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AndyfromNeptune
09-03-2012, 05:18 PM
Is Allan Houston one of the best shooting guards in New York Knicks history a Hall of Famer?

A 2 time All-Star who led the NBA in free throw percentage in 2002 and was 8th in points scored and 4th in 3 point field goals, accumulated over 14,000 points scored in his career and 1305 three point field goals made. He has career averages of over 17 points per game, 2 assists per game, 2 rebounds per game, a career 3 point field goal shooting percentage over 40% and free throw percentage over 86% and finally was a Gold Medalist in the 1999 Fiba American Championship games and a Gold Medalist in the 2000 Olympic Games in Sydney, Australia.

Will he eventually get in?

AndyfromNeptune
09-03-2012, 05:19 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/houstal01.html

D12 fan
09-03-2012, 05:19 PM
Hell no,if Allen Houston makes the HOF then Vince Carter and Tracy Mcgrady should be locks for the HOF.

AndyfromNeptune
09-03-2012, 05:19 PM
I think he will eventually get in. He has very similar career averages as Reggie Miller; he just lacks Miller's longevity due to the fact that his career was cut short by knee injuries.

KB-Pau-DH2012
09-03-2012, 05:19 PM
Nope, don't think so.

KB-Pau-DH2012
09-03-2012, 05:20 PM
I think he will eventually get in. He has very similar career averages as Reggie Miller; he just lacks Miller's longevity due to the fact that his career was cut short by knee injuries.

:speechless: Did you just compare Allan Houston to the legendary Reggie Miller!? :speechless:


I hope you did it for the llullz, because if you didn't......:faint:

D12 fan
09-03-2012, 05:22 PM
I think he will eventually get in. He has very similar career averages as Reggie Miller; he just lacks Miller's longevity due to the fact that his career was cut short by knee injuries.

You just said why he shouldn't get in INJURIES,maybe he could make it if he hadn't suffered that knee injury in the prime of his career.

AndyfromNeptune
09-03-2012, 05:23 PM
Hell no,if Allen Houston makes the HOF then Vince Carter and Tracy Mcgrady should be locks for the HOF.

I think Carter and Mcgrady should make the Hall of Fame relatively easily.

While they may not be first ballot, they definitely will get in eventually.

Houston has a shot at it.

D12 fan
09-03-2012, 05:24 PM
:speechless: Did you just compare Allan Houston to the legendary Reggie Miller!? :speechless:


I hope you did it for the llullz, because if you didn't......:faint:

lol I was about to say the same thing,I think he was doing it for the llullz.:laugh:

GrkGawdofWalkz
09-03-2012, 05:26 PM
He is one of the most overrated players of the last 20 years. What did he really do to even be a fringe candidate. Laughable.

AndyfromNeptune
09-03-2012, 05:26 PM
You just said why he shouldn't get in INJURIES,maybe he could make it if he hadn't suffered that knee injury in the prime of his career.


His impact in his prime should be taken into consideration. Growing up, I watched Miller, Houston, and Chris Mullin really shoot the lights out.

If Miller (possibly one of the most overrated Hall of Fame players) can make it, I think Houston has a possible shot at it.

AndyfromNeptune
09-03-2012, 05:28 PM
lol I was about to say the same thing,I think he was doing it for the llullz.:laugh:


Reggie's prime coincided with the weakest stretch of talent since the ABA/NBA merger (1994-1998)
Reggie has the lowest number of All-Star Game appearances of any modern superstar (five, while no one else on Simmon's list had less than seven)
At no point was Reggie considered one of the NBA's top ten players for a single season
Reggie's reputation as a great playoff player has been exaggerated (eg, game 7 against the Knicks in the 94 playoffs, game 7 against the Magic in the 95 playoffs, game 6 against the Knicks in the 99 East Finals)
Indiana was 9-15 in elimination games and 3-5 in deciding Game 5's or 7's during Reggie's career
Reggie received the most ridiculous calls of anyone over the last 12 years

Jint.
09-03-2012, 05:28 PM
has a 2 time All-Satr ever made the HOF ?

D12 fan
09-03-2012, 05:32 PM
Reggie's prime coincided with the weakest stretch of talent since the ABA/NBA merger (1994-1998)
Reggie has the lowest number of All-Star Game appearances of any modern superstar (five, while no one else on Simmon's list had less than seven)
At no point was Reggie considered one of the NBA's top ten players for a single season
Reggie's reputation as a great playoff player has been exaggerated (eg, game 7 against the Knicks in the 94 playoffs, game 7 against the Magic in the 95 playoffs, game 6 against the Knicks in the 99 East Finals)
Indiana was 9-15 in elimination games and 3-5 in deciding Game 5's or 7's during Reggie's career
Reggie received the most ridiculous calls of anyone over the last 12 years

Are you seriously trying to compare Allan Houston to Reggie Miller?

greg_ory_2005
09-03-2012, 05:33 PM
He led the league in FT% omgggg :laugh:

lakers4sho
09-03-2012, 05:35 PM
the quality of threads in the nba forum is at an all time low

Shlumpledink
09-03-2012, 05:35 PM
If he makes the hall of fame, it lowers the bar for future hall of famers. I liked him as a player when he was healthy, but he doesn't deserve the hall of fame. If he gets voted in I would be shocked, and it would diminish the meaning of hall of fame status in my eyes.

xxplayerxx23
09-03-2012, 05:38 PM
Yes, because he was a knick. My vote goes to Homers, YAY HOMERS!

D12 fan
09-03-2012, 05:41 PM
the quality of threads in the nba forum is at an all time low

I think AndyfromNeptune made this thread for llullz.

ThuglifeJ
09-03-2012, 05:44 PM
Houston? liked him, but not a chance.
Reggie Miller? yes overrated as hell but did have a worthy impact on the league
VC? hes in easily
Tmac? he should make it


I'd put Latrell in over Houston..

xxplayerxx23
09-03-2012, 05:46 PM
Latrell?

IndyRealist
09-03-2012, 05:47 PM
Reggie's prime coincided with the weakest stretch of talent since the ABA/NBA merger (1994-1998)
Reggie has the lowest number of All-Star Game appearances of any modern superstar (five, while no one else on Simmon's list had less than seven)
At no point was Reggie considered one of the NBA's top ten players for a single season
Reggie's reputation as a great playoff player has been exaggerated (eg, game 7 against the Knicks in the 94 playoffs, game 7 against the Magic in the 95 playoffs, game 6 against the Knicks in the 99 East Finals)
Indiana was 9-15 in elimination games and 3-5 in deciding Game 5's or 7's during Reggie's career
Reggie received the most ridiculous calls of anyone over the last 12 years

Reggie in the hall because he held a league record until just recently, and because he's single handedly responsible for some of the greatest moments in 90's basketball. Some people loved him, and more hated him, but it was always for how he performed against your team and not because of off the court nonsense. He was a full quarter of a defensive team's offense, and you couldn't help but feel like he was burying you personally.

AndyfromNeptune
09-03-2012, 05:48 PM
I think AndyfromNeptune made this thread for llullz.

He was my favorite player growing up, and I met him and Steve Nash at this basketball camp when I was younger. They're both really classy guys.

But back on topic, I think he's a fringe candidate.

It really depends on what direction the Hall of Fame takes in the future as it continues to evolve.

And yes, I think Reggie Miller albeit his clutch moments is an overrated Hall of Famer. He was a glorified Rip Hamilton/Allan Houston running off screens and shooting at a high percentage.

He was never a superstar.

AndyfromNeptune
09-03-2012, 05:49 PM
Houston? liked him, but not a chance.
Reggie Miller? yes overrated as hell but did have a worthy impact on the league
VC? hes in easily
Tmac? he should make it


I'd put Latrell in over Houston..

I miss Latrell Sprewell.

D12 fan
09-03-2012, 05:53 PM
He was my favorite player growing up, and I met him and Steve Nash at this basketball camp when I was younger. They're both really classy guys.

But back on topic, I think he's a fringe candidate.

It really depends on what direction the Hall of Fame takes in the future as it continues to evolve.

And yes, I think Reggie Miller albeit his clutch moments is an overrated Hall of Famer. He was a glorified Rip Hamilton/Allan Houston running off screens and shooting at a high percentage.

He was never a superstar.

Oh he was your favorite player,he was good but I don't think he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame he never really led a team anywhere as the #1 option,the 1 time the Knicks made the Finals was in a lockout year where Sprewell was really the best player on that team.

Oldmantrash
09-03-2012, 05:55 PM
Houston is a class act, great for the league, and was a very good player.

Not even close to a HOFer, not even close

IndyRealist
09-03-2012, 06:01 PM
My test for the Hall is always the same: will people outside his team's fanbase remember him in 30 years? I'd have to say no.

Lakers + Giants
09-03-2012, 06:13 PM
hell no.

UPRock
09-03-2012, 06:38 PM
Yes, he and Jose Calderon should get in. Their Free throw line records are legendary.

eibbor
09-03-2012, 06:42 PM
Not even maybe.

Big Zo
09-03-2012, 07:01 PM
has a 2 time All-Satr ever made the HOF ?

Dennis Rodman.


Hell **** no!

JasonJohnHorn
09-03-2012, 07:05 PM
Houston? No... I don't think, so. He was a great 3-point shooter... but I always saw him as a one-dimensional player. Strictly a shooter... and he never really had a lot of success.... he got injured a lot. He wasn't a great defender.... or rebounder... or passer...

17.3 points per on his career... only 3 boards and 2.5 assists... not HOF numbers... if he'd had a lot of winning to go a long witht that, they yeah... but those numbers by themselves with no rings of MVPs... not quite good enough for the HOF.

netsgiantsyanks
09-03-2012, 07:08 PM
no.

KnickaBocka.44
09-03-2012, 07:09 PM
I was a huge fan of "H-2-0" growing up also. I think Ray Allen is probably a better comparison than Reggie Miller because Houston and Allen were better athletes than Reggie.

That being said, Allan Houston's contract played a huge part in debilitating the Knicks payroll flexibility when he went down due to injury. Since learning salary cap rules, it has somewhat tainted my view of him and I can firmly say that his production never warranted that massive contract, which would probably mean he doesn't deserve to be in the HoF.

If it weren't for injuries, he would be up there with the top 3 point shooters of all time.

LA_Raiders
09-03-2012, 07:25 PM
NO, Needed more time, Injuries messed him up...

RLundi
09-03-2012, 07:29 PM
Are you kidding me?

lookie8
09-03-2012, 08:07 PM
Is Allan Houston one of the best shooting guards in New York Knicks history a Hall of Famer?

A 2 time All-Star who led the NBA in free throw percentage in 2002 and was 8th in points scored and 4th in 3 point field goals, accumulated over 14,000 points scored in his career and 1305 three point field goals made. He has career averages of over 17 points per game, 2 assists per game, 2 rebounds per game, a career 3 point field goal shooting percentage over 40% and free throw percentage over 86% and finally was a Gold Medalist in the 1999 Fiba American Championship games and a Gold Medalist in the 2000 Olympic Games in Sydney, Australia.

Will he eventually get in?

I don't think he's worthy, but I don't get a vote

StinkEye
09-03-2012, 08:22 PM
whodafuq voted yes? :laugh:

So many Mr. Simpsons in here :facepalm:

Hawkeye15
09-03-2012, 08:25 PM
No, he will probably not get in, and rightly so. Hell, I am onboard with making Reggie Miller wait a number of times to get in, why would I say yes to a lesser version of him?

KnickNyKnick
09-03-2012, 08:32 PM
he gets in the hof just for that game winner vs the heat in 99 :D

tapajafri
09-03-2012, 08:45 PM
Kevin Johnson is more deserving than Allan Houston. No doubt, Houston was a great player though.

lookie8
09-03-2012, 08:47 PM
he gets in the hof just for that game winner vs the heat in 99 :D

That would be the Knicks' HOF, I'd imagine.

jericho
09-03-2012, 08:48 PM
He 1 of my fav players of all time but he ain't gonna make it

Wisdom Listens
09-03-2012, 08:57 PM
Houston is not a HOFer, but he was a really good player. The only reason I think people would even consider him being a HOFer is because of where he played and the exposure he got.

StarvingKnick22
09-03-2012, 09:00 PM
well,ok

SluggeR
09-03-2012, 09:05 PM
I'm a diehard Knicks fan and I say no

Losoway
09-03-2012, 09:11 PM
i think allan houston should .

i didnt agree with reggie miller making the hof and he did

ohreally
09-03-2012, 09:21 PM
Reggie Miller was better than Allan by a significant margin. And Reggie Miller wasn't the best player in his family. Allan was a nice guy with perfect form, and that's about it. There is no way he should even get a fleeting thought of being... Sory, but even saying the words in tha same sentence would b a degradation of the hall.

jericho
09-03-2012, 09:21 PM
i think allan houston should .

i didnt agree with reggie miller making the hof and he did

I hate Reggie 4 what he did to the Knicks but correct me if I'm wrong I believe Reggie is in the 25000 club and is second in 3pt made he always brought it in crunch time so I do think Reggie belongs in the hof

PC
09-03-2012, 09:42 PM
Absolutely not. I loved Houston but if Knick fans think he's a hall of famer, I don't know what to say...

jericho
09-03-2012, 09:47 PM
Absolutely not. I loved Houston but if Knick fans think he's a hall of famer, I don't know what to say...

What Knicks fan from what I have seen everybody is saying no give us a brake lol

WAYNEBO
09-04-2012, 04:38 PM
Loved Houston's jumper... but no -- his injuries derailed his longevity to get into the HOF.

Chacarron
09-04-2012, 04:59 PM
the quality of threads in the nba forum is at an all time low

Then don't watch.

mjm07
09-04-2012, 05:03 PM
Houston will never be selected into the HOF.

Hellcrooner
09-04-2012, 05:06 PM
No.

EastNYLos
09-04-2012, 05:14 PM
latrell sprewell for hof

Da Knicks
09-04-2012, 05:26 PM
Being a knick fan I loved Houston but i dont think he deserves hall of fame, his best stretch was on a *shortened season and he was the second best player on that team behind Latrell. Love him but no i dont see him making it, his career got cut short and didnt do enough in his prime to deserve it.

nycsports2
09-04-2012, 05:28 PM
my favorite player growing up but no he didnt do it long enough and never won a championship... its the hall of fame not the hall of very good (which in alot of cases is forgotten for some reason smh)

smood999
09-04-2012, 05:39 PM
No and I think he's greatly overrated amongst my fellow Knick fans...nothing stands out to me about Houston besides his shot in MIA in the playoffs...Knick fans are quick to point out overpaid players...but he might be the most overpaid player in Knick history...100 mil for him was laughable and no surprise that was the beginning of the Knicks downfall...good player...no where near HOF

smood999
09-04-2012, 05:40 PM
Also, Sprewell and Camby were more valuable in the Knicks run to the finals than Houston...

Kashmir13579
09-04-2012, 05:49 PM
For me, its a solid NO. Unless we're putting him in for being the most overpaid player of all time.


How on earth did he get that contract. For the love of God.

MagicBucsSox
09-04-2012, 05:53 PM
Mitch Richmond glen rice Steve smith > Allan houston

8kobe24
09-04-2012, 05:55 PM
One of the better pure shooters of the 90's. But I really doubt he gets inducted in the HOF because of injuries and shortened career.

TheLegend
09-04-2012, 06:58 PM
I voted yes.

Kashmir13579
09-04-2012, 07:01 PM
HOW DlD HE GET THAT CONTRACT?

YashBoone
09-04-2012, 07:08 PM
2 time allstar
Gold medalist
10th all time in 3s

It's not a shoe in but far from laughable!

PrettyBoyJ
09-04-2012, 07:28 PM
If Bernard King didnt make it Allan Houston shouldnt even be mentioned

Jesse2272
09-04-2012, 07:28 PM
For me, its a solid NO. Unless we're putting him in for being the most overpaid player of all time.


How on earth did he get that contract. For the love of God.

getting that contract and refusing to retire should negate him from the HOF

Jesse2272
09-04-2012, 07:30 PM
2 time allstar
Gold medalist
10th all time in 3s

It's not a shoe in but far from laughable!

not laughable Inuries and the loss of longevity takes him out IMO

Jagged QT
09-04-2012, 07:52 PM
I doubt he makes it, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

Jesse2272
09-04-2012, 08:07 PM
If Bernard King didnt make it Allan Houston shouldnt even be mentioned

Agreed

Underdogz∞
09-04-2012, 08:25 PM
Alan Houston in the HOF .....:laugh2:.......... If I were to pick a player to debate thats real maybe close but maybe you can argue both ways I'd say Mutumbo for example, but Alan Houston aint even close.

Evolution23
09-05-2012, 02:01 AM
I think Andy Routins will one day make the HOF if he could dribble, shoot, pass, defend, and not be a loser.

Jroz
09-05-2012, 10:34 AM
Will he get in?..who knows..does he deserve to IMO? No...I grew up watching Allen Houston score 20 points in the 1st half and non-existent in the 2nd. We all remember the runner against Miami but other than that I don't really recall many other times I was thrilled with his production. He reminds me of Joe Johnson, not so much his style of game, but his overall production. Yea he's been a solid 20 guy for most of his career but he doesn't stand out..No, I don't believe he deserves it

b@llhog24
09-05-2012, 11:33 AM
Lol. No man, not even close.

b@llhog24
09-05-2012, 11:34 AM
He led the league in FT% omgggg :laugh:

:laugh2:

Pistol_Pete
09-05-2012, 01:49 PM
No. Simple as that. I'm not saying this is a criteria, but if he could only make 2 all-star games during his career, how could he measure up to HOF players?

lookie8
09-05-2012, 02:02 PM
No. Simple as that. I'm not saying this is a criteria, but if he could only make 2 all-star games during his career, how could he measure up to HOF players?

Bill Bradley played in one All-Star game.

JollyRanch
09-05-2012, 02:54 PM
lol