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KB-Pau-DH2012
08-22-2012, 10:46 PM
Champions in Post-Jordan Era

1999: San Antonio Spurs (F.MVP Tim Duncan)
Reg Season: 37-13 Playoffs: 15-2

2000: Los Angeles Lakers (F.MVP Shaquille O'Neal)
Reg Season: 67-15 Playoffs: 15-8

2001: Los Angeles Lakers (F.MVP Shaquille O'Neal)
Reg Season: 56-26 Playoffs: 15-1

2002: Los Angeles Lakers (F.MVP Shaquille O'Neal)
Reg Season: 58-24 Playoffs: 15-4

2003: San Antonio Spurs (F.MVP Tim Duncan)
Reg Season: 60-22 Playoffs: 16-8

2004: Detroit Pistons (F.MVP Chauncey Billups)
Reg Season: 54-28 Playoffs: 16-7

2005: San Antonio Spurs (F.MVP Tim Duncan)
Reg Season: 59-23 Playoffs: 16-7

2006: Miami Heat (F.MVP Dwyane Wade)
Reg Season: 52-30 Playoffs: 16-7

2007: San Antonio Spurs (F.MVP Tony Parker)
Reg Season: 58-24 Playoffs: 16-4

2008: Boston Celtics (F.MVP Paul Pierce)
Reg Season: 66-16 Playoffs: 16-10

2009: Los Angeles Lakers (F.MVP Kobe Bryant)
Reg Season: 65-17 Playoffs: 16-7

2010: Los Angeles Lakers (F.MVP Kobe Bryant)
Reg Season: 57-25 Playoffs: 16-7

2011: Dallas Mavericks (F.MVP Dirk Nowitzki)
Reg Season: 57-25 Playoffs: 16-5

2012: Miami Heat (F.MVP LeBron James)
Reg Season: 46-20 Playoffs: 16-7

sneakerhead
08-22-2012, 11:07 PM
2001 Lakers... FTW!!

JNoel
08-22-2012, 11:11 PM
2003 spurs

Yanks All Day
08-22-2012, 11:38 PM
01 Lakers

Everyone else.

Chronz
08-22-2012, 11:52 PM
my brain hurts from trying, how about u give me your list op, then i can tell you where you went wrong instead

Chronz
08-22-2012, 11:59 PM
01 Lakers

Everyone else.

consensus favorite, I think the 99 Spurs dont get their praise.

lakers4sho
08-23-2012, 12:13 AM
ugh too much work

KB-Pau-DH2012
08-23-2012, 12:18 AM
my brain hurts from trying, how about u give me your list op, then i can tell you where you went wrong instead


LLULL, Okay, here it goes.


1. 2001 Lakers
2. 2003 Spurs
3. 2009 Lakers
4. 2000 Lakers
5. 2005 Spurs
6. 2008 Celtics
7. 1999 Spurs
8. 2010 Lakers
9. 2012 Heat
10. 2011 Mavericks
11. 2002 Lakers
12. 2007 Spurs
13. 2006 Heat
14. 2004 Pistons

8kobe24
08-23-2012, 12:23 AM
LLULL, Okay, here it goes.


1. 2001 Lakers
2. 2003 Spurs
3. 2009 Lakers
4. 2000 Lakers
5. 2005 Spurs
6. 2008 Celtics
7. 1999 Spurs
8. 2010 Lakers
9. 2012 Heat
10. 2011 Mavericks
11. 2007 Spurs
12. 2006 Heat
13. 2004 Pistons

I pretty much concur with this list.

49erGiantLaker
08-23-2012, 12:28 AM
2001 Lakers is the best on that list. They shouldn't have even lost that 1 game against the 76ers.

lakers4sho
08-23-2012, 12:34 AM
LLULL, Okay, here it goes.


1. 2001 Lakers
2. 2003 Spurs
3. 2009 Lakers
4. 2000 Lakers
5. 2005 Spurs
6. 2008 Celtics
7. 1999 Spurs
8. 2010 Lakers
9. 2012 Heat
10. 2011 Mavericks
11. 2007 Spurs
12. 2006 Heat
13. 2004 Pistons

2002 lakers?

KB-Pau-DH2012
08-23-2012, 12:35 AM
2002 lakers?

I fixed it, thanks.

Longhornfan1234
08-23-2012, 12:46 AM
LLULL, Okay, here it goes.


1. 2001 Lakers
2. 2003 Spurs
3. 2009 Lakers
4. 2000 Lakers
5. 2005 Spurs
6. 2008 Celtics
7. 1999 Spurs
8. 2010 Lakers
9. 2012 Heat
10. 2011 Mavericks
11. 2002 Lakers
12. 2007 Spurs
13. 2006 Heat
14. 2004 Pistons
:facepalm:


The Admiral was on his last leg, Parker was benched for the God Speedy Claxton, and Manu was a rookie. The rest of those scrubs were 3 point specialists. The 05 Spurs would belittle the 03 team.

DListheTRUTH
08-23-2012, 12:48 AM
LLULL, Okay, here it goes.


1. 2001 Lakers
2. 2003 Spurs
3. 2009 Lakers
4. 2000 Lakers
5. 2005 Spurs
6. 2008 Celtics
7. 1999 Spurs
8. 2010 Lakers
9. 2012 Heat
10. 2011 Mavericks
11. 2002 Lakers
12. 2007 Spurs
13. 2006 Heat
14. 2004 Pistons

I think the 09 Lakers are too high. I'd probably take the 08 Celtics over 09 Lakers since 08 KG was awesome but 09 Bynum was solid. Also I'd probably switch 99 and 03 Spurs. It's a good list though

Chronz
08-23-2012, 01:06 AM
:facepalm:


The Admiral was on his last leg, Parker was benched for the God Speedy Claxton, and Manu was a rookie. The rest of those scrubs were 3 point specialists. The 05 Spurs would belittle the 03 team.

I wanted to give his list a chance but to start it off with 2003, what is easily the worst Spurs team to win was pretty shocking. Dont forget how injury riddled the West was.

JerseyPalahniuk
08-23-2012, 01:09 AM
If the 2004 Pistons beat the 2004 Lakers, they could definitely have beaten the 2006 Heat (04 Shaq > 06 Shaq, 04Kobe+Payton > 06Wade). I wouldn't put them last..

hidalgo
08-23-2012, 01:13 AM
08 celtics
99 spurs
05 spurs
06 heat
12 heat
04 pistons
01 lakers
03 spurs
11 mavericks
00 lakers
02 lakers
09 lakers
07 spurs
10 lakers

Chronz
08-23-2012, 01:15 AM
02 Spurs are definitely not better than 04 Pistons. Some of those Laker teams prolly arent either.

Chronz
08-23-2012, 01:19 AM
If the 2004 Pistons beat the 2004 Lakers, they could definitely have beaten the 2006 Heat (04 Shaq > 06 Shaq, 04Kobe+Payton > 06Wade). I wouldn't put them last..

I was thinking of that but Wade in 06 was definitely better than Kobe of 04. Shaq then vs Shaq in Miami is an interesting argument. Jason Williams and James Posey were awesome role players, GP was worse than he was in LA, they also had Antoine Walker but Im not sure if thats a good or bad thing.

I think the 04 Pistons are underrated but its hard getting a handle on where they reside. What makes the other winners so special?

JerseyPalahniuk
08-23-2012, 01:29 AM
I was thinking of that but Wade in 06 was definitely better than Kobe of 04. Shaq then vs Shaq in Miami is an interesting argument. Jason Williams and James Posey were awesome role players, GP was worse than he was in LA, they also had Antoine Walker but Im not sure if thats a good or bad thing.

I think the 04 Pistons are underrated but its hard getting a handle on where they reside. What makes the other winners so special?

Well yeah Wade's Finals run was one of the most dominant I've ever seen but I was saying that the combination of Kobe and Payton was better than Wade+Jason Williams. Payton started all 82 games that season and averaged around 15 5 and 5. And an injured Karl Malone + Shaq is better than Haslem+Shaq in 06. He averaged 21 and 13.5 in '04 playoffs (41 mpg) and 18 and 10 in the '06 playoffs (33mpg). That extra 7mpg alone is a huge difference with his intimidating presence on the court on both ends of the court - even if he was just standing around. Shaq in '04 was definitely better. The Pistons were able to slow down that him and that team significantly. I still think they would be able the beat the '06 Heat in 6 games.

Chronz
08-23-2012, 01:41 AM
99 Spurs, 01 Lakers, 09 Lakers, 08 Celtics, 00 Lakers, 07 Spurs, 04 Pistons, 05 Spurs, 2K12 Heat, 02 Lakers, 2K10 Lakers, 06 Heat, 2K11 Mavs, 03 Spurs

Chronz
08-23-2012, 01:55 AM
Well yeah Wade's Finals run was one of the most dominant I've ever seen but I was saying that the combination of Kobe and Payton was better than Wade+Jason Williams. Payton started all 82 games that season and averaged around 15 5 and 5.
Yea but GP was gassed by playoff time, he led the Lakers in minutes at an age where they should have been monitored closely. Jason Williams was better in the playoffs but its a minimal advantage. Even if you disagree that it was closer in the Lakers favor then you cant disagree with Wade being better. To me a backcourt of Wade, GP, Williams was stronger due. Kobe wasn't his best that season.



And an injured Karl Malone + Shaq is better than Haslem+Shaq in 06.
Injured Malone couldn't do anything in the Finals. Sad but we have to count the injuries and measure the players in that state. Otherwise I would put the 05 Heat on here, they were superior to the team that won the chip, they just had a harder time staying healthy.


He averaged 21 and 13.5 in '04 playoffs (41 mpg) and 18 and 10 in the '06 playoffs (33mpg). That extra 7mpg alone is a huge difference with his intimidating presence on the court on both ends of the court - even if he was just standing around.
06 Shaq defended better in my book. And the reason Shaq played fewer MPG was because they had Alonzo Mourning backing him up. They gave the Heat a constant anchor, whereas the Lakers without Shaq werent much defensively. Still Shaq was better, offensively at least. I think Shaqs more motivated defensive efforts close the gap some. He completely controlled the paint vs Detroit on both ends during the 06 ECF. In 04 he was able to score at will but his defensive effort was lame.


Shaq in '04 was definitely better. The Pistons were able to slow down that him and that team significantly. I still think they would be able the beat the '06 Heat in 6 games.
Your probably right but Shaq was no slouch in 06, I would argue he was at his best in 05 when he came to camp leaner and nearly won his 2nd MVP, but he was much more prone to injury that year. Anyways, in 06 Shaq dominated Detroit. If you go by regular season production, the Center spot was on par for both teams.

agureghian
08-23-2012, 01:58 AM
2001 Lakers... FTW!!

Correct.
the 2001 Lakers were untouchable.
I would give them the edge over some of the early Jordan teams.

JerseyPalahniuk
08-23-2012, 02:26 AM
Great points, Chronz. Completely forgot about Mourning's effect on Shaq's minutes and yeah I didn't consider how hobbled Malone/Payton were by the Finals (I remember that game Malone was limping in). But atleast we agree that the 04 Pistons were better than the 06 Heat from your previous post.

RipCity32
08-23-2012, 02:45 AM
You can tell no one cares or gets excited about defense because the correct answer should be the 04 Pistons,Scoring 70 points on that TEAM was a challenge.

GREATNESS ONE
08-23-2012, 03:09 AM
LLULL, Okay, here it goes.


1. 2001 Lakers
2. 2003 Spurs
3. 2009 Lakers
4. 2000 Lakers
5. 2005 Spurs
6. 2008 Celtics
7. 1999 Spurs
8. 2010 Lakers
9. 2012 Heat
10. 2011 Mavericks
11. 2002 Lakers
12. 2007 Spurs
13. 2006 Heat
14. 2004 Pistons

Switch the 99 Spurs for the 03 ones and I think you're pretty close to being right in the money.



2002 lakers?

GREATNESS ONE
08-23-2012, 03:09 AM
LLULL, Okay, here it goes.


1. 2001 Lakers
2. 2003 Spurs
3. 2009 Lakers
4. 2000 Lakers
5. 2005 Spurs
6. 2008 Celtics
7. 1999 Spurs
8. 2010 Lakers
9. 2012 Heat
10. 2011 Mavericks
11. 2002 Lakers
12. 2007 Spurs
13. 2006 Heat
14. 2004 Pistons

Switch the 99 Spurs for the 03 ones and I think you're pretty close to being right on the money.



2002 lakers?

You did it for the llullz

kobe4thewinbang
08-23-2012, 04:16 AM
When was 7 game series applied? Were any of these seasons before it?

Teufelshunde4
08-23-2012, 05:23 AM
Correct.
the 2001 Lakers were untouchable.
I would give them the edge over some of the early Jordan teams.

Any of the teams that the early Bulls teams beat were light years better then the 2001 76ers featuring Allen Iverson G Aaron McKie G Jumaine Jones F Tyrone Hill F Dikembe Mutombo C.. Only Iverson ranks as a top player..

I would argue that all of the teams the Bulls beat in Finals were better then any of the teams the Lakers played in early 2000's 3-peat

Auseranami
08-23-2012, 05:36 AM
1. 2001 lakers
2. 2000 lakers
3. 2008 celtics
4. 2009 lakers
5. 2004 pistons

GREATNESS ONE
08-23-2012, 05:47 AM
Any of the teams that the early Bulls teams beat were light years better then the 2001 76ers featuring Allen Iverson G Aaron McKie G Jumaine Jones F Tyrone Hill F Dikembe Mutombo C.. Only Iverson ranks as a top player..

I would argue that all of the teams the Bulls beat in Finals were better then any of the teams the Lakers played in early 2000's 3-peat

Who's stopping Shaq? Bill Cartwright, Luc Longley, Horace Grant, Bill Wennington, Rodman, Stacie King, Will Perdue? Llullz

It would be very entertaining that's for sure.

AntiG
08-23-2012, 05:47 AM
'08 Celtics and '01 Lakers were the most dominant teams since the Bulls teams.

waveycrockett
08-23-2012, 05:58 AM
2001 Lakers is the best on that list. They shouldn't have even lost that 1 game against the 76ers.

Actually you could argue they should have lost game 2 against philly that series also. They got bailed out that game.

--23--
08-23-2012, 08:04 AM
1.2001 Lakers
2.2008 Celtics
3.1999 Spurs
4.2000 Lakers
5.2002 Lakers
6.2005 Spurs
7.2004 Pistons
8.2003 Spurs
9.2009 Lakers
10.2010 Lakers
11.2011 Mavericks
12.2012 Heat
13.2007 Spurs
14.2006 Heat

Blink
08-23-2012, 08:31 AM
Haters gonna hate on 04 Pistons..

Big Zo
08-23-2012, 08:39 AM
Well yeah Wade's Finals run was one of the most dominant I've ever seen but I was saying that the combination of Kobe and Payton was better than Wade+Jason Williams. Payton started all 82 games that season and averaged around 15 5 and 5. And an injured Karl Malone + Shaq is better than Haslem+Shaq in 06. He averaged 21 and 13.5 in '04 playoffs (41 mpg) and 18 and 10 in the '06 playoffs (33mpg). That extra 7mpg alone is a huge difference with his intimidating presence on the court on both ends of the court - even if he was just standing around. Shaq in '04 was definitely better. The Pistons were able to slow down that him and that team significantly. I still think they would be able the beat the '06 Heat in 6 games.

Shaq averaged 26 ppg in those finals. I wouldn't call that "slowing him down." The Heat took the Pistons to 7 games the following year with Shaq and Wade both hobbled, and beat them in 2006.

JiffyMix88
08-23-2012, 09:09 AM
1. 08' Celtics
2. 01' Lakers
3. 99' Spurs
4. 05' Spurs
5. 04' Pistons
6. 10' Lakers
7. 02' Lakers
8. 06' Heat
9. 00' Lakers
10. 11' Mavs
11. 12' Heat
12. 09' Lakers
13. 03' Spurs
14. 07' Spurs

Captain Moroni
08-23-2012, 09:12 AM
Why is my 2005 Springville city recreation championship not included in this list? I actually touched the rim once in this game. (of course it was warmups no pressure)

Captain Moroni
08-23-2012, 09:15 AM
Shaq averaged 26 ppg in those finals. I wouldn't call that "slowing him down." The Heat took the Pistons to 7 games the following year with Shaq and Wade both hobbled, and beat them in 2006.

I see there is never mention of who was hobbled on the other team when you win. No excuses for winning plenty for losing.

Blue_Ninja
08-23-2012, 09:16 AM
Top 3
01 Lakers
99 Spurs
08 Celtics

Bottom 3
11 Mavs
09 Lakers
06 Heat

JiffyMix88
08-23-2012, 09:19 AM
Why is my 2005 Springville city recreation championship not included in this list? I actually touched the rim once in this game. (of course it was warmups no pressure)

Most of only been local don't recall seeing any commercials on national t.v. about any Recreation champions game going on in 05' but thats a great accomplishment, congratulations :clap:

Big Zo
08-23-2012, 09:40 AM
I see there is never mention of who was hobbled on the other team when you win. No excuses for winning plenty for losing.

Who was injured from Detroit? Whoever it was, I can assure you they weren't as good as Shaq and Wade. The Heat had injuries on their entire starting 5. Even with that, it took detroit until the final minutes of game 7 to finish them off. The Heat came back the following year with a lesser, but healthy team and beat them in 6.

asandhu23
08-23-2012, 10:15 AM
A Lakers fan posted this thread, of course.

kdspurman
08-23-2012, 10:49 AM
Interesting some folks putting the 08 Celtics ahead of the 99 Spurs. What's the argument there?

Some notes from espn on that team


A forgotten great team because of the lockout, the Spurs began the year 6-8 … and then went 46-7 the rest of the way, with nary a losing streak. An awesome defensive squad led by big men David Robinson and Tim Duncan, San Antonio's 84.7 points allowed per game is far and away the least of any of these 70 squads. That 15-2 postseason mark ain't too shabby either, including sweeps of the Blazers and Lakers. So stingy was the defense that only twice in 17 playoff games did San Antonio's opponent muster 90 points.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/story/_/page/Finalists1-10/ranking-nba-finals-teams-best-worst

JordansBulls
08-23-2012, 11:03 AM
08 celtics
99 spurs
05 spurs
06 heat
12 heat
04 pistons
01 lakers
03 spurs
11 mavericks
00 lakers
02 lakers
09 lakers
07 spurs
10 lakers

Bad List. While the 2008 Celtics were good they went 7 games in there first two series and even was only up 1 point in the Semifinals at home in game 7 with 1.30 left.

Da Knicks
08-23-2012, 11:03 AM
I was tempted to say 99 spurs but a shortened season is an * in my book since my 8th seeded knicks even made it to the finals that year. so 2004 pistons it is

Big Zo
08-23-2012, 01:24 PM
I was tempted to say 99 spurs but a shortened season is an * in my book since my 8th seeded knicks even made it to the finals that year. so 2004 pistons it is

I'm sure it wouldn't be an asterisk if the Knicks won it, right? :/

kdspurman
08-23-2012, 01:44 PM
I'm sure it wouldn't be an asterisk if the Knicks won it, right? :/

Exactly!

Chronz
08-23-2012, 04:28 PM
'08 Celtics and '01 Lakers were the most dominant teams since the Bulls teams.

Cuz of their colors?

Lakersfan2483
08-23-2012, 04:40 PM
2001 Lakers, 15-1
2008 Celtics
2004 Pistons
2000 Lakers
1999 Spurs *Shortened season.
2002 Lakers
2010 Lakers
2009 Lakers
2003 Spurs
2005 Spurs
2011 Mavs
2007 Spurs
2012 Heat *shortened season
2006 Heat

Shadrach
08-23-2012, 05:24 PM
Pistons are top 5 worthy, that defense was unbelieveable.
If you just looked up statistics on that team,
with how vague Basketball stats can be
you wouldn't really know how great that
team played.

Chronz
08-23-2012, 05:46 PM
2001 Lakers, 15-1
2008 Celtics


Can you explain this 1-2 argument? You mention 15-1 for the Lakers so that must mean your stressing playoff dominance well above regular season dominance but then you go ahead and list the team that set a record for losses in a championship run?

MickeyMgl
08-23-2012, 06:02 PM
LLULL, Okay, here it goes.


1. 2001 Lakers
2. 2003 Spurs
3. 2009 Lakers
4. 2000 Lakers
5. 2005 Spurs
6. 2008 Celtics
7. 1999 Spurs
8. 2010 Lakers
9. 2012 Heat
10. 2011 Mavericks
11. 2002 Lakers
12. 2007 Spurs
13. 2006 Heat
14. 2004 Pistons

I'd swap 5 & 6 and I'd swap 13 & 14.

SanAntonioSpurs23
08-23-2012, 06:50 PM
:facepalm:


The Admiral was on his last leg, Parker was benched for the God Speedy Claxton, and Manu was a rookie. The rest of those scrubs were 3 point specialists. The 05 Spurs would belittle the 03 team.


This (Captain Jack was awesome for that 03 team)..... Although 2003 Was easily when Duncan was most dominant. He literally was that team.2003 TD>>2005 TD. What makes up for it in 2005 was prime Bowen, prime Manu (unreal that year), Horry, Brent Barry and a much better Tony Parker.

fadedmario
08-23-2012, 06:51 PM
03-04 Pistons would beat all them teams.

JWO35
08-23-2012, 07:26 PM
03-04 Pistons would beat all them teams.

This
except the 2005 Spurs :hide:

mrblisterdundee
08-24-2012, 12:55 AM
1. 2001: Los Angeles Lakers (F.MVP Shaquille O'Neal)
Reg Season: 56-26 Playoffs: 15-1
2. 1999: San Antonio Spurs (F.MVP Tim Duncan)
Reg Season: 37-13 Playoffs: 15-2
3. 2002: Los Angeles Lakers (F.MVP Shaquille O'Neal)
Reg Season: 58-24 Playoffs: 15-4
4. 2007: San Antonio Spurs (F.MVP Tony Parker)
Reg Season: 58-24 Playoffs: 16-4
5. 2008: Boston Celtics (F.MVP Paul Pierce)
Reg Season: 66-16 Playoffs: 16-10

I had to put the Celtics in there because they put it together so fast.

Da Knicks
08-24-2012, 01:21 AM
I'm sure it wouldn't be an asterisk if the Knicks won it, right? :/

I'm discrediting the Knicks by them making the finals that year. Short seasons are always crazy, and yes if in 5, 6 years there is another lockout and a short season if the Knicks won they too would have the * by the chip.

GREATNESS ONE
08-24-2012, 01:29 AM
2001 Shaq.

Unstoppable.

KB-Pau-DH2012
08-24-2012, 02:33 AM
2001 Shaq.

Unstoppable.

I think 2000 Shaq was more unstoppable as he averaged more ppg, rbg and bpg that season and was 1 1st vote shy of first ever unanimous league MVP.


It's just that afro Kobe fully reached superstardom level in 01 and got to Shaq's level (Shaq 28.7 PPG, Kobe 28.5 PPG) that made the 01 Lakers unstoppable when April, May and June rolled around.

GREATNESS ONE
08-24-2012, 02:48 AM
Well it's a little much too try and compare those two Shaqs. They were pretty much the same player.


And llullz at the MVP ....

Bos_Sports4Life
08-24-2012, 02:55 AM
01 Lakers/99 spurs imo have to be the top 2...It's hard to argue against that.

Jenceman
08-24-2012, 04:38 AM
'08 Celtics and '01 Lakers were the most dominant teams since the Bulls teams.

Lol 08 Celtics don't belong in that conversation. They went 16-10 that playoffs. Taken to 2 game 7s and 2 game 6s.

Big Zo
08-24-2012, 07:38 AM
I'm discrediting the Knicks by them making the finals that year. Short seasons are always crazy, and yes if in 5, 6 years there is another lockout and a short season if the Knicks won they too would have the * by the chip.

Right...

AntiG
08-24-2012, 10:43 AM
Lol 08 Celtics don't belong in that conversation. They went 16-10 that playoffs. Taken to 2 game 7s and 2 game 6s.

And then they blew away Detroit and the Lakers, including one of the most epic beatdowns in the history of the finals to finish the job. They had a rocky couple of rounds and then whipped up on superior competition later on. Throw in the regular season where they basically stomped on everyone with one of the most smothering defenses in league history, clinched everything, and then took the foot off the gas at the end.

You can't just base everything on a few select stats. The way they did it, much like that Lakers team, made them that dominant. They were cocky, toyed with their competition and whenever they turned it on, no one came close. They were simply an entire level above everyone else.