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JordansBulls
09-08-2012, 02:35 PM
How well do they do over the next 4 years from 2001 to 2005?

lavilevi23
09-08-2012, 02:42 PM
That would've been a dynasty with a healthy Grant Hill.

Raps18-19 Champ
09-08-2012, 02:44 PM
3 Finals appearances with a title or 2 in there.

I would have loved watching Duncan and McGrady vs Shaq and Kobe.

KB-Pau-DH2012
09-08-2012, 02:44 PM
Jeeh, I didn't know that 3 star players make a DYNASTY! :laugh2:

xxplayerxx23
09-08-2012, 02:46 PM
:laugh2: Sorry 4 do^

xxplayerxx23
09-08-2012, 02:46 PM
Prime T-Mac and Duncan with a healthy Grant hill :drool:

DoMeFavors
09-08-2012, 02:47 PM
Tmac couldnt get wins so I say no titles.

dee279
09-08-2012, 02:53 PM
That would have been nasty

netsgiantsyanks
09-08-2012, 02:56 PM
maybe the nets would have won the 03 finals. :shrug:

xxplayerxx23
09-08-2012, 02:57 PM
:laugh: T-Mac couldn't get wins with one of the best if not the best PF added to his team. 1-3 championships.

xxplayerxx23
09-08-2012, 02:57 PM
maybe the nets would have won the 03 finals. :shrug:

If Vince was there that year they would of had a shot :p

mvb815
09-08-2012, 03:01 PM
Tmac couldnt get wins so I say no titles.

stop trolling and use common sense

beliges
09-08-2012, 03:07 PM
Wouldve been a nice team but still had to go up against Kobe and Shaq and the Lakers. Dont see him winning more than he did with SA. Its not as if his Spurs werent as stacked as that Orlando team would have been.

Iron24th
09-08-2012, 03:11 PM
With tmac on the team, 1st round exit, bad karma.

KB-Pau-DH2012
09-08-2012, 03:12 PM
I just remembered, that Orlando team would have had Doc Rivers as their head coach.

Chronz
09-08-2012, 03:19 PM
Game over, having a guy like Duncan probably alleviates Tmac of the heavy burden that plagued him later in his career.

greg_ory_2005
09-08-2012, 03:23 PM
They'd be battling the Lakers every year in the finals.

douglas
09-08-2012, 03:28 PM
I think they would have made a lot of basketball shots together.

KB-Pau-DH2012
09-08-2012, 03:29 PM
I think they would have made a lot of basketball shots together.

I think your posts are as non-contributory as they get. :laugh2:

dhopisthename
09-08-2012, 03:37 PM
I think your posts are as non-contributory as they get. :laugh2:

don't diss douglas. his posts provide insight that no can come close to matching

MTar786
09-08-2012, 04:05 PM
not when the lakers had shaq and kobe.. maybe they could have won it in 03 or 05

xxplayerxx23
09-08-2012, 04:07 PM
They would of beaten the Lakers one of those years

JordansBulls
09-08-2012, 04:11 PM
With tmac on the team, 1st round exit, bad karma.

Logic doesn't apply because Duncan is the best here.

netsgiantsyanks
09-08-2012, 04:21 PM
If Vince was there that year they would of had a shot :p

we had a 10 point lead with 10 minutes left in game 6 and they blew it. i think i was 7 when i watched that and cried.

netsgiantsyanks
09-08-2012, 04:22 PM
(not actually watch it, it was past my bedtime :p)

b@llhog24
09-08-2012, 04:25 PM
Logic doesn't apply because Duncan is the best here.

Never thought I'd agree with Jb but, this.

mdm692
09-08-2012, 04:27 PM
I think they would have made a lot of basketball shots together.

you are by far my fav poster in all of psd.

_KB24_
09-08-2012, 04:28 PM
"Ifs" don't exist. The butterfly effect it would have on the rest of the league would be too drastic. Theres countless other things you would have to take into consideration.

StinkEye
09-08-2012, 04:29 PM
It would have been nasty.

rocket
09-08-2012, 04:37 PM
Tmac couldnt get wins so I say no titles.

Can I please uppercut you?

RLundi
09-08-2012, 06:03 PM
They would have conquered the world.

Quinnsanity
09-08-2012, 06:16 PM
Duncan and Tmac wouldn't have played together. The plan was to sign Duncan and Grant Hill, but when Duncan said no they went to Tmac as a backup. They didn't have the cap to sign all three. Duncan would have been in a similar situation as Tmac, a great player on a mediocre team because Hill was always hurt.

RLundi
09-08-2012, 06:20 PM
Duncan and Tmac wouldn't have played together. The plan was to sign Duncan and Grant Hill, but when Duncan said no they went to Tmac as a backup. They didn't have the cap to sign all three. Duncan would have been in a similar situation as Tmac, a great player on a mediocre team because Hill was always hurt.

Incorrect.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/770074/Magic-eye-Hill-Duncan-AND-McGrady.html?pg=all


With Grant Hill seemingly a lock and Tim Duncan weighing his options, the Orlando Magic courted free agent forward Tracy McGrady on Wednesday.

And they must have liked McGrady's response.

The Magic are working on a sign-and-trade deal to add McGrady, who played for Toronto, to a team that could include Hill, who played with Detroit, and Duncan, who played with San Antonio.

Quinnsanity
09-08-2012, 06:30 PM
Incorrect.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/770074/Magic-eye-Hill-Duncan-AND-McGrady.html?pg=all

Wow really? I didn't know that, I thought they only had the cap space for two and McGrady was a fallback. You also have to wonder if Duncan would have made it easier for Hill to stay healthy. Lighter work load, less pressure to rush back, would have been interesting.

FraziersKnicks
09-08-2012, 06:49 PM
Can I please uppercut you?

:laugh2:

PleaseBeNice
09-08-2012, 07:44 PM
Always hypotheticals with you. Also, change your name to T-Mac.

dc5jdm
09-08-2012, 11:41 PM
I just remembered, that Orlando team would have had Doc Rivers as their head coach.

It's not the same experienced rivers of now.

Avenged
09-09-2012, 12:01 AM
Duncan would have stayed in the 1st round.. Imagine that.

Chronz
09-09-2012, 02:56 AM
Duncan would have stayed in the 1st round.. Imagine that.

Which team would have wiped them out?

Losoway
09-09-2012, 02:57 AM
tmac style of play doesnt match with duncans

naps
09-09-2012, 03:21 AM
Would be great for sure but not as great as a tandem of JB-Tmac.

Shlumpledink
09-09-2012, 04:08 AM
Duncan wouldn't be regarded as highly as he is now. There would be a bunch of "what if duncan stayed with the spurs?" posters, that would be mocked into oblivion by we insightful psd posters. We'd say "no way duncan could win a title with the spurs. He isn't nearly as good as kevin garnett is."

kdspurman
09-09-2012, 09:31 AM
Duncan wouldn't be regarded as highly as he is now. There would be a bunch of "what if duncan stayed with the spurs?" posters, that would be mocked into oblivion by we insightful psd posters. We'd say "no way duncan could win a title with the spurs. He isn't nearly as good as kevin garnett is."

You realize this was already After Duncan had taken the Spurs to their first title right?

LakersIn5
09-09-2012, 11:45 AM
Tmac couldnt get wins so I say no titles.

hater

i was watching greatest games earlier and the help tmac had in orlando was just weak! declerq, gooden, tmac, giricek, vaughn. i was like wtf? i didnt know that the cast of the magic was that weak. and dont forget garrity.

Andrew32
09-09-2012, 12:55 PM
T-Mac was the best SG in the game from 01-05 (imo).
Duncan was a beast.

They would definitely challenge Shaq/Kobe every year.

Chronz
09-09-2012, 02:12 PM
It's not the same experienced rivers of now.

Yea, just the one that won coach of the year

Corey
09-09-2012, 02:40 PM
We need a T-Mac forum.

Ill21
09-09-2012, 02:46 PM
3 Finals appearances with a title or 2 in there.

I would have loved watching Duncan and McGrady vs Shaq and Kobe.

same, those would have been great matchups

_KB24_
09-09-2012, 10:38 PM
Yea, just the one that won coach of the year

And lost what 19 games in a row?

JasonJohnHorn
09-10-2012, 12:47 PM
Duncan would have lost out on his chances to win so many titles with the Spurs and would have had to endure first-round eliminations... it would have been sad for basketball... but the Pistons would have won back-to-back titles! And the Lakers might have been able to pull out 4 in a row.

JordansBulls
09-10-2012, 06:00 PM
Duncan would have lost out on his chances to win so many titles with the Spurs and would have had to endure first-round eliminations... it would have been sad for basketball... but the Pistons would have won back-to-back titles! And the Lakers might have been able to pull out 4 in a row.

Why would he had been losing in the first round?

Chronz
09-10-2012, 06:50 PM
And lost what 19 games in a row?

No he qot canned at like 10 I think. Is that suppose to mean more than winning an award for being the best coach in the league at any given point?

Chronz
09-10-2012, 06:51 PM
Duncan would have lost out on his chances to win so many titles with the Spurs and would have had to endure first-round eliminations... it would have been sad for basketball... but the Pistons would have won back-to-back titles! And the Lakers might have been able to pull out 4 in a row.
LMFAO, and which team was suppose to knock off the Magic in R1? Duncan would have had more talent in Orlando up until Tmac's back gives out, which with his addition would have presumably taken longer.

_KB24_
09-10-2012, 07:25 PM
No he qot canned at like 10 I think. Is that suppose to mean more than winning an award for being the best coach in the league at any given point?

Too me it does. COY doesn't mean squat in my book. It's too sensationalized for my liking, feel-good story of the year.

Chronz
09-10-2012, 07:30 PM
Too me it does. COY doesn't mean squat in my book. It's too sensationalized for my liking, feel-good story of the year.
I know how you feel, I feel the same way for your barometer only it becomes the feel bad story of the year.

NYKnicksAllDay
09-10-2012, 08:14 PM
Would've been sick. Wonder who Dwight would've been drafted by.

JordansBulls
09-11-2012, 12:09 PM
We need a T-Mac forum.

Or a MJ forum, Kobe forum, Lebron forum, Magic forum as well.:)

dh144498
09-11-2012, 12:47 PM
what if Jerry West didn't make the deal to get Kobe to L.A.?

Chronz
09-11-2012, 12:50 PM
what if Jerry West didn't make the deal to get Kobe to L.A.?

Who knows where he starts his career

dh144498
09-11-2012, 12:58 PM
T-Mac was the best SG in the game from 01-05 (imo).
Duncan was a beast.

They would definitely challenge Shaq/Kobe every year.

he was a SF, silly.

C_Mund
09-11-2012, 01:13 PM
With tmac on the team, 1st round exit, bad karma.

Based on that logic the Lakers won't make the finals with Nash on the team

Iron24th
09-11-2012, 01:39 PM
Based on that logic the Lakers won't make the finals with Nash on the team

1st rounds exit your whole career means bad karma, not reaching the Finals your whole career doesn't mean anything since not many people can make it that far.

rapjuicer06
09-11-2012, 01:50 PM
Tracy and Timmy would have been lights out. Add in Hill and you have a damn good team. Shaq and Duncan woulda went at it and T-Mac was better than Kobe then as well. Magic would have beaten the Lakers every year

tapajafri
09-11-2012, 03:01 PM
3 Finals appearances with a title or 2 in there.

I would have loved watching Duncan and McGrady vs Shaq and Kobe.

Well since we're talking about "what if" scenarios, it would and should have been Duncan/McGrady vs Webber/Bibby.... **** David Stern and the refs, mainly Dick Bavetta

gilly
09-11-2012, 03:32 PM
If Grant Hill was healthy his whole career I could see him being Lebron-esq. So you put that kind of all round talent next to the best power forward of all time, and the best scorer of that era... better than the Heat is now. They'd fit so nicely.

Havoc Wreaker
09-11-2012, 05:17 PM
1st rounds exit your whole career means bad karma, not reaching the Finals your whole career doesn't mean anything since not many people can make it that far.

This is why I don't usually wander into this intellectually deficient forum.

JordansBulls
09-12-2012, 12:33 AM
If Grant Hill was healthy his whole career I could see him being Lebron-esq. So you put that kind of all round talent next to the best power forward of all time, and the best scorer of that era... better than the Heat is now. They'd fit so nicely.

Grant Hill would be a lesser Lebron.

Iron24th
09-12-2012, 03:50 AM
This is why I don't usually wander into this intellectually deficient forum.

Then don't watch.

JordansBulls
09-12-2012, 08:23 AM
Then don't watch.

Wrong phrase here.

mgsports
09-12-2012, 10:57 AM
Maybe they could have won some Championships.

Chronz
09-12-2012, 01:12 PM
3 Finals appearances with a title or 2 in there.

I would have loved watching Duncan and McGrady vs Shaq and Kobe.

Well since we're talking about "what if" scenarios, it would and should have been Duncan/McGrady vs Webber/Bibby.... **** David Stern and the refs, mainly Dick Bavetta
False, Lakers win in 5 vs Kings if the refs didn't screw them

JordansBulls
09-12-2012, 04:47 PM
False, Lakers win in 5 vs Kings if the refs didn't screw them

In what way?

Chronz
09-12-2012, 04:51 PM
In what way?

No

Iron24th
09-12-2012, 06:00 PM
Wrong phrase here.

Why not?

tapajafri
09-13-2012, 02:09 AM
False, Lakers win in 5 vs Kings if the refs didn't screw them

lol wait wtf? In game 4 of the 2002 WCF, Samaki Walker made a 3 at the 2nd quarter buzzer, but replay showed his fingers were clearly still on the ball when the clock read 0:00. There was no instant replay yet though, but that game is the reason refs can review that stuff now. Horry hit a great shot at the end to win, but if the refs could review back then, Walker's shot wouldn't have counted and the Kings win game 4 and go up 3-1. They went on to win game 5 so it couldve arguably been Kings in 5. They got screwed in game 4 and game 6 by the refs. Absolutely no one believes that the lakers got screwed by the refs that series.

Chronz
09-13-2012, 02:16 AM
lol wait wtf? In game 4 of the 2002 WCF, Samaki Walker made a 3 at the 2nd quarter buzzer, but replay showed his fingers were clearly still on the ball when the clock read 0:00. There was no instant replay yet though, but that game is the reason refs can review that stuff now. Horry hit a great shot at the end to win, but if the refs could review back then, Walker's shot wouldn't have counted and the Kings win game 4 and go up 3-1. They went on to win game 5 so it couldve arguably been Kings in 5. They got screwed in game 4 and game 6 by the refs. Absolutely no one believes that the lakers got screwed by the refs that series.

Game plans change depending on score, what matters is that in the final possession the Lakers came away victorious, but your right about them being up. I should have said Lakers win in 6 if the refs dont blow game 5. And I've seen the arguments being made here on PSD so dont tell me I havent seen other believers. The Lakers got just as many bad calls against them.

PurpleJesus
09-13-2012, 02:26 AM
McGrady threads always make me sad, along with Grant Hill discussions.

McGrady is only 33 years old right now, yet appears to be 40, and his prime ended at way too young of an age. He started a giant down swing due to injuries starting at the age of 27.

Grant Hill made a nice career for himself post injury, but was never even close to the 20 point, 8 rebound, 6 assist guy he was in Detroit. Hill was the best all around player in the league prior to LBJ. If Grant Hill had stayed healthy, he would be in the discussion of top 15-10 player of all time.

albertajaysfan
09-13-2012, 03:08 AM
McGrady threads always make me sad, along with Grant Hill discussions.

McGrady is only 33 years old right now, yet appears to be 40, and his prime ended at way too young of an age. He started a giant down swing due to injuries starting at the age of 27.

Grant Hill made a nice career for himself post injury, but was never even close to the 20 point, 8 rebound, 6 assist guy he was in Detroit. Hill was the best all around player in the league prior to LBJ. If Grant Hill had stayed healthy, he would be in the discussion of top 15-10 player of all time.

As a Raptors fan the TMac discussion makes me sad on two levels. His injuries and what could have been if him and VC had been willing to share the ball. That could have been nasty. I remember thinking that we could have future HoF guys. But neither one will get in I think. Unless some playoff miracle happens.

PurpleJesus
09-13-2012, 03:34 AM
As a Raptors fan the TMac discussion makes me sad on two levels. His injuries and what could have been if him and VC had been willing to share the ball. That could have been nasty. I remember thinking that we could have future HoF guys. But neither one will get in I think. Unless some playoff miracle happens.

You saying neither TMac nor Hill will get in, or are you saying neither TMac or VC?

I would disagree with both. I think Hill easily gets in, due to him being one of the games most dominating player for the first 6 years of his career, as well as having a respectable career post injury. ROY, 5 time all NBA, 7 time all star, 2 NCAA championships

I think TMac gets in because he had a 7 year run where people could claim he was a top 5 player, and you wouldnt get much argument...7 time all NBA, 7 time all star, 2 time scoring champ.

I think VC gets in because he was one of the leagues best players for about 9 years, averaging an efficient 24 points per game over that span. 8 time all star, Olympic gold medalist, 2 time all NBA, ROY.

SirSkyHook
09-13-2012, 04:14 AM
lol wait wtf? In game 4 of the 2002 WCF, Samaki Walker made a 3 at the 2nd quarter buzzer, but replay showed his fingers were clearly still on the ball when the clock read 0:00. There was no instant replay yet though, but that game is the reason refs can review that stuff now. Horry hit a great shot at the end to win, but if the refs could review back then, Walker's shot wouldn't have counted and the Kings win game 4 and go up 3-1. They went on to win game 5 so it couldve arguably been Kings in 5. They got screwed in game 4 and game 6 by the refs. Absolutely no one believes that the lakers got screwed by the refs that series.

What about all thr Flopping Divac was out there doing? What about Webbers illegal *** screen he set for Bibby to free him up for a game clinchers that series? What about all the times Christie hit Kobe on the release of his jump shots? I could really go on and on, but my point is the reffs exstended a series that the Lakers could have taken easily. Refs were crap for both teams. if the Kings were better why didnt they come back and prove it Like the great Lakers, Spurs, and Nets?

To the Op. T-mac would have been the Penny to Duncan's Shaq which is great but not good enough. The series would have went longer in my opinion but and Kobe would have stole an MVP from Shaq but that would have been the only changes. Lakers had a hungry Phil period.

king4day
09-13-2012, 09:34 AM
If healthy, they'd get a ring or 2 in that span for sure. Nevermind TMAC's playoff woes, that's nullified AND SOME by having Duncan on the team.

Dr Seuss
09-13-2012, 09:50 AM
A classy player like Tim Duncan, does not fit in with a ship so sunken, and orlando will be dealt with a new heartbreaker, as tim takes his talents to the LA Lakers

tapajafri
09-13-2012, 04:05 PM
Game plans change depending on score, what matters is that in the final possession the Lakers came away victorious, but your right about them being up. I should have said Lakers win in 6 if the refs dont blow game 5. And I've seen the arguments being made here on PSD so dont tell me I havent seen other believers. The Lakers got just as many bad calls against them.

yeah, the only ppl that say lakers got robbed by the refs is that small group of the few laker fans left that are too prideful to admit the refs robbed the Kings. Majority of laker fans have admitted it was rigged in favor of their own lakers team. You're absolutely insane if you think the Kings were robbed of the WCF title in 2002. It's simple. That WCF was the NBA championship that year. It makes sense for David Stern to want the series to go 7 games. Sacramento could've closed it out in 6, but Stern and the NBA wanted it to go 7 for obvious reasons. That's why the lakers shot 27 free throws in the 4th quarter alone, Divac/Pollard fouled out with Webber picking up 5, and bryant giving Bibby a blatant elbow to the face in a one-point game with no foul call. Yeah, presidential candidate Ralph Nadar went on CNN and sounded off, Bill Plaschke who writes for the LA Times said he was courtside and it was an abomination. Mike Wilbon, Skip Bayless, every single analyst and sports writer in the country including Laker writers said the kings were robbed. You probably didnt even watch the game live when it happened. It was rigged. Case closed.

GrkGawdofWalkz
09-13-2012, 04:09 PM
Doesn't matter. Lol moot point. What if threads.

Chronz
09-13-2012, 07:24 PM
yeah, the only ppl that say lakers got robbed by the refs is that small group of the few laker fans left that are too prideful to admit the refs robbed the Kings. Majority of laker fans have admitted it was rigged in favor of their own lakers team. You're absolutely insane if you think the Kings were robbed of the WCF title in 2002. It's simple. That WCF was the NBA championship that year. It makes sense for David Stern to want the series to go 7 games. Sacramento could've closed it out in 6, but Stern and the NBA wanted it to go 7 for obvious reasons. That's why the lakers shot 27 free throws in the 4th quarter alone, Divac/Pollard fouled out with Webber picking up 5, and bryant giving Bibby a blatant elbow to the face in a one-point game with no foul call. Yeah, presidential candidate Ralph Nadar went on CNN and sounded off, Bill Plaschke who writes for the LA Times said he was courtside and it was an abomination. Mike Wilbon, Skip Bayless, every single analyst and sports writer in the country including Laker writers said the kings were robbed. You probably didnt even watch the game live when it happened. It was rigged. Case closed.

Case closed? The same argument holds true for the game in which Shaq+Kobe barely get to the line and are in foul trouble all game. Simply put, if its a fairly reffed game, its over in 6 for the Lakers.

JordansBulls
09-13-2012, 10:30 PM
Case closed? The same argument holds true for the game in which Shaq+Kobe barely get to the line and are in foul trouble all game. Simply put, if its a fairly reffed game, its over in 6 for the Lakers.

Which games?

hype707
09-13-2012, 10:33 PM
4 first round exits.

Chronz
09-13-2012, 10:50 PM
Which games?

The one I described

tapajafri
09-14-2012, 03:44 AM
Case closed? The same argument holds true for the game in which Shaq+Kobe barely get to the line and are in foul trouble all game. Simply put, if its a fairly reffed game, its over in 6 for the Lakers.

which games? lakers dominated game 1, kings responded in game 2, kings dominated game 3, then there was some controversy in game 4 with walker's shot, but there was no replay and **** happens. not a big deal. game 5 kings barely escaped. But then game 6, ahhhh game 6 is the game that is still fresh in many NBA fans' minds 10 years later....not just kings fans. There's a reason why everyone remembers game 6 and no one remembers games 1-5 or 7....and that's because game 6 had some horrendous officiating that was biased in favor of the lakers, and it was pretty evident. It also didn't look good for the NBA since the head official that game was Dick Bavetta, Stern's puppy tool. Bavetta has tarnished many games, but game 6 was the most blatant.

b@llhog24
09-14-2012, 12:27 PM
Based on that logic the Lakers won't make the finals with Nash on the team

1st rounds exit your whole career means bad karma, not reaching the Finals your whole career doesn't mean anything since not many people can make it that far.

Then why did the Lakers make the finals when they added Pau Gasol? :eyebrow:

Chronz
09-15-2012, 09:22 AM
which games? lakers dominated game 1, kings responded in game 2, kings dominated game 3, then there was some controversy in game 4 with walker's shot, but there was no replay and **** happens. not a big deal. game 5 kings barely escaped. But then game 6, ahhhh game 6 is the game that is still fresh in many NBA fans' minds 10 years later....not just kings fans. There's a reason why everyone remembers game 6 and no one remembers games 1-5 or 7....and that's because game 6 had some horrendous officiating that was biased in favor of the lakers, and it was pretty evident. It also didn't look good for the NBA since the head official that game was Dick Bavetta, Stern's puppy tool. Bavetta has tarnished many games, but game 6 was the most blatant.
You keep saying that but I remember a loud outcry from Laker fans about G5. Kings barely escaped with both Kobe and Shaq being kept off the line, this with Shaq in his prime inexplicably getting like 1 trip to the foul line and fouling out while Kobe suffered foul trouble and barely got to the line as well. Most people just dont care when the Lakers cry because of who they are but it was definitely an equally awful reffed series.

KingPosey
09-17-2012, 05:09 PM
Stop Chronz, you look desperate, and deep down, you know what happened there.

Chronz
09-17-2012, 05:14 PM
Stop Chronz, you look desperate, and deep down, you know what happened there.

Hard to look desperate when your stating facts and both of us are arguing the other team got screwed. I know what happened, its why I laugh at the idea that the Kings were screwed when they were gifted a game as well.

JordansBulls
09-17-2012, 08:03 PM
Stop Chronz, you look desperate, and deep down, you know what happened there.

:)