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JasonJohnHorn
09-02-2012, 10:26 AM
Simple question. What is the best back court pairing of all time. Jennings and Ellis have a shot at something special if both players can reach their potential, but the best backcourt pairing I've ever seen is Thomas and Dumars. That said, West and Goodrich may be better still, but I never got the chance to watch them play together, though their stats are obviously amazing.

Who do you think is the best backcourt pairing of all time? And who is the best back court pairing in the league today?

I'd got with Kobe and Nash, though we've yet to see them play together, and D-Will and JJ, though, again, we've yet to see them play together.

Byronicle
09-02-2012, 11:00 AM
if Harden resigns with OKC, then i could see Westbrook and Harden being a great backcourt duo

Mave1002
09-02-2012, 11:09 AM
Simple question. What is the best back court pairing of all time. Jennings and Ellis have a shot at something special if both players can reach their potential, but the best backcourt pairing I've ever seen is Thomas and Dumars. That said, West and Goodrich may be better still, but I never got the chance to watch them play together, though their stats are obviously amazing.

Who do you think is the best backcourt pairing of all time? And who is the best back court pairing in the league today?

I'd got with Kobe and Nash, though we've yet to see them play together, and D-Will and JJ, though, again, we've yet to see them play together.

Best one, in the making.

Stockton and Hornacek were effective.

LA_Raiders
09-02-2012, 12:26 PM
Kobe and Nash are going to do good... Past prime but they will perform...

Hawkeye15
09-02-2012, 12:47 PM
Reggie Miller and Mark Jackson
Stockton and Hornacek
Johnson and Thunder Dan
Magic and Coop
Monroe and Frazier
Drexler and Porter
Mo Cheeks and Andrew Toney
Thomas and Dumars

Kobe and Nash haven't played a game yet, though I would expect them to be sweet

mygeneration
09-02-2012, 01:03 PM
Can't say it's necessarily the greatest of all time but based on the number of all-star appearances, HOF credentials and an NBA championship, the Earl Monroe - Walt Frazier backcourt tandem is right up there.

As for present day, I would have said Ellis - Curry, but now that's become Ellis - Jennings, and I don't think they would qualify for obvious reasons. Put me down for Kobe - Nash.

Faneik
09-02-2012, 01:03 PM
kobe & nash are not the best back-court of all-time.

how can they be if they're not the best back-court of today's game?....

give me D-Will & Joe Johnson any day of the week.

and yes, I know I'm talking about 2 guys that haven't played a minute together.

but if lakers fans can do it, so can I.

THE MTL
09-02-2012, 01:11 PM
I think Dwill and JJ's game fit each better than kobe/nash.

Hawkeye15
09-02-2012, 01:13 PM
Deron and Nash are somewhat of a wash, Deron probably being the slightly better player now. Kobe is still a MUCH better player than Joe Johnson.

KB-Pau-DH2012
09-02-2012, 01:21 PM
Jerry West & Gail Goodrich

mygeneration
09-02-2012, 01:27 PM
After reviewing the question one more time, I would have to say '92 Dream Team with MJ - MJ.

Catoblepas
09-02-2012, 01:36 PM
Chauncey and Rip

mygeneration
09-02-2012, 01:45 PM
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1315854-ranking-steve-nash-kobe-bryant-with-every-nba-teams-starting-backcourt

IKnowHoops
09-02-2012, 01:58 PM
1. Tim Hardaway and Latrell Sprewell
2. Tim Hardaway and Mitch Richmond

DoMeFavors
09-02-2012, 02:33 PM
Deron and Joe Johnson

da ThRONe
09-02-2012, 02:42 PM
I don't know about "all-time" not old enough for that. I would say for me Thomas and Dumas with an honorable mention for Hardaway and Anderson.

WizFan3
09-02-2012, 02:49 PM
Jimmer Fredette & Jackson Emery ;)

xILLN355
09-02-2012, 03:04 PM
mj and pippen

hotadef
09-02-2012, 03:04 PM
rondo and ray allen

hotadef
09-02-2012, 03:05 PM
pippen an mj pippen played pg from the sf spot so

Comcastman
09-02-2012, 03:26 PM
Wtf? Thomas and Dumars? Best ALL TIME is obviously Stephon Marbury and Steve Francis.

beliges
09-02-2012, 03:36 PM
Although Pip was a Forward, he did play point forward for the most part. Its hard to go against MJ and Pip. You have the greatest perimeter player to ever play the game in MJ and one of the greatest perimeter players of his era in Pip, not to mention probably the greatest perimeter defender to ever play the game. Id go with those two.

keetyweedy
09-02-2012, 03:58 PM
Even tho it was only for 1 yr I would probably have to say Steve Nash & Joe Johnson

Nash 15ppg & 11apg
Johnson 17ppg & 5rpg

JasonJohnHorn
09-02-2012, 04:15 PM
pippen an mj pippen played pg from the sf spot so

MJ and Pippen are excluded from the conversation. Pippen may have brought the ball up the court a lot, but he was playing SF. Jordan always had a backcourt PG that essentially served as the shooting guard, first it was Paxon for the first three rings, then it was Ron Harper.

If you said Jordan and Harper, I'd be cool with that, but not Jordan and Pippen.

poleandreel
09-02-2012, 04:18 PM
How about westrbook and harden and it's not close.

Unrequited
09-02-2012, 04:26 PM
tony parker and ginobili

Ezio
09-02-2012, 04:27 PM
tony parker and ginobili

:nod:

IndyRealist
09-02-2012, 04:37 PM
tony parker and ginobili

This is a very good choice.

b@llhog24
09-02-2012, 04:44 PM
I think Dwill and JJ's game fit each better than kobe/nash.

+1.


tony parker and ginobili

:win:

Hawkeye15
09-02-2012, 04:57 PM
Do Parker and Ginoboli count, since Manu wasn't a starter most his career? Otherwise give me Westbrook/Harden over any current backcourt.

--23--
09-02-2012, 04:59 PM
Tim Hardaway & Mitch Richmond (2/3 of RUN TMC :rock:)
Parker & Ginobili
Stockton & Hornacek
Monroe & Frazier
Thomas & Dumars

mrblisterdundee
09-02-2012, 06:12 PM
Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars are the best back court pairing ever.

BSardogan
09-02-2012, 06:41 PM
Kobe and Smush. It's really no debate, just looking at how often those guys combined for 60+ points together.

KB-Pau-DH2012
09-02-2012, 06:42 PM
Do Parker and Ginoboli count, since Manu wasn't a starter most his career? Otherwise give me Westbrook/Harden over any current backcourt.

Well Harden is in that Manu role as well, so if you exclude Parker/Ginobili, then you'd have to take out Russ/Harden.

Sactown
09-02-2012, 07:07 PM
DeMarcus "Magic" Cousins and Jimmer Fredette

smith&wesson
09-02-2012, 07:11 PM
armstrgong and mj :D

for me its parker and gino today.

da ThRONe
09-02-2012, 07:13 PM
Do Parker and Ginoboli count, since Manu wasn't a starter most his career? Otherwise give me Westbrook/Harden over any current backcourt.

If Parker/Ginobili doesn't count than neither does Westbrook/Harden for the very same reasons.

Gram
09-02-2012, 07:16 PM
Chauncey and Rip.

bagwell368
09-02-2012, 08:42 PM
Lots of choices, so I'll go to my favorite ever:

Gus Johnson and Dennis Johnson. They were not the best, but in a sclerotic NBA of the time - they were a breath of fresh air.

JNoel
09-02-2012, 08:52 PM
Derrick Rose
D Wade

Mave1002
09-02-2012, 09:14 PM
Derrick Rose
D Wade

:confused:

Lakersfan2483
09-03-2012, 02:23 AM
The Best Backcourts of all time:

Magic Johnson and Byron Scott
Isaiah Thomas and Joe Dumars
Chauncey Billups and Rip Hamilton
Rajon Rondo and Ray Allen
Jerry West and Gail Goodrich
Terry Porter and Clyde Drexler
Frazier and Monroe

Personally, I like the backcourt of Magic and B. Scott.

TheLegend
09-03-2012, 02:46 AM
In their prime, I'm going with Magic and Byron Scott. But Drexler and Terry Porter is up there as well.

smiddy012
09-03-2012, 03:37 AM
Although Pip was a Forward, he did play point forward for the most part. Its hard to go against MJ and Pip. You have the greatest perimeter player to ever play the game in MJ and one of the greatest perimeter players of his era in Pip, not to mention probably the greatest perimeter defender to ever play the game. Id go with those two.

:facepalm:

IndyHeatjman
09-03-2012, 03:45 AM
Magic Johnson and Byron Scott...too bad Johnson couldn't play longer. If he and Kobe ever paired up, that would've been historical. Chip please and thank you.

meadowlarklemon
09-03-2012, 08:16 AM
Lots of choices, so I'll go to my favorite ever:

Gus Johnson and Dennis Johnson. They were not the best, but in a sclerotic NBA of the time - they were a breath of fresh air.

i think you meant gus williams

AIsixersFK
09-03-2012, 08:54 AM
Kobe + Fisher......5 rings.

meadowlarklemon
09-03-2012, 09:04 AM
parker and ginobli......without a doubt

bagwell368
09-03-2012, 09:20 AM
i think you meant gus williams

Yeah... him too!

Moncrief and Pressy anyone?

meadowlarklemon
09-03-2012, 09:58 AM
Yeah... him too!

Moncrief and Pressy anyone?

what made the williams, johnson backcourt even sweeter was downtown freddie brown comin' off the bench. damn!

was pressey a guard?

Corey
09-03-2012, 10:49 AM
Isiah and Dumars, Frazier and Monroe, Cousy and Jones

Today? I cant say Kobe and Nash yet...They haven't played together. Same with Deron and JJ. Same with Lawson and Iggy.

Tony Parker and Manu, when Manu starts?

bagwell368
09-03-2012, 10:56 AM
what made the williams, johnson backcourt even sweeter was downtown freddie brown comin' off the bench. damn!

was pressey a guard?

He was a combo guard/forward. But I figured I'd crowbar him in.

Yeah, Downtown Freddie was what was around before Vinnie the Microwave. BTW, who gave Vinnie his nickname? No fair looking it up.

Also for those fans that like "coulda been's" - Moncrief is at or near the top of that list.

Bruno
09-03-2012, 01:53 PM
West/Goodrich, 1972, is really interesting from a statistical point of view.

they both put up 26 ppg from the regular season. both shot over 47% from the field, and over 81% from the line. they combined for 7.8 rebounds per game, and 14.2 assists per game. they both had PERs over 20.0, and they combined for 25.6 regular season win-shares.

also discovered something new through this. TS% is slightly unfair towards the generation of sharp shooting wings who played in the era before the creation of the three point line. Look at Gail Goodrich, he shot 49% from the field and 85% from the free-throw line (6.8 FTA per game)...yet his TS% was only .548 for the 1972 season :confused:

here's some present day context (shots attempted per game in parenthesis):

2012 James Harden: 49.1 FG% (10.1), 84.6% from the line (6.0), 39% from three (4.7)
1972 Gail Goodrich: 48.7% FG% (20.7), 85% from the line (6.8), no three point FG in '72.

Yet...

'12 Harden TS%: .660% :drool:
'72 Goodrich TS%: .548% ...good, but modest.

Harden killing it from three (39% on 4.7 attempts per game) blasts him into elite TS% territory. Obviously there's no way today to prove that Goodrich would have been as successful from behind the arc as Harden was in 2012, but he is known as one of the greatest sharp-shooteres in league history. i'd imagine that the TS% of a Gail Goodrich, or a Jerry West would have been much higher in a league where they get credit for three point field goals, shots that they certainly would have mastered. anybody have any take on this?

Bruno
09-03-2012, 02:05 PM
as far as today? it's gotta be Westbrook/Harden, until they are dethroned. they topped Parker/Ginobli by slight margins. they went deeper into the playoffs. and we haven't seen Nash/Bryant, Williams/Johnson, or Lawson/Iggy yet, as several posters have already said.

gotta be westbrook/harden as of last season.

Bruno
09-03-2012, 03:05 PM
West/Goodrich, 1972, is really interesting from a statistical point of view.

they both put up 26 ppg from the regular season. both shot over 47% from the field, and over 81% from the line. they combined for 7.8 rebounds per game, and 14.2 assists per game. they both had PERs over 20.0, and they combined for 25.6 regular season win-shares.

also discovered something new through this. TS% is slightly unfair towards the generation of sharp shooting wings who played in the era before the creation of the three point line. Look at Gail Goodrich, he shot 49% from the field and 85% from the free-throw line (6.8 FTA per game)...yet his TS% was only .548 for the 1972 season :confused:

here's some present day context (shots attempted per game in parenthesis):

2012 James Harden: 49.1 FG% (10.1), 84.6% from the line (6.0), 39% from three (4.7)
1972 Gail Goodrich: 48.7% FG% (20.7), 85% from the line (6.8), no three point FG in '72.

Yet...

'12 Harden TS%: .660% :drool:
'72 Goodrich TS%: .548% ...good, but modest.

Harden killing it from three (39% on 4.7 attempts per game) blasts him into elite TS% territory. Obviously there's no way today to prove that Goodrich would have been as successful from behind the arc as Harden was in 2012, but he is known as one of the greatest sharp-shooteres in league history. i'd imagine that the TS% of a Gail Goodrich, or a Jerry West would have been much higher in a league where they get credit for three point field goals, shots that they certainly would have mastered. anybody have any take on this?

http://www.nba.com/lakers/video/7172_goodrich
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PYxhdpdNEI

GodsSon
09-03-2012, 03:10 PM
Though it was only for a few months, I thought the Payton-Cassell duo was sweet for the Bucks.

Parker and Ginobili have also done well for themselves.

xILLN355
09-03-2012, 03:28 PM
Chauncey and Rip.

oh god. add in the two wallaces and its the best front court as well
.... i miss those pistons

NJBASEBALL22
09-03-2012, 03:39 PM
White Chocolate+Peja

NJBASEBALL22
09-03-2012, 03:53 PM
Magic and Norm Nixon
Frazier and Pearl
West and Goodrich
Drexler and Porter or Drexler and Strickland
Chauncey and Rip
Mark Price and Ron Harper
Parker and Manu
Kidd and Carter (and I hate Carter)

lamzoka
09-03-2012, 04:30 PM
Jordan and the other guy

D-Leethal
09-03-2012, 04:58 PM
Clyde and Pearl

SanAntonioSpurs23
09-03-2012, 08:14 PM
Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili

Just because Manu came off the bench for many years doesnt mean he wasn't getting starter minutes. It's really not who starts, it's who finishes the games. The only reason Manu came off the bench was because the Spurs bench lacked a player who could create for themselves on the bench.

lookie8
09-03-2012, 08:23 PM
Stumpy & Jerry West

Dumars & Thomas

Kidd & Kittles

Gus Williams and Dennis Johnson

Steve Nash and Joe Johnson

Mo Cheeks and Andrew Toney

Hawkeye15
09-03-2012, 08:29 PM
Well Harden is in that Manu role as well, so if you exclude Parker/Ginobili, then you'd have to take out Russ/Harden.

uh, that is exactly what I was saying dude, haha. But yeah, if a bench player is allowed, due to that teams coach liking to bring his CLEARLY better guard off the bench, then all of this changes for me.

Hawkeye15
09-03-2012, 08:31 PM
If Parker/Ginobili doesn't count than neither does Westbrook/Harden for the very same reasons.

duh dude, that is exactly what I was trying to bring up. If Manu/Parker count, then it changes this all together for me, since a decent amount of great duo's have had a non-starter amongst them.

BobbyHillSwag
09-04-2012, 08:40 AM
Iverson and whoever