoff team?

I'm not saying that they're a threat for the title; they're not. The Heat, Lakers, and Thunder are the clear favorites, with the Celtics, Spurs, Pacers, Nuggets, and Bulls having an outside shot of making it.

I'm not saying that they're guaranteed a playoff spot either. A lot can happen between now and the playoffs. Minnesota and Golden State have both improved significantly, and no playoff team in the west (except maybe Dallas) has gotten worse. But don't count out the Jazz. They could make some noise this year.

Call me a homer, but people underestimate the Jazz every year, and at the end of almost every season, reporters call them "one of the biggest surprises of the year." With that in mind, here's my picks:

Miami
Boston
Indiana
New York
Chicago
New Jersey
Philadelphia
Atlanta

OKC
Lakers
Spurs
Nuggets
Clippers
Grizzlies
Jazz
T-Wolves

dwilly4rilly
10-08-2012, 06:21 PM
The Jazz will make the playoffs. It will not be as an 8th seed.

LAKERMANIA
10-08-2012, 06:21 PM
West
1. Lakers
2. OKC
3. Spurs
4. Clippers
5. Grizzlies
6. Nuggets
7. Dallas
8. T'Wolves

East
1. Miami
2. Boston
3. Indiana
4. Atlanta
5. Brooklyn
6. New York
7. Philadelphia
8. Chicago

DoMeFavors
10-08-2012, 06:31 PM
People like the Twolves so they will stay protected by people, I will never get credit. If by the time APril comes and they dont make the playoffs there will be an excuse like someone was injured or something along those lines. But the Nets get hate for no reason because they are an ACTUAL well run franchise.

Any team that people like will get the benefit of the doubt.

thechom80
10-08-2012, 06:57 PM
Pizza rolls are amazing.

Captain Moroni
10-08-2012, 07:38 PM
East
Heat. Anything less is just stupid lazy underachieving or a major injury.
76ers. Just have a crazy feeling
Celtics until his grizzled group proves otherwise
Knicks. Gonna surprise alot of people
Pacers. Over rated last year
Bulls. Will be better than people think
Nets. Seven is about right, no defense
Raptors. My surprise pick

KnickaBocka.44
10-08-2012, 07:53 PM
Because people on here let the majority vote impact their choice. They act like sheep in terms of them not wanting to feel wrong. I have been right about every overated team in the past. After Bucks made it far in 2010, I knew the next year they wouldnt make the playoffs , while most felt they would win the division. ANd I feel like Kevin Love is David Lee in terms of no impact and stats.

Sweet call, even though I don't buy your overexageration. David Lee never put up the numbers Love has.

mrblisterdundee
10-08-2012, 07:57 PM
With the rosters pretty much set, and the regular season being right around the corner, it's time to put out your seedings for both conferences.

Eastern Conference:

1. Miami Heat
2. Boston Celtics
3. Indiana Pacers
4. New York Knicks
5. Brooklyn Nets
6. Philadelphia Sixers
7. Toronto Raptors
8. Chicago Bulls


Western Conference:

1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Oklahoma City Thunder
3. San Antonio Spurs
4. Los Angeles Clippers
5. Denver Nuggets
6. Memphis Grizzlies
7. Dallas Mavericks
8. Minnesota Timberwolves

This looks pretty good. I would put the Grizzlies above the Nuggets and the Clippers above Spurs, eliminate Toronto, move Chicago to seven and round out the east with Atlanta.

KnickaBocka.44
10-08-2012, 08:00 PM
People like the Twolves so they will stay protected by people, I will never get credit. If by the time APril comes and they dont make the playoffs there will be an excuse like someone was injured or something along those lines. But the Nets get hate for no reason because they are an ACTUAL well run franchise.

Any team that people like will get the benefit of the doubt.

I'll give you some credit on the Suns' prediction. I wouldn't be surprised if they hovered around .500 and I think they have an outside shot at the playoffs because they do have some depth, but most of them are young and they don't have a true go to player.

The bolded part though is not true. The Nets get hate on this board because you talk about them like they are already the main rivals to the Heat even though haven't done anything on the court but suck horribly the past 3-4 years.

29$JerZ
10-08-2012, 08:02 PM
People like the Twolves so they will stay protected by people, I will never get credit. If by the time APril comes and they dont make the playoffs there will be an excuse like someone was injured or something along those lines. But the Nets get hate for no reason because they are an ACTUAL well run franchise.

Any team that people like will get the benefit of the doubt.

People like the Twolves because they have some exciting players and the best PF in the game.

No one hates the Nets because they are a well run franchise. That's not even a true statement.
And don't talk about excuses. You'll be the first one to say its year 1 for the Nets so it will take time to gel if they don't make the playoffs this year.

DoMeFavors
10-08-2012, 08:05 PM
People like the Twolves because they have some exciting players and the best PF in the game.

No one hates the Nets because they are a well run franchise. That's not even a true statement.
And don't talk about excuses. You'll be the first one to say its year 1 for the Nets so it will take time to gel if they don't make the playoffs this year.

I would never, I would be very annoyed but that happening is like hell freezing over. I am expecting a championship this year, ofcourse it might not happen but thats where I set my goals very high. Unlike others who make excuses. I will admit when my team is bad.

JesusWears24
10-08-2012, 08:07 PM
Though I pray to god the Wolves don't draw the Lakers in round 1. We can't beat them. Ever. And I would just start hating them to an irrational level, like they cheated on my sister or something.

haha:D

kendawg73
10-08-2012, 08:16 PM
East

1.Miami
2.Indiana
3.Bulls
4.Celtics
5.76ers
6.Knicks
7.Nets
8.Hawks

West

1.Thunder
2.Lakers
3.Spurs
4.Nuggets
5.Grizzlies
6.Clippers
7.Mavericks
8.Timberwolves

D2theJ
10-08-2012, 08:24 PM
East:
Miami
Indiana
Brooklyn
Boston
Philadelphia
New York
Chicago
Milwaukee

West:
LA Lakers
OKC
LA Clippers
Memphis
Denver
San Antonio
Dallas
Phoenix

Legooo

DR_1
10-08-2012, 08:25 PM
People who put the Bulls below 5 make me laugh

29$JerZ
10-08-2012, 08:31 PM
I would never, I would be very annoyed but that happening is like hell freezing over. I am expecting a championship this year, ofcourse it might not happen but thats where I set my goals very high. Unlike others who make excuses. I will admit when my team is bad.

Expecting a championship is silly, especially when the team is new and hasn't won anything.

KnickaBocka.44
10-08-2012, 08:42 PM
I would never, I would be very annoyed but that happening is like hell freezing over. I am expecting a championship this year, ofcourse it might not happen but thats where I set my goals very high. Unlike others who make excuses. I will admit when my team is bad.


Here's the thing: This can't be a goal of yours because you don't contribute to it in any way. The Nets performance does not hinge on you in any way either. Those are your expectations, and to expect a championship in the first year is setting yourself up for disappointment.

Legitimate
10-08-2012, 09:05 PM
West :
1.OKC
2..Lakers
3.Denver
4.Spurs
5.Clippers
6.Memphis
7.jazz
8.Dallas

East:
1. Miami
2.Boston
The rest is just a toss up.. As a raps fan, I don't even think they will compete for the 8th seed.

Too many question marks in the east to legitimately claim who's going to seed where and what.

ewmania
10-08-2012, 09:09 PM
EAST

1. Indiana
2. Miami
3. Knicks
4. Wizards (yea i said it)
5. Celtics
6. Philly
7. Bulls
8. Nets

WEST

1. Thunder
2. Lakers
3. Memphis
4. Spurs
5. Clippers
6. T Wolves
7. Dallas
8. New Orleans

Blitzbolt
10-08-2012, 09:11 PM
As a Grizz fan I don't care where we end up as long as we make the playoffs we will fight anyone to the end and try to out physical them.

Just no flopping like last year like the Flipps(Clipps)

KnickaBocka.44
10-08-2012, 09:15 PM
People who put the Bulls below 5 make me laugh

Probably because you're from Chicago. It's not out of the realm of possibility that they struggle without Rose and even when he initially comes back, which could result in a low seed.

DR_1
10-08-2012, 09:18 PM
Probably because you're from Chicago. It's not out of the realm of possibility that they struggle without Rose and even when he initially comes back, which could result in a low seed.

We were without Rose for a majority of the regular season last year, and where were we? Number one seed. I'm not saying that missing Rose in the Playoffs won't hurt us, but he will be back by then, and the rest of the team should be fully healthy, unlike last year. I think we had 5 of our top 6 players playing injured or not playing at all due to injuries. :pity:

HotMayo
10-08-2012, 09:21 PM
west:
nuggets
thunder
spurs
lakers

east:
celtics
miami

idc

DoMeFavors
10-08-2012, 09:28 PM
We were without Rose for a majority of the regular season last year, and where were we? Number one seed. I'm not saying that missing Rose in the Playoffs won't hurt us, but he will be back by then, and the rest of the team should be fully healthy, unlike last year. I think we had 5 of our top 6 players playing injured or not playing at all due to injuries. :pity:

Bulls lost their bench players

Bulls_fan90
10-08-2012, 09:44 PM
Yeah I find it funny that most Raptor fans have them over Chicago. I will sig bet anyone on this forum that Chicago will end up with a better record than Toronto.

Any takers?

xxplayerxx23
10-08-2012, 09:55 PM
1. LOL wizards a top 4 team in the east. I don'thave them as a playoff team.
2. Drose your such a homer. Without Rose for who knows how long they will be an average team.

KnickaBocka.44
10-08-2012, 10:00 PM
We were without Rose for a majority of the regular season last year, and where were we? Number one seed. I'm not saying that missing Rose in the Playoffs won't hurt us, but he will be back by then, and the rest of the team should be fully healthy, unlike last year. I think we had 5 of our top 6 players playing injured or not playing at all due to injuries. :pity:

You actually had Rose healthy for 39/66 games in the regular season which is less than the majority, but he was in and out of the lineup so I'll give you that.

What I'm saying is that there is no real playmaker on the Bulls at all until Rose comes back and that could result in them falling down to mediocrity until he returns. Their bench is weaker this year and it wouldn't shock me to see them at about .500 at the all-star break even though they will still be solid on D.

SK6
10-08-2012, 10:24 PM
Eastern Conference

1. Miami Champs and favorites to repeat
2. NewYork Finished 18-6 under Head coach Mike Woodson
3. Indiana Right on target
4. Boston Will Cruise until the playoffs
5. Chicago No D Rose for half a season
6. Philadelphia Andrew Bynum brings them up from the #8 seed to #6
7. Nets added J.Johnson and Wallace
8. Bucks

Western Conference

1. Lakers D12, Kobe, Gasol and Nash LOL
2. OKC Right where they should be
3. San Antonio
4. LA Clippers on target
5. Memphis better chemistry with Gay in the lineup
6. Denver Nuggets Iggy, Lawson and McGee
7. Dallas
8. T.Wolves

HotMayo
10-08-2012, 10:47 PM
If I were to pick a dark horse NBA Champion, I'd go with Denver

xxplayerxx23
10-08-2012, 10:51 PM
Denver is going to upset the Lakers.

HotMayo
10-08-2012, 10:53 PM
Denver is going to upset the Lakers.

If there was a team to do it, it would be them. And they know it too

JLynn943
10-08-2012, 11:21 PM
East
1. Heat
2. Celtics
3. Pacers
4. Bulls
5. 76ers
6. Nets
7. Hawks
8. Knicks

West
1. Thunder
2. Lakers
3. Spurs
4. Nuggets
5. Grizzlies
6. Clippers
7. Timberwolves
8. Warriors

I could see the Bucks or Mavs sneaking in though

PacersForLife
10-08-2012, 11:41 PM
East:
1. Miami
2. Indiana
3. Boston
4. New York
5. Chicago
6. Brooklyn
7. 76ers
8. Hawks

West:
1. Thunder
2. Lakers
3. Spurs
4. Clippers
5. Denver
6. Memphis
7./8. Warriors/T-Wolves/Utah/Dallas
I feel like Utah, Minnesota, Dallas, and Golden State will all compete for the last 2 seeds. Hard to tell at this point.

DoMeFavors
10-08-2012, 11:51 PM
Denver is going to upset the Lakers.

Who is to say they will even play each other?

mdm692
10-09-2012, 12:10 AM
Doesn't really matter the Suns WILL BE in the playoffs and thats all I care. On a side note I can almost gurantee the Warriors, Hornets and Twolves won't make the playoffs.

Warriors-Glass team will start off strong but Curry, Lee amd Bogut will breakdown as the season progresses. . .again.

Hornets-Gordon is already injured and its barely the pre-season. That contract is going to look worse and worse as be keeps getting injured. Also a lot of new faces and 2 rookies in the starting line up they are going straight to a top 5 pick again.

Twolves-This one is tricky because they look good on paper and, K-Love is a stat stuffer and Rubio has been so overrated ever since people heard of him. Guess what we have a Ricky Rubio clone in our bench too his name is kendall marshall(can't shoot, can't defend and all he does is make fancy passes). Also he is the 2nd coming of Steph Curry(star potential but injuries will hold him back for the rest of his career. B-roy is worn out and will play 20 games at most then be out for the season. Pek is legit nothing to say about him. AK47 will start to play just like Hedo did after he got paid(trash). K-Love will be a stat stuffer as usual but if they don't get him real help he will probably end up, and I hate to say this, in a Lakers uniform when Kobe's contract is up. Best case is they get a high pick and, I don't know the cap situation, try to sign OJ Mayo(potential) or a legit 20ppg SG. Also Derrick Williams will play out the same way Beasley did minus the weed lol. What I would suggest is that, since Houston is having a blow out sale, they try to trade Dwill, picks and some expiring player for Kevin Martin.

heyman321
10-09-2012, 12:18 AM
Doesn't really matter the Suns WILL BE in the playoffs and thats all I care. On a side note I can almost gurantee the Warriors, Hornets and Twolves won't make the playoffs.

Warriors-Glass team will start off strong but Curry, Lee amd Bogut will breakdown as the season progresses. . .again.

Hornets-Gordon is already injured and its barely the pre-season. That contract is going to look worse and worse as be keeps getting injured. Also a lot of new faces and 2 rookies in the starting line up they are going straight to a top 5 pick again.

Twolves-This one is tricky because they look good on paper and, K-Love is a stat stuffer and Rubio has been so overrated ever since people heard of him. Guess what we have a Ricky Rubio clone in our bench too his name is kendall marshall(can't shoot, can't defend and all he does is make fancy passes). Also he is the 2nd coming of Steph Curry(star potential but injuries will hold him back for the rest of his career. B-roy is worn out and will play 20 games at most then be out for the season. Pek is legit nothing to say about him. AK47 will start to play just like Hedo did after he got paid(trash). K-Love will be a stat stuffer as usual but if they don't get him real help he will probably end up, and I hate to say this, in a Lakers uniform when Kobe's contract is up. Best case is they get a high pick and, I don't know the cap situation, try to sign OJ Mayo(potential) or a legit 20ppg SG. Also Derrick Williams will play out the same way Beasley did minus the weed lol. What I would suggest is that, since Houston is having a blow out sale, they try to trade Dwill, picks and some expiring player for Kevin Martin.

Lol the Suns will not make the playoffs for another 5 years.

mdm692
10-09-2012, 12:32 AM
Lol the Suns will not make the playoffs for another 5 years.

Nice explanation. Either way the Suns have a better shot at the playoffs, even if they were in a conference with MIA, BOS, NYK, BK, LAL, DEN, LAC and OKC, than what the Raptors do if they were in a conference with CHA, POR, NOH, SAC, GSW, MIL, ORL and HOU. I don't even know why I bother to respond you have the hopes of your franchise relying on Landry Fields :facepalm:

joshhorvath
10-09-2012, 12:35 AM
Yeah I find it funny that most Raptor fans have them over Chicago. I will sig bet anyone on this forum that Chicago will end up with a better record than Toronto.

Any takers?

Im down for that ;)

thechom80
10-09-2012, 12:43 AM
Doesn't really matter the Suns WILL BE in the playoffs and thats all I care. On a side note I can almost gurantee the Warriors, Hornets and Twolves won't make the playoffs.

Warriors-Glass team will start off strong but Curry, Lee amd Bogut will breakdown as the season progresses. . .again.

Hornets-Gordon is already injured and its barely the pre-season. That contract is going to look worse and worse as be keeps getting injured. Also a lot of new faces and 2 rookies in the starting line up they are going straight to a top 5 pick again.

Twolves-This one is tricky because they look good on paper and, K-Love is a stat stuffer and Rubio has been so overrated ever since people heard of him. Guess what we have a Ricky Rubio clone in our bench too his name is kendall marshall(can't shoot, can't defend and all he does is make fancy passes). Also he is the 2nd coming of Steph Curry(star potential but injuries will hold him back for the rest of his career. B-roy is worn out and will play 20 games at most then be out for the season. Pek is legit nothing to say about him. AK47 will start to play just like Hedo did after he got paid(trash). K-Love will be a stat stuffer as usual but if they don't get him real help he will probably end up, and I hate to say this, in a Lakers uniform when Kobe's contract is up. Best case is they get a high pick and, I don't know the cap situation, try to sign OJ Mayo(potential) or a legit 20ppg SG. Also Derrick Williams will play out the same way Beasley did minus the weed lol. What I would suggest is that, since Houston is having a blow out sale, they try to trade Dwill, picks and some expiring player for Kevin Martin.

That would make him NOT a Rubio clone.

mdm692
10-09-2012, 12:59 AM
That would make him NOT a Rubio clone.
My bad misread the post. Rubio can defend as good as Calderon.

DR_1
10-09-2012, 01:00 AM
1. LOL wizards a top 4 team in the east. I don'thave them as a playoff team.
2. Drose your such a homer. Without Rose for who knows how long they will be an average team.

Player I'll sig bet you the Bulls will have a better record than the Knicks. The bench will be fine.

mdm692
10-09-2012, 01:03 AM
Bulls=top 3.

Arch Stanton
10-09-2012, 01:17 AM
I'm hoping the Cavs make the 8th seed. If Kyrie is legit and healthy, he should be able to carry the team team into the playoffs.

Sota4Ever
10-09-2012, 01:21 AM
Doesn't really matter the Suns WILL BE in the playoffs and thats all I care. On a side note I can almost gurantee the Warriors, Hornets and Twolves won't make the playoffs.

Warriors-Glass team will start off strong but Curry, Lee amd Bogut will breakdown as the season progresses. . .again.

Hornets-Gordon is already injured and its barely the pre-season. That contract is going to look worse and worse as be keeps getting injured. Also a lot of new faces and 2 rookies in the starting line up they are going straight to a top 5 pick again.

Twolves-This one is tricky because they look good on paper and, K-Love is a stat stuffer and Rubio has been so overrated ever since people heard of him. Guess what we have a Ricky Rubio clone in our bench too his name is kendall marshall(can't shoot, can't defend and all he does is make fancy passes). Also he is the 2nd coming of Steph Curry(star potential but injuries will hold him back for the rest of his career. B-roy is worn out and will play 20 games at most then be out for the season. Pek is legit nothing to say about him. AK47 will start to play just like Hedo did after he got paid(trash). K-Love will be a stat stuffer as usual but if they don't get him real help he will probably end up, and I hate to say this, in a Lakers uniform when Kobe's contract is up. Best case is they get a high pick and, I don't know the cap situation, try to sign OJ Mayo(potential) or a legit 20ppg SG. Also Derrick Williams will play out the same way Beasley did minus the weed lol. What I would suggest is that, since Houston is having a blow out sale, they try to trade Dwill, picks and some expiring player for Kevin Martin.

How is Rubio overrated, and how is Klove a stat stuffer?

The suns should have fun with all our sloppy seconds. They did so well for us I don't know why they wouldn't help you guys reach the playoffs. I love how you made some of the biggest claims ever. Do you know when B-roy is going to break down? How do you know AK47 is going to suck? The guy plays stellar defense and can guard multiple positions.

I would bet anything that the timberwolves finish with the better record compared to the suns. I would even say by a wide margin, maybe even 10 wins between the two.

mdm692
10-09-2012, 01:45 AM
How is Rubio overrated, and how is Klove a stat stuffer?

The suns should have fun with all our sloppy seconds. They did so well for us I don't know why they wouldn't help you guys reach the playoffs. I love how you made some of the biggest claims ever. Do you know when B-roy is going to break down? How do you know AK47 is going to suck? The guy plays stellar defense and can guard multiple positions.

I would bet anything that the timberwolves finish with the better record compared to the suns. I would even say by a wide margin, maybe even 10 wins between the two.
Rubio can't shoot and can't defend. Players work better or worse under different systems. Everybody and their grandmother stuffs the stat sheet(not saying he is bad because he is the best PF in the league). B-roy has a huuuuuuge documented history of injuries shortening his season. Be a homer if you like but AK47 was just a move out of fear to show KLove they are trying to get him help but what they really need is a scoring wing 20ppg. I really think Batum would of been that for them. The Wolves will be lucky to win the series vs the Suns let alone finish 10 wins ahead of them. It's all a matter of opinion sorry if I struck a nerve.

ChiTownPacerFan
10-09-2012, 02:04 AM
1. Miami
2. Boston
3. Indiana
4. Brooklyn
5. Chicago
6. Philadelphia
7. New York
8. Cleveland




1. Lakers
2. Thunder
3. Spurs
4. Nuggets
5. Clippers
6. Grizzlies
7. Golden State
8. Dallas

pacersfan1967
10-09-2012, 05:09 AM
1 heat.. 2 pacers 3 boston , 4 knicks. 5 sixers. 6 nets. 7 bulls. 8 bucks.. .western conference 1 lakers. 2 thunder. 3 spurs. 4 clippers. 5 nuggets, 6 memphis, 7 dallas 8 wolves...

ombada
10-09-2012, 07:11 AM
Because people on here let the majority vote impact their choice. They act like sheep in terms of them not wanting to feel wrong. I have been right about every overated team in the past. After Bucks made it far in 2010, I knew the next year they wouldnt make the playoffs , while most felt they would win the division. ANd I feel like Kevin Love is David Lee in terms of no impact and stats.

I dont believe you for a minute. You are neglecting to acknowlege that the Nets are the most largely overated team outside the knicks in the eastern conference, possibly the entire league.


1. Miami Heat
2. Brooklyn Nets
3. Indiana Pacers because they have nobody in their division *still overated*
4. Boston Celtics
5. ATL Hawks
6. NY Knicks
7. Chicago Bulls
8. 76ers

WEST

1. OKC Thunder
2. LA Lakers
3. San Antonio Spurs
4. LA Clippers
5. Denver Nuggets
6. Memphis Grizzles
7. Golden State Warriors
8. PHX Suns

Its not worth arguing with you, but you will eat crow on this one. Im not going to go through the trouble of quoting you in my sig, but by the end of the year both of these statements will be proven wrong.

JNoel
10-09-2012, 07:25 AM
Many are underrating the Raptors and Wizards, both will be clear-cut candidates for the 8th seed.

heyman321
10-09-2012, 08:54 AM
Nice explanation. Either way the Suns have a better shot at the playoffs, even if they were in a conference with MIA, BOS, NYK, BK, LAL, DEN, LAC and OKC, than what the Raptors do if they were in a conference with CHA, POR, NOH, SAC, GSW, MIL, ORL and HOU. I don't even know why I bother to respond you have the hopes of your franchise relying on Landry Fields :facepalm:

No they won't. Raptors will have the better record and will win the season series vs the Suns easily. I know you Phoenix fans are upset that Nash went to the Lakers, but no need to get delusional. The only bright spot on your team is Dragic, everyone else is terrible.

DoMeFavors
10-09-2012, 09:38 AM
I dont believe you for a minute. You are neglecting to acknowlege that the Nets are the most largely overated team outside the knicks in the eastern conference, possibly the entire league.



Its not worth arguing with you, but you will eat crow on this one. Im not going to go through the trouble of quoting you in my sig, but by the end of the year both of these statements will be proven wrong.

Nets are not overated, nobody is saying the Nets will do well. They are underated but thats fine we like it that way.

DaBUU
10-09-2012, 09:53 AM
Bulls are eying Eddy Curry if he doesn't make the Spurs. These rankings are all thrown out the window if that happens.

Faabs89
10-09-2012, 10:14 AM
I'm a raps fan too, but if they come close to a playoff birth it would be a miracle. You're reaching a bit there with the raps at 7.

You're pretty much hoping that for the first time since Colangelo got here, the multiple guys he brought in are going to do something productive.

idrinkpepsi
10-09-2012, 10:16 AM
Many are underrating the Raptors and Wizards, both will be clear-cut candidates for the 8th seed.Isn't John Wall missing the first month of the season or something? I mean depending on how good Bradley Beal is, it really is a throw up on how they do they do in the first month of the season w/o Wall. I may be biased (I'm a Raps fan) but I really like the Raptors chances this year and I think they'll at least make some noise for that eighth seed, either coming close or actually getting it.

2-ONE-5
10-09-2012, 10:32 AM
Rubio can't shoot and can't defend. Players work better or worse under different systems. Everybody and their grandmother stuffs the stat sheet(not saying he is bad because he is the best PF in the league). B-roy has a huuuuuuge documented history of injuries shortening his season. Be a homer if you like but AK47 was just a move out of fear to show KLove they are trying to get him help but what they really need is a scoring wing 20ppg. I really think Batum would of been that for them. The Wolves will be lucky to win the series vs the Suns let alone finish 10 wins ahead of them. It's all a matter of opinion sorry if I struck a nerve.

wrong

heattiltheend94
10-09-2012, 10:48 AM
1. Heat
2. Pacers
3. Celtics (better than Pacers, but I don't feel this is a regular season team)
4. Nets
5. Knicks
6. 76ers
7. Bulls
8. Bucks

1. OKC
2. Spurs
3. Lakers (think their chemistry will struggle at first, but by end of year, top team in West)
4. Denver
5. Clippers
6. Memphis
7. Minnesota
8. Utah

and Dallas does not make playoffs

mdm692
10-09-2012, 11:22 AM
No they won't. Raptors will have the better record and will win the season series vs the Suns easily. I know you Phoenix fans are upset that Nash went to the Lakers, but no need to get delusional. The only bright spot on your team is Dragic, everyone else is terrible.

:laugh: If anybody is upset is Raptors fans just when you thought you were getting a star PG to carry your team into the playoffs he ends up in LA. What do you do to make up for missing out on Nash? Sign Landry Fields :laugh:.

29$JerZ
10-09-2012, 11:42 AM
Rubio can't shoot and can't defend. Players work better or worse under different systems. Everybody and their grandmother stuffs the stat sheet(not saying he is bad because he is the best PF in the league). B-roy has a huuuuuuge documented history of injuries shortening his season. Be a homer if you like but AK47 was just a move out of fear to show KLove they are trying to get him help but what they really need is a scoring wing 20ppg. I really think Batum would of been that for them. The Wolves will be lucky to win the series vs the Suns let alone finish 10 wins ahead of them. It's all a matter of opinion sorry if I struck a nerve.

You are dead wrong on Rubio with his defense.

2-ONE-5
10-09-2012, 11:55 AM
:laugh: If anybody is upset is Raptors fans just when you thought you were getting a star PG to carry your team into the playoffs he ends up in LA. What do you do to make up for missing out on Nash? Sign Landry Fields :laugh:.

ummm Kyle Lowry?

xxplayerxx23
10-09-2012, 12:17 PM
Player I'll sig bet you the Bulls will have a better record than the Knicks. The bench will be fine.

Done.

Sota4Ever
10-09-2012, 01:52 PM
Rubio can't shoot and can't defend. Players work better or worse under different systems. Everybody and their grandmother stuffs the stat sheet(not saying he is bad because he is the best PF in the league). B-roy has a huuuuuuge documented history of injuries shortening his season. Be a homer if you like but AK47 was just a move out of fear to show KLove they are trying to get him help but what they really need is a scoring wing 20ppg. I really think Batum would of been that for them. The Wolves will be lucky to win the series vs the Suns let alone finish 10 wins ahead of them. It's all a matter of opinion sorry if I struck a nerve.

Yeah Rubio's D sucks..:facepalm: B-roy is a big question but he has been playing over the summer and hasn't had an problems yet. Hopefully that sticks. Ak47 was not a move out of fear. He is perfect for Adelman's system and he also brings something to us that we haven't had outside of Rubio. He can play great defense.

No nerve struck, I am just amazed at your homerism. Almost worse then Dmf. Didn't think that was possible.

HotMayo
10-09-2012, 02:24 PM
Done.

Bulls let go john lucas (very underrared player like carl landry) and d-rose is hurt. Idk bout that and im not trying to hate or anything. RIP is still very good but who are your guards for the time being? jimmy butler, nate robinson. eh we will see

xxplayerxx23
10-09-2012, 02:50 PM
Bulls let go john lucas (very underrared player like carl landry) and d-rose is hurt. Idk bout that and im not trying to hate or anything. RIP is still very good but who are your guards for the time being? jimmy butler, nate robinson. eh we will see

Im sig betting that the Knicks will have a better record then the bulls.

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 02:51 PM
Rubio can't shoot and can't defend. Players work better or worse under different systems. Everybody and their grandmother stuffs the stat sheet(not saying he is bad because he is the best PF in the league). B-roy has a huuuuuuge documented history of injuries shortening his season. Be a homer if you like but AK47 was just a move out of fear to show KLove they are trying to get him help but what they really need is a scoring wing 20ppg. I really think Batum would of been that for them. The Wolves will be lucky to win the series vs the Suns let alone finish 10 wins ahead of them. It's all a matter of opinion sorry if I struck a nerve.

someone doesn't watch the Wolves or read the paper...

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 02:52 PM
dude, you are giving significant minutes to our ****** wings from the last 2 years. Good luck bud....

mdm692
10-09-2012, 03:00 PM
We will see about that. Sometimes troubled players just need a good coach. Remember Lamar Odom.

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 03:03 PM
We will see about that. Sometimes trouble players just need a good coach. Remember Lamar Odom.

Rick Adelman isn't a good coach? Beasley is a knucklehead. Talented but unfocused, with tunnel vision and no desire to guard anyone. Wes Johnson is already 25, with shattered confidence, and no ability to play on offense. You are not going to like him on the floor by game 20 dude, trust me.

JLynn943
10-09-2012, 03:03 PM
We will see about that. Sometimes troubled players just need a good coach. Remember Lamar Odom.

You don't think Adelman is a good coach, or at the very least better than Gentry? :eyebrow:

mdm692
10-09-2012, 03:08 PM
Yeah Rubio's D sucks..:facepalm: B-roy is a big question but he has been playing over the summer and hasn't had an problems yet. Hopefully that sticks. Ak47 was not a move out of fear. He is perfect for Adelman's system and he also brings something to us that we haven't had outside of Rubio. He can play great defense.

No nerve struck, I am just amazed at your homerism. Almost worse then Dmf. Didn't think that was possible.

The games I saw Rubio played he was pretty bad on D. Also tell me how am I a homer when we have all the talent and potential(KEY WORD) to be a playoff team. Homerism is thinking the Suns will be a top 4 seed and make it to the WCF. You guys are just overrating your team.

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 03:09 PM
The games I saw Rubio played he was pretty bad on D. Also tell me how am I a homer when we have all the talent and potential(KEY WORD) to be a playoff team. Homerism is thinking the Suns will be a top 4 seed and make it to the WCF. You guys are just overrating your team.

you are basing your entire evaluation of Rubio off one game? Your wings are a mess, Scola is on the wrong side of 30, I like Gortat, and even Dragic. No bench really, and in a stacked conference. On paper, the Wolves are clearly better. But games aren't played on paper, are they?

Mr. LA
10-09-2012, 03:11 PM
East

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.Bobcats

I'm serious too....

xxplayerxx23
10-09-2012, 03:12 PM
Nuggets>Lakers
Im serious.

Mr. LA
10-09-2012, 03:13 PM
Nuggets>Lakers
Im serious.

Laker 5th best player is far and away better then the Nuggets best player
I'm serious

xxplayerxx23
10-09-2012, 03:15 PM
Laker 5th best player is far and away better then the Nuggets best player
I'm serious

:laugh:

mdm692
10-09-2012, 03:15 PM
When did I say Adelman was not a good coach. Certain players react different to other coaches. Once again Lamar Odom. Wes Johnson actually has been on fire all training camp and his confidence actually is the highest its been since he joined the league. He stated he prefers the change of scenary because the offense resembles the offense he played in college where he was very succesful.

Nycbball08
10-09-2012, 03:20 PM
Why do so many people have the Pacers ahead of the Celtics?? Don't know what y'all smoking..!!!

mdm692
10-09-2012, 03:20 PM
you are basing your entire evaluation of Rubio off one game? Your wings are a mess, Scola is on the wrong side of 30, I like Gortat, and even Dragic. No bench really, and in a stacked conference. On paper, the Wolves are clearly better. But games aren't played on paper, are they?

No I actually watched a few games. And what you mean no bench lol.

JLynn943
10-09-2012, 03:22 PM
When did I say Adelman was not a good coach. Certain players react different to other coaches. Once again Lamar Odom. Wes Johnson actually has been on fire all training camp and his confidence actually is the highest its been since he joined the league. He stated he prefers the change of scenary because the offense resembles the offense he played in college where he was very succesful.

"Sometimes players just need a good coach" is obviously suggesting he didn't have a good coach. You're just being a homer - refusing to recognize Rubio for the player he is while being overly hyped on players that held back their team last year. Maybe Beasley and Wes will suddenly get it together and play well, but I think you should wait for some evidence that they've turned it around before declaring your team a playoff team. They are far from proven commodities.

Nycbball08
10-09-2012, 03:29 PM
East
1. Heat
2. Celtics
3. Pacers
4. Bulls
5. 76ers
6. Nets
7. Hawks
8. Knicks

West
1. Thunder
2. Lakers
3. Spurs
4. Nuggets
5. Grizzlies
6. Clippers
7. Timberwolves
8. Warriors

I could see the Bucks or Mavs sneaking in though
Yeah ok, the Hawks ahead of the Knicks...:facepalm:

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 03:33 PM
When did I say Adelman was not a good coach. Certain players react different to other coaches. Once again Lamar Odom. Wes Johnson actually has been on fire all training camp and his confidence actually is the highest its been since he joined the league. He stated he prefers the change of scenary because the offense resembles the offense he played in college where he was very succesful.

well, good luck with all that dude. I watched Beasley and Johnson for 2 years, every game they played. They were the worst wings in the NBA, starter wise. And I mean the worst.

Training camp is where everyone looks great, and everyone says they are going to have a great year. Why do people buy into that every year?

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 03:35 PM
dude, I tried to defend Beasley as well. "he just needs a change, and he will beast".

Yeah, not so much.

2-ONE-5
10-09-2012, 03:36 PM
Laker 5th best player is far and away better then the Nuggets best player
I'm serious

LOL. S-it Lakers fans say

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 03:38 PM
No I actually watched a few games. And what you mean no bench lol.

if you watched a few Wolves games and came away with Rubio being a poor defender, I question your basic understanding of the game.

No bench. It means your bench is not very good. Beasley is an acceptable bench player, if that is Gentry's plan. Wes sucks. Frye is a nice shooter who is underrated defensively, but not much more. Morris I like, but he is a terrible defender. Telfair, and Marshall, whatever. O'Neal sucks at this point.

topdog
10-09-2012, 03:39 PM
Doesn't really matter the Suns WILL BE in the playoffs and thats all I care. On a side note I can almost gurantee the Warriors, Hornets and Twolves won't make the playoffs.

Warriors-Glass team will start off strong but Curry, Lee amd Bogut will breakdown as the season progresses. . .again.

Hornets-Gordon is already injured and its barely the pre-season. That contract is going to look worse and worse as be keeps getting injured. Also a lot of new faces and 2 rookies in the starting line up they are going straight to a top 5 pick again.

Twolves-This one is tricky because they look good on paper and, K-Love is a stat stuffer and Rubio has been so overrated ever since people heard of him. Guess what we have a Ricky Rubio clone in our bench too his name is kendall marshall(can't shoot, can't defend and all he does is make fancy passes). Also he is the 2nd coming of Steph Curry(star potential but injuries will hold him back for the rest of his career. B-roy is worn out and will play 20 games at most then be out for the season. Pek is legit nothing to say about him. AK47 will start to play just like Hedo did after he got paid(trash). K-Love will be a stat stuffer as usual but if they don't get him real help he will probably end up, and I hate to say this, in a Lakers uniform when Kobe's contract is up. Best case is they get a high pick and, I don't know the cap situation, try to sign OJ Mayo(potential) or a legit 20ppg SG. Also Derrick Williams will play out the same way Beasley did minus the weed lol. What I would suggest is that, since Houston is having a blow out sale, they try to trade Dwill, picks and some expiring player for Kevin Martin.

No... no, they won't. If Nash and Hill couldn't do it in a shortened season, the hodgepodge that was brought in this year isn't going to imo.

"Rubio clone?" That's cute. Check last years stats and see who was trading places at the top of the leaderboard for steals and assists with Paul and Rondo (btw, Rubio went down too soon to qualify for end of season but you can turn that option off).

Love is not a stat-stuffer and I think a lot of people are going to be eating crow this year for calling him that.

Roy undoubtedly is a questionn mark. The thing that makes me hopeful is that this new treatment he got uses stem cells so maybe he can re-grow enough cartilidge to keep playing at an above average level.

AK is playing on his cheapest contract since year 5. There is nothing to suggest he will be anything like Turkoglu. Realistically, he may get injured, but so could a lot of other players.

Williams is only in his second year and reports (though all reports are usually glowing this time of year) suggest that he has really improved his game defensively, his consistency and his ability to finish at the rim.

Chase Budinger is a solid player who definitely has been better than Wes Johnson so far in his career. Cunningham, Amundson and Stiemsma all provide some nice energy and depth.

JLynn943
10-09-2012, 03:39 PM
Yeah ok, the Hawks ahead of the Knicks...:facepalm:

Why not? The Knicks were a lower seed last year and could have missed the playoffs if not for Lin stepping up. Meanwhile the Hawks were a higher seed without Horford and now lost an incredibly overrated player in Joe Johnson while having Horford back. Until the Knicks learn how to play together effectively, they aren't as good as the Hawks (if healthy).

Mr. LA
10-09-2012, 03:43 PM
LOL. S-it Lakers fans say

World Peace > Iggy/Lawson :nod: you'll see

2-ONE-5
10-09-2012, 03:44 PM
I didnt put Minny in the playoffs but I am def pullin for em. I have been coming around on Love and I have been a Rubio fan for years now. I think Kirilenko is going to be huge for this team. He looked refreshed/rejuvenated in the Olympics and would have won the MVP if they didnt choke (they shoulda been in the finals). If AK comes back and plays how he did over the summer the Wolves will be im business

xxplayerxx23
10-09-2012, 03:44 PM
World Peace > Iggy/Lawson :nod: you'll see

Mozgov>MWP

topdog
10-09-2012, 03:44 PM
When did I say Adelman was not a good coach. Certain players react different to other coaches. Once again Lamar Odom. Wes Johnson actually has been on fire all training camp and his confidence actually is the highest its been since he joined the league. He stated he prefers the change of scenary because the offense resembles the offense he played in college where he was very succesful.

I can agree with you in still having hope for Wes. He didn't have a terrible rookie year and he has the prototypical attributes of a SF. I think he can do well in PHX and I hope he does.

Beasley, on the other hand, has had his second chances and he is and always will be a chucker. Him telling the media that he'll be an all-star just means that he's eyeing all those shots he's going to take 5 seconds into the shot clock.

2-ONE-5
10-09-2012, 03:44 PM
World Peace > Iggy/Lawson :nod: you'll see

LOL Sh-t Lakers fans still say

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 03:45 PM
World Peace > Iggy/Lawson :nod: you'll see

stop trolling dude. This is trolling. Do you get it yet?

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 03:46 PM
I can agree with you in still having hope for Wes. He didn't have a terrible rookie year and he has the prototypical attributes of a SF. I think he can do well in PHX and I hope he does.

Beasley, on the other hand, has had his second chances and he is and always will be a chucker. Him telling the media that he'll be an all-star just means that he's eyeing all those shots he's going to take 5 seconds into the shot clock.

Wes is 25, can't shoot, can't dribble, and is scared of the paint. He might survive in the league as a defender, but he is a lost cause on offense.

Mr. LA
10-09-2012, 03:50 PM
stop trolling dude. This is trolling. Do you get it yet?

If you said Wade > Bryant ... would that be trolling...? no! of course Wade isn't better then Bryant but can you make an argument that he is? of course you can... well did you forget World Peace is a former defensive player of the year and a former all star and a NBA champion... Iggy and Lawson are former nobodies.... they have done nothing in this league!!! Peace has been out of shape for the past few years but he has worked to get back to an elite level... he is only 32! IMO he is better then Iggy and Lawson.... Idk what is trolling about it??? please explain to me why it is trolling and I'll stop without a problem dude

xxplayerxx23
10-09-2012, 03:52 PM
If you said Wade > Bryant ... would that be trolling...? no! of course Wade isn't better then Bryant but can you make an argument that he is? of course you can... well did you forget World Peace is a former defensive player of the year and a former all star... Iggy and Lawson are former nobodies.... they have done nothing in this league!!! Peace has been out of shape for the past few years but he has worked to get back to an elite level... he is only 32! IMO he is better then Iggy and Lawson.... Idk what is trolling about it??? please explain to me why it is trolling and I'll stop without a problem dude

:eyebrow: HOW is Wade not better then Kobe? Iggy is better at the one think MWP is known for. MWP is nothing now. He is horrible. You say these irrational things and thats why it's trolling.

Mr. LA
10-09-2012, 03:55 PM
:eyebrow: HOW is Wade not better then Kobe? Iggy is better at the one think MWP is known for. MWP is nothing now. He is horrible. You say these irrational things and thats why it's trolling.

Wade is not better then Kobe because Kobe is better at basketball :confused:

and that is where you are wrong.... did you ever hear of a comeback? He is not horrible. World Peace is back....I believe this

xxplayerxx23
10-09-2012, 03:56 PM
Wade is not better then Kobe because Kobe is better at basketball :confused:

and that is where you are wrong.... did you ever hear of a comeback? World Peace is back....I believe this

What does Kobe even do better then Wade? Kobe is a inefficent scorer at this point, Wade is the better rebounder, Defender, and the more efficent scorer. Yes I've heard of Comeback but MWP is far from one.

JLynn943
10-09-2012, 03:58 PM
What does Kobe even do better then Wade? Kobe is a inefficent scorer at this point, Wade is the better rebounder, Defender, and the more efficent scorer. Yes I've heard of Comeback but MWP is far from one.

Yeah, I wouldn't bother... lol

Mr. LA
10-09-2012, 04:00 PM
What does Kobe even do better then Wade? Kobe is a inefficent scorer at this point, Wade is the better rebounder, Defender, and the more efficent scorer. Yes I've heard of Comeback but MWP is far from one.

Their is a reason that Kobe was ranked ahead of Wade in ESPN NBA player ranks.... their is a reason Kobe was ranked ahead of Wade in NBA2K13.... Thier is a reason Kobe was ranked ahead of Wade in CBSSports Player Rankings.... Who even thinks Wade is better then Bryant? Do Heat fans even think that?

and the season hasn't even started yet and you don't even follow the Lakers so who are you to say that MWP is not back?

mdm692
10-09-2012, 04:00 PM
"Sometimes players just need a good coach" is obviously suggesting he didn't have a good coach. You're just being a homer - refusing to recognize Rubio for the player he is while being overly hyped on players that held back their team last year. Maybe Beasley and Wes will suddenly get it together and play well, but I think you should wait for some evidence that they've turned it around before declaring your team a playoff team. They are far from proven commodities.

Yes because different players react different to different ccoaches regardless if the coach is Phil Jackson, Eric Spoelstra or Thiboddeu. Either way I stand by my comments thats my opinion and we'll see how the season plays out. Best of luck may be the best team win.

xxplayerxx23
10-09-2012, 04:02 PM
Their is a reason that Kobe was ranked ahead of Wade in ESPN NBA player ranks.... their is a reason Kobe was ranked ahead of Wade in NBA2K13.... Thier is a reason Kobe was ranked ahead of Wade in CBSSports Player Rankings.... Who even thinks Wade is better then Bryant? Do Heat fans even think that?

and the season hasn't even started yet and you don't even follow the Lakers so who are you to say that MWP is not back?

Its like talking to a brick wall. What does Kobe do better then Wade and you bring up rankings lol. MWP is a scrub, that is a little above average on defense. Im done with this. Have a good night.

KnickaBocka.44
10-09-2012, 04:03 PM
Wade is not better then Kobe because Kobe is better at basketball :confused:

and that is where you are wrong.... did you ever hear of a comeback? He is not horrible. World Peace is back....I believe this

Igoudala is better than MWP, that shouldn't even be up for debate. As for Lawson, he is between 7-10 as far as PGs in the league and is still getting better

goose14741
10-09-2012, 04:03 PM
Little late but
1.heat
2.celtics
3.pacers
4.knicks
5.bulls
6.hawks
7.sixers
8.nets

Atlantic teams will struggle with their record due to the strength in the division

West
1.lakers
2.thunder
3.spurs
4.Clippers
6.nuggets
7.mavs
8.hornets

Hornets are a gamble, timberwolves might be more likely, having anderson is big tho for noh, very underrated move

Mr. LA
10-09-2012, 04:06 PM
Its like talking to a brick wall. What does Kobe do better then Wade and you bring up rankings lol. MWP is a scrub, that is a little above average on defense. Im done with this. Have a good night.

Ok you want a direct answer from me? fine ... Bryant averaged more points, more assists, more rebounds, better free throw% better 3point % and Bryant was actually the best player on his own team last year....what does Wade exactly have on Bryant? nothing

oh and Bryant played through broken fingers, a broken nose (that by the way...the jealous Dwayne Wade purposely gave to him) numerous other injuries that I forgot already... I didn't even name the injuries he needed surjery for....and for Wade... a paper cut could end his season... oh and one last thing...Kobe Bryant owns Wade's life when they play each other

thebusnotjerome
10-09-2012, 04:09 PM
Eastern Conference

1) Miami Heat
2) Indiana Pacers
3) Boston Celtics
4) New York Knicks
5) Brooklyn Nets
6) Milwaukee Bucks
7) Chicago Bulls
8) Atlanta Hawks

Western Conference
1) Oklahoma City Thunder
2) Los Angeles Lakers
3) San Antonio Spurs
4) Denver Nuggets
5) Los Angeles Clippers
6) Dallas Mavericks
7) Memphis Grizzlies
8) Minnesota Timberwolves

topdog
10-09-2012, 04:09 PM
Wade is not better then Kobe because Kobe is better at basketball :confused:

and that is where you are wrong.... did you ever hear of a comeback? He is not horrible. World Peace is back....I believe this

Debating Wade/Kobe as to who is better is one thing because they are both in the upper echelon of basketball players and SGs.

If you seriously don't get why the MWP thing is trolling, here's why: over the last 3 years Artest has averaged roughly 9 points on just over 40% shooting, about 3.5 rebounds and a little over a steal.

When you claim that he is better than players who have consistently put up better and more efficient stats because you have a hunch, that means that either: A. you don't get it or B. you're trolling other posters trying to draw a response. Either way, people are going to assume it's B. If it is A, then you should probably stick to the Lakers forum. Maybe MWP has a comeback year (and there's no issue in suggesting he will - it's your opinion), but to claim that he is better than any number of players is contrary to fact and reason.

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 04:13 PM
If you said Wade > Bryant ... would that be trolling...? no! of course Wade isn't better then Bryant but can you make an argument that he is? of course you can... well did you forget World Peace is a former defensive player of the year and a former all star and a NBA champion... Iggy and Lawson are former nobodies.... they have done nothing in this league!!! Peace has been out of shape for the past few years but he has worked to get back to an elite level... he is only 32! IMO he is better then Iggy and Lawson.... Idk what is trolling about it??? please explain to me why it is trolling and I'll stop without a problem dude

Do you not get what trolling is? Its saying a clearly inferior player is better than another teams player, just to get a rise. Even if you are delusional enough to believe it, nobody on the planet agrees. When you start getting threads off topic by making outlandish posts, or poking at fan bases constantly, that is trolling man.

You will never, and I mean never, sell me that Ron Artest, or whatever he calls himself, is better than a handful of Nuggets players.

xxplayerxx23
10-09-2012, 04:14 PM
Ok you want a direct answer from me? fine ... Bryant averaged more points, more assists, more rebounds, better free throw% better 3point % and Bryant was actually the best player on his own team last year....what does Wade exactly have on Bryant? nothing

oh and Bryant played through broken fingers, a broken nose (that by the way...the jealous Dwayne Wade purposely gave to him) numerous other injuries that I forgot already... I didn't even name the injuries he needed surjery for....and for Wade... a paper cut could end his season... oh and one last thing...Kobe Bryant owns Wade's life when they play each other

Wade dealt with a Knee injury the whole year. Wade when healthy is the better rebounder, passer and way more efficent.

Mr. LA
10-09-2012, 04:15 PM
Debating Wade/Kobe as to who is better is one thing because they are both in the upper echelon of basketball players and SGs.

If you seriously don't get why the MWP thing is trolling, here's why: over the last 3 years Artest has averaged roughly 9 points on just over 40% shooting, about 3.5 rebounds and a little over a steal.

When you claim that he is better than players who have consistently put up better and more efficient stats because you have a hunch, that means that either: A. you don't get it or B. you're trolling other posters trying to draw a response. Either way, people are going to assume it's B. If it is A, then you should probably stick to the Lakers forum. Maybe MWP has a comeback year (and there's no issue in suggesting he will - it's your opinion), but to claim that he is better than any number of players is contrary to fact and reason.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-elliott-world-peace-20121005,0,4956536.column

I'm not just making something up...that is one of numerous sources....

as well as Bryant saying he looks like Indiana Ron Artest...which in that case Ron Artest(indiana) >> Iggy .... Jamison and Mike Brown said he lloks like an all star...and so far in the pre season... you can tell he is back

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 04:16 PM
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-elliott-world-peace-20121005,0,4956536.column

I'm not just making something up...that is one of numerous sources....

as well as Bryant saying he looks like Indiana Ron Artest...which in that case Ron Artest(indiana) >> Iggy .... Jamison and Mike Brown said he lloks like an all star...and so far in the pre season... you can tell he is back

None of that matters. Its the preseason. Every beat writer is getting quotes about how amazing a player here or there looks for their team. It doesn't change the level of MWP's play the last few years. You know, the evidence that debunks your claims to the nth degree.

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 04:16 PM
hell, if I believed Minny's beat writer, Derrick Williams will get MVP votes this year...

Mr. LA
10-09-2012, 04:17 PM
Do you not get what trolling is? Its saying a clearly inferior player is better than another teams player, just to get a rise. Even if you are delusional enough to believe it, nobody on the planet agrees. When you start getting threads off topic by making outlandish posts, or poking at fan bases constantly, that is trolling man.

You will never, and I mean never, sell me that Ron Artest, or whatever he calls himself, is better than a handful of Nuggets players.

Fine then I'll just shut up about it.... and when you see for yourself that Metta World Peace is a beast and can wreck anyone that gets in his path.... then I'll come find you around game 25 of the NBA season and you can apologize if you want... ok?

WhoAmI-
10-09-2012, 04:17 PM
Miami Heat
NY Knicks
Boston Celtics
Indiana Pacers
76ers
Chicago
Nets
Charlotte

Thunders
Lakers
Spurs
Nuggets
Clippers
Grizzlies
Mavs
Rockets

Oefarmy2005
10-09-2012, 04:18 PM
Laker 5th best player is far and away better then the Nuggets best player
I'm serious

That's why it's a team game and Nuggets are a really good TEAM. Lakers are better though...

Mr. LA
10-09-2012, 04:18 PM
Wade dealt with a Knee injury the whole year. Wade when healthy is the better rebounder, passer and way more efficent.

Unfortuently Wade is NEVER healthy and health is a big part of being better then the Black Mamba .... Greg Oden might be better then Dwight Howard who knows? but he is injured all the time so tough luck deal with it

KnickaBocka.44
10-09-2012, 04:21 PM
Fine then I'll just shut up about it.... and when you see for yourself that Metta World Peace is a beast and can wreck anyone that gets in his path.... then I'll come find you around game 25 of the NBA season and you can apologize if you want... ok?

He has already proven, most recently with James Harden, that this is true. However, he still hasn't proven your point so to argue that he is better than someone who just played on Team USA is ridiculous.

Oefarmy2005
10-09-2012, 04:23 PM
Let's clear this up once and for all - we are all homers to some extent. Off course we want our team to win and our team's players to be better than players from other teams, but it still doesn't excuse trolling. Iggy is considered to be much-much more valuable than MWP by anyone and everyone who knows a thing or two about basketball, so suggesting otherwise is silly. I sill don't understand all the hate for my Wolves... It's not like anyone put them in the top 5 in WCF, including Wolves fans. 8th seed is nothing to write home about, but in general, once again, on paper, they are better than all other WCF teams that will be fighting for that spot excluding GSW - I think they are about on par. Now in all reality, anything can happen and the Wolves may finish last in WCF, who knows, but an educated guess is they have a very good chance of making the big dance this season.

WhoAmI-
10-09-2012, 04:23 PM
Knicks vs Lakers in the finals. I called it first.

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 04:23 PM
Fine then I'll just shut up about it.... and when you see for yourself that Metta World Peace is a beast and can wreck anyone that gets in his path.... then I'll come find you around game 25 of the NBA season and you can apologize if you want... ok?

Why would I apologize? Look, its training camp. When every team has playoff aspirations (yes, even the cellar dwellers), every player improved in the offseason, every player is in amazing shape, blah, blah, blah. And then the regular season starts, and everything goes back to normal. A few guys break out, a few decline, injuries, and normalcy.

Buying into your local beat reporters quotes from a player in practice is going to cause you anxiety over the years haha.

HotMayo
10-09-2012, 04:25 PM
Im sig betting that the Knicks will have a better record then the bulls.

Couldn't agree more to this. It sucks you guys had to let chaunce go. I am a huge fan for whatever team he plays for. But hopefully sheed can help you guys out. He is a huge veteran presence with immense talent. Even if he is in the upper 30's doesn't matter to me because everyone takes care of themselves so well nowadays. Athletes can play at a high level well into there 30's and the last 5 years has been evident to that for me, at least.

Good luck to you guys and hope you beat the heat!

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 04:25 PM
That's why it's a team game and Nuggets are a really good TEAM. Lakers are better tough...

Hollinger has only done his top 2 from each conference, but has San Antonio and Denver 1-2 in the west. The man is usually more accurate than most, though I am not sure I agree entirely. That being said, SA is always a regular season machine, and Denver's depth will overwhelm a lot of teams in the regular season. He made it a point to say neither will be favorites in the playoffs to go to the WCF's however.

Oefarmy2005
10-09-2012, 04:25 PM
Unfortuently Wade is NEVER healthy and health is a big part of being better then the Black Mamba .... Greg Oden might be better then Dwight Howard who knows? but he is injured all the time so tough luck deal with it

I think it's a toss up at this point, but if I have to pick one or the other for the next 2-3 seasons, it has to be Wade. I am expecting Kobe to take a pretty big step back in the next season or two. Nobody here is arguing that prime Wade is better than prime Kobe, it's not close at this point, but Kobe is getting long in the tooth.

Oefarmy2005
10-09-2012, 04:27 PM
Hollinger has only done his top 2 from each conference, but has San Antonio and Denver 1-2 in the west. The man is usually more accurate than most, though I am not sure I agree entirely. That being said, SA is always a regular season machine, and Denver's depth will overwhelm a lot of teams in the regular season. He made it a point to say neither will be favorites in the playoffs to go to the WCF's however.

Yep, and he is probably right. Some teams are just built for the regular season while others are much better suited for a long series vs the same team, especially if they have good coaching and younger talent.

JNoel
10-09-2012, 04:29 PM
D12 Fan, whoops I mean Mr. LA is trolling hard today...

JNoel
10-09-2012, 04:30 PM
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Mr. LA
10-09-2012, 04:30 PM
Gosh you guys act like Iguodala is a basketball god...the dude averages 12 points 5 assists 6 rebounds in 36 minutes ... Yeah I know he is good at defense.... but MWP's defense hasn't really taken much of a hit the last 3 years...he still locks down his opponent most of the time...blocks/steals do not mean much when looking at a guy's defense...another thing.... MWP was suspended for the first 5 games of the Nuggets series.... then he came back and we wrecked the Nuggets... it's not like he didn't have any value.....plus when Kobe was injured Peace averaged almost 18 ppg and played great defense....it isn't his fault that he had to play with a bunch of guys who want the ball! Now he is in much better shape and is back to old form which is scary

Mr. LA
10-09-2012, 04:32 PM
.

Do you live to try and get me banned? smh

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 04:34 PM
Gosh you guys act like Iguodala is a basketball god...the dude averages 12 points 5 assists 6 rebounds in 36 minutes ... Yeah I know he is good at defense.... but MWP's defense hasn't really taken much of a hit the last 3 years...

MWP has been god awful offensively for the past 4 years. He was terrible with the Rockets, and then with the Lakers. Hell, outside his game 7 heroics to keep the Lakers close while Kobe was missing everything, even Laker fans were calling for his head that season. His defense is not what is used to be. At times, and over portions of games, it shows. But he isn't the same player. He is no longer able to lock guys up consistently, and there is proof for this.

Iggy is essentially Artest from 7-8 years ago. But a much better passer. Iggy is far superior in every which way possible. Nobody is saying he is a basketball god, they are saying Artest is really not that good anymore. He is the Lakers weak link in the starting lineup, and wouldn't be more than an average starter AT BEST, on any team in the NBA.

JNoel
10-09-2012, 04:37 PM
Do you live to try and get me banned? smh

You responded to the wrong post, and no I don't try to get anyone banned. Just wondering why someone would be foolish enough to blatantly state that MWP>Lawson, Iguodala.

29$JerZ
10-09-2012, 04:37 PM
Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2010-11 31 LAL NBA 82 82 29.4 3.2 8.0 .397 1.0 2.8 .356 1.1 1.7 .676 1.2 2.0 3.3 2.1 1.5 0.4 1.1 2.2 8.5
2011-12 32 LAL NBA 64 45 26.9 2.9 7.3 .394 0.9 3.0 .296 1.1 1.8 .617 1.1 2.3 3.4 2.2 1.1 0.4 1.1 2.1 7.7

39% FG%
29% 3PT%

For a starting SF that has Kobe/Bynum/Gasol to draw pressure away from him is terrible.

KnickaBocka.44
10-09-2012, 04:38 PM
Iggy is essentially Artest from 7-8 years ago. But a much better passer. Iggy is far superior in every which way possible. Nobody is saying he is a basketball god, they are saying Artest is really not that good anymore. He is the Lakers weak link in the starting lineup, and wouldn't be more than an average starter AT BEST, on any team in the NBA.

This.

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 04:39 PM
Yep, and he is probably right. Some teams are just built for the regular season while others are much better suited for a long series vs the same team, especially if they have good coaching and younger talent.

Well, rotations shorten in the playoffs, where games are spaced out more, and depth with no star power ends up killing you. As does athleticism when the Spurs run into it. But yeah, both are regular season juggernauts that will just pound away wins with deep rotations.

Mr. LA
10-09-2012, 04:40 PM
You responded to the wrong post, and no I don't try to get anyone banned. Just wondering why someone would be foolish enough to blatantly state that MWP>Lawson, Iguodala.

Wanna make a deal that MWP gets more defensive player of the year votes then Iggy?

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 04:40 PM
Wanna make a deal that MWP gets more defensive player of the year votes then Iggy?

I wouldn't make that deal hahaha.

JNoel
10-09-2012, 04:44 PM
Wanna make a deal that MWP gets more defensive player of the year votes then Iggy?

Sure D12 Fan, mark my words he'll be traded midseason and then I will most likely win anyways.

Robbw241
10-09-2012, 04:44 PM
1. Heat
2. Nets
3. Celtics
4. Pacers
5. Knicks
6. Bulls
7. 6ers
8. Cavs

1. Lakers
2. Spurs
3. Thunder
4. Grizzlies
5. Clippers
6. Mavericks
7. Nuggets
8. Wolves

2-ONE-5
10-09-2012, 04:48 PM
Eastern Conference

1) Miami Heat
2) Indiana Pacers
3) Boston Celtics
4) New York Knicks
5) Brooklyn Nets
6) Milwaukee Bucks
7) Chicago Bulls
8) Atlanta Hawks

Western Conference
1) Oklahoma City Thunder
2) Los Angeles Lakers
3) San Antonio Spurs
4) Denver Nuggets
5) Los Angeles Clippers
6) Dallas Mavericks
7) Memphis Grizzlies
8) Minnesota Timberwolves

No Sixers? lol

topdog
10-09-2012, 04:48 PM
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-elliott-world-peace-20121005,0,4956536.column

I'm not just making something up...that is one of numerous sources....

as well as Bryant saying he looks like Indiana Ron Artest...which in that case Ron Artest(indiana) >> Iggy .... Jamison and Mike Brown said he lloks like an all star...and so far in the pre season... you can tell he is back

As Hawk covered, this is pre-season and these are local writers. No games have been played so there really is nothing to go on except for past performance. Past performance has shown that MWP is declining. Now, if you believe the talk that Pre-Malice Ron is back, there's no problem with saying that in the right way in the right thread. We had a bold predictions thread and that would be a great place for it. Out of respect for other fan bases, you need to keep other players out of it though until there is real data to back it up i.e. we play some games.

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 04:48 PM
I don't know why, but I have the Raps sneaking in out east.

Raye
10-09-2012, 04:48 PM
East
1. Miami
2. Indiana
3. Boston
4. New York
5. Philly
6. Brooklyn
7. Milwaukee
8. Toronto

West
1. Oklahoma
2. Lakers
3. San Antonio
4. Clippers
5. Denver
6. Memphis
7. Dallas
8. Golden State

29$JerZ
10-09-2012, 04:52 PM
I don't know why, but I have the Raps sneaking in out east.

Adding Lowry was big for them. If Val turns out to be the real deal I could see them knocking off Brooklyn off that 8th spot.

JNoel
10-09-2012, 04:55 PM
Adding Lowry was big for them. If Val turns out to be the real deal I could see them knocking off Brooklyn off that 8th spot.

You being probably the most rational Knick fan, can't say that Brooklyn will get the 8th seed or possibly miss the playoffs. The east is too weak, and the Nets aren't as bad as all of the irrational Knick fans say they are. I do see the Raptors making the playoffs though.

Mr. LA
10-09-2012, 04:58 PM
Lowry is elite... but they have nothing else!

29$JerZ
10-09-2012, 05:02 PM
You being probably the most rational Knick fan, can't say that Brooklyn will get the 8th seed or possibly miss the playoffs. The east is too weak, and the Nets aren't as bad as all of the irrational Knick fans say they are. I do see the Raptors making the playoffs though.

Well its just my opinion. They are a "see it to believe it" team for me at least.
I like their starting 5 because its extremely solid but I see some things impeding their success like Joe J fitting in with Deron, health overall, their bench playing better than they look on paper,etc.

East is weaker because Orlando is officially off the bubble but teams like Atlanta/Chicago will still be likely playoff teams given their division. Atlanta only has Miami ahead of it, Chicago only has Indy to deal with. Meanwhile Brooklyn has to deal with Boston, New York, Philly who were all playoff teams last season and got better. So for me to just automatically place them above any playoff team not named Orlando already is premature. Then you have to factor in Toronto getting Lowry for free essentially, their new big man in Val, and they improved as much as Brooklyn did.

They could be a surprise team but I wouldn't put money on it.
Knicks/Philly have to prove themselves as well since NY is dumping every ineffective young guy for more seasoned players/missing Shumpert for most of the season and Philly replaced Iggy and Brand for Bynum.
Still I see both being better than Brooklyn.

topdog
10-09-2012, 05:03 PM
I don't know why, but I have the Raps sneaking in out east.

You know that Dwane Casey is a fairly good coach who had them top 10 in defense last year. Plus, they just added your buddy Lowry from Houston, a glue guy in Fields, a fairly good shooting guard prospect in Ross and brought over a true center to play next to Bargs.

kduce
10-09-2012, 05:18 PM
I guess I'm the only one who sees the Pistons at the 8th seed in the east? We have a lot of young talent and if Greg Monroe makes the same jump this year as he did from his rookie to sophomore year then look out. Not to mention Brandon Knight and the potential blocking machine Drummond could end up being. I'm not saying we will be dominant, but there is a really good chance we will be fighting for the 7 seed.

Nick O
10-09-2012, 05:23 PM
as a toronto fan im not sure why we think were making the playoffs? o.o .... i dont know where our scoring is gonna come from but alright :p .. anywho

east
1.Heat
2.Celtics
3.pacers
4.chicago
5.knicks
6.sixers
7.nets
8.Bucks

West
1.Lakers
2.Thunder
3.Spurs
4.clippers
5.Nuggets
6.Grizz
7. mavs
8.Jazz

heusy_79
10-09-2012, 05:30 PM
1) Heat
2) Celtics
3) Bulls
4) Knicks
5) Pacers
6) Philly
7) Raptors
8) Bucks

1) OKC
2) Clippers
3) Spurs
4) Nuggets
5) Lakers
6) GS
7) Wolves
8) Mavs

Nick O
10-09-2012, 05:31 PM
1.Heat
2.Celtics
3.pacers
4.chicago
5.knicks
6.sixers
7.nets
8.Jason bay

JNoel
10-09-2012, 05:33 PM
1) Heat
2) Celtics
3) Bulls
4) Knicks
5) Pacers
6) Philly
7) Raptors
8) Bucks

1) OKC
2) Clippers
3) Spurs
4) Nuggets
5) Lakers
6) GS
7) Wolves
8) Mavs

Bulls are way too high, they get at highest a 5th seed. GS can be a surprise team and its possible that they get a spot.

latinofire21
10-09-2012, 05:43 PM
Miami
BostonIndiana
Brooklyn
New YorkChicago
Philly
Raptors
OKC
LAL
San Antonio
Denver
LAC
Memphis
Minnesota
Dallas

Your not the only one doing this. Its just not possible to have 5 teams in the same division make the playoffs. They play each other too much and will have serious impacts on the standings. I dont see Toronto making the playoffs mainly because of that. I think a team like the Wizards will take the spot just because of how stacked the Atlantic is. I would move NJ to the 7 to 8 spot because I think they are 4th best in the conference. They wont be able to compete with much deeper teams like the Celtics, Knicks, and 76ers. They have a pretty solid starting lineup but counting on anything off the bench in case of foul situation or injury seems questionable. All the teams if key players get injured in the Atlantic could really cost them the season because of all the interdivision games but I think NJ is most vulnerable in this type of scenario.

TMcC801
10-09-2012, 05:45 PM
Just like every year, no love for Utah...

Nick O
10-09-2012, 05:53 PM
MWP is still a great defender... just.. dont have him touch the ball. he doesnt need too anyway

DoMeFavors
10-09-2012, 05:54 PM
I honestly think all of you are afriad of the Nets, and afriad when the Nets vs your team.
Instead of hating on me and the Nets, why dont you be happy for me and my team?

DR_1
10-09-2012, 06:03 PM
Bulls are way too high, they get at highest a 5th seed. GS can be a surprise team and its possible that they get a spot.

:laugh: Oh, Heat fans

DoMeFavors
10-09-2012, 06:08 PM
:laugh: Oh, Heat fans

Its the truth they have no depth and no Rose

JNoel
10-09-2012, 06:09 PM
:laugh: Oh, Heat fans

Last time I checked you injured your ACL and most likely won't play this year. Your team will have no clear leader except Boozer inconsistently.

Legitimate
10-09-2012, 06:28 PM
Its the truth they have no depth and no Rose

If it makes you feel better, I have nets over knicks and philly. :D

29$JerZ
10-09-2012, 06:30 PM
I honestly think all of you are afriad of the Nets, and afriad when the Nets vs your team.
Instead of hating on me and the Nets, why dont you be happy for me and my team?

No one is scared of the Nets.

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 06:31 PM
Your not the only one doing this. Its just not possible to have 5 teams in the same division make the playoffs. They play each other too much and will have serious impacts on the standings. I dont see Toronto making the playoffs mainly because of that. I think a team like the Wizards will take the spot just because of how stacked the Atlantic is. I would move NJ to the 7 to 8 spot because I think they are 4th best in the conference. They wont be able to compete with much deeper teams like the Celtics, Knicks, and 76ers. They have a pretty solid starting lineup but counting on anything off the bench in case of foul situation or injury seems questionable. All the teams if key players get injured in the Atlantic could really cost them the season because of all the interdivision games but I think NJ is most vulnerable in this type of scenario.

you play everyone in your conference the same amount basically. It's possible for all 5 teams to make it in one conference, its just not likely.

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 06:31 PM
I honestly think all of you are afriad of the Nets, and afriad when the Nets vs your team.
Instead of hating on me and the Nets, why dont you be happy for me and my team?

I can assure you nobody is afraid of the Nets. They will make the playoffs, barring injuries, but there is no realistic way of them taking the east.

topdog
10-09-2012, 06:35 PM
Your not the only one doing this. Its just not possible to have 5 teams in the same division make the playoffs. They play each other too much and will have serious impacts on the standings. I dont see Toronto making the playoffs mainly because of that.

It is possible that all 5 teams make it, but that is a good point. It favors a team like Atlanta that the Southeast is so weak. By the same token, we're talking about 16 games out of 82 leaving 66 against other teams and the likelihood that Toronto isn't swept in all their series with the Atlantic. Remember, the traditional bar for an 8th seed in the East is 41-41 at best.

DoMeFavors
10-09-2012, 06:37 PM
I can assure you nobody is afraid of the Nets. They will make the playoffs, barring injuries, but there is no realistic way of them taking the east.

realistic? is that what they said about GSW when they were to face the Mavs in 07? They didnt have a realistic chance? Or when Mavs won the championship didnt have a realistic chance?
Nobody wants to face the Nets this year, its more than likely no matter what team we have you beat at 3 positions.

29$JerZ
10-09-2012, 06:39 PM
realistic? is that what they said about GSW when they were to face the Mavs in 07? They didnt have a realistic chance? Or when Mavs won the championship didnt have a realistic chance?
Nobody wants to face the Nets this year, its more than likely no matter what team we have you beat at 3 positions.

1 Position, which is PG.
None of your starting 5 are top 5 players at their respective position except for Deron.

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 06:41 PM
realistic? is that what they said about GSW when they were to face the Mavs in 07? They didnt have a realistic chance? Or when Mavs won the championship didnt have a realistic chance?
Nobody wants to face the Nets this year, its more than likely no matter what team we have you beat at 3 positions.

Winning one series in which a matchup favors you is different then rolling all the way into the finals.

I really don't think anyone is scared of the Nets man. Their defense will be bottom 1/3rd, and they are not deep enough to get a high enough seed to draw 2 weaker teams in a row come playoff time.

Obviously you will disagree with this assessment, but its the general consensus.

Raidaz4Life
10-09-2012, 06:42 PM
West
1. Lakers
2. Thunder
3. Clippers
4. Spurs
5. Nuggets
6. Grizzlies
7. T-wolves
8. Warriors

East
1. Heat
2. Celtics
3. Indiana
4. New York
5. Philly
6. Brooklyn
7. Chicago
8. Atlanta

latinofire21
10-09-2012, 06:44 PM
you play everyone in your conference the same amount basically. It's possible for all 5 teams to make it in one conference, its just not likely.

My Rankings for East

Heat
Knicks
Indiana
Celtics
Bulls
76ers
Washington/Atlanta
Bucks/Nets

I think the Knicks/Celtics can be interchanged. Whoever wins the Atlantic will get the 2 seed, making whoever came in second the 4 seed. There will be too much interdivisional games to allow the Nets to climb the rankings. Toronto got better but is the victim of a stacked conference so they wont make the playoffs unless they knock the nets out of the playoffs. Knicks/Celtics/76ers are locks in my opinion to making the playoffs. Washington/Atlanta will take the 7th seed due to weakness in their division. With only one team in the division thats a lock to make the playoffs they will have a ton of free games against the bobcats and the magic to bolster their rankings. Whoever wins the season series between the Hawks/Wizards i believe gets the 7th seed. Milwaukee in my opinion is the wildcard this year. They have a full offseason with their team and I think they could make a splash and sneak into the playoffs with the 8 seed. Although I think the Nets are better then them on paper I think their division is a lot easier with a Droseless Bulls team and the Pacers only in it.

I could be severely underestimating Brooklyn Nets but I dont really see how adding Joe Johnson and having a healthy brook Lopez will turn the season around 30 games to make them a top 4 team in the east. Still think they have depth issues and with a long season and grueling schedule I dont think they will be able to stay healthy for the playoffs.

The west rankings are a little easier to do and are pretty self explanatory but I think people are really underestimating the TWolves. They got a nice core and if Roy can be 80 percent of what he was in Portland the west is going to have a severe wake up call.

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 06:49 PM
My Rankings for East

Heat
Knicks
Indiana
Celtics
Bulls
76ers
Washington/Atlanta
Bucks/Nets

I think the Knicks/Celtics can be interchanged. Whoever wins the Atlantic will get the 2 seed, making whoever came in second the 4 seed. There will be too much interdivisional games to allow the Nets to climb the rankings. Toronto got better but is the victim of a stacked conference so they wont make the playoffs unless they knock the nets out of the playoffs. Knicks/Celtics/76ers are locks in my opinion to making the playoffs. Washington/Atlanta will take the 7th seed due to weakness in their division. With only one team in the division thats a lock to make the playoffs they will have a ton of free games against the bobcats and the magic to bolster their rankings. Whoever wins the season series between the Hawks/Wizards i believe gets the 7th seed. Milwaukee in my opinion is the wildcard this year. They have a full offseason with their team and I think they could make a splash and sneak into the playoffs with the 8 seed. Although I think the Nets are better then them on paper I think their division is a lot easier with a Droseless Bulls team and the Pacers only in it.

I could be severely underestimating Brooklyn Nets but I dont really see how adding Joe Johnson and having a healthy brook Lopez will turn the season around 30 games to make them a top 4 team in the east. Still think they have depth issues and with a long season and grueling schedule I dont think they will be able to stay healthy for the playoffs.

The west rankings are a little easier to do and are pretty self explanatory but I think people are really underestimating the TWolves. They got a nice core and if Roy can be 80 percent of what he was in Portland the west is going to have a severe wake up call.

I just can't buy the Wiz yet, on top of that, Wall will be hurt to start the season, meaning he will have to get in game shape again. I like that they have changed the culture, but they are still a year away I think.

I don't think you are underestimating the Nets really. I honestly think they will be a stronger playoff team than regular season team, but just won't win enough games to draw a favorable seed for them. The Knicks are too high on your list. I don't think there is any way they are better than Boston or Indy. But hey, its preseason, we all have our opinions. They can change once we start seeing some preseason games and get rolling, no doubt.

Did you see Hollinger's previews so far? He has seeds 1-2 in both conferences laid out. No OKC or LAL yet.....weird. Though I do get his write up for San Antonio and Denver. Both being regular season juggernauts due to depth and style, but he clearly mentions both not being on the Lakers or Thunder level essentially come playoff time, when the rotations shorten and depth doesn't matter.

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 06:51 PM
as for the Wolves Latino, I am just sitting in the middle of my worst case and best case outcomes. 49 wins. 7th seed for this year.

DoMeFavors
10-09-2012, 06:52 PM
Winning one series in which a matchup favors you is different then rolling all the way into the finals.

I really don't think anyone is scared of the Nets man. Their defense will be bottom 1/3rd, and they are not deep enough to get a high enough seed to draw 2 weaker teams in a row come playoff time.

Obviously you will disagree with this assessment, but its the general consensus.

Avery said Nets will have a top 5 defense, and the players think it will happen. So I dont get where you automatically get the bottom 1/3 of defense from? Raptors were a good defensive team last year and had Jose, Bargn in their lineup.

DoMeFavors
10-09-2012, 06:54 PM
My Rankings for East

Heat
Knicks
Indiana
Celtics
Bulls
76ers
Washington/Atlanta
Bucks/Nets

I think the Knicks/Celtics can be interchanged. Whoever wins the Atlantic will get the 2 seed, making whoever came in second the 4 seed. There will be too much interdivisional games to allow the Nets to climb the rankings. Toronto got better but is the victim of a stacked conference so they wont make the playoffs unless they knock the nets out of the playoffs. Knicks/Celtics/76ers are locks in my opinion to making the playoffs. Washington/Atlanta will take the 7th seed due to weakness in their division. With only one team in the division thats a lock to make the playoffs they will have a ton of free games against the bobcats and the magic to bolster their rankings. Whoever wins the season series between the Hawks/Wizards i believe gets the 7th seed. Milwaukee in my opinion is the wildcard this year. They have a full offseason with their team and I think they could make a splash and sneak into the playoffs with the 8 seed. Although I think the Nets are better then them on paper I think their division is a lot easier with a Droseless Bulls team and the Pacers only in it.

I could be severely underestimating Brooklyn Nets but I dont really see how adding Joe Johnson and having a healthy brook Lopez will turn the season around 30 games to make them a top 4 team in the east. Still think they have depth issues and with a long season and grueling schedule I dont think they will be able to stay healthy for the playoffs.

The west rankings are a little easier to do and are pretty self explanatory but I think people are really underestimating the TWolves. They got a nice core and if Roy can be 80 percent of what he was in Portland the west is going to have a severe wake up call.

Wizards added Ariza and Okafor and get to a 7th seed but according to you, Nets wont even be a playoff team adding Wallace, Joe, Lopez to last years team.

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 06:55 PM
Avery said Nets will have a top 5 defense, and the players think it will happen. So I dont get where you automatically get the bottom 1/3 of defense from? Raptors were a good defensive team last year and had Jose, Bargn in their lineup.

I don't care what Avery said. Every coach is talking out of their *** right now. If we should listen to our teams coaches, Derrick Williams will be an all star this year.

The fact is, the Nets don't have quality defenders. They just don't. They were horrid last year, added a healthy Lopez who isn't a defender at all, and acquired JJ, who is an average defender. You will be in the bottom 1/3rd on defense.

Toronto has better defensive talent. And they traded for an elite defending PG, so they will be just as good on that end this year.

Are you capable of subjectively evaluating the NBA? Serious question.

latinofire21
10-09-2012, 06:55 PM
I just can't buy the Wiz yet, on top of that, Wall will be hurt to start the season, meaning he will have to get in game shape again. I like that they have changed the culture, but they are still a year away I think.

I don't think you are underestimating the Nets really. I honestly think they will be a stronger playoff team than regular season team, but just won't win enough games to draw a favorable seed for them. The Knicks are too high on your list. I don't think there is any way they are better than Boston or Indy. But hey, its preseason, we all have our opinions. They can change once we start seeing some preseason games and get rolling, no doubt.

Did you see Hollinger's previews so far? He has seeds 1-2 in both conferences laid out. No OKC or LAL yet.....weird. Though I do get his write up for San Antonio and Denver. Both being regular season juggernauts due to depth and style, but he clearly mentions both not being on the Lakers or Thunder level essentially come playoff time, when the rotations shorten and depth doesn't matter.

I tend to not agree with Hollinger at all so I stopped reading him entirely. They one analyst I tend to agree with a lot more then anyone is Kenny Smith. Really wish he did a piece for espn.com

I can understand the skeptism for the Knicks as do a lot of the analysts. There downfall has pretty much been the downfall due to injury/PG situation for a while now. I think the combo of Kidd and Felton can get Amare going and keep Chandler active downlow. Dont really think Melo needs any help to get going but thats just my personal opinion. I am a fan of the idea of making Amare the 6th man but people thinks thats a little crazy.

The only way the Knicks dont win the division this year is if Kidd/Felton cannot solve the chemistry issues of Melo/Stat or if they get hit with the injury bug again. My personal opinion is this year they are more vulnerable then ever with all the vets they signed but if they can stay healthy I think they win the division.

Thats the main reason why I think the east is very difficult to predict since there are soo many strong teams in the atlantic, injuries are going to play a key role in the standings more so this year then ever.

Hawkeye15
10-09-2012, 06:57 PM
I tend to not agree with Hollinger at all so I stopped reading him entirely. They one analyst I tend to agree with a lot more then anyone is Kenny Smith. Really wish he did a piece for espn.com

I can understand the skeptism for the Knicks as do a lot of the analysts. There downfall has pretty much been the downfall due to injury/PG situation for a while now. I think the combo of Kidd and Felton can get Amare going and keep Chandler active downlow. Dont really think Melo needs any help to get going but thats just my personal opinion. I am a fan of the idea of making Amare the 6th man but people thinks thats a little crazy.

The only way the Knicks dont win the division this year is if Kidd/Felton cannot solve the chemistry issues of Melo/Stat or if they get hit with the injury bug again. My personal opinion is this year they are more vulnerable then ever with all the vets they signed but if they can stay healthy I think they win the division.

Thats the main reason why I think the east is very difficult to predict since there are soo many strong teams in the atlantic, injuries are going to play a key role in the standings more so this year then ever.

very true.

2-ONE-5
10-09-2012, 07:00 PM
Avery said Nets will have a top 5 defense, and the players think it will happen. So I dont get where you automatically get the bottom 1/3 of defense from? Raptors were a good defensive team last year and had Jose, Bargn in their lineup.

one of your best posts to date. :speechless: