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Catfish1314
08-25-2012, 01:11 AM
Every summer, PSD holds a game which mocks that year's NBA offseason. This year, users from the site were randomly assigned the reigns of NBA franchises and had to utilize their skills via draft, trades, and free agency to improve their teams. At the end of the game, GMs voted on how they believed the regular season of this game would shake up. These are the playoffs of PSD's 2012 NBA Mock Offseason.

Please take the time to consider each line up, the match-up itself, and vote on which team you believe would win in a seven game series.

The Pacers have homecourt advantage in these Finals.

Pacers Depth Chart:

C: Roy Hibbert | Ronny Turiaf
PF: Josh Smith | Brandon Bass | Draymond Green
SF: Danny Granger | Matt Barnes | Jeffrey Taylor
SG: Dwyane Wade | Marco Bellinelli | Darius Miller
PG: Stephen Curry | Mario Chalmers

Rockets Depth Chart:

PG: Steve Nash 36/Shannon Brown 12
SG: Mikael Pietrus 23/Rip Hamilton 20/Shannon Brown 5
SF: Hedo Turkoglu 34/Corey Brewer 14
PF: Kevin Garnett 30/Amir Johnson 18
C: Dwight Howard 40/Kevin Garnett 5/Amir Johnson 3

Pacers Write-up:


Congratulations to xxplayerxx23 & aussieNOHfan for doing an incredible job with the Houston Rockets and building a championship caliber team. They took a very risky path and their risks paid off for them and it was nothing short of a phenomenal job. So I :clap: you for the job you two have done in building the Rockets. Great job fellas.

Now onto the match-up:

Before we delve into how the Pacers match-up with the Rockets there have been a few key concerns that were points brought up in past match-ups that I was saving to answer for the potential of making the Finals that will be addressed now.

Can Dwyane Wade still lead a championship caliber team as the #1 option?
Others have pointed to the past two years and how his numbers haven’t been as great as when he was the man, but people are forgetting how that Heat team completely changed in it’s dynamics. They didn’t bring in some other very good talent. They brought in the best player in the world and adhered to that players strengths on the court to maximize that teams’ potential. It just so happened that that player played a style/role that was very much like Wade’s. Wade was the one who had to adjust and change for the better. It’s not an easy adjustment to make. If anything for Wade it is more natural for him and his abilities to assume the #1 option role and as a dynamic playmaker option in what you would assume a playmaker to be in its entirety. In the six seasons prior to James arriving to Miami, Wade averaged 6.5 assists in 6 seasons straight. For a SG that is a very telling statistic that Wade has the ability to be that type of playmaker on a consistent basis. There should be no doubt in anyones’ mind that in a role that Wade is far more accustomed to and with an explosive supporting cast around him that was built perfectly for him to maximize his abilities to be in that role.

The Pacers have far too many shoot-first options on the team/offensive chemistry would be a struggle at times?
This is why I will tell you this mind-set is wrong. As much as fans of the NBA want to avoid admitting it, the truth is, this is a superstar’s league now. The players brought in on the Pacers aren’t a clash of talent but a mesh of talent. Stephen Curry is one of the best spot-up shooters in the league and is a mega-efficient scorer. His ability to stretch the floor and be a secondary ball-handler next to Wade is a perfect fit. Granger’s role has been evolved over last season as a few of the other younger talents grew and became more talented shifting to a more balanced line-up. Grangers’ ability to be an ISO scorer as well as being a damn good spot-up shooter benefits Wade as well. With our perimeter players we have a dynamic that not many teams have. They are all capable and able to play off each other. Josh Smith being a concern for his shot-selection is one that we are also well aware of but keep in mind he hasn’t played on a team with this amount of talent, floor-spacing, and playmaking ability from everywhere on the court. The Pacers aren’t just a makeshift group of star players. It’s a group of players that mesh extremely well together due to their ability to mesh with each other’s strengths. More will be delved into as the write-up progresses.

Now onto the match-up itself:
The Pacers match-up brilliantly with the Houston Rockets. The Rockets have been able to move on this far for one key reason: they haven’t faced a team to exploit the fact that the Rockets have the worst perimeter rotation of all playoff teams. They’ve been able to lean on their interior defense because teams flat out haven’t been able to exploit that weakness. Well the Pacers are a different type of monster the Rockets haven’t faced.

The Pacers’ strengths: A mesh of dynamic perimeter players lead by Dwyane Wade and a versatile and strong defensive rotation in the frontcourt.

This is a nightmare match-up for the Rockets.

The Rockets depend on three players to be their team. Two of those players: Steve Nash and Kevin Garnett would be entering their 17th and 18th season respectively. Their complete lack of depth is going to be the undoing of the Rockets as well.

PG Match-Up:
Stephen Curry/ Mario Chalmers
Vs.
Steve Nash / Shannon Brown

At first you can look and see that Nash is the better PG than Stephen Curry is right now and that isn’t arguable. But, keep in mind that Curry’s role on this team doesn’t get affected by Nash’s presence in the series. Curry is going to be a secondary ball-handler as well as be a nuisance by forcing Nash to do something he has never been quite good at: defense. Curry in spot-up situations averaged 1.38 PPP which was 3rd in the NBA and equates to nearly a 69% TS% and over 50% from 3’s! Over 50% from 3’s on spot-up opportunities is absolutely insane. Nash was horrendous in defending the spot-up last year allowing nearly 1.02 PPP and ranking 268th in the league. The opportunities Curry will be able to exploit as he is able to maneuver through the perimeter and the niches of open floor space as the Rockets will be scrambling to account for the absolute lack of defense from their perimeter will give Curry the opportunity to shine in this series.

Nash, basing this off as a Mock season is played out and then going through three very physical post-season series with PG’s capable of physically giving Nash a problem, and having no adequate reserve for Nash is going to put a lot of stress on Nash. Nash is one of the best conditioned athletes in the NBA but you are asking a lot out of a 39 year old Nash to carry a team offensively which is what he’ll have to do.

Shannon Brown is not a PG nor can he operate as a PG in any stint. Mario Chalmers not only has chemistry with Wade has the ability to share minutes with Curry to help keep Curry healthy and save him for the biggest stage of it all: the PSD NBA Mock Finals.

With Nash’s lingering lower back problems, a lack of any semblance of a back-up PG to spell Nash, and him evolving more into a facilitator mind-set player can you expect Nash to really handle such a lofty offensive role in this series? I don’t think so.

Advantage: Draw

SG Match-Up:
Dwyane Wade / Marco Belinelli
vs.
Rip Hamilton/Mikael Pietrus/Shannon Brown/Corey Brewer

This is what changes the series. The dominance of Dwyane Wade. The Rockets have no chance of slowing down or containing Wade in this series. Wade might have gotten older but he is still one of the best dynamic playmakers in the league and able to score in a flurry of ways. His ability to post-up, his ability to get into the open spaces of the floor, his ability to get to the rim, and his ability to draw fouls is going to be huge in this series. Richard Hamilton flat out shouldn’t be a team with championship aspirations best perimeter player and unfortunately for the Rockets he is. He hasn’t been able to be a consistent player over the last three years and his play has fallen off immensely. Wade is going to put a lot of pressure on the Rockets with his ability to get to the lane because flat-out there aren’t many wing defenders in the league who can consistently stay in front of Wade and Wade specializes in getting to the free throw line. Wade averages 8.9 FTA per game for his career. With Wade driving and slashing to the basket creating fouls and forcing the Rockets’ defense to collapse it’ll allow for the great floor-spacers of Curry and Granger to maximize and do what they excel at: spot-up shots from three which they hit at an incredibly efficient rate. Wade will absolutely take over this series offensively in his ability to facilitate, score, and get to the foul line.

It won’t matter if it’s Hamilton, Pietrus, Brown, or Brewer. The 2x NBA Finals Champion and 1x NBA Finals MVP knows what it takes to win a championship and is licking his chops at a chance to dominate such a horrible perimeter.

Advantage: Huge Advantage Pacers.

SF Match-Up:
Danny Granger/Matt Barnes
vs
SF: Hedo Turkogly/Corey Brewer/Mikael Pietrus

This is another huge advantage for the Pacers. Many believe Granger has slumped off this past year but it isn’t true at all. For a #1 option his USG% surely doesn’t indicate that he is consistently being used as so. If anything his USG% of 25.9 proves to show he can be an elite #2 option which he can be here in Indiana next to Wade. Granger has always been an efficient scorer and even in his perceived down year he was a very consistent scorer. Granger will abuse Hedo. Hedo hasn’t been even an averagely solid player in two years. Hedo is a miserable defender and Granger will be able to capitalize on that throughout the series. One again, the Rockets have been able to get this far due to the fact they weren’t able to face an opponent that could expose their horrible wing rotation but the Pacers have a trio of players that will and can carry them to expose the Rockets in this series. Granger shoots 38.4% from 3 and is a very strong defender. He also is very, very careful with the ball as he does not turn the ball over much. It doesn’t matter who the Rockets throw at Granger in this series because Granger will be able to capitalize and absolutely demolish any of the wing players they throw at him.

Advantage: Huge Advantage Pacers

Bottom Line: The Bulls want to get rid of Hamilton because they know he is on his last toes, Mickael Pietrus is another worn out veteran who can’t get a job, Corey Brewer can’t get consistent minutes and even when he does is a marginally average rotational player, Hedo well he’s Hedo and Shannon Brown isn’t good depth either. The Rockets can throw these players at our wings but they have proved to be ineffective role players over the past few years. While Wade is a top 3-5 player in the league and a dominant player while Granger has the ability and will have the opportunity in this series to flat out dominate. The Rockets don’t have depth, they have pretty poor players that they are desperate to lean on due to having no other choice.

PF Match-Up:
Josh Smith/Brandon Bass
Vs.
Kevin Garnett/Amir Johnson

&

C Match-Up:
Roy Hibbert / Josh Smith / Ronny Turiaf
Vs.
Dwight Howard/ Amir Johnson

There is a key reason to why we wanted to group this positional match-up. It’s to show a huge problem for the Rockets that should have affected them long ago. Just as Nash is going to be asked to carry this team offensively due to the lack of depth and so will a 37 year old KG. No doubt is KG still a beast and one of the best defensive players in the league but keep in mind that KG’s season was revitalized to one key-change: his move to the Center position. Now he’s back at the PF position in which anyone who saw him started to see his decline. KG is going to have log in major minutes during the season as well as had to log in major minutes throughout the Rockets’ post-season to now having to be called upon to be defended by another great defender in Josh Smith and a player who has the offensive talent to make KG have to worry about his presence. Amir Johnson is an all energy guy who lacks the talent to be a 3rd and ONLY big player to rotate. The Rockets lack depth across the board.

There is no way around it but Dwight Howard is still the best Center in the league and everyone knows it and I won’t try to hide it. I will exploit a few key concerns though: Foul trouble. You can call it a silly point but in this series it will be a major reason for concern. With players like Wade, Hibbert who has the body to body up with Howard and cause some discomfort, Granger, Curry, and Josh Smith. Howard is going to have to be very careful to avoid foul trouble which hasn’t been something he has proven to do so in the past. With such a weak perimeter defense, the Rockets are going to be asking a lot and maybe too much for their interior duo to try and cover up. With an aging KG, an aging Nash, and a Dwight Howard fresh off a BACK INJURY, can you really expect KG and Dwight to cover up ALL their defensive inefficiencies in a series where the Pacers have the firepower, talent, and defensive presences themselves to limit KG/Dwight.

Smith is capable of stretching the floor or being an effective slasher. Making him a dangerous presence on the floor and Hibbert is far too effective to leave open. With such efficient shooters on the perimeter in Curry/Granger as well. The Rockets will have to pay.

The Pacers have Smith, Hibbert, Bass, and Turiaf all to rotate and harass Dwight. Obviously he still has the advantage but how aggressive can Dwight be in this series without it hurting the Rockets?

In previous match-ups KG/Howard were able to either cover up the defensive inefficiencies of their perimeter defense by matching-up against opposing teams with weak perimeter offensive threats or against teams without the post-players to keep KG/Dwight on their toes.

This isn’t a series where they have the luxury of doing both.

Advantage: Rockets, but it isn’t as profound as some would assume.

Conclusion:
The Pacers are just too good, too deep, and too talented for the Rockets team. The Rockets have an extremely talented trio to depend upon in Nash/KG/Howard, but just as I said early the league is a superstar league now but when two of your three superstars have shown age, have shown that a needed change in their position /responsibilities are reverted back to a position to show struggle, and a complete lack of depth will catch up to you which it will in this series.

The Pacers have an onslaught of star players to turn to and star players who mesh perfectly together to take down a team like the Rockets. In many ways, the Pacers are the nightmare that the Rockets wanted to avoid at all costs but now they can’t avoid.

In this series, there will be too much Dwyane Wade, too much Danny Granger, too much Stephen Curry, and a great team effort to force the Rockets to depend on talent on the roster that they just don’t have. To put frankly, there will be too much Indiana Pacers!

Pacers win this series in 6 games.

Rockets Write-up Part I:


Congratulations to PK, PSK, and Rosh for making the Finals. You guys did a great job.

Matchup: PG Steve Nash VS Stephen Curry
Curry has not proved he can stay healthy. Curry is a young up and coming PG that can spread the floor. Nash would have trouble on the defensive side of the ball. Nash is a very important piece to my team, if he gets going the opposing team is in trouble. Curry is not a good defender, he is almost as bad as Nash is so Nash will take advantage and be more of a scorer in this series which is needed. Nash being able to score just makes things easier for the Rockets on the offensive side of the ball. Nash with talent around him like this can be considered a top 5-8 PG in the game. Nash is already arguably the best passing PG in the game. Nash as the 3rd option with a favorable matchup is huge. Curry will get his points but Nash will be more of an impact and could be the X factor of the series. Nash will have a huge series IMO and will be a big reason why he and Dwight get their first ring. I know everybody loves numbers so here you go: Nash’s numbers are 17 PPG with 12 assists per game on 51 percent shooting from the field while Curry scored 13 PPG with 4.5 assists per game shooting 42.9 percent. Now he comes the well Nash dominated the matchup 2 years ago, but that is a mistake as well because Nash has played very well against him in just about every game. In 11 game matchups in Curry’s career the most curry has scored against Nash is 25 and that was two years ago and he shot 10 of 25 in that game. Nash has put a hurting on Curry in the past and expect his A game all series as he is hungry for his first Ring. The age debate with Nash is BS. Nash hasn’t played with talented teams and has still put up amazing numbers and has made his team a playoff contender, with the talent he has here it is easy to see that Nash will go off in this series.
Advantage: Rockets

SG: Mickael Pietrus VS Dwyane Wade
A change in the lineup to add to my bench and bring a guy that knows Wade as good as anybody. Wade is great, arguably a top 5-10 player in the game today. But last year his playoff performance took a dip. He shot just 44 percent in the playoffs last year. Wade has slightly slowed down every year since 2008. You figure Wade is going to get his points no matter who guards him but why not make it tough on him. Wade has had a tough time in the past when Pietrus has guarded him. http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player-vs-player.html#Dwyane-Wade-vs-Mickael-Pietrus|2548,2554;year=201112;season=p that link shows the numbers that Wade had with Pietrus guarding him in last year’s playoffs. He had 19.6 PPG but shot just 44 percent. Pietrus is a solid 3 point shooter overall in his career. Last year he was injured and had a rough time but still shot 34 percent from 3. That should be enough for Wade to at least stay close enough to Pietrus when Houston has the ball. Pietrus is brought to start and have an increase in minutes to make Wade work hard on offense. Wade will see a bunch of different looks in the game to contain him. Dwight and KG in the paint there to make it tough on wade to drive. Wade will get his but Pietrus and company will make it tougher for Wade then he likes. Wade will still be good but not efficient and my team will make it hard on him with that being said it’s pretty obvious who has the advantage.
Advantage: Pacers

SF: Danny Granger VS Hedo Turkoglu
This is the matchup that the Pacers should have fun with. Granger will without a doubt have the advantage in this matchup. Every year Grangers scoring numbers take a dip. He was once a 25 PPG scorer. Since his 08-09 season of 25.6 a game he has went down in scorer each year. He is without a doubt a solid scorer at 18.2 a game, but in the playoffs when his team needed him in the Heat series he disappeared. You can’t disappear in a series when your team needs you. Granger will have an impact in this series but will it be enough? Brewer is going to share some time with Hedo, different looks are going to be thrown at him to keep him contained. Hedo just has to keep a hand in his face and stay on him at all times. Granger will have trouble driving with KG and Dwight down low so he will have to shoot over the top of Hedo all series long. Hedo on offense is there to spread the floor with his 35 percent 3 point shooting and 40 percent last year in the playoffs. Nash-Dwight and KG being there will lead to him having opened looks all game. Granger will get his in the series but this isn’t 25 PPG scoring Granger anymore.
Advantage: Pacers

PF Kevin Garnett VS Josh SmithJosh Smith, alethic freak good help defender, solid rebounder. The Problem with Smith is he isn’t an efficient scorer. He had a solid playoff series numbers wise 16 and 13 but if you look more in-depth you see that it wasn’t that good of a series. He shot 38 percent from the field as a PF. That’s even more pathetic then his 45 percent in the regular season. He doesn’t have an outside game at all which allows KG to just give him the mid-range/3 point shot all game long. Smith isn’t afraid to shoot from the outside if open too bad he isn’t much of a shooter and that’s why he struggles in offensive efficiency. Smith defensively is not as great as he seems. Man to Man defense he isn’t the best, Smith at his best is a help defender. He likes to stay and help in the paint so this matchup will keep him out of his comfort level all series long. Last year in the playoffs KG scored 18 and 10.8 when Smith was on the floor and Smith shot 37 percent while scoring 14 and 11 when guarded by KG. Smith will have trouble putting points on the board and defending KG. KG has been very impressive in the playoffs and would be a big factor in this series. Smith’s non ability to spread the floor allows KG to help with Wade and Granger. I expect KG to take full advantage of Smith liking to be more of a help defender then a man to man defender. KG will get his points and will contain smith from having much of an offensive impact. Smith has the slight advantage in rebounding but KG is close enough and is a tough rebounder. KG as a number 2 option is perfect for the team and the Rockets will be champs because of it.
Advantage: Rockets

C: Dwight Howard VS Roy Hibbert
This is a big advantage. Roy had a good year last year. Hibbert is a solid defender but nobody can stop Dwight one on one. Hibbert for the most part stays in the paint and that allows Dwight to be a playmaker. Hibbert isn’t much of an offensive player. Last year he was a 12 and 11 players. Dwight would pick him apart and keep him on lock. This is a matchup that really can change the series, Dwight automatically has the ability to take over against any matchup but this is a major advantage. Hibbert isn’t the type of shut down defender which is going to make the double come more often than not, but having 3 solid 3 point shooters and KG being automatic from the mid-range this will cause problems for the Pacers. If they choose to just let Dwight get his and go one on one for most of the time Dwight will win this series. Playmaker on defense and just dominate the inside all series long. I expect some stats to be thrown out from the Pacers side to try and convince you Hibbert can contain Dwight but I’d like for them to find some. A look inside the matchup with stats shows Dwight has dominated completely. Hibbert’s stats were 10 points 2 rebounds 2 blocks while Dwight dominated with 30 and 13 5 assists 2 blocks and shot 8-12 points. The other game was Hibbert putting up 10and 5 2 blocks 5 fouls and shot 5-11. Dwight dominated that game as well 27 points 9 rebounds and 3 steals 2 blocks on 10 -16 shooting. Dwight Hibbert had a good stats game 16 and 12 on 5-17 shooting. Dwight cause problems for Roy and Roy will be a non-factor in this series and Dwight will dominate just like in previous matchups. Dwight Howard will be a playmaker and change this series completely. Roy will be in foul trouble and Dwight will have Wade and Granger out of the paint, Dwight and KG being two of the best help defenders and Pietrus being a tough feisty defender that knows Wade well will be big in this series.
Advantage: Rockets

Bench:
Bass is a great bench player and Chalmers is a solid one as well. Their depth isn’t that good and bass will have to come in and guard Dwight/KG because most of the time they will be in the game. Amir Johnson can rebound and play some solid defense off the bench. Rip brings a spark off the bench with Shannon Brown. Neither of these team has great depth; the Pacers have the advantage because of the quality Bass brings. Rip and Brown will spark the bench offensively and Brewer brings some hustle off the bench. Marco can shoot the 3 but isn’t that good. Overall Bench will not play much of a factor in the championship. I like having two scorers that can spark the bench in Rip and Brown. Chalmers is an average playmaker off the bench. But I won’t pretend like the Rockets have the advantage, but scoring off the bench will be close.
Advantage: Pacers

Catfish1314
08-25-2012, 01:12 AM
Rockets Write-up Part II:


Why I think I will win a 7 game series:
Well as you can see by the matchups this is going to be a close series. Wade will score well and so will Granger. The problem with them is their 3rd option on offense will have a tough matchup. KG will limit Smith and Nash has proven to give Curry some problems in their 11 matchups. Curry can’t be the 3rd option so Smith will be forced to shoulder more of the load. Smith is not efficient at all so there 3rd option will struggle as my 3rd option will not. Nash scoring well with Dwight going crazy is huge. I don’t think the Pacers can stop Nash or Dwight in this series. Like I said Smith has trouble outside of the paint and is out of comfort. My team is more efficient on offense and has two of the best defenders in the game at the 4-5 combos. Dwight and Nash are really the keys to this series. It will not be a cake walk for either team but I have the Rockets coming out on top in 6 or 7 games. The help defense of KG and Dwight will be huge in hiding the weakness of the wing position. Here is how I see it; Nash will abuse Curry while Granger goes off VS Hedo. Wade will have some tough baskets but will do very well VS his matchup but Dwight will do as well as anybody in this series. Dwight has taken over series by himself now he has some help and a huge advantage. Dwight-Hibbert and KG –Smith is the main reason I see the Rockets coming on top. Nash as a 3rd option has gone through some tough PG matchups in Chris Paul, Tony Parker, and Russell Westbrook. Curry is not in that league and Nash will have the big advantage on offense. Rockets in 6 or 7 games.

Rotation: Notice the change in bold

PG: Nash 36/Brown 12
SG: Pietrus 23/Rip 20/Brown 5
SF: Hedo 34/Brewer14
PF: KG 30/Amir 18
C: Dwight 40/KG5/Amir 3

xxplayerxx23
08-25-2012, 01:15 AM
Wow the finals :jumpy: Look at the write ups please before voting

Sadds The Gr8
08-25-2012, 01:15 AM
Rockets have Ronnie Brewer? I thought that was Corey....if it's Ronnie, then the Rockets should've started him over pietrus

Catfish1314
08-25-2012, 01:16 AM
It's Corey. I had to put in the last names and got my Brewers confused.

xxplayerxx23
08-25-2012, 01:16 AM
Its corey.

xxplayerxx23
08-25-2012, 01:19 AM
Real quick my thoughts. Curry has struggled against Nash big time. Go look at the numbers I posted. Pietrus has made it tough on Wade in the past Can wade carry a team anymore?. Granger would go off. Smith isnt effiecent enough he also stays in the paint a lot so he has to go out of comfort and Dwight destroys Hibbert in there past matchups. IMO Dwight will take over the series more then Wade and Nash will be huge in this series. He wants his ring and has a great matchup to destroy. Look at their h2h matchups :)

roshan3ai
08-25-2012, 01:20 AM
We've come out of the gates real quick with this 2-1 lead. Let's sustain it :)

xxplayerxx23
08-25-2012, 01:21 AM
:laugh: Its really 0to 0 :p

Corey
08-25-2012, 01:32 AM
Pacers have a much more balanced lineup and no glaring weaknesses.

Wade and Granger would tear apart the Houston wings.

Houston has an advantage in the post, but Smith + Hibbert aren't scrubs.

Pacers in 6.

Sadds The Gr8
08-25-2012, 01:36 AM
Rockets have big advantage in the post, Pacers have big advantage on the wings.

Howard owns Hibbert, and Smoove is pathetic in the playoffs, but Wade and Granger would kill the Rockets wing palyers. this is close.

xxplayerxx23
08-25-2012, 01:38 AM
Dwight impacts the series more then Wade at this point. Playmaking defense and destroys hibbert. Smith would have his hands full with KG. Pietrus makes it harder then most do on wade.

Greet
08-25-2012, 01:45 AM
I think the Rockets experience would be too much for the Pacers

xxplayerxx23
08-25-2012, 01:47 AM
Granger was a no show when the pacers needed him vs the Heat in round 2. Maybe he does the same in the finals :shrug: He isnt a great postseason player :)

Sadds The Gr8
08-25-2012, 01:48 AM
also think the Nash+Howard PnR would be money. I think Curry and Hibbert will have lots of trouble with that

PocketKings
08-25-2012, 02:05 AM
Granger was a no show when going up against the best player in the league in Lebron James. The Rockets have absolutely nothing to throw at Granger to slow him down. It might as well be a shoot around for Granger.

Dwight impacts this series more than Wade? How so?

Hibbert may not be an elite defensive player but the guy has the ability to at least be a factor in defending Dwight.

The Nash/Dwight PNR would be effective in stints but there are ways to combat it and slow it down.

The Rockets still have no answer for Wade/Granger taking over this series offensively.

Keep in mind too with an aging Nash, Nash's ability to be able to score at a high-clip hasn't been seen recently. Even on a weaker PHX team in contention for a playoff spot it wasn't Nash being the type of all around playmaker you'd want to raise the level of PHX. Nash has became really a pure facilitator with the ability to shoot the 3 ball at a high rate and not much more.

If you really think Mickael Pietrus or any of your perimeter players are going to slow down Wade in this series, you are either A) insane or B) Not that bright.

Pietrus cannot slow down Wade. Period.

For goodness sake, Pietrus can't even get a job in the league right now!

Smith and Hibbert don't have to worry about playing any help off of their men because our wings can mangle their wings on both ends of the floors. So although KG/Dwight is a handful, Smith/Hibbert can limit and make their lives miserable in a 7 game series.

Wade/Granger are going to run amuck all series long.

MackSnackWrap
08-25-2012, 02:07 AM
This is really close but id have to go with the pacers.

PocketKings
08-25-2012, 02:10 AM
On top of the fact that the only actual offense the Rockets are going to be able to run is through Nash is the fact that who else is going to be able to create an important shot for them when it counts? Nobody.

If Nash isn't playing 40+ MPG that offense is going straight to crap. Oh guess what? Nash can't play 40+ MPG like he used to. Not only that, Nash has lingering back problems.

Nash is quite literally there only player that can create offense and albeit he is still one of the best facilitators in the game. The fact is the Rockets don't have the defense in this series due to their wings or the offense to stay in this series.

Josh Smith help anchor a top 6 defense in the NBA last season. He isn't a slouch and would do a good job on Kevin Garnett.

Keep in mind, KG was having quite a lackluster year to start the year playing the PF position until he was moved to Center and revitalized his season. He's back at PF people and his ability to control the paint would be limited severely with the fact that Josh Smith is a slasher/spot-up shooter/able to stretch the floor with the mid-range. Not to mention KG is going to have to find a way to cover up the deficiencies for their horrendous wing players.

Smith might not be "efficient" but you leave him open and give him a lane he's going to make you pay.

Even with that said, a vast majority of our offense is coming through Curry - Wade - Granger which the Suns have no answer for.

Hibbert isn't some slouch either.

He can play and body with Dwight. Is he stopping Dwight? No. But he'll limit him.

homestarunner93
08-25-2012, 02:22 AM
Corey's vote counts as a GM vote here, right?

MintBerryCrunch
08-25-2012, 03:02 AM
Rockets due to that solid front court and Nash's distributing skills

Ebbs
08-25-2012, 03:14 AM
Corey's vote counts as a GM vote here, right?

relentless

Mr. Baller
08-25-2012, 09:36 AM
Pacers in 5. Too much dominance on the wings.

The_Jamal
08-25-2012, 09:50 AM
Interesting series. A few thoughts:

-Team PSKPKROSH knows how to hype up their guys. We saw this, "The 2x NBA Finals Champion and 1x NBA Finals MVP knows what it takes to win a championship and is licking his chops at a chance to dominate such a horrible perimeter."
Every series

-A Nash PnR with Howard and KG would decimate Curry/Hibby

-Benches are a wash imo and neither are very good.

-I like Pietrus as a defender on Wade, but having 2 huge advantages on the wings with Wade/Granger is a lot for the Rockets to overcome

- I still don't 100% buy into the Pacers offense working

-The Pacers can put Wade on Nash at times and hide Curry on Pietrus/Rip. I'd gladly let those 2 beat me if over Nash

All in all, the Pacers wing advantage is just too much to overcome. Wade might have lost a step or 2 and I totally don't see how this offense would work, but it would not matter going against Rip/Pietrus/Hedo. Pacers in 6

KnicksorBust
08-25-2012, 10:46 AM
It's a shame this wasn't Blazers-Pacers. That would have been closer.

Congrats Pacers. You definately earned your title. :)

greg_ory_2005
08-25-2012, 11:23 AM
Pacers. Congrats to both teams for getting this far.

Mr. Baller
08-25-2012, 11:26 AM
It's a shame this wasn't Blazers-Pacers. That would have been closer.

Congrats Pacers. You definately earned your title. :)

:nod:

Corey
08-25-2012, 11:29 AM
Corey's vote counts as a GM vote here, right?

You're failing miserably at baiting me.

Mr. Baller
08-25-2012, 11:40 AM
Wow the finals :jumpy: Look at the write ups please before voting

I read them, it made me want to vote Pacers more.

DR_1
08-25-2012, 11:44 AM
Rockets in 7. Post is just too much for Indiana, and the Rockets have the best player on the floor.

DR_1
08-25-2012, 11:46 AM
You're failing miserably at baiting me.

You would no, seeing as how you're one of PSD's biggest trolls.

xxplayerxx23
08-25-2012, 11:47 AM
I read them, it made me want to vote Pacers more.

:shrug: Did I say it would make you want to vote for me? We both put work into it so I asked that they were read.

Mr. Baller
08-25-2012, 11:47 AM
You would no, seeing as how you're one of PSD's biggest trolls.

Reported for baiting

Mr. Baller
08-25-2012, 11:48 AM
:shrug: Did I say it would make you want to vote for me? We both put work into it so I asked that they were read.

Ok well I read them. You're welcome.

xxplayerxx23
08-25-2012, 11:53 AM
11 voteswiththe illegals. I see it like this, Nash really dominates his matchups against Curry. Curry hasnt even done what he does best against him. He has had one good game vs him scoring wise and that was on 10-25 shooting. Nash dominates on the offensive side and now has Howard and KG to run PnR game. Smith isn't that good of a man to man defender he is a great help defender but doesnt like to go out of the paint much, now he has to guard KG. Smith is a horrible offensive player needs the ball in his hands and wasnt efficent. We have no answer for Granger but he will be kept out of the paint because smith and Hibbert dont have outside games. Granger is great but there isnt two basketballs on the court. Wade has the advantage but lets not forget Pietrus has seen Wade a lot and guards him tight. It would be a close series but I see Dwight taking over against Hibbet like he has in the past. Nash makes instant chemstry and I have to solid 3 point shooters to spread the floor. Close series but I thought the Rockets had a chance in 7.

xxplayerxx23
08-25-2012, 11:53 AM
Ok well I read them. You're welcome.

Thank you. *shows Baller the door*

xxplayerxx23
08-25-2012, 11:57 AM
Homestar and corey have to have a sit down. I dont get what Corey did to help the Pacers :confused: Did I miss something?

DR_1
08-25-2012, 11:57 AM
Oh ya, congrats on both teams getting this far. I picked the Rockets, but all GMs did a great job. Good jon guys :cheers:

Mr. Baller
08-25-2012, 11:58 AM
Still here

carter15
08-25-2012, 12:03 PM
I've never seen a matchup between Dwight and Hibbert where Hibbert wasn't in foul trouble after 5 minutes. Also Josh Smith can't be trusted and I don't have much faith in Granger either in big games.

Wade is a big advantage, but so is Dwight and KG. I say Rockets.

xxplayerxx23
08-25-2012, 12:04 PM
I've never seen a matchup between Dwight and Hibbert where Hibbert wasn't in foul trouble after 5 minutes. Also Josh Smith can't be trusted and I don't have much faith in Granger either in big games.

Wade is a big advantage, but so is Dwight and KG. I say Rockets.

:nod:

xxplayerxx23
08-25-2012, 12:05 PM
Nash and Dwight are hungry for their 1st rings and KG wants a second :D

Corey
08-25-2012, 12:43 PM
You would no, seeing as how you're one of PSD's biggest trolls.

Reported for baiting:hi5:

StarvingKnick22
08-25-2012, 12:51 PM
pacers with Wade as MVP. After all, Defense always wins.

xxplayerxx23
08-25-2012, 12:55 PM
pacers with Wade as MVP. After all, Defense always wins.

I have no problem with you voting Pacers, but Wade MVP? Defense always wins? Rockets D is just as good if not better on the defensive side.

DR_1
08-25-2012, 01:04 PM
pacers with Wade as MVP. After all, Defense always wins.

This comment really doesn't make any sense.

homestarunner93
08-25-2012, 01:12 PM
You're failing miserably at baiting me.

If you think that is baiting, you have a very loose definition of it.


Homestar and corey have to have a sit down. I dont get what Corey did to help the Pacers :confused: Did I miss something?

Yes.

Super.
08-25-2012, 02:03 PM
I don't think that Pietrus could stay out of foul trouble against Wade, he's far more of a backup winger than any kind of starter.

Wade and Granger go nuts in this series, and the advantage there is greater there, than Nash over Curry, KG over Smith, and Dwight over Hibbert.

Not to mention the Pacers have the superior bench too.

It's a close series, that could go to 7, but the Pacers ultimately win

xxplayerxx23
08-25-2012, 02:07 PM
Well Pietrus has done a solid job against wade and Hibbert doesnt leave the paint when Wade goes into the paint he will have two of the best help defenders there. Not saying we could stop wade but we could make it tough on him. No answer for Granger you are correct, but Nash owns Curry Smith is a no show come playoff time and Dwight destroys Hibbert in h2h matcups. The bench is a wash come finals time starters play more. I think it is a very close series/

xxplayerxx23
08-25-2012, 03:16 PM
bump I guess :shrug:

xxplayerxx23
08-25-2012, 03:53 PM
39to 23 :sigh:

Rivera
08-25-2012, 05:33 PM
Corey's vote counts as a GM vote here, right?

it shouldnt, when KoB commisshed games he tried not to vote and was the deciding vote when it was needed. im going to co-commish the wrestling redraft and i wont vote for any matchups because i dont want to sway voters or influence them as commissioner, i know youve ran many NFL games and i dont think i ever saw you vote

also this just proves how bias these games are...i would go into more detail (just look at the vote totals everyone who participated in this game voted pacers, everyone outside voted rockets) but then ill be either "baiting" or "trolling" and it will hurt my chances with these guys in future psd nba games not like they dont vote against me all the time anyway

and these guys say they never vote based on gm....

let me stop here because i could keep going but im running a game myself and i cant get in trouble being a commish of a game

Mr. Baller
08-25-2012, 06:58 PM
it shouldnt, when KoB commisshed games he tried not to vote and was the deciding vote when it was needed. im going to co-commish the wrestling redraft and i wont vote for any matchups because i dont want to sway voters or influence them as commissioner, i know youve ran many NFL games and i dont think i ever saw you vote

also this just proves how bias these games are...i would go into more detail (just look at the vote totals everyone who participated in this game voted pacers, everyone outside voted rockets) but then ill be either "baiting" or "trolling" and it will hurt my chances with these guys in future psd nba games not like they dont vote against me all the time anyway

and these guys say they never vote based on gm....

let me stop here because i could keep going but im running a game myself and i cant get in trouble being a commish of a game

Commishes vote in pretty much every game. Haven't seen one where one didn't vote. They have the right to vote as much as anybody else.

Next maybe people don't just see KG & Dwight and ****ing cum all over their screen like its the greatest thing ever. I voted for Rockets over Spurs, I thought they could beat them, but I can't see them beating the Pacers. Sure there may be a few people who vote based on GM, but I know most aren't biased. I have co'd with homestar in multiple games and I don't think he has ever voted for me once.

knicks=love
08-25-2012, 08:14 PM
you could cut the tension with a knife in here

juggla53
08-25-2012, 08:36 PM
it shouldnt, when KoB commisshed games he tried not to vote and was the deciding vote when it was needed. im going to co-commish the wrestling redraft and i wont vote for any matchups because i dont want to sway voters or influence them as commissioner, i know youve ran many NFL games and i dont think i ever saw you vote

also this just proves how bias these games are...i would go into more detail (just look at the vote totals everyone who participated in this game voted pacers, everyone outside voted rockets) but then ill be either "baiting" or "trolling" and it will hurt my chances with these guys in future psd nba games not like they dont vote against me all the time anyway

and these guys say they never vote based on gm....

let me stop here because i could keep going but im running a game myself and i cant get in trouble being a commish of a game

dude you are not an expert and you are not swaying other peoples votes strictly becuse you vote for a certain team, just because you spend a lot more time on this site then most people and you have a title of "commish" really means nothing to anyone at all.

some of you guys take this **** wayyy to seriously, to think that your vote is going to have others follow is pretty laughable, how are you different then anyone else on here?

xxplayerxx23
08-25-2012, 08:38 PM
:confused:

xxplayerxx23
08-25-2012, 09:28 PM
This will probably make it worse but bump again :)

xxplayerxx23
08-26-2012, 12:22 AM
Why not bump once again

DR_1
08-26-2012, 12:42 AM
:pity:

xxplayerxx23
08-26-2012, 01:15 AM
:pity:

:cry:

xxplayerxx23
08-26-2012, 11:02 AM
I want to see votes. Show pity for Nash he wants to get a ring so he will explode :nod: Where are you nash lovers? :mad:

xxplayerxx23
08-26-2012, 12:43 PM
Ya baby only 16 more votes lets gooooo

xxplayerxx23
08-26-2012, 01:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcz_kDCBTBk

xxplayerxx23
08-27-2012, 12:04 AM
Since we have to wait for the Redraft Bump.

xxplayerxx23
08-27-2012, 12:51 AM
Count (if i did it right NO I WILL NOT GIVE UP )
Pacers:41
Rockets:27
Lets get some more votes people.
Yes It is :pity: that Im talking to myself :laugh2:

PocketKings
08-28-2012, 03:28 AM
Just want to congratulate xxplayerxx23 for making it this far and putting up a valiant fight in this Finals match-up.

:clap: You did an awesome job for your first mock and I can say that I look forward to competing with you in future games.

Keep up the good work!

:hi5:

Ebbs
08-28-2012, 05:37 AM
Congrats to PK and Rosh and was PSK also part of this team?

PocketKings
08-28-2012, 05:48 AM
Yes, PSK was a part of this team. He has just been in India for the past month or so his contributions in the late game/match-ups weren't possible but he did make major contributions early on especially in FA.

xxplayerxx23
08-28-2012, 01:08 PM
Just want to congratulate xxplayerxx23 for making it this far and putting up a valiant fight in this Finals match-up.

:clap: You did an awesome job for your first mock and I can say that I look forward to competing with you in future games.

Keep up the good work!

:hi5:

thanks PK. Congrates to you guys, did an amazing job and deserved it. :hi5: