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Black Betsy
09-18-2012, 01:30 PM
Nobody has hit 400 since ted Williams hit 406 that was in 1941, we seen players flirt with 400, Joe Mauer 365, Ichiro 372 out of every player who has the chance to break the 400 barrier. Who ever does, does he deserve MVP? even if he hits lets say 8 Hrs 88 RBI.

These are the only player's I see having a shot
Miguel Cabrera (I think he has the best contact in the game it just looks like he doesn't work for it or gets frustrated, that's how easy he makes it look)

Joe Mauer (he is a classic type player doesn't hit for power, has all natural skill doesn't need a needle or put on weight. he commands both sides of the field with his bat fun to see him play.)

Mike Trout (out of the 3 he is my favorite to hit 400, there ism nothing I need to explain about him he is not about homeruns or triples he is about what comes to him and seeing him hit over 330 this season is a blast)

MetsFanatic19
09-18-2012, 01:39 PM
I'd honestly say no. A player could be a singles slap hitter and hit .400, but if that's the only thing on their resume, then they shouldn't deserve it. Whoever is the best player should get MVP, not who has had the highest stat in 70 years.

As for who has the chance to get there, I believe that it will take a long time. The game just isn't the same. There are scouting reports all over the place, more stats to help out pitchers, managers bringing in a reliever because he has pitched better against said batter, etc... It's going to take someone real special to get to .400.

Black Betsy
09-18-2012, 01:40 PM
I'd honestly say no. A player could be a singles slap hitter and hit .400, but if that's the only thing on their resume, then they shouldn't deserve it. Whoever is the best player should get MVP, not who has had the highest stat in 70 years.

yeah, but you have to admire 400 is very hard to get.

MetsFanatic19
09-18-2012, 01:43 PM
yeah, but you have to admire 400 is very hard to get.

Of course, no doubt about it, but that's why we have the batting crown, for players who hit for average. If there was a player hitting .400 right now and he hits for little power and all he does is hit singles, I'd still give the award to Mike Trout or Miggy.

Black Betsy
09-18-2012, 01:47 PM
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ciaban
09-18-2012, 02:00 PM
i think if it gets done it would need to be a switch hitter to do it, that way it would negate lefty right matchup's or a guy like adrian gonzalez who does as well against righties as he does lefties.

Pinstripe pride
09-18-2012, 02:15 PM
should they be MVP? maybe, maybe not it would depend, but they shouldn't be a lock just because the hit 400.


that beign said, would they be MVP? absolutely

Nomar
09-18-2012, 02:18 PM
There is no way Trout will hit .400, his BABIP is .382 and his BA is still .329. If anything he average will go down to .285-.295 next year. a .382 BABIP is unsustainable.

theslick1
09-18-2012, 02:28 PM
Is .400 deserving of MVP? Maybe, but certainly not automatic.

Tony Gwynn hit .394 in 1994 and only finished 7th in MVP voting. He hit .372 in 1997 (8th in MVP voting) and .370 in 1987 (6th in MVP voting).

Nomar
09-18-2012, 02:32 PM
Is .400 deserving of MVP? Maybe, but certainly not automatic.

Tony Gwynn hit .394 in 1994 and only finished 7th in MVP voting. He hit .372 in 1997 (8th in MVP voting) and .370 in 1987 (6th in MVP voting).

To be fair in '94 Bagwell deserved that MVP more than Gwynn. Amazing numbers. Plus it was a shorter season, so it wouldve been less impressive if he hit .400 then.

Jeffy25
09-18-2012, 02:36 PM
If the question is, will it happen again....then yes. It WILL happen again. How long it takes is the question, not if.

There is too much variation in the cyclical sport of baseball. We'll see a career .330 hitter have that high babip season where he breaks .400 at some point in baseball history again. Will it be in my lifetime? That I have no idea. You can't exactly predict such an accomplishment.

Black Betsy
09-18-2012, 02:39 PM
But do you think any player that is currently playing or in the minors has the skill to do it?

Nomar
09-18-2012, 02:41 PM
There's nobody i can see doing it. It would take a lot of luck to begin with (BABIP). If i had to guess i would say Wright or Mauer if he moves off of C.

OldStyleCubbies
09-18-2012, 02:57 PM
I don't think it happens again with the way pitching is dominating the game. Guys' stuff seems to improve year by year in the majors.

rocket
09-18-2012, 03:06 PM
If Miguel Cabrera was the fastest player in Baseball I could maybe see him getting there.

Jeffy25
09-18-2012, 03:29 PM
But do you think any player that is currently playing or in the minors has the skill to do it?

well yeah.

But the reality is that it takes a ridiculous amount of luck to be able to actually pull it off and that high skill level.

There are a few guys that could pull it up, someone like Pujols, Ichiro, or Mauer would be your best bet. But all our declining worse now.

You need someone that can sustain the .400 babip (which is crazy rare) and has enough power and low enough strike out rate that they could pull it off.


honestly, Pujols would have been the best bet. He keeps the ball in play at a high velocity, and has enough power, and low enough strike outs that he could have pulled it off.

Ichiro's speed and slap bat would have been good enough.

As of today though, I don't know that there is anyone. It will take a fluke season of luck, and a high level of 80 contact skill to do it. And there are only a handful of guys with that skill level at 80, and put the ball in play at an 80 skill level.

But I believe we will see it again, completely. I just don't know who it would be.

ciaban
09-18-2012, 03:50 PM
in the minors, maybe billy hamilton, part of the reason trouts babip is so high is because he is fast enough to beat out infield singles, and billy hamilton has speed in spades, but that's kind of what it would take to reach the .400 mark

Nick O
09-18-2012, 04:23 PM
It wont happen,... no one in recent baseball has been more built to do it then ichiro in his prime and even he came considerably short... and i dont feel we are ever going to see a better pure hitter than Ichiro in baseball ever again. at least not for a LONG time...

Jeffy25
09-19-2012, 04:59 AM
in the minors, maybe billy hamilton, part of the reason trouts babip is so high is because he is fast enough to beat out infield singles, and billy hamilton has speed in spades, but that's kind of what it would take to reach the .400 mark

Another huge aspect of carrying a high babip is hitting the ball hard.

Something Trout, Holliday, and other powerful line drive hitters do a lot of. Is Hamilton going to do that at the big league level?

Even with a .380 babip this season against minor league defenses, he is barely hitting .300

Is he going to carry a .450+ babip in the big leagues or something?

metswon69
09-19-2012, 05:10 AM
With the game as specialized as it is, with all the different relievers that come into games to pitch one hitter here one hitter there i doubt it.

I mean all the notes these managers have on players now and the chance that a hitter could see at least 4 different pitchers in one game.

Not to mention guys throwing harder than they ever have especially in the times where a lot of these guys hit .400.

The game has changed too much for a guy to be that consistent that often, i think it's just not possible.

I think guys will come close maybe hit .360 or .370 but never .400 again.

Saying that, i mean it would take a once in a generation type talent to probably do it and maybe Mike Trout is up to it one year.

Halladay
09-19-2012, 05:19 AM
At this point I'd say Trout has the best chance out of all the players currently in the game. Ichiro would have been your best bet ten years ago. Guys who really have the tools to do it. Not only the ability to slap the ball and provide power with low k rates but also have blazing speed. I can't really think of too many guys at that level. I would assume if a guy hits .400 then he's gonna garner some MVP votes but if it's an empty average per se then they may not deserve the MVP. The odds of having an empty BA is pretty unlikely however. In recent times we saw Bonds do this(minus the speed) but even he was 30 points off the .400 mark which is a pretty large gap to close.

Black Betsy
09-19-2012, 04:04 PM
well yeah.

But the reality is that it takes a ridiculous amount of luck to be able to actually pull it off and that high skill level.

There are a few guys that could pull it up, someone like Pujols, Ichiro, or Mauer would be your best bet. But all our declining worse now.

You need someone that can sustain the .400 babip (which is crazy rare) and has enough power and low enough strike out rate that they could pull it off.


honestly, Pujols would have been the best bet. He keeps the ball in play at a high velocity, and has enough power, and low enough strike outs that he could have pulled it off.

Ichiro's speed and slap bat would have been good enough.

As of today though, I don't know that there is anyone. It will take a fluke season of luck, and a high level of 80 contact skill to do it. And there are only a handful of guys with that skill level at 80, and put the ball in play at an 80 skill level.

But I believe we will see it again, completely. I just don't know who it would be.
according to mlb the show 2012 Miguel Cabrera has an A contact.

Driven
09-19-2012, 04:11 PM
I'm not going to give someone the MVP based on one stat. It's got to be a complete player.

Jeffy25
09-19-2012, 04:14 PM
according to mlb the show 2012 Miguel Cabrera has an A contact.

Houray?

burgh_fan66
09-19-2012, 04:24 PM
Just to throw this out there if one of those big left handed power hitters who get the shift treatment would ever decide to work on his bunting skills and start laying balls down the 3rd base line I think they would have a great chance at .400.

I know eventually teams would start to play them straight up but then the big hole that they always seem to hit it through would open up again. It would obviously take a player with good contact skills and some decent speed would help but I think it could be doable.

KingPosey
09-19-2012, 04:46 PM
There is no way Trout will hit .400, his BABIP is .382 and his BA is still .329. If anything he average will go down to .285-.295 next year. a .382 BABIP is unsustainable.

well dude, if someone hit over .400, which people have, then their BABIP would have to be over .400.....

KingPosey
09-19-2012, 04:47 PM
I'm not going to give someone the MVP based on one stat. It's got to be a complete player.

i would if he hit 200 hrs and sucked at everything else.

Jeffy25
09-19-2012, 04:54 PM
well dude, if someone hit over .400, which people have, then their BABIP would have to be over .400.....

Which has only happened 5 times since 1940 (someone have a .400 babip in a season)


In 41, Williams BABIP was .378

in 80, Bretts BABIP was .368 when he hit .390


9 times since 1913 a player has hit .400 or better
3 times one of those players didn't have a babip over .400

41 Williams, 25 Hornsby, 22 Hornsby

KingPosey
09-19-2012, 05:03 PM
Which has only happened 5 times since 1940 (someone have a .400 babip in a season)


In 41, Williams BABIP was .378

in 80, Bretts BABIP was .368 when he hit .390


9 times since 1913 a player has hit .400 or better
3 times one of those players didn't have a babip over .400

41 Williams, 25 Hornsby, 22 Hornsby
I know Jeffy, but he was saying there is no way a .380 BABIP was sustainable, and we are talking about someone hitting .400 AGAIN. You dont see the ridiculousness in that?

RTL
09-19-2012, 05:06 PM
No one will hit .400 in my lifetime.

Jeffy25
09-19-2012, 05:07 PM
I know Jeffy, but he was saying there is no way a .380 BABIP was sustainable, and we are talking about someone hitting .400 AGAIN. You dont see the ridiculousness in that?

Oh absolutely.

A .380 BABIP CAREER is unsustainable, but it happens in a single season all the time. In fact, 22 times in the last decade alone.

Usually about 2 players per year on average over the last 50 years as well.

Black Betsy
09-20-2012, 11:45 AM
No one will hit .400 in my lifetime.

Ichiro almost did. I see it done by 2022. when all our favorite prospect's hit there prime and player's like mike trout are 30yrs old. when our favirote players today have probably become tomorrow hall of famers and maybe already hit 400.

RTL
09-20-2012, 11:51 AM
A few players "almost did" with Brett being the closest in 1980 which was also not in my lifetime. Ichiro's best attempt was .372 which isn't really that close if you think about it. I just don't see it being done with all the extra added pressure that wasn't there even ten years ago with internet and 24/7 media coverage. It's one of the hardest things to accomplish.

WOwolfOL
09-20-2012, 12:07 PM
There is no way Trout will hit .400, his BABIP is .382 and his BA is still .329. If anything he average will go down to .285-.295 next year. a .382 BABIP is unsustainable.

If you look at Trout's MiLB stats you will see that he has no problem sustaining a 380 BABIP.

bagwell368
09-20-2012, 12:08 PM
long seasons, nagging injuries, night games, better placed fielders, pressure to work walks

it would tend to be LHH, that is fast, able to spray the field with line drives - such a hitter won't end up with a lot of HR's. Gwynn did hit .400 across two seasons, he's ahead of Carew, Brett, and all the other guys with big single years. He'd be a likely model.

Getting an MVP depends on context. If the guy is a great fielder and leads his team to the playoffs... maybe.

WOwolfOL
09-20-2012, 01:59 PM
I would say the cavernous ballparks of the past really helped players sustain higher BABIPs and thus, BA. A bloop single is now a can-of-corn. There used to be so much more room for a hit to drop in.