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swoosh15
09-28-2012, 11:59 AM
Old question, but here are som Facts:

-8 NBA All-Star selection: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 (did not play in 2002 due to injury)
-Olympic gold medal: 2000
-2 All-NBA:
-Second Team: 2001
-Third Team: 2000
-NBA Slam Dunk Champion: 2000
-NBA All-Rookie First Team: 1999
-NBA Rookie of the Year Award: 1999

- Best in game dunker of all time

- Best slam dunk contest of all time

-Season 2000-2001: 27,6P_ 5,5R_ 3,9A

- Highest PPG: 51 (2000 and 2005)

- 2007 Carter and Kidd triple double in the same game:
Carter: 46P_ 16R_ 10A
Kidd: 10P_ 16R_ 10A
Carters triple double is the second highest total for a triple double, socond
only to Alvan Adams who tallied 47P_ 18R_ 11A over 30 years ago!!

- Led Raptors to their first 3 playoff appearances

- Led Nets to 3 playoff berth

- Helped Magic to advance to the Eastern Conference Finals

- Joined NBA players Julius Erving and Michael Jordan as the only players
to lead the NBA ALL-Star Game fan voting three ore more times.

- Scored his 20.000th point in 2011, becoming the 37th player in league
history to do so.

- From draft day on, the Raptors set league attendance records in 2000,
2001 and 2002. The value of the Raptors franchise doubled during Carters
tenure.

- Led the Raptors to a franchise high of 47 wins in 2001.

- In 2002 the Raptors lost 17 of 18 games without Carter, then won 12
of their last 14 games with Carter bake to make the Playoffs.

- Carter is currently in the TOP 10 of 19 different all-time Nets statistical
categories, including points, PPG ( 1st all time of NBA Nets), DReb, ***,
turnover rate, 3 point field goals, offensive rating, player efficienty
rating and win shares.

- 2005-2006 playoff stats: 29,6P_ 7,0R_ 5,3A, in 11 games.

- Afer trade to Orlando the Nets ended up going 12-70.

- NBA Playoff-Record: most 3-Point Field Goals made in one game: 9!!
2001 vs. Sixers. 8 of them in one half, consecutive!!


My Opinion: Hall of Fame Player!!!

GREATNESS ONE
09-28-2012, 12:07 PM
:sleep:

lamzoka
09-28-2012, 12:18 PM
My opinion he's not a HOF.

ee
09-28-2012, 12:22 PM
All star selections doesn't make him hof.... Look at rodman.... Impact matters most...

AddiX
09-28-2012, 12:29 PM
Vince Carter is a more talented version of Ricky Davis. Just goes on the court and does whatever he feels like it, plays lazy as hell most of the time and no one on his team has a damn clue what he's doing out there.

Carter just never "got it". Never learned winning basketball.

Gram
09-28-2012, 12:30 PM
No sir.

Swashcuff
09-28-2012, 12:34 PM
Vince Carter is a more talented version of Ricky Davis. Just goes on the court and does whatever he feels like it, plays lazy as hell most of the time and no one on his team has a damn clue what he's doing out there.

Carter just never "got it". Never learned winning basketball.

I think I understand where you're coming from but can you just explain this little bit for me so that I'm sure we have the same trend of thought.

selassi3
09-28-2012, 12:38 PM
See this is where lack of knowledge comes in..........HALL OF FAME Players do not, QUIT on their team. HALL OF FAME Players do not FAKE injuries.......HALL OF FAME PLAYERS give 110% something Vince Carter throughout his career especially in in final days as a Toronto Raptor did not do.....

What has happened here is simply this, Vince Carter for the better lack of saying QUIT on franchise after a trade request wasn't approached immediately he decided to toss up shots, watch people score on him. He also came into games for half a quarter and hopped off the court injury after injury.... Now those that are in doubt just take a look at his final years with Toronto and his next few years with the Nets. Look at his GAMES PLAYED as well as his PPG AVERAGE and you'll see your proof.

I'm sorry but as professional athletes that are yes gifted, your JOB is to perform every night whether your getting paid 10 mill or 500 000 to quit on a franchise like that because your unhappy? Simply isn't cool.

Toronto Raptors
02-03 -------- 43 G 42 GS ------20.6PPG, 4.4RPG, 3.3APG, 1.1SPG-- 46.7 FG% -- 80.6% FT
03-04 -------- 73 G 73 GS ------22.5PPG, 4.8RPG, 4.8APG, 1.2SPG-- 41.7 FG% -- 80.6% FT
04-05 -------- 20 G 20 GS ------15.9PPG, 3.3RPG, 3.1APG, 1.2SPG-- 41.1 FG% -- 69.4% FT
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
New Jersey Nets
04-05 -------- 57 G 56 GS ------27.5PPG, 5.9RPG, 4.7APG, 1.5SPG-- 46.2 FG% -- 81.7% FT
05-06 -------- 79 G 79 GS ------24.2PPG, 5.8RPG, 4.3APG, 1.2SPG-- 43.0 FG% -- 79.9% FT
06-07 -------- 82 G 82 GS ------25.2PPG, 6.0RPG, 4.8APG, 1.0SPG-- 45.4 FG% -- 80.0% FT

diu9leilomo
09-28-2012, 12:42 PM
i love vc and im not even gay

asandhu23
09-28-2012, 12:43 PM
He will make it. There is no doubt.

diu9leilomo
09-28-2012, 12:45 PM
im from toronto...all those excitement he brought to canada...man...doesnt matter he quit....blame the raptors FO

douglas
09-28-2012, 12:51 PM
Vince Carter used to be really good at dunking the basketball into the basketball hoop
When he dunked the basketball, people liked to watch him do it. Nowadays, Vince Carter can't dunk as well as he used to. People still like to watch him dunk the basketball, but not as much as when he used to dunk the basketball good.

LAKERMANIA
09-28-2012, 12:52 PM
Senseiking? Is that you?

marvILLous
09-28-2012, 12:54 PM
- In 2002 the Raptors lost 17 of 18 games without Carter, then won 12
of their last 14 games with Carter bake to make the Playoffs.



:laugh: if only... VC had nothing to do with the 12-2 finish.. He played in none of those games.

Antonio Davis >>>

VC only led us to 2 playoff appearance, AD led the other one

Still love VC tho

heusy_79
09-28-2012, 01:02 PM
Vince Carter used to be really good at dunking the basketball onto the basketball hoop
When he dunked the basketball, people liked to watch him do it. Nowadays, Vince Carter can't dunk as well as he used to. People still like to watch him dunk the basketball, but not as much as when he used to dunk the basketball good.

Couldn't agree with you more Douglas.

ghettosean
09-28-2012, 01:37 PM
I'm one of the biggest VC haters to walk on the planet earth but he should make it into the HOF. The only reason I'm giving him the edge is because he is without a doubt the best dunker basketball has ever seen. Not because he's such a great player and winner... etc but the dude dunked over a 7ft human being dasselled everyone in the dunk contest and the Ooooooooooo's and Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh's whenever he would do an in game dunk should squeeze him in there.

Though if he doesn't make it in I won't lose any sleep over it.

ghettosean
09-28-2012, 01:39 PM
im from toronto...all those excitement he brought to canada...man...doesnt matter he quit....blame the raptors FO
Yes it's the Raptors FO fault for this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcTHP2K1ZWY

Give me a break bro... he's the most unprofessional douce to ever play the game.

2-ONE-5
09-28-2012, 03:24 PM
Old question, but here are som Facts:

-8 NBA All-Star selection: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 (did not play in 2002 due to injury)-Olympic gold medal: 2000
-2 All-NBA:
-Second Team: 2001
-Third Team: 2000
-NBA Slam Dunk Champion: 2000-NBA All-Rookie First Team: 1999
-NBA Rookie of the Year Award: 1999

- Best in game dunker of all time
- Best slam dunk contest of all time-Season 2000-2001: 27,6P_ 5,5R_ 3,9A

- Highest PPG: 51 (2000 and 2005)
- 2007 Carter and Kidd triple double in the same game:
Carter: 46P_ 16R_ 10A
Kidd: 10P_ 16R_ 10A
Carters triple double is the second highest total for a triple double, socond
only to Alvan Adams who tallied 47P_ 18R_ 11A over 30 years ago!!

- Led Raptors to their first 3 playoff appearances

- Led Nets to 3 playoff berth
- Helped Magic to advance to the Eastern Conference Finals
- Joined NBA players Julius Erving and Michael Jordan as the only players
to lead the NBA ALL-Star Game fan voting three ore more times.
- Scored his 20.000th point in 2011, becoming the 37th player in league
history to do so.

- From draft day on, the Raptors set league attendance records in 2000,
2001 and 2002. The value of the Raptors franchise doubled during Carters
tenure.
- Led the Raptors to a franchise high of 47 wins in 2001.
- In 2002 the Raptors lost 17 of 18 games without Carter, then won 12
of their last 14 games with Carter bake to make the Playoffs.

- Carter is currently in the TOP 10 of 19 different all-time Nets statistical
categories, including points, PPG ( 1st all time of NBA Nets), DReb, ***,
turnover rate, 3 point field goals, offensive rating, player efficienty
rating and win shares.

- 2005-2006 playoff stats: 29,6P_ 7,0R_ 5,3A, in 11 games.

- Afer trade to Orlando the Nets ended up going 12-70.
- NBA Playoff-Record: most 3-Point Field Goals made in one game: 9!!
2001 vs. Sixers. 8 of them in one half, consecutive!!


My Opinion: Hall of Fame Player!!!

everytihng in Bold has nothing to with desesrving the hall of fame. there are tons of players worthy if yousing this BS criteria

AddiX
09-28-2012, 03:34 PM
I think I understand where you're coming from but can you just explain this little bit for me so that I'm sure we have the same trend of thought.

Well, you have your Jason kidds than you have your monta Ellis.

One plays winning basketball, one doesn't.

abe_froman
09-28-2012, 03:37 PM
yeah,he'll get in, much to the chagrin of of many here.see no reason why not

KB-Pau-DH2012
09-28-2012, 03:40 PM
Old question, but here are som Facts:

-8 NBA All-Star selection: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 (did not play in 2002 due to injury)
-Olympic gold medal: 2000
-2 All-NBA:
-Second Team: 2001
-Third Team: 2000
-NBA Slam Dunk Champion: 2000
-NBA All-Rookie First Team: 1999
-NBA Rookie of the Year Award: 1999

- Best in game dunker of all time

- Best slam dunk contest of all time

-Season 2000-2001: 27,6P_ 5,5R_ 3,9A

- Highest PPG: 51 (2000 and 2005)

- 2007 Carter and Kidd triple double in the same game:
Carter: 46P_ 16R_ 10A
Kidd: 10P_ 16R_ 10A
Carters triple double is the second highest total for a triple double, socond
only to Alvan Adams who tallied 47P_ 18R_ 11A over 30 years ago!!

- Led Raptors to their first 3 playoff appearances

- Led Nets to 3 playoff berth

- Helped Magic to advance to the Eastern Conference Finals

- Joined NBA players Julius Erving and Michael Jordan as the only players
to lead the NBA ALL-Star Game fan voting three ore more times.

- Scored his 20.000th point in 2011, becoming the 37th player in league
history to do so.

- From draft day on, the Raptors set league attendance records in 2000,
2001 and 2002. The value of the Raptors franchise doubled during Carters
tenure.

- Led the Raptors to a franchise high of 47 wins in 2001.

- In 2002 the Raptors lost 17 of 18 games without Carter, then won 12
of their last 14 games with Carter bake to make the Playoffs.

- Carter is currently in the TOP 10 of 19 different all-time Nets statistical
categories, including points, PPG ( 1st all time of NBA Nets), DReb, ***,
turnover rate, 3 point field goals, offensive rating, player efficienty
rating and win shares.

- 2005-2006 playoff stats: 29,6P_ 7,0R_ 5,3A, in 11 games.

- Afer trade to Orlando the Nets ended up going 12-70.

- NBA Playoff-Record: most 3-Point Field Goals made in one game: 9!!
2001 vs. Sixers. 8 of them in one half, consecutive!!


My Opinion: Hall of Fame Player!!!

no

tkshy
09-28-2012, 03:46 PM
No he is not a HOF.
Zero championships. Zero final appearances. Zero heart.

HOF talent no doubt but didnt live up to his talent. Poor attitude, often injured, equals no HOF.

abe_froman
09-28-2012, 03:51 PM
No he is not a HOF.
Zero championships. Zero final appearances. Zero heart.

HOF talent no doubt but didnt live up to his talent. Poor attitude, often injured, equals no HOF.

no of that matters,your describing many of the people who are in the hof

you guys suffer some kind of delusion that he's asking if he makes yor own made up hof or that the basketball hof has the same standards as say the baseball hof,where its difficult to get in.its really not that hard to get in,the bar is really low by standards of other sports hof's.all you have to do is be considered a star for 3 or 4 years or be a good roleplayer on a dynasty and boom your in,and carter was considered a star in his prime years

Swashcuff
09-28-2012, 03:51 PM
Well, you have your Jason kidds than you have your monta Ellis.

One plays winning basketball, one doesn't.

Well in the right situation with the right cast (07-08 GSW) Monta has already played winning basketball. I think in a team sport being able to play what is considered as winning basketball will be heavily reliant on the team in which you are surrounded with.

rapjuicer06
09-28-2012, 04:21 PM
Carter always seemed like a me first type of player. If he wasn't happy, he wouldn't play hard. If he was mad, he'd kill you. HOF players don't have an off switch like Carter did. He's not a HOF in my book

Swashcuff
09-28-2012, 04:37 PM
Here is an SI article (http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/04/04/next-great-hof-debate-vince-carter/) on it


Now that the Hall of Fame has corrected its most grievous sin of omission and elected the great Artis Gilmore, we’ll have a short break before the next intense debate over the qualifications of a true superstar-level player — or at least a guy perceived as a true superstar-level player. That debate will come in earnest when Vince Carter becomes eligible, though it has already been going on for a while.

Even figuring conservatively, Carter is going to finish with a career point total in at least the 22,000 range, and when you get up that high, you’re dealing with nothing but Hall of Famers and future shoo-ins. He’ll probably settle in somewhere between Larry Bird (No. 32) and Elgin Baylor (No. 27) on the all-time scoring list, ahead of Hall of Famers Hal Greer, Bob Pettit, Walt Bellamy, Scottie Pippen, Earl Monroe, David Robinson, Magic Johnson, Dennis Johnson, John Stockton, Chris Mullin, Dave Bing, Lenny Wilkens, Kevin McHale, Dennis Rodman and others.

Carter figures to end up right there on the scoring list with Ray Allen and Paul Pierce, two contemporaries almost certain to get in. If Carter doesn’t make it, he’ll hold the title for at least a long while of Highest ABA/NBA Scorer Not in the Hall of Fame.

The election of Chris Mullin in the Class of 2011 holds promise for Carter’s candidacy. Of the previously mentioned Hall of Famers who have fewer career points than Carter, almost all of them were very good at something other than scoring. Included are some of the best point guards of all-time, a bunch of ace rebounders and a few defensive studs. Carter, like Mullin, is mostly a scorer who provides passing as a secondary skill. He puts up decent assist numbers for a shooting guard, but his passing mostly involves kicking the ball out when defenses loaded up on him to contain his scoring. That’s an important skill for a scorer, but it’s not as if Carter has ever pulled off passing with a high degree of difficultly or facilitating like Jason Kidd.

But don’t overlook how incredible Carter was as a scorer. Go through his stats on 82games.com, and you’ll see his teams consistently score nearly 10 more points per 100 possessions with him on the floor. This happened every season, even on the post-Tracy McGrady Raptors, and even when Richard Jefferson missed significant time for the Nets in 2006-07. Sure, the crummy benches in Jersey and Toronto provided a bit of a boost to those on-court/off-court numbers, but those are huge numbers, and few players produce them year after year, regardless of context. In his prime, Carter helped his team’s offense a ton. Rodman just got in based on monster career achievements found mostly at the defensive end; isn’t Carter the opposite sort of candidate? What’s the difference between Carter and Mullin?

(It is here that I should note that the Hall of Fame is, of course, not an NBA-only Hall of Fame and can thus take into account a candidate’s play in college and elsewhere. That obviously helps Mullin quite a bit, given his outstanding record at St. John’s and his place on the original Dream Team.)

Mullin was perhaps a more clever and natural passer, but his and Carter’s assist numbers are similar (about four per 36 minute), and Carter assists on a higher percentage of his team’s baskets. Neither is much of a rebounder or defender. They are in the Hall of Fame conversation, basically, because they score at an elite level. Neither has much of a playoff resume. Carter had never been to a conference final before last season, when he played some of the worst ball of his career against the Celtics and bricked two crucial free throws in Orlando’s series-turning home loss in Game 2. Mullin made back-to-back conference finals with the Pacers in the late 1990s, though he played a much smaller role in the second of those series – in 1999, against the Knicks.

Both have baggage, though Carter’s might be the sort that is fatal to a Hall of Fame candidacy. Mullin struggled with alcoholism, but he was a gym rat who worked tirelessly at his game, played hard for his team and used basketball as an escape from everything else. Carter indisputably quit on the Raptors in 2004-05 after becoming fed up with the front office, only to suddenly play like his old self upon a mid-season trade to New Jersey. It is almost inconceivable that this Toronto roster could ever score nearly 10 fewer points per 100 possessions with Carter on the court before the Raptors surrendered and dealt him to the Nets. But that actually happened, and Carter’s blatant tank job will rightfully taint his legacy.

So will the perception that he has failed, repeatedly, in the clutch. That perception doesn’t quite stand up when you broaden the definition of clutch (as the site 82games.com has) to include the last five minutes of games in which the scoring margin was within five points. Carter fares quite well by this measure, but I’d wager most fans would consider postseason performance to be more important than what a player does in the last five minutes of a game in March.

And it is there that Carter falls short. He was decent for the Raptors in the 2000-01 playoffs, though one miss at the end of Game 7 against the Sixers has overshadowed everything else he did during that brief run. And he was fantastic for the Nets in 2005-06. Beyond that? Carter has shot 41.5 percent overall in the playoffs and 31.5 percent from deep, down from 44.5/37.4 in the regular season. His performance against Boston in the biggest series of his life: 13.7 points on 36.7 percent shooting from the field and those two ultra-costly free-throw misses.

Carter has a couple of intangibles going his way: He’s perhaps the best dunker ever (and that matters in a pop culture sense), and he made the Raptors successful when it was unclear whether they would sustain in Toronto. Those things wouldn’t matter to me if I were voting, but this Hall of Fame’s selection process has been hard to figure for years.

My guess is that Carter – barring a late-career resurgence – is in serious danger of being left out of Springfield. And that strikes me now as a fair resolution.

mngopher35
09-28-2012, 05:02 PM
I think he has an ok chance to make it, but i dont really think he should.

ThuglifeJ
09-28-2012, 06:34 PM
He should be in. Im pretty sure his probability was .89 of getting in as of last year. After he passes bird on list hes almost auto in.

Unless they decide to make him the highest scorer of all time not to be in HOF

PC
09-28-2012, 06:49 PM
Prime example of wasted talent

MackSnackWrap
09-28-2012, 07:08 PM
ofcourse he is.. This isnt even debatable

Mile High Champ
09-28-2012, 07:18 PM
Wait... Is their a new hall of fame for players that quit on their team and fans plus only go hard "when they feel like it"? If so, than yes Carter does belong in the hall of fame.

OaklandsFinest
09-28-2012, 07:22 PM
If 'Nique ain't in Vince shouldn't get in. But I would put them both in, even though Vince has a ability to be top 5 all time had he applied himself..

faridk89
09-28-2012, 07:23 PM
I'm sorry but as professional athletes that are yes gifted, your JOB is to perform every night whether your getting paid 10 mill or 500 000 to quit on a franchise like that because your unhappy? Simply isn't cool.

Toronto Raptors
02-03 -------- 43 G 42 GS ------20.6PPG, 4.4RPG, 3.3APG, 1.1SPG-- 46.7 FG% -- 80.6% FT
03-04 -------- 73 G 73 GS ------22.5PPG, 4.8RPG, 4.8APG, 1.2SPG-- 41.7 FG% -- 80.6% FT
04-05 -------- 20 G 20 GS ------15.9PPG, 3.3RPG, 3.1APG, 1.2SPG-- 41.1 FG% -- 69.4% FT
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
New Jersey Nets
04-05 -------- 57 G 56 GS ------27.5PPG, 5.9RPG, 4.7APG, 1.5SPG-- 46.2 FG% -- 81.7% FT
05-06 -------- 79 G 79 GS ------24.2PPG, 5.8RPG, 4.3APG, 1.2SPG-- 43.0 FG% -- 79.9% FT
06-07 -------- 82 G 82 GS ------25.2PPG, 6.0RPG, 4.8APG, 1.0SPG-- 45.4 FG% -- 80.0% FT

Amen, this guy Fu%!ed his career by being a little princess... as a toronto fan it's sad to think what would of happened if he just kept playing here

Gandalf
09-28-2012, 07:25 PM
Im a huge Vince Carter Fan but i don't think he belongs in the hall of fame

PrettyBoyJ
09-28-2012, 07:36 PM
He prob will make it but not first ballot.. IMO He never lived up to his potential

ChongInc.
09-28-2012, 08:50 PM
He'll get in.
So will Iverson.

JasonJohnHorn
09-28-2012, 08:55 PM
Dunk contests and how well you throw down dunks in game should not make or break a HOF arguement.

Me personally, I saw him give up in Toronto, and you know what, I saw him give up in NJ two when Kidd had to get on his @$$ to get in the game. Guys that give up like that, or tank their performance on purpose in hopes of getting traded... they don't deserve to be in the HOF with guys like Garnett, who even while he was on a losing team he wanted to be traded from still busted his @$$ of every game and lead the league in rebounds (which you CANNOT do unless you ARE busting your @$$ OFF). Carter has show that he doesn't have the kind of respect for the fans or the game that go with a HOF career.

popo85
09-28-2012, 09:03 PM
I agree with the Nique has get in before VC can.

Ezio
09-28-2012, 09:29 PM
JB's cousin?

superwill
09-28-2012, 10:00 PM
For the last damm time it's not the nba hall of fame it is the basketball hall of fame and they look at everything you do in basketball from high school to pro ball....christian laetter is going to be in the hof i think he is in with the dream team but he's going to get in by himself one day

JNA17
09-28-2012, 10:04 PM
Vince Carter used to be really good at dunking the basketball into the basketball hoop
When he dunked the basketball, people liked to watch him do it. Nowadays, Vince Carter can't dunk as well as he used to. People still like to watch him dunk the basketball, but not as much as when he used to dunk the basketball good.

Once again, Douglas showering us with logical reasoning and wisdom that sadly most will take for granted.

#gabble gabble

JordansBulls
09-29-2012, 02:39 PM
Yes he is an 8x time allstar.

Rego247
09-29-2012, 03:51 PM
Wince in the HOF? :laugh:

Ebbs
09-29-2012, 03:55 PM
I think he does. Still a top 5 favorite player of mine all time but will see.

Chronz
09-29-2012, 04:08 PM
Prime example of wasted talent

Prime example of an ignorant comment.

Ebbs
09-29-2012, 04:18 PM
prime example of an ignorant comment.

x2

Chronz
09-29-2012, 04:27 PM
Wait... Is their a new hall of fame for players that quit on their team and fans plus only go hard "when they feel like it"? If so, than yes Carter does belong in the hall of fame.

That was a split second in an hour long film.

Ebbs
09-29-2012, 04:30 PM
I feel like spurned Toronto fans should jsut leave all VC and Bosh topics alone. We realize your opinion is mad biased. I rarely see a Toronto fan be like "hey thanks guys for making our team watchable for however long you were here."

JNA17
09-29-2012, 07:30 PM
But I will say though, no. I don't believe he's HOF material. He scored a lot and dunked a lot...that's it. What else was special about the guy?

Who cares if he quit on the Raptors, that nonsense does not belong in the discussion for the hall of fame. If it was, Lebron would never be a hall of famer then lol.

Someone in the thread said VC would be the highest point scorer to never be in the Hall of Fame. Well that's a good thing. It would show that the league doesn't just care about scorers and that the game is played on more than one side of the court.

JordansBulls
09-29-2012, 09:03 PM
You honestly think a guy who is an 8x allstar isn't going to make the hall of fame?

ThuglifeJ
09-29-2012, 09:54 PM
Ever since he won that championship for daytona hes been a big deal in basketball and he played on a highlighted unc team for a few years which matters for hof.. he was an iconic player for bball up until the second half of his nba career. How are recent reggie miller and chris mullin not making c a shoe in. And some of the other names recently in are nuts. Like 3 time all star center i saw get in.

And to the guy with kupchak in sig, a lot of hofers just scored...and vc has good assist numbers or a wing.

Should lebron not get in for quitting cleveland?dwight for quitting orlando unprofessionally? Mj even quit basketball and pippen doesnt tip at restaurants lol. Jus sayin at least he didnt make a tv show about where hes playing next.

LongWayFromHome
09-30-2012, 02:37 AM
You honestly think a guy who is an 8x allstar isn't going to make the hall of fame?

Yao?

LongWayFromHome
09-30-2012, 02:38 AM
Actually I'll just go ahead and say that Yao's career was way more impressive than VC so is Yao in?

Lim
09-30-2012, 02:46 AM
pretty sure every single person who has scored 20k+ points has made it in eventually. plus there is far worse ppl in the hof then him. hell get in.

asandhu23
09-30-2012, 03:56 AM
Yao?

Yao is going to make the Hall of Fame because of his impact on basketball as a whole. you people think its NBA hall of fame. its BASKETBALL hall of fame.

Andrew32
09-30-2012, 04:41 AM
Carter definitely belongs in the hall.

JNA17
09-30-2012, 05:33 AM
You honestly think a guy who is an 8x allstar isn't going to make the hall of fame?

since when did all star appearances matter? Jesus JB where did your intelligence go? You use to have your moments but now it's just cringe worthy posts from you now. :facepalm:

JNA17
09-30-2012, 05:36 AM
Should lebron not get in for quitting cleveland?dwight for quitting orlando unprofessionally? Mj even quit basketball and pippen doesnt tip at restaurants lol. Jus sayin at least he didnt make a tv show about where hes playing next.

That was my point. If you read my post that is XD.

Anyway, I don't believe Vince Carter has made a significant impact in basketball that is worthy of him becoming a Hall of Famer. His most well known basketball characteristic is just dunking. He just didn't have "it".

faridk89
09-30-2012, 05:52 AM
Dunk contests and how well you throw down dunks in game should not make or break a HOF arguement.

Me personally, I saw him give up in Toronto, and you know what, I saw him give up in NJ two when Kidd had to get on his @$$ to get in the game. Guys that give up like that, or tank their performance on purpose in hopes of getting traded... they don't deserve to be in the HOF with guys like Garnett, who even while he was on a losing team he wanted to be traded from still busted his @$$ of every game and lead the league in rebounds (which you CANNOT do unless you ARE busting your @$$ OFF). Carter has show that he doesn't have the kind of respect for the fans or the game that go with a HOF career.

and Pierce and Allen.... all three worked their ***** off with franchises that didn't look like they were going anywhere.

When all three got together via trades you had to support the guys!

Andrew32
09-30-2012, 07:01 AM
That was my point. If you read my post that is XD.

Anyway, I don't believe Vince Carter has made a significant impact in basketball that is worthy of him becoming a Hall of Famer. His most well known basketball characteristic is just dunking. He just didn't have "it".

I don't nessasarily disagree with you but I think Carter has a rock solid case to be in.

Dude was a top flight player for along time.

He didn't win anything but honestly... was he ever really in a position to?

I don't think his Toronto or NJ teams were ever really good enough to contend.

By time he got paired with Dwight he was already 33 and starting to decline.

Andrew32
09-30-2012, 07:04 AM
That was my point. If you read my post that is XD.

Anyway, I don't believe Vince Carter has made a significant impact in basketball that is worthy of him becoming a Hall of Famer. His most well known basketball characteristic is just dunking. He just didn't have "it".

I don't nessasarily disagree with you but I think Carter has a rock solid case to be in.

Dude was a top flight player for along time.

He didn't win anything but honestly... was he ever really in a position to?

I don't think his Toronto or NJ teams were ever really good enough to contend.

By time he got paired with Dwight he was already 33 and starting to decline.

I dunno... the guy scored 20k points.
GOAT Dunker.
Was one of the most popular players ever in the early 00's.
Won Rookie of the Year (ROY)


He was actually a decent defender and has averages of.
Regular season : (00-09) = 24 / 5.5 / 4.5apg on 45%FG / 37%3PT
Playoffs : (00-09) = 26 / 7 / 5.2apg on 52%TS (42 Games)

I believe his individual ability + longevity + accolades is more then enough to get him in considering some others who have made the hall with far weaker resumes.

drobe86
09-30-2012, 05:57 PM
I hate Carter now as a Mavericks fan, he just sucks when he comes in the game. But you have to give him credit for playing at such a high level for a long time.

JordansBulls
09-30-2012, 05:58 PM
since when did all star appearances matter? Jesus JB where did your intelligence go? You use to have your moments but now it's just cringe worthy posts from you now. :facepalm:

All star game do matter in fact BBall reference uses allstar game for it's monitor over MVP shares or MVP ranking

1.height (in inches)
2.last season indicator (1 if 1959-60 or before, 0 otherwise)
3.NBA points per game
4.NBA rebounds per game
5.NBA assists per game
6.NBA All-Star game selections
7.NBA championships won


So like I said how many guys have made 7 or 8 or more allstar games and are not in the hall of fame? You aren't making that many allstar games without having good numbers either.

abe_froman
09-30-2012, 06:10 PM
since when did all star appearances matter? Jesus JB where did your intelligence go? You use to have your moments but now it's just cringe worthy posts from you now. :facepalm:

since its mattered to voters...so since always.its actually one of the major criteria/arguments for who goes in/why some arent.so until you replace the voters with more like minded people,it will continue to be important

DoMeFavors
09-30-2012, 06:15 PM
He doesnt care, he would plays for the check he would rather be out in April then keep playing he likes his vacation. He tries against former teams like Toronto and the Nets and Magic. He fakes injuries to get time off.

I watched him for years on my team.

LongWayFromHome
10-01-2012, 12:48 AM
Yao is going to make the Hall of Fame because of his impact on basketball as a whole. you people think its NBA hall of fame. its BASKETBALL hall of fame.

I know its the "basketball hall of fame" not the "NBA hof". But obv carter will not get in due to his impact on basketball. My argument is Yao wouldn't be deserving simply cuz of 8 all star games and that's not why VC will if he is either.

CousinsEvansDUO
10-01-2012, 12:52 AM
If a guy like Vince Carter makes it to the hall of fame, than other game changing players should make it to the hall of fame that alter the game one way or another. For example Jimmer reinventing the 3 point range, he can possible change the whole landscape of the nba with his long distance shooting, creating a new defense and whole new defensive tendencies aimed at stopping long distance 3s.

If VC gets into the hall of fame someone like Jimmer will have to go to the hall of fame as well. ANd no I'm not stupid I know hes not ready yet but vince sucked at first too everyone takes time to harness their game.

ThuglifeJ
10-01-2012, 01:13 AM
well i guess kings fans are as young as heat fans on here now?

ThuglifeJ
10-01-2012, 01:14 AM
I cringed at the post about jimmer..

Zefflin
10-01-2012, 01:27 AM
Vince Carter used to be really good at dunking the basketball into the basketball hoop
When he dunked the basketball, people liked to watch him do it. Nowadays, Vince Carter can't dunk as well as he used to. People still like to watch him dunk the basketball, but not as much as when he used to dunk the basketball good.

HAHAH best poster on psd

JordansBulls
10-04-2012, 09:50 PM
Vince Carter used to be really good at dunking the basketball into the basketball hoop
When he dunked the basketball, people liked to watch him do it. Nowadays, Vince Carter can't dunk as well as he used to. People still like to watch him dunk the basketball, but not as much as when he used to dunk the basketball good.

:dance: