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Mile High Champ
09-22-2012, 03:42 PM
Hey guys, Some of you may remember that for the last four years I have conducted a poll at the end of the season that had PSD users vote for the top 10 players at each position. The season is now over and the Heat have been crowned NBA champs which means its time to kick off the off-season player rankings.

A lot has changed since last season. Lebron was labelled by some as Choke Artist in the clutch and now this year had one of the greatest finals performances in recent memory. Let start the discussion since lots has changed since the start of last season. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for two days and than we can carry on to the next best player in the league. I will add more players after each round. I have also included the results of those last 4 years so everyone can see how much things have changed...Enjoy.

REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best

Rules of adding players to the Voting Process

In terms of adding players to the poll, it will be done like this.

As soon as Rajon Rondo goes off the board, I will add other PG's.
As soon as Manu Ginobili goes off the board, I will add other SG's
As soon as LaMarcus Aldridge goes off the board, I will add other PF's.

And so on and so on..

This is to ensure that players that won their respective positions get a higher place in the list.

Current Player Comparison:


_____________ Player Season ____ Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1 Paul Pierce 2011-12 34 61 2075 19.6 .567 .499 2.2 15.2 9.0 24.3 1.8 1.0 14.2 28.1 106 99 3.3 3.7 7.0 .161
2 Andrew Bynum 2011-12 24 60 2112 22.9 .594 .558 10.6 26.1 18.7 7.4 0.7 4.0 13.9 23.8 112 100 4.8 3.3 8.0 .183
3 Manu Ginobili 2011-12 34 34 792 24.1 .668 .618 2.7 13.9 8.4 30.3 1.6 1.1 16.3 22.7 125 104 3.4 0.9 4.2 .257
4 LaMarcus Aldridge 2011-12 26 55 1994 22.7 .560 .513 8.6 17.5 12.9 13.2 1.3 1.7 9.5 27.0 113 106 5.4 1.6 7.0 .169
5 Rajon Rondo 2011-12 25 53 1957 17.5 .483 .456 3.9 11.2 7.7 52.5 2.6 0.1 22.8 20.7 101 99 1.5 3.4 4.9 .121
2012 NBA Off-Season Player Rankings

1) Lebron James
2) Kevin Durant
3) Dwight Howard
4) Chris Paul
5) Kobe Bryant
6) Dwyane Wade
7) Kevin Love
8) Derrick Rose
9) Dirk Nowitzki
10) Russell Westbrook
11) Carmelo Anthony
12) Deron Williams
13)
14)
15)


2011 Off-Season Best Player Rankings

1) Lebron James
2) Dwight Howard
3) Dwyane Wade
4) Chris Paul
5) Dirk Nowitzki
6) Kobe Bryant
7) Kevin Durant
8) Derrick Rose
9) Deron Williams
10) Carmelo Anthony

2010 Off-Season Best Player Rankings

1) Kobe Bryant
2) Lebron James
3) Dwyane Wade
4) Kevin Durant
5) Chris Paul
6) Dwight Howard
7) Carmelo Anthony
8) Dirk Nowitzki
9) Deron Williams
10) Tim Duncan - Pau Gasol Tie


2009 Off-Season Best Player Rankings

1) Kobe Bryant
2) Lebron James
3) Dwayne Wade
4) Chris Paul
5) Dwight Howard
6) Tim Duncan
7) Dirk Nowitzki
8) Carmelo Anthony
9) Kevin Garnett
10) Brandon Roy[/CODE]

2012 NBA Off-Season Player Rankings

1) Lebron James
2) Kevin Durant
3) Dwight Howard
4) Chris Paul
5) Kobe Bryant
6) Dwyane Wade
7) Kevin Love
8)
9)
10)
11)
12)
13)
14)
15)


2011 Off-Season Best Player Rankings

1) Lebron James
2) Dwight Howard
3) Dwyane Wade
4) Chris Paul
5) Dirk Nowitzki
6) Kobe Bryant
7) Kevin Durant
8) Derrick Rose
9) Deron Williams
10) Carmelo Anthony

2010 Off-Season Best Player Rankings

1) Kobe Bryant
2) Lebron James
3) Dwyane Wade
4) Kevin Durant
5) Chris Paul
6) Dwight Howard
7) Carmelo Anthony
8) Dirk Nowitzki
9) Deron Williams
10) Tim Duncan - Pau Gasol Tie


2009 Off-Season Best Player Rankings

1) Kobe Bryant
2) Lebron James
3) Dwayne Wade
4) Chris Paul
5) Dwight Howard
6) Tim Duncan
7) Dirk Nowitzki
8) Carmelo Anthony
9) Kevin Garnett
10) Brandon Roy

DanG
09-22-2012, 03:43 PM
Bynum again.

Hustlenomics
09-22-2012, 03:43 PM
Rondo because of his stellar playoff performances

Mile High Champ
09-22-2012, 03:46 PM
Really? Manu continues to get hated on. He is easily the most efficient player of all the options and had an incredible year despite his injuries. If Rose and Deron can make the list, why can't Manu when he statistically better than everyone on the board. Only other case here that can be made is for Bynum.

phlp_bj
09-22-2012, 03:47 PM
bynum

Hustlenomics
09-22-2012, 03:49 PM
Really? Manu continues to get hated on. He is easily the most efficient player of all the options and had an incredible year despite his injuries. If Rose and Deron can make the list, why can't Manu when he statistically better than everyone on the board. Only other case here that can be made is for Bynum.

he played 34 games this season

Corey
09-22-2012, 03:52 PM
Bynum in a landslide.

Mile High Champ
09-22-2012, 03:53 PM
he played 34 games this season

Rose played 39 games. What is your point exactly?

Hustlenomics
09-22-2012, 03:57 PM
Rose played 39 games. What is your point exactly?

Chicago has a huge fanbase here and Rose is better than manu he just had an MVP season

Corey
09-22-2012, 03:58 PM
he played 34 games this season

Rose played 39 games. What is your point exactly?
He has no point. He cherry picks numbers when they benefit his argument, then bashes stats when they prove him wrong.

Just ignore him.

Just like he's cherry picking Rondos playoff performances and completely ignoring his up and down regular season.

Hustlenomics
09-22-2012, 03:59 PM
He has no point. He cherry picks numbers when they benefit his argument, then bashes stats when they prove him wrong.

Just ignore him.

and you just follow me everywhere i go

Mile High Champ
09-22-2012, 04:03 PM
I am fine with the top 11 to be honest. Deron getting 11 makes me a little sick considering how bad he has been the last two seasons but people overlook it saying "oh he has a bad team". Just irritating to hear over and over again. Manu will always get overlooked in these polls because he does not play on a flashy team or one with a huge fan base. Every year he continues to ignore age and only gets better. His numbers last year (yes only 34 games) were incredible. Over 24 PER and .257 WS/48. Both great numbers that not many guys can put up.

Mile High Champ
09-22-2012, 04:04 PM
and you just follow me everywhere i go

Rondo? Really? Come on. He had a such an above average year but of course you gotta pull out the homer vote. Why is Rondo so much better than Manu, Bynum, LMA or Pierce?

Corey
09-22-2012, 04:05 PM
He has no point. He cherry picks numbers when they benefit his argument, then bashes stats when they prove him wrong.

Just ignore him.

and you just follow me everywhere i go
I've posted in almost every ranking thread so far. Nice effort.

I'm actually trying to contribute towards an accurate player ranking rather than blindly voting for my favorite players.

Feel free to post a legitimate argument for Rondo over Bynum here. I'd love to hear it.

Mile High Champ
09-22-2012, 04:05 PM
Chicago has a huge fanbase here and Rose is better than manu he just had an MVP season

Convenient excuse.

b@llhog24
09-22-2012, 04:08 PM
Bynum, I'll vote Manu come 15.

Hustlenomics
09-22-2012, 04:09 PM
Convenient excuse.

I don't think anyone in the world believes a healthy Manu is better than a healthy Rose

Chacarron
09-22-2012, 04:09 PM
Andrew Bynum for the 3rd straight time.

b@llhog24
09-22-2012, 04:12 PM
I don't think anyone in the world believes a healthy Manu is better than a healthy Rose

Rose is only better than Manu BECAUSE Manu can't stay healthy. In a perfect world were injuries didn't exist give me Manu.

LAKERMANIA
09-22-2012, 04:19 PM
People who voted Manu... Seriously? Over Bynum??????

Hustlenomics
09-22-2012, 04:23 PM
I've posted in almost every ranking thread so far. Nice effort.

I'm actually trying to contribute towards an accurate player ranking rather than blindly voting for my favorite players.

Feel free to post a legitimate argument for Rondo over Bynum here. I'd love to hear it.

Playoffs

Rondo
17.3 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 11.9 apg, 2.4 spg

Bynum
16.7 ppg, 11.1 rpg, 1.5 apg, 0.4 spg

Rondo: 4 playoff triple doubles
Bynum: 1 playoff triple double

Corey
09-22-2012, 04:25 PM
Are those really the stats you're going to cherry pick?

Lol at disregarding regular season, and bringing up assist/rebound/steal comparisons when comparing a point guard and a center.

I guess Rondo is a better player than Durant, Howard, Kobe, Love, Wade, etc. because he had more playoff assists and triple doubles, right? :rolleyes:

LAKERMANIA
09-22-2012, 04:25 PM
Playoffs

Rondo
17.3 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 11.9 apg, 2.4 spg

Bynum
16.7 ppg, 11.1 rpg, 1.5 apg, 0.4 spg

Rondo: 4 playoff triple doubles
Bynum: 1 playoff triple double

Well its a good thing we're looking at the entire season then isn't it?

Hustlenomics
09-22-2012, 04:27 PM
Are those really the stats you're going to cherry pick?

Lol at disregarding regular season, and bringing up assist/rebound/steal comparisons when comparing a point guard and a center.

how do you compare a point guard and center?

LAKERMANIA
09-22-2012, 04:29 PM
You don't.

But if you have to, you compare ALL STATS

not just stats that are going to make a PG look better. Like comparing just points, rebounds, Assists and steals is completely ******** because its not a center's job to get assists and steals..

Plus you only compared the playoffs.. Compare the entire season

MintBerryCrunch
09-22-2012, 04:31 PM
really? Manu continues to get hated on. He is easily the most efficient player of all the options and had an incredible year despite his injuries. If rose and deron can make the list, why can't manu when he statistically better than everyone on the board. Only other case here that can be made is for bynum.

mpg

Hustlenomics
09-22-2012, 04:37 PM
You don't.

But if you have to, you compare ALL STATS

not just stats that are going to make a PG look better. Like comparing just points, rebounds, Assists and steals is completely ******** because its not a center's job to get assists and steals..

Plus you only compared the playoffs.. Compare the entire season

it's the same thing in the regular season except scoring and Rondo doesn't focus on scoring in the regular season but he still creates more points for his team than Bynum does

LAKERMANIA
09-22-2012, 04:40 PM
it's the same thing in the regular season except scoring and Rondo doesn't focus on scoring in the regular season but he still creates more points for his team than Bynum does

That's because he's a playmaking POINT GUARD

Hustlenomics
09-22-2012, 04:44 PM
That's because he's a playmaking POINT GUARD

yea and he brings more to the table

Chronz
09-22-2012, 04:47 PM
Cant believe Deron went. As for Rondo, KG was easily the better player and without question far more valuable to the team, but what if we are expecting a significant decline? Should we base it on what we last saw? If so then Im going Bynum so I can vote for KG already.

jericho
09-22-2012, 05:00 PM
bynum here like rondo more but its bynum's turn to go of the board

Bruno
09-22-2012, 05:01 PM
Andrew Bynum for the 3rd straight time.

x2

jericho
09-22-2012, 05:03 PM
Rose is only better than Manu BECAUSE Manu can't stay healthy. In a perfect world were injuries didn't exist give me Manu.

holly hell what world is this im i dreaming im agreeing with you

Corey
09-22-2012, 05:07 PM
That's because he's a playmaking POINT GUARD

yea and he brings more to the table
Yet Bynum had a better overall PER, attributed a better WS/48, more overall win shares, played more minutes, and even posted a higher playoff WS/48.

Oh and just for ***** and giggles, Bynums free throw percentage was 10 percent higher than Rondos.

jericho
09-22-2012, 05:09 PM
Really? Manu continues to get hated on. He is easily the most efficient player of all the options and had an incredible year despite his injuries. If Rose and Deron can make the list, why can't Manu when he statistically better than everyone on the board. Only other case here that can be made is for Bynum.

while i like manu he 1 of my fav players i remember watching his crazy jaw droping can you believe he did that plays sometimes advance stats dont tell the hole story

Mile High Champ
09-22-2012, 05:09 PM
mpg

Because he plays on routinely the best team in the west and for a coach that chooses not to play its starters for excess minutes each night. That makes Manu less deserving? Please.

Hustlenomics
09-22-2012, 05:12 PM
Yet Bynum had a better overall PER, attributed a better WS/48, more overall win shares, played more minutes, and even posted a higher playoff WS/48.

Oh and just for ***** and giggles, Bynums free throw percentage was 10 percent higher than Rondos.

per means nothing, Rondo has him beat in WS's in the playoffs as he lead his team further and took the champs to 7, Rondo had more minutes per game regular season and playoffs and we both know rondo is better conditioned than Bynum ..but ok,

Corey
09-22-2012, 05:16 PM
Lol.

You use assists and steals to make a case for a guard over a center...then dismiss the numbers that point towards Bynum being a more productive player.

And, no **** Rondo accumulated more playoff win shares...It's a number that accumulates. The Celtics played more games than the Lakers. Common sense.

Bynum still had a higher playoff WS/48.

Hustlenomics
09-22-2012, 05:18 PM
tiago splitter has a higher PER than Rondo i guess he's better than him too

Corey
09-22-2012, 05:25 PM
Again, choosing one stat to cherry pick?

Typical.

Feel free to try to pull that with someone else. I didn't use a single stat to make a case for Bynum, did I?

Hustlenomics
09-22-2012, 05:28 PM
yep its only cherry picking when it doesn't support your argument

Bruno
09-22-2012, 05:30 PM
bynum-blowout.

Corey
09-22-2012, 05:30 PM
Iused multiple numbers to backup my argument. You compared a center and a guard by using assists, rebounds and steals.

Now you're attempting to sidetrack the thread instead of making a case for Rondo.

Good work :)

Hustlenomics
09-22-2012, 05:32 PM
Iused multiple numbers to backup my argument. You compared a center and a guard by using assists, rebounds and steals.

Now you're attempting to sidetrack the thread instead of making a case for Rondo.

Good work :)

those aren't numbers? you like arguing for no reason

Corey
09-22-2012, 05:36 PM
Iused multiple numbers to backup my argument. You compared a center and a guard by using assists, rebounds and steals.

Now you're attempting to sidetrack the thread instead of making a case for Rondo.

Good work :)

those aren't numbers? you like arguing for no reason

Very good observation, those are indeed numbers.

However, using basic per game averages of rebounds, steals and assists to compare a guard and a center is awfully nonsensical.

I'm sorry that you don't understand why it doesn't make sense :(

Baller1
09-22-2012, 05:38 PM
Manu is getting shafted hard in these rankings.

Hustlenomics
09-22-2012, 05:39 PM
Very good observation, those are indeed numbers.

However, using basic per game averages of rebounds, steals and assists to compare a guard and a center is awfully nonsensical.

I'm sorry that you don't understand why it doesn't make sense :(

i used points in the playoffs too

Corey
09-22-2012, 05:43 PM
Very good observation, those are indeed numbers.

However, using basic per game averages of rebounds, steals and assists to compare a guard and a center is awfully nonsensical.

I'm sorry that you don't understand why it doesn't make sense :(

i used points in the playoffs tooYet again taking a small sample instead of looking at the entire picture.

If you're relying on playoff numbers to make an argument, I guess guys like Deron, Dwight, Love shouldn't even be in the running.

Either way, Bynum was a better player last season, and most unbiased fans would agree.

Hustlenomics
09-22-2012, 05:45 PM
Yet again taking a small sample instead of looking at the entire picture.

If you're relying on playoff numbers to make an argument, I guess guys like Deron, Dwight, Love shouldn't even be in the running.

playoffs is the most important part of the year obviously you have to factor that in

Corey
09-22-2012, 05:52 PM
Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that Bynum was a better player last year.

Hustlenomics
09-22-2012, 05:58 PM
you've had tyreke evans ranked ahead of Rondo before please stop replying to me

LAKERMANIA
09-22-2012, 06:13 PM
How old are you?^

Dade County
09-22-2012, 07:15 PM
Does Aldridge have to be voted off, before Bosh can get onto the list?

theheatles
09-22-2012, 07:16 PM
i like rondo here but i'm going bynum just to get him out of the way

seikou8
09-22-2012, 07:24 PM
bynum then manu

More-Than-Most
09-22-2012, 07:26 PM
The fact that Melo/Williams is above Bynum is just :pity:

More-Than-Most
09-22-2012, 07:29 PM
x2

x3

BklynKnicks3
09-22-2012, 07:31 PM
rondo easily

Corey
09-22-2012, 07:47 PM
you've had tyreke evans ranked ahead of Rondo before please stop replying to me

You have me mistaken for someone else.

I'm one of the bigger Tyreke haters on this site.

If I did happen to say something about Tyreke being better, it was likely after his rookie season in 2009 when it looked like the sky was the limit for him.

I still dont recall.

Im_in_Mia_bish
09-22-2012, 07:47 PM
Bynum, Rondo, than i shall see what options we have than..

everythin is falling to plan hehehehehehehe

MintBerryCrunch
09-22-2012, 07:52 PM
Because he plays on routinely the best team in the west and for a coach that chooses not to play its starters for excess minutes each night. That makes Manu less deserving? Please.

No.. Because he's not as productive as the other choices

jerellh528
09-22-2012, 07:53 PM
Does Aldridge have to be voted off, before Bosh can get onto the list?

:laugh2:

Mile High Champ
09-22-2012, 08:34 PM
No.. Because he's not as productive as the other choices

What stats are you looking at? Did you really say MAnu is not as productive and efficient as Pierce, LMA or Rondo. Come on man look at the stats.

NBA-GMaster
09-22-2012, 08:37 PM
Goin' for Rondo!!

knickerbockerny
09-22-2012, 08:55 PM
Rondo is very underrated!!

EDUTEXANS
09-22-2012, 09:14 PM
It should be Bynum in the previous poll, so I'll vote him here, can't believe Williams beat him. But I actually think Rondo is a better player. He should be the third best PG, after Paul and Rose. He played so well in the playoffs last year, all his carreer actually, he is a postseason monster. He'll go next.

MintBerryCrunch
09-22-2012, 09:31 PM
What stats are you looking at? Did you really say MAnu is not as productive and efficient as Pierce, LMA or Rondo. Come on man look at the stats.

No I meant the people selected above him. He's definitely better than Pierce and Aldridge. Rondo, eh I guess.

Edit : but Bynum? No. Bynum is a better player

Swashcuff
09-22-2012, 09:31 PM
Bynum then Aldridge and Bosh top wrap up the top 15.

JOhnnyTHaJet
09-22-2012, 10:35 PM
I'd prefer Rondo personally over Bynum but I understand the argument.

The way its going I think it should turn out Bynum, Rondo, then Manu.

BklynKnicks3
09-22-2012, 10:56 PM
wow u people are nuts melo 11th how is rondo behind bynum diffrent level

xxplayerxx23
09-22-2012, 11:04 PM
Easily bynum over Rondo. Rondo wasn't even the best player on the celitcs. I think Ill got Bynum-KG-Manu to finish off the top 15. Rondo isn't top 15.

BklynKnicks3
09-22-2012, 11:09 PM
rondo is amazingf what wrong with u people lol iam not even a fan just sayin he put up games like 20 20 15 thats not even normal

xxplayerxx23
09-22-2012, 11:11 PM
NO WAY he puts up games 20-20-15 :faint: Can we revote? I think that proves rondo>Lebron

Corey
09-22-2012, 11:11 PM
He also puts up awful games. Your point?

xxplayerxx23
09-22-2012, 11:14 PM
He also puts up awful games. Your point?

20-20-15 best pg in the game Corey

SteBO
09-22-2012, 11:18 PM
rondo is amazingf what wrong with u people lol iam not even a fan just sayin he put up games like 20 20 15 thats not even normal
So? Bynum has had 20 15 and 10 blocks type of games. And let's not discount the games where Rondo has had a high number of TO's combined with putrid individual offense. I don't see Bynum having those issues.....

BklynKnicks3
09-22-2012, 11:20 PM
Bynum did that once then actually got outplayed by magee half the series

SteBO
09-22-2012, 11:21 PM
Bynum did that once then actually got outplayed by magee half the series
And still wasn't as offensively inept as Rondo....

BklynKnicks3
09-22-2012, 11:21 PM
rondo should be ahead of dwill. Love and dwill have both been losers dwill for last 2 years and love since he came to nba. If u are putting up 26 and 14 it means nothing with out wins to show for it

Bruno
09-22-2012, 11:25 PM
i'm a huge rondo fan.

but there's no getting around how pedestrian his regular season numbers are. even when he was brilliant in the playoffs, his TS% still sucked. for all his floor-general brilliance, he's still a liability as a floor spreader, and a free-throw shooter; undesirable traits for a "traditional point guard".

Bynum is winning this poll because he can anchor a top ten defense. even if the offensive comparison is a wash, bynum is an anchor. i also like Manu but he's made of glass, and he's old.

xxplayerxx23
09-22-2012, 11:44 PM
Um Love is the offense. Twolves would of been in the playoffs if Rubio stayed healthy. ^^

Chacarron
09-22-2012, 11:46 PM
Rondo is the GOAT, close thread.

Jesse2272
09-22-2012, 11:55 PM
Anyone voting Rojzilla over the Truth is crazy...

Corey
09-23-2012, 01:02 AM
Rondo is the GOAT, close thread.

Voice of reason

MintBerryCrunch
09-23-2012, 01:57 AM
Manu just shouldn't be 13 or 14 simply because of his lack of minutes and overall effect on the game. I'm not saying he doesn't have a huge effect when he does play, just not as much as Bynum or Rondo. I mean even ESPN ranked him 25th best player in the NBA behind the likes of Tyson Chandler and Kyrie Irving.

NYKnicksAllDay
09-23-2012, 02:33 AM
Bynum should've been off the board at #11 so I'm going with him for the 3rd time now.

BklynKnicks3
09-23-2012, 09:48 AM
Manu lol u people cant be serious he is not even better then harden he like top 30 whats wrong with u people.

Im_in_Mia_bish
09-23-2012, 10:16 AM
bynum is just killin it. landslide victory.

Im_in_Mia_bish
09-23-2012, 10:17 AM
where did all the other voters go who voted for the 11th and 12th best player?

there were easily over 100 voters..

Dade County
09-23-2012, 10:28 AM
where did all the other voters go who voted for the 11th and 12th best player?

there were easily over 100 voters..

OK.... Melo & D will

All I have to say is, New York New York

Im_in_Mia_bish
09-23-2012, 10:39 AM
OK.... Melo & D will

All I have to say is, New York New York

lol

B'sCeltsPatsSox
09-23-2012, 11:00 AM
Rondo wasn't even the best player on his team last season.....

Sportfan
09-23-2012, 11:25 AM
#TeamRajon!

theheatles
09-23-2012, 11:43 AM
Bynum
Rondo
LaMarcus
Bosh

xxplayerxx23
09-23-2012, 11:49 AM
Bynum
Rondo
LaMarcus
Bosh

KG is beter then the last 3.

Corey
09-23-2012, 12:04 PM
Manu lol u people cant be serious he is not even better then harden he like top 30 whats wrong with u people.There's no doubt in my mind that Manu is a more talented all around player than Harden...and I'm a pretty big Thunder fanboy.

Hawkeye15
09-23-2012, 01:49 PM
per means nothing, Rondo has him beat in WS's in the playoffs as he lead his team further and took the champs to 7, Rondo had more minutes per game regular season and playoffs and we both know rondo is better conditioned than Bynum ..but ok,

I have noticed a trend with you. You throw away stats that don't show your favorite player in a positive light, and embrace any single one that does.

For someone who hates stats, you are not only attempting to use them to help you, but you are using them incorrectly every time.