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justinnum1
08-20-2012, 02:29 PM
These are the ESPN predictions

Miami 62-20
Boston 52-30
Indy 52-30
Bulls 46-36
Nets 46-36
76ers 46-36
knicks 45-37
hawks 40-42

I think they are way off on the Knicks and some others. I see knicks being anywhere from 3rd to 5th most likely the 4th seed. also, the hawks at 8th? no.

BobbyHillSwag
08-20-2012, 02:32 PM
well their prediction pretty much guarantees knicks will be one of the top teams in the east. Thanks epsn

DR_1
08-20-2012, 02:32 PM
Stop trolling the Knicks fans

xxplayerxx23
08-20-2012, 02:32 PM
I disagree with these rankings.

justinnum1
08-20-2012, 02:33 PM
Stop trolling the Knicks fans

Stay on topic please.

Hawkeye15
08-20-2012, 02:33 PM
Didn't they predict the Knicks there last year? Tell me again, where did the Knicks finish?

Why are so many overrating the Knicks? They are a playoff team, but they will be hard pressed to win 50 games. I agree more or less, though I do think the Bulls slip even further unless Rose contributes late.

DR_1
08-20-2012, 02:35 PM
Stay on topic please.

:facepalm:

mvb815
08-20-2012, 02:36 PM
looks about right, that 8th spot might be debatable

pebloemer
08-20-2012, 02:38 PM
Does "knicks 7th" need to be in the title of the thread? Why target one team when the article references 15?

No surprises int he Top 3 for me. 4-7 I'm sure there will be plenty of debate around. The 8-12 mix probably has plenty of different opinions too. Nothing surprising in these rankings.

SteBO
08-20-2012, 02:38 PM
I don't think the Nets will be better than the Knicks this year, and I think they have the Bulls a little too high unless they're factoring in a healthy Rose contributing late. Other than that, I think this list is okay.

BobbyHillSwag
08-20-2012, 02:38 PM
Didn't they predict the Knicks there last year? Tell me again, where did the Knicks finish?

Why are so many overrating the Knicks? They are a playoff team, but they will be hard pressed to win 50 games. I agree more or less, though I do think the Bulls slip even further unless Rose contributes late.

didnt they pick every lebron james team to win the championship for like 5 years straight and they were wrong on every one? They get much more wrong then right. They wont be right about the knicks this year. It took the worst circumstances possible for the knicks to get 7th seed. No way they are even close to as bad as they were last year unless they get hit with tons of injuries again.

still1ballin
08-20-2012, 02:38 PM
I think Bulls are a little too high.

justinnum1
08-20-2012, 02:40 PM
Does "knicks 7th" need to be in the title of the thread? Why target one team when the article references 15?

No surprises int he Top 3 for me. 4-7 I'm sure there will be plenty of debate around. The 8-12 mix probably has plenty of different opinions too. Nothing surprising in these rankings.

Because that stood out to me more so than any of the other predictions. 7th for them is pretty low imo.

Hawkeye15
08-20-2012, 02:40 PM
didnt they pick every lebron james team to win the championship for like 5 years straight and they were wrong on every one? They get much more wrong then right. They wont be right about the knicks this year. It took the worst circumstances possible for the knicks to get 7th seed. No way they are even close to as bad as they were last year unless they get hit with tons of injuries again.

Simply refuting what you said. Many, including me, picked the Knicks to finish 7th last season. We were right....

The Knicks have 3 players who are injured every year with various whatevers. Its not the big of a stretch to predict more missed time amongst them. Furthermore, what have they done to get better? They got older, for sure.

I don't think the Knicks have any shot at winning 50 games, unless Melo/Amare/Chandler for the first time in a few seasons miss zero time, and they have zip injury concerns.

Mr. Baller
08-20-2012, 02:44 PM
Miami
Boston
Indy
NJ
NY
Bulls
Sixers
Cavs

Is how I have it for now. Wouldn't be shocked if Bulls are higher though.

TheRunKiller
08-20-2012, 02:45 PM
I think Bulls are a little too high.

I think you're a little too high

Hawkeye15
08-20-2012, 02:48 PM
Miami
Boston
Indy
NJ
NY
Bulls
Sixers
Cavs

Is how I have it for now. Wouldn't be shocked if Bulls are higher though.

Replace the Cavs with the Hawks and that is what I have.

EDUTEXANS
08-20-2012, 02:49 PM
What about the other 7 teams. I would like to know how they ranked teams like the Wizard and the Bucks, team that can challange for the playoffs, especially the Hawks.

BobbyHillSwag
08-20-2012, 02:49 PM
Simply refuting what you said. Many, including me, picked the Knicks to finish 7th last season. We were right....

The Knicks have 3 players who are injured every year with various whatevers. Its not the big of a stretch to predict more missed time amongst them. Furthermore, what have they done to get better? They got older, for sure.

I don't think the Knicks have any shot at winning 50 games, unless Melo/Amare/Chandler for the first time in a few seasons miss zero time, and they have zip injury concerns.

Im sure you know how much difference a pg makes. Their 3rd string pg is now better than their starting one last year. That will improve them tremendously just based on that. We'll just have to wait and see though.

29$JerZ
08-20-2012, 02:50 PM
Miami
Boston
Indiana
Chicago
New York/Philly
Philly/ New York
Atlanta (if they don't break up Horford/Smith)
Bucks/Nets/Wizards

That's how I see it

j-bay
08-20-2012, 02:52 PM
Miami
Boston
Indy
NJ
NY
Bulls
Sixers
Cavs

Is how I have it for now. Wouldn't be shocked if Bulls are higher though.

Wizards, Hawks are way better then the Cavs

Hawkeye15
08-20-2012, 02:52 PM
Im sure you know how much difference a pg makes. Their 3rd string pg is now better than their starting one last year. That will improve them tremendously just based on that. We'll just have to wait and see though.

I am interested to see how Felton bounces back, now that he is back in NY and probably has the starting gig. I still think they will continue to have injury concerns, and I have nearly lost faith in Melo being the best player on a team that can win a playoff series at this point. Amare needs a huge bounceback as well, he was awful last year in all reality. I hate JR Smith, I think he is a loser, and your bench is old enough to sweat dust. I just don't see a good run unless the health fairy sprinkles magic dust on Amare's knee, Melo's vag, and Chandler's entire body.

pebloemer
08-20-2012, 02:53 PM
Because that stood out to me more so than any of the other predictions. 7th for them is pretty low imo.

It didn't really surprise me at all. It is where they finished last year, and while I imagine Knicks fans would argue they've improved, many other Eastern teams have improved as well. The 4-7 cluster of teams can all be argued over one another IMO.

Hawkeye15
08-20-2012, 02:55 PM
It didn't really surprise me at all. It is where they finished last year, and while I imagine Knicks fans would argue they've improved, many other Eastern teams have improved as well. The 4-7 cluster of teams can all be argued over one another IMO.

This is so true. I have read countless pages of fans arguing over what will be in reality, a 5 game difference for 4 spots probably. So ridiculous.

pebloemer
08-20-2012, 02:56 PM
What about the other 7 teams. I would like to know how they ranked teams like the Wizard and the Bucks, team that can challange for the playoffs, especially the Hawks.

I believe Bucks were 9 and Wizards were 10. By memory I believe Raptor's were 11, Cavs were 12, Detroit 13, Charlotte 14, Orlando 15. I may have mixed one or two up though. Article is on ESPN NBA main page.

DLCK
08-20-2012, 02:59 PM
Miami
Boston
Indiana
Chicago
New York/Philly
Philly/ New York
Atlanta (if they don't break up Horford/Smith)
Bucks/Nets/Wizards

That's how I see it


This

pebloemer
08-20-2012, 03:01 PM
This is so true. I have read countless pages of fans arguing over what will be in reality, a 5 game difference for 4 spots probably. So ridiculous.

East always seems particularly tough to project. I think Chicago is the biggest wild card this year. When Thibadeau has that group playing stellar defense, they can be very dangerous, even without Rose. I think they are often overlooked because without Rose they don't look as "sexy" on paper.

EDUTEXANS
08-20-2012, 03:04 PM
I believe Bucks were 9 and Wizards were 10. By memory I believe Raptor's were 11, Cavs were 12, Detroit 13, Charlotte 14, Orlando 15. I may have mixed one or two up though. Article is on ESPN NBA main page.

oh, thank you, didn't see it before.

Wow, I think they have Washington too low. I have them fighting with the Bucks and the Hawks for the last playoff spot. All three team with around 40 wins.

j-bay
08-20-2012, 03:06 PM
oh, thank you, didn't see it before.

Wow, I think they have Washington too low. I have them fighting with the Bucks and the Hawks for the last playoff spot. All three team with around 40 wins.

Washington was 12 and Cleveland is 10 i think thats BS

EnWhyKay
08-20-2012, 03:06 PM
What about the other 7 teams. I would like to know how they ranked teams like the Wizard and the Bucks, team that can challange for the playoffs, especially the Hawks.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8273488/2012-nba-summer-forecast-east-standings

There you go..

seikou8
08-20-2012, 03:07 PM
man we suck according to psd but us knicks fans are still relevant people still care and talk about us and our team :cool:

EDUTEXANS
08-20-2012, 03:12 PM
Washington was 12 and Cleveland is 10 i think thats BS

Yep, I don't see the Cavs being better than Washington in any scenario even though Irving is clearly the best player between these two teams. If Beal pans out, I would say they're the favorites for the 8th spot along with Atlanta, they have a good balanced team.

Hellcrooner
08-20-2012, 03:13 PM
I say one ( or both) out of Hawks and Sixers craps their pants and Either/or Wizards and Raptors sneak In.


Bulls could end lower than they rank them deppending on when and how rose comes back.

JordansBulls
08-20-2012, 03:19 PM
These are the ESPN predictions

Miami 62-20
Boston 52-30
Indy 52-30
Bulls 46-36
Nets 46-36
76ers 46-36
knicks 45-37
hawks 40-42

I think they are way off on the Knicks and some others. I see knicks being anywhere from 3rd to 5th most likely the 4th seed. also, the hawks at 8th? no.

they are predicting Miami 60-22 not 62-20 and Boston/Indy 50-32 not 52-30.

justinnum1
08-20-2012, 03:20 PM
they are predicting Miami 60-22 not 62-20 and Boston/Indy 50-32 not 52-30.

your right, my bad.

Mr. Baller
08-20-2012, 03:21 PM
Replace the Cavs with the Hawks and that is what I have.

I don't know why but I love the Cavs this season. I expect big things from Kyrie. I see the Hawks on the borderline, but I could see them dealing Smoove before this season is over, and would knock them out of contention

EnWhyKay
08-20-2012, 03:21 PM
Those Analysts over at ESPN covered themselves by putting only a one game difference between the 4-7 seeds in the east. It could honestly go either way.. Just wondered how they could give Chicago the edge. Especially with the key injury of Rose.. The Knicks should come into the season 100% outside of Iman Shumpert.. That alone with the familiarity from last season should give NY the edge.

Also BK shouldnt be that high in my opinion. They have no bench.. And thier best defensive players wont be on the floor in crunch time..

juster1028
08-20-2012, 03:25 PM
knicks 70-12
Miami 50-32
Boston 49-33
Indy 47-35
Bulls 46-36
Nets 46-36
76ers 46-36
hawks 40-42

C_Mund
08-20-2012, 03:26 PM
Obviously lots of fans feel like their team is going to be a bit better than what the pundits say, and I'm no different. 32 wins for a Raps team that was starting 2 D-league call-ups for a third of the season.... I don't know. I guess they'll have to actually have a good season for anybody to believe it can happen.

BobbyHillSwag
08-20-2012, 03:28 PM
knicks 70-12
Miami 50-32
Boston 49-33
Indy 47-35
Bulls 46-36
Nets 46-36
76ers 46-36
hawks 40-42

THIS :hi5::dance2::lift:

sixers are too low though.

ryang
08-20-2012, 03:31 PM
knicks 70-12
Miami 50-32
Boston 49-33
Indy 47-35
Bulls 46-36
Nets 46-36
76ers 46-36
hawks 40-42

pass that.. puff puff.. don't smoke it to the head.. See your post for details..

NYCEVO8
08-20-2012, 03:38 PM
knicks 70-12
Miami 50-32
Boston 49-33
Indy 47-35
Bulls 46-36
Nets 46-36
76ers 46-36
hawks 40-42

Im a knick fan and i usually smoke dust with my Weed but please please help a feen find that new BLUE Magic Cuz your buggin Homie lmfao!!!!!

StarvingKnick22
08-20-2012, 03:39 PM
this is fake because their reports before like a WEEK ago said knicks are top 6 to win a chip. so either this is fake, or they are as confused as an 18 girl in the cheerleader's lockerroom.

StarvingKnick22
08-20-2012, 03:41 PM
knicks 70-12
Miami 50-32
Boston 49-33
Indy 47-35
Bulls 46-36
Nets 46-36
76ers 46-36
hawks 40-42

whats so wrong about this prediction, it seems legit, except he's just underrating our win numbers in this. :D

DoMeFavors
08-20-2012, 03:51 PM
Nets should be where Boston is.

Gritz
08-20-2012, 03:52 PM
I'd say everyone is pretty much on point, except i'd say Pacers win 47 or 48 games

Guppyfighter
08-20-2012, 03:52 PM
Best way to predict is to use the teams roster and use each players EWA. It predicted last year with 88 percent accuracy.

DoMeFavors
08-20-2012, 03:53 PM
Miami
Boston
Indiana
Chicago
New York/Philly
Philly/ New York
Atlanta (if they don't break up Horford/Smith)
Bucks/Nets/Wizards

That's how I see it

Where is Toronto you suddenly drop them from the playoffs? You had them as the 8th seed last week.

Ill21
08-20-2012, 03:53 PM
Because that stood out to me more so than any of the other predictions. 7th for them is pretty low imo.

I think the Knicks finish anywhere between 2-5. Heat have #1 on lock unless 2/3 off the big 3 go down.

DR_1
08-20-2012, 03:54 PM
I have:
Heat
Celtics
Pacers
Bulls
Knicks
Nets
76ers
Wizards
Hawks
Raptors
Cavs
Bucks
Pistons
Magic
Bobcats



Really depends on when Rose is back for the Bulls

Gritz
08-20-2012, 03:55 PM
this is fake because their reports before like a WEEK ago said knicks are top 6 to win a chip. so either this is fake, or they are as confused as an 18 girl in the cheerleader's lockerroom.

Explain?

kjoke
08-20-2012, 03:59 PM
HEAT fan here thinking that the Heat don't end up 1st ANY other year. But with Boston not really caring about position, Rose's injury, and not really any GREAT teams out there, I can see them doing it. Only team that could potential is the 76ers

DR_1
08-20-2012, 04:00 PM
Nets should be where Boston is.

:laugh:

StarvingKnick22
08-20-2012, 04:10 PM
Explain?

imagine a hot blondy, and her boyfriend cheeted on her, and she loses all hope in men. she takes a shower in the girls lockerroom with all the other hot girls and likes what she sees. shall i continue?

29$JerZ
08-20-2012, 04:11 PM
Where is Toronto you suddenly drop them from the playoffs? You had them as the 8th seed last week.

I gave the spot to Nets since I felt bad for you

tuki274
08-20-2012, 04:13 PM
what do you think the shot of the raptors are for that 8th spot?

IMO, they have a really good shot...they have always been a borderline 9-11th spot (like last year but this was -with bargnani injured alot of the season)

With a healthy bargs and the addition of quality players (without really losing anybody) in fields, jonas, maybe rosee and most of all lowry who had the potential to be a fringe all star and the development of their younger guys like derozan and ed davis..

.i think they have a decent shot...well also because other teams have gotten weaker but what do you think their chances are?

SeoulBeatz
08-20-2012, 04:16 PM
Didn't they predict the Knicks there last year? Tell me again, where did the Knicks finish?

Why are so many overrating the Knicks? They are a playoff team, but they will be hard pressed to win 50 games. I agree more or less, though I do think the Bulls slip even further unless Rose contributes late.

I completely agree.

I'm not a knicks basher, but how in the hell does adding Brewer, 38 y/o Camby, 38 y/o Kidd, and losing Lin and Shump (shump is not going to be the same this year) suddenly make the Knicks a top 4 team in the East?

Didd anyone watch the Knicks-Heat series last year? We have yet to see Melo and Stat play well together.

There are just so many question marks it's honestly astonishing people have the Knicks rated so high.

j-bay
08-20-2012, 04:18 PM
what do you think the shot of the raptors are for that 8th spot?

IMO, they have a really good shot...they have always been a borderline 9-11th spot (like last year but this was -with bargnani injured alot of the season)

With a healthy bargs and the addition of quality players (without really losing anybody) in fields, jonas, maybe rosee and most of all lowry who had the potential to be a fringe all star and the development of their younger guys like derozan and ed davis..

.i think they have a decent shot...well also because other teams have gotten weaker but what do you think their chances are?

there are teams who have a shot for the 8th seed. where i would rank them

1.Hawks
2.Wizards
3.Bucks
4.Raptors
5.Cavs

DoMeFavors
08-20-2012, 04:24 PM
I gave the spot to Nets since I felt bad for you

Its not like you are a god that gets to pick where teams go, you can chose whoever you want. The fact is Nets will be a home court team.

Nycbball08
08-20-2012, 04:24 PM
I am interested to see how Felton bounces back, now that he is back in NY and probably has the starting gig. I still think they will continue to have injury concerns, and I have nearly lost faith in Melo being the best player on a team that can win a playoff series at this point. Amare needs a huge bounceback as well, he was awful last year in all reality. I hate JR Smith, I think he is a loser, and your bench is old enough to sweat dust. I just don't see a good run unless the health fairy sprinkles magic dust on Amare's knee, Melo's vag, and Chandler's entire body.

I think you smoked some of that fairy dust...:D

29$JerZ
08-20-2012, 04:29 PM
Its not like you are a god that gets to pick where teams go, you can chose whoever you want. The fact is Nets will be a home court team.


In your mind. In reality they will barely make the playoffs.

Mr. Baller
08-20-2012, 04:31 PM
In your mind. In reality they will barely make the playoffs.

Define barely. Because they should get in comfortably between 4-7.

BSF101
08-20-2012, 04:32 PM
I'm a Celtics fan, but the Bulls with only 46 wins? Really ESPN?

Federal Reserve
08-20-2012, 04:32 PM
I can post plenty of other prediction threads, but this will suffice.

2010 Playoffs - Heat vs. Celtics

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/347412/seriespicks.JPG

DoMeFavors
08-20-2012, 04:33 PM
In your mind. In reality they will barely make the playoffs.

In the minds of many like ESPN, the players, coaches believe they will be a top team in the east.

29$JerZ
08-20-2012, 04:39 PM
Define barely. Because they should get in comfortably between 4-7.

I am not fond of their roster to be honest. At best I say 7th seed. If Bynum gets hurt or NY endures another injury finish maybe 6th but thats pushing it. I seem them as an 8th seed, nothing about their team screams top team.

nate2usmc
08-20-2012, 04:42 PM
I am interested to see how Felton bounces back, now that he is back in NY and probably has the starting gig. I still think they will continue to have injury concerns, and I have nearly lost faith in Melo being the best player on a team that can win a playoff series at this point. Amare needs a huge bounceback as well, he was awful last year in all reality. I hate JR Smith, I think he is a loser, and your bench is old enough to sweat dust. I just don't see a good run unless the health fairy sprinkles magic dust on Amare's knee, Melo's vag, and Chandler's entire body.

:laugh: Love it. Knicks at 7 is highly debatable though. MUCH better PG situation. Toney Douglas and Bibby were the PG's starting last year. Wow.

Sinestro
08-20-2012, 04:45 PM
Switch Bulls and 76ers and I agree with the list

SeoulBeatz
08-20-2012, 05:07 PM
I'm a Celtics fan, but the Bulls with only 46 wins? Really ESPN?

Not too farfetched. I don't see anyway Rose plays like his old self until the 2013-14 season.

The East got a little better, and who knows if the Bulls can pull off the same magic they did without Rose last year. 46 wins is exactly where I'd put them with an unhealthy Rose. With a healthy Rose, Bulls are 2nd in the East, no doubt.

still1ballin
08-20-2012, 05:18 PM
I think you're a little too high

U mad bruh?

Minimal
08-20-2012, 06:03 PM
Seriously whats up with Nets being a top 5 team in the east? They were one of the worst teams last season and suddenly they get some players and become a top 5 team in the east straight away, did they get LeBron or smth? I say Cavaliers will have a better record this year than the Nets.

BSF101
08-20-2012, 06:25 PM
Not too farfetched. I don't see anyway Rose plays like his old self until the 2013-14 season.

The East got a little better, and who knows if the Bulls can pull off the same magic they did without Rose last year. 46 wins is exactly where I'd put them with an unhealthy Rose. With a healthy Rose, Bulls are 2nd in the East, no doubt.

I get what your saying, but damn 46 wins lol.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
08-20-2012, 06:25 PM
1. Heat
2. Celtics
3. 76ers
4. Bulls
5. Pacers
6. Knicks
7. Nets
8. Hawks


In before "but the Bulls don't have D-Rose" and "the 76ers are too high you're retarted" and "Knicks are too low smh".

DR_1
08-20-2012, 06:32 PM
In the minds of many like ESPN, the players, coaches believe they will be a top team in the east.

That doesn't exactly help your argument :laugh2:

GrumpyOldMan
08-20-2012, 06:42 PM
The main thing I get from this prediction is that the East will be tight and I agree. They have spots 4-7 seperated by 1 win. Forget about where the teams are slotted as that could be interchangeable. I think they are pretty close and the Bulls, Nets, 76ers and Knicks will be battling all season for seeding. Should be a much improved year for the Eastern conference IMO.

SeoulBeatz
08-20-2012, 07:06 PM
1. Heat
2. Celtics
3. 76ers
4. Bulls
5. Pacers
6. Knicks
7. Nets
8. Hawks


In before "but the Bulls don't have D-Rose" and "the 76ers are too high you're retarted" and "Knicks are too low smh".

I can dig these rankings :).

Honestly 3-5 are going to be Pacers, Sixers, Knicks in a toss up. I see the bulls at 6, Nets at 7, and :speechless: Wizards @ 8. I really like the Wizards lineup.

Knicks21
08-20-2012, 07:16 PM
I cannot see the celtics getting the number two seed, they are the second best team in the east, but they are not a regular season team. This has been the case with them for a while now.

xxplayerxx23
08-20-2012, 07:18 PM
I have it
1.Heat
2.Celtics
3.Indy
4.Knicks/Philly
5.Philly/Knicks
6.Nets
7.Bulls
8.RAPS!!!!!!!!

yanksrock
08-20-2012, 07:30 PM
Dumb!!

YEDN90
08-20-2012, 07:44 PM
Heat
Indy
Chicago
Boston
Philly
Brooklyn
NY
Toronto

Hawkeye15
08-20-2012, 07:50 PM
I think you smoked some of that fairy dust...:D

naturally as a Knicks fan you think that. But in reality, how did getting older, losing Lin, adding Felton and pretty much nothing else, make them better? Their fans whine about injuries, well every team deals with them, and Melo/Stat/Chandler have routinely missed games with injuries.

They need to hope for health entering the playoffs, and try and finish with a seed where they don't see the Heat round 1.

Hawkeye15
08-20-2012, 07:51 PM
the east is going to be fairly weak this year with Rose out. There will be one team with "contender" status on them.

LeBron Tha GOAT
08-20-2012, 07:59 PM
I actually think these are pretty spot on for some reason.

WickedBadMan
08-20-2012, 08:10 PM
List is pretty good, I would spread those Bulls wins around to other teams though, I would bounce them and add the Cavs or Wizards.

sintaks12
08-20-2012, 08:26 PM
I completely agree.

I'm not a knicks basher, but how in the hell does adding Brewer, 38 y/o Camby, 38 y/o Kidd, and losing Lin and Shump (shump is not going to be the same this year) suddenly make the Knicks a top 4 team in the East?

Didd anyone watch the Knicks-Heat series last year? We have yet to see Melo and Stat play well together.

There are just so many question marks it's honestly astonishing people have the Knicks rated so high.

I respectfully disagree... but I'll try not to be homerish about it. They had JJ backing up Chandler last year. Now they have one of the best shot blockers in the game. They had Bibby, Douglas and Shump playing point most of the time... now they have a VERY motivated Felton and one of the best PGs of my generation backing him up. Not sure how you guys don't think they got better. Yeah, they lost Lin... but what else? Shump will be back late December. Sure they got older but they added some great veteran pieces. If they can stay healthy, and that's a big if, they will be top 4 easy.

KingsOfQueens
08-20-2012, 08:31 PM
1. Miami (66-16)
2. Boston (52-30)
3. New York (51-31)
4. Philly (50-32)
5. Chicago (49-33)
6. Indiana (49-33)
7. Brooklyn (46-36)
8. Atlanta (41-41)

More-Than-Most
08-20-2012, 08:35 PM
Didn't they predict the Knicks there last year? Tell me again, where did the Knicks finish?

Why are so many overrating the Knicks? They are a playoff team, but they will be hard pressed to win 50 games. I agree more or less, though I do think the Bulls slip even further unless Rose contributes late.

completely agree but the nets are being overrated as well... The sixers a tiny bit to be honest to but the nets/knicks are by a ton

KingsOfQueens
08-20-2012, 08:43 PM
completely agree but the nets are being overrated as well... The sixers a tiny bit to be honest to but the nets/knicks are by a ton

I think its shortsighted to call any team over or underrated aside from Miami. After Miami, NOTHING is set in stone. I had a hard time penciling in Boston in the 2 spot because honestly I don't think they're all that good but Doc Rivers is the best coach in the NBA and he always finds some way to win. Everyone likes to call the Knicks old yet their age is mostly from veterans who will not play major minutes anyway, meanwhile Pierce and Garnett are logging the most minutes for Boston and no one wants to call them old. Anyway, 2-8 can really go in any direction.

flatbush knicks
08-20-2012, 08:46 PM
knicks at 7:facepalm: people don't realize we finished the season 18 6 last year under woody with no training camp it's more like this

miami
knicks/indy
indy/knicks
philly
boston
brooklyn
atlanta
cavs/wizards/bulls

the 8th spot is wide open in the east so is 4-6 but the knicks will definetly be a top 3 this year under woody with a full training camp and a motivated stat and felton

Captain Moroni
08-20-2012, 08:48 PM
These are the ESPN predictions

Miami 62-20
Boston 52-30
Indy 52-30
Bulls 46-36
Nets 46-36
76ers 46-36
knicks 45-37
hawks 40-42

I think they are way off on the Knicks and some others. I see knicks being anywhere from 3rd to 5th most likely the 4th seed. also, the hawks at 8th? no.

That is the first semi nice thing you have ever posted about new York Knicks.

Captain Moroni
08-20-2012, 08:52 PM
Gonna be lots of surprises this year

VinceCarter
08-20-2012, 09:03 PM
Nets are getting respect! :)

Hopefully they can live up to these predictions or even surpass them...

justinnum1
08-20-2012, 09:08 PM
nets getting a lot of respect. Dwill is a stud and now that he has some talent around him it should be interesting.

ROY 2 MVP Braun
08-20-2012, 09:36 PM
knicks at 7:facepalm: people don't realize we finished the season 18 6 last year under woody with no training camp it's more like this

miami
knicks/indy
indy/knicks
philly
boston
brooklyn
atlanta
cavs/wizards/bulls

the 8th spot is wide open in the east so is 4-6 but the knicks will definetly be a top 3 this year under woody with a full training camp and a motivated stat and felton

the bucks were 17-13 after trading for ellis and that was with a PF playing C....and no good defense from our bigs, i think they really have a great shot at improving giving ellis and jennings time to jel along with the add'd size i honestly think they will be better than the hawks....

the cavs and wizards really could surprise depending on beal and their added players/waiters/zeller

flatbush knicks
08-20-2012, 09:53 PM
the bucks were 17-13 after trading for ellis and that was with a PF playing C....and no good defense from our bigs, i think they really have a great shot at improving giving ellis and jennings time to jel along with the add'd size i honestly think they will be better than the hawks....

the cavs and wizards really could surprise depending on beal and their added players/waiters/zeller

your right i forgot about the bucks you could also throw them in their anywhere from 7th to 8th

knicks=love
08-20-2012, 10:17 PM
i'm starting to dislike espn more and more everyday (thank you tim tebow :facepalm:) and this just adds to it. knicks don't get credit anywhere.

2-ONE-5
08-20-2012, 10:26 PM
they dont deserve credit. what have they done in the last 10 years to warrant any credit?

flatbush knicks
08-20-2012, 10:31 PM
they dont deserve credit. what have they done in the last 10 years to warrant any credit?

:facepalm: and what have the nets and philly done to get thers:facepalm:

WhiteSoxGod
08-20-2012, 10:45 PM
These are the ESPN predictions

Miami 62-20
Boston 52-30
Indy 52-30
Bulls 46-36
Nets 46-36
76ers 46-36
knicks 45-37
hawks 40-42

I think they are way off on the Knicks and some others. I see knicks being anywhere from 3rd to 5th most likely the 4th seed. also, the hawks at 8th? no.

And people laughed at me when I said the Knicks would be 6-8, most likely 8th. At least ESPN agrees with me.

2-ONE-5
08-20-2012, 10:54 PM
:facepalm: and what have the nets and philly done to get thers:facepalm:

neither are getting any kinda of undeserved credit. u didnt answer my question, what have the Knicks done to warrant any credit to be recognized as a top team?

flatbush knicks
08-20-2012, 10:58 PM
neither are getting any kinda of undeserved credit. u didnt answer my question, what have the Knicks done to warrant any credit to be recognized as a top team?

awnser my question and you'll awnser your own or just shut up:facepalm:

flatbush knicks
08-20-2012, 10:59 PM
And people laughed at me when I said the Knicks would be 6-8, most likely 8th. At least ESPN agrees with me.

YEA THE ROCKETS ARE A TOP 3 SEED OUT WEST LETS GO LIN!!!!!:facepalm:

DoMeFavors
08-20-2012, 11:05 PM
Adding Camby and Jason Kidd who are both 40 and will have little to no impact and might actually make them worse, doesnt do anything. They are former big names who are overated now because of their names. THey will be 7-8th seed book it. Amare is a role player at this point, Felton was probably one of the worst pgs in the NBA last year, Jr Smith couldnt hit the basket if it was an ocean and Chandler's "defense" is so overated and he doesnt score at all.

2-ONE-5
08-20-2012, 11:21 PM
awnser my question and you'll awnser your own or just shut up:facepalm:

i dont care about the nets so i wont comment on them. but the Sixers added Andrew Bynum, ya know the BEST center in the East.

ya know what ill answer yours for you too. the Knicks added 40 year olds Camby and Kidd along with some other medicore players.

quit being a homer son. Knicks have done nothing credit worthy:facepalm:

see i can facepalm too

flatbush knicks
08-21-2012, 12:14 AM
i dont care about the nets so i wont comment on them. but the Sixers added Andrew Bynum, ya know the BEST center in the East.

ya know what ill answer yours for you too. the Knicks added 40 year olds Camby and Kidd along with some other medicore players.

quit being a homer son. Knicks have done nothing credit worthy:facepalm:

see i can facepalm too

thank you for actually responding the sixers lost iggy ther best player and lou will ther leading scorer yea they got bynum but the knicks got ther first training camp coming up amare is actually healthy and o yea we got melo you know the best offensive player in the game not to mention our bench is better then yours chandler will shut down bynum i mean what else you want me to say i could go on for days and o yea we actually have a real coach now who finished off the season 18 6 while the sixers almost missed the playoffs with practically the same team coming back next year the sixers perimeter defense will suck next year which means lebron melo even granger will go off every time they play the sixers anything else bro:facepalm:

flatbush knicks
08-21-2012, 12:17 AM
Adding Camby and Jason Kidd who are both 40 and will have little to no impact and might actually make them worse, doesnt do anything. They are former big names who are overated now because of their names. THey will be 7-8th seed book it. Amare is a role player at this point, Felton was probably one of the worst pgs in the NBA last year, Jr Smith couldnt hit the basket if it was an ocean and Chandler's "defense" is so overated and he doesnt score at all.

nets atlantic division winners and joe johnson for mvp who needs a bench when we got dwill putting up 30 ppg and 20 apg and jj putting up 35ppg nets are going to win the title book it :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
just stop it:facepalm:

PacersForLife
08-21-2012, 12:28 AM
Very similar to how I predicted it.

MadBomber
08-21-2012, 12:28 AM
Because that stood out to me more so than any of the other predictions. 7th for them is pretty low imo.

Yes, I agree. I think they'll be higher than seven. They seem more like a 3-5 depending on how those stars play together. Hopefully they get their act together.

DenButsu
08-21-2012, 12:40 AM
/humblebrag/

So, uh, apparently I'm one of the "100 of ESPN's best basketball minds".... :whistle:

Losoway
08-21-2012, 01:11 AM
WORST RANKINGS EVER. WERE THEY DRUNK WHEN THEY DID THIS ???

THE BULLS WITH 46S WINS ??? LMAOOOOOOOOOO

seriously :facepalm: the bulls wont get over 30 wins mark it down

Losoway
08-21-2012, 01:12 AM
the knicks will have the second best record

PacersForLife
08-21-2012, 01:25 AM
WORST RANKINGS EVER. WERE THEY DRUNK WHEN THEY DID THIS ???

THE BULLS WITH 46S WINS ??? LMAOOOOOOOOOO

seriously :facepalm: the bulls wont get over 30 wins mark it down

I wouldn't underestimate Tom Thibodeau.

Losoway
08-21-2012, 02:21 AM
TOM THIBODEAU AINT PLAYING HE IS COACHING. BUNCH OF SUB PAR TALENT

LUEL DANG THERE SECOND BEST PLAYER IS INJURED

the knicks will have the second best record. Then the Nets/pacers then the celtics behind the 2

DenButsu
08-21-2012, 02:28 AM
Tom Thibodeau aint playing he is coaching. Bunch of sub par talent

Luel Dang there second best player is injured

the knicks will have the second best record. Then the Nets/pacers then the celtics behind the 2


No need to shout, we can hear you just fine. :cool:

Bravo95
08-21-2012, 02:30 AM
Not sure Boston cares enough about the regular season to go for the high seed.

They could finish 4th or 5th and still make the ECF again.

Bravo95
08-21-2012, 02:41 AM
East is still about defense, and if your team doesn't play any, they don't have much of a shot at the playoffs.

NBA-GMaster
08-21-2012, 05:37 AM
My top 8 in the EAST playoffs would be:

1.HEAT (no need to explain why they're are no.1)
2.Nets (With Dwill getting more help from JJ and a healthy Lopez)
3.Celtics (got better lineup than last year, a combination of veterans and youngsters)
4.Pacers (only team that gives Miami a threat to last year's East champs title but the new celtics got better bench)
5.Knicks (with Kidd and Camby, they could improve Knicks' team chemistry)
6.Bulls (A little downgrade in their bench compared from last year, and early absence of Rose and Deng (bcoz of injuries)
7.Sixers (Bynum, Holiday, Turner, Jrich, Young plus a pretty good backup players except PG)
8.Wizards or Raptors (these two are my dark horse in EAST)

c.c.
08-21-2012, 06:22 AM
I see the Bucks or Wizards going to the playoffs this year.

Venomous88
08-21-2012, 06:34 AM
1. Heat 65-17
2. Pacers 55-27
3. Knicks 53-29
4. Celtics 50-32
5. Nets 49-33
6. Bulls 47-35
7. Sixers 46-36
8. Wizards 42-40

thenaj17
08-21-2012, 07:30 AM
I think it's overly kind to the Pacers to be honest. Both Nets and Knicks are a better team.

Knicks now have Kidd to distribute and save the argument of who gets the ball. Anthony will be more efficient with better open looks and Stoudamire should show good improvement after Hakeem's tutelage. Camby and Brewer are decent additions aswell and will help with the defense so they should be better all round (still not elite)

Nets now have JJ so D Wills isn't doubled all the time and Lopez should be fit for the first time in a while. Having Crash as a 4th option should be good although he is the only good defender so that could be a problem.

BklynKnicks3
08-21-2012, 08:22 AM
i wish vegas had knicks at 7 id bet 10 grand. They have us over and under 50 wins which im betting a grand on. I am happy about being rated 7th espn is usually wrong.

2-ONE-5
08-21-2012, 08:41 AM
thank you for actually responding the sixers lost iggy ther best player and lou will ther leading scorer yea they got bynum but the knicks got ther first training camp coming up amare is actually healthy and o yea we got melo you know the best offensive player in the game not to mention our bench is better then yours chandler will shut down bynum i mean what else you want me to say i could go on for days and o yea we actually have a real coach now who finished off the season 18 6 while the sixers almost missed the playoffs with practically the same team coming back next year the sixers perimeter defense will suck next year which means lebron melo even granger will go off every time they play the sixers anything else bro:facepalm:

where to start, where to start.......

for starters NONE of that crap u said has anything to do with why the Knicks should be given credit, nowhere did I comapare the Knicks and Sixers. But since u did...

Please explain to me how the Sixers have practically the same team again? you do realize that Iggy, Lou WIll, Brand, Meeks, Vuc, are all gone and J-Rich, N Young, Wright, BYNUM, and Moultrie have came in. Yea practically the same team i guess you're right. Also the better bench still belons to the Sixers, its not even really that close rather you wanna admit it or not.

:facepalm:i can still facepalm too but it doesnt stop me from having a knowledgeble debate

h2r09
08-21-2012, 08:49 AM
I would bet the house on the knicks being a 5 seed or lower. nothing on that team fits and they had a terrible offseason.

BklynKnicks3
08-21-2012, 09:18 AM
I would bet the house on the knicks being a 5 seed or lower. nothing on that team fits and they had a terrible offseason.

ill take that bet lets arrange it dont want ur house lets bet a grand?

2-ONE-5
08-21-2012, 09:32 AM
lol homer bets are the dumbest bets you can make.

koreancabbage
08-21-2012, 09:45 AM
i wish vegas had knicks at 7 id bet 10 grand. They have us over and under 50 wins which im betting a grand on. I am happy about being rated 7th espn is usually wrong.

well they ranked the Knicks 4th last year.

#Shumpert Up
08-21-2012, 11:57 AM
I am interested to see how Felton bounces back, now that he is back in NY and probably has the starting gig. I still think they will continue to have injury concerns, and I have nearly lost faith in Melo being the best player on a team that can win a playoff series at this point. Amare needs a huge bounceback as well, he was awful last year in all reality. I hate JR Smith, I think he is a loser, and your bench is old enough to sweat dust. I just don't see a good run unless the health fairy sprinkles magic dust on Amare's knee, Melo's vag, and Chandler's entire body.

There is so much hate in this post it's unbelievable first of all none of melo/amare/tyson have injury problems in recent years

tyson only missed FOUR games last year he played through his wrist injury only resting a couple random days off. Melo's injuries last year were all freak accidents . (i.e rolling his ankle on marc gasol and pulling his groin). amare missed time because of his brothers death and his back. his back injury was nagging but it had NOTHING to do with his knees. he hasnt had a problem with his knees in years. you clearly just want to talk down the team. the one thing i do agree with is JR smith. hes a punk :mad:

flatbush knicks
08-21-2012, 12:03 PM
where to start, where to start.......

for starters NONE of that crap u said has anything to do with why the Knicks should be given credit, nowhere did I comapare the Knicks and Sixers. But since u did...

Please explain to me how the Sixers have practically the same team again? you do realize that Iggy, Lou WIll, Brand, Meeks, Vuc, are all gone and J-Rich, N Young, Wright, BYNUM, and Moultrie have came in. Yea practically the same team i guess you're right. Also the better bench still belons to the Sixers, its not even really that close rather you wanna admit it or not.

:facepalm:i can still facepalm too but it doesnt stop me from having a knowledgeble debate

your right ther bench just got worse and my debate was the knicks deserve more credit then the sixers and nets but your right on the aspect of compared to the heat and celts we don't deserve that much credit yet but we are going to earn it this year and the knicks bench is top 3 in the league if not number 1 and it's compare mr knowledgeable guy that can't spell big words lmao:laugh2:

rufo4100
08-21-2012, 12:08 PM
Miami 65-17
Boston 51-31
Indy 50-32
NY 48-34
Nets 47-35
Bulls 46-36
76ers 42-40
Milwaukee 41-41



ps....Orlando has the worst record in the East this year!

19-63

#Shumpert Up
08-21-2012, 12:09 PM
Adding Camby and Jason Kidd who are both 40 and will have little to no impact and might actually make them worse, doesnt do anything. They are former big names who are overated now because of their names. THey will be 7-8th seed book it. Amare is a role player at this point, Felton was probably one of the worst pgs in the NBA last year, Jr Smith couldnt hit the basket if it was an ocean and Chandler's "defense" is so overated and he doesnt score at all.

amare's worst year at 17 & 8 is a role player? those ere the same as bosh's numbers and this was his worst year. camby averaging 5 points 9 REBOUNDS and 1.4 blocks last year is not washed up whatsoever considering he's going to be a backup and a pretty damn good one at that. ronnie brewer to step in and essentially fill shumperts role until he's back and when shumperts back they have two elite wing defenders that could play together. jason kidd has obviously regressed but is still serviceable as is felton. they are miles better than bibby and douglas to start the season. if you think they are getting worse you are insane. i've been viewing the forum for a while and you say the damn stupidest things im sorry but come on what the hell you smokin man :facepalm:

nycericanguy
08-21-2012, 12:15 PM
Simply refuting what you said. Many, including me, picked the Knicks to finish 7th last season. We were right....

The Knicks have 3 players who are injured every year with various whatevers. Its not the big of a stretch to predict more missed time amongst them. Furthermore, what have they done to get better? They got older, for sure.

I don't think the Knicks have any shot at winning 50 games, unless Melo/Amare/Chandler for the first time in a few seasons miss zero time, and they have zip injury concerns.

Give me a break, you're telling me a team that added Kidd, Camby, Brewer, Felton, Thomas & Pablo doesn't stand a chance to win a few more games than last year? Last years winning percentage projects to 45-46 wins over 82 games. Is it really unfathomable that they will improve some given the new additions and that they will finally have a training camp.

Every team will have injuries, just like NY did last year. But they are a legit 10 deep this year.

Last year they started the season literally 5-6 deep. People look at the roster they FINISHED with, but the roster they STARTED last year with was pretty pathetic. No Lin, no JR, no Novak, no Davis, and Shump went down after 1 game.

Lastly this idea that NY is so "old and injury prone" is overblown. Yes they added Kidd & Camby who are old. But most of the team, and the core is under 30.

Melo - 28
Amare - 29
CHandler - 29
Brewer - 27
Shump - 22
Novak -29
JR - 26
Felton - 28

thats 8 of their 10 rotation players all under 30. Kidd & Camby for 15-25mpg should be fine, and NY is deep enough to absorb an injury or two. Not to mention Melo will see more time at the 4 this year so a backup center is not a huge need.

#Shumpert Up
08-21-2012, 12:16 PM
where to start, where to start.......

for starters NONE of that crap u said has anything to do with why the Knicks should be given credit, nowhere did I comapare the Knicks and Sixers. But since u did...

Please explain to me how the Sixers have practically the same team again? you do realize that Iggy, Lou WIll, Brand, Meeks, Vuc, are all gone and J-Rich, N Young, Wright, BYNUM, and Moultrie have came in. Yea practically the same team i guess you're right. Also the better bench still belons to the Sixers, its not even really that close rather you wanna admit it or not.

:facepalm:i can still facepalm too but it doesnt stop me from having a knowledgeble debate
honestly dorell wright was god awful last year, you better pray he has a good season because bynum may cover for Lou Will's numbers offensively he will not be able to replace the defense iggy brought. richardson and young will probably be able to cover scoring that they lost but again. the sixers became a better offesive team but a MUCH worse defensive team. i dont know much about lavoy allen or moultrie so i can't comment on them

BklynKnicks3
08-21-2012, 12:39 PM
well they ranked the Knicks 4th last year.

u see they always wrong lol

DoMeFavors
08-21-2012, 12:56 PM
Yeah Knicks GM is really bad, he just put a bunch of talent together and thought they would mesh but they dont fit together at all its funny, none of the players fit together.

BklynKnicks3
08-21-2012, 12:57 PM
Yeah Knicks GM is really bad, he just put a bunch of talent together and thought they would mesh but they dont fit together at all its funny, none of the players fit together.

only 2 players dont fit with each other tyson n stat u really dont know basketball

Stinkyoutsider
08-21-2012, 12:59 PM
The list looks good...

I think the Bulls will be ok where they are? Without Rose, I think more players will get involved in creating shots and the record may reflect that. I think the Bulls will play great D and limit their opponents in transition so scores will be low, which will be a benefit to the Bulls not having Rose.

The Pacers are going to be dangerous next year. Another season with the changes they've made this year and locking up Hibbert in the middle. I want to see if Paul George can improve again this year.

I honestly can say that the Knicks have the talent to finish higher but it's always been can the Knicks play together and be consistent. I would like to see Melo and Amare run the pick and role with Melo as the ball handler and Amare as the screener. Put a few shooters out there with them and the Knicks will only have to worry about the D most nights. Both Melo and Amare are finishers and if Melo learns how to get Amare more involved, they'll be a better team. Or, just put Jason Kidd in and let him run the team and be the primary distributor of the ball.

DoMeFavors
08-21-2012, 01:04 PM
only 2 players dont fit with each other tyson n stat u really dont know basketball

Melo and Stat dont fit together its pretty obvious I never see them setting each other up or working on a pick n roll together.

Chandler and Stat to close to the rim both of them on offense. Doesnt give Amare room.

Raymond Felton and Melo both need the ball and Felton sets up big men and usually is a shoot first pg.

oak2455
08-21-2012, 01:23 PM
This thread just went south

oak2455
08-21-2012, 01:25 PM
only 2 players dont fit with each other tyson n stat u really dont know basketball

Yes he does he has Joe Blows in his sig:clap: they signed you know who to a Max deal ..... The best center in the NBA .... Brooks Lopez!!!!

2-ONE-5
08-21-2012, 02:27 PM
your right ther bench just got worse and my debate was the knicks deserve more credit then the sixers and nets but your right on the aspect of compared to the heat and celts we don't deserve that much credit yet but we are going to earn it this year and the knicks bench is top 3 in the league if not number 1 and it's compare mr knowledgeable guy that can't spell big words lmao:laugh2:

how did the bench get worse? Lou Will might of led the team in scoring but Turner will take those touches (along with more minutes) and run with it. Nick Young can easily replace Lous scoring anyway. We were KILLED on the offensive glass last year, that issue is gone now with Bynum here (and Kwame Brown to a lesser extent). We lacked outside shooting last year badly, that issue is gone now with additions of Wright (who will bounce back), JRich and N. Young. Iggys D was second to none and will be missed but Turner is no slouch on D himself, hes not Iggy but hes tough.

The Knicks bench is not top 3 in the league stop overrating them.
:laugh2: see i can laugh too.

To end with the point of this now worthless debate is that the Knicks have literally done nothing to warrant any type of credit to be recognized as a top 3 team. NOTHING. there is no arguing that, none.

DoMeFavors
08-21-2012, 02:49 PM
Yes he does he has Joe Blows in his sig:clap: they signed you know who to a Max deal ..... The best center in the NBA .... Brooks Lopez!!!!

Kanyes Line says it all and its true now Nets are the talk :cool:

Its crazy how you can go from Joe Blow to everybody on your....

Rockice_8
08-21-2012, 02:53 PM
how did the bench get worse? Lou Will might of led the team in scoring but Turner will take those touches (along with more minutes) and run with it. Nick Young can easily replace Lous scoring anyway. We were KILLED on the offensive glass last year, that issue is gone now with Bynum here (and Kwame Brown to a lesser extent). We lacked outside shooting last year badly, that issue is gone now with additions of Wright (who will bounce back), JRich and N. Young. Iggys D was second to none and will be missed but Turner is no slouch on D himself, hes not Iggy but hes tough.

The Knicks bench is not top 3 in the league stop overrating them.
:laugh2: see i can laugh too.

To end with the point of this now worthless debate is that the Knicks have literally done nothing to warrant any type of credit to be recognized as a top 3 team. NOTHING. there is no arguing that, none.

There's no argument to that. In a slight defense to him though their are a bunch of teams after MIA who have alot to prove. IND, BK, PHI, NY, CHI and even BOS to an extent (but the least out of the ones previously mentioned).

Knicks have a solid bench and that might be their strength except stars carry teams and the Knicks so called stars (Melo/Amare) have yet to prove they can work together and until they do the Knicks are a first round exit at best. All the other teams at least appear to fit together with good balance unlike NY.

Knicks fans have to realize that until they win even a playoff series nobody is picking them to do great things (and you can't fault people for hating on them). BK and Philly are getting more hype cause they are more unknown.

speakerboxx
08-21-2012, 02:54 PM
how did the bench get worse? Lou Will might of led the team in scoring but Turner will take those touches (along with more minutes) and run with it. Nick Young can easily replace Lous scoring anyway. We were KILLED on the offensive glass last year, that issue is gone now with Bynum here (and Kwame Brown to a lesser extent). We lacked outside shooting last year badly, that issue is gone now with additions of Wright (who will bounce back), JRich and N. Young. Iggys D was second to none and will be missed but Turner is no slouch on D himself, hes not Iggy but hes tough.

The Knicks bench is not top 3 in the league stop overrating them.
:laugh2: see i can laugh too.

To end with the point of this now worthless debate is that the Knicks have literally done nothing to warrant any type of credit to be recognized as a top 3 team. NOTHING. there is no arguing that, none.

@2-ONE-5

Don't even sweat it...we who follow the Sixers know how much better this team has gotten, we know that this team way overachieve last year if you factor in their lack of size and outsize shooting, no true goto guy and the fact that they were depending on kids 22 and 23 to play big roles on the team... we know that Lou Williams while a great scorer off the bench was also streaky and didn't really play all that well in the playoffs yet we stood 1 game away from playing in the eastern conference final...

We also know that this team has address all of the weaknesses they had last year, offense and defensive rebounds, legitimate outside shooting and a dominant big man in the middle to go along with improving and pretty talent young guys like turner and Jrue...we also know that regardless of the moves they've made they're still one of the youngest teams in the league with their best players being 25 Bynum, 24 Turner and 22 Holiday... We also know that despite the fact that we lost lou williams out best scorer off the bench, the bench actually got deeper with Wright and Young as wing scorers to replace Lou and Kwame 7' and Moultire 6'11 to add MUCH needed size to our second unit...

We know this so there's no reason to argue with what people preceive as the EAST rankings, lets let the chips fall where they may and enjoy the Sixers rise then we'll revisit this ranking in the future...

2-ONE-5
08-21-2012, 03:11 PM
not sweatin him at all, its keepin me occupied at work and provinding a few good laughs.

kingkenny01
08-21-2012, 03:11 PM
no respect for the bucks at all when they added a solid players like dalembert and henson to their biggest weakness plus jennings contract year

pebloemer
08-21-2012, 03:25 PM
West Predictions are up:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8273800/2012-nba-summer-forecast-west-standings

OKC
08-21-2012, 03:30 PM
utah are a little overrated.
they have a very good front court but the back court is mediocre minus
and they dont have a go to guy.
i like the timberwolves,the warriors and the blazers more.

Evolution23
08-21-2012, 03:38 PM
Simply refuting what you said. Many, including me, picked the Knicks to finish 7th last season. We were right....

The Knicks have 3 players who are injured every year with various whatevers. Its not the big of a stretch to predict more missed time amongst them. Furthermore, what have they done to get better? They got older, for sure.

I don't think the Knicks have any shot at winning 50 games, unless Melo/Amare/Chandler for the first time in a few seasons miss zero time, and they have zip injury concerns.

Who are these 3 players you are referring to? 1. Amare and?

pebloemer
08-21-2012, 03:55 PM
utah are a little overrated.
they have a very good front court but the back court is mediocre minus
and they dont have a go to guy.
i like the timberwolves,the warriors and the blazers more.

I do like Minnesota and Golden State on paper over Utah as well, but considering where Utah finished last season, it isn't surprising to see them predicted as the 8th seed.

OKC
08-21-2012, 04:14 PM
I do like Minnesota and Golden State on paper over Utah as well, but considering where Utah finished last season, it isn't surprising to see them predicted as the 8th seed.

but both minesota and golden state improved a lot.
minny got rubio back+roy,ak47 and budinger.
warriors got harrison barnes, jarrett jack and landry and they also had injuries last year.
utah are pretty much the same team.
even the suns could get the 8th seed, the west is so deep.

KingsOfQueens
08-21-2012, 04:50 PM
1. Heat 65-17
2. Pacers 55-27
3. Knicks 53-29
4. Celtics 50-32
5. Nets 49-33
6. Bulls 47-35
7. Sixers 46-36
8. Wizards 42-40

Switch Boston and Indiana and this seems very plausible.

KingsOfQueens
08-21-2012, 04:52 PM
Kanyes Line says it all and its true now Nets are the talk :cool:

Its crazy how you can go from Joe Blow to everybody on your....

More like Cassidy..

"Yeah I'm up in the game, I'm like a vet
You ballin' but you ain't really doing ****, you're like the Nets"

Fireworld
08-21-2012, 05:02 PM
No way Atlanta makes the playoffs.

flatbush knicks
08-21-2012, 05:05 PM
More like Cassidy..

"Yeah I'm up in the game, I'm like a vet
You ballin' but you ain't really doing ****, you're like the Nets"

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

flatbush knicks
08-21-2012, 05:14 PM
how did the bench get worse? Lou Will might of led the team in scoring but Turner will take those touches (along with more minutes) and run with it. Nick Young can easily replace Lous scoring anyway. We were KILLED on the offensive glass last year, that issue is gone now with Bynum here (and Kwame Brown to a lesser extent). We lacked outside shooting last year badly, that issue is gone now with additions of Wright (who will bounce back), JRich and N. Young. Iggys D was second to none and will be missed but Turner is no slouch on D himself, hes not Iggy but hes tough.

The Knicks bench is not top 3 in the league stop overrating them.
:laugh2: see i can laugh too.

To end with the point of this now worthless debate is that the Knicks have literally done nothing to warrant any type of credit to be recognized as a top 3 team. NOTHING. there is no arguing that, none.

whose ther starting sg or sf nobody knows if turner will take that next step bynum is injury prone and how do you know wright will have a come back year i like the future for the sixers but this year i don't think ther going anywhere but hey they could surprise me i'm done with this debate i just can't for the knicks to shut all you haters up

WAYNEBO
08-21-2012, 07:28 PM
Yeah Knicks GM is really bad, he just put a bunch of talent together and thought they would mesh but they dont fit together at all its funny, none of the players fit together.

This F'ing idiot continues to bash the bigger kid in the sandbox. What an inferiority complex.

Enjoy your stellar backcourt... we may not have as great of a 1 and 2, but we will shut you down with our top 5 D. Something only Crash can lay claim to.... You really have uneven parts -- combine Hump and Lopez the Clown and you have a complete big man. Oh, and good luck with a full game with your starters playing 85% of the time. You have the Bench Mop to be proud of. At least we can trot out a future JKidd HOFer, Argentina's starting Olympic PG, a 9 boards/game legit 7ft CambyMan, the best 3pt shooter in the game and 2 lockdown perimeter players.

Admit it, you wish you had the NYK depth... you don't so continue to talk like a muppet -- we'll see who is the King of NY. Oh, and for the record, I actually pull for the Nets now that they are in BKN.