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Super.
08-21-2012, 04:04 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/19854569/word-is-swisher-may-invoke-the-126-million-werth-deal-in-contract-talks


Word going around is, Nick Swisher, the Yankees' eternally upbeat rightfield power supply, may seek a "Jayson Werth contract" when he hits free agency at the end of the year.

To baseball fans, that is well-known to mean $126 million over seven years. In other words, it's a lot more money than most folks have guessed so far for Swish.

Second-hand or not, some Yankees people have heard that's the figure Swisher is thinking about and may at least shoot for, and one other source who's spoken to Swisher said that, indeed, Swisher has shown real interest in Werth's deal. It's believed the two sides have had no extension talks yet, as it is team policy to wait for free agency, except in rare cases.

While the $126-million figure is two to three times more than most of the estimates for Swisher, free agency brings some surprises. The Werth deal, for instance.

:laugh: Oh Nick

jej
08-21-2012, 04:09 PM
Screw that, I wanted him in Seattle. Not like he will get it anyway.

utl768
08-21-2012, 04:13 PM
i was thinking more like 2 years 16 million but he could get close to 100 i guess if ppl like ryan zimmerman and yadier molina could get the insane contracts they got

is boras his agent?

Yankees90.
08-21-2012, 04:19 PM
:laugh: :laugh:

Good luck with that

yanksrock
08-21-2012, 04:19 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
haaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

quade36
08-21-2012, 04:20 PM
Figures. Yankee fans haven't seen the true Nick Swisher. Maybe now they will.

Eg714
08-21-2012, 04:20 PM
I hope every team lowballs him now.

Ill21
08-21-2012, 04:28 PM
Bye bye

Jeffy25
08-21-2012, 04:48 PM
while he is a better player than you think he is.

He isn't worth anywhere close to this.

4/40 is what he is worth, and should be able to expect to get.

Burkey3472
08-21-2012, 05:05 PM
He shouldn't and wont get close that. :laugh2:

Havoc Wreaker
08-21-2012, 05:05 PM
I'd give him a 2yr/50M. He's worth it on awesomeness alone.

BrianWestKins
08-21-2012, 05:08 PM
Aim high Willis, aim high

Sherlock
08-21-2012, 05:15 PM
No Swish, just no.

Nymfan87
08-21-2012, 05:16 PM
I would think he'd get something like 3 years/$39 million.

CityofTreez
08-21-2012, 05:26 PM
I remember when Oakland racked him out, and them he disappeared.

I'd give him 4/48 if I could.

rkelly7
08-21-2012, 05:38 PM
If I wasn's so sure he was only the 3rd/4th best RF in the AL East, I'd probably agree with him.

He will probably get 4 years and 61 million on the open market, and he will not return to the yankees.

Jeffy25
08-21-2012, 05:41 PM
I can see the Phillies going for him actually

4/40-60

rkelly7
08-21-2012, 05:44 PM
I'd give him a 2yr/50M. He's worth it on awesomeness alone.

And how exactly is Nick Swisher awesome? By the way, it's puff puff pass, so maybe by the time you stop hogging it, I will be able to agree with you on your ludacris statement. :laugh:

rkelly7
08-21-2012, 05:47 PM
I can see the Phillies going for him actually

4/40-60

I agree with you that they'll chase him, but the last thing the Phillies need right now is another aging slugger with a large contract. They need to get young and hope that Halladay and Lee can continue their dominance in their upper 30's.

theslick1
08-21-2012, 05:47 PM
Look, if Jayson Werth hadn't asked for 7/126, he wouldn't have gotten it, so no harm in asking. Who knows, some desperate front office might take the bait.

Realistically, I can see him getting a similar offer to what the Yankees gave Damon and Matsui, which was 4/52 although I'd prefer something more like 3/40. If he's a 3.0 WAR player, he earns that contract and he's been 3.2, 4.1, 3.8 for 2009-2011 and is 2.7 to this point in 2012.

netsgiantsyanks
08-21-2012, 05:57 PM
a man can dream, can't he?

oak2455
08-21-2012, 05:57 PM
Giants say hellllllllllllo

synister281
08-21-2012, 05:58 PM
1 year for 75mm is a bargain for Swisher.

scottythegreat1
08-21-2012, 06:08 PM
Look, if Jayson Werth hadn't asked for 7/126, he wouldn't have gotten it, so no harm in asking. Who knows, some desperate front office might take the bait.

Realistically, I can see him getting a similar offer to what the Yankees gave Damon and Matsui, which was 4/52 although I'd prefer something more like 3/40. If he's a 3.0 WAR player, he earns that contract and he's been 3.2, 4.1, 3.8 for 2009-2011 and is 2.7 to this point in 2012.

I agree, Swisher will get a Matsui/Damon Contract. Theres no way he gets a Jason Werth Contract, not even the Yankees are that fanatical.

Yankee Clipper
08-21-2012, 06:08 PM
You guys are acting like he is saying take the deal or leave it to the Yankees :laugh2:

This is part of the normal negotiation process. Player asks for a very high amount, team comes back with a somewhat low ball offer and they meet somewhere in the middle.

Kelly Gruber
08-21-2012, 06:11 PM
It's the Yankees, he may as well try...

ciaban
08-21-2012, 06:15 PM
Figures. Yankee fans haven't seen the true Nick Swisher. Maybe now they will.
no-no, swish is who he always is, there is nothing wrong with a guy wanting to dream is there?

I remember when Oakland racked him out, and them he disappeared.

I'd give him 4/48 if I could.
this is the right neighborhood though i say 3/39 opr 4/40 is what he is worth

I can see the Phillies going for him actually

4/40-60

philly doesn't have the money for this, and their bull pen should come first

D Blue987
08-21-2012, 06:25 PM
Id give him 2 years infinite coke supply and I mean the drug since he is obviously high off his rocker thinking he is going to get this in free agency.

Mr.SmackYoMama
08-21-2012, 06:30 PM
Oh Nick your gonna fail your drug test with whatever the **** you're smoking smh :0(

JesusWears24
08-21-2012, 06:39 PM
Ha!

MetsFanatic19
08-21-2012, 06:48 PM
I'm not sure if this is a joke or not, but I just hate him even more after reading this,

Ares
08-21-2012, 06:51 PM
If the best looking RF in the game can't get 100 million, who can?

tonyd3b54
08-21-2012, 06:51 PM
any left handed hitter with average power can be above average at yankee stadium. YOU ARE NOT GOOD SWISHER! you're not funny either.

avrpatsfan
08-21-2012, 07:02 PM
any left handed hitter with average power can be above average at yankee stadium. YOU ARE NOT GOOD SWISHER! you're not funny either.
To be fair, he's a switch hitter.

Jeffy25
08-21-2012, 07:04 PM
any left handed hitter with average power can be above average at yankee stadium. YOU ARE NOT GOOD SWISHER! you're not funny either.

He has never had an ISO at league average or worse (career - .213 compared to .160) and it is .211 this year.

Well above average walk rate has nothing to do with Yankee stadium, and his near league average K rate doesn't either.

Career .357 wOBA, and 118 wRC+

He is a good hitter, and also a good defensive outfielder.


Oh, and he is a switch-hitter.

Do you know who Nick Swisher is? This isn't Dwayne Wise, you are aware right?

MygirlhatesCod
08-21-2012, 07:18 PM
sweet!! nothing like a douche getting more money. and if werth could then he could. life is just!

NYY09
08-21-2012, 07:25 PM
He'll be a year older I think than Werth was when he got his abberra... errrr contract. WAR will show that Werth was a "better" player but not really by all that much, so why shouldn't Swish ask for it? if this is indeed true. Ultimately it's negotiating 101, and it's not like Swisher is soooo far off of Werth's production at the point of his deal.

Yeah, maybe not 7/126 but would it shock anyone if he got lets say 5 years, being he'll be 32 and Werth got 7 @ 31, and 13-15 per?

jej
08-21-2012, 07:34 PM
He is making 10 this year, and that's about all he should get now. He is leaving his prime, and isn't great in RF. Only defensive measure he is above average in is his arm.

4/40 should be tops

NYY09
08-21-2012, 07:39 PM
He is making 10 this year, and that's about all he should get now. He is leaving his prime, and isn't great in RF. Only defensive measure he is above average in is his arm.

4/40 should be tops

While he may not be great, but he is above average in RF. He is worth more than 10 per, or so the market would dictate.

VRP723
08-21-2012, 07:43 PM
This is obviously nuts, but 4/40 seems low. I'd give him 4/52. He's a consistent 4 win RF.

koldjerky
08-21-2012, 07:48 PM
I'd agree with Jeffy and actually hope the Phillies would go after him. If Ryan Howard doesn't stay healthy he can always give him time off at 1B too. Could move Dom Brown to LF and I LOVE the fact that he's a SH.

NYY09
08-21-2012, 07:51 PM
This is obviously nuts, but 4/40 seems low. I'd give him 4/52. He's a consistent 4 win RF.

That seems like an agreeable number for Swish, all things considered. Who's in the market for an outfielder next year anyway?

fadedmario
08-21-2012, 08:01 PM
2 yr 14 mil

dtmagnet
08-21-2012, 08:12 PM
I wouldn't even think he'd get 10 per.

TooMutch92
08-22-2012, 12:14 AM
I can't stand Nick Swisher, I'm sorry but he is THE cockiest most self centered over confident *** clown in all of baseball. Never seen anyone with a more cocky swagger then him

Ty Fast
08-22-2012, 12:31 AM
if carl crawford can get 142 million swisher can get 100 million

bigmac8675
08-22-2012, 12:47 AM
Nah... he isn't worth more than $99mil. What a ****... lol

jej
08-22-2012, 01:01 AM
He is a good solid player, but that's all. He is at 10 this year, as a Yankee, at 32. He is going to go to a less rich team, and will be going on 33. His contract should not go up by 3 mill on average.

He is a 2nd/3rd guy in a lineup, not a star.

4/50 at most, but it would be front loaded or evenly spread IMO.

STL Don
08-22-2012, 01:47 AM
Welp. At least he's playing for the team that would actually consider

BigBadPapaBear
08-22-2012, 02:05 AM
I don't blame him for trying though. Yanks have been giving out some real screwy contracts the last few years. Swish may just be content with $60 million in reality but is obviously starting his bid up high to see what the Yanks are realistically going to give him. Every player does this kind of stuff to the Yanks. Whether its to really get a big deal or to set the market for themselves. Its total ******** if you ask me.

SenorGato
08-22-2012, 03:01 AM
This guy has the brain of a Hork-Bajir, and not a Seer.

Norieaga
08-22-2012, 11:24 AM
So you guys wouldn't try to get the most money you could for the work you do? He's been a good player. He's not worth that amount but I don't blame him for trying.

MotownWebGuy
08-22-2012, 11:46 AM
Nick Swisher Expects $100M +
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/19854569/word-is-swisher-may-invoke-the-126-million-werth-deal-in-contract-talks


He will never see above 50+M.
My best guess would net Nick Swisher 3Y/39M.
He needs to stick close to a bandbox park like the Bronx. Worst decision he could make is playing in Seattle. Nick hasn't the raw power anymore that he demonstrated in Oakland.

Sign of the Testing Times I reckon'...:eyebrow:

NYY09
08-22-2012, 11:51 AM
He is a good solid player, but that's all. He is at 10 this year, as a Yankee, at 32. He is going to go to a less rich team, and will be going on 33. His contract should not go up by 3 mill on average.

He is a 2nd/3rd guy in a lineup, not a star.

4/50 at most, but it would be front loaded or evenly spread IMO.

And Jason Werth was?

NYY09
08-22-2012, 11:58 AM
He will never see above 50+M.
My best guess would net Nick Swisher 3Y/39M.
He needs to stick close to a bandbox park like the Bronx. Worst decision he could make is playing in Seattle. Nick hasn't the raw power anymore that he demonstrated in Oakland.

Sign of the Testing Times I reckon'...:eyebrow:

Werth also played in a band box, and again, Swishers WAR compared to Werth at the time of Werth's deal is pretty close and Werth isnt a switch hitter.

So Crawford and Werth get north of 120MM and you value Swish @ 40? come on...

thawv
08-22-2012, 12:39 PM
i was thinking more like 2 years 16 million but he could get close to 100 i guess if ppl like ryan zimmerman and yadier molina could get the insane contracts they got

is boras his agent?

He has Dan Lozano.

StayOnBoard
08-22-2012, 12:50 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he got close to what Adam Dunn got with the ChiSox.

I don't think he's worth it, but I wouldn't be surprised with the crazy contracts teams have been giving out lately.

4/50 seems reasonable to me though - and probably what can be expected.... 100 mil + no freaking way he lands a deal like that (I also said the same thing about Werth... just FYI).

bedford1829
08-22-2012, 01:14 PM
He should probably expect to be on a different team next season.

Mr Haha
08-22-2012, 01:16 PM
There is nothing wrong with Nick aiming high, and he's a lot more valuable than some of you are giving him credit for. This is how the process works: You find a comparable player with the highest salary, and you say I deserve that because the market says I do. Welcome to America, everyone.

Yankee Clipper
08-22-2012, 01:17 PM
There is nothing wrong with Nick aiming high, and he's a lot more valuable than some of you are giving him credit for. This is how the process works: You find a comparable player with the highest salary, and you say I deserve that because the market says I do. Welcome to America, everyone.

Pretty much. If a team was dumb enough to give Werth that contract, it's always worth a shot in his case :shrug:

Black Betsy
08-22-2012, 01:23 PM
I never liked Nick Swisher.

how about a 15yr/100M

RedeMptioN218
08-22-2012, 03:43 PM
Swisher deserves 3 years, 12 mil and an endless supply of chewing tobacco since every time I see the cocky ****er play he's got a big dip in. Good role model

Yankee Clipper
08-22-2012, 03:48 PM
Swisher deserves 3 years, 12 mil and an endless supply of chewing tobacco since every time I see the cocky ****er play he's got a big dip in. Good role model

I don't think he will be getting a contract for less than what he is getting now.

whitesoxfan83
08-22-2012, 03:51 PM
I think the point the agent is making is that if Jayson Werth is worth 126mil then Swisher has to be worth at least 100mil.

And he's right to argue that...

Black Betsy
08-22-2012, 04:10 PM
Nick swisher is not as good as Jayson.

whitesoxfan83
08-22-2012, 05:02 PM
That doesn't mean Swisher isn't worth 100million.

If Werth is worth 126million then Swisher is worth somewhere between 105-115.

Which means Swisher is worth what he's asking.

Don't blame Swisher, blame the Nationals.

Yankee Clipper
08-22-2012, 05:03 PM
That doesn't mean Swisher isn't worth 100million.

If Werth is worth 126million then Swisher is worth somewhere between 105-115.

Which means Swisher is worth what he's asking.

Don't blame Swisher, blame the Nationals.

And don't blame agents like Scott Boras, blame the owners and members of front office that agree to ridiculous contracts like Werth's.

AsfanSince99
08-22-2012, 05:29 PM
Some desperate GM will be foolish enough to give it to him.

Stamina
08-22-2012, 06:33 PM
any left handed hitter with average power can be above average at yankee stadium. YOU ARE NOT GOOD SWISHER! you're not funny either.

Funny, he's got one of the hottest bats over the past few weeks. But setting that aside, he brings life to the team and to the fans. I can't really say anyone else on the squad brings that sort of momentum into the club house.


I can't stand Nick Swisher, I'm sorry but he is THE cockiest most self centered over confident *** clown in all of baseball. Never seen anyone with a more cocky swagger then him


Hate much?

jej
08-22-2012, 07:24 PM
And Jason Werth was?

No, did I ever say he was. That contract was stupid and everyone knows it. It shouldnt be used to gauge what Swisher gets, because that was not the going rate. The nats just went nuts.

And BTW:
Werths contract year:
.296/.388/.532, .397 wOBA, 27 HR, 146 wRC+, 5.3 WAR

Swisher to this point:
.270/.355/.480, .356 wOBA, 18 HR, 122 wRC+, 2.7 WAR

Werth was a little better, no?

jej
08-22-2012, 07:26 PM
That doesn't mean Swisher isn't worth 100million.

If Werth is worth 126million then Swisher is worth somewhere between 105-115.

Which means Swisher is worth what he's asking.

Don't blame Swisher, blame the Nationals.

Werth wasnt worth that tho. Just cause he got that doesnt mean he should have.

Driven
08-22-2012, 07:29 PM
This is obviously nuts, but 4/40 seems low. I'd give him 4/52. He's a consistent 4 win RF.
I would pay Swish 4/40 in a heartbeat.

whitesoxfan83
08-22-2012, 07:31 PM
Werth wasnt worth that tho. Just cause he got that doesnt mean he should have.

Don't disagree but that's the way the market works in baseball.

RedeMptioN218
08-22-2012, 07:44 PM
Swisher deserves 3 years, 12 mil and an endless supply of chewing tobacco since every time I see the cocky ****er play he's got a big dip in. Good role model

I don't think he will be getting a contract for less than what he is getting now.

It's sarcasm because I don't like him lol. Not stupid.

ne3xchamps
08-22-2012, 07:44 PM
Well this is the first sign that swisher is smoking some damn good green. Not a snow ball's chance in hell does any team give him that kind of contract. Seriously, he needs to be drug tested ASAP.

100M +..... :laugh:

RedeMptioN218
08-22-2012, 07:46 PM
Don't know why my quote didn't work on my last post, posted it from the iPhone app

mike_noodles
08-22-2012, 07:53 PM
1 year for 75mm is a bargain for Swisher.


This.

He is also a tv star, he alone will draw triple that in revenue wherever he signs (except Tampa).

jej
08-22-2012, 08:05 PM
I can see him getting 4/60, but I hope not. I want him in Seattle at 4/45-50

Muttman73
08-23-2012, 09:51 AM
good luck with that Nick

LongIslandIcedZ
08-23-2012, 10:11 AM
If you dont ask, you'll never get it.

Just setting the bar high.

NYY09
08-23-2012, 10:37 AM
No, did I ever say he was. That contract was stupid and everyone knows it. It shouldnt be used to gauge what Swisher gets, because that was not the going rate. The nats just went nuts.

And BTW:
Werths contract year:
.296/.388/.532, .397 wOBA, 27 HR, 146 wRC+, 5.3 WAR

Swisher to this point:
.270/.355/.480, .356 wOBA, 18 HR, 122 wRC+, 2.7 WAR

Werth was a little better, no?

Whether or not that was the going rate is meaningless, Werth got that contract and reset the market and as we all know all it takes is a team with money and a need. I'm not saying Swisher is worth 100Mill per se, but I do feel that he is being undervalued by some people.

kingmatsundin
08-23-2012, 10:39 AM
He'll be lucky to get 5/55

BKLYNpigeon
08-23-2012, 11:06 AM
what a fool.

I hope he gets busted with PED's next week.

jej
08-23-2012, 01:06 PM
Whether or not that was the going rate is meaningless, Werth got that contract and reset the market and as we all know all it takes is a team with money and a need. I'm not saying Swisher is worth 100Mill per se, but I do feel that he is being undervalued by some people.

What about the stats that show Werths was much better? Just going to ignore that?

Carlos Quentin just got 3/27 as a power hitting corner OFer. Same with Willingham. They aren't/weren't as good as Werth at the time of the contract, but they are not worth that much less. So I wouldn't say it set the market at all.

theslick1
08-23-2012, 01:34 PM
Whether or not that was the going rate is meaningless, Werth got that contract and reset the market and as we all know all it takes is a team with money and a need. I'm not saying Swisher is worth 100Mill per se, but I do feel that he is being undervalued by some people.

Well, that's the key. There are only 30 teams and only a few of them could (or would) spend 100M+ on a player and, of those few, you have to find one that needs a guy like Swisher badly enough to overpay for him.

seikou8
08-23-2012, 01:54 PM
good luck with that swisher

MattS
08-23-2012, 04:48 PM
if Swisher is only going to get 4/45-50 he will still be a Yankee


I can see him getting 4/60, but I hope not. I want him in Seattle at 4/45-50

jej
08-23-2012, 04:51 PM
if Swisher is only going to get 4/45-50 he will still be a Yankee

Why? Its not like they are hurting for money

MattS
08-23-2012, 04:56 PM
I dont know why people mostly are thinking this is ridiculous... its not.

To start... if the numbers most of you are throwing out there... like 4/$60 are what you think he is going to get, he will likely stay with the Yankees... If he will take $12-$15 million a year for 3-4 years he aint leaving the Bronx, sorry to break all your hearts... UNLESS the Yankees swing a trade for a Justin Upton type player.

Next.. he is going to be 32 in November... is a better all around player then Jayson Werth and also which many failed to point out is a switch hitter with power from both sides of the plate. That is like having 2 players for the price of 1 and make any lineup easier to set when you have switch hitters in it. Look at the Yankees with Swisher, Teixeira in it now... Posada in the past... it helps and 100% ups a players value.
I think 7 years is a little much taking him to 39... BUT...... 5 years with 2 option year to take it to 7 years and Werth type money is certainly not even close to unreasonable for Swisher... whom by the way keeps himself in terrific shape... this isnt a guy built like Prince Fielder

Yankee Clipper
08-23-2012, 04:57 PM
if Swisher is only going to get 4/45-50 he will still be a Yankee

Why? Its not like they are hurting for money

Well they are trying to stay under the 189 million salary mark by 2014 in order to avoid luxury tax threshold.

MattS
08-23-2012, 04:58 PM
exactly... the Yankees are trying to lower payroll therefor aint gonna give swisher 16, 17, 18, 20 million... especially with Cano & Granderson both up for big raises..... but at your quote of 4/$40-$45 million he will still be a Yankee


Why? Its not like they are hurting for money

MattS
08-23-2012, 05:02 PM
correct... he is WAY better


Nick swisher is not as good as Jayson.

MattS
08-23-2012, 05:03 PM
also... do you think Felix Hernandez will still wear #34 when he is playing for the Yankees in 2015?


Why? Its not like they are hurting for money

jej
08-23-2012, 05:27 PM
He wont be a Yankee, so probably not.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/21/felix-hernandez-im-not-going-anywhere-i-promise/

jej
08-23-2012, 05:28 PM
exactly... the Yankees are trying to lower payroll therefor aint gonna give swisher 16, 17, 18, 20 million... especially with Cano & Granderson both up for big raises..... but at your quote of 4/$40-$45 million he will still be a Yankee

Exactly? You disgreed with what i said...

MattS
08-23-2012, 05:30 PM
LOL okay..... do you expect him to say "hey Im out in 2 years!" come on dude.... there is a reason the Yankees & other big market teams are on his no trade list... for leverage to get a big contract should he be traded there prior to reaching free agency when he will sign with a big market club...... because he knows its a big market team that is going to spring for him.



He wont be a Yankee, so probably not.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/21/felix-hernandez-im-not-going-anywhere-i-promise/

Yankee Clipper
08-23-2012, 05:31 PM
exactly... the Yankees are trying to lower payroll therefor aint gonna give swisher 16, 17, 18, 20 million... especially with Cano & Granderson both up for big raises..... but at your quote of 4/$40-$45 million he will still be a Yankee

Exactly? You disgreed with what i said...

I think he was responding to my post.

theslick1
08-23-2012, 05:42 PM
He wont be a Yankee, so probably not.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/21/felix-hernandez-im-not-going-anywhere-i-promise/

When he says he's not going anywhere, I'm sure he means it.

The same way this guy did:


“Do I want to be in St. Louis forever? Of course. People from other teams want to play in St. Louis and they’re jealous that we’re in St. Louis because the fans are unbelievable. So why would you want to leave a place like St. Louis to go somewhere else and make $3 or $4 more million a year? It’s not about the money. I already got my money. It’s about winning and that’s it.” – Albert Pujols.

jej
08-23-2012, 05:43 PM
LOL okay..... do you expect him to say "hey Im out in 2 years!" come on dude.... there is a reason the Yankees & other big market teams are on his no trade list... for leverage to get a big contract should he be traded there prior to reaching free agency when he will sign with a big market club...... because he knows its a big market team that is going to spring for him.

You sir, are extremely ignorant. We are already paying him 19 mill a year, why wouldnt we do it again? He has given no indication of him leaving. Of course he isnt going to say so, but he wouldnt say straight up there is non reason to trade him and that he wants to be here.

BTW, Seattle is a big market, if we choose to be. We are almost .500, and will continue to improve. There is no reason to trade him. He will be a Mariner for life.

jej
08-23-2012, 05:45 PM
When he says he's not going anywhere, I'm sure he means it.

The same way this guy did:
Doesnt mean Felix will. He chose to come here in the first place. He didnt have to. Freddy Garcia was his idol and he wanted to play where he did. As soon as he says he wants to leave, we will trade him. But that wont happen.

I am willing to bet copious amounts of money that we resign felix. There is no reason not to

Also, what makes you think he would want to play for the Yankees only? You dont have enough to offer the Mariners for him. We dont want 35 year olds.

theslick1
08-23-2012, 05:51 PM
Doesnt mean Felix will. He chose to come here in the first place. He didnt have to. Freddy Garcia was his idol and he wanted to play where he did. As soon as he says he wants to leave, we will trade him. But that wont happen.

I am willing to bet copious amounts of money that we resign felix. There is no reason not to

I know you don't want to see him moving on, but the reality is that he will probably have to turn down more years/dollars to stay in Seattle, and even if the Mariners feel like matching whatever offer he gets, is that really their best use of resources? The money that Felix will cost might be better used buying other pieces that your team is missing. Having a few more impact position players on the field every day might be worth more than having the best pitcher in baseball once every five days.

jej
08-23-2012, 05:53 PM
We have money. We have 18 mill coming of from Ichiro, and potentially an extra 15-20 from Figgins. We can resign Felix, and sign a bat for 1st and/or OF.

Maybe you havent noticed, but the Mariners are 61-63 right now.

theslick1
08-23-2012, 06:17 PM
Also, what makes you think he would want to play for the Yankees only? You dont have enough to offer the Mariners for him. We dont want 35 year olds.

He wants to play for the Yankees because we have Freddy! ;)

Seriously, I have no idea who he wants to play for. If he's like most players, the answer is whoever wants to pay him the most.

jej
08-23-2012, 06:19 PM
I do. The Ms. He has said it multiple times.

MattS
08-23-2012, 06:57 PM
oh where to start punching holes in your tiny little heart & post...

1. sure you pay him $19 million...... but so will other teams, and probably more... plus other teams.. such as the Yankees offer him a chance to win... that is years & years & years away in Seattle. Texas & LA have far more young talent & deeper minor league systems.

2. Just cause he hasnt given indications he is leaving doesnt mean he wont... again.. he is a classy dude.. he is not going to go through the next 2 years with people trying to figure out what he is going to do... to say he is staying is the easiest on him until its time to hit Free Agency.

3. Seattle is NOT a big market... so stop it.

4. great you are almost .500, congrats... you have a huge heart & I am sure you are a great fan and love your Mariners and think they are going to keep getting better like a true fan and never want to see Felix leave, however the harsh reality is the dude will be out in 2 years.

5. The only thing ignorant I see in here is you little guy.... take off the blinders


You sir, are extremely ignorant. We are already paying him 19 mill a year, why wouldnt we do it again? He has given no indication of him leaving. Of course he isnt going to say so, but he wouldnt say straight up there is non reason to trade him and that he wants to be here.

BTW, Seattle is a big market, if we choose to be. We are almost .500, and will continue to improve. There is no reason to trade him. He will be a Mariner for life.

MattS
08-23-2012, 07:00 PM
if you are going to continue a conversation make sure you dont start making things up... i never said Felix only wants to play for the Yankees.... i said the Yankees are going to get him and along with everyone in baseball feels that way, however the large market teams will offer him more money then Seattle and several of them a much better chance to win.
The Yankees farm system is loaded with plenty of prime prospects... as many other teams are.. the Yankees wont be dumping 35 year olds to get Felix... the Mariners will be compensated greatly if they trade with the Yankees.... or they will feel a deep burn down inside when he walks to NY for nothing.


Doesnt mean Felix will. He chose to come here in the first place. He didnt have to. Freddy Garcia was his idol and he wanted to play where he did. As soon as he says he wants to leave, we will trade him. But that wont happen.

I am willing to bet copious amounts of money that we resign felix. There is no reason not to

Also, what makes you think he would want to play for the Yankees only? You dont have enough to offer the Mariners for him. We dont want 35 year olds.

MattS
08-23-2012, 07:08 PM
WHOA?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? 61-63?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Stop the Presses!!!!

lol.... the $18 million for Ichiro plus Figgins money etc is all great... but what is a realistic amount to pay Felix by Mariner standards... $20 million per? $25 Million per if they want to put him in line with Sabathia, Lee, Cain, Hamels etc...... Felix is worth more then all of them... do you not think the Yankees... or Red Sox.... or Mets.... will throw out $30 million a year for him??? its not un realistic..... do you see the Mariners doing that? Do you think its wise for the mariners to do that? Thats where the line needs to be drawn..... Thats where people need to see that the Mariners are likely in deep deep trouble come Fall 2014....

The Mariners are not going to be a $100 million dollar team anymore and if youre paying Felix $25-$30 million you are penny pinching elsewhere.

Also who wants to play in Seattle... can you name the last big name free agent who signed with the Seattle Mariners?!?!?!?!


We have money. We have 18 mill coming of from Ichiro, and potentially an extra 15-20 from Figgins. We can resign Felix, and sign a bat for 1st and/or OF.

Maybe you havent noticed, but the Mariners are 61-63 right now.

jej
08-23-2012, 07:10 PM
oh where to start punching holes in your tiny little heart & post...

1. sure you pay him $19 million...... but so will other teams, and probably more... plus other teams.. such as the Yankees offer him a chance to win... that is years & years & years away in Seattle. Texas & LA have far more young talent & deeper minor league systems.
Yeah, but he wants to be here. And we have a much better minor league team that the Angles, and close to the Rangers.

2. Just cause he hasnt given indications he is leaving doesnt mean he wont... again.. he is a classy dude.. he is not going to go through the next 2 years with people trying to figure out what he is going to do... to say he is staying is the easiest on him until its time to hit Free Agency.
He wouldnt be so adamant about it. He is almost guaranteeing that he will stay. That wouldnt be very classy to leave after that.

3. Seattle is NOT a big market... so stop it.
17th in the MLB, without Ichiros 18 million, 16th in 2011, 9th in 2010, 10th in 2009. So yeah, we are.

4. great you are almost .500, congrats... you have a huge heart & I am sure you are a great fan and love your Mariners and think they are going to keep getting better like a true fan and never want to see Felix leave, however the harsh reality is the dude will be out in 2 years.
We are .500 and will only get better. The harsh reality is that you are ignorant. Neither Felix nor Jack Z have once said he will be gone. In fact, they have said the opposite. The fact that you ignore that shows how blind you are. You have no legit reason to believe that.

5. The only thing ignorant I see in here is you little guy.... take off the blinders
I need to take of the blinders? From what? There is no legit reason to believe he will be gone. How about you take off your blinders, and look at the numerous times he has said he is staying, and there is no reason to trade him.


Study up son.

jej
08-23-2012, 07:11 PM
WHOA?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? 61-63?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Stop the Presses!!!!

lol.... the $18 million for Ichiro plus Figgins money etc is all great... but what is a realistic amount to pay Felix by Mariner standards... $20 million per? $25 Million per if they want to put him in line with Sabathia, Lee, Cain, Hamels etc...... Felix is worth more then all of them... do you not think the Yankees... or Red Sox.... or Mets.... will throw out $30 million a year for him??? its not un realistic..... do you see the Mariners doing that? Do you think its wise for the mariners to do that? Thats where the line needs to be drawn..... Thats where people need to see that the Mariners are likely in deep deep trouble come Fall 2014....

The Mariners are not going to be a $100 million dollar team anymore and if youre paying Felix $25-$30 million you are penny pinching elsewhere.

Also who wants to play in Seattle... can you name the last big name free agent who signed with the Seattle Mariners?!?!?!?!

Adrian Beltre.

You are slightly obnoxious

jej
08-23-2012, 07:13 PM
if you are going to continue a conversation make sure you dont start making things up... i never said Felix only wants to play for the Yankees.... i said the Yankees are going to get him and along with everyone in baseball feels that way, however the large market teams will offer him more money then Seattle and several of them a much better chance to win.
The Yankees farm system is loaded with plenty of prime prospects... as many other teams are.. the Yankees wont be dumping 35 year olds to get Felix... the Mariners will be compensated greatly if they trade with the Yankees.... or they will feel a deep burn down inside when he walks to NY for nothing.

Why do you assume they will get him? The people that feel that way are ignorant east coast writers like Rosenthal who have no inside info on any of that. The fact is, the people who actuallt have accurate info, are saying that he is going to stay. You are making stuff up.

TrueYankee
08-23-2012, 07:19 PM
Swisher. Hate. Please go elsewhere this offseason.

MattS
08-23-2012, 07:22 PM
Originally Posted by MattS
oh where to start punching holes in your tiny little heart & post...

1. sure you pay him $19 million...... but so will other teams, and probably more... plus other teams.. such as the Yankees offer him a chance to win... that is years & years & years away in Seattle. Texas & LA have far more young talent & deeper minor league systems.
Yeah, but he wants to be here. And we have a much better minor league team that the Angles, and close to the Rangers.
He wants to be in Seattle... i didnt realize that you were so tight with him... im sure Jack Z is thrilled to have such a close Felix confidant in his corner.

2. Just cause he hasnt given indications he is leaving doesnt mean he wont... again.. he is a classy dude.. he is not going to go through the next 2 years with people trying to figure out what he is going to do... to say he is staying is the easiest on him until its time to hit Free Agency.
He wouldnt be so adamant about it. He is almost guaranteeing that he will stay. That wouldnt be very classy to leave after that.

OOOOOKAY.... because no one would ever go back on their word 2 years from now

3. Seattle is NOT a big market... so stop it.
17th in the MLB, without Ichiros 18 million, 16th in 2011, 9th in 2010, 10th in 2009. So yeah, we are.
no... not a big market.. not even close... sitting middle of the pack dont make you a big market team..... dont have that revenue.... but nice try


4. great you are almost .500, congrats... you have a huge heart & I am sure you are a great fan and love your Mariners and think they are going to keep getting better like a true fan and never want to see Felix leave, however the harsh reality is the dude will be out in 2 years.
We are .500 and will only get better. The harsh reality is that you are ignorant. Neither Felix nor Jack Z have once said he will be gone. In fact, they have said the opposite. The fact that you ignore that shows how blind you are. You have no legit reason to believe that.
you are .500?!?!?!?! you must have failed math... I was fairly certain that to be .500 numbers had to be even... like 62-62 or 61-61 or 63-63... but maybe Mariner fans do things differently... i would say 61-63 is .488 but im no mathmatical wizard
again.. would either Felix or Jack Z say he is going.. Jack Z needs to appeal to the fan base.. Felix isnt stupid enough to say he is leaving..... you have no legit reason to believe otherwise... oh wait.. i forgot, Felix is texting you this info isnt he?!?!?


5. The only thing ignorant I see in here is you little guy.... take off the blinders
I need to take of the blinders? From what? There is no legit reason to believe he will be gone. How about you take off your blinders, and look at the numerous times he has said he is staying, and there is no reason to trade him.
the only legit reason you need to know on why he will be gone is because the dude wants to win... aint gonna happen in seattle & he knows that... hence the no trade list to the Yankees & other big market teams..... for leverage when the Mariners start shopping him when he says he wants to test free agency & the M's know they are going to lose him for nothing.

Study up son.
Study up son.
So you study up son ( and based on your Math in #4 you need to get off the message boards and open up a text book ) & get on my level.... you are over matched here....

BrandoCommando
08-23-2012, 07:27 PM
Wtf?

MattS
08-23-2012, 07:28 PM
lol... whoa big time right there.... all the way back in the Winter of 2004!!! that was 8 years ago... see a trend dude.... crickets up in Seattle


Adrian Beltre.

You are slightly obnoxious

jej
08-23-2012, 07:31 PM
I am using what he has said multiple times. Not to me, to the press. Thats more than you have. You are going off of what the biased east coast media says.

I should have said close to .500. I didnt know we were playing that game though. Would you like me to point out your countless grammatical mistakes?

How can you say we wont win when we are 2 games behind .500, have a solid farm system, and will have money to work with. Thats pretty ignorant.

We are middle of the pack right now, but were top 10 2-3 years ago. Did you just choose to ignore that? I mean you have the classic, "Nope, not buying it" response. How about you use some kind of data or evidence or ANYTHING other than your biased, unintelligent opinion?

Never said they would say he is leaving, but he would say "you guys [will] be happy, “I’m not going nowhere … I promise.”? No, he would say something like we will see what happens or something. Not repeatedly say he wants to be here forever.

Over matched? BAHAHAHA! Someone is pretty confident about things that he cannot back up with any reasonable evidence.

cantstopthee
08-23-2012, 07:36 PM
i was thinking more like 2 years 16 million but he could get close to 100 i guess if ppl like ryan zimmerman and yadier molina could get the insane contracts they got

is boras his agent?

Wut? Yadi is one of the best catchers in baseball. If not hands down the best..

jej
08-23-2012, 07:38 PM
lol... whoa big time right there.... all the way back in the Winter of 2004!!! that was 8 years ago... see a trend dude.... crickets up in Seattle

Not all teams feel the need to buy all their players like the Bankees. What are there, like 3 home grown guys on the team?

theslick1
08-23-2012, 07:53 PM
Not all teams feel the need to buy all their players like the Bankees. What are there, like 3 home grown guys on the team?

I'll let you count.

Yankees: Cano, Jeter, Nova, Hughes, Joba, Robertson PLUS three others on the DL (Pettitte, Rivera, Gardner).

Mariners: Ackley, Seager, Capps, Saunders, Felix

Jeffy25
08-23-2012, 07:56 PM
Not all teams feel the need to buy all their players like the Bankees. What are there, like 3 home grown guys on the team?

You know this couldn't be more false, right?

TrueYankee
08-23-2012, 07:56 PM
Not all teams feel the need to buy all their players like the Bankees. What are there, like 3 home grown guys on the team?


I'll let you count.

Yankees: Cano, Jeter, Nova, Hughes, Joba, Robertson PLUS three others on the DL (Pettitte, Rivera, Gardner).

Mariners: Ackley, Seager, Capps, Saunders, Felix

A ha ha

Ahahahahahaah

Yankee Clipper
08-23-2012, 07:59 PM
lol... whoa big time right there.... all the way back in the Winter of 2004!!! that was 8 years ago... see a trend dude.... crickets up in Seattle

Not all teams feel the need to buy all their players like the Bankees. What are there, like 3 home grown guys on the team?

:laugh:

Jeffy25
08-23-2012, 07:59 PM
Originally Posted by MattS
oh where to start punching holes in your tiny little heart & post...

1. sure you pay him $19 million...... but so will other teams, and probably more... plus other teams.. such as the Yankees offer him a chance to win... that is years & years & years away in Seattle. Texas & LA have far more young talent & deeper minor league systems.
Yeah, but he wants to be here. And we have a much better minor league team that the Angles, and close to the Rangers.
He wants to be in Seattle... i didnt realize that you were so tight with him... im sure Jack Z is thrilled to have such a close Felix confidant in his corner.

2. Just cause he hasnt given indications he is leaving doesnt mean he wont... again.. he is a classy dude.. he is not going to go through the next 2 years with people trying to figure out what he is going to do... to say he is staying is the easiest on him until its time to hit Free Agency.
He wouldnt be so adamant about it. He is almost guaranteeing that he will stay. That wouldnt be very classy to leave after that.

OOOOOKAY.... because no one would ever go back on their word 2 years from now

3. Seattle is NOT a big market... so stop it.
17th in the MLB, without Ichiros 18 million, 16th in 2011, 9th in 2010, 10th in 2009. So yeah, we are.
no... not a big market.. not even close... sitting middle of the pack dont make you a big market team..... dont have that revenue.... but nice try


4. great you are almost .500, congrats... you have a huge heart & I am sure you are a great fan and love your Mariners and think they are going to keep getting better like a true fan and never want to see Felix leave, however the harsh reality is the dude will be out in 2 years.
We are .500 and will only get better. The harsh reality is that you are ignorant. Neither Felix nor Jack Z have once said he will be gone. In fact, they have said the opposite. The fact that you ignore that shows how blind you are. You have no legit reason to believe that.
you are .500?!?!?!?! you must have failed math... I was fairly certain that to be .500 numbers had to be even... like 62-62 or 61-61 or 63-63... but maybe Mariner fans do things differently... i would say 61-63 is .488 but im no mathmatical wizard
again.. would either Felix or Jack Z say he is going.. Jack Z needs to appeal to the fan base.. Felix isnt stupid enough to say he is leaving..... you have no legit reason to believe otherwise... oh wait.. i forgot, Felix is texting you this info isnt he?!?!?


5. The only thing ignorant I see in here is you little guy.... take off the blinders
I need to take of the blinders? From what? There is no legit reason to believe he will be gone. How about you take off your blinders, and look at the numerous times he has said he is staying, and there is no reason to trade him.
the only legit reason you need to know on why he will be gone is because the dude wants to win... aint gonna happen in seattle & he knows that... hence the no trade list to the Yankees & other big market teams..... for leverage when the Mariners start shopping him when he says he wants to test free agency & the M's know they are going to lose him for nothing.

Study up son.
So you study up son ( and based on your Math in #4 you need to get off the message boards and open up a text book ) & get on my level.... you are over matched here....

Why do you assume that Felix would want to be a Yankee?

He is very happy in Seattle, has said so several times. Took a home town offer while the team was in rebuilding mode to stick around. He appears to want to remain there and is happy there.

He has weathered the storms of rebuilding, and with their farm system and current big league pieces they could compete within a few seasons. Felix will be a huge part for Seattle to actually win in a few years. There is no reason to trade him, as he is a young ace. The M's have the money, and the ability to control him long term. The only catch is if Felix actually wants to be in Seattle, and it appears he does.


I'm not a Mariners fan, but even I get annoyed with how so many Yankee fans/other baseball fans just assume he will be a Yankee. There is no reason to think that, or even to suggest it. M's don't want to part with him, Yankees are trying to lower payroll, and don't really have the pieces the M's would even want to part with him.

No reason to continue down this speculatory road.

jej
08-23-2012, 08:00 PM
Wilhelmsen, Carp, Pryor, Kelley, Luetge (rule 5), Ramirez.

Plus guys we got as prospects/**** such as Vargas, Smoak, Beavan.

Look at the other guys that you built around, Tex, Grandy, CC, Swisher, Kuroda, Soriano, Arod. How many of those guys did you trade for, or get when they were young, unproven guys? Zero?

jej
08-23-2012, 08:01 PM
A ha ha

Ahahahahahaah

Yeah, if only what he said was correct.

Jeffy25
08-23-2012, 08:05 PM
Wilhelmsen, Carp, Pryor, Kelley, Luetge (rule 5), Ramirez.

Plus guys we got as prospects/**** such as Vargas, Smoak, Beavan.

Look at the other guys that you built around, Tex, Grandy, CC, Swisher, Kuroda, Soriano, Arod. How many of those guys did you trade for, or get when they were young, unproven guys? Zero?

You said they bought players. They have only bought CC, Tex, and Burnett.

The rest of the guys they got that were available to everyone else. And most of them, like Granderson and A-Rod they traded home grown talent to get (Austin Jackson, Alfonso Soriano?).

Kuroda and Swisher could have been signed by anybody, they were cheap deals.


You are missing the mark on this one. The Yankees and Red Sox are both full of home grown talent, as every team in baseball is. People just tend to incorrectly focus on the Yankees for buying CC, Tex, and Burnett in one off-season (even though they actually managed to lower their payroll that year) for being the highest bidders. Most of their talent they have acquired via trade or draft. They actually have a higher percentage of home grown players on their 40 man roster than the league average, and then another huge chunk are from trades they made by giving up home-grown talent to acquire.

You can't be an organization like the Yankees in our modern baseball society without having a strong farm system providing you options. Just buying players, but not spitting out homegrown players will eventually land you where the Mets and Cubs have been the last few years. You HAVE to have internal farm options. And the Yankees have absolutely had that by the boat-load.

Yankee Clipper
08-23-2012, 08:06 PM
Wilhelmsen, Carp, Pryor, Kelley, Luetge (rule 5), Ramirez.

Plus guys we got as prospects/**** such as Vargas, Smoak, Beavan.

Look at the other guys that you built around, Tex, Grandy, CC, Swisher, Kuroda, Soriano, Arod. How many of those guys did you trade for, or get when they were young, unproven guys? Zero?

You said they bought players. They have only bought CC, Tex, and Burnett.

The rest of the guys they got that were available to everyone else. And most of them, like Granderson and A-Rod they traded home grown talent to get (Austin Jackson, Alfonso Soriano?).

Kuroda and Swisher could have been signed by anybody, they were cheap deals.


You are missing the mark on this one. The Yankees and Red Sox are both full of home grown talent, as every team in baseball is. People just tend to incorrectly focus on the Yankees for buying CC, Tex, and Burnett in one off-season (even though they actually managed to lower their payroll that year) for being the highest bidders. Most of their talent they have acquired via trade or draft. They actually have a higher percentage of home grown players on their 40 man roster than the league average, and then another huge chunk are from trades they made by giving up home-grown talent to acquire.

You can't be an organization like the Yankees in our modern baseball society without having a strong farm system providing you options.

The voice of reason. You saved me a whole lot of typing :clap:

jej
08-23-2012, 08:06 PM
We only signed 7 players on the 40 man. Yankees signed ~17. That was more my point. My original post was wrong.

He seems to think the only way to build a winner is thru signing big time players, when the Rays, Giants and Nats will tell you differently

jej
08-23-2012, 08:09 PM
The voice of reason. You saved me a whole lot of typing :clap:

I think you should be the voice of reason to your fellow ignorant Yankee fan who thinks Felix will be a yankee, even tho he has expressed the opposite

Yankee Clipper
08-23-2012, 08:10 PM
The voice of reason. You saved me a whole lot of typing :clap:

I think you should be the voice of reason to your fellow ignorant Yankee fan who thinks Felix will be a yankee, even tho he has expressed the opposite

I can't tell anyone what Felix is going to do, that's up to him. If he said he wants to stay in Seattle that's great I would be happy if he does stay where he started. But as we've seen in the past with Pujols as an example, players don't always follow through with their original comments.

theslick1
08-23-2012, 08:13 PM
Wilhelmsen, Carp, Pryor, Kelley, Luetge (rule 5), Ramirez.

Plus guys we got as prospects/**** such as Vargas, Smoak, Beavan.

I'll give you Pryor but the others are not "home grown."

Wilhelmson was drafted by the Brewers

Carp was drafted by the Mets

Luetge was drafted by the White Sox.

Smoak was drafted by the Rangers.

Beavan was drafted by the Rangers.

Vargas was drafted by the Marlins.

theslick1
08-23-2012, 08:16 PM
I think you should be the voice of reason to your fellow ignorant Yankee fan who thinks Felix will be a yankee, even tho he has expressed the opposite

I have yet to see a Yankee fan claiming that Felix was going to be a Yankee.

I'm not as sure as you are that he will remain in Seattle because he will probably have to turn down more $$$/years to stay there, but that doesn't mean I think he will be a Yankee.

jej
08-23-2012, 08:18 PM
So what? We got them as prospects. Wilhelmsen had no career before us. We signed him and he started in Short Season A. I consider that home grown.

As for the others, I specifically said Luetge was rule 5, and that we got the others thru trade. Maybe you missed that part.

Jeffy25
08-23-2012, 08:18 PM
We only signed 7 players on the 40 man. Yankees signed ~17

Yankees have had 38 guys appear in the big leagues thus far this season for them

9 were out of the draft
Adam Warren
David Roberston
David Phelps
D.J. Mitchell
Derek Jeter
Phil Hughes
Brett Gardner
Joba Chamberlain
Andy Pettitte

5 were IFA's
Robinson Cano
Mariano Rivera
Ramiro Pena
Ivan Nova
Nunez

Here are the free agents they have acquired, 13.

Dwayne Wise, Clay Rapada, Corey Wade, Jason Nix, Kuroda, Andruw Jones, Derek Lowe, Raul Ibanez, Freddy Garcia, Eric Chavez on top of CC, Soriano, and Tex

And then there are the guys they gave up talent for and landed in a trade (8)
A-Rod
Granderson
Swisher
Casey McGhee
Boone Logan
Chad Qualls
Ichiro
Chris Stewart


And then 3 waiver claims
Darnell McDonald
Ryota Igarashi
Cody Eppley


14 through the farm system
13 in free agency
3 waiver claims
8 trades


That's a rather high amount.

People need to look past the 3 stars they out-bidded everyone over in 09 (CC, Burnett, and Tex) who by the way cost them the spot Mike Trout was drafted in and realize that Cashman assembles this roster through the making of his farm system.

jej
08-23-2012, 08:19 PM
I have yet to see a Yankee fan claiming that Felix was going to be a Yankee.

I'm not as sure as you are that he will remain in Seattle because he will probably have to turn down more $$$/years to stay there, but that doesn't mean I think he will be a Yankee.

Wow, you must not look around. How about that guy I was talking to before? '

Go into the Felix PG thread and you will see a few more.

jej
08-23-2012, 08:25 PM
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im so happy for king felix, and when he retires with a yankee hat with his 10 rings he will be a lock for the hall of fame

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The Mariners always give away their prized players. They can get plenty of good prospects in return. The don't have an ownrship that's going to carry a salary like all the big boys do.

Its actually a good thing Cliff Lee didn't come to NY. Would have been more wasted money with him.


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YAWN. As if Yankees' fans haven't seen a perfect game before.

Hernandez will be Yankees' property in due time.

Like the million dollar man once said, "Everyone has their price."

Mariners front office is cheaper than a $1 whore.

Plus there was a thread all about it.

theslick1
08-23-2012, 08:29 PM
I've never seen "BigBadPapaBear" posting in the Yankee forum so if he's a Yankees fan, it's news to me.

inferno is a serious Yankees fan but most of his posts (like that one) are not of the serious variety

Yankee Clipper
08-23-2012, 08:30 PM
I've never seen "BigBadPapaBear" posting in the Yankee forum so if he's a Yankees fan, it's news to me.

inferno is a serious Yankees fan but most of his posts (like that one) are not of the serious variety

This.

jej
08-23-2012, 08:34 PM
http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?t=737113

try this.

NYY09
08-23-2012, 08:35 PM
Why has a Swisher thread turned into a Yankees-Mariners slop-fest?

Nobody really cares if Felix will be a Yankee or not, the team doesn't truly need him. Would it be nice? sure, but the team already has CC as their "ace". What the team needs/needed was more of a quality no.2, hence the Pineda trade, and not a Phillies type rotation, especially with some of their contract issues already. Besides, if the team really wanted Felix they probably could have gotten him instead of Pineda, they have the resources in the minors.

Also, the team does have the resources to acquire players in many different ways and chooses to utilize any and all of them for the betterment of the team, why shouldn't they? So if they acquired more players one way than the other what difference does it make? Just plain hate to try and point out how many players they have that were acquire in one way or another.

jej
08-23-2012, 08:38 PM
No, they couldnt have gotten him instead. They have tried countless times. If we were to trade Felix, it would not be for prospects. It would be young, but proven big league-rs.

theslick1
08-23-2012, 08:42 PM
http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?t=737113

try this.

I can tell you that Felix threads pop up in the Yankee forum all the time, so much so that it's kind of running joke.

NYY09
08-23-2012, 08:42 PM
No, they couldnt have gotten him instead. They have tried countless times. If we were to trade Felix, it would not be for prospects. It would be young, but proven big league-rs.

So you're either psychic or BFF's with Jack Z, sweet.

jej
08-23-2012, 08:46 PM
I am going off of what Jack, and other people have said multiple times. You are going off what you want to believe. I dont get how you guys think whatever is said means either nothing, or the exact opposite. Mine has a little more evidence.

Do you honestly think that with how much the Yankees have been after Felix, that if they had the chance to get him, they would turn it down?

jej
08-23-2012, 08:47 PM
I can tell you that Felix threads pop up in the Yankee forum all the time, so much so that it's kind of running joke.

You said you have never seen a Yankee fan say Felix will be a Yankee....

I just showed you like 50

NYY09
08-23-2012, 08:51 PM
I am going off of what Jack, and other people have said multiple times. You are going off what you want to believe. I dont get how you guys think whatever is said means either nothing, or the exact opposite. Mine has a little more evidence.

Do you honestly think that with how much the Yankees have been after Felix, that if they had the chance to get him, they would turn it down?

That you have heard or read through the media, so yeah real heavy credible "evidence".

The only thing I believe is any player can be had for the right price, and I dont think that is disputable.

theslick1
08-23-2012, 08:54 PM
You said you have never seen a Yankee fan say Felix will be a Yankee....

I just showed you like 50

You showed me NONE.

That thread has 172 posts and most of them are talking about various trade proposals. I didn't see any Yankee fans saying "Felix will be a Yankee.''

jej
08-23-2012, 09:18 PM
What about the inferno one, the ones in the thread, and that guy I was arguing with? Are you seriously going to ignore those?

MattS
08-23-2012, 09:18 PM
Buy all their players? thats an old argument that is far from anywhere close to factual.
Get a clue guy..... during the Yankees great run since what 1996..... most of their core players have been home grown or acquired via trade with other home grown stars...... The Yankees spend sure.. because they can.. they are everything that is right about baseball & running a business........but a majority of their roster year in & year out have been home grown.... come .... get... some...!


Not all teams feel the need to buy all their players like the Bankees. What are there, like 3 home grown guys on the team?

MattS
08-23-2012, 09:19 PM
dont forget Phelps & Rapada..... dont waste your time.. this kid is way over matched & clueless


I'll let you count.

Yankees: Cano, Jeter, Nova, Hughes, Joba, Robertson PLUS three others on the DL (Pettitte, Rivera, Gardner).

Mariners: Ackley, Seager, Capps, Saunders, Felix

MattS
08-23-2012, 09:23 PM
because if Felix makes it to Free Agency... the Yankees are going to hand him a blank check... thats the bottom line.... the will offer the best chance to win a World Series..... if Felix or Kershaw ever make it to free agency both will get blank checks... whether they take it or not no one knows... but a chance to win every year plus whatever they are asking for is tought thing to turn down


Why do you assume that Felix would want to be a Yankee?

He is very happy in Seattle, has said so several times. Took a home town offer while the team was in rebuilding mode to stick around. He appears to want to remain there and is happy there.

He has weathered the storms of rebuilding, and with their farm system and current big league pieces they could compete within a few seasons. Felix will be a huge part for Seattle to actually win in a few years. There is no reason to trade him, as he is a young ace. The M's have the money, and the ability to control him long term. The only catch is if Felix actually wants to be in Seattle, and it appears he does.


I'm not a Mariners fan, but even I get annoyed with how so many Yankee fans/other baseball fans just assume he will be a Yankee. There is no reason to think that, or even to suggest it. M's don't want to part with him, Yankees are trying to lower payroll, and don't really have the pieces the M's would even want to part with him.

No reason to continue down this speculatory road.

jej
08-23-2012, 09:26 PM
dont forget Phelps & Rapada..... dont waste your time.. this kid is way over matched & clueless

You are an idiot man. You think you are so high and mighty, and in reality you don't know what you are talking about. He has said he will stay, and until he says otherwise, he will be here.

You said yourself they are lowering payroll. You think they can spend that much.

Get off your ****ing high horse dude. You make **** up, and assume that whatever Jack or Felix say actually means the opposite.

MattS
08-23-2012, 09:30 PM
youre silly... Rule 5 is not home grown....

Yankees have more prospects such as Banuelos, Bentances, Sanchez & Williams to name a few.....

Smoak?!?!?! lol... how did that trade work out for you??? the guy blows!

As for the guys you listed.... lets see....Teixeira & Kuroda & CC & Soriano came as free agents... Granderson cost us Phil Coke, Austin Jackson & Ian Kennedy... Kennedy a Cy Young contender.... Austin Jackson a good Cf'er who will win a gold glove this year....... Coke a valuable bullpen arm... all 3 developed by the Yankees for Granderson...
Swisher... gottten for Betemit.... after hitting .219 Yankees turned his career around.. dude is going to GET PAID this offseason.
Arod cost us Soriano... a big time player in Texas & Chicago with a huge contract.. developed by the Yankees.....
You see..... loaded farm ='s players that become a win win.... you are over matched little guy



Wilhelmsen, Carp, Pryor, Kelley, Luetge (rule 5), Ramirez.

Plus guys we got as prospects/**** such as Vargas, Smoak, Beavan.

Look at the other guys that you built around, Tex, Grandy, CC, Swisher, Kuroda, Soriano, Arod. How many of those guys did you trade for, or get when they were young, unproven guys? Zero?

MattS
08-23-2012, 09:32 PM
hahahah this kid is overmatched..... good one slick!



I'll give you Pryor but the others are not "home grown."

Wilhelmson was drafted by the Brewers

Carp was drafted by the Mets

Luetge was drafted by the White Sox.

Smoak was drafted by the Rangers.

Beavan was drafted by the Rangers.

Vargas was drafted by the Marlins.

MattS
08-23-2012, 09:33 PM
you also said 61-63 was .500 ------ sooooooooooo.....................


So what? We got them as prospects. Wilhelmsen had no career before us. We signed him and he started in Short Season A. I consider that home grown.

.

MattS
08-23-2012, 09:35 PM
this here is how this guy is owning this little kid........ wow!



Yankees have had 38 guys appear in the big leagues thus far this season for them

9 were out of the draft
Adam Warren
David Roberston
David Phelps
D.J. Mitchell
Derek Jeter
Phil Hughes
Brett Gardner
Joba Chamberlain
Andy Pettitte

5 were IFA's
Robinson Cano
Mariano Rivera
Ramiro Pena
Ivan Nova
Nunez

Here are the free agents they have acquired, 13.

Dwayne Wise, Clay Rapada, Corey Wade, Jason Nix, Kuroda, Andruw Jones, Derek Lowe, Raul Ibanez, Freddy Garcia, Eric Chavez on top of CC, Soriano, and Tex

And then there are the guys they gave up talent for and landed in a trade (8)
A-Rod
Granderson
Swisher
Casey McGhee
Boone Logan
Chad Qualls
Ichiro
Chris Stewart


And then 3 waiver claims
Darnell McDonald
Ryota Igarashi
Cody Eppley


14 through the farm system
13 in free agency
3 waiver claims
8 trades


That's a rather high amount.

People need to look past the 3 stars they out-bidded everyone over in 09 (CC, Burnett, and Tex) who by the way cost them the spot Mike Trout was drafted in and realize that Cashman assembles this roster through the making of his farm system.

MattS
08-23-2012, 09:40 PM
Can you get it in writing????


You are an idiot man. You think you are so high and mighty, and in reality you don't know what you are talking about. He has said he will stay, and until he says otherwise, he will be here.
Can you get it in writing?

You said yourself they are lowering payroll. You think they can spend that much. yes 100% for Felix they can spend that much & will... the Yankees will hand Felix a blank check..... will he take it who knows but it will be there from the Yankees and 3-5 other teams... and Felix will not be a Mariner in 2 years

Get off your ****ing high horse dude. You make **** up, and assume that whatever Jack or Felix say actually means the opposite.thats because it is... again... you must have trouble reading too.... Jack Z has to appease the fans... Felix isnt going to say he is going somewhere else.... smh

todu82
08-23-2012, 09:47 PM
He is a good player but he is not worth a 100 million dollar contract.

jej
08-23-2012, 09:53 PM
You are a legit troll.
Me misspeaking has nothing to do with what I think is homegrown. At this point, you are piggy backing off of what other people said. No one agrees with you here dude.


Right now you just sound like an ignorant, cocky dumbass. Quoting other people an saying "Oohhh you got owned" is idiotic. If you aren't going to bring anything to the discussion other than that ****, don't hang around.

You think how you interpret and skew quotes in a completely opposite way is valid. More valid than taking the quotes for what they actually say. How does that make any sense? How can you pretend to know what Felix will do? You talk about me "texting Felix", but you say things that male even less sense, and have nothing to back the up. How can you do that? I am using what people have said multiple times literally. That is more valid that completely ignoring them and saying the complete opposite.

Humble up a little dude. I admitted I was wrong about some things, you should learn to do that. Also learn to use evidence to support what you say. It will make everything a lot easier.


You starting this for no reason with your baiting anyway. Had nothing to do with the discussion. Now you think calling me "little kid" is demeaning or something. I probably am younger than you, but I still know a lot more about baseball.

TRUTH-TELLER
08-24-2012, 12:46 AM
hahaha

theslick1
08-24-2012, 01:09 AM
What about the inferno one, the ones in the thread, and that guy I was arguing with? Are you seriously going to ignore those?

Yes, because those people aren't being serious. They're just pushing your buttons. Look, no one knows what Felix is going to do. What if he has a year like Lincecum had this year? What if he has some kind of injury? Did you ever stop to think that maybe the Mariners wouldn't want to bring him back? And for what it's worth, I don't think he's going to the Yankees.

jej
08-24-2012, 01:10 AM
MattS is serious.

DeyAce
08-24-2012, 01:27 AM
He is a good player but he is not worth a 100 million dollar contract.

This.

akagiredsuns
08-24-2012, 01:29 AM
Swisher expects $100M? Buwaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhaaaaahhhhaaaaa. Say no to drugs Nick.

Halladay
08-24-2012, 01:58 AM
youre silly... Rule 5 is not home grown....

Yankees have more prospects such as Banuelos, Bentances, Sanchez & Williams to name a few.....

Smoak?!?!?! lol... how did that trade work out for you??? the guy blows!

As for the guys you listed.... lets see....Teixeira & Kuroda & CC & Soriano came as free agents... Granderson cost us Phil Coke, Austin Jackson & Ian Kennedy... Kennedy a Cy Young contender.... Austin Jackson a good Cf'er who will win a gold glove this year....... Coke a valuable bullpen arm... all 3 developed by the Yankees for Granderson...
Swisher... gottten for Betemit.... after hitting .219 Yankees turned his career around.. dude is going to GET PAID this offseason.
Arod cost us Soriano... a big time player in Texas & Chicago with a huge contract.. developed by the Yankees.....
You see..... loaded farm ='s players that become a win win.... you are over matched little guy


hahahah this kid is overmatched..... good one slick!


you also said 61-63 was .500 ------ sooooooooooo.....................


this here is how this guy is owning this little kid........ wow!


Can you get it in writing????

thats because it is... again... you must have trouble reading too.... Jack Z has to appease the fans... Felix isnt going to say he is going somewhere else.... smh
Those are some sick post padding skills bro.

SACNYY
08-24-2012, 02:00 AM
I'd re-sign him to a 3/35

jej
08-24-2012, 02:05 AM
I would like to apologize for my part in turning this thread into a Felix debate. But in my defense, he started it and kind of baited.

But again, partly my bad.

MattS
08-24-2012, 08:52 AM
lol.... you know very little about baseball... ive forgotten more baseball then you know little dude.... you dont even know simple math.... 61-63 is NOT .500 for starters.... and also you are not Nostradamus...... saying the Mariners are only going to get better... that is a baseless argument... you are a silly little guy... i have used plenty of evidence & substance as have others who have continues to make a mockery of everything you have said..... squeeze you little M's Moose stuffed animal when you go to bed and keep telling yoruself there will be Felix dancing with sugar plums forever.... only when you wake up you will realize in 2 years just like you find out in your sleep.. it will only be a dream.

[QUOTE=jej;23418732

Humble up a little dude. I admitted I was wrong about some things, you should learn to do that. Also learn to use evidence to support what you say. It will make everything a lot easier.


You starting this for no reason with your baiting anyway. Had nothing to do with the discussion. Now you think calling me "little kid" is demeaning or something. I probably am younger than you, but I still know a lot more about baseball.[/QUOTE]

MattS
08-24-2012, 08:53 AM
hahah... i need to stop going 1 by 1



Those are some sick post padding skills bro.

jej
08-24-2012, 11:47 AM
Alright, now he is posting from 2 accounts. Ban him already.

jej
08-24-2012, 11:55 AM
lol.... you know very little about baseball... ive forgotten more baseball then you know little dude.... you dont even know simple math.... 61-63 is NOT .500 for starters.... and also you are not Nostradamus...... saying the Mariners are only going to get better... that is a baseless argument... you are a silly little guy... i have used plenty of evidence & substance as have others who have continues to make a mockery of everything you have said..... squeeze you little M's Moose stuffed animal when you go to bed and keep telling yoruself there will be Felix dancing with sugar plums forever.... only when you wake up you will realize in 2 years just like you find out in your sleep.. it will only be a dream.

I have a feeling you are like 12.

I said I meant to say close to .500. Most people would realize that.

Why can't I make accurate assumptions, when you can make crazy, baseless assumptions?

I dont think you have used anything except your flawed opinion. Others have used some evidence, yes, and THEY proved me wrong on something that wasn't even relevant to the conversation. And anyway, you made a mockery of me? How? All you did is make yourself like an arrogant fool.

Then you just start attempting to make fun of me, by calling me little and saying I play with a moose, like that is supposed to do something. That can get you banned, as well as posting on multiple accounts like you did.

I don't get how you think saying he will be a Yankee, over all other 29 teams, has a basis, when he has said multiple times he will be here forever, and even if he doesn't, there's a very good chance he doesn't become a Yankee.

PS, put together a complete sentence once in a while, it looks better.

MattS
08-24-2012, 12:20 PM
sorry my lovable little friend.. this is my only account... but as you can see.. your buddy Jack Z just said Felix is leaving in the thread... all other arguments are now deemed pointless. Felix is out in Winter 2014


I have a feeling you are like 12.

I said I meant to say close to .500. Most people would realize that.

Why can't I make accurate assumptions, when you can make crazy, baseless assumptions?

I dont think you have used anything except your flawed opinion. Others have used some evidence, yes, and THEY proved me wrong on something that wasn't even relevant to the conversation. And anyway, you made a mockery of me? How? All you did is make yourself like an arrogant fool.

Then you just start attempting to make fun of me, by calling me little and saying I play with a moose, like that is supposed to do something. That can get you banned, as well as posting on multiple accounts like you did.

I don't get how you think saying he will be a Yankee, over all other 29 teams, has a basis, when he has said multiple times he will be here forever, and even if he doesn't, there's a very good chance he doesn't become a Yankee.

PS, put together a complete sentence once in a while, it looks better.

jej
08-24-2012, 12:30 PM
God, you are a child.

Jeffy25
08-24-2012, 12:34 PM
getting a little out of hand, closing this