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C-Style
09-10-2012, 01:28 AM
Chris Bosh is adding six pounds of muscle to prepare for the rigors of playing a full season at center.

Bosh’s move to center would allow Erik Spoelstra to play LeBron James more at power forward, giving the Heat mismatch advantages on both ends of the floor.


http://basketball.******.com/wiretap/223414/Bosh_Adding_Weight_To_Play_Center

Munkeysuit
09-10-2012, 01:44 AM
Bosh is also in the gym with a shooting coach, tossing up over 300 3 pointers in practice.
I cannot wait to see how this all pans out, teams will be having a steady dose of Excedrin when they play us.

Toxeryll
09-10-2012, 01:45 AM
heat forum

Johann
09-10-2012, 01:45 AM
Chris Bosh is good at making tough lay ups. When he attempts a lay up, he will sometimes miss it. But most of the time he doesn't miss the lay up; he makes it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Nox9p46teo#t=33s


Bosh will be pushed around as a C.

C-Style
09-10-2012, 01:59 AM
Does that mean that Shard or Allen will start? Howard will kill him

douglas
09-10-2012, 01:59 AM
Now that Chris Bosh is moving to center, I think he will play less at the power forward.

Evolution23
09-10-2012, 02:02 AM
Bosh moved from Power Forward to Center with 6 pounds. Imagine if he added 10 lbs? He might start playing Super Power Forward.

AndyfromNeptune
09-10-2012, 02:06 AM
Defensively teams will be able to go to the basket without regard. Lebron is a great defender but in terms of being a post defender on 6 foot 10 and 6 foot 11 guys, he cannot do it consistently for over 30 minutes.

I'm curious to see how this season works out.

CousinsEvansDUO
09-10-2012, 02:08 AM
Good, heat fans you can look forward to a 7 foot 280 pound monster with 60quickness and 99 inside dunking to destroy chris bosh.

naps
09-10-2012, 02:12 AM
19/10 as a third option. Good move.

C-Style
09-10-2012, 02:12 AM
A lot of teams can penetrate against him, I don't know how this will work out, they did win it all though, so who knows.

--23--
09-10-2012, 02:16 AM
Bosh moved from Power Forward to Center with 6 pounds. Imagine if he added 10 lbs? He might start playing Super Power Forward.

:laugh2:

Avenged
09-10-2012, 02:21 AM
Solid. He's skilled enough to handle it imo. Same with Pau, he actually flourishes at the 5 more than the 4.

Dade County
09-10-2012, 02:22 AM
My hurricanes suck, my dolphins suck, marlins suck ***... all i have in sports right now, are the HEAT.

Mr_Jones
09-10-2012, 02:34 AM
Now that Chris Bosh is moving to center, I think he will play less at the power forward.

I am not so sure. He could play center, but still not play center, too.

3ballbomber
09-10-2012, 03:26 AM
girly mouse in the house

naps
09-10-2012, 03:27 AM
Solid. He's skilled enough to handle it imo. Same with Pau, he actually flourishes at the 5 more than the 4.

Pau at center is tons better than Pau at PF. I always noticed every time Pau played center Lakers looked much better.

Mave1002
09-10-2012, 03:45 AM
Bosh moved from Power Forward to Center with 6 pounds. Imagine if he added 10 lbs? He might start playing Super Power Forward.

Post of the day :D

THE MTL
09-10-2012, 12:28 PM
I like the move. I'm wondering if james will be moved to starting PF and Battier at starting SF? Or keeping James as starting SF and starting Lewis at PF?

JasonJohnHorn
09-10-2012, 12:37 PM
I thought this is why they signed Harrellson.. wtf?!?!?!!? Let Bosh play PF, and Haslem back up at PF and C while Harrellson starts showing the NBA what he can do with 36 minutes of playing times!

HARRELLSON FOR MIP!!!!! I'm calling it now!

sixer04fan
09-10-2012, 12:38 PM
If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Showtime Steve
09-10-2012, 12:39 PM
6lbs?? Thats all it takes?

IndyRealist
09-10-2012, 12:41 PM
Good, heat fans you can look forward to a 7 foot 280 pound monster with 60quickness and 99 inside dunking to destroy chris bosh.

Umm....Is that NBA2k12 or something?

IndyRealist
09-10-2012, 12:43 PM
Ultimately you want to get your best players on the floor for as much time as possible. The Heat centers suck, so by bumping them out of the rotation, they can get their wing players on the court (who are better players). I suspect Battier starts.

D12 fan
09-10-2012, 12:44 PM
Bosh>Dwight

mjm07
09-10-2012, 12:46 PM
This isn't anything new but he's the best big we have. So it'll have to suffice. He should be at least 18ppg and i'm hoping for 10 boards a game. He'll get pushed around sure but other C's will be have their hands full as well.

justinnum1
09-10-2012, 12:46 PM
This isn't anything new but he's the best big we have. So it'll have to suffice. He should be at least 18ppg and i'm hoping for 10 boards a game. He'll get pushed around sure but other C's will be have their hands full as well.

he avg over 10 boards playing center at the end of the year and in the playoffs.

LongIslandIcedZ
09-10-2012, 12:47 PM
He'll struggle on D against Dwight, but besides that it isnt a horrible move.

D12 fan
09-10-2012, 12:49 PM
He'll struggle on D against Dwight, but besides that it isnt a horrible move.

Bosh>Dwight

justinnum1
09-10-2012, 12:52 PM
He'll struggle on D against Dwight, but besides that it isnt a horrible move.

Miami's D is quick enough that we can double dwight and be fine. Dwight's offensive game is overrated.

GiantsSwaGG
09-10-2012, 12:53 PM
Who cares

kdspurman
09-10-2012, 12:58 PM
Literally the same thing was posted last year about Bosh bulking up. Didn't really change his game much, and I don't know if he kept it up last year, so maybe he's just re-doing what he did last year to start the season again?

http://www.bloguin.com/crossoverchronicles/2011-articles/december/chris-bosh-bulks-up.html

therealwd27
09-10-2012, 12:59 PM
Good move..means they will most likely start Rashard at the 4 spread the floor at all times

justinnum1
09-10-2012, 01:00 PM
Who cares

Obviously you, you took the time to post in the thread.

Hawkeye15
09-10-2012, 01:01 PM
Bosh played a ton at center last year, why is this news?

IndyRealist
09-10-2012, 01:02 PM
Miami's D is quick enough that we can double dwight and be fine. Dwight's offensive game is overrated.

The problem is that there are 3 players that constantly need to be double teamed on the Lakers: Nash, Kobe, and Dwight. If you can't play Howard single coverage you're opening yourself up to some of the best shooters in the league. And you're giving Pau Gasol a free pass to abuse Lebron in the paint. If it comes down to a Lakers/Heat Finals, I can see LA clearing out the right side and daring Lebron to guard a 7ft post player without being able to come for a weakside block.

Hawkeye15
09-10-2012, 01:04 PM
The Heat brought in Lewis and Allen, and still have Miller, Battier, and Haslem, not to mention Jones, to find playing time for. The only difference I see is, the Heat have TOLD Bosh he will be playing center this year instead of just playing him at center half his minutes, as they did last year.

Hawkeye15
09-10-2012, 01:06 PM
The problem is that there are 3 players that constantly need to be double teamed on the Lakers: Nash, Kobe, and Dwight. If you can't play Howard single coverage you're opening yourself up to some of the best shooters in the league. And you're giving Pau Gasol a free pass to abuse Lebron in the paint. If it comes down to a Lakers/Heat Finals, I can see LA clearing out the right side and daring Lebron to guard a 7ft post player without being able to come for a weakside block.

why would you double Kobe or Nash? The Heat's recovery speed is the best in the league, and any advantage the Lakers have up front is negated by LeBron's complete dominance over anything they can possibly throw at him.

Besides, a team will adjust to matchups. The Heat will use size in a series against the Lakers, they have no choice. I think this is more about the regular season, and almost no team boasts 2 bad ***** up front.

justinnum1
09-10-2012, 01:09 PM
The problem is that there are 3 players that constantly need to be double teamed on the Lakers: Nash, Kobe, and Dwight. If you can't play Howard single coverage you're opening yourself up to some of the best shooters in the league. And you're giving Pau Gasol a free pass to abuse Lebron in the paint. If it comes down to a Lakers/Heat Finals, I can see LA clearing out the right side and daring Lebron to guard a 7ft post player without being able to come for a weakside block.

Lebron will be fine guarding pau. You are underrating lebrons man defense


Kobe can chuck 20 footers all game, no need to double him. If he makes them, cool, he will probably make them at an inefficient rate as usual.

D12 fan
09-10-2012, 01:11 PM
Miami's D is quick enough that we can double dwight and be fine. Dwight's offensive game is overrated.

:facepalm:

Wrong everybody says Dwight has no offensive moves,if anything he is underrated on offense.You should know this Dwight always dominate Miami in the regular season.

nickdymez
09-10-2012, 01:13 PM
The Lakers should easily beat the Heat. An undersized pf and center playin against the best frontcourt in the game BY FAR.

nickdymez
09-10-2012, 01:15 PM
Lol@ let kobe shoot.

Heater4life
09-10-2012, 01:17 PM
He did the same thing last season. I guess he wants to gain further weight.

Da Knicks
09-10-2012, 01:20 PM
Not a good idea to get the only good big tired before the playoffs but it makes me happy. Lebron at pf would be good for the rest of the league too, i can see miami being a very tired team this season. I love it...

Gram
09-10-2012, 01:21 PM
Chris Bosh.

D12 fan
09-10-2012, 01:25 PM
Chris Bosh.

Stop it son.

Gram
09-10-2012, 01:26 PM
Stop it son.

Stop trying to get away from my playpen. You play with the rest of the kiddies I kidnapped like a good boy.

Heatcheck
09-10-2012, 01:31 PM
:facepalm:

Wrong everybody says Dwight has no offensive moves,if anything he is underrated on offense.You should know this Dwight always dominate Miami in the regular season.

Thats just untrue.

D12 fan
09-10-2012, 01:32 PM
Thats just untrue.

How proof?Stats don't lie.

Gram
09-10-2012, 01:35 PM
How proof?Stats don't lie.

:rolleyes:

SteBO
09-10-2012, 01:37 PM
I don't like this too much in all honesty. I get his rebounding improved at the center position, but over the course of an 82 game regular season it's going to take it's toll and Bosh is not built for being a full-time starting center anyway, don't care how many pounds of muscle he adds. I'll be even more pissed if Battier or LeBron start at PF.....if this is the route we're honestly going to go, then we'd better sign Kenyon Martin or start Lewis at PF if it doesn't work out.

SteBO
09-10-2012, 01:42 PM
Also, Bosh had knee troubles in his final year or the year prior in Toronto because of the added weight.

justinnum1
09-10-2012, 01:42 PM
Not a good idea to get the only good big tired before the playoffs but it makes me happy. Lebron at pf would be good for the rest of the league too, i can see miami being a very tired team this season. I love it...

Lol

Heatcheck
09-10-2012, 01:45 PM
How proof?Stats don't lie.

11-12: 25pts, 12pts, 24pts, 18pts
10-11:19pts, 24pts, 17pts, 14pts
09-10:12pts, 17pts, 7pts, 10pts
08-09:15pts, 22pts, 32pts, 22pts

18ppg vs heat last 4yrs

your right, they dont

diu9leilomo
09-10-2012, 01:46 PM
bad move, bosh cant even post up and getting push around will wear out his fatigue. hes undersize for a PF already, now center? not saying he sucks but just waste of talent. smh....

SteBO
09-10-2012, 01:48 PM
bad move, bosh cant even post up and getting push around will wear out his fatigue. hes undersize for a PF already, now center? not saying he sucks but just waste of talent. smh....
Um he's definitely not undersized for PF......6'11" is borderline 7 ft. In saying that, he'd still get worn out as full-time starting center in this league.

D12 fan
09-10-2012, 01:51 PM
11-12: 25, 12, 24, 18
10-11:19, 24, 17, 14
09-10:12, 17, 7, 10
08-09:15, 22 32, 22

Not very impressive

Some of those games were blowouts before Miami got Lebron,Dwight had to sit out the 2nd half of those games because Orlando blew them out in the 1st half.

Stinkyoutsider
09-10-2012, 01:56 PM
I'm not sure if I would like Bosh playing center full time the entire season if I was a Heat fan? Offensively, it's going to be a big advantage for Bosh. His face up game in the mid/high post is great. Taking other centers off the dribble will be much easier for a guy who can also hit the jumper.

I worry about his work defensively and the boards. I think he showed he can be a very solid defender in the paint last year but with Lebron playing the 4, where is the shot blocking going to come from?

And then there's the fact that Bosh can match up against most centers in the league but what happens when guys like Howard and Bynum come to town? I think the Heat need a full time center with more size, shot blocking, and who can hit an open shot. Bosh is working on his 3 so he can stretch the floor but I would like to see someone bigger to play center full time.

Heatcheck
09-10-2012, 02:01 PM
11-12: 25, 12, 24, 18 W,L,W,L 42min,37min,46min,41min
10-11:19, 24, 17, 14 L,W,L,W 28min (in a loss),38min,48min,44min
09-10:12, 17, 7, 10 L,L,W,W 34min,36min,24min (went 1-7 in thaqt one),35min
08-09:15, 22 32, 22 W,L,W,W 37min,37min,41min,35min

Again, thats just untrue. The Magic are a game over .500 against the heat. Howard played right at his average in min for each season. And in the games with very few minutes, one was a loss, and he played horrible in the other one.

SaimuKala
09-10-2012, 02:03 PM
Lebron will be fine guarding pau. You are underrating lebrons man defense


Kobe can chuck 20 footers all game, no need to double him. If he makes them, cool, he will probably make them at an inefficient rate as usual.

LeBron can't guard Pau when he's posting him up

D12 fan
09-10-2012, 02:05 PM
11-12: 25, 12, 24, 18 W,L,W,L
10-11:19, 24, 17, 14 L,W,L,W
09-10:12, 17, 7, 10 L,L,W,W
08-09:15, 22 32, 22 W,L,W,W

That doesnt explain ****

Why so mad?

RaiderLakersA's
09-10-2012, 02:05 PM
Bosh will be fine...except for when he plays against more physically dominant centers.

Gram
09-10-2012, 02:06 PM
Why so mad?

You got mad at me because of how I post. Why so mad?

ryang
09-10-2012, 02:09 PM
Well we did win the title with him as our center so not really sure why anyone is suprised.. Also when we play the lakers sure they can post up all they want but defensively they will struggle.. Bosh will not play center all year regardless of what you read.. Come playoff time he will and after winning a title with that formula I am fine with it..

KB-Pau-DH2012
09-10-2012, 02:11 PM
Will be interesting to see how it pans out. Not too many prototypical centers left in today's game, so shouldn't be an issue for Jurassic Park.

JordansBulls
09-10-2012, 02:13 PM
So does this mean Lebron will move to PF or does Lewis or Haslem start at PF?

D12 fan
09-10-2012, 02:13 PM
You got mad at me because of how I post. Why so mad?

:cricket:Somebody talk to him,he wants attention.

Heatcheck
09-10-2012, 02:15 PM
11-12: 25, 12, 24, 18 W,L,W,L 42min,37min,46min,41min
10-11:19, 24, 17, 14 L,W,L,W 28min (in a loss),38min,48min,44min
09-10:12, 17, 7, 10 L,L,W,W 34min,36min,24min (went 1-7 in thaqt one),35min
08-09:15, 22 32, 22 W,L,W,W 37min,37min,41min,35min

Again, thats just untrue. The Magic are a game over .500 against the heat. Howard played right at his average in min for each season. And in the games with very few minutes, one was a loss, and he played horrible in the other one.

Hawkeye15
09-10-2012, 02:19 PM
I still find it funny that people are arguing over this. Bosh did play center nearly half his minutes last year. When the Heat run up against big teams, they will obviously play Anthony much more, and slide Bosh to PF. But playing Bosh at center through the regular season when they face teams without monsters down low many nights is not a big deal, he has already done it. Besides, with Bosh's frame, he aint keeping that muscle on once the season starts.

Sometimes you guys get so amped up over the smallest crap.

Heatcheck
09-10-2012, 02:19 PM
All you have to do is man up and get physical, and he turns to ****. His footwork is horrendous and he has no creativity, its all length and athleticism. he just became respectable last year. I remember the year before, i caught him looking at the ball while trying to do a hook shot.

D12 fan
09-10-2012, 02:20 PM
11-12: 25, 12, 24, 18 W,L,W,L 42min,37min,46min,41min
10-11:19, 24, 17, 14 L,W,L,W 28min (in a loss),38min,48min,44min
09-10:12, 17, 7, 10 L,L,W,W 34min,36min,24min (went 1-7 in thaqt one),35min
08-09:15, 22 32, 22 W,L,W,W 37min,37min,41min,35min

Again, thats just untrue. The Magic are a game over .500 against the heat. Howard played right at his average in min for each season. And in the games with very few minutes, one was a loss, and he played horrible in the other one.

Those look like a lot of wins from Orlando?Dwight always dominates Miami,he doesn't have to score to be dominate,he does his damage mostly of defense.

Heatcheck
09-10-2012, 02:21 PM
I still find it funny that people are arguing over this. Bosh did play center nearly half his minutes last year. When the Heat run up against big teams, they will obviously play Anthony much more, and slide Bosh to PF. But playing Bosh at center through the regular season when they face teams without monsters down low many nights is not a big deal, he has already done it. Besides, with Bosh's frame, he aint keeping that muscle on once the season starts.

Sometimes you guys get so amped up over the smallest crap.

Just like last year, been sayin it, he'll forget about that stuff half way through the season and start trying to be a 3pt threat.

SteBO
09-10-2012, 02:22 PM
I still find it funny that people are arguing over this. Bosh did play center nearly half his minutes last year. When the Heat run up against big teams, they will obviously play Anthony much more, and slide Bosh to PF. But playing Bosh at center through the regular season when they face teams without monsters down low many nights is not a big deal, he has already done it. Besides, with Bosh's frame, he aint keeping that muscle on once the season starts.

Sometimes you guys get so amped up over the smallest crap.
It's not even as much Bosh at Center, as much as it is fear over Spo being tempted to play LBJ more minutes at PF. Maybe I'm being too pessimistic here, but the last time Bosh put on that muscle he acquired knee issues. I do expect Bosh to play more minutes there come playoff time though.

Heatcheck
09-10-2012, 02:24 PM
Those look like a lot of wins from Orlando?Dwight always dominates Miami,he doesn't have to score to be dominate,he does his damage mostly of defense.

Your the one that said he had an underrated offensive game and that heat fans should know because he always dominates the Heat.

And by the way it LOOKS like a lot of wins from orlando, but its just a .500 record, not exactly domination.

Hawkeye15
09-10-2012, 02:28 PM
It's not even as much Bosh at Center, as much as it is fear over Spo being tempted to play LBJ more minutes at PF. Maybe I'm being too pessimistic here, but the last time Bosh put on that muscle he acquired knee issues. I do expect Bosh to play more minutes there come playoff time though.

Coaches say this crap all the time. They always fall back on what works, and what they are comfortable with.

D12 fan
09-10-2012, 02:28 PM
Your the one that said he had an underrated offensive game and that heat fans should know because he always dominates the Heat.

And by the way it LOOKS like a lot of wins from orlando, but its just a .500 record, not exactly domination.

We will see who was right and wrong when Miami/Lakers play this year.

ryang
09-10-2012, 02:30 PM
So does this mean Lebron will move to PF or does Lewis or Haslem start at PF?

Lebron will not play PF unless injury happens.. Lewis, Haslem and battier will all get minutes at power forward.. Our lineup changes every game (not really but alot) so anything you read can change game after game..

ryang
09-10-2012, 02:32 PM
We will see who was right and wrong when Miami/Lakers play this year.

There is mis matches across the board for each team.. Right now the Heat are the champs and the favorites..

Heatcheck
09-10-2012, 02:32 PM
We will see who was right and wrong when Miami/Lakers play this year.

see you there

D12 fan
09-10-2012, 02:42 PM
There is mis matches across the board for each team.. Right now the Heat are the champs and the favorites..

I know Miami is the champs in the favorites,no doubt they are the team to beat but LA will pose a huge threat to Miami especially in the frontcourt.

D12 fan
09-10-2012, 02:43 PM
see you there

No doubt should be a epic Finals.:cool:

Jint.
09-10-2012, 02:46 PM
Bosh forum

ryang
09-10-2012, 02:47 PM
I know Miami is the champs in the favorites,no doubt they are the team to beat but LA will pose a huge threat to Miami especially in the frontcourt.

There are only 2 real threats to the Heat.. OKC and the Lakers.. I know.. But we cause problems for them all over the place.. Lets see the lakers play a game first..

C_Mund
09-10-2012, 02:49 PM
Bosh is going to have to learn to play better with his back to the basket. His post moves aren't all that great and usually revolve around shot fakes and fade-aways. Not hating, always been a fan but I don't really like him at the C too much.

KB-Pau-DH2012
09-10-2012, 02:49 PM
No doubt should be a epic Finals.:cool:

Neither team is a "LOCK" to make the Finals.

D12 fan
09-10-2012, 02:49 PM
There are only 2 real threats to the Heat.. OKC and the Lakers.. I know.. But we cause problems for them all over the place.. Lets see the lakers play a game first..

Im not crowning the Lakers champs,im just stating they will be a threat to Miami as Miami will be the same for LA.

D12 fan
09-10-2012, 02:50 PM
Neither team is a "LOCK" to make the Finals.

Who said they were a lock?It's just my prediction.:p

ink
09-10-2012, 02:57 PM
He played C with the Raptors and all he did was complain about it. He's not the answer except in small ball situations.

JC_
09-10-2012, 02:58 PM
Howard will kill him

He's guarded Howard many times before and has been effective. In Toronto when the Raptors would play Orlando.. Bosh and Howard were friends but Bosh would always play extra aggressive against him. I remember seeing how frustrated and angry Howard was one game because Bosh played like they were arch enemies.

ink
09-10-2012, 03:00 PM
Bosh is going to have to learn to play better with his back to the basket. His post moves aren't all that great and usually revolve around shot fakes and fade-aways. Not hating, always been a fan but I don't really like him at the C too much.

You're right about his back to the basket game, which really isn't there. He will still be a PF playing out of position. Miami can afford to do something this ineffective because of their all world power on the perimeter. He's also apparently working on his 3s to stretch the floor so you can see that he's really not going to be that much different than before, very utilitarian super-support player. Besides, he's all they're getting.

ink
09-10-2012, 03:01 PM
He's guarded Howard many times before and has been effective. In Toronto when the Raptors would play Orlando.. Bosh and Howard were friends but Bosh would always play extra aggressive against him. I remember seeing how frustrated and angry Howard was one game because Bosh played like they were arch enemies.

Problem is he can do that because he has the athleticism but he can't sustain the pounding because of the size he gives up. His body starts to break down every season he plays too much C.

JC_
09-10-2012, 03:17 PM
Problem is he can do that because he has the athleticism but he can't sustain the pounding because of the size he gives up. His body starts to break down every season he plays too much C.

Agreed. It also takes away from his offensive game, I'm just saying he can guard Howard if he's put in that situation. I'm sure the coaching staff knows that they can't just plop Bosh at center and have him play tough d against other centers for the whole season.. He probably wouldn't make it till the all star break lol BUT nevertheless he can do a pretty good job against Howard when the time comes.

IndyRealist
09-10-2012, 03:36 PM
why would you double Kobe or Nash? The Heat's recovery speed is the best in the league, and any advantage the Lakers have up front is negated by LeBron's complete dominance over anything they can possibly throw at him.

Besides, a team will adjust to matchups. The Heat will use size in a series against the Lakers, they have no choice. I think this is more about the regular season, and almost no team boasts 2 bad ***** up front.

You have to double Nash. I don't see enough of Mario Chalmers to know for sure if he's up to it, but I doubt he's an elite defender. Nash is impossible to guard, he's equally efficient going left or right, spotting up for 3 or driving to the rim, shooting or passing. The only good way to guard him is to trap him high and hope his teammates aren't smart enough to come to the ball. The only other player in the league with his offensive balance is Manu Ginobili.

Dwayne Wade isn't guarding Kobe one-on-one. It's nothing to do with skill or rep, it's about height. When Kobe can shoot over a shorter defender, he lights it up. Back in the Jim O'Brien era, the Pacers had Kobe locked down for 3 quarters by throwing 6'6" Brandon Rush,6'6" Dahntay Jones, and 6'8" Danny Granger at him. We had the game all but won until our coach, in his infinite wisdom, put 6'3" Jarret Jack on Kobe. Lit. Him. Up. Like the 4th of July. Now I'd be hard pressed to say Kobe is the same player he was 3 years ago, but I still think putting anyone on him single coverage other than a long armed, athletic defender over 6'6" on him is a fatal mistake.

Thing about matchups is that the Heat have unfavorable ones. The whole point of moving Bosh to C full time is because their other C's suck. If the Heat matchup size against the Lakers, they're going to get thwacked by Dwight and Pau. I think their best shot would STILL be an undersized lineup, because then at least you can get outside shooters on the floor.

As for recovery time, it's true. I can't remember which coach described their help and recover defense as "frightening". But the problem with help and recover is that you're distorting the defense, which leaves gaps. If the guy you helped off of moves, you've got to find him quickly or he's wide open. If your teammate moves to cover the off the ball movement, then HIS man is loose and the original helper has to find and recover to a player he wasn't defending 5 seconds ago. If the Heat are so fast they're effectively playing zone, then attack it like a zone.

As for Lebron's man D, he's all-NBA. Against SF's. Not against a 7fter who's one off the most skilled offensive big men of his generation. Guarding a player on the wing relies on speed, length and anticipation, whereas post defense relies on footwork, positioning, and lower body strength. They're not the same skills, at all. And until I see Lebron guarding Pau on the low block, I'm going to refrain from giving him credit for it.

FlashMacker
09-10-2012, 03:52 PM
My hurricanes suck, my dolphins suck, marlins suck ***... all i have in sports right now, are the HEAT.

What about the Rays? It's not Miami but it's still in Florida. They have a good team. They might make a wild card spot

Iggz53
09-10-2012, 03:57 PM
Good, heat fans you can look forward to a 7 foot 280 pound monster with 60quickness and 99 inside dunking to destroy chris bosh.

:laugh::laugh::laugh: gotta love your grip on reality

D2theJ
09-10-2012, 04:05 PM
I'd love to see this lineup in the 4th quarter:

Wade
Allen
Battier
Lebron
Bosh

Heat are gonna be dirtyyyy.

Jint.
09-10-2012, 04:39 PM
Dinosaur forum

Lakerfan In NY
09-10-2012, 04:40 PM
Did I read this right? We're talking about 6 pounds? On Chris Bosh? So that would make him 180-6 pounds? LOL. I can see if your talking about 26 pounds of muscle (that would be impressive) but 6 pounds isn't enough to change anything.

bucketss
09-10-2012, 04:41 PM
Not a good idea to get the only good big tired before the playoffs but it makes me happy. Lebron at pf would be good for the rest of the league too, i can see miami being a very tired team this season. I love it...

lebron will be seeing time at pf like he has done for most of his career hes not moving there permanently.

Hoopsadvocate
09-10-2012, 04:43 PM
He played C with the Raptors and all he did was complain about it. He's not the answer except in small ball situations.

He didnt like playing it too much on the HEAT either just like lebron didnt want to play anything but sf but Coach Spo got both of them to buy into the system and both played extended minutes of those positions in the playoffs.

Once they won the championship they no longer fought it because they saw the results pay off unlike in the Raptors or Cavs.

Only news this article presents to knowledgable HEAT fans is that he is now fully embracing the role and is preparing for it as oppose to just going with it.




To add to what has already been said. Bosh has improved his defense every year while on the HEAT. I rememmber when Pat riley first brought them together he made a comment about what he envisioned each player playing like. He mentioned Lebron with a Magic type role and Bosh with a Kevin Garnett type role.

Luckly Bosh isnt a douche like Garnett but hes slowly getting that defensive mentality we saw it last year in the playoffs when we had him we didnt have to worry about big teams its only when he sat or was injured (ala pacers and beginning of celtics series) that we struggled against big teams.

So that was proof enough for most people to see he can thrive at center.

Hawkeye15
09-10-2012, 04:50 PM
You have to double Nash. I don't see enough of Mario Chalmers to know for sure if he's up to it, but I doubt he's an elite defender.

You don't double a PG unless he is on the drive, and Chalmers is an excellent defender.


Nash is impossible to guard, he's equally efficient going left or right, spotting up for 3 or driving to the rim, shooting or passing.

Can't double him with the rest of the weapons. You can trap him high, that is fine, but you are better off trying to use your best perimeter defender on him.


The only good way to guard him is to trap him high and hope his teammates aren't smart enough to come to the ball. The only other player in the league with his offensive balance is Manu Ginobili.

Again, not even LeBron gets blatant double teams outside, Nash isn't being double teamed 20 feet from the basket.


Dwayne Wade isn't guarding Kobe one-on-one. It's nothing to do with skill or rep, it's about height. When Kobe can shoot over a shorter defender, he lights it up.

This isn't Kobe of 2007 though, he doesn't have the lift or explosiveness he did, and relies on long 2's now. You play him straight up and if he shoots a bunch of long jumpers, unless he is on fire, you have succeeded.


Back in the Jim O'Brien era, the Pacers had Kobe locked down for 3 quarters by throwing 6'6" Brandon Rush,6'6" Dahntay Jones, and 6'8" Danny Granger at him. We had the game all but won until our coach, in his infinite wisdom, put 6'3" Jarret Jack on Kobe. Lit. Him. Up. Like the 4th of July. Now I'd be hard pressed to say Kobe is the same player he was 3 years ago, but I still think putting anyone on him single coverage other than a long armed, athletic defender over 6'6" on him is a fatal mistake.

Totally agree, if it were the Kobe of 2008. He has shown he is not that player anymore in the last 2 years, he just doesn't have the lift and explosiveness.


Thing about matchups is that the Heat have unfavorable ones. The whole point of moving Bosh to C full time is because their other C's suck. If the Heat matchup size against the Lakers, they're going to get thwacked by Dwight and Pau.

So will anyone. That isn't going to change no matter what team guards the Lakers starting frontcourt. But who the hell on the Lakers is checking LeBron? Artest? Please.


I think their best shot would STILL be an undersized lineup, because then at least you can get outside shooters on the floor.

I don't disagree with that notion, and when you get that deep (the finals), you utilize matchups and hot hands anyways.


As for recovery time, it's true. I can't remember which coach described their help and recover defense as "frightening". But the problem with help and recover is that you're distorting the defense, which leaves gaps.

The only guy on the Lakers that scares me when leaving gaps is Nash. The Heat's recovery speed is off the charts, and they morph into easily the best defensive team come playoff time.


If the guy you helped off of moves, you've got to find him quickly or he's wide open. If your teammate moves to cover the off the ball movement, then HIS man is loose and the original helper has to find and recover to a player he wasn't defending 5 seconds ago. If the Heat are so fast they're effectively playing zone, then attack it like a zone.

Oh I know exactly how it works haha, But the Heat do what any great defensive team does, and funnel you into problem areas, and make sure you never get a shot off without pressure. I am not saying the Lakers can possibly be shut down, no chance in hell, but I think the Heat's defense can keep them under check enough for their offense to be just as effective, though different, than the Lakers. I am not so confident in the Lakers defense however. Great anchor, but the defense is getting older, and Nash will see tons of minutes meaning bad for the defense. Westbrook would eat him alive in a series for instance.


As for Lebron's man D, he's all-NBA. Against SF's. Not against a 7fter who's one off the most skilled offensive big men of his generation. Guarding a player on the wing relies on speed, length and anticipation, whereas post defense relies on footwork, positioning, and lower body strength. They're not the same skills, at all. And until I see Lebron guarding Pau on the low block, I'm going to refrain from giving him credit for it.

Why would any reasonable coach have James guard Gasol? I sure as hell wouldn't.

GiantsSwaGG
09-10-2012, 04:50 PM
Lebron will be fine guarding pau. You are underrating lebrons man defense


Kobe can chuck 20 footers all game, no need to double him. If he makes them, cool, he will probably make them at an inefficient rate as usual.

:facepalm:

Hoopsadvocate
09-10-2012, 04:51 PM
and to the whole "dwight will kill bosh" talk, its not like he murdered him this year when yes bosh was the main person guarding dwight. If you have any sort of basketball IQ you should know its rarely a 1 v 1 match up anymore. Our help defense and rotations are one of the best in the league which is why we never struggled against the so called big teams we were suppose to struggle against playing "small" we only did once injuries took place. ANd luckly Bosh is very quick for a guy his size (which i think is why RIley liked him) he will be fine.

I like it because it keeps things interesting, people and especially players need to be challanged. Having the same old roles and routine can sometimes hurt. Lebron added to his game and thrived wade now also plans on adding a more mid range and off the ball game to his repitoire ala Rip/ Ray allen who btw should be a great teacher for this. It could help extend his career and will keep them with new challenges to compete in.

Hawkeye15
09-10-2012, 04:56 PM
Does anyone here really think Spo is letting Bosh guard Dwight? Why would he risk such a valuable player getting into foul trouble that easily? It's as if some of you are projecting finals matchups right now.

Hoopsadvocate
09-10-2012, 04:57 PM
Nobody doubles Nash or Kobe anymore. Especially when you have 3 perimeter players who have won all defensive nba honors.

Wade has done a fine job on Kobe his whole career a againg kobe isnt all of a sudden going to be anymore of a handful. If that by some miracle doesnt work we have the closest thing to a kobe stopper in Shane battier.

If we survived the rondos and westbrooks and d rose in the playoffs im pretty sure we can handle an ageing Steve Nash.

Lebron has guarded pau in the reg season in spurts and done fine and he has covered every position from 1-5 just fine this past year.

Not worried about our defense at all.

ink
09-10-2012, 05:01 PM
He didnt like playing it too much on the HEAT either just like lebron didnt want to play anything but sf but Coach Spo got both of them to buy into the system and both played extended minutes of those positions in the playoffs.

Once they won the championship they no longer fought it because they saw the results pay off unlike in the Raptors or Cavs.

Only news this article presents to knowledgable HEAT fans is that he is now fully embracing the role and is preparing for it as oppose to just going with it.

That said, he just doesn't have the physiology to play a season at C. Hopefully he will be seeing select minutes at the position or he will just break down. As someone else said, 6 additional pounds of muscle is negligible.


To add to what has already been said. Bosh has improved his defense every year while on the HEAT. I rememmber when Pat riley first brought them together he made a comment about what he envisioned each player playing like. He mentioned Lebron with a Magic type role and Bosh with a Kevin Garnett type role.

Luckly Bosh isnt a douche like Garnett but hes slowly getting that defensive mentality we saw it last year in the playoffs when we had him we didnt have to worry about big teams its only when he sat or was injured (ala pacers and beginning of celtics series) that we struggled against big teams.

So that was proof enough for most people to see he can thrive at center.

Bosh suits his role in Miami better than he ever did as the primary option in Toronto. Good to see him buy in and see it work out for him.

Hoopsadvocate
09-10-2012, 05:03 PM
Does anyone here really think Spo is letting Bosh guard Dwight? Why would he risk such a valuable player getting into foul trouble that easily? It's as if some of you are projecting finals matchups right now.

He will let him guard him (def not the whole game though which is what i think ur getting at)

One thing SPo does well is defense. He adjusted to having shane battier guard a guy who was i believe 30+ lbs heavier and 2-3 inches taller in david west. And shane commented that he never guarded pfs before his whole carrier. He did this by a mix of fronting them and forcing the player out of the paint if not having another player hedge between and with our fast rotations it worked out very well.

I believe the same strategy will be used against dwight and of course sometimes just throwing big bodies at him ala henderson or pit or whoever we sign just to tire him a little (not saying they will stop him so to the d howard fanboys reading dont get offended).

And just as he creates that defensive headache when he has to guard bosh out in the perimeter and not just time a shot block but have to watch out for shot fakes and risk getting in foul trouble if he bites as well.

Not to mention the usual foul trouble he gets trying to block or stop wade/james when they drive in the lane so sometimes dwight might not be as big of a factor if he doesnt keep his head in the game and limit his shot block attempts.

5ass
09-10-2012, 05:11 PM
You don't double a PG unless he is on the drive, and Chalmers is an excellent defender.



Can't double him with the rest of the weapons. You can trap him high, that is fine, but you are better off trying to use your best perimeter defender on him.



Again, not even LeBron gets blatant double teams outside, Nash isn't being double teamed 20 feet from the basket.



This isn't Kobe of 2007 though, he doesn't have the lift or explosiveness he did, and relies on long 2's now. You play him straight up and if he shoots a bunch of long jumpers, unless he is on fire, you have succeeded.



Totally agree, if it were the Kobe of 2008. He has shown he is not that player anymore in the last 2 years, he just doesn't have the lift and explosiveness.



So will anyone. That isn't going to change no matter what team guards the Lakers starting frontcourt. But who the hell on the Lakers is checking LeBron? Artest? Please.



I don't disagree with that notion, and when you get that deep (the finals), you utilize matchups and hot hands anyways.



The only guy on the Lakers that scares me when leaving gaps is Nash. The Heat's recovery speed is off the charts, and they morph into easily the best defensive team come playoff time.



Oh I know exactly how it works haha, But the Heat do what any great defensive team does, and funnel you into problem areas, and make sure you never get a shot off without pressure. I am not saying the Lakers can possibly be shut down, no chance in hell, but I think the Heat's defense can keep them under check enough for their offense to be just as effective, though different, than the Lakers. I am not so confident in the Lakers defense however. Great anchor, but the defense is getting older, and Nash will see tons of minutes meaning bad for the defense. Westbrook would eat him alive in a series for instance.



Why would any reasonable coach have James guard Gasol? I sure as hell wouldn't.

I disagree, westbrook either goes for a layup/dunk, shoots it from just above the free throw line or shoots wide open 3s. When you have Howard in the middle his jumpshot from just above the free throw line is less effective cause you can D up on him better. He still sometimes goes for other midrange shots, but he's inconsistent. Very rarely he'll use his inconsistent floater too, but i doubt he'd want to put up a floater against dwight. Even tony parker has trouble scoring floaters against dwight. Rose has always played worse against dwight too.

The Dwight Howard effect will make them a great defensive team, i have no doubt in my mind.

On D, Nelson and Nash are a wash. Kobe is a much better defender than Jrich. Hedo is just walking garbage. Artest is still a very good defender, especially in the play offs. Gasol is a much better defender than Ryan Anderson. He will also give Howard something he never had, another shot blocker.

Hawkeye15
09-10-2012, 05:12 PM
He will let him guard him (def not the whole game though which is what i think ur getting at)

One thing SPo does well is defense. He adjusted to having shane battier guard a guy who was i believe 30+ lbs heavier and 2-3 inches taller in david west. And shane commented that he never guarded pfs before his whole carrier. He did this by a mix of fronting them and forcing the player out of the paint if not having another player hedge between and with our fast rotations it worked out very well.

I believe the same strategy will be used against dwight and of course sometimes just throwing big bodies at him ala henderson or pit or whoever we sign just to tire him a little (not saying they will stop him so to the d howard fanboys reading dont get offended).

And just as he creates that defensive headache when he has to guard bosh out in the perimeter and not just time a shot block but have to watch out for shot fakes and risk getting in foul trouble if he bites as well.

Not to mention the usual foul trouble he gets trying to block or stop wade/james when they drive in the lane so sometimes dwight might not be as big of a factor if he doesnt keep his head in the game and limit his shot block attempts.

You may have Bosh guard him in spots, sure, but I mean that Spo will do what anyone should against Dwight, and that is throw some bodies at him and ask his perimeter defense to make life as difficult as possible on his entrance passers. The doubles will come quick, you don't leave Nash, but you have to impose your defensive gameplan, and not just react to the Lakers.

Hawkeye15
09-10-2012, 05:15 PM
I disagree, westbrook either goes for a layup/dunk, shoots it from just above the free throw line or shoots i wide open 3s.

You disagree with what? That is exactly what Westbrook will do to Nash, exploit him for easy pullups, which he is great at making.


When you have Howard in the middle his jumpshot from just above the free throw line is less effective. He still sometimes goes for other midrange shots, but he's inconsistent. Very rarely he'll use his inconsistent floater too, but i doubt he'd want to put up a floater against dwight.

People acting like Dwight is light years ahead of Bynum on defense here...


Even tony parker has trouble scoring floaters against dwight. Rose has always played worse against dwight too.

Yes, shotblocking centers tend to keep players out of the paint. If the Heat do go small, Dwight will be forced to leave the paint, which is something Spo will do at times.


The Dwight Howard effect will make them a great defensive team, i have no doubt in my mind.

Great? No, not with Nash and their bench, along with Kobe and Artest still being plus defenders, but nothing special.


On D, Nelson and Nash are a wash. Kobe is a much better defender than Jrich. Hedo is just walking garbage. Artest is still a very good defender, especially in the play offs. Gasol is a much better defender than Ryan Anderson. He will also give Howard something he never had, another shot blocker.

Meh, has nothing to do with the Orlando makeup, we are talking about the Lakers makeup. Look, I believe the Lakers are absolutely contenders, I am just reading a bunch of false b.s. in here about potential matchups.

Hoopsadvocate
09-10-2012, 05:16 PM
You may have Bosh guard him in spots, sure, but I mean that Spo will do what anyone should against Dwight, and that is throw some bodies at him and ask his perimeter defense to make life as difficult as possible on his entrance passers. The doubles will come quick, you don't leave Nash, but you have to impose your defensive gameplan, and not just react to the Lakers.

Yea i think were on the same page except i think he might try fronting and hedging a little more than throwing bodies (i realize throwing bodies was the norm against dominant bigs but it also hinders your offense because it would free dwight on defense to help double or roam because the big we throw at him will most likely be very limited offensivley which is why i think he will have bosh guard him more with the strategy i mentioned more than u think).

NYKnicks4511
09-10-2012, 05:17 PM
Good, heat fans you can look forward to a 7 foot 280 pound monster with 60quickness and 99 inside dunking to destroy chris bosh.

First off, lol at your sig, "Post 'em up JaVale!!"

Secondly, this means the Heat are even more dangerous because they can play uptempo the whole game. Not to mention they can tinker with their lineup and either play Ray Allen at the 2, or Lewis at the 3 (Put Wade at the point). Most likely it will be Battier at the 3 though.

Doesn't get easier for the Knicks though. Hopefully Tyson and Amar'e are ready to get to bangin.

Hawkeye15
09-10-2012, 05:17 PM
Yea i think were on the same page except i think he might try fronting and hedging a little more than throwing bodies (i realize throwing bodies was the norm against dominant bigs but it also hinders your offense because it would free dwight on defense to help double or roam because the big we throw at him will most likely be very limited offensivley which is why i think he will have bosh guard him more with the strategy i mentioned more than u think).

The Heat should try and make teams throw over the top, their defenders are plenty fast enough to react and stay at home.

Bosh may guard him plenty, but the second he gets 2 quick fouls, Spo will slide him to PF and bring in Anthony or another body.

5ass
09-10-2012, 05:22 PM
You disagree with what? That is exactly what Westbrook will do to Nash, exploit him for easy pullups, which he is great at making.



People acting like Dwight is light years ahead of Bynum on defense here...



Yes, shotblocking centers tend to keep players out of the paint. If the Heat do go small, Dwight will be forced to leave the paint, which is something Spo will do at times.



Great? No, not with Nash and their bench, along with Kobe and Artest still being plus defenders, but nothing special.



Meh, has nothing to do with the Orlando makeup, we are talking about the Lakers makeup. Look, I believe the Lakers are absolutely contenders, I am just reading a bunch of false b.s. in here about potential matchups.

What i dont get is why you think they wont be a great defensive team when he was able to transform a bunch of bad defenders into a top 5 defensive team for the past few years.
Dwight is light years ahead of Bynum on defense. Bynum is so lazy and inconsitent. Dwight is light years ahead of Bynum at guarding the pick n roll and transition defense.

Hawkeye15
09-10-2012, 05:33 PM
What i dont get is why you think they wont be a great defensive team when he was able to transform a bunch of bad defenders into a top 5 defensive team for the past few years.
Dwight is light years ahead of Bynum on defense. Bynum is so lazy and inconsitent. Dwight is light years ahead of Bynum at guarding the pick n roll and transition defense.

I don't think they will be a great defensive team because their perimeter and bench are not consistent defenders. The Magic weren't more than a middle 1/3 defensive team last year, but years prior, that had a good defensive scheme for sure, and teams were afraid to attack the paint. The Heat will attack regardless, the Thunder don't need to. You are selling short some of Dwight's defensive help in Orlando. Not many good individiual defenders, but a great team defense. Can Brown do the same? We will see.

I don't buy that Dwight is that much better a defender than a motivated Bynum, which is what you get come playoff time.

5ass
09-10-2012, 05:40 PM
I don't think they will be a great defensive team because their perimeter and bench are not consistent defenders. The Magic weren't more than a middle 1/3 defensive team last year, but years prior, that had a good defensive scheme for sure, and teams were afraid to attack the paint. The Heat will attack regardless, the Thunder don't need to. You are selling short some of Dwight's defensive help in Orlando. Not many good individiual defenders, but a great team defense. Can Brown do the same? We will see.

I don't buy that Dwight is that much better a defender than a motivated Bynum, which is what you get come playoff time.

Like when he got lit up by Javale McGee in games 2 and 4 of the play offs just because Bynum wasnt hustling in transition?

D12 fan
09-10-2012, 06:04 PM
I don't think they will be a great defensive team because their perimeter and bench are not consistent defenders. The Magic weren't more than a middle 1/3 defensive team last year, but years prior, that had a good defensive scheme for sure, and teams were afraid to attack the paint. The Heat will attack regardless, the Thunder don't need to. You are selling short some of Dwight's defensive help in Orlando. Not many good individiual defenders, but a great team defense. Can Brown do the same? We will see.

I don't buy that Dwight is that much better a defender than a motivated Bynum, which is what you get come playoff time.

Well said,Dwight is much better on defense than Bynum.Bynum doesn't play good pick n roll defense Dwight is great at pick n roll defense.He will stay with Westbrook a lot more than Bynum could because he has quicker feet and more faster/athletic than Bynum.Dwight made Orlando a top defense in the NBA with no other other defenders on his team.Now put him with Metta/Kobe both will be motivated LA will be a top defense for sure this year.

Im sorry Hawkeye I have to disagree with you on this one,you still are the best mod on PSD though.:rock:

Gritz
09-10-2012, 06:16 PM
Adding 6 pounds so he can weigh 146 lbs

Gritz
09-10-2012, 06:17 PM
I don't think they will be a great defensive team because their perimeter and bench are not consistent defenders. The Magic weren't more than a middle 1/3 defensive team last year, but years prior, that had a good defensive scheme for sure, and teams were afraid to attack the paint. The Heat will attack regardless, the Thunder don't need to. You are selling short some of Dwight's defensive help in Orlando. Not many good individiual defenders, but a great team defense. Can Brown do the same? We will see.

I don't buy that Dwight is that much better a defender than a motivated Bynum, which is what you get come playoff time.

lol

MrfadeawayJB
09-10-2012, 06:19 PM
Dont know how much 6 lbs will help him but whatev

Quietmoney
09-10-2012, 06:56 PM
People forgot Bosh tried this before and his numbers took a major hit.

justinnum1
09-10-2012, 07:04 PM
People forgot Bosh tried this before and his numbers took a major hit.

:facepalm:

He avg like 15/11 at the end of the season playing center

SteBO
09-10-2012, 07:05 PM
People forgot Bosh tried this before and his numbers took a major hit.
It actually didn't. He averaged around 24 and 11 but his body just wore down after a while. But this is nothing compared to why he tried to do back then imo, unless a Toronto fan could enlighten me otherwise since I hadn't followed Bosh enough to really know....

TopsyTurvy
09-10-2012, 07:24 PM
A good move for the team and possibly for Bosh. There's no foreseeable help coming from the roster and Miami's front office has basically conceded any possibility of drafting a relevant big with a late first round pick, so they ask Bosh to bulk up to deal with some of the other bigs in the league.

Losoway
09-10-2012, 09:16 PM
man the heat are gonna be so scary next season


Lebron - bosh with muscles - Wade - Ray allen

2 peat

Losoway
09-10-2012, 09:19 PM
:facepalm:

He avg like 15/11 at the end of the season playing center

and was beasting in the playoffs when they put him on garnett

D12 fan
09-10-2012, 09:20 PM
man the heat are gonna be so scary next season


Lebron - bosh with muscles - Wade - Ray allen

2 peat

Losoway<DoMeFavors

NBA-GMaster
09-10-2012, 09:28 PM
If he can retain his speed and quickness.. Say Hello to the new no1. center..

ink
09-10-2012, 09:48 PM
It actually didn't. He averaged around 24 and 11 but his body just wore down after a while. But this is nothing compared to why he tried to do back then imo, unless a Toronto fan could enlighten me otherwise since I hadn't followed Bosh enough to really know....

That's exactly what happened with Bosh in Toronto. He had to play C there and didn't like it. They spent several seasons desperately trying to relieve him from the pounding he had to take playing out of position, that's why they brought in Jermaine O'Neal. Basically Bosh has a weak back to the basket game and gives up too much size and toughness to many of the Cs of the league. However he's extremely athletic and quick and for short periods he can be amazing in the role. As you say, he will break down, which is exactly what happened every year in Toronto they (mis)used him at C. I have a feeling Spo and Riley are well aware that they can't overuse him there, so they should pace his usage at C and he should do well. Like I said, in bursts he can be phenomenal based on pure speed, athleticism, and guile.

LBJ SON
09-10-2012, 10:18 PM
People forgot Bosh tried this before and his numbers took a major hit.

He played center in the finals.. It worked out just in case you were wondering.

SteBO
09-10-2012, 10:47 PM
That's exactly what happened with Bosh in Toronto. He had to play C there and didn't like it. They spent several seasons desperately trying to relieve him from the pounding he had to take playing out of position, that's why they brought in Jermaine O'Neal. Basically Bosh has a weak back to the basket game and gives up too much size and toughness to many of the Cs of the league. However he's extremely athletic and quick and for short periods he can be amazing in the role. As you say, he will break down, which is exactly what happened every year in Toronto they (mis)used him at C. I have a feeling Spo and Riley are well aware that they can't overuse him there, so they should pace his usage at C and he should do well. Like I said, in bursts he can be phenomenal based on pure speed, athleticism, and guile.
It will and should depend on the matchups. That's why I have such an issue with him being a full-time starting center, because against some teams it's fine but against others it's a bad idea. Honestly, I'd rather us just play him more center minutes in the playoffs just for the sake of getting our better players more minutes at other positions, but for the duration of an 82 game regular season, heck no. Play him at the 4 and keep LeBron and Battier at SF spots.

ldawg
09-11-2012, 12:52 AM
The key is not Bosh its Lebron. The key is not to bang its to run spread the floor with shooters. Who will get plenty open looks from lebron drive and kick. One of the reason D wade is also working on being a better shooter. Bosh is a very good shooter and can take his man so he will draw his defender out the paint and take his man when needed. That will put Lebron in post position that he has worked on. Miami is playing the new era ball that is not design for slow banging centers. The Key to beating Miami is to try and slow the game down and stop penetration. That is not a easy task with the shooters they have playing small ball. On defense this is where the needed muscle will come into play against Bynum, Howard, Marc, etc. How ever that will be team defense they will double early making them pass. They will be quick enough to recover. For the bigger teams expect to see Joel if the other team gets to take advantage of their size and slow them down.

heyman321
09-11-2012, 08:33 AM
He tried this with the Raptors and then started *****ing that he was taking too much a pounding, and he pretty much burnt out 2nd half of the season.

Hoopsadvocate
09-11-2012, 08:38 AM
He tried this with the Raptors and then started *****ing that he was taking too much a pounding, and he pretty much burnt out 2nd half of the season.

He also tried it with the heat in the playoffs and end of the season and won a championship. Hes buying into it now! In Toronto he didn't have help to releave some of that burden.

nickdymez
09-11-2012, 09:22 AM
and was beasting in the playoffs when they put him on garnett

Garnett isnt a true center anymore actually.

Heatcheck
09-11-2012, 09:49 AM
Problem is he can do that because he has the athleticism but he can't sustain the pounding because of the size he gives up. His body starts to break down every season he plays too much C.

he's ten pounds lighter than howard, not exactly a beating.

Tumstock
09-11-2012, 10:22 AM
he's ten pounds lighter than howard, not exactly a beating.

Snoop Bosh is a sissy *****! even if he adds 25 lbs he will get pushed around..

Heatcheck
09-11-2012, 10:42 AM
as long as the D is effective, i could care less if he gets pushed around.

My point is its not like he's going to take a physical pummeling.

ink
09-11-2012, 02:46 PM
he's ten pounds lighter than howard, not exactly a beating.
The two of them are listed in various places as both being 6'11". Bosh is listed as 235, Howard is listed at 265. There are articles talking about Bosh wanting to put on 20 pounds. He has put on 6 pounds.

I watched him play in Toronto at between 230-245 (when he really bulked up one year). By the end of the season he was battered, injured, and had lost the weight he had gained.

There are positives to this strategy but he's a lean body type and that's not going to change much.

ink
09-11-2012, 02:49 PM
He also tried it with the heat in the playoffs and end of the season and won a championship. Hes buying into it now! In Toronto he didn't have help to releave some of that burden.

Playoffs don't last 82 games.

ink
09-11-2012, 02:52 PM
Snoop Bosh is a sissy *****! even if he adds 25 lbs he will get pushed around..

I actually agree. It's for good reason that players like KG and Shaq mock his intensity. Great finesse player and his skill will get him through a lot but he doesn't have the consistent drive, size, sustained intensity, or back to the basket skills to really go toe-to-toe with bonafide 5's. Lucky for him, there aren't as many bonafide 5's playing the position any more.

GiantsSwaGG
09-11-2012, 02:55 PM
and was beasting in the playoffs when they put him on garnett

Garnett isn't a true center thou

smith&wesson
09-11-2012, 03:07 PM
bosh cant gaurd bynum or howard .. they will have to make adjustments in the playoffs.

smith&wesson
09-11-2012, 03:14 PM
also bosh gained 30 pounds in one off season and looked bulked up. he lost all the weight through the duration of the season.

smith&wesson
09-11-2012, 03:16 PM
I actually agree. It's for good reason that players like KG and Shaq mock his intensity. Great finesse player and his skill will get him through a lot but he doesn't have the consistent drive, size, sustained intensity, or back to the basket skills to really go toe-to-toe with bonafide 5's. Lucky for him, there aren't as many bonafide 5's playing the position any more.

true. . but i see them still running in to trouble if miami plays the 76ers in the playoffs or the lakers in the finals.

they will need to adjust because howard and bynum will just have their way with him in the paint.

Losoway
09-11-2012, 03:26 PM
Garnett isn't a true center thou

doesnt matter... at this age garnett is better suited at the 5 position.

chris bosh changed the whole game when he came back in the celtics series

ink
09-11-2012, 03:36 PM
doesnt matter... at this age garnett is better suited at the 5 position.

chris bosh changed the whole game when he came back in the celtics series

Not because he's good 1on1 as a C, because he spreads the D and gives Wade and LBJ room to work. Besides, KG is working at about 65% of what he used to be when he mopped the floor with Bosh.

mrblisterdundee
09-11-2012, 03:37 PM
This does look like an interesting line-up:

PG - Dwayne Wade
SG - Ray Allen
SF - Rashard Lewis
PF - LeBron James
C - Chris Bosh

Then you still have a capable point guard in Mario Chalmers coming off the bench; Shane Battier's an elite defender off the bench; and James Jones is ready to come in and knock down threes in crunch time.
I will greatly enjoy, however, watching Bosh get posterized on a regular basis.

GiantsSwaGG
09-11-2012, 03:47 PM
doesnt matter... at this age garnett is better suited at the 5 position.

chris bosh changed the whole game when he came back in the celtics series

Doesn't matter, Bosh created spacing which was the Heats biggest weakness when bosh got hurt. Garnett is not even half of the defender at the stage of his career when he once was. If this was Garnett in 07, the heat wouldn't have stand a chance and bosh would of gotten embarrassed.

Munkeysuit
09-11-2012, 03:57 PM
Bosh ain't the best option at Center, but what do we know? we just occupy sites like these, while the real professionals make real decisions to win it all...and they did...with Bosh at Center...

Raph12
09-11-2012, 06:14 PM
Have fun rebounding against the Dwight-Pau combo...

ink
09-11-2012, 06:19 PM
Have fun rebounding against the Dwight-Pau combo...

That is going to be the most exciting front court ever.

SteBO
09-11-2012, 06:24 PM
Have fun rebounding against the Dwight-Pau combo...
Miami will adjust accordingly....they've done it before and rebounding falls under the heart and hustle department. You can't teach size, yes, but that's not the end all be all in that category.

dwadefan45
09-11-2012, 09:18 PM
:facepalm:

Wrong everybody says Dwight has no offensive moves,if anything he is underrated on offense.You should know this Dwight always dominate Miami in the regular season.

Do you win championships in the regular season?

Gram
09-12-2012, 12:08 AM
Good, heat fans you can look forward to a 7 foot 280 pound monster with 60quickness and 99 inside dunking to destroy chris bosh.

Look out Miami fans, CousinsEvansDuo wants to play you guys on 2K13. :laugh:

kenzo400
09-12-2012, 12:13 AM
Chris Bosh is good at making tough lay ups. When he attempts a lay up, he will sometimes miss it. But most of the time he doesn't miss the lay up; he makes it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Nox9p46teo#t=33s


Bosh will be pushed around as a C.

Interesting. But i just want to get something clear, is he good at making lay ups?

Raph12
09-12-2012, 05:06 PM
Miami will adjust accordingly....they've done it before and rebounding falls under the heart and hustle department. You can't teach size, yes, but that's not the end all be all in that category.

No player is more tenacious on the glass than Dwight (in today's league; maybe KLove), throw in Pau's length and fundamentals and you got a deadly rebounding duo... I can't see the Heat trying to go small against the Lakers, Dwight alone averaged 20-20 against them last season.

KNICKS R BACK
09-12-2012, 05:23 PM
in other news...i missed kevin durants big shot because i was busy playing doodle jump

KNICKS R BACK
09-12-2012, 05:25 PM
there are about 10 people on this board that are always upset, i refer to them as the butthurt bunch

dh144498
09-12-2012, 05:34 PM
Bosh will attempt more 3's than Kobe will next season.

SteBO
09-12-2012, 08:04 PM
No player is more tenacious on the glass than Dwight (in today's league; maybe KLove), throw in Pau's length and fundamentals and you got a deadly rebounding duo... I can't see the Heat trying to go small against the Lakers, Dwight alone averaged 20-20 against them last season.
I'm not saying Miami will or won't outrebound the Lakers in any given game, but that's not necessarily going to be a deciding factor in a playoff series should it happen. Besides, Miami can hold their own.....they've shown it.

Raph12
09-13-2012, 02:56 PM
I'm not saying Miami will or won't outrebound the Lakers in any given game, but that's not necessarily going to be a deciding factor in a playoff series should it happen. Besides, Miami can hold their own.....they've shown it.

They've never played against a team like the Lakers, if healthy, I can't see anyone beating the Lakeshow in 7 games... Oh and for the record, outrebounding your opponent is very key in any playoffs series.

ink
09-13-2012, 03:01 PM
I'm not saying Miami will or won't outrebound the Lakers in any given game, but that's not necessarily going to be a deciding factor in a playoff series should it happen. Besides, Miami can hold their own.....they've shown it.

They've held their own largely on the sheer athleticism of two players. I don't think they faced any team that was as deep or talented as the Lakers, especially in the frontcourt. Pau and Howard? That's going to be cruel for a lot of teams. That much skill and physical dominance together? The Thunder were not impressive in the finals at all IMO. I'd say they were even jaw droppingly bad with little from Durant except 3s and jumpshots, and far too many futile drives from Westbrook.

KB-Pau-DH2012
09-13-2012, 03:04 PM
Do you win championships in the regular season?

No, according to you guys, championships are won when you form a big 3 and have a premature championship celebration the day after.

SteBO
09-13-2012, 03:56 PM
They've never played against a team like the Lakers, if healthy, I can't see anyone beating the Lakeshow in 7 games... Oh and for the record, outrebounding your opponent is very key in any playoffs series.
I probably should've said "the" deciding factor, though I never said it isn't a key factor, so I don't know where you got that from. Miami has their own way of combating size which has been put on display for a couple of years now....the Lakeshow would be trouble for MIA no doubt, but that goes both ways and it isn't up for debate.

SteBO
09-13-2012, 04:18 PM
They've held their own largely on the sheer athleticism of two players. I don't think they faced any team that was as deep or talented as the Lakers, especially in the frontcourt. Pau and Howard? That's going to be cruel for a lot of teams. That much skill and physical dominance together? The Thunder were not impressive in the finals at all IMO. I'd say they were even jaw droppingly bad with little from Durant except 3s and jumpshots, and far too many futile drives from Westbrook.
Yes, and the Miami defense had a lot to do with how unimpressive the Thunder were. Nobody has faced a front court like the Lakers, though I really do think posters here have made Howard out to be a Center who's light years better than Bynum, which to me is flat out wrong but that's neither here nor there.

How Dwight will be utilized, and how consistent Pau Gasol can be will decide the Lakers fate and Nash is going to be the guy who decides how it all comes to fruition. The edge they will have in rebounding currently isn't any different from the edge they've enjoyed in that department for the past 4 years.

Gibby23
09-13-2012, 04:28 PM
Yes, and the Miami defense had a lot to do with how unimpressive the Thunder were. Nobody has faced a front court like the Lakers, though I really do think posters here have made Howard out to be a Center who's light years better than Bynum, which to me is flat out wrong but that's neither here nor there.

How Dwight will be utilized, and how consistent Pau Gasol can be will decide the Lakers fate and Nash is going to be the guy who decides how it all comes to fruition. The edge they will have in rebounding currently isn't any different from the edge they've enjoyed in that department for the past 4 years.

Bynum has his off days and isn't the defender Howard is. He will go out and get 15 reb one game then come back with a 7 reb game.

Stress
09-13-2012, 04:39 PM
heard this before.
like every year.

jchase3
09-13-2012, 04:55 PM
Advantages on both ends of the floor? So Bosh is going to create a mismatch with Dwight Howard? No.

BallIsAll
09-13-2012, 08:00 PM
Why does this belong in the nba forum. I'll make a gallinari starting small forward thread and it'll have just as much relevance as this thread does on this forum.

C-Style
09-13-2012, 08:02 PM
Why does this belong in the nba forum. I'll make a gallinari starting small forward thread and it'll have just as much relevance as this thread does on this forum.

That's cause Nuggets are irrelevant.

C-Style
09-13-2012, 08:07 PM
Yes, and the Miami defense had a lot to do with how unimpressive the Thunder were. Nobody has faced a front court like the Lakers, though I really do think posters here have made Howard out to be a Center who's light years better than Bynum, which to me is flat out wrong but that's neither here nor there.

How Dwight will be utilized, and how consistent Pau Gasol can be will decide the Lakers fate and Nash is going to be the guy who decides how it all comes to fruition. The edge they will have in rebounding currently isn't any different from the edge they've enjoyed in that department for the past 4 years.

Defnsivly is not close, Dwight is athletic and is lightyears better than Bynum in Pick n Roll defense.

C-Style
09-13-2012, 08:20 PM
U gonna see this all day bro! rolol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5CLb4hOsS0

bucketss
09-13-2012, 08:31 PM
U gonna see this all day bro! rolol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5CLb4hOsS0

wait is that the same game bosh dropped 40 on him?

C-Style
09-13-2012, 08:40 PM
wait is that the same game bosh dropped 40 on him?

On him!? hahaha! Didn't know Dwight's Jersey said Lewis, Gortat & Battie on the back!!!


:laugh2: Bosh really put a number on Dwight, dropped 6 pts on him, AMAZING!

MTL_123
09-13-2012, 08:53 PM
On him!? hahaha! Didn't know Dwight's Jersey said Lewis, Gortat & Battie on the back!!!


:laugh2: Bosh really put a number on Dwight, dropped 6 pts on him, AMAZING!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT__LN7Sj7Q

:eyebrow: not hard to find a video

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: 40pts and 18rebs

bucketss
09-13-2012, 08:55 PM
On him!? hahaha! Didn't know Dwight's Jersey said Lewis, Gortat & Battie on the back!!!


:laugh2: Bosh really put a number on Dwight, dropped 6 pts on him, AMAZING!

my memory is foggy but pretty sure bosh played center mostly in toronto and dwight guarded him in most of their matchups.

MTL_123
09-13-2012, 08:57 PM
my memory is foggy but pretty sure bosh played center mostly in toronto and dwight guarded him in most of their matchups.

lol watch the video i posted it just shut that troll up hes not gonna come back:D

ink
09-13-2012, 08:58 PM
my memory is foggy but pretty sure bosh played center mostly in toronto and dwight guarded him in most of their matchups.

Like I said earlier in the thread, Bosh can be spectacular in short bursts. His problem is trying to sustain that over a season and trying to keep his slender frame from breaking down.

But then again, now that he's added 6 whole pounds of muscle everything should be fine. :p

Heater4life
09-13-2012, 09:02 PM
They've never played against a team like the Lakers, if healthy, I can't see anyone beating the Lakeshow in 7 games... Oh and for the record, outrebounding your opponent is very key in any playoffs series.

Of course you cant, they havent even played a game.

Lets see how the Lakers play against small ball.

ink
09-13-2012, 09:25 PM
Of course you cant, they havent even played a game.

Lets see how the Lakers play against small ball.

Doubt that will be much of a problem with Nash, Kobe, and Pau for starters. That's not too shabby.

Byronicle
09-13-2012, 09:26 PM
When Bosh had career numbers with the Raptors, he was basically the Center and he gained muscle to play that position

This was his contract season, but from what I remember, with the added weight he plays more in the post which is what the Heat need

Marlin234
09-14-2012, 06:43 PM
No, according to you guys, championships are won when you form a big 3 and have a premature championship celebration the day after.

Still crying abou that bro? Here's a Kleenex

Blazers#1Fan
09-14-2012, 07:00 PM
Bosh is also in the gym with a shooting coach, tossing up over 300 3 pointers in practice.
I cannot wait to see how this all pans out, teams will be having a steady dose of Excedrin when they play us.

Excedrin got recalled and could go out of business

But on the heat bosh at center is a smart move until they play LA or philly bosh cant stop bynum or howard he needs to work on his blocks he hasnt been a big blocker since toronto or ever heat need to find a decent center maybe chalmers future first for somebody or offer shaq a contract n get him out of retirment just to have a big an his year could of helped him as long as everybody sets the bosh rupaul and lebron an shaq stuff that happened hell if i was MIA id get shaq and iverson n get rid of the crappy guys just for shlts n gigs

Shaq/bosh & anthony
Bosh/lewis
Lebron/battier
Wade/ray/miller/iverson
Chalmers/iverson & high top fade kid forgot his name

C-Style
09-14-2012, 07:25 PM
lol watch the video i posted it just shut that troll up hes not gonna come back:D

6 points were on Dwight, ******! :facepalm:

GREATNESS ONE
09-14-2012, 07:45 PM
Llullz

_KB24_
09-14-2012, 08:13 PM
He's most effective when used on the high-post. His jumper and his quickness are amazing for his size, don't know why they would play him as a C for the regular season. All they really need is a banger/brawler type center down low to get boards and provide toughness. Bosh doesn't fit that.

justinnum1
09-14-2012, 08:36 PM
He's most effective when used on the high-post. His jumper and his quickness are amazing for his size, don't know why they would play him as a C for the regular season. All they really need is a banger/brawler type center down low to get boards and provide toughness. Bosh doesn't fit that.

Problem with that is no one guards players like that. Miami needs spacing, we saw what happend in the playoffs when miami had spacing.

Blazers#1Fan
09-14-2012, 08:56 PM
my memory is foggy but pretty sure bosh played center mostly in toronto and dwight guarded him in most of their matchups.

No bargs played center bosh played pf aldridge vs bosh(toronto) was fun to watch i use to like bosh then he went to miami an cut his hair now hes lame

C-Style
09-14-2012, 09:00 PM
Still crying abou that bro? Here's a Kleenex

16 rings, ARE U MAD???:eyebrow:

Blazers#1Fan
09-14-2012, 09:05 PM
6 points were on Dwight, ******! :facepalm:

Not in that guys eyes lol

Bosh cant stick with top centers only reason he's playing it is to spread the floor thats why hes in the gym shooting 3's if they were smart theyd have him shooting a 1000 thats what ray allen and reggie miller do/did would be sick if he was a knock down shooter ray allen,wade,lebron,lewis,miller,battier theyd shoot the lights out i think that team is gonna be hard to beat i think theyll have a top5 win record wont beat the bulls record but could come close imagine if kg went there i kinda wish he did

faridk89
09-14-2012, 09:07 PM
Why is this here and not in the heat forum? Heat are going to get smashed by the lakers this year, bosh on Howard LOLLLLL ... let the hate roll!

Blazers#1Fan
09-14-2012, 09:10 PM
16 rings, ARE U MAD???:eyebrow:

How many of those rings were you to able to watch 5

Funny how people talk rings when the commish hands LA players and 90% of lakers fans are bandwagon fans true fact just like 90% of miami fans

Imma call real lakers and miami fans 10%ers

koreancabbage
09-14-2012, 09:12 PM
well OKC's problem was that their bigs couldn't score or guard perimeter based players. Perkins was useless defensively and at times, Ibaka as well. They gonna guard Lebron and Bosh on defense? good luck. opens up the middle of the defense floor when that happens and thats Miami's strength b/c Wade and Lebron are great at getting in the paint.

koreancabbage
09-14-2012, 09:12 PM
Why is this here and not in the heat forum? Heat are going to get smashed by the lakers this year, bosh on Howard LOLLLLL ... let the hate roll!

hehe yup. its gonna be a good season.

Blazers#1Fan
09-14-2012, 09:14 PM
Why is this here and not in the heat forum? Heat are going to get smashed by the lakers this year, bosh on Howard LOLLLLL ... let the hate roll!

Lakers have no depth miamis gonna win off depth name a bench laker who is good without going and looking

koreancabbage
09-14-2012, 09:15 PM
How many of those rings were you to able to watch 5

Funny how people talk rings when the commish hands LA players and 90% of lakers fans are bandwagon fans true fact just like 90% of miami fans

Imma call real lakers and miami fans 10%ers

who cares market does better when there are bandwagon fans ;)

Dade County
09-14-2012, 09:21 PM
How many of those rings were you to able to watch 5

Funny how people talk rings when the commish hands LA players and 90% of lakers fans are bandwagon fans true fact just like 90% of miami fans

Imma call real lakers and miami fans 10%ers

lol.... Nice one

How would you know who is areal HEAT/Laker fan.... Joined PSD date:confused:

People are forgetting the real problem for teams are Wade & Lbj... Laker fans are going to flip out when Howard gets into foul trouble when they play against the HEAT.

You guys just don't understand, Wade & Lbj always get Howard into foul trouble, he will be sitting on the bench while the HEAT are fastbreaking down the court. ( It's just the way it is ).

Blazers#1Fan
09-14-2012, 09:21 PM
who cares market does better when there are bandwagon fans ;)

Who cares about market the team loses alot of respect for true fans because of those fans and those fans are like middle school girls they see some teams good and they buy the gear then switch teams the next year when the next team wins cough cough cavs lebron fans cough heat lebron fans cough cough

C-Style
09-14-2012, 09:27 PM
How many of those rings were you to able to watch 5

Funny how people talk rings when the commish hands LA players and 90% of lakers fans are bandwagon fans true fact just like 90% of miami fans

Imma call real lakers and miami fans 10%ers


It doesn't matter, they still have 16.


What's even funnier is that ur pulling these percentages out of your ***. I think you are just bitter about the all the Laker fans around your little town, & as far as I'm concerned I can name a ton of Laker fans here in L.A that can school the majority of the Blazer fan base about basketball and it's history. I know a few old ladies that would school the shyt it out of all young Blazer fans.

KB-Pau-DH2012
09-14-2012, 09:30 PM
16 rings, ARE U MAD???:eyebrow:

He aint' MAD...


HE IRATE!!!! :dance:

Blazers#1Fan
09-14-2012, 09:32 PM
lol.... Nice one

How would you know who is areal HEAT/Laker fan.... Joined PSD date:confused:

People are forgetting the real problem for teams are Wade & Lbj... Laker fans are going to flip out when Howard gets into foul trouble when they play against the HEAT.

You guys just don't understand, Wade & Lbj always get Howard into foul trouble, he will be sitting on the bench while the HEAT are fastbreaking down the court. ( It's just the way it is ).

No how they talk i know 10%ers and alot of em admit it honestly how long you been a miami fan no lies ive been a blazers and sonics fan since i was born ive lived in both citys my whole life probably 60-40 portland-seattle only teams i go for unless its the finals And blazers dont make it far then i pick who i hate less
I went for miami in the finals cuz i hate the zombie sonics if its lakers vs miami this year im going for miami cuz blazers got cheated by tim donaghy and we would of won that year

ive been on psd since 05 i use to be ryder78c but i forgot my email and password for that account

C-Style
09-14-2012, 09:35 PM
lol.... Nice one

How would you know who is areal HEAT/Laker fan.... Joined PSD date:confused:

People are forgetting the real problem for teams are Wade & Lbj... Laker fans are going to flip out when Howard gets into foul trouble when they play against the HEAT.

You guys just don't understand, Wade & Lbj always get Howard into foul trouble, he will be sitting on the bench while the HEAT are fastbreaking down the court. ( It's just the way it is ).

So now ur depending on Dwight to get in foul trouble just to beat the Lakers? Pathetic.

SteBO
09-14-2012, 09:39 PM
lol.... Nice one

How would you know who is areal HEAT/Laker fan.... Joined PSD date:confused:

People are forgetting the real problem for teams are Wade & Lbj... Laker fans are going to flip out when Howard gets into foul trouble when they play against the HEAT.

You guys just don't understand, Wade & Lbj always get Howard into foul trouble, he will be sitting on the bench while the HEAT are fastbreaking down the court. ( It's just the way it is ).
Don't bother dude, it's a waste of time. Just concede that the Lakers are the GOAT and you wouldn't have to repeat yourself every time you give an ounce of criticism to LAL.

Blazers#1Fan
09-14-2012, 09:40 PM
It doesn't matter, they still have 16.


What's even funnier is that ur pulling these percentages out of your ***. I think you are just bitter about the all the Laker fans around your little town, & as far as I'm concerned I can name a ton of Laker fans here in L.A that can school the majority of the Blazer fan base about basketball and it's history. I know a few old ladies that would school the shyt it out of all young Blazer fans.

No shlt how is anybody gonna figure out whos a bandwagon fan they all say they real fans dont get mad if you a 10%er you should agree

Thats funny i know blazers fans who can school lakers fans is bball facts sounds like you can hear and smell your colon so pull your head out and be happy if your a true fan and not a flip flopper thats my point

Blazers#1Fan
09-14-2012, 09:44 PM
Just remember i didnt name names but if the new era fits wear it

Dade County
09-14-2012, 09:46 PM
So now ur depending on Dwight to get in foul trouble just to beat the Lakers? Pathetic.

What!... :laugh:

Are you crazy!!! Thats what happens every time Howard plays against the HEAT, I guess you didn't watch HEAT vs Magic games...smh

Ask Orlando fans.

I can't wait until all of you Laker fans come in here screaming that the refs are doing this and that... When in actuality, Howard gets in foul trouble playing against the HEAT.

WTF is wrong with you

:laugh2:

bucketss
09-14-2012, 09:48 PM
So now ur depending on Dwight to get in foul trouble just to beat the Lakers? Pathetic.

if the lakers and heat meet in the finals. i guarantee you and 95% of your laker homeboys will be blaming the refs and calling the series rigged. you should probably start thinking of better excuses now though.

Dade County
09-14-2012, 09:51 PM
No how they talk i know 10%ers and alot of em admit it honestly how long you been a miami fan no lies ive been a blazers and sonics fan since i was born ive lived in both citys my whole life probably 60-40 portland-seattle only teams i go for unless its the finals And blazers dont make it far then i pick who i hate less
I went for miami in the finals cuz i hate the zombie sonics if its lakers vs miami this year im going for miami cuz blazers got cheated by tim donaghy and we would of won that year

ive been on psd since 05 i use to be ryder78c but i forgot my email and password for that account

I born and raised in the county of Dade! Norland elementary, Norland middle, and I got kicked out of Norland High...

Dade County Baby!

Dade County
09-14-2012, 09:52 PM
Don't bother dude, it's a waste of time. Just concede that the Lakers are the GOAT and you wouldn't have to repeat yourself every time you give an ounce of criticism to LAL.

I guess so... Some of these posters are crazy.

beasted86
09-14-2012, 10:21 PM
If any of the doubters here can name a Center that's on the HEAT current roster or available for the vet minimum, who is better at playing Center than Bosh, I'd like to hear who that is.

This Miami team plays elite defense whether Bosh is at PF or at Center... so you guys can sit around second guessing things if you want. I'd guess Haslem will be starting PF, and Haslem + Bosh is better than Bosh + any Center we have or is available for the minimum.

naps
09-14-2012, 10:28 PM
Looking forward to a Bosh vs Perkins match-up in 2013 NBA finals :D Let's go basketball!

C-Style
09-14-2012, 10:31 PM
^ Only thing stoping the Lakers from a championships are the Thunder, so I can see where u coming from

C-Style
09-14-2012, 10:35 PM
No shlt how is anybody gonna figure out whos a bandwagon fan they all say they real fans dont get mad if you a 10%er you should agree

Thats funny i know blazers fans who can school lakers fans is bball facts sounds like you can hear and smell your colon so pull your head out and be happy if your a true fan and not a flip flopper thats my point

I hate banwagoners, specially Lakers', but to call us Real Laker fans 10%ers legit is ******** as u can get, plain and simple.

koreancabbage
09-14-2012, 10:35 PM
Who cares about market the team loses alot of respect for true fans because of those fans and those fans are like middle school girls they see some teams good and they buy the gear then switch teams the next year when the next team wins cough cough cavs lebron fans cough heat lebron fans cough cough

teams care about market. Do teams care if they lose a lot of respect when the Lakers are n dynasty mode? Miami winning?
you are like a middle school teenager throwing a tantrum like its your business to call out "fans", regardless of who they like. basically- who the **** are you? lay off some of that haterade.

C-Style
09-14-2012, 10:38 PM
if the lakers and heat meet in the finals. i guarantee you and 95% of your laker homeboys will be blaming the refs and calling the series rigged. you should probably start thinking of better excuses now though.

Why would I be surprised? Refs bend over backwards for D-whistle & Bron. Should grow some balls instead of counting on Dwight to get in Foul trouble just to win a series. Counting on players to get in foul trouble to win a championship is as low as u can get, but wouldn't expect nothing more from some Heat/Bron fans, they r used to the bail out's that they see it as an advantage.

bucketss
09-14-2012, 10:43 PM
Why would I be surprised? Refs bend over backwards for D-whistle & Bron. Should grow some balls instead of counting on Dwight to get in Foul trouble just to win a series.

did i say you would be surprised? just giving you sometime to think of better excuses if i mean when you guys lose.

C-Style
09-14-2012, 10:48 PM
did i say you would be surprised? just giving you sometime to think of better excuses if i mean when you guys lose.

Did you I say u did? just pointing out that it wouldn't be a surprise at ALL

Heat fans: Don't worry fellow Heat Fans, we got the refs on our side, they will foul out Dwight, that'll show em'.

bucketss
09-14-2012, 10:54 PM
Did you I say u did? just pointing out that it wouldn't be a surprise at ALL

Heat fans: Don't worry fellow Heat Fans, we got the refs on our side, they will foul out Dwight, that'll show em'.

idk you said "why would i be suprised? " as if i asked you.

anyways. im not a heat just to let you know. also im not saying im betting on dwight being in foul trouble. but i feel like lebron and wade will get freethrows because they are the best slashers in the game but you and your fellow laker fans will let your emotions get the best of you and blame the whole series on the refs blah blah. like all the heat haters did this year.

beasted86
09-14-2012, 10:55 PM
Did you I say u did? just pointing out that it wouldn't be a surprise at ALL

Heat fans: Don't worry fellow Heat Fans, we got the refs on our side, they will foul out Dwight, that'll show em'.

Let me preface this by saying I'm not one of these losers who log onto the internet to argue and troll people.....

But seriously... GTFOH dude. What the hell does a Bosh moving to Center thread have to do with the Lakers anyway? Seriously just shut the hell up and move that garbage gloating "my team is better that yours is, wanna fight about it?!" nonsense on to some other thread, or preferably to the Lakers forum.

C-Style
09-14-2012, 11:01 PM
Let me preface this by saying I'm not one of these losers who log onto the internet to argue and troll people.....

But seriously... GTFOH dude. What the hell does a Bosh moving to Center thread have to do with the Lakers anyway? Seriously just shut the hell up and move that garbage gloating "my team is better that yours is, wanna fight about it?!" nonsense on to some other thread, or preferably to the Lakers forum.

talk to ur so-called fan base

C-Style
09-14-2012, 11:02 PM
idk you said "why would i be suprised? " as if i asked you.

Anyways. Im not a heat just to let you know. Also im not saying im betting on dwight being in foul trouble. But i feel like lebron and wade will get freethrows because they are the best slashers in the game but you and your fellow laker fans will let your emotions get the best of you and blame the whole series on the refs blah blah. Like all the heat haters did this year.

everybody does this

Dade County
09-14-2012, 11:04 PM
Why would I be surprised? Refs bend over backwards for D-whistle & Bron. Should grow some balls instead of counting on Dwight to get in Foul trouble just to win a series. Counting on players to get in foul trouble to win a championship is as low as u can get, but wouldn't expect nothing more from some Heat/Bron fans, they r used to the bail out's that they see it as an advantage.

You are singing the same old song... Here is my response again ... smh




What!... :laugh:

Are you crazy!!! Thats what happens every time Howard plays against the HEAT, I guess you didn't watch HEAT vs Magic games...smh

Ask Orlando fans.

I can't wait until all of you Laker fans come in here screaming that the refs are doing this and that... When in actuality, Howard gets in foul trouble playing against the HEAT.

WTF is wrong with you

:laugh2:

No one is depending on the refs... Howard can not handle Wade & Lbj the entire game driving to the basket.

This has been proven time after time... You should have watched HEAT vs Magic games, instead of just talking straight ****.

Can I have a magic fan please... Let this Crazy guy know, what's about to happen to his beloved Howard.

It's just the way it is.

EDIT**

And you are a Laker fan... You should know how the refs work.

Bruno
09-14-2012, 11:17 PM
...six pounds?

i gained six pounds after thanksgiving dinner last year.

beasted86
09-14-2012, 11:33 PM
...six pounds?

i gained six pounds after thanksgiving dinner last year.

6 pound of fat, not muscle.

When you are doing 3 hours plus of cardio every single day and still doing weight training on top of that, it is pretty hard to gain lean weight of pure muscle.

But I don't even get why the reporter of the article thought the specific weight was noteworthy anyhow. If he said he gained 6 pounds, I probably wouldn't have reported it if I were a journalist. But I guess the summer is slow and they have to try and convince the newspaper they are worth the checks they are still getting.

Bruno
09-14-2012, 11:39 PM
6 pound of fat, not muscle.

When you are doing 3 hours plus of cardio every single day and still doing weight training on top of that, it is pretty hard to gain lean weight of pure muscle.

But I don't even get why the reporter of the article thought the specific weight was noteworthy anyhow. If he said he gained 6 pounds, I probably wouldn't have reported it if I were a journalist. But I guess the summer is slow and they have to try and convince the newspaper they are worth the checks they are still getting.

you're probably right.

i was just kidding though.

Blazers#1Fan
09-15-2012, 01:10 PM
teams care about market. Do teams care if they lose a lot of respect when the Lakers are n dynasty mode? Miami winning?
you are like a middle school teenager throwing a tantrum like its your business to call out "fans", regardless of who they like. basically- who the **** are you? lay off some of that haterade.

Dude u lose all credit your from toronto and yyou were a cavs fan a few years ago jump off the bandwagons nuts and and be a raptors fan

Bangaon fans get butt hurt when there called out

Dade county is a real fan he just explained his side your looking like a little girl bro

IndiansFan337
09-15-2012, 01:27 PM
This isn't news for anyone who watched the playoffs last season...

dc5jdm
09-15-2012, 08:57 PM
This is more for regular season purpose, come playoffs with real bugs would have to change