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Super.
09-29-2012, 02:09 AM
http://i.imgur.com/1b1ik.png

This is via his AMA (Ask me Anything) on Reddit (which was confirmed to be him)

Morey is one of the utmost minds on basketball and the use of metrics. (IMO)

What's your opinion on this?

John Walls Era
10-03-2012, 01:27 AM
publicly available. if theres money theres a way

PatsSoxKnicks
10-04-2012, 09:24 PM
http://i.imgur.com/1b1ik.png

This is via his AMA (Ask me Anything) on Reddit (which was confirmed to be him)

Morey is one of the utmost minds on basketball and the use of metrics. (IMO)

What's your opinion on this?

It's interesting. I feel defensive stats have come a long way. However, I was told something very similar (basically the same thing- that defensive stats weren't well defined) by Dean Oliver (who if you don't know, is the guy who came up with many of the advanced stats you see)

Raidaz4Life
10-08-2012, 09:58 AM
Probably because its difficult to attribute a missed basket solely to any one individual.

Rndy
10-12-2012, 01:20 AM
I agree I find basketball defensive stats a joke. There is a few that you can use to make points but it's hard to use it as a sole reason of someone being good. Too many factors and schemes to judge defensive using stats.

KwameBeanJordan
03-12-2014, 06:18 PM
He is completely right. Defense is so much more complicated to analyze than offense. Vantage Sports is coming out with some great defensive statistics, but they aren't all encompassing. Also, this is assuming Vantage Sports isn't dead, since they didn't meet their kickstarted goal.

Pablonovi
05-20-2014, 05:40 PM
Has any progress been made?

flea
05-20-2014, 05:53 PM
If we did have a good and reliable defensive metric then there wouldn't be any argument as to who the best big man is now and for the last 10 years. Since we don't, the PPG junkies come out with ridiculous claims like Kevin Love being the best PF.

Pablonovi
05-20-2014, 05:59 PM
If we did have a good and reliable defensive metric then there wouldn't be any argument as to who the best big man is now and for the last 10 years. Since we don't, the PPG junkies come out with ridiculous claims like Kevin Love being the best PF.

Hey flea,
Thanx for biting hehe.

Maybe the only way we'll ever find out just how good he is, is if he switches teams.

(Come "home" to L.A.?)

tredigs
05-20-2014, 06:52 PM
It's just insanely hard to quantify defense for a given player (especially with all the different defensive sets that teams run, what his specific role is on their D, whether a player is being used appropriately in that set by his coach, etc), but I think DRPM has definitely been on the right track: http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM

@Flea, RAPM has rated Duncan as the best PF in the NBA many times in the past, and currently has him in the top 4 for PF's in similar roles (not including Frye or Collison for example) behind LMA, Love and Dirk. Dirk's role was reduced this season (which can help your RPM), but he still came out #1 offensive ahead of Love at #2.

Either way, I'm all but positive that a great defensive metric exists + can be properly implemented by Haralabos Voulgaris, but he is ahead of NBA teams and their stats programs.

Kashmir13579
07-01-2014, 05:32 PM
I agree with him.