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Mile High Champ
09-28-2012, 06:48 PM
Hey guys, Some of you may remember that for the last four years I have conducted a poll at the end of the season that had PSD users vote for the top 10 players at each position. The season is now over and the Heat have been crowned NBA champs which means its time to kick off the off-season player rankings.

A lot has changed since last season. Lebron was labelled by some as Choke Artist in the clutch and now this year had one of the greatest finals performances in recent memory. Let start the discussion since lots has changed since the start of last season. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for two days and than we can carry on to the next best player in the league. I will add more players after each round. I have also included the results of those last 4 years so everyone can see how much things have changed...Enjoy.

REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best

Rules of adding players to the Voting Process

In terms of adding players to the poll, it will be done like this.

As soon as Rajon Rondo goes off the board, I will add other PG's.
As soon as Manu Ginobili goes off the board, I will add other SG's
As soon as LaMarcus Aldridge goes off the board, I will add other PF's.

And so on and so on..

This is to ensure that players that won their respective positions get a higher place in the list.

Current Player Comparison:


_____________ Player Season ____ Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1 Tony Parker 2011-12 29 60 1923 22.0 .539 .488 1.3 8.7 5.1 40.3 1.5 0.2 13.1 27.7 112 106 5.5 1.6 7.1 .177
2 Kevin Garnett 2011-12 35 60 1864 20.4 .550 .505 4.4 25.8 15.6 17.9 1.6 2.5 11.1 24.9 106 94 2.6 4.3 6.9 .178
3 LaMarcus Aldridge 2011-12 26 55 1994 22.7 .560 .513 8.6 17.5 12.9 13.2 1.3 1.7 9.5 27.0 113 106 5.4 1.6 7.0 .169

2012 NBA Off-Season Player Rankings

1) Lebron James
2) Kevin Durant
3) Dwight Howard
4) Chris Paul
5) Kobe Bryant
6) Dwyane Wade
7) Kevin Love
8) Derrick Rose
9) Dirk Nowitzki
10) Russell Westbrook
11) Carmelo Anthony
12) Deron Williams
13) Andrew Bynum
14) Rajon Rondo
15) Kevin Garnett & Tony Parker Tie


2011 Off-Season Best Player Rankings

1) Lebron James
2) Dwight Howard
3) Dwyane Wade
4) Chris Paul
5) Dirk Nowitzki
6) Kobe Bryant
7) Kevin Durant
8) Derrick Rose
9) Deron Williams
10) Carmelo Anthony

2010 Off-Season Best Player Rankings

1) Kobe Bryant
2) Lebron James
3) Dwyane Wade
4) Kevin Durant
5) Chris Paul
6) Dwight Howard
7) Carmelo Anthony
8) Dirk Nowitzki
9) Deron Williams
10) Tim Duncan - Pau Gasol Tie


2009 Off-Season Best Player Rankings

1) Kobe Bryant
2) Lebron James
3) Dwayne Wade
4) Chris Paul
5) Dwight Howard
6) Tim Duncan
7) Dirk Nowitzki
8) Carmelo Anthony
9) Kevin Garnett
10) Brandon Roy

Mile High Champ
09-28-2012, 06:49 PM
Re-vote is up.

KnicksorBust
09-28-2012, 06:54 PM
Rondo. Ew. Glad I missed that. All 3 of these guys should go ahead of him. Personally I think LA is the most talented 2 way player here.

Corey
09-28-2012, 06:56 PM
Rondo. Ew. Glad I missed that. All 3 of these guys should go ahead of him. Personally I think LA is the most talented 2 way player here.

You know '2-way' factors in defense too, right..?

KG. Just as efficient as Aldridge offensively and blows him out of the water defensively.

TP is right there, but KG is a beast on both sides of the ball.

Mile High Champ
09-28-2012, 06:57 PM
Guys I appreciate KG had a comeback season but he really has no business being in the top 15. His regular season numbers were nothing special and the playoff run he had was an improvement but it was not outstanding and therefore not justifying of a top 15 ranking.

KnicksorBust
09-28-2012, 07:05 PM
You know '2-way' factors in defense too, right..?

KG. Just as efficient as Aldridge offensively and blows him out of the water defensively.

TP is right there, but KG is a beast on both sides of the ball.

You make it sound like offensively they are near a wash.

22 ppg on 56 TS% vs. 16 ppg on 55 TS%

When you factor in the ****** PG play that Aldridge deals with plus the fact that he carries the load every night... That's a significant difference.

Corey
09-28-2012, 07:10 PM
You make it sound like offensively they are near a wash.

22 ppg on 56 TS% vs. 16 ppg on 55 TS%

When you factor in the ****** PG play that Aldridge deals with plus the fact that he carries the load every night... That's a significant difference.

Same TS%. Aldridge attempts more shots per game, of course he's going to have more PPG.

Garnett is a vastly superior defensive player, and a slightly better overall rebounder. Offensively, they're just as efficient as the other.

Garnett over Aldridge every day of the week.

SteBO
09-28-2012, 07:34 PM
I'm taking KG here.

Hawkeye15
09-28-2012, 07:42 PM
I am still going KG. Tops in simple rating on his roster, and the reason the C's were able to hold onto being elite while their offense has regressed as their aging stars needed to ask Rondo to step up more, which he hasn't. I still don't understand how Rondo went so high, but that is in the past.

Parker was great. 5th in MVP voting. But he was 3rd on his team in simple ratings, and just seems more of a part of a machine to me, versus KG having such a monster impact on the Celtics and their defense, which is WHY they were elite.

If KG had gone already, and it was Rondo/LMA/Parker, my vote would be Parker.

JLynn943
09-28-2012, 08:02 PM
Accidentally voted Manu when I wanted Parker last time, so Parker. These 3 are really close though.

Avenged
09-28-2012, 08:07 PM
Parker was the Spurs best player, lead them to the 1st seed in the league, and put up an MVP type season. 18ppg, 7 assists, on a PER of 22. Not bad.

Corey
09-28-2012, 08:15 PM
I am still going KG. Tops in simple rating on his roster, and the reason the C's were able to hold onto being elite while their offense has regressed as their aging stars needed to ask Rondo to step up more, which he hasn't. I still don't understand how Rondo went so high, but that is in the past.

Parker was great. 5th in MVP voting. But he was 3rd on his team in simple ratings, and just seems more of a part of a machine to me, versus KG having such a monster impact on the Celtics and their defense, which is WHY they were elite.

If KG had gone already, and it was Rondo/LMA/Parker, my vote would be Parker.

Agreed with everything.

Still surprised Rondo was voted ahead of KG as well.

Im_in_Mia_bish
09-28-2012, 08:36 PM
Kj.

b@llhog24
09-28-2012, 08:38 PM
Lma.

JNA17
09-28-2012, 09:33 PM
MVP canidate Tony Parker. Seriously, why is this guy underrated all the time? He's not married to Eva Longoria anymore guys, you can lose the envy and like him again. XD

Sportfan
09-28-2012, 10:44 PM
#TeamRondo is back to bring #KG back to the glory days!!!



#KGfortop15 woohooo!!!!

Kashmir13579
09-29-2012, 01:12 AM
MVP canidate Tony Parker. Seriously, why is this guy underrated all the time? He's not married to Eva Longoria anymore guys, you can lose the envy and like him again. XD

He's on the Spurs.

DanG
09-29-2012, 03:32 AM
KG again.

Kashmir13579
09-29-2012, 04:10 AM
Tony Parker by a ****ing mile.

Dade County
09-29-2012, 09:51 AM
It has to be Parker

Im_in_Mia_bish
09-29-2012, 10:31 AM
i love tight races.

Hustlenomics
09-29-2012, 11:39 AM
lamarcus would be even better if he had a point guard like rondo to get him easy baskets

Baller1
09-29-2012, 12:01 PM
Now that I think about it, it's TP easy.

Dominated all season.

Jesse2272
09-29-2012, 01:03 PM
Tony Parker by a ****ing mile.

Go back to the knicks forum

We need you

phenomenal :facepalm:

xxplayerxx23
09-29-2012, 01:09 PM
Hustle is in love with Rondo. It really isn't close TP, KG > Rondo.

Hustlenomics
09-29-2012, 02:18 PM
Hustle is in love with Rondo. It really isn't close TP, KG > Rondo.

ok

EDUTEXANS
09-29-2012, 05:23 PM
Parker was the Spurs best player, lead them to the 1st seed in the league, and put up an MVP type season. 18ppg, 7 assists, on a PER of 22. Not bad.

This. Parker here.

Sportfan
09-29-2012, 06:55 PM
LOL TIED AGAIN! TEAM KG IS SOOOO CLUTCH, just when TP was gonna close it up, he ties it up!


KG should be 15th just for that

Gators123
09-29-2012, 06:59 PM
LOL TIED AGAIN! TEAM KG IS SOOOO CLUTCH, just when TP was gonna close it up, he ties it up!


KG should be 15th just for that

You can thank me for that ;)

KG is a douche, but I do think hes better than Parker.

JNA17
09-29-2012, 07:20 PM
You can thank me for that ;)

KG is a douche, but I do think hes better than Parker.

36 year old Garnett better than in his prime MVP candidate Tony Parker?

Jesus Christ people logic! :speechless:

Gators123
09-29-2012, 07:50 PM
36 year old Garnett better than in his prime MVP candidate Tony Parker?

Jesus Christ people logic! :speechless:

Thanks, that just changed my opinion!

Not.

Avenged
09-29-2012, 07:57 PM
So another tie between Parker and KG.. lol

LAKERMANIA
09-29-2012, 09:09 PM
Loll

Swashcuff
09-29-2012, 09:14 PM
Wtf yo haha.... If MHC goes to one past vote off I'm going to detail every reason why I took KG over Parker and maybe hopefully sway a couple voters.

Kashmir13579
09-30-2012, 01:41 AM
God damn this should be an easy win for TP

GREATNESS ONE
09-30-2012, 02:02 AM
**** didn't think it would close that fast was saving my vote!!

naps
09-30-2012, 02:29 AM
36 year old Garnett better than in his prime MVP candidate Tony Parker?

Jesus Christ people logic! :speechless:

You really shouldn't be the person talking about logic with the statement you just made. Irony at it's peak here.

Just because player A is in his prime and player B is past his prime doesn't necessarily mean the player A is better than player B.

JNA17
09-30-2012, 05:39 AM
You really shouldn't be the person talking about logic with the statement you just made. Irony at it's peak here.

Just because player A is in his prime and player B is past his prime doesn't necessarily mean the player A is better than player B.

no ****. But your going to tell me with a straight face (well I can't see your face, but I bet if I did it your face wouldn't be straight! XD) that a 36 year old Kevin Garnett is better than a guy who carried the Spurs to the 1st seed last year in the West, with MVP type numbers and performances?

Swashcuff
09-30-2012, 10:06 AM
no ****. But your going to tell me with a straight face (well I can't see your face, but I bet if I did it your face wouldn't be straight! XD) that a 36 year old Kevin Garnett is better than a guy who carried the Spurs to the 1st seed last year in the West, with MVP type numbers and performances?

Tony Parker didn't carry the Spurs anywhere. The Spurs are the deepest team in the league with the ability to get production from their last player off the bench on any given night. Tim Duncan and Manu (even missing all the games he did) had major roles to play in the Spurs success. Tony Parker was the most valuable player on the Spurs last season but by no means did he carry them.

Im_in_Mia_bish
09-30-2012, 10:22 AM
woahhh.. will #15 ever be decided?

jimm120
09-30-2012, 10:29 AM
Why was there a "re-vote"???

PatsSoxKnicks
09-30-2012, 10:56 AM
I am still going KG. Tops in simple rating on his roster, and the reason the C's were able to hold onto being elite while their offense has regressed as their aging stars needed to ask Rondo to step up more, which he hasn't. I still don't understand how Rondo went so high, but that is in the past.

Parker was great. 5th in MVP voting. But he was 3rd on his team in simple ratings, and just seems more of a part of a machine to me, versus KG having such a monster impact on the Celtics and their defense, which is WHY they were elite.

If KG had gone already, and it was Rondo/LMA/Parker, my vote would be Parker.

Why the sudden use of simple rating? Did 82games change their methodology?

Anyways, most adjusted +/- numbers favor KG by quite a bit because of the massive impact he has on defense. Box score metrics tend to favor LMA, though not all (VORP favors KG). Offensively, LMA is the better player. Defensively, KG is the better player. Both are clearly defined with there not being much argument as who is better on O or on D.

I'd probably go KG here because when he's at his best, he's better and has a higher impact on the game. If you want me to vote on who I'd take for a full regular season though, I'd take LMA without thinking about it.

Im_in_Mia_bish
09-30-2012, 11:00 AM
Why was there a "re-vote"???

dude cos Bush won, man.. Bush somehow won.

DR_1
09-30-2012, 11:34 AM
KG is not a top 15 player at this stage of his career. Talk about overrated. Parker and LMA are both better, Parker clearly.

xxplayerxx23
09-30-2012, 11:43 AM
Please explain how drose.

naps
09-30-2012, 11:53 AM
no ****. But your going to tell me with a straight face (well I can't see your face, but I bet if I did it your face wouldn't be straight! XD) that a 36 year old Kevin Garnett is better than a guy who carried the Spurs to the 1st seed last year in the West, with MVP type numbers and performances?

YES. KG is better. I love Parker but neither did he have the MVP stats nor did he carry the Spurs. Both of them had same WS/48 so KG carried the Celtics just as much as Tony did the Spurs. You are severely mistaken. You have no idea whatsoever basketball is played on both ends and KG is the biggest catalyst on that Celtics team. Don't give me the prime BS. Just because you are in your prime doesn't mean you are the better player. What kind of logic is that seriously? Where did the Spurs go in the playoffs? Yeah. Where did the Celtics go? Yeah, thanks to Garnett. He took it to another level in the playoffs at 36 years of age, not to mention his INSANE defensive dominance.

xxplayerxx23
09-30-2012, 12:37 PM
Why is age even a factor? Its on play, KG played amazing. I understand Parker did great too but lets not pretend like Parker was the one carrying the Spurs like some of you had said.

Cal827
09-30-2012, 12:39 PM
LOL, another draw...just let me vote KG and end this crap lol

B'sCeltsPatsSox
09-30-2012, 12:54 PM
KG was arguably the MVP in the playoffs outside of LeBron of course. KG had the best +/- in the playoffs and when he was off the court the Celtics were pretty deep into the negatives.

Swashcuff
09-30-2012, 01:02 PM
Everyone is overrated to DRose :laugh2:

85BearsDefense
09-30-2012, 01:08 PM
My Vote is for KG

LakersIn5
09-30-2012, 02:00 PM
we are voting for the whole season and not just playoffs right? so TP.

LAKERMANIA
09-30-2012, 03:01 PM
This is like the 2000 Elections

Jesse2272
09-30-2012, 05:20 PM
I say Swashcuff gets the final vote

Hawkeye15
09-30-2012, 05:46 PM
Why the sudden use of simple rating? Did 82games change their methodology?

Anyways, most adjusted +/- numbers favor KG by quite a bit because of the massive impact he has on defense. Box score metrics tend to favor LMA, though not all (VORP favors KG). Offensively, LMA is the better player. Defensively, KG is the better player. Both are clearly defined with there not being much argument as who is better on O or on D.

I'd probably go KG here because when he's at his best, he's better and has a higher impact on the game. If you want me to vote on who I'd take for a full regular season though, I'd take LMA without thinking about it.

Meh, it helps determine the pecking order of what players helped their team most in a simplistic view. Besides, I stated multiple other reasons in the #14 vote, and in my post. Parker is part of the machine in SA, KG was the reason the Celtics held on to being elite. Their defense, and he is their defensive leader and identity.

DR_1
09-30-2012, 07:18 PM
Please explain how drose.

There are 15 players better than him :)

Corey
09-30-2012, 07:38 PM
There are 15 players better than him :)

Care to actually back up your stance for once? :)

Mile High Champ
09-30-2012, 07:56 PM
We have ended in a tie. We had one vote off and we will once again have a tie in the player rankings just like the results of a few years ago. Thank you all for Participating.

Baller1
09-30-2012, 08:30 PM
YES. KG is better. I love Parker but neither did he have the MVP stats nor did he carry the Spurs. Both of them had same WS/48 so KG carried the Celtics just as much as Tony did the Spurs. You are severely mistaken. You have no idea whatsoever basketball is played on both ends and KG is the biggest catalyst on that Celtics team. Don't give me the prime BS. Just because you are in your prime doesn't mean you are the better player. What kind of logic is that seriously? Where did the Spurs go in the playoffs? Yeah. Where did the Celtics go? Yeah, thanks to Garnett. He took it to another level in the playoffs at 36 years of age, not to mention his INSANE defensive dominance.

Yes he did.

JNA17
09-30-2012, 09:19 PM
YES. KG is better. I love Parker but neither did he have the MVP stats nor did he carry the Spurs.

Yes he did.

JNA17
09-30-2012, 09:20 PM
Yes he did.

damn, ninjaed.

naps
09-30-2012, 09:49 PM
Yes he did.

Why don't you go into details instead of saying 36 year old KG not as good as prime TP? That's not an argument you know? Being younger doesn't necessarily make you a better player.

koreancabbage
10-01-2012, 09:28 AM
i didn't even get to vote. I would have voted for Tony Parker

kdspurman
10-01-2012, 11:00 AM
YES. KG is better. I love Parker but neither did he have the MVP stats nor did he carry the Spurs. Both of them had same WS/48 so KG carried the Celtics just as much as Tony did the Spurs. You are severely mistaken. You have no idea whatsoever basketball is played on both ends and KG is the biggest catalyst on that Celtics team. Don't give me the prime BS. Just because you are in your prime doesn't mean you are the better player. What kind of logic is that seriously? Where did the Spurs go in the playoffs? Yeah. Where did the Celtics go? Yeah, thanks to Garnett. He took it to another level in the playoffs at 36 years of age, not to mention his INSANE defensive dominance.

Weren't they each in their respective conference final? Or are you saying cause the Celtics went to 7 games whereas SA went to 6 games?

mightybosstone
10-01-2012, 02:02 PM
Ugh.... the fact that Rondo was voted 14th is just disgusting. He's not even the best player on his own team, and I would argue that he might be the third best. KG, Aldridge and Parker are all, without a doubt, better basketball players right now and I think Rondo would probably be somewhere in the 20-25 range for me at best.

Edit: And for the record, I went with KG here. His offensive game has taken a hit over the years, but he's still one of the most dominant defensive players in basketball and he's the single most important player on the Celtics. I love Parker, but his impact is pretty much limited to the offensive side of the ball and he disappeared at times in the postseason.

theheatles
10-01-2012, 05:26 PM
I didn't get to vote and I would have went Parker

Killerjug
10-01-2012, 06:17 PM
same here woulda gone parker

NYYCowboys
10-01-2012, 06:24 PM
same here woulda gone parker

Me too.

broncofangene
10-01-2012, 06:44 PM
Melo above Dwill, Rondo, and Bynum? :laugh::laugh:

mightybosstone
10-01-2012, 07:47 PM
Melo above Dwill, Rondo, and Bynum? :laugh::laugh:

I would have at least taken Melo over Rondo.

xxplayerxx23
10-01-2012, 09:27 PM
Melo above Dwill, Rondo, and Bynum? :laugh::laugh:

What did Dwill do so speical last year? Rondo shouldn't even be 14. Id take 20 guys over Rondo. Bynum I can sort of agree, I think he should of went ahead of Melo, but IMO Melo is going to have a very good year this year, Laughing at Melo over Rondo makes no sense, Dwill did **** last year as well but people forgot at.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
10-01-2012, 09:39 PM
What did Dwill do so speical last year? Rondo shouldn't even be 14. Id take 20 guys over Rondo. Bynum I can sort of agree, I think he should of went ahead of Melo, but IMO Melo is going to have a very good year this year, Laughing at Melo over Rondo makes no sense, Dwill did **** last year as well but people forgot at.

We can't make these rankings of off predictions. I think Irving will be at least a top 5 PG next season but I didn't vote for him to be in the top 5 though.

koreancabbage
10-01-2012, 11:21 PM
can we say Parker would have won? lol we got 3 non voters that would have voted for Parker

B'sCeltsPatsSox
10-01-2012, 11:35 PM
can we say Parker would have won? lol we got 3 non voters that would have voted for Parker

Who's to say that KG would not have gotten the same amount? It's your fault that you didn't vote before it closed.

Ebbs
10-02-2012, 01:33 AM
Is 15 as far we're taking this?

b@llhog24
10-02-2012, 04:17 PM
Is 15 as far we're taking this?

Yea.