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D12 fan
09-05-2012, 03:48 PM
Avery Johnson said the Nets are not contenders yet,and they need to keep working hard to be a elite team.

I say the Nets are still 1 piece away from competing with the Heat/Celtics/Knicks/Pacers in the East.I don't think they have enough depth on the bench to compete with the elite teams especially in the frontcourt if Lopez/Humphries get in foul trouble they are in trouble down low.

StarvingKnick22
09-05-2012, 03:51 PM
Does AI practice?

jkiddvc20
09-05-2012, 03:52 PM
Ohhhh boy I can see this turning out poorly..

StarvingKnick22
09-05-2012, 03:53 PM
but still contenders for the first pick...lol just kidding, but no. No one will pass the heat unless Dwyane Wade gets an ankle sprain. And against the Lakers? Does any other EC team have a chance?

JNoel
09-05-2012, 03:53 PM
Avery Johnson said the Nets are not contenders yet,and they need to keep working hard to be a elite team.

I say the Nets are still 1 piece away from competing with the Heat/Celtics/Knicks/Pacers in the East.I don't think they have enough depth on the bench to compete with the elite teams especially in the frontcourt if Lopez/Humphries get in foul trouble they are in trouble down low.

They could win in the first round, but most likely lose if they get any further.

JOhnnyTHaJet
09-05-2012, 03:55 PM
Unfortunately this thread will go to **** soon, with that said, I think its a valid topic if you talk unbiasedly.

I think we're close but like Avery said we need time to become a true championship caliber team. We will be better than every is anticipating but we're still not on the level of the teams like the Lakers, Thunder, Heat, and Spurs.

Bellz
09-05-2012, 03:58 PM
Nets Fans - " Yes we are a top 2 team in the east."

DoMeFavors - " Yes and don't worry *insert All-Star name* will be in Brooklyn next year. Don't worry"

Smart Nba Fans - " They should be in the playoffs 4-6 seed in east"

SteBO
09-05-2012, 03:59 PM
I say they're a couple of nice bench pieces, and a major piece away from being a title contender. You aren't going to find many teams in the NBA that have an elite PG in Deron Williams, and a more than competent Center in Brook Lopez. Joe Johnson is a grossly overpaid star in the NBA, but let's face it he's better than a lot of SG's in the league and will get you double figures every night with the occasional 30+ point outburst.

I just don't think their bench is good in any way and I have no idea what their wing rotation consists of besides JJ and Marshon Brooks.

EDIT: I forgot about Anthony Morrow, but he's too one-dimensional and doesn't defend from what I've seen.

LongIslandIcedZ
09-05-2012, 04:00 PM
I suppose their a threat for the Atlantic Division. Having said that, I think NY,Boston, Philly and NJ are all threats to win the division. If I had to pick a place for them I can see the Nets finishing anywhere from 3-5 in the division. I'm leaning towards 3, but I really like Philly as well. They need to play together for a bit first before I crown them Atlantic Champs.

So I guess in an Eastern Conference sense, no they are not contenders.

D12 fan
09-05-2012, 04:02 PM
Unfortunately this thread will go to **** soon, with that said, I think its a valid topic if you talk unbiasedly.

I think we're close but like Avery said we need time to become a true championship caliber team. We will be better than every is anticipating but we're still not on the level of the teams like the Lakers, Thunder, Heat, and Spurs.

Yeah I like the Nets starting lineup but I think they have a weak bench especially in the frontcourt,if Lopez/Humphries go down they would be in trouble.

I don't know why the Nets have signed Kmart,,he could help he's no game changer but he is another big who plays defense,he would fit well next to Lopez.

D12 fan
09-05-2012, 04:04 PM
EDIT: I forgot about Anthony Morrow, but he's too one-dimensional and doesn't defend from what I've seen.

He plays for the Hawks now.

D2theJ
09-05-2012, 04:05 PM
Avery Johnson said the Nets are not contenders yet,and they need to keep working hard to be a elite team.

I say the Nets are still 1 piece away from competing with the Heat/Celtics/Knicks/Pacers in the East.I don't think they have enough depth on the bench to compete with the elite teams especially in the frontcourt if Lopez/Humphries get in foul trouble they are in trouble down low.

To answer the question no they're not championship contenders yet but they're close. And honestly there really is no contender to the Heat in the East lol maybe the Celtics but I don't think they have a chance.

But I don't get why everyone thinks the bench doesn't have depth? The only thing the Nets bench lacks is a decent back up center. I already think they have a very solid bench but if they as a true backup center I think they're bench can match up with anyone.

SteBO
09-05-2012, 04:06 PM
He plays for the Hawks now.
Lol yeah you're right. I also forgot about Gerald Wallace.

D-Will
Joe Johnson
Gerald Wallace
Humphries
Lopez

That's a pretty good starting unit, but again besides Marshon Brooks who's going to do much of anything off the bench? No idea who any of those guys are.....

JOhnnyTHaJet
09-05-2012, 04:07 PM
Yeah I like the Nets starting lineup but I think they have a weak bench especially in the frontcourt,if Lopez/Humphries go down they would be in trouble.

I don't know why the Nets have signed Kmart,,he could help he's no game changer but he is another big who plays defense,he would fit well next to Lopez.

Because KMart is holding out for more money. I'd rather Humphries as a starter anyway.

Dont underrate guys like Mirza and Evans, granted they only do 1 thing great but Ill take that at the PF spot. Mirza can shoot threes for days and Reggie Evans is a great rebounder with decent defensive skills.

We do need an interior presence of defense though because although I do think Brooks defense can/will improve, we still need a defensive specialist.

Robbw241
09-05-2012, 04:08 PM
Lol yeah you're right. I also forgot about Gerald Wallace.

D-Will
Joe Johnson
Gerald Wallace
Humphries
Lopez

That's a pretty good starting unit, but again besides Marshon Brooks who's going to do much of anything off the bench? No idea who any of those guys are.....

Tele could potentially do some damage, never played in NBA though so can't really count on him too much. CJ Watson is a decent PG too but our starters are going to have to do almost all the damage. Will be atleast 2 years before we are serious contenders so we can build a bench.

JasonJohnHorn
09-05-2012, 04:09 PM
On paper they have one of the best starting line-ups in the league.. and they do have a few pieces comign off the bench... so yeah, I think that if they are playing to their full potential they are contenders. That said... they have to play to their full potential, and part of that is Lopez actually rebounding the ball and playing defence.

We'll see.

8kobe24
09-05-2012, 04:13 PM
On paper, yes the Nets are contenders. But let's see how they will fare against NY, Celts, and the defending champs.

D12 fan
09-05-2012, 04:15 PM
Tele could potentially do some damage, never played in NBA though so can't really count on him too much. CJ Watson is a decent PG too but our starters are going to have to do almost all the damage. Will be atleast 2 years before we are serious contenders so we can build a bench.

I don't think it will take 2 years for the Nets to be contenders,they are close to being a contender right now they just need a legit backup pf/c to help add depth up front.Im not sold on Evans because he's just a hustle player and he can't make freethrows.Other than that the Nets have a solid team.

29$JerZ
09-05-2012, 04:19 PM
Deron/JJ/Crash/Hump/Lopez is very solid and much better than what they were rolling with last year.

Watson/Brooks/Tele/Evans is decent support. They could use some serious work there. They need Brooks/Tele to really blow up as it stands now.

They are a low end playoff team at best in my eyes. Let's see how they do fully healthy and Deron with some decent talent around him.

D2theJ
09-05-2012, 04:19 PM
I don't think it will take 2 years for the Nets to be contenders,they are close to being a contender right now they just need a legit backup pf/c to help add depth up front.Im not sold on Evans because he's just a hustle player and he can't make freethrows.Other than that the Nets have a solid team.

Evans will provide the hustle and defense when necessary, otherwise they'll have Teletovic to come in when they need a more skilled player who can go off offensively. Gonna be a very nice combo off the bench I think.

Punk
09-05-2012, 04:24 PM
The Nets are missing some size on the bench and depth from being a true contender.

They really remind me of the Clippers last year which started out:

Paul / Williams / Bledsoe
Billups / Foye
Butler / Gomes / Simmons
Griffin / Cook / Tompkins
Jordan / Evans

Compared to the current Nets:

Deron / Watson / Taylor
Johnson / Brooks / Stackhouse
Wallace / Bogans / Toko
Humphries/ Teletovic
Lopez / Evans

Considering the Nets are playing in a weaker conference with less big men, I think they will be a Top 4 record team throughout the season. They seriously need to address SF and PF/C positions to compete with Boston, Miami, NY's size if they were to meet them.

SteBO
09-05-2012, 04:27 PM
The Nets are missing some size on the bench and depth from being a true contender.

They really remind me of the Clippers last year which started out:

Paul / Williams / Bledsoe
Billups / Foye
Butler / Gomes / Simmons
Griffin / Cook / Tompkins
Jordan / Evans

Compared to the current Nets:

Deron / Watson / Taylor
Johnson / Brooks / Stackhouse
Wallace / Bogans / Toko
Humphries/ Teletovic
Lopez / Evans

Considering the Nets are playing in a weaker conference with less big men, I think they will be a Top 4 record team throughout the season. They seriously need to address SF and PF/C positions to compete with Boston, Miami, NY's size if they were to meet them.
Kenyon Martin would help them......

JerseysFinest
09-05-2012, 04:31 PM
Kenyon Martin would help them......

He really wouldn't though. The man is washed up, not the player he once was. Plus, it sounds like Blatche is going to be the next Brooklyn Net.

SeoulBeatz
09-05-2012, 04:35 PM
I would say they're in the same boat as the Knicks and Sixers.

A slight notch below the Heat, Celtics, Bulls (with Rose), and Pacers.

To say the Knicks, Nets, or Sixers are elite at this point is just foolish.

JerseysFinest
09-05-2012, 04:39 PM
I would say they're in the same boat as the Knicks and Sixers.

A slight notch below the Heat, Celtics, Bulls (with Rose), and Pacers.

To say the Knicks, Nets, or Sixers are elite at this point is just foolish.

I don't think the Nets are an elite team in the context of the whole league, but I think it's dishonest to say they aren't an elite/top team in the Eastern Conference. At full strength and assuming they gel, they should be up there.

D2theJ
09-05-2012, 04:46 PM
I would say they're in the same boat as the Knicks and Sixers.

A slight notch below the Heat, Celtics, Bulls (with Rose), and Pacers.

To say the Knicks, Nets, or Sixers are elite at this point is just foolish.

Exactly.

shep33
09-05-2012, 04:51 PM
I think they have a great team personally. Are they at Miami's level? Don't think so, but nobody really is anyways. I expect them to have the 3rd-5th best record out east.

Hump, Lopez, Mirza, Crash, Deron, Joe, Marshon, CJ Watson, Reggie Evans... that's a pretty darn good team right there. Nice balance, and 2 deep at every position. I think the East goes like this:

1)Miami
2)Indy
3)Boston (they have vets and won't really care too much about the regular season)
4)Sixers
5)Nets
6)Knicks
7)Bulls (Love Thibs, but offensively it's going to be tough without Rose). The dude is their offense
8)Hawks

I edited this like 4 times

koreancabbage
09-05-2012, 04:55 PM
right now, playoff contender. I want to see how this team plays before we start crowning them championship contenders.

DoMeFavors
09-05-2012, 05:35 PM
Do the Nets need a Jason Kidd to be on the NYKs level? Because they have proved they are an 6-8 seed the past 2 years

Kashmir13579
09-05-2012, 05:38 PM
Not a chance.

DoMeFavors
09-05-2012, 05:39 PM
Btw pacers are o-v-e-r-a-t-e-d!!!!

Kashmir13579
09-05-2012, 05:50 PM
Btw pacers are o-v-e-r-a-t-e-d!!!!

Whats up with your sig, dude?

zB_#85
09-05-2012, 05:54 PM
they are absolutely contenders...for most improved team. Otherwise, no.

RLundi
09-05-2012, 06:03 PM
I don't think so.

But top 5 in the east isn't bad...

JoeDirt05
09-05-2012, 06:05 PM
never

DoMeFavors
09-05-2012, 06:10 PM
As far as im concerned this is our title to lose, nobody can beat us

D12 fan
09-05-2012, 06:11 PM
Btw pacers are o-v-e-r-a-t-e-d!!!!

The Pacers are underrated nobody talks about them as a contender,they gave Miami a tough fight,the series would have went 7games if the Pacers had gave the ball to Hibbert more,he was too good for Anthony/Turiaf.

ThunderousDemon
09-05-2012, 06:12 PM
No

Super.
09-05-2012, 06:13 PM
As far as im concerned this is our title to lose, nobody can beat us

http://i.imgur.com/KFn6g.gif

D12 fan
09-05-2012, 06:17 PM
Man I try to give the Nets some respect,but DoMeFavors had to ruin it and make Nets fans look bad.

JOhnnyTHaJet
09-05-2012, 06:18 PM
Man I try to give the Nets some respect,but DoMeFavors had to ruin it and make Nets fans look bad.

What did you expect when making a Nets thread? It always happens.

DoMeFavors
09-05-2012, 06:21 PM
The Pacers are underrated nobody talks about them as a contender,they gave Miami a tough fight,the series would have went 7games if the Pacers had gave the ball to Hibbert more,he was too good for Anthony/Turiaf.

Yeah without Bosh

Pacers are going to be the new Bucks this year, the Bucks in 09-10 had a great year then the next year fell off..that will be Indiana this year.

Gibby23
09-05-2012, 06:22 PM
Depends how fast they gel as a team, and having a PG like D Will makes that part easy for a team with new players. I like the team and think they can be the 2 seed out east.

JOhnnyTHaJet
09-05-2012, 06:29 PM
Yeah without Bosh

Pacers are going to be the new Bucks this year, the Bucks in 09-10 had a great year then the next year fell off..that will be Indiana this year.

The Bucks were the sixth seed compared to the Pacers who were the 3rd seed? I wouldnt exactly call the Bucks year "great". The Pacers had more success, there was justification as to why the Bucks failed to get to the playoffs after 09-10, bad comparison.

D12 fan
09-05-2012, 06:29 PM
What did you expect when making a Nets thread? It always happens.

I forgot DoMeFavors was a Nets fan.:facepalm:Stupid me!

ATX
09-05-2012, 06:39 PM
Pacers are not overrated...I can see the argument that the Nets could be better, but until proven otherwise I still have Indiana ranked higher. Nets are a 4-6 seed IMO, and thus much improved, but a contender for the 2012-2013 Larry O'Brian trophy? No, not yet, but with the bazillionaire owner, they could be after a year or two...

Hawkeye15
09-05-2012, 06:43 PM
Absolutely not. They have a terrible defense, no depth, have yet to build chemistry, and their star shooting guard taking up nearly 1/3 of the payroll routinely disappears in the playoffs. They are relevant again, and should fight for HCA in round 1, but they are going to get smoked by Miami or Boston most likely, and Chicago the year following. I also think Indiana is a better team. There are at least 3-8 teams out west that would beat them up as well. So no, I don't have them as contenders at all.

Hawkeye15
09-05-2012, 06:46 PM
The Pacers have chemistry, defense, and have been playoff tested. No way I put the Nets ahead of them going into the season. None.

DoMeFavors
09-05-2012, 06:54 PM
Absolutely not. They have a terrible defense, no depth, have yet to build chemistry, and their star shooting guard taking up nearly 1/3 of the payroll routinely disappears in the playoffs. They are relevant again, and should fight for HCA in round 1, but they are going to get smoked by Miami or Boston most likely, and Chicago the year following. I also think Indiana is a better team. There are at least 3-8 teams out west that would beat them up as well. So no, I don't have them as contenders at all.

How is me saying Pacers arent good baiting but this isnt?

b_russ
09-05-2012, 06:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FshkO8HqQ10

Hawkeye15
09-05-2012, 06:58 PM
How is me saying Pacers arent good baiting but this isnt?

That isn't what you said. Nice try however.

DoMeFavors
09-05-2012, 07:01 PM
That isn't what you said. Nice try however.

Well im sorry you disagree with my confidence and your out to get me whenever you can.

Its fine

Hawkeye15
09-05-2012, 07:02 PM
DMF, you are excellent at baiting and trolling. Stop pushing the issue please.

$GangGr33n$
09-05-2012, 07:04 PM
if the knicks arent they definitely arent

DoMeFavors
09-05-2012, 07:12 PM
It is what it is, Nets are never going to get the credit they deserve.

Championship teams always have doubters, Celtics had no pg, no center, no bench. LeBron didnt have what it takes to win, The Mavericks were a joke. The Pistons had no superstar they cant beat Shaq, Kobe, Malone,Payton.

Ive heard it all before.

Punk
09-05-2012, 07:13 PM
Absolutely not. They have a terrible defense,

What does last season have to do with this season?

I'm pretty sure they weren't going to be good defensively if they only had Lopez for 5 games then used Petro, Shelden, Okur for the majority of the season.


no depth, have yet to build chemistry
They have depth at every position besides PF/C. Which would be fixed if they sign two quality players.

You mean to tell me CJ Watson, Marshon Brooks, Keith Bogans, Reggie Evans alone isn't a pretty okay bench?

And they have yet to build chemistry? Well, that should be used for every single team in the league.


and their star shooting guard taking up nearly 1/3 of the payroll routinely disappears in the playoffs.
Okay and that was with him being the only offensive weapon. He's got Deron, Lopez, Teletvoic, Brooks. You have no argument here. He's on team with better pieces than than his Atlanta tenure.

He had decent numbers but not enough to be the franchise player which he simply is not. Which is why he will fit in nicely with Deron and Lopez in a lesser role, so I don't get what last season or the season before had anything to do with this.


They are relevant again, and should fight for HCA in round 1, but they are going to get smoked by Miami or Boston most likely, and Chicago the year following. I also think Indiana is a better team. There are at least 3-8 teams out west that would beat them up as well. So no, I don't have them as contenders at all.
You really don't like to make any unbias posts, lol.

DoMeFavors
09-05-2012, 07:20 PM
Dirk never lived up to his hype in the playoffs, but he won a ring.
Kobe was told he couldnt do it without Shaq, he won a ring.
LeBron was told he could never win a ring, he won a ring.
KG couldnt get far in the playoffs, he won a ring.

I mean so whatever

Hawkeye15
09-05-2012, 07:22 PM
What does last season have to do with this season?

Deron/JJ not good defenders, neither is what they bring off the bench. Defense starts out top. Lopez/Humpries/Evans poor defenders, a Euro on the way..Wallace is an averge defender now. Bench has no defenders. They will be bottom 1/3rd in the NBA on defense. Contenders are not that, unless they have a top 5 offense, which they won't.


I'm pretty sure they weren't going to be good defensively if they only had Lopez for 5 games then used Petro, Shelden, Okur for the majority of the season.

So?



They have depth at every position besides PF/C. Which would be fixed if they sign two quality players.

Explain how their depth is championship caliber. That is what this thread is about.


You mean to tell me CJ Watson, Marshon Brooks, Keith Bogans, Reggie Evans alone isn't a pretty okay bench?

Not for a contending team.


And they have yet to build chemistry? Well, that should be used for every single team in the league.

False. The contenders, outside LAL, have the same core they had last year. Something tells me Dwight Howard will fit in however.


Okay and that was with him being the only offensive weapon. He's got Deron, Lopez, Teletvoic, Brooks. You have no argument here. He's on team with better pieces than than his Atlanta tenure.

Joe Johnson was their only weapon? Really? You must not have paid much attention to Atlanta over the past 5 seasons.


He had decent numbers but not enough to be the franchise player which he simply is not. Which is why he will fit in nicely with Deron and Lopez in a lesser role, so I don't get what last season or the season before had anything to do with this.

Joe Johnson regresses in the playoffs, every single year. Fact. Outside his Phoenix run many, many years ago.


You really don't like to make any unbias posts, lol.

Seriously? The question was, "Are the Nets contenders?". That is a joke question. There is no bias needed to say hell no. They are in the east, meaning 50 wins isn't impossible, but since when is a team that finishes 10-15th offensively, and 22-25th defensively, a contender? Because that is likely where they finish.

DoMeFavors
09-05-2012, 07:26 PM
Seriously? The question was, "Are the Nets contenders?". That is a joke question. There is no bias needed to say hell no. They are in the east, meaning 50 wins isn't impossible, but since when is a team that finishes 10-15th offensively, and 22-25th defensively, a contender? Because that is likely where they finish.

How do you know what they will finish

jimm120
09-05-2012, 07:27 PM
Contenders? For the playoffs, yes.

Remember, they have been a 20 win team mostly recently.

They "only" got Joe Johnson really. They lost Morrow and Green.

But then you add in
-that Wallace will be there the whole year
-Lopez (even if he's a bad rebounder/defender) will be there all year after missing last season

They should be good.

I'm not a Nets fan. BUT for the city of Brooklyn (Best city in the world), I hope they're competitive.

End of the day, they want to increase from a 20 win team to a 40 win team by losing Morrow and Green and adding JJ, Brook, and a whole season on Wallace.

I hope they make the playoffs.

lookie8
09-05-2012, 07:35 PM
Avery Johnson said the Nets are not contenders yet,and they need to keep working hard to be a elite team.

I say the Nets are still 1 piece away from competing with the Heat/Celtics/Knicks/Pacers in the East.I don't think they have enough depth on the bench to compete with the elite teams especially in the frontcourt if Lopez/Humphries get in foul trouble they are in trouble down low.

The piece that the Nets are missing right now to become contenders is called intense defense.

JOhnnyTHaJet
09-05-2012, 07:42 PM
Contenders? For the playoffs, yes.

Remember, they have been a 20 win team mostly recently.

They "only" got Joe Johnson really. They lost Morrow and Green.

But then you add in
-that Wallace will be there the whole year
-Lopez (even if he's a bad rebounder/defender) will be there all year after missing last season

They should be good.

I'm not a Nets fan. BUT for the city of Brooklyn (Best city in the world), I hope they're competitive.

End of the day, they want to increase from a 20 win team to a 40 win team by losing Morrow and Green and adding JJ, Brook, and a whole season on Wallace.

I hope they make the playoffs.

Your post is extremely confusing and somewhat misinformed. How is losing Green and Morrow that big of a detriment? I loved both here but they never really "added" wins to the team, and even with Greens breakout he wasnt here the whole year.

This entire team has never played 1 minute together and the starting 5 has played a very limited amount of time with each other.

This offseason wasn't about adding JJ, its about finally forming a formidable starting 5 and decent enough bench.

I think you should look at the roster from the last few games and the roster now, 1000% different team.

netsgiantsyanks
09-05-2012, 07:50 PM
i lol at people who say we're the same team as last year. last year we started with

d-will
marshon brooks
deshawn stevenson
kris humphries
mehmet okur

now, we have:

d-will
joe johnson
gerald wallace
kris humphries
brook lopez

with marshon brooks, teletovic(idk how good he will play), reggie evans, among others for the bench.

if you think for one second we are the same team, you're either a idiot or just being a *******. maybe we won't get far in the playoffs this year, but ****.

lookie8
09-05-2012, 07:50 PM
Your post is extremely confusing and somewhat misinformed. How is losing Green and Morrow that big of a detriment? I loved both here but they never really "added" wins to the team, and even with Greens breakout he wasnt here the whole year.

This entire team has never played 1 minute together and the starting 5 has played a very limited amount of time with each other.

This offseason wasn't about adding JJ, its about finally forming a formidable starting 5 and decent enough bench.

If you think for a second that this team is the same with only the addition of JJ than I think you have a lot to learn.

Would have been nice if Billy King hadn't just been taking a shot on Gerald Green, and truly knew Green would be a player. Billy could have signed him to a partially guaranteed contract for this season when he brought Green up from the D-League, and Gerald would have been a Net right now

JOhnnyTHaJet
09-05-2012, 07:53 PM
Would have been nice if Billy King hadn't just been taking a shot on Gerald Green, and truly knew Green would be a player. Billy could have signed him to a partially guaranteed contract for this season when he brought Green up from the D-League, and Gerald would have been a Net right now
Would have been but hindsight is 20/20 my friend.

D12 fan
09-05-2012, 07:58 PM
The piece that the Nets are missing right now to become contenders is called intense defense.

Defense want be that big of a problem they can score with any team in the league with Dwill/Joe/Lopez they just need 2 legit backup bigs to play behind Lopez/Humphries.

Right now I say the Nets are the 5th best team in the East behind Miami/Boston/NY/Indiana.

Oldmantrash
09-05-2012, 08:03 PM
I just don't see how the Knicks are better than the Nets,

Nets won't win a championship this season, but there is no reason they won't compete for top of the Atlantic.

Sixers are far from a sure thing to be even good, and the Celtics are old.

We will see soon enough.

lookie8
09-05-2012, 08:03 PM
Would have been but hindsight is 20/20 my friend.

Agree, but kind of takes away from what a genius move it supposedly was by Billy.

lookie8
09-05-2012, 08:05 PM
I just don't see how the Knicks are better than the Nets,

Nets won't win a championship this season, but there is no reason they won't compete for top of the Atlantic.

Sixers are far from a sure thing to be even good, and the Celtics are old.

We will see soon enough.

Well, not soon enough, but eventually

More-Than-Most
09-05-2012, 08:09 PM
No they are not...They are pretenders like every other team in the East outside of Boston/Miami... All that being said They in my opinion will be around an 8 seed and are not on the same level as the sixers/knicks/Pacers. I do not understand the hype they are getting.

Hawkeye15
09-05-2012, 08:11 PM
How do you know what they will finish

call is an educated guess..

rurichie
09-05-2012, 08:14 PM
Honestly I see us at the 5th seed but could be a 3 tops

DoMeFavors
09-05-2012, 08:18 PM
This just in Nets are about to sign Andre Blatche

More-Than-Most
09-05-2012, 08:35 PM
This just in Nets are about to sign Andre Blatche

this just in there is a reason why nobody else wants him

DR_1
09-05-2012, 08:38 PM
Is this a serious thread? Nets are nowhere near contending.

Chill_Will_24
09-05-2012, 10:35 PM
What does last season have to do with this season?

I'm pretty sure they weren't going to be good defensively if they only had Lopez for 5 games then used Petro, Shelden, Okur for the majority of the season.


They have depth at every position besides PF/C. Which would be fixed if they sign two quality players.

You mean to tell me CJ Watson, Marshon Brooks, Keith Bogans, Reggie Evans alone isn't a pretty okay bench?

And they have yet to build chemistry? Well, that should be used for every single team in the league.

Okay and that was with him being the only offensive weapon. He's got Deron, Lopez, Teletvoic, Brooks. You have no argument here. He's on team with better pieces than than his Atlanta tenure.

He had decent numbers but not enough to be the franchise player which he simply is not. Which is why he will fit in nicely with Deron and Lopez in a lesser role, so I don't get what last season or the season before had anything to do with this.

You really don't like to make any unbias posts, lol.

For the first time ever i agree with your post 100%

I respect Hawkeye12 but he has a vendetta against the Nets. I do not think he has ever said a positive thing about the Nets or their players

ryang
09-05-2012, 10:56 PM
Contender for what?? State champs?? They will lose that one as well.. They are nothing better then a 6th seed who will be bounced out the first round..

lookie8
09-05-2012, 11:07 PM
Contender for what?? State champs?? They will lose that one as well.. They are nothing better then a 6th seed who will be bounced out the first round..

Has anyone ever told you how cute you are when you are being a complete and total D-Bag?

DoMeFavors
09-05-2012, 11:09 PM
Contender for what?? State champs?? They will lose that one as well.. They are nothing better then a 6th seed who will be bounced out the first round..

name 5 teams better

ryang
09-05-2012, 11:17 PM
name 5 teams better

Miami
Boston
come playoff time chicago maybe sooner
Knicks
Pacers

mrblisterdundee
09-05-2012, 11:18 PM
What the Nets need is a defensively skilled big man.

toovey107
09-05-2012, 11:21 PM
The answer is an obvious no.

lookie8
09-05-2012, 11:26 PM
Miami
Boston
come playoff time chicago maybe sooner
Knicks
Pacers

A healthy Miami team, yes.

The rest will have to prove it

DoMeFavors
09-05-2012, 11:30 PM
Miami
Boston
come playoff time chicago maybe sooner
Knicks
Pacers

no

D12 fan
09-05-2012, 11:34 PM
Why do people think Chicago will be a contender this year?I just don't see it with Rose coming off ACL surgery and Chicago lost Asik/Watson/Brewer for Bellinelli/Radmonvic/Nate the great.

Miami
Boston
Knicks
Pacers
Nets

ryang
09-05-2012, 11:35 PM
A healthy Miami team, yes.

The rest will have to prove it

The NETS will have to prove it.. Last time I checked they missed the playoffs last year and havent played a game yet.. Not the same team I know but that lineup and bench looks like a 6th seed..

ryang
09-05-2012, 11:37 PM
no

The Knicks are definetly the better basketball team as well as the pacers..

DoMeFavors
09-05-2012, 11:45 PM
The Knicks are definetly the better basketball team as well as the pacers..

I disagree and Pacers have a bunch of nobodys, nets have all stars. Knicks with Amare and Melo have done nothing.

lookie8
09-05-2012, 11:55 PM
The NETS will have to prove it.. Last time I checked they missed the playoffs last year and havent played a game yet.. Not the same team I know but that lineup and bench looks like a 6th seed..

You believe what you like, but I'd imagine that even an NBA simpleton such as yourself realizes that the Nets will not have the same team on the court as they had last year.

Of course, I may be giving you too much credit, as far as your realization capabilities.

Chill_Will_24
09-06-2012, 12:04 AM
Nets are not contenders. Not even close.

lookie8
09-06-2012, 12:10 AM
Nets are not contenders. Not even close.

If they don't play defense, you are correct.

JOhnnyTHaJet
09-06-2012, 12:15 AM
I respect Hawkeye12 but he has a vendetta against the Nets. I do not think he has ever said a positive thing about the Nets or their players

I agree , I respect Hawkeye a lot whether he's a mod or not, but DMF's has made him bitter towards this team.

ryang
09-06-2012, 12:16 AM
You believe what you like, but I'd imagine that even an NBA simpleton such as yourself realizes that the Nets will not have the same team on the court as they had last year.

Of course, I may be giving you too much credit, as far as your realization capabilities.

What?? Have you looked at the nets roster and coach?? Can you read?? I said new team I know but that team looks like a 6th seed to me.. Im a simpleton (younger people use some weird words) because I don't use advanced stats to form my opinion? Or is it because I think your nets are garbage?? Heat , celtics , knicks, pacers, and yes even the bulls are all better basketball teams as of right now.. When that changes let me know..

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 12:18 AM
I agree , I respect Hawkeye a lot whether he's a mod or not, but DMF's has made him bitter towards this team.

Damn thats crazy 1 persons opinion and confidence (which is good to have) is enough to make everyone hate the Nets.

D12 fan
09-06-2012, 12:19 AM
What?? Have you looked at the nets roster and coach?? Can you read?? I said new team I know but that team looks like a 6th seed to me.. Im a simpleton (younger people use some weird words) because I don't use advanced stats to form my opinion? Or is it because I think your nets are garbage?? Heat , celtics , knicks, pacers, and yes even the bulls are all better basketball teams as of right now.. When that changes let me know..

Bro not being a @$$,but these are a shytload of questions,you expect him to answer all of them?

lookie8
09-06-2012, 12:20 AM
What?? Have you looked at the nets roster and coach?? Can you read?? I said new team I know but that team looks like a 6th seed to me.. Im a simpleton (younger people use some weird words) because I don't use advanced stats to form my opinion? Or is it because I think your nets are garbage?? Heat , celtics , knicks, pacers, and yes even the bulls are all better basketball teams as of right now.. When that changes let me kno.

w..

Am I supposed to care what you believe?

Thus far I have not read one sentence you have posted that would lead me to believe you know anything about anything.

But keep on trying, jasper.

Even a dead clock is right twice a day,

sharqstealth
09-06-2012, 12:23 AM
A big no

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 12:27 AM
Im going to keep it funky I hate 29 other teams, I dont respect any of them. I dont like their players. Im an old school kind of fan that doesnt suck up to other teams and all that. I dont like it straight up.

I bleed black and white.

koreancabbage
09-06-2012, 12:28 AM
I disagree and Pacers have a bunch of nobodys, nets have all stars. Knicks with Amare and Melo have done nothing.

funny to say that cuz the Nets have doing yet either. So i don't know why you're getting worked up on naming 5 better teams. As of last year, all those teams were better than the Nets. Nets have not proven they are top 5 team in the East yet. Until they have, they aren't better than those teams.

Pacers have nobody? They have a better team than the Nets

as of right now, Nets are players on a piece of paper. None of those players haven proven they are championship players.

Gram
09-06-2012, 12:29 AM
Playoff team but not a contender.

Evolution23
09-06-2012, 12:32 AM
No

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 12:32 AM
Back in school I was confident that I was going to get an A+ on every test, but thats just my confidence.

ryang
09-06-2012, 12:32 AM
Am I supposed to care what you believe?

Thus far I have not read one sentence you have posted that would lead me to believe you know anything about anything.

But keep on trying, jasper.

Even a dead clock is right twice a day,

The nets will not be a contender in any way shape or form.. They will not place above the 6th seed.. Thats a fact.. Let me know when it changes.. Your a little slow huh?? I have alot of sig bets in my favor because kids like you talk out your ***.. Care to make a sig bet on something? It can be any team you want.. Since I don't know anything about basketball you should win right?? Yea disappear young one

Gram
09-06-2012, 12:32 AM
OP should have asked DoMeFavors not to post in this thread.

lookie8
09-06-2012, 12:33 AM
Playoff team but not a contender.

The season will tell the tale

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 12:34 AM
The nets will not be a contender in any way shape or form.. They will not place above the 6th seed.. Thats a fact.. Let me know when it changes.. Your a little slow huh?? I have alot of sig bets in my favor because kids like you talk out your ***.. Care to make a sig bet on something? It can be any team you want.. Since I don't know anything about basketball you should win right?? Yea disappear young one

Your facts are nothing.

Here is my own fact Nets are going to win the East.

ryang
09-06-2012, 12:35 AM
The season will tell the tale

Lets make a sig bet on your nets..

JOhnnyTHaJet
09-06-2012, 12:41 AM
You idiots still respond to DMFs?

ThunderousDemon
09-06-2012, 12:42 AM
DoMeFavors is the puppet master of PSD.

Chill_Will_24
09-06-2012, 12:59 AM
DoMeFavors is the puppet master of PSD.

He has more power than the mods. He has these kids in the palm of his hand.

BklynKnicks3
09-06-2012, 01:08 AM
contender for the 6th seed

lookie8
09-06-2012, 01:15 AM
contender for the 6th seed

Yeah, Knicks have an outside chance for the 6th seed in the East.

lookie8
09-06-2012, 01:18 AM
Lets make a sig bet on your nets..

I don't gamble. I watch NBA basketball for entertainment.

If I wanted to bet, I'd find a real bookie, not a real snookie like you.

petersmagic12
09-06-2012, 01:28 AM
I believe the nets have a legit shot for 4 th place in the east.

Whos better miami, boston, and pacers maybe chicago would be if rose was in

knicks are argueably better but they have a lot to prove for me to say they are better.

Everyones like oh nets add jj "there an elite team" There not elite obviously but there are alot more factors that go into their game then just adding jj

Gerald wallace gets to play a full season, Deron will make jj better , Brook lopez is playing a whole season, marshon brooks has full year under his belt and they just added andray blatche . They do lack depth which i admit the knicks are deeper then the nets but ill take a pg that actually moves ball around over a guy whos a ball stopper like carmelo. Amare is also on the decline so unless he improves knicks are no better then 6th seed.

2-ONE-5
09-06-2012, 09:54 AM
short answer, no
long answer, hell no

Hawkeye15
09-06-2012, 09:59 AM
For the first time ever i agree with your post 100%

I respect Hawkeye12 but he has a vendetta against the Nets. I do not think he has ever said a positive thing about the Nets or their players

Uh, I picked them over the Knicks in the east multiple times. Why is it not respectful to say I don't believe they are contenders in the slightest? They will push for 45-50 wins, but their defense will be below average, I predict bottom 1/3 in the league, and they don't have the offensive firepower to overcome their defensive shortcomings.

I am a grown man, I am not letting someone on the internet get inside my head, that is for children.

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 10:05 AM
Uh, I picked them over the Knicks in the east multiple times. Why is it not respectful to say I don't believe they are contenders in the slightest? They will push for 45-50 wins, but their defense will be below average, I predict bottom 1/3 in the league, and they don't have the offensive firepower to overcome their defensive shortcomings.

I am a grown man, I am not letting someone on the internet get inside my head, that is for children.

You have said before the Knicks and Nets fans annoy you.

Hawkeye15
09-06-2012, 10:14 AM
You have said before the Knicks and Nets fans annoy you.

Some of them do, sure. Some of every fan base annoys me, including my own. Your point?

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 10:22 AM
Some of them do, sure. Some of every fan base annoys me, including my own. Your point?

There is no point I respect you a lot you are one of my favorite posters, but the way you reply and put down my opinions hurts my feelings.
You call me a troll and all that, none of my posts are good enough for you. Everytime I write my opinion its always a reply putting me down.

Personally I think I am one of the best posters on this site and I devot a lot of time reading all the threads, I dont even make threads I just reply but you call me a troll.

OZknickerbocker
09-06-2012, 10:24 AM
Your facts are nothing.

Here is my own fact Nets are going to win the East.

miami heat
chicago bulls
new york knicks
boston celtics
indiana pacers
philidelphia 76ers

6 teams the nets will not get past in any offseason scenario

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 10:27 AM
miami heat
chicago bulls
new york knicks
boston celtics
indiana pacers
philidelphia 76ers

6 teams the nets will not get past in any offseason scenario

None except Miami Heat and Boston even tingle me.

29$JerZ
09-06-2012, 10:40 AM
To be a contender you need to have a great defense or have an elite offense that it offsets poor defense.
Brooklyn has neither, they aren't contenders. Just winning 10 more games than last season will be an immense accomplishment.

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 10:42 AM
To be a contender you need to have a great defense or have an elite offense that it offsets poor defense.
Brooklyn has neither, they aren't contenders. Just winning 10 more games than last season will be an immense accomplishment.

You post this 5 times a day, why do you keep posting it?

I know deep down you know the Nets are a legit top 5 team in the NBA

29$JerZ
09-06-2012, 10:43 AM
Denial runs strong in your blood. Keep pumping it. They aren't even top 3 in their own division.

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 10:45 AM
Denial runs strong in your blood. Keep pumping it. They aren't even top 3 in their own division.

Denial there is no denial when you know you are good, I am just confident.

You will see come April

29$JerZ
09-06-2012, 10:48 AM
Nets aren't contenders. Few years away from that and since their CAP situation is terrible I don't see much change to reach that goal.

lookie8
09-06-2012, 10:50 AM
To be a contender you need to have a great defense or have an elite offense that it offsets poor defense.
Brooklyn has neither, they aren't contenders. Just winning 10 more games than last season will be an immense accomplishment.

A) Which of those do Knicks possess?

B) Something wrong with the Nets offense?

Hawkeye15
09-06-2012, 10:51 AM
Nets aren't contenders. Few years away from that and since their CAP situation is terrible I don't see much change to reach that goal.

Not trying to change the subject, but cap hell is exactly why the Knicks aren't contending for a few years as well most likely. Both NY teams went all in over the past few years, and now have the team they are going to have in principal, for the next 3 years. Neither team as constructed is winning an NBA championship imho.

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 10:52 AM
Nets aren't contenders. Few years away from that and since their CAP situation is terrible I don't see much change to reach that goal.

I dont have to say anything ill let the games do the talking.

All the championships teams get this talk from people, they arent good enough. Thats what they all say.

Hawkeye15
09-06-2012, 10:52 AM
A) Which of those do Knicks possess?

B) Something wrong with the Nets offense?

Nothing is "wrong" with the Nets offense, it just isn't good enough to offset what will probably be a pretty weak defense.

lookie8
09-06-2012, 10:54 AM
miami heat
chicago bulls
new york knicks
boston celtics
indiana pacers
philidelphia 76ers

6 teams the nets will not get past in any offseason scenario

Don't have to get passed them in the offseason.

29$JerZ
09-06-2012, 10:55 AM
A) Which of those do Knicks possess?

B) Something wrong with the Nets offense?

Irrelevant. This is about the Nets.

They'll be an offensive team but I don't see them being top 10 in offense.
If you are thinking contender they need a pretty elite offense to offset their mediocre defense against teams like Miami, Boston, Indy and even their own division. As a contending team they are pretty low on that bar as of now.

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 10:56 AM
Irrelevant. This is about the Nets.

They'll be an offensive team but I don't see them being top 10 in offense.
If you are thinking contender they need a pretty elite offense to offset their mediocre defense against teams like Miami, Boston, Indy and even their own division. As a contending team they are pretty low on that bar as of now.

Yet your basing this point off of nothing but your hopes and dreams.

OZknickerbocker
09-06-2012, 10:57 AM
None except Miami Heat and Boston even tingle me.

thats because your clueless,

your always saying the knicks have something to prove... Im sorry but atleast we made the playoffs last year so that would mean the nets have more to prove then we do...
why you think signing an overated player and moving into another teams market makes the nets a contender is beyond me
the nets wont break the top 6, they will be lucky to get swept by the heat in the first round

Hustla23
09-06-2012, 10:57 AM
The Nets are a pretty decent team. They're definitely not contenders, though.

EastNYLos
09-06-2012, 10:58 AM
There is no point I respect you a lot you are one of my favorite posters, but the way you reply and put down my opinions hurts my feelings.
You call me a troll and all that, none of my posts are good enough for you. Everytime I write my opinion its always a reply putting me down.

Personally I think I am one of the best posters on this site and I devot a lot of time reading all the threads, I dont even make threads I just reply but you call me a troll.

:laugh2::laugh2::cry::laugh2::laugh2:

OZknickerbocker
09-06-2012, 10:59 AM
Don't have to get passed them in the offseason.

my bad haha (playoff scenario*)

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 11:00 AM
thats because your clueless,

your always saying the knicks have something to prove... Im sorry but atleast we made the playoffs last year so that would mean the nets have more to prove then we do...
why you think signing an overated player and moving into another teams market makes the nets a contender is beyond me
the nets wont break the top 6, they will be lucky to get swept by the heat in the first round

Why would Nets be lucky to be swept by the Heat?

We dont consider that as an achievement to get swept in the playoffs like Knick fans do.

We aspire to win gold.

Vinny642
09-06-2012, 11:00 AM
Not to beat OKC Miami or LA

koreancabbage
09-06-2012, 11:01 AM
There is no point I respect you a lot you are one of my favorite posters, but the way you reply and put down my opinions hurts my feelings.
You call me a troll and all that, none of my posts are good enough for you. Everytime I write my opinion its always a reply putting me down.

Personally I think I am one of the best posters on this site and I devot a lot of time reading all the threads, I dont even make threads I just reply but you call me a troll.

its because all of your opinions are so biased. Nets the best and the rest of the teams suck kind of mentality.

How are you one of the best posters on this site if you can't even acknowledge a single weakness of your own team? Eddy Curry, Andre Blatche are good players?

you are the definition of a homer. no one takes your responses seriously. You are worse than Stephen A. Smith at being a troll LOL

29$JerZ
09-06-2012, 11:05 AM
Yet your basing this point off of nothing but your hopes and dreams.
Nope. I base my opinion off every possible variable. I make educated guesses. Not perfect buts it's a lot more reasonable that the reasons you have given for the nets to be a contender.


Not trying to change the subject, but cap hell is exactly why the Knicks aren't contending for a few years as well most likely. Both NY teams went all in over the past few years, and now have the team they are going to have in principal, for the next 3 years. Neither team as constructed is winning an NBA championship imho.
The FO agreed with my premise about a 3 yr window and loaded up. I personally love what we did since if we don't win in 3 years we can instantly rebuild and have all our 1st rounders moving forward. At this point Making the 2nd round is a huge accomplishment for NY. Title talk shouldn't even be discussed until Melo and Amare actually show signs of working great together.

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 11:07 AM
Nope. I base my opinion off every possible variable. I make educated guesses. Not perfect buts it's a lot more reasonable that the reasons you have given for the nets to be a contender.


The FO agreed with my premise about a 3 yr window and loaded up. I personally love what we did since if we don't win in 3 years we can instantly rebuild and have all our 1st rounders moving forward. At this point Making the 2nd round is a huge accomplishment for NY. Title talk shouldn't even be discussed until Melo and Amare actually show signs of working great together.

Deron
Wallace
Lopez
JJ

all come off in 4 years at the same time.

nycericanguy
09-06-2012, 11:12 AM
I have BK at about 47 wins.

They'll be good, but I doubt contenders. Lopez has to bounce back from serious injuries and show that he's not just a player that can put up 18ppg on horrible teams.

Wallace is a year older and a year further in decline, same applies to JJ. Joe Johnson at this point is just a volume scorer, not very efficient and not really quick enough anymore to guard opposing 2's.

Their bench is very thin, and you'd be hard to pressed to think that Lopez & Wallace will play all 82 games.

Hawkeye15
09-06-2012, 11:12 AM
The FO agreed with my premise about a 3 yr window and loaded up. I personally love what we did since if we don't win in 3 years we can instantly rebuild and have all our 1st rounders moving forward. At this point Making the 2nd round is a huge accomplishment for NY. Title talk shouldn't even be discussed until Melo and Amare actually show signs of working great together.

Yep, I know the plan. I personally think they picked the wrong 2 stars to build around, but the plan itself is fine. I also agree that going into this season, making the 2nd round would be a great step forward. I am interested to see if Amare can regain some of his offensive strengths with a real PG situation working from day 1.

lookie8
09-06-2012, 11:15 AM
Yep, I know the plan. I personally think they picked the wrong 2 stars to build around, but the plan itself is fine. I also agree that going into this season, making the 2nd round would be a great step forward. I am interested to see if Amare can regain some of his offensive strengths with a real PG situation working from day 1.

Raymond Felton=real PG?

nycericanguy
09-06-2012, 11:18 AM
Raymond Felton=real PG?

Kidd & Felton are the best PG's NY has had in a long time outside of a 20 game run by Lin.

Even when we had Billups we had no legit backup.

I personally feel Kidd is better suited to start and orchestrate, and then you let Felton run and gun with the 2nd unit.

Felton
JR
Brewer
Novak
Camby

is a hell of a 2nd unit.

They're going to give it a 3 year run, hopefully add a piece or two. And if it doesn't work out you rebuild around a 30 year old Melo, Shump, draft picks and whoever else you want to resign at a cheaper price.

OZknickerbocker
09-06-2012, 11:19 AM
Why would Nets be lucky to be swept by the Heat?

We dont consider that as an achievement to get swept in the playoffs like Knick fans do.

We aspire to win gold.

because thats the best thing the nets have to look forward to is a first round exit against an established team...
And you might aspire to win gold but as of yet, nets aint won s@$%

nycericanguy
09-06-2012, 11:21 AM
Yep, I know the plan. I personally think they picked the wrong 2 stars to build around, but the plan itself is fine. I also agree that going into this season, making the 2nd round would be a great step forward. I am interested to see if Amare can regain some of his offensive strengths with a real PG situation working from day 1.

Its not exactly easy to pick and choose stars in this league.

But Tyson is just as much of a star on this team as Amare.

This is the "no excuses" year for NY. They have a legit well rounded deep team, an actual PG, a stable head coach, and will finally have a training camp.

Would be a big disappointment if this team didn't win at least 52 games and make it to the 2nd round at the very least.

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 11:24 AM
Kidd & Felton are the best PG's NY has had in a long time outside of a 20 game run by Lin.

Even when we had Billups we had no legit backup.

I personally feel Kidd is better suited to start and orchestrate, and then you let Felton run and gun with the 2nd unit.

Felton
JR
Brewer
Novak
Camby

is a hell of a 2nd unit.

They're going to give it a 3 year run, hopefully add a piece or two. And if it doesn't work out you rebuild around a 30 year old Melo, Shump, draft picks and whoever else you want to resign at a cheaper price.

Your thinking of Jason Kidd like he is still in his early Dallas days or Felton from NY, both had REALLY bad years last year.

nycericanguy
09-06-2012, 11:29 AM
Your thinking of Jason Kidd like he is still in his early Dallas days or Felton from NY, both had REALLY bad years last year.

No I'm not. Kidd can still play for at least 20mpg.

He started and played almost 40mpg against OKC in the playoffs and averaged 12ppg 6rpg 6apg. The year before that he started on a title team. You act like NY needs him to play 35MPG and go back to his glory NJ days. If last year showed anything it was that NY desperately just needed a decent PG that could run an offense. When we had to rely on Douglas and Bibby it forced Melo to have to do too much.

Felton came in last year fat... no one's going to deny that. But he got himself in better shape late in the year and was back to his old self.

He averaged 14ppg 7apg & 4rpg on 47% shooting the last month or so. He'll be just fine, he's more proven and is a better defender than Lin. Felton already looks in much better shape, theres no way he's going to come in fat again this year.

OZknickerbocker
09-06-2012, 11:33 AM
since woodson took over the head coaching job the knicks have the best record in the nba, mike d'antoni was holding this team back by trying to prove his sytem can work...

Back to the topic, the nets are not contenders simply because they do not have a good enough team to beat teams that are proven contenders, and IMO in the east they are the heat celtics and pacers

lets not turn this into knicks vs. Nets
because the nets lose that one too ;)

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 11:34 AM
No I'm not. Kidd can still play for at least 20mpg.

He started and played almost 40mpg against OKC in the playoffs and averaged 12ppg 6rpg 6apg. The year before that he started on a title team. You act like NY needs him to play 35MPG and go back to his glory NJ days. If last year showed anything it was that NY desperately just needed a decent PG that could run an offense. When we had to rely on Douglas and Bibby it forced Melo to have to do too much.

Felton came in last year fat... no one's going to deny that. But he got himself in better shape late in the year and was back to his old self.

He averaged 14ppg 7apg & 4rpg on 47% shooting the last month or so. He'll be just fine, he's more proven and is a better defender than Lin. Felton already looks in much better shape, theres no way he's going to come in fat again this year.

Yeah he started on that title team only a year ago but a year ago his age is like 5 years more for a player in his 20s. He is so old and slow...and if he lasts his entire 3 year contract thats scary.

Rondo is going to destroy Felton and Same with Deron he cant keep up with them..and nobody in the playoffs takes Felton as the PG seriously.

Hawkeye15
09-06-2012, 11:38 AM
Raymond Felton=real PG?

Yes. Doesn't mean he is a top half of the league starting caliber PG, but he is an actual PG. The Knicks marched out Iman Shupmert to play PG at times last year before Lin exploded. Having a real PG rotation should help Stat's game.

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 11:39 AM
since woodson took over the head coaching job the knicks have the best record in the nba, mike d'antoni was holding this team back by trying to prove his sytem can work...

Back to the topic, the nets are not contenders simply because they do not have a good enough team to beat teams that are proven contenders, and IMO in the east they are the heat celtics and pacers

lets not turn this into knicks vs. Nets
because the nets lose that one too ;)

i dont have the info but I bet Spurs had a better record since that time.

lookie8
09-06-2012, 11:39 AM
since woodson took over the head coaching job the knicks have the best record in the nba, mike d'antoni was holding this team back by trying to prove his sytem can work...

Back to the topic, the nets are not contenders simply because they do not have a good enough team to beat teams that are proven contenders, and IMO in the east they are the heat celtics and pacers

lets not turn this into knicks vs. Nets
because the nets lose that one too ;)

Nets have a good team.

And Felton worked in D'Antoni's system. Let's see how he works in Woodson's

Hawkeye15
09-06-2012, 11:39 AM
Its not exactly easy to pick and choose stars in this league.

But Tyson is just as much of a star on this team as Amare.

This is the "no excuses" year for NY. They have a legit well rounded deep team, an actual PG, a stable head coach, and will finally have a training camp.

Would be a big disappointment if this team didn't win at least 52 games and make it to the 2nd round at the very least.

Well, its easier than just throwing money at the big names, or trading for a disgruntled star who has never shown the ability to lead talented teams deep into the playoffs. Chandler was by far their best move in all of this.

Your expecatations are realistic at least, though I think 45 wins should be the minimum for acceptance, not 52.

OZknickerbocker
09-06-2012, 11:41 AM
i dont have the info but I bet Spurs had a better record since that time.

and you would be wrong

lookie8
09-06-2012, 11:44 AM
since woodson took over the head coaching job the knicks have the best record in the nba, mike d'antoni was holding this team back by trying to prove his sytem can work

Does that best record thing extend into the playoffs?

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 11:45 AM
and you would be wrong

really they didnt win like 20 games straight going into the playoffs?

OZknickerbocker
09-06-2012, 11:49 AM
not including playoffs, were the knicks hahaha
i recall being 18-6 under woodson (bar playoffs)

Hawkeye15
09-06-2012, 11:50 AM
Does that best record thing extend into the playoffs?

haha, obviously not. Furthermore, how can anyone read into what a team's record is when an interm coach takes over late, when its very typical for teams to play harder over a short time period, which is exactly what we are measuring?

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 11:52 AM
not including playoffs, were the knicks hahaha
i recall being 18-6 under woodson (bar playoffs)

Who cares what the Knicks were at any point nobody cares about a regular season ending when they lost yet again in the 1st round.
I dont see why Knick fans get so excited nobody brags about that stuff except Knick fans.
Win a playoff series.

lookie8
09-06-2012, 11:53 AM
not including playoffs, were the knicks hahaha
i recall being 18-6 under woodson (bar playoffs)

But the playoffs are the important part of the season, right?

KnickaBocka.44
09-06-2012, 11:55 AM
The Spurs were actually 21-3 during the same stretch as the knicks were 18-6. Just sayin....lets try and keep it real.

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 11:56 AM
The Spurs were actually 21-3 during the same stretch as the knicks were 18-6. Just sayin....lets try and keep it real.

Like I said, I DONT LIE

lookie8
09-06-2012, 11:58 AM
Like I said, I DONT LIE

Ever? Because now I'll be checking your posts for lies.

OZknickerbocker
09-06-2012, 11:59 AM
haha, obviously not. Furthermore, how can anyone read into what a team's record is when an interm coach takes over late, when its very typical for teams to play harder over a short time period, which is exactly what we are measuring?

fair enough, i agree that melo was out to prove something after getting mike d sacked...

Bellz
09-06-2012, 11:59 AM
Denial there is no denial when you know you are good, I am just confident.

You will see come April

How's Melo and D12 treating ya?:D

Bellz
09-06-2012, 12:02 PM
Who cares what the Knicks were at any point nobody cares about a regular season ending when they lost yet again in the 1st round.
I dont see why Knick fans get so excited nobody brags about that stuff except Knick fans.
Win a playoff series.

Contradict yourself in almost all your post towards any team. You say Knicks fans should be excited about MAKING THE PLAYOFFS? Yet you get excited because your team had added a B level star in JJ to a 20 win team and that jumps you too a top team in the nba?lol Can I have the **** you smoke bro my guys been giving me some weak stuff lately.

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 12:02 PM
How's Melo and D12 treating ya?:D

Deron and Joe are treating me fine

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 12:05 PM
Contradict yourself in almost all your post towards any team. You say Knicks fans should be excited about MAKING THE PLAYOFFS? Yet you get excited because your team had added a B level star in JJ to a 20 win team and that jumps you too a top team in the nba?lol Can I have the **** you smoke bro my guys been giving me some weak stuff lately.

No I dont put stuff like that in my blood stream or body, I have a life I would like to live. I prefer to live life the real way.

OZknickerbocker
09-06-2012, 12:08 PM
Who cares what the Knicks were at any point nobody cares about a regular season ending when they lost yet again in the 1st round.
I dont see why Knick fans get so excited nobody brags about that stuff except Knick fans.
Win a playoff series.

win a playoff series? Il brag over ending the reg. Season in fashion....

Im seeing nets fans think they will go from missing the playoffs to contending for a championchip because of joe flipping johnson
so dont attack our fanbase

OZknickerbocker
09-06-2012, 12:13 PM
No I dont put stuff like that in my blood stream or body, I have a life I would like to live. I prefer to live life the real way.

dmt is produced in your brain naturally and causes you too dream, so "stuff like that" is in your body no matter what, and by all your posts id say your getting more then the average dose

lookie8
09-06-2012, 12:13 PM
win a playoff series? Il brag over ending the reg. Season in fashion....

Im seeing nets fans think they will go from missing the playoffs to contending for a championchip because of joe flipping johnson
so dont attack our fanbase

Nets went from missing the playoffs to two straight Finals appearances after making the right roster moves.

I'd love to see that happen again.

Or they might just finish the season in style, and wind up winning one playoff game.

OZknickerbocker
09-06-2012, 12:20 PM
Nets went from missing the playoffs to two straight Finals appearances after making the right roster moves.

I'd love to see that happen again.

Or they might just finish the season in style, and wind up winning one playoff game.

vince carter in his prime > joe johnson at any point in his career
kenyon martin in his prime > gerald wallace on the decline
j kidd (prime) equal? - deron

and fyi finishing the season and style and winning a playoff game is better then NOT MAKING THE PLAYOFFS

and i wasnt saying its impossible
the heat went from not making the playoffs to finals appearance aswell

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 12:23 PM
vince carter in his prime > joe johnson at any point in his career
kenyon martin in his prime > gerald wallace on the decline
j kidd (prime) equal? - deron

and fyi finishing the season and style and winning a playoff game is better then NOT MAKING THE PLAYOFFS

and i wasnt saying its impossible
the heat went from not making the playoffs to finals appearance aswell

How long have you been a basketball fan because Vince Carter didnt become a Net untill 2 years after their finals apprerance.

EastNYLos
09-06-2012, 12:26 PM
haha, obviously not. Furthermore, how can anyone read into what a team's record is when an interm coach takes over late, when its very typical for teams to play harder over a short time period, which is exactly what we are measuring?

Ok bro I was with you until you said this. Please name one time when an interim coach has took over at the end of the season and has had as much success as woodson did.I'm sorry but your statement is on par with something dome would say just stupid:facepalm:

EastNYLos
09-06-2012, 12:29 PM
vince carter in his prime > joe johnson at any point in his career
kenyon martin in his prime > gerald wallace on the decline
j kidd (prime) equal? - deron

and fyi finishing the season and style and winning a playoff game is better then NOT MAKING THE PLAYOFFS

and i wasnt saying its impossible
the heat went from not making the playoffs to finals appearance aswell

Your crazy bro dwill isn't even half the pg j kidd was when he was on the nets:facepalm: I'd compare dwill to marbury as of now. Both put up good numbers but both played on lottery teams.

OZknickerbocker
09-06-2012, 12:29 PM
oops :/, when vc and rj where there it was my favourite nets team, my bad

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 12:30 PM
Your crazy bro dwill isn't even half the pg j kidd was when he was on the nets:facepalm: I'd compare dwill to marbury as of now. Both put up good numbers but both played on lottery teams.

He played on 1 lottery team with Shelden as his c and Stevenson as his sf

OZknickerbocker
09-06-2012, 12:32 PM
Your crazy bro dwill isn't even half the pg j kidd was when he was on the nets:facepalm: I'd compare dwill to marbury as of now. Both put up good numbers but both played on lottery teams.

im not a d-will fan so ill agree with you there, but he made the playoffs a bunch of times with the jazz

EastNYLos
09-06-2012, 12:33 PM
He played on 1 lottery team with Shelden as his c and Stevenson as his sf

The nets were in the lottery when he got traded to them :facepalm: 2 lottery teams and who cares jason kidd never had really great talent and he went to the finals with the nets.

lookie8
09-06-2012, 12:34 PM
vince carter in his prime > joe johnson at any point in his career
kenyon martin in his prime > gerald wallace on the decline
j kidd (prime) equal? - deron

and fyi finishing the season and style and winning a playoff game is better then NOT MAKING THE PLAYOFFS

and i wasnt saying its impossible
the heat went from not making the playoffs to finals appearance aswell

Vince Carter is the biggest dog to ever play in the NBA, and never got to the ECF as a Net.
Kenyon PF-Wallace SF
Kidd & Williams about equal. The specialize in different things
Humph is a better rebounder than any Net finalist.
Collins vs. Lopez. Having an inside presence means a lot.

EastNYLos
09-06-2012, 12:34 PM
im not a d-will fan so ill agree with you there, but he made the playoffs a bunch of times with the jazz

:facepalm: whats your point we are talking about him on the nets.

nycericanguy
09-06-2012, 12:37 PM
Well, its easier than just throwing money at the big names, or trading for a disgruntled star who has never shown the ability to lead talented teams deep into the playoffs. Chandler was by far their best move in all of this.

Your expecatations are realistic at least, though I think 45 wins should be the minimum for acceptance, not 52.

I don't see how you could say that. You can't tell me that this roster now isn't a DRAMATIC improvement from what they had going into last year without even having a training camp.

Yet you expect them to actually have the same or lower winning % as last year?

lookie8
09-06-2012, 12:39 PM
The nets were in the lottery when he got traded to them :facepalm: 2 lottery teams and who cares jason kidd never had really great talent and he went to the finals with the nets.

Williams getting Jazz to the WCF is easily the equivalent of Kidd getting the Nets to the Finals when the Eastern Conf was so weak.

OZknickerbocker
09-06-2012, 12:42 PM
:facepalm: whats your point we are talking about him on the nets.

are you daft? They wont be a lottery team this year, so that means your talking about 1 1/2 seasons from him, he has put up big numbers for a while now and only got put in the lottery after being traded there?:facepalm:

DR_1
09-06-2012, 12:52 PM
Why do people think Chicago will be a contender this year?I just don't see it with Rose coming off ACL surgery and Chicago lost Asik/Watson/Brewer for Bellinelli/Radmonvic/Nate the great.

Miami
Boston
Knicks
Pacers
Nets

:laugh:

Trollololol

EastNYLos
09-06-2012, 12:53 PM
Williams getting Jazz to the WCF is easily the equivalent of Kidd getting the Nets to the Finals when the Eastern Conf was so weak. dwill's jazz teams were better then the nets teams that went to the finals


are you daft? They wont be a lottery team this year, so that means your talking about 1 1/2 seasons from him, he has put up big numbers for a while now and only got put in the lottery after being traded there?:facepalm:

daft:confused: LMAO...He still should have got them more wins after he was traded and he played a whole season with them last year with no major imrovement. I've argued this point with people before if cp3 can make the hornets get into the playoffs with about the same amount of talent dwill had last year. Then why can't dwill do it i agree they should make the playoffs this year.

WAYNEBO
09-06-2012, 12:54 PM
I would say they're in the same boat as the Knicks and Sixers.

A slight notch below the Heat, Celtics, Bulls (with Rose), and Pacers.

To say the Knicks, Nets, or Sixers are elite at this point is just foolish.

With the Bulls bench exodus, and the Pacers overpaying for Hibby, I don't see them as elite. Contenders, yes but not elite. Knicks handled the Pacers in back to back games -- they don't match up well with NYK. Thank you Mr. Tyson.

D12 fan
09-06-2012, 12:55 PM
:laugh:

Trollololol

How is that trolling,Chicago is not a contender this year,unless you expect Drose to be 100% healthy by the playoffs?

lookie8
09-06-2012, 12:55 PM
dwill's jazz teams were better then the nets teams that went to the finals

Based on what?

And the West was much tougher than the East.

OZknickerbocker
09-06-2012, 01:07 PM
How is that trolling,Chicago is not a contender this year,unless you expect Drose to be 100% healthy by the playoffs?

it doesnt happen often but i totally agree.
IMO bulls should let rose sit out this year and heal, next year the bulls are back in contention for a title

OZknickerbocker
09-06-2012, 01:12 PM
dwill's jazz teams were better then the nets teams that went to the finals



daft:confused: LMAO...He still should have got them more wins after he was traded and he played a whole season with them last year with no major imrovement. I've argued this point with people before if cp3 can make the hornets get into the playoffs with about the same amount of talent dwill had last year. Then why can't dwill do it i agree they should make the playoffs this year.

not making the playoffs doesnt mean your not a good player, i dont get why your picking at me, i hate deron williams, and at the end of the day, if they make the playoffs this year, its thanks to jj

koreancabbage
09-06-2012, 01:15 PM
:laugh:

Trollololol

I don't think many people are expecting Chicago to contend until Rose gets back. Right now, without Rose, they are regular season team. That being said, we may not know what kind of Rose we will see back on the court- a person who will take more jumpshots than drive to the rim b/c of his injury? we don't know how the injury might affect him in games.

i hope Rose is okay but realistically, Bulls are not competing for a championship team till Rose gets back.

Bellz
09-06-2012, 01:20 PM
Ok bro I was with you until you said this. Please name one time when an interim coach has took over at the end of the season and has had as much success as woodson did.I'm sorry but your statement is on par with something dome would say just stupid:facepalm:

When Lawrence Frank took over for the nets when scott was fired didn't he run off like 17-0 or something like that?

WAYNEBO
09-06-2012, 01:23 PM
I disagree and Pacers have a bunch of nobodys, nets have all stars. Knicks with Amare and Melo have done nothing.

So Genius, what have the Nets done? You can't argue with a man who has 1 loaf of bread, when you have none.

lookie8
09-06-2012, 01:38 PM
So Genius, what have the Nets done? You can't argue with a man who has 1 loaf of bread, when you have none.

That may be the most idiotic post I have ever read.

Does having a loaf of bread make you immune to arguments?

What the Nets have done is win more than one playoff game in the last 11 years.

Gimme that freakin' loaf of bread.

lookie8
09-06-2012, 01:40 PM
when lawrence frank took over for the nets when scott was fired didn't he run off like 17-0 or something like that?

13-0

EastNYLos
09-06-2012, 01:42 PM
Based on what?

And the West was much tougher than the East.

Based on the jazz had better players:facepalm: millsap Boozer in his prime korver okur the list goes on and a hof coach. While kidd had kmart in his prime who was a beast but the rest of his team was pathetic. With the likes of kerry kittles kieth van horn and idk even know who else he had. Jason kidd was just that great and a top 5 pg all time. To make that team even make the playoffs let alone finals

lookie8
09-06-2012, 01:44 PM
Based on the jazz had better players:facepalm: millsap Boozer in his prime korver okur the list goes on and a hof coach. While kidd had kmart in his prime who was a beast but the rest of his team was pathetic. With the likes of kerry kittles kieth van horn and idk even know who else he had. Jason kidd was just that great and a top 5 pg all time. To make that team even make the playoffs let alone finals

Guess you didn't watch that Nets team play. They were built for Kidd's game.

For Utah, Korver wasn't there, Milsap avgd 6.8 ppg and Okur wasn't as good as KVH.

Stop talking out of your BVDs

NYTHRILLZ97
09-06-2012, 01:49 PM
the nets aint good at al they got brook lopez and jo jonson bid deal!!!!!!!!!! how many games did they win last year i no it wasnt alot!no way in the worlddo they hav a better recod then the knicks.... my friend think they will but they wont.... melo will b on amother planet this year better then lebron

EastNYLos
09-06-2012, 01:49 PM
When Lawrence Frank took over for the nets when scott was fired didn't he run off like 17-0 or something like that?

you right but the nets traded kmart away the following season. Which messed that nets team up. While my knicks are keeping the same team and adding to it big difference and oh yeah 13-0. Woodson did it longer and took a lottery bound team to the 7th seed going 18-6 :clap:

lookie8
09-06-2012, 01:51 PM
you right but the nets traded kmart away the following season. Which messed that nets team up. While my knicks are keeping the same team and adding to it big difference and oh yeah 13-0. Woodson did it longer and took a lottery bound team to the 7th seed going 18-6 :clap:

Frank made it to the 2nd rd in that 1st year.

And Knicks were tied for the 8th seed when D'Antoni was fired.

EastNYLos
09-06-2012, 01:59 PM
Guess you didn't watch that Nets team play. They were built for Kidd's game.

For Utah, Korver wasn't there, Milsap avgd 6.8 ppg and Okur wasn't as good as KVH.

Stop talking out of your BVDs

lmao korver was there genius and built for kidds game:facepalm: jason kidd was traded for marbury that team was aready in place when kidd got ther wtf are you talking about. Jason kidd was the best pg in the league those years and was robbed from a couple mvps. Im sorry bro i'm from brooklyn and jason kidd was my favorite player back then. You can't tell me nothing about kidd when he was on the nets. I dam near saw every one of his games back then. Okur was a beast on the jazz:facepalm: kvh sucked:facepalm: again korver was ther check his stats:facepalm: also boozer was a beast in his prime prime Boozer > prime kmart . Bro I'm a grown man I've seen all thses teams . You must be really young and just googling these things:facepalm:

DR_1
09-06-2012, 02:04 PM
How is that trolling,Chicago is not a contender this year,unless you expect Drose to be 100% healthy by the playoffs?

I do expect him to be. I think he will be back around the All-Star Break, which gives him plenty of time to get re-acclimated to the game before the playoffs.

EDIT: And did I read that right? Someone said the Pacers have a bunch of nobody's and the Nets have a bunch of All-Stars? I don't like the Pacers, but they are a very good team. Better than the Nets at least.

EastNYLos
09-06-2012, 02:04 PM
Frank made it to the 2nd rd in that 1st year.

And Knicks were tied for the 8th seed when D'Antoni was fired.

your speacial more like almost tied with the pathetic nets. Google how many games we were under .500 when woodson took over like 6 and frank only made it to the 2nd round because he had kidd still in his prime. Who was better than anybody the nets or knicks have now.

lookie8
09-06-2012, 02:09 PM
lmao korver was there genius and built for kidds game:facepalm: jason kidd was traded for marbury that team was aready in place when kidd got ther wtf are you talking about. Jason kidd was the best pg in the league those years and was robbed from a couple mvps. Im sorry bro i'm from brooklyn and jason kidd was my favorite player back then. You can't tell me nothing about kidd when he was on the nets. I dam near saw every one of his games back then. Okur was a beast on the jazz:facepalm: kvh sucked:facepalm: again korver was ther check his stats:facepalm: also boozer was a beast in his prime prime Boozer > prime kmart . Bro I'm a grown man I've seen all thses teams . You must be really young and just googling these things:facepalm:

You are wrong again. You are very good at wrong.

Korver went to Utah in '07-'08, the season AFTER Jazz made WCF.

Nets drafted Richard Jefferson and Jason Collins right before they traded for Kidd. Martin was drafted the year before. Kittles missed the entire season before Kidd arrived and the Nets signed Todd Mac as a FA. So tell me how that Nets team was in place for Kidd, Senor Ginga.

And Boozer better than Kenyon? Not on defense, sonny.

And stop putting your hand on your face or you'll grow pubic hair on your face.

EastNYLos
09-06-2012, 02:20 PM
You are wrong again. You are very good at wrong.

Korver went to Utah in '07-'08, the season AFTER Jazz made WCF.

Nets drafted Richard Jefferson and Jason Collins right before they traded for Kidd. Martin was drafted the year before. Kittles missed the entire season before Kidd arrived and the Nets signed Todd Mac as a FA. So tell me how that Nets team was in place for Kidd, Senor Ginga.

And Boozer better than Kenyon? Not on defense, sonny.

And stop putting your hand on your face or you'll grow pubic hair on your face.

your right i meant in general that deron played with korver. But your right. RJ didn't really come on until after they traded kmart he wasn't bad but he was ok. collins sucked and still does again your right kmart was a beast on defense but not on offense and Boozer in his prime was dropping 40 on players when he played with deron. todd mac:confused: and i like how you are downplaying jerry sloan vs byron scott huge difference in coaches. One is a hof and the other one is a clown so again the jazz had a better team then the nets had. Jason kidd was just that great back then:facepalm:

lookie8
09-06-2012, 02:24 PM
your right i meant in general that deron played with korver. But your right. RJ didn't really come on until after they traded kmart he wasn't bad but he was ok. collins sucked and still does again your right kmart was a beast on defense but not on offense and Boozer in his prime was dropping 40 on players when he played with deron. todd mac:confused: and i like how you are downplaying jerry sloan vs byron scott huge difference in coaches. One is a hof and the other one is a clown so again the jazz had a better team then the nets had. Jason kidd was just that great back then:facepalm:

Scott had nothing to do with the style of play of the Nets. That was Kidd's area.

All Scott did was ruin the chance Nets had at a Title vs. the Spurs. And that Finals was not amongst Jason Kidd's finest moments.

And Jefferson was starting SF from his 2nd year on. Good on offense and defense.

Gritz
09-06-2012, 02:25 PM
Contenders for playoffs? Definitely.

Contenders for championship? Doubtful, but with a little luck and injuries to other teams, definitely feasible

benzni
09-06-2012, 02:26 PM
the nets aint good at al they got brook lopez and jo jonson bid deal!!!!!!!!!! how many games did they win last year i no it wasnt alot!no way in the worlddo they hav a better recod then the knicks.... my friend think they will but they wont.... melo will b on amother planet this year better then lebron

is this even english?

JOhnnyTHaJet
09-06-2012, 02:27 PM
is this even english?

You'll need a decoder ring to translate it.

EastNYLos
09-06-2012, 02:28 PM
Scott had nothing to do with the style of play of the Nets. That was Kidd's area.

All Scott did was ruin the chance Nets had at a Title vs. the Spurs. And that Finals was not amongst Jason Kidd's finest moments.

And Jefferson was starting SF from his 2nd year on. Good on offense and defense.

Wait now your telling me the coach has nothing to do with running the team:facepalm:

Hawkeye15
09-06-2012, 02:31 PM
I don't see how you could say that. You can't tell me that this roster now isn't a DRAMATIC improvement from what they had going into last year without even having a training camp.

Yet you expect them to actually have the same or lower winning % as last year?

I don't see a dramatic improvement at all in the roster. I also think they will have some injury concerns, they got even older. I said the minimum acceptable win total should be set at 45 games, not the expected win total. I think they will win 47-48 games or so, right around the same as the Nets.

EastNYLos
09-06-2012, 02:34 PM
I don't see a dramatic improvement at all in the roster. I also think they will have some injury concerns, they got even older. I said the minimum acceptable win total should be set at 45 games, not the expected win total. I think they will win 47-48 games or so, right around the same as the Nets.

:confused: How did we get older. When both the guys we signed over 40 are back ups and we even have back ups for them incase they get injured:facepalm:
cay you say hater

rasheed34
09-06-2012, 02:35 PM
HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLS NO! what cuz they added JJ? dudes the most overpayed athelete!

Hawkeye15
09-06-2012, 02:36 PM
Ok bro I was with you until you said this. Please name one time when an interim coach has took over at the end of the season and has had as much success as woodson did.I'm sorry but your statement is on par with something dome would say just stupid:facepalm:

Lawrence Frank, Frank Vogel, Kevin McHale, George Karl, Tony DiLeo, Mike Woodson, ......

It happens dude. When a coach loses a talented team, and they replace the coach, there is a sense of rallying around the new coach and winning. Same thing happens with a traded player. They feel new life, and play better.

Hawkeye15
09-06-2012, 02:37 PM
:confused: How did we get older. When both the guys we signed over 40 are back ups and we even have back ups for them incase they get injured:facepalm:
cay you say hater

Because you physically and literally became older this offseason. Not so sure how difficult that is to understand.

the term hater is thrown around here in a pathetic manner.

lookie8
09-06-2012, 02:37 PM
Wait now your telling me the coach has nothing to do with running the team:facepalm:

Again, did you follow those Nets? Kidd ran that team, and ran Scott off the team.

Kidd was a good coach, but a horrible GM.

lookie8
09-06-2012, 02:39 PM
HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLS NO! what cuz they added JJ? dudes the most overpayed athelete!

Yeah, that's it. They added JJ and will now win a Title.

Try and follow as the thread goes along.

29$JerZ
09-06-2012, 02:40 PM
:confused: How did we get older. When both the guys we signed over 40 are back ups and we even have back ups for them incase they get injured:facepalm:
cay you say hater

We dumped Toney, Jorts, Landry, Jerome, Lin, Jeffries who are all under 30 for Kidd/Prigioni/Kurt/Camby

That's an immense change in age of the team...

nycericanguy
09-06-2012, 02:43 PM
I don't see a dramatic improvement at all in the roster. I also think they will have some injury concerns, they got even older. I said the minimum acceptable win total should be set at 45 games, not the expected win total. I think they will win 47-48 games or so, right around the same as the Nets.

really?

Let me remind you what our roster was opening day last year.

Chandler
Amare
Melo
Shump (got hurt after 2 quarters in game 1 though)
Douglas

JJ
Fields
Novak (was on the roster but did not play, was an unknown).
Bibby

Those were our key guys. Not even 1 legit PG on the roster. We were literally 5-6 deep.

This year

Chandler
Amare
Melo
Brewer
Kidd
Felton
Camby
Thomas
JR
Shump

A legit 10 deep, 9 if you want to take Kurt out which is fine.

How can you say there isn't a dramatic improvement there?

Now obviously NY ENDED last year with a much better roster once they signed JR, and Lin & Novak emerged. But late in the year NY had one of the better winning %'s of any team in the NBA. Their struggles were mostly early in the year.

I just don't see how despite all those upgrades, and finally having stability and a training camp, NY will only win 1 more game or so as you're suggesting. I would think just having a training camp and being more familiar with each other alone would net them 2-3 more wins pushing them to around 48 wins. Add in the dramatic roster improvements and I don't see how this team doesn't at least win 50 on the low end.

Pierzynski4Prez
09-06-2012, 02:44 PM
:confused: How did we get older. When both the guys we signed over 40 are back ups and we even have back ups for them incase they get injured:facepalm:
cay you say hater

I love when people answer their own question and don't even realize it.

NYTHRILLZ97
09-06-2012, 02:45 PM
is this even english?

how come if you cant read it yeas its english im sorry if i aint a english teacher but i know the nets gonna be bad this year or at least worse then the knicks your just mad and a hater....... nets arnt the real ny team knicks are melo and stat gonna go yikkity this year sorry but its true :cool: :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::c ool:

your and the nets fans is gonaa be like :cry: all season long win the knicks when the champions ship... stop bein jelous :mad:

EastNYLos
09-06-2012, 02:45 PM
We dumped Toney, Jorts, Landry, Jerome, Lin, Jeffries who are all under 30 for Kidd/Prigioni/Kurt/Camby

That's an immense change in age of the team...

:confused: i'm lost

EastNYLos
09-06-2012, 02:49 PM
Lawrence Frank, Frank Vogel, Kevin McHale, George Karl, Tony DiLeo, Mike Woodson, ......

It happens dude. When a coach loses a talented team, and they replace the coach, there is a sense of rallying around the new coach and winning. Same thing happens with a traded player. They feel new life, and play better.

For all those coaches you named. You could probaly name twice as many interim coaches that took over and failed and besides frank no one of the coaches you listed put up a better record than woody. So again you are HATING:facepalm:

Gritz
09-06-2012, 02:51 PM
how come if you cant read it yeas its english im sorry if i aint a english teacher but i know the nets gonna be bad this year or at least worse then the knicks your just mad and a hater....... nets arnt the real ny team knicks are melo and stat gonna go yikkity this year sorry but its true :cool: :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::c ool:

your and the nets fans is gonaa be like :cry: all season long win the knicks when the champions ship... stop bein jelous :mad:

lol drugs and illiteracy ftw

Hawkeye15
09-06-2012, 02:53 PM
really?

Let me remind you what our roster was opening day last year.

Chandler
Amare
Melo
Shump (got hurt after 2 quarters in game 1 though)
Douglas

JJ
Fields
Novak (was on the roster but did not play, was an unknown).
Bibby

Those were our key guys. Not even 1 legit PG on the roster. We were literally 5-6 deep.

This year

Chandler
Amare
Melo
Brewer
Kidd
Felton
Camby
Thomas
JR
Shump

A legit 10 deep, 9 if you want to take Kurt out which is fine.

How can you say there isn't a dramatic improvement there?

Now obviously NY ENDED last year with a much better roster once they signed JR, and Lin & Novak emerged. But late in the year NY had one of the better winning %'s of any team in the NBA. Their struggles were mostly early in the year.

I just don't see how despite all those upgrades, and finally having stability and a training camp, NY will only win 1 more game or so as you're suggesting. I would think just having a training camp and being more familiar with each other alone would net them 2-3 more wins pushing them to around 48 wins. Add in the dramatic roster improvements and I don't see how this team doesn't at least win 50 on the low end.

Are you really expecting any production from the bolded this year? Shumpert will essentially have a lost year with his knee, the other guys sweat dust, and JR is a headache on a nightly basis. Felton needs to show he is serious about his fitness level, and Amare and Melo have yet to show they can play off one another. No, I don't think the Knicks are much better this year, I think they had a poor offseason, and don't understand why they rushed out to sign 3 of the oldest free agents on the market. It took Linsanity to recover a nosedive midseason, and a coaching change where all the players bought in with a rally cry to turn the season from a nightmare into a winning season.

I really don't see them on Miami, Boston, Chicago, or even Indiana's tier, and I think they will be fighting with Philly and Brooklyn for seeds 4-7.

lookie8
09-06-2012, 02:55 PM
really?

Let me remind you what our roster was opening day last year.

Chandler
Amare
Melo
Shump (got hurt after 2 quarters in game 1 though)
Douglas

JJ
Fields
Novak (was on the roster but did not play, was an unknown).
Bibby

Those were our key guys. Not even 1 legit PG on the roster. We were literally 5-6 deep.

This year

Chandler
Amare
Melo
Brewer
Kidd
Felton
Camby
Thomas
JR
Shump

A legit 10 deep, 9 if you want to take Kurt out which is fine.

How can you say there isn't a dramatic improvement there?

Now obviously NY ENDED last year with a much better roster once they signed JR, and Lin & Novak emerged. But late in the year NY had one of the better winning %'s of any team in the NBA. Their struggles were mostly early in the year.

I just don't see how despite all those upgrades, and finally having stability and a training camp, NY will only win 1 more game or so as you're suggesting. I would think just having a training camp and being more familiar with each other alone would net them 2-3 more wins pushing them to around 48 wins. Add in the dramatic roster improvements and I don't see how this team doesn't at least win 50 on the low end.

Nice lineup. Hoping Nets play some defense and do better than the Knicks

Hawkeye15
09-06-2012, 02:56 PM
For all those coaches you named. You could probaly name twice as many interim coaches that took over and failed and besides frank no one of the coaches you listed put up a better record than woody. So again you are HATING:facepalm:

Of course, if we named off coaches who had no talent on their roster and were victims of circumstance, ie, most of the interim coaches. I clearly stated the talent level means something.

Again, try coming to grips that others have rational and unbiased opinions of your team.

NYTHRILLZ97
09-06-2012, 03:17 PM
lol drugs and illiteracy ftw

i dont do drugs:facepalm:

TheIlladelph16
09-06-2012, 03:22 PM
i dont do drugs:facepalm:

Whoever your profile picture is certainly does... Dude looks high as hell haha

2-ONE-5
09-06-2012, 03:23 PM
how in the world do the Nets get 30 pages for Eddy Curry and 16+ and counting for Blatche?

nycericanguy
09-06-2012, 03:24 PM
Are you really expecting any production from the bolded this year? Shumpert will essentially have a lost year with his knee, the other guys sweat dust, and JR is a headache on a nightly basis. Felton needs to show he is serious about his fitness level, and Amare and Melo have yet to show they can play off one another. No, I don't think the Knicks are much better this year, I think they had a poor offseason, and don't understand why they rushed out to sign 3 of the oldest free agents on the market. It took Linsanity to recover a nosedive midseason, and a coaching change where all the players bought in with a rally cry to turn the season from a nightmare into a winning season.

I really don't see them on Miami, Boston, Chicago, or even Indiana's tier, and I think they will be fighting with Philly and Brooklyn for seeds 4-7.

Wow Hawkeye really?

You're telling me NY shouldn't expect any production from Kidd, Camby & Shump?

Thomas will probably be a 10mpg player. But Camby was one of the best rebounders and shot blockers in the NBA last year, now all of a sudden we shouldn't expect any production from him?

And Kidd... the same Kidd that has been starting for DAL all these years, whom DAL desperately wanted back? The starting PG just a year removed from beating MIA?

Kidd played almost 30mpg last year as a starter for a playoff team. Now we shouldn't expect any production from him?

I think you're trying a little too hard to sell them short. Yes Camby & Kidd are old, but the rest of the core is all under 30. Kidd & Camby weren't signed as some saviors to play 30mpg. They are veterans coming off the bench to play 20mpg, since when is that a bad thing?

Shump will be out a few months, but if you think CHI is on another Tier than NY, than surely you expect Rose to come back and produce, why won't Shump? Shump won't be asked to do anywhere near as much as Rose.

And IND is a nice young team, but NY not at their level? If you watched NY play IND last year, NY was clearly the better team on the floor. They took it to IND. IND had a great year, but lets not act like they are on a whole nother level now.

Are they good enough to challenge MIA & BOS? That remains to be seen. But to say that this years team isn't a dramatic improvement is just selling them short. I'd be shocked if all these changes translate to just 1 or 2 more wins as you suggest.

A healthy OKC & a healthy CHI lost to MIA in 5 games. A completely decimated NY team lost to MIA in 5 games as well. They are not as far away as you make it seem.

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 03:27 PM
KG,Paul Pierce, Ray Allen all missed the playoffs in 07 so saying Deron sucks because he didnt make the playoffs with Shelden,Stevenson,Humphries, Marshon starting.

netsgiantsyanks
09-06-2012, 03:33 PM
how come if you cant read it yeas its english im sorry if i aint a english teacher but i know the nets gonna be bad this year or at least worse then the knicks your just mad and a hater....... nets arnt the real ny team knicks are melo and stat gonna go yikkity this year sorry but its true :cool: :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::c ool:

your and the nets fans is gonaa be like :cry: all season long win the knicks when the champions ship... stop bein jelous :mad:

glad to know that you can predict the future.

Hawkeye15
09-06-2012, 03:35 PM
Wow Hawkeye really?

You're telling me NY shouldn't expect any production from Kidd, Camby & Shump?

Thomas will probably be a 10mpg player. But Camby was one of the best rebounders and shot blockers in the NBA last year, now all of a sudden we shouldn't expect any production from him?

And Kidd... the same Kidd that has been starting for DAL all these years, whom DAL desperately wanted back? The starting PG just a year removed from beating MIA?

Kidd played almost 30mpg last year as a starter for a playoff team. Now we shouldn't expect any production from him?

I think you're trying a little too hard to sell them short. Yes Camby & Kidd are old, but the rest of the core is all under 30. Kidd & Camby weren't signed as some saviors to play 30mpg. They are veterans coming off the bench to play 20mpg, since when is that a bad thing?

Shump will be out a few months, but if you think CHI is on another Tier than NY, than surely you expect Rose to come back and produce, why won't Shump? Shump won't be asked to do anywhere near as much as Rose.

And IND is a nice young team, but NY not at their level? If you watched NY play IND last year, NY was clearly the better team on the floor. They took it to IND. IND had a great year, but lets not act like they are on a whole nother level now.

Are they good enough to challenge MIA & BOS? That remains to be seen. But to say that this years team isn't a dramatic improvement is just selling them short. I'd be shocked if all these changes translate to just 1 or 2 more wins as you suggest.

A healthy OKC & a healthy CHI lost to MIA in 5 games. A completely decimated NY team lost to MIA in 5 games as well. They are not as far away as you make it seem.

I got shat on last year for telling you guys the 7-8 seed is where you would land. I am being shat on this year for saying you probably aren't getting HCA in a series. Oh well.

You can write away. I don't think Kidd/Camby/Thomas are holding up and giving any meaningful contributions at this stage of their careers. Melo/Stat have not shown any chemistry. Smith should drive any rational fan nuts. I don't see the Knicks being a 52+ win team, as you stated the floor is.

nycericanguy
09-06-2012, 03:43 PM
I got shat on last year for telling you guys the 7-8 seed is where you would land. I am being shat on this year for saying you probably aren't getting HCA in a series. Oh well.

You can write away. I don't think Kidd/Camby/Thomas are holding up and giving any meaningful contributions at this stage of their careers. Melo/Stat have not shown any chemistry. Smith should drive any rational fan nuts. I don't see the Knicks being a 52+ win team, as you stated the floor is.

You're very adamant... we shall see.

I think last year a 6-8th seed prediction was understandable given the lack of PG and depth. But I'd be shocked if this wasn't a 50+ win team this year.

Can't wait. I never do sigbets, but I'd sigbet NY having a better record than MIN. And I like MIN, one of my favorite teams to watch along with DEN, but I think you're greatly underestimating NY and especially Kidd & Camby. I really would love to hear why you think Kidd will go from starting and playing 30mpg on a playoff team, to not contributing at all, same for Camby.

BH-Sports
09-06-2012, 03:48 PM
They are contenders IF
1) JJ and Crash are motivated to get better and play harder
2) Brooke keeps developing
3) Marshon keeps developing

If the entire team is motivated to play hard each day and night, then I don't see why not

J DIZZ
09-06-2012, 03:57 PM
Yo.. they sign andre blatche and he plays to his potential? Watchout for the nets. Humphries can ride the bench w/ his kim k tattoes..

Rockice_8
09-06-2012, 04:05 PM
There are 3 teams way ahead of anyone else. MIA, OKC, and LAL. After them you move into the SAS, BOS, DEN, and LAC's. I think BK can be in that group if they play to their potential. Not sure if they will but they could.

If you consider that grouping of teams contenders then yes they are but I really don't so I don't consider BK contenders.

They aren't going to be an easy out in the playoffs though. With the way they should be able to light it up on offense anything can happen. Probably not a team you'll want to see in the playoffs.

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 04:06 PM
Yo.. they sign andre blatche and he plays to his potential? Watchout for the nets. Humphries can ride the bench w/ his kim k tattoes..

7 posts in 4 years and this is one of them?

NYTHRILLZ97
09-06-2012, 04:07 PM
It really depends on how you define "contender", as I believe someone else stated earlier in the thread. The Nets will be a very solid squad with no real holes in the starting 5, to go along with a nice bench.

I believe they have a couple of underrated forwards in Humphries and Wallace. C.J. Watson was an underrated signing and Reggie Evans brings a lot of energy and valuable toughness off of the bench.

I do not think that they are on par with the Heat or Celtics yet. In my opinion they will be battling with Indiana for the 3rd seed in the East(and Bulls if Rose is back and healthy earlier than anticipated).

KB-Pau-DH2012
09-06-2012, 04:08 PM
Still think the Nets are better than the Knicks. Deron Williams has a more impact for his team than Melo. And DWill and JJ better working combo and better chemistry than Melo-Amare.

zB_#85
09-06-2012, 04:10 PM
how come if you cant read it yeas its english im sorry if i aint a english teacher but i know the nets gonna be bad this year or at least worse then the knicks your just mad and a hater....... nets arnt the real ny team knicks are melo and stat gonna go yikkity this year sorry but its true :cool: :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::c ool:

your and the nets fans is gonaa be like :cry: all season long win the knicks when the champions ship... stop bein jelous :mad:

SO. EPIC. :laugh2:

YEDN90
09-06-2012, 04:15 PM
Nets Fans - " Yes we are a top 2 team in the east."

DoMeFavors - " Yes and don't worry *insert All-Star name* will be in Brooklyn next year. Don't worry"

Smart Nba Fans - " They should be in the playoffs 4-6 seed in east"

I dont think there are any Nets fan who claim we're without a doubt a top 2 team in the East.

I currently have us as the 5th seed, personally.

Hawkeye15
09-06-2012, 04:34 PM
You're very adamant... we shall see.

I think last year a 6-8th seed prediction was understandable given the lack of PG and depth. But I'd be shocked if this wasn't a 50+ win team this year.

Can't wait. I never do sigbets, but I'd sigbet NY having a better record than MIN. And I like MIN, one of my favorite teams to watch along with DEN, but I think you're greatly underestimating NY and especially Kidd & Camby. I really would love to hear why you think Kidd will go from starting and playing 30mpg on a playoff team, to not contributing at all, same for Camby.

I don't bother with sig bets, we have zero idea what kind of injuries either team may have. The Wolves have a tougher schedule, so I agree the Knicks will probably win more games unless Roy's knee is a monster surprise.

Kidd SUCKED this year. He was masked on offense and was simply a spot up shooter on a team with crisp ball movement and an elite iso scorer, so teams left him. He was not very good defensively either. He is in full on decline. Camby will grab some defensive boards and be tall on the weakside, but he is another player that needs to be masked, and won't help with the lack of depth on the bench outside defensive rebounding. I just don't think there is much to expect from them. Felton I need to see how serious he took this offseason. He was being talked about as a possible all star the beginning of that season he was traded from the Knicks, he was playing very well, but then just went to fat city when he was moved, pouting. Did it do anything to him long term? We will see.

DoMeFavors
09-06-2012, 04:42 PM
I don't bother with sig bets, we have zero idea what kind of injuries either team may have. The Wolves have a tougher schedule, so I agree the Knicks will probably win more games unless Roy's knee is a monster surprise.

Kidd SUCKED this year. He was masked on offense and was simply a spot up shooter on a team with crisp ball movement and an elite iso scorer, so teams left him. He was not very good defensively either. He is in full on decline. Camby will grab some defensive boards and be tall on the weakside, but he is another player that needs to be masked, and won't help with the lack of depth on the bench outside defensive rebounding. I just don't think there is much to expect from them. Felton I need to see how serious he took this offseason. He was being talked about as a possible all star the beginning of that season he was traded from the Knicks, he was playing very well, but then just went to fat city when he was moved, pouting. Did it do anything to him long term? We will see.

Its very disrespectful when a player who is getting paid MILLIONS comes into camp looking like a fat tub of ****. That is like an desk worker coming into work drunk everyday.

Felton is a diaster.

zB_#85
09-06-2012, 04:46 PM
Its very disrespectful when a player who is getting paid MILLIONS comes into camp looking like a fat tub of ****. That is like an desk worker coming into work drunk everyday.

Felton is a diaster.

see: your sig...