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Mile High Champ
09-17-2012, 03:02 PM
Hey guys, Some of you may remember that for the last four years I have conducted a poll at the end of the season that had PSD users vote for the top 10 players at each position. The season is now over and the Heat have been crowned NBA champs which means its time to kick off the off-season player rankings.

A lot has changed since last season. Lebron was labelled by some as Choke Artist in the clutch and now this year had one of the greatest finals performances in recent memory. Let start the discussion since lots has changed since the start of last season. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for two days and than we can carry on to the next best player in the league. I will add more players after each round. I have also included the results of those last 4 years so everyone can see how much things have changed...Enjoy.

REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best

Rules of adding players to the Voting Process

In terms of adding players to the poll, it will be done like this.

As soon as Derrick Rose goes off the board, I will add other PG's.
As soon as Manu Ginobili goes off the board, I will add other SG's
As soon as Dirk Nowitzki goes off the board, I will add other PF's.

And so on and so on..

This is to ensure that players that won their respective positions get a higher place in the list.

Current Player Comparison:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=rosede01&y1=2012&p2=ginobma01&y2=2012&p3=nowitdi01&y3=2012&p4=bynuman01&y4=2012&p5=anthoca01&y5=2012


_____________ Player Season ____ Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1 Carmelo Anthony 2011-12 27 55 1876 21.1 .525 .463 5.4 15.9 10.6 21.0 1.7 1.0 10.8 31.8 106 102 3.7 2.6 6.2 .160
2 Andrew Bynum 2011-12 24 60 2112 22.9 .594 .558 10.6 26.1 18.7 7.4 0.7 4.0 13.9 23.8 112 100 4.8 3.3 8.0 .183
3 Manu Ginobili 2011-12 34 34 792 24.1 .668 .618 2.7 13.9 8.4 30.3 1.6 1.1 16.3 22.7 125 104 3.4 0.9 4.2 .257
4 Dirk Nowitzki 2011-12 33 62 2079 21.7 .564 .495 2.5 20.0 11.3 12.6 1.1 1.2 9.0 29.2 110 103 5.0 2.6 7.6 .175
5 Derrick Rose 2011-12 23 39 1375 23.0 .532 .473 2.1 8.4 5.3 40.3 1.4 1.4 12.9 30.5 112 101 4.1 2.0 6.0 .211

2012 NBA Off-Season Player Rankings

1) Lebron James
2) Kevin Durant
3) Dwight Howard
4) Chris Paul
5) Kobe Bryant
6) Dwyane Wade
7) Kevin Love
8)
9)
10)
11)
12)
13)
14)
15)


2011 Off-Season Best Player Rankings

1) Lebron James
2) Dwight Howard
3) Dwyane Wade
4) Chris Paul
5) Dirk Nowitzki
6) Kobe Bryant
7) Kevin Durant
8) Derrick Rose
9) Deron Williams
10) Carmelo Anthony

2010 Off-Season Best Player Rankings

1) Kobe Bryant
2) Lebron James
3) Dwyane Wade
4) Kevin Durant
5) Chris Paul
6) Dwight Howard
7) Carmelo Anthony
8) Dirk Nowitzki
9) Deron Williams
10) Tim Duncan - Pau Gasol Tie


2009 Off-Season Best Player Rankings

1) Kobe Bryant
2) Lebron James
3) Dwayne Wade
4) Chris Paul
5) Dwight Howard
6) Tim Duncan
7) Dirk Nowitzki
8) Carmelo Anthony
9) Kevin Garnett
10) Brandon Roy

jerellh528
09-17-2012, 03:04 PM
its bynum or carmelo here.

Mile High Champ
09-17-2012, 03:04 PM
Poll will be going to 15 this year instead of the typical 10.


_____________ Player Season ____ Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1 Carmelo Anthony 2011-12 27 55 1876 21.1 .525 .463 5.4 15.9 10.6 21.0 1.7 1.0 10.8 31.8 106 102 3.7 2.6 6.2 .160
2 Andrew Bynum 2011-12 24 60 2112 22.9 .594 .558 10.6 26.1 18.7 7.4 0.7 4.0 13.9 23.8 112 100 4.8 3.3 8.0 .183
3 Manu Ginobili 2011-12 34 34 792 24.1 .668 .618 2.7 13.9 8.4 30.3 1.6 1.1 16.3 22.7 125 104 3.4 0.9 4.2 .257
4 Dirk Nowitzki 2011-12 33 62 2079 21.7 .564 .495 2.5 20.0 11.3 12.6 1.1 1.2 9.0 29.2 110 103 5.0 2.6 7.6 .175
5 Derrick Rose 2011-12 23 39 1375 23.0 .532 .473 2.1 8.4 5.3 40.3 1.4 1.4 12.9 30.5 112 101 4.1 2.0 6.0 .211

Swashcuff
09-17-2012, 03:05 PM
I got Rose here

SaimuKala
09-17-2012, 03:05 PM
Derrick Rose.

JNoel
09-17-2012, 03:06 PM
Poll will be going to 15 this year instead of the typical 10.

Cool.

I'll go with Rose on this one.

Sadds The Gr8
09-17-2012, 03:07 PM
Derrick MVP Rose

douglas
09-17-2012, 03:08 PM
I voted for Derrick Rose because when I think of good active basketball players, I think of Lebron James and Kevin Durant. But I also think of Derrick Rose too because he is also a good active basketball player.

OKC
09-17-2012, 03:12 PM
rose
melo
westbrook

justinnum1
09-17-2012, 03:12 PM
It's rose here.


then dwill then dirk then westy then bynum then melo

Swashcuff
09-17-2012, 03:14 PM
rose
melo
westbrook

There really isn't a single thing Melo did better than Westbrook last season I really can't take him ahead of Westbrook. After Rose goes off the board here the debate is between Westbrook, Dirk and Bynum for me.

Mile High Champ
09-17-2012, 03:15 PM
Give me Manu here. Very underrated by everyone on PSD and I would much rather have him than Rose or Melo. I do however like Dirk here as well. Tough call.

JNoel
09-17-2012, 03:18 PM
I don't like Manu as a player, he is a pretty big flopper, but I do respect his game.

Hawkeye15
09-17-2012, 03:22 PM
went Dirk here. Rose just doesn't get my vote, seeing as he was hurt so much last year, and going into this year, won't even play at least half of the season.

cuttydoesit6
09-17-2012, 03:25 PM
Rose, although id put him as far as #3 when healthy

GREATNESS ONE
09-17-2012, 03:32 PM
Bynum but would take a healthy Rose though.

ManningToTyree
09-17-2012, 03:42 PM
Rose if healthy.

Im_in_Mia_bish
09-17-2012, 03:47 PM
from options available, drose.

Hawkeye15
09-17-2012, 03:49 PM
from options available, drose.

who else would you vote for?

xxplayerxx23
09-17-2012, 04:11 PM
I went Melo, but I believe it will be Rose-Dirk-Westy-Melo-Bynum.

EDUTEXANS
09-17-2012, 04:16 PM
Rose easily IMO. Of course we do't know how he will bounce back from injury, but I believe he will be OK. Healthy he is easily a top-5 player. #8 seems alright at this point.

KB-Pau-DH2012
09-17-2012, 04:19 PM
I voted for Derrick Rose because when I think of good active basketball players, I think of Lebron James and Kevin Durant. But I also think of Derrick Rose too because he is also a good active basketball player.
Sorry to burst your bubble there douglas, but since D.Rose is still injured and on the injured list, technically, that means he's on the inactive list (not dressed for game).

It's okay, there's a first for everything. ;)

LAKERMANIA
09-17-2012, 04:24 PM
I went with Melo, Rose is too injury prone.. It's a shame since I really respect his game..

Oefarmy2005
09-17-2012, 04:25 PM
It's either Dirk, Rose or Melo and I went with Rose since this is the best player rating, not just 2011-2012 and Rose is hands down better than the other two.

Im_in_Mia_bish
09-17-2012, 04:26 PM
who else would you vote for?

oh noone else, the list is kinda falling into place well.
drose def, next option is gonna be tricky tho.. either westbrook or melo imo

justinnum1
09-17-2012, 04:30 PM
oh noone else, the list is kinda falling into place well.
drose def, next option is gonna be tricky tho.. either westbrook or melo imo
melo is not top 10. he is 12-15

Longhornfan1234
09-17-2012, 04:32 PM
Melo is next? Llullz



Westbrook, Rondo, Bynum, and Dirk >> Melo.


Parker and D-Will have a solid case.

Im_in_Mia_bish
09-17-2012, 04:35 PM
melo is not top 10. he is 12-15

yeah but based off of the choices, melo looks to be in top 10. would you vote ginobli, bynum, dirk before melo?

i wouldnt..

i mean i know westbrook is going next..
than maybe rondo.. blah we'll see.

Im_in_Mia_bish
09-17-2012, 04:36 PM
Melo is next? Llullz



Westbrook, Rondo, Bynum, and Dirk >> Melo.


Parker and D-Will have a solid case.

westbrook def,
rondo maybe.

not bynum or dirk tho, sorry.
and i agree about parker n dwill.

mrblisterdundee
09-17-2012, 04:47 PM
went Dirk here. Rose just doesn't get my vote, seeing as he was hurt so much last year, and going into this year, won't even play at least half of the season.

That's a good point, but the fact that Chicago is willing to work around a multi-year injury to line things up with Rose's return is a testament to his value.

xxplayerxx23
09-17-2012, 04:49 PM
Rondo is SOOOOOO overrated on this site holy ****. Rose has this my votes will go Dirk-Westy-Melo-Bynum-Parker

Andrew32
09-17-2012, 04:54 PM
voted for big boy bynum.
2nd best c in the league.
Top 10 in PER.
defensive anchor etc...

Dirka had a bad year and Rose is injured.
Melo still hasn't put it together to where he is consistently a high impact player.

So yea... Bynum all the way even tho he aint winning.

LAKERMANIA
09-17-2012, 04:55 PM
voted for big boy bynum.
2nd best c in the league.
Top 10 in PER.
defensive anchor etc...

Dirka had a bad year and Rose is injured.
Melo still hasn't put it together to where he is consistently a high impact player.

So yea... Bynum all the way even tho he aint winning.

Good points. I'm beginning to second guess my decision. I think I'm going to go Bynum next time..

douglas
09-17-2012, 04:59 PM
Sorry to burst your bubble there douglas, but since D.Rose is still injured and on the injured list, technically, that means he's on the inactive list (not dressed for game).

It's okay, there's a first for everything. ;)

Derrick Rose is active in terms of playing with my emotions. When he was crying during his shoe release event, gosh, I just wanted to hug him and reassure him that everything is going to be okay and that I still live him.

DR_1
09-17-2012, 04:59 PM
People hate on Rose here so much. I just laugh at it now.

Swashcuff
09-17-2012, 05:06 PM
People hate on Rose here so much. I just laugh at it now.

A major reason Rose is as hated as he is however is because of Bulls fans who keeps trying to shove his greatness down our throat. You're one of the posters who are largely responsible for that. No different from the hate Melo has started receiving since joining the Knicks. People don't hate him because he plays for the Knicks they can care less about that they have grown to hate him because of the obnoxious Knicks fans that just can't shut up about hi.

unleashthebeast
09-17-2012, 05:13 PM
Rose here, then Dirk, then Westy/Deron for the next 2, whichever order they were placed in the PG thread.

Kashmir13579
09-17-2012, 05:23 PM
Manu is the best player available right now.

NYKnicks4511
09-17-2012, 05:26 PM
Rose, Melo, Bynum.

NYKnicks4511
09-17-2012, 05:30 PM
Good points. I'm beginning to second guess my decision. I think I'm going to go Bynum next time..

What the poster you quoted didn't mention was the fact that Melo played through injury most of the year (groin, elbow) and wasn't healthy until he won the player of the month award through the playoffs.

NYKnicksAllDay
09-17-2012, 05:32 PM
MELO ALL THE WAY BABY. HE IS THE GOAT. Gonna lead da Knicks to a chip.

NYKnicksAllDay
09-17-2012, 05:33 PM
Manu is the best player available right now.

Man how dare you be insultin' my main man Melo like that. He's the best in the NBA. Durant or Lebron can't hold his jock strap.

LAKERMANIA
09-17-2012, 05:47 PM
What the poster you quoted didn't mention was the fact that Melo played through injury most of the year (groin, elbow) and wasn't healthy until he won the player of the month award through the playoffs.

You bring up a good point as well, however, just as I stated with Rose, it is sad that Melo and Rose both were hurt, however we are voting on ranking the best players based on the last season. I'd rank Melo over Rose. But I completely forgot about Bynum. Bynum had a breakout season last year, He averaged nearly 18 and 12, had a great FG% as well.

KnicksR4Real
09-17-2012, 05:57 PM
rose just tore his acl. he can't be this high coming off an injury like that

Hawkeye15
09-17-2012, 06:47 PM
That's a good point, but the fact that Chicago is willing to work around a multi-year injury to line things up with Rose's return is a testament to his value.

What choice do they have? This isn't football, where you can cast aside a player. Rose is making HUGE money going forward, the Bulls have no choice, nor should they want to, nor can they, choose another player to build around.

Hawkeye15
09-17-2012, 06:49 PM
People hate on Rose here so much. I just laugh at it now.

He missed a good share of games, and tore his ACL in the playoffs, meaning Feb is about as early as we will see him, and anyone who relies on that much athletic ability for his game is probably going to have a wasted season. It is not hate to say Rose won't be a top 10 player this year in the NBA, its reality.

Hawkeye15
09-17-2012, 06:50 PM
How is Melo getting votes? Seriously.

BklynKnicks3
09-17-2012, 06:53 PM
manu lol wtf is wrong with u people he is good but top 20

BklynKnicks3
09-17-2012, 06:54 PM
How is Melo getting votes? Seriously.

because he takes a dump on kevin love hose 2 guys are not on the same level

Hawkeye15
09-17-2012, 06:55 PM
because he takes a dump on kevin love hose 2 guys are not on the same level

oh I know why YOU voted for him, I was asking the rational posters...

NYKnicksAllDay
09-17-2012, 07:17 PM
oh I know why YOU voted for him, I was asking the rational posters...

:laugh2:

JasonJohnHorn
09-17-2012, 07:24 PM
I went with Rose here, though Bynum was deserving. I wouldn't argue with anybody who put Bynum first here. Rose is the better shooter and play maker, he's also better at getting the extra point on a play by picking up a foul, and though Bynum has gotten better at that himself, he doesn't convert that extra point as much because he simply can't shoot free throws. Bynum, obviously the better rebounder here. Rose has the bigger impact on the game for his team and he is the more talented player, but Bynum, I think, will really be coming into his own in Philly next year.

Part of me want to vote for Dirk, but frankly, he really took a step back this season. His FG% and 3PT% dropped and he had his worse rebounding year in 12 years.

Carmelo had a bad year and isn't in the conversation. And as good an Manu is (he's the best shooter on this list easily and is a great player maker for his position, and obviously a great defender to), his scoring average is just too low to put him in the conversation with Bynum (who not only gets more points, but also far more rebounds) and Rose (who not only get more points, but far more assists).

JNoel
09-17-2012, 07:46 PM
oh I know why YOU voted for him, I was asking the rational posters...

:clap:

Jesse2272
09-17-2012, 07:51 PM
Bynum

JNoel
09-17-2012, 07:57 PM
#9 has to either be Bynum or Nowitzki up next.

KB-Pau-DH2012
09-17-2012, 08:02 PM
Hawkeye15 for the win...bang!

ATX
09-17-2012, 08:13 PM
For some reason I felt no one was deserving here, but I went Dirk because Rose will miss half the season, Ginobli is an elite aging sixth man, and Bynum and Anthony are overrated a bit here, then there was Dirk...If Rose proves he can return to his usual form, then it should be him, but missing half the season hurts.

Im_in_Mia_bish
09-17-2012, 09:22 PM
i wont vote for dirk. sorry.

bad year last year for him, he is a gifted offensive player, but in my opinion, melo is better than him.

sorry.

intangibles melo is superior, clutchness melo is obv superior, look up the stats, and shot well.. that depends on who u ask, they both are above average, so the intangibles gives melo the edge. not sure why people are caring what some homer knicks fans say about melo.

ignore them, and vote based on what u honestly think, no bias pls.

Bruno
09-17-2012, 09:25 PM
lets just get rose and his complicated situation off the board.

xxplayerxx23
09-17-2012, 09:37 PM
#9 has to either be Bynum or Nowitzki up next.

I disagree, it has to be Dirk or Westy IMO. I have it Dirk westy- Melo-Bynum-Deron.

Im_in_Mia_bish
09-17-2012, 09:45 PM
westbrook, melo, dirk, bynum

will be my next 4, if options are available to vote, of course.

JNoel
09-17-2012, 10:21 PM
I'm going Bynum, Dirk, Melo, Deron.

Some of you know that I'm not a Westbrook fan, and I prob wouldn't vote for him till #13-15.

unleashthebeast
09-17-2012, 10:55 PM
westbrook, melo, dirk, bynum

will be my next 4, if options are available to vote, of course.

I would love to here your argument on why Melo is better than Dirk because I see no justification for that whatsoever honestly.

Im_in_Mia_bish
09-17-2012, 11:03 PM
I would love to here your argument on why Melo is better than Dirk because I see no justification for that whatsoever honestly.

oh, i posted it earlier.. just scroll the next page i think..

Swashcuff
09-17-2012, 11:05 PM
I would love to here your argument on why Melo is better than Dirk because I see no justification for that whatsoever honestly.

Both players started off piss poor. I really don't know what was Melo's problem but Dirk just seemed to have come into the season under prepared. By the time the season really came into stride Dirk found himself and played a consistently high level of basketball in the last 3 months of the season.

Between the months of February and March Melo barley even averaged better than 17 a game almost didn't shoot 40% from the field and was just starting to play halfway decent defensively. In April however he caught a fire and showed the league what many have been saying for years that a motivated and inspired Carmelo Anthony is one if the league's best players not just scorers. Too bad however that was just for 12 games and not say 25 or so.

Based on consistency I'll give Dirk the nod despite the fact that at times he seemed to be a shell of his former self. Even though he's older and has a rep for being soft he's also still better at his position defensively than Melo is at his even on the rare occasion in which Melo decides to be motivated and play fair to solid D.

I really can't argue Melo over Dirk based on the entirety of last season.

Dade County
09-17-2012, 11:14 PM
How the **** is rose ahead of westbrook... ( the man was injured most of the season BULLS fans! )

I have to go back and read the rules again.

Yes of Course rose would have been top 5 if he played most of the season.

I voted Dirk here.

Swashcuff
09-17-2012, 11:16 PM
How the **** is rose ahead of westbrook... ( the man was injured most of the season BULLS fans! )

I have to go back and read the rules again.

Yes of Course rose would have been top 5 if he played most of the season.

Read the bolded.

Pierzynski4Prez
09-17-2012, 11:18 PM
What the poster you quoted didn't mention was the fact that Melo played through injury most of the year (groin, elbow) and wasn't healthy until he won the player of the month award through the playoffs.

damn dude melo should get a big *** cookie for that

49erGiantLaker
09-17-2012, 11:29 PM
Rose when healthy.

Baller1
09-18-2012, 03:32 AM
Considering Rose's injury, it should be Westbrook going here. But I have PG's rounding out the top 10...

Rose
Westy
Williams

Jesse2272
09-18-2012, 06:42 AM
Both players started off piss poor. I really don't know what was Melo's problem but Dirk just seemed to have come into the season under prepared. By the time the season really came into stride Dirk found himself and played a consistently high level of basketball in the last 3 months of the season.

Between the months of February and March Melo barley even averaged better than 17 a game almost didn't shoot 40% from the field and was just starting to play halfway decent defensively. In April however he caught a fire and showed the league what many have been saying for years that a motivated and inspired Carmelo Anthony is one if the league's best players not just scorers. Too bad however that was just for 12 games and not say 25 or so.

Based on consistency I'll give Dirk the nod despite the fact that at times he seemed to be a shell of his former self. Even though he's older and has a rep for being soft he's also still better at his position defensively than Melo is at his even on the rare occasion in which Melo decides to be motivated and play fair to solid D.

I really can't argue Melo over Dirk based on the entirety of last season.

Good points

I still would go Melo over Dirk just on those brief glimpses of Melo and what he can do

I think he will have a bounce back season next year

Dirk always solid I see taking a step back just MO

Swashcuff
09-18-2012, 09:16 AM
Good points

I still would go Melo over Dirk just on those brief glimpses of Melo and what he can do

I think he will have a bounce back season next year

Dirk always solid I see taking a step back just MO

That's something Melo brings every year and it really frustrates when trying to gauge his worth. I mean the man has so much talent and can really be one of the elite players in the league but he seems as if he just takes big chunks of the season off and then decides to turn it on again.

One month Melo will play like he's not even a top 25 player and the next he'd play like he's a top 5 (still haven't seen him play better than Kevin Durant or LeBron James at their best though). I also don't like the whole Melo was injured argument either seeing that this has been his MO for almost every season he's been in the league.

nycericanguy
09-18-2012, 09:17 AM
Good points

I still would go Melo over Dirk just on those brief glimpses of Melo and what he can do

I think he will have a bounce back season next year

Dirk always solid I see taking a step back just MO

Yep, i'd go with Melo too. Especially considering Dirk will be 35 next year and we're supposed to base this on next year as well.

When Melo was healthy last year he was great for the most part. But he had a long period of time where he played with an injured elbow, back and ankle. He tried to play through it but he was shooting so poorly that eventually NY sat him down and thats when Linsanity came.

But when Melo got back healthy we saw him go on that tear.

With Dirk it was probably him just being a bit tired, but again with him turning 35 next year I think we'll see more of a decline from him. So I'd put Melo above him going forward.

nycericanguy
09-18-2012, 09:20 AM
That's something Melo brings every year and it really frustrates when trying to gauge his worth. I mean the man has so much talent and can really be one of the elite players in the league but he seems as if he just takes big chunks of the season off and then decides to turn it on again.

One month Melo will play like he's not even a top 25 player and the next he'd play like he's a top 5 (still haven't seen him play better than Kevin Durant or LeBron James at their best though). I also don't like the whole Melo was injured argument either seeing that this has been his MO for almost every season he's been in the league.

Melo came into last year a career 46% shooter. He spent most of last year shooting around 39%. As a Knick fan that watched pretty much every game, the injuries were definitely a huge reason for that. Melo didn't all of a sudden turn into a 39% shooter. It actually took him going on a tear to get up to a respectable 43%, but even that was well below his career norm. So I wouldn't say he "does this every year". There was definitively a long stretch of games where Melo simply shouldn't have been playing, but he felt pressured to play, especially with how weak NY's bench was early last year.

Jesse2272
09-18-2012, 09:21 AM
That's something Melo brings every year and it really frustrates when trying to gauge his worth. I mean the man has so much talent and can really be one of the elite players in the league but he seems as if he just takes big chunks of the season off and then decides to turn it on again.

One month Melo will play like he's not even a top 25 player and the next he'd play like he's a top 5 (still haven't seen him play better than Kevin Durant or LeBron James at their best though). I also don't like the whole Melo was injured argument either seeing that this has been his MO for almost every season he's been in the league.

My burden as a Knicks fan

I agree with the whole injury excuse

I need to see something from Melo this season, full training camp coaching stability ton of vets added to the bench

Or It will get difficult for me to support him and hold him out there as top 10 IMO

Swashcuff
09-18-2012, 09:23 AM
Yep, i'd go with Melo too. Especially considering Dirk will be 35 next year and we're supposed to base this on next year as well.

That was completely wrong.


When Melo was healthy last year he was great for the most part. But he had a long period of time where he played with an injured elbow, back and ankle. He tried to play through it but he was shooting so poorly that eventually NY sat him down and thats when Linsanity came.

But when Melo got back healthy we saw him go on that tear.

Healthy or not we see this same thing from Melo every year. Health is not Melo's only concern and IMO not a valid reason.


With Dirk it was probably him just being a bit tired, but again with him turning 35 next year I think we'll see more of a decline from him. So I'd put Melo above him going forward.

This isn't about going forward. MHC clearly states its not about the player who has the potential to be better going forward but rather the player who is the best as of the last season.

Swashcuff
09-18-2012, 09:24 AM
Melo came into last year a career 46% shooter. He spent most of last year shooting around 39%. As a Knick fan that watched pretty much every game, the injuries were definitely a huge reason for that. Melo didn't all of a sudden turn into a 39% shooter. It actually took him going on a tear to get up to a respectable 43%, but even that was well below his career norm. So I wouldn't say he "does this every year". There was definitively a long stretch of games where Melo simply shouldn't have been playing, but he felt pressured to play, especially with how weak NY's bench was early last year.

Tell me something have you watched Melo play his entire career?

nycericanguy
09-18-2012, 09:32 AM
That was completely wrong.



Healthy or not we see this same thing from Melo every year. Health is not Melo's only concern and IMO not a valid reason.



This isn't about going forward. MHC clearly states its not about the player who has the potential to be better going forward but rather the player who is the best as of the last season.

Ok, I'm not judging players based on POTENTIAL, I'm judging based on last year and this year coming up.

If we're only going on last year how did guys like Zbo & Horftford who barely played get voted in? They got voted in because people felt they can bounce back and produce NEXT YEAR.

nycericanguy
09-18-2012, 09:32 AM
Tell me something have you watched Melo play his entire career?

not as closely as I have since he came to NY, I can only tell you that last year he played when he shouldn't have and it clearly affected his shooting.

Jesse2272
09-18-2012, 09:45 AM
Melo showed enough to be in the top 10 argument IMO

Discounting injury you have to factor in the coaching change and loss to significant teammates to injury

Swashcuff
09-18-2012, 09:45 AM
Ok, I'm not judging players based on POTENTIAL, I'm judging based on last year and this year coming up.

If we're only going on last year how did guys like Zbo & Horftford who barely played get voted in? They got voted in because people felt they can bounce back and produce NEXT YEAR.

So because people voted them in made that the correct choice?

Those players got votes because of their track record of being flat out better players. Why would someone vote an injured player from last season as a better player for next year when they don't even know how they are going to bounce back? This is not a prediction that was those posters voting based on the worth understanding of how good those players are.

You think Derrick Rose was voted here because he's going to be better next season? Tim Duncan, Garnett and Kobe Bryant actually moved up the ranks despite getting older in age do you think they were voted where they were because people we predicting them to get better next season?

Swashcuff
09-18-2012, 09:54 AM
not as closely as I have since he came to NY, I can only tell you that last year he played when he shouldn't have and it clearly affected his shooting.

Well he's often injured and honestly I've never seen him play as badly as he did to start last season. For whatever reasons Melo is an extremely "moody" player and when he seems motivated and in a good mood it matters not if he's injured or not he just doesn't seem to give his all. You'll quickly notice this as a Knicks fan as well (provided you keep an open mind). I really can't say that Melo being injured was the only reason for his poor play. I believe that even despite being injured he was capable of playing better than he did.

nycericanguy
09-18-2012, 10:09 AM
Well he's often injured and honestly I've never seen him play as badly as he did to start last season. For whatever reasons Melo is an extremely "moody" player and when he seems motivated and in a good mood it matters not if he's injured or not he just doesn't seem to give his all. You'll quickly notice this as a Knicks fan as well (provided you keep an open mind). I really can't say that Melo being injured was the only reason for his poor play. I believe that even despite being injured he was capable of playing better than he did.

Oh I agree, I'm not a huge Melo fan, but he's on my team and I support him. i didn't vote for him until #8.

That being said, I saw him battling injuries and he clearly wasn't the same player, so I can't just say injuries had nothing to do with him shooting 39%, because we all know Melo is a much better shooter than that.

I think Melo will put it together this year, for once the NY team looks stable all around and they seem more motivated than any other team I've watched over the last decade.

Swashcuff
09-18-2012, 10:18 AM
Oh I agree, I'm not a huge Melo fan, but he's on my team and I support him. i didn't vote for him until #8.

That being said, I saw him battling injuries and he clearly wasn't the same player, so I can't just say injuries had nothing to do with him shooting 39%, because we all know Melo is a much better shooter than that.
I think Melo will put it together this year, for once the NY team looks stable all around and they seem more motivated than any other team I've watched over the last decade.

Wasn't my intention to convey that. Apologies if I didn't make that clear enough. I do agree that Melo being injured had a part to play but the laziness on his part also can't be overlooked. At least in my eyes.

theheatles
09-18-2012, 10:44 AM
Funny that a handful of ppl voting Rose here wanted Dirk to be #1 last year...

TheRunKiller
09-18-2012, 01:11 PM
kevin love at #7 lol

DR_1
09-19-2012, 01:45 PM
He missed a good share of games, and tore his ACL in the playoffs, meaning Feb is about as early as we will see him, and anyone who relies on that much athletic ability for his game is probably going to have a wasted season. It is not hate to say Rose won't be a top 10 player this year in the NBA, its reality.

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