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Longhornfan1234
08-17-2012, 09:32 PM
Westbrook slightly...IMO


Discuss.

Jarvo
08-17-2012, 09:36 PM
Rose > Westbrook

Westbrook needs to stop making bone head mistakes and mature more and one thing with him when he's cold he is ice ****ing cold.

3ddiiee
08-17-2012, 09:38 PM
ROSE all the way

Gators123
08-17-2012, 09:38 PM
Westbrook.

Mave1002
08-17-2012, 09:42 PM
This wouldnt even be made if the ACL didnt happen. He looked like the best in the world before it happened.

Ezio
08-17-2012, 09:42 PM
Ask Love :shrug:

oballerc75
08-17-2012, 09:46 PM
Rose, because he can jump of 2 feet and 1 equally as well, while westbrook is strictly a 2 foot jumper, plus Rose jumps better in the lane with contact

xxplayerxx23
08-17-2012, 09:46 PM
Give me a Healthy Rose.

PleaseBeNice
08-17-2012, 09:48 PM
blussel blestblook

lavilevi23
08-17-2012, 09:49 PM
Rose is a better finisher

D12 fan
08-17-2012, 10:02 PM
Westbrook is more explosive,but Rose is not too far behind.

PhillyFaninLA
08-17-2012, 10:02 PM
Rose is by far more explosive...Westbrook is really good but he's not as explosive

Lake_Show2416
08-17-2012, 10:02 PM
its Westbrook, he always the air for the dunk, Rose is more conservative & kills you with a crazy lay up more times then not

Swashcuff
08-17-2012, 10:04 PM
Honestly the only way to accurately answer this question may be by the use of ESPN sports science. The eye test tells me Westbrook but many other people eyes tell them Rose, really doesn't make anyone right or wrong in all honesty.

BHF
08-17-2012, 10:09 PM
Westbrook

PleaseBeNice
08-17-2012, 10:15 PM
Blussellll blesstoo

b@llhog24
08-17-2012, 10:16 PM
Westy.

BcEuAbRsS
08-17-2012, 10:29 PM
Rose looks smoother, but Westy may be more athletic. Who knows, they're are both badass m.f.ers though...

tredigs
08-17-2012, 10:33 PM
Explosive? Westbrook's the most explosive player in the NBA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7h00yyD3AQ

Rose was an absolute beast, but Westbrook still had him.

JJ_JKidd
08-17-2012, 10:46 PM
Rose. He blew his knee right? Thats what you call,, EX-PLOSION!:facepalm:

mdm692
08-17-2012, 10:53 PM
Explosiveness is more than just dunking which is all Westbrook can do IMO. If you clog the lane westbrook starts shooting jumpshots. If you clog the lane with Rose he can still explode to the rim. Just because he isn't dunking when he gets 2 points does not make Rose less explosive. Rose will get to the paint and either posterize you(i.e. Joel Anthony) or make some crazy *** lay up while he levitates and looks for the contact.

ROY 2 MVP Braun
08-17-2012, 11:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFmFB0BCwPQ&feature=fvst
rose if healthy i could not believe that dunk

Losoway
08-17-2012, 11:11 PM
ROSE IS WAY BETTER THEN WESTBROOK

smh i dear someone to try me

looka09
08-17-2012, 11:12 PM
Westbrook.

DeyAce
08-17-2012, 11:18 PM
Rose > Westbrook

Westbrook needs to stop making bone head mistakes and mature more and one thing with him when he's cold he is ice ****ing cold.

This

seikou8
08-17-2012, 11:23 PM
This
it is not who is better player which is we both who it is. the thread is about who is more explosive and the answer is westbrook

DListheTRUTH
08-17-2012, 11:26 PM
Rose. Rose has small hands and can't palm the ball which limits him in terms of exploding and dunking on someone so Russ will always look flashier in the air dunking because he can palm it. But in terms of pure explosion, there's no better combination of power, quickness and speed than Rose when healthy.

D12 fan
08-17-2012, 11:27 PM
ROSE IS WAY BETTER THEN WESTBROOK

smh i dear someone to try me

dare.:facepalm:

LAKobeBryant
08-17-2012, 11:32 PM
u really never see westbrook use his athleticism to get to the hoop like rose do and make crazy double pump layups. westbrook just has more explosive dunking the ball and taking off from far.

i would say rose is more

CTCUBBIES
08-17-2012, 11:33 PM
Don't really have an opinion as to the question but I did find some numbers that might help the discussion. Keep in mind these were from the draft combines so I'm not sure how much can change over the course of a few years:

Derrick Rose-
Vertical: 34.5” & 40” (no step & max)
Bench Press: 10
Lane Agility: 11.69
3/4 Court Sprint: 3.05

Russell Westbrook-
Vertical: 30” & 36.5” (no step & max)
Bench Press: 12
Lane Agility: 10.98
3/4 Court Sprint: 3.08

seikou8
08-17-2012, 11:37 PM
u really never see westbrook use his athleticism to get to the hoop like rose do and make crazy double pump layups. westbrook just has more explosive dunking the ball and taking off from far.

i would say rose is more


rose and westbrook are the same only difference westbrook chucks up sometimes and it hurts his efficiency and i think westbrook has higher upside when both are healthy.

Dade County
08-17-2012, 11:46 PM
wild wild west on the fast brake

rose is better driving in the lane

Rose is the better player

mrblisterdundee
08-17-2012, 11:50 PM
Rose > Westbrook

Westbrook needs to stop making bone head mistakes and mature more and one thing with him when he's cold he is ice ****ing cold.

It's not about who's better. It's about who's more explosive.

ThunderousDemon
08-17-2012, 11:57 PM
ROSE IS WAY BETTER THEN WESTBROOK

smh i dear someone to try me

lol, I dear you then.

D12 fan
08-18-2012, 12:02 AM
^Im out my stalker has arrived.

Check my user title.

nicegoing
08-18-2012, 12:10 AM
Westbrook

sfattahian
08-18-2012, 12:11 AM
great question, but Westbrook by quite a bit.

Westbrook is the most explosive player ever, literally.

TheRunKiller
08-18-2012, 12:28 AM
a healthy rose by far. westbrook just shows off his hops more if rose wanted to he could do what westbrook does but better

TheRunKiller
08-18-2012, 12:29 AM
****ing derrick rose at 80% > a healthy westbrook

seikou8
08-18-2012, 12:31 AM
****ing derrick rose at 80% > a healthy westbrook

:rolleyes::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: please stop overrating derrick rose

DeyAce
08-18-2012, 01:05 AM
Its hard to overrate a mvp

LJEATON26
08-18-2012, 10:14 AM
NBA commentators and players (including D Wade) say that Westbrook is the most athletic player in the NBA, so I'll side with them.

SteBO
08-18-2012, 10:35 AM
I'll take Rose. Besides, explosiveness means nothing if you're out of control and cant finish around the basket consistently.

absolute zero
08-18-2012, 10:40 AM
A healthy Rose, but I think his ACL injury might affect his explosiveness down the road.

Heediot
08-18-2012, 10:45 AM
More athleticism = Westbrook

More strength = Rose

Hustlenomics
08-18-2012, 11:05 AM
Rose

BobbyHillSwag
08-18-2012, 11:07 AM
rose seems more herky jerky than westbrook. definitely off the dribble.

tredigs
08-18-2012, 11:25 AM
I'll take Rose. Besides, explosiveness means nothing if you're out of control and cant finish around the basket consistently.

Really? Let me take the time to prove you wrong here.

Westbrook has been better at finishing around the rim than Rose (and better than Rose has ever been finishing around the rim) for 2 years now. This is fact. He was also better from 10-15, 16-23 and 3pt. Also a better rebounder, more than twice as good as D. Rose on the offensive glass. Coincidentally Rose seems to me made of glass, where as Westbrook is the most iron-man player in the league. Hasn't missed a basketball game at any level for over half a decade.

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Derrick%20Rose
http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Russell%20Westbrook



Westbrook has always been more explosive than Rose, but post ACL injury this should not be thread worthy - it really won't be the same tier.

Rose: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVuNYg5DdwU

Westbrook: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh1rVTGZyFI

Similar situation, but highlights who's more explosive. Rose goes for the glide/smooth-power dunk off 1 foot; Westbrook just plants off two and looks like he's going to rip off the rim.

SteBO
08-18-2012, 12:47 PM
Really? Let me take the time to prove you wrong here.

Westbrook has been better at finishing around the rim than Rose (and better than Rose has ever been finishing around the rim) for 2 years now. This is fact. He was also better from 10-15, 16-23 and 3pt. Also a better rebounder, more than twice as good as D. Rose on the offensive glass. Coincidentally Rose seems to me made of glass, where as Westbrook is the most iron-man player in the league. Hasn't missed a basketball game at any level for over half a decade.

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Derrick%20Rose
http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Russell%20Westbrook



Westbrook has always been more explosive than Rose, but post ACL injury this should not be thread worthy - it really won't be the same tier.

Rose: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVuNYg5DdwU

Westbrook: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh1rVTGZyFI

Similar situation, but highlights who's more explosive. Rose goes for the glide/smooth-power dunk off 1 foot; Westbrook just plants off two and looks like he's going to rip off the rim.
I'm not a fan of youtube clips to support an argument, but those stats are interesting. I'm just using the eye test in this instance.

All I've seen up to this point is a guy who attacks with reckless abandon and has no control. But that's simply his game, and the Thunder have won a majority of their games with him playing that way. Not knocking him at all, but taking this out of a "team" concept, and comparing it individually to Rose side by side, it's always looked Rose has had more control than Westy ever has to this point. No lie tre', I'm sorta amazed by those stats. I'll still take a healthy Rose though.

aztr0
08-18-2012, 01:12 PM
Rose.

tredigs
08-18-2012, 01:19 PM
I'm not a fan of youtube clips to support an argument, but those stats are interesting. I'm just using the eye test in this instance.

All I've seen up to this point is a guy who attacks with reckless abandon and has no control. But that's simply his game, and the Thunder have won a majority of their games with him playing that way. Not knocking him at all, but taking this out of a "team" concept, and comparing it individually to Rose side by side, it's always looked Rose has had more control than Westy ever has to this point. No lie tre', I'm sorta amazed by those stats. I'll still take a healthy Rose though.

Rose has always had more control around the rim, and his playmaking ability when he's slashing is better than Westbrook's (and when healthy he was still a slightly better overall player imo), but I do think Westbrook's been making serious strides to channel that energy over the past 2 seasons, and it is starting to show up in the stats like we're seeing there.

I'd probably still take a healthy Rose too. That being said, I'd take Westbrook.

[Agreed on the youtube clips; but it can help the eye test, and whatever -those beasts are fun to watch : ]

effen5
08-18-2012, 01:45 PM
I'll take Rose.

I don't know, he doesn't like to dunk as much, because he really isn't the flashy type of player like his personality but I know when he dunks, hes extremely explosive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNOig4NePS4&feature=related Drose goes way high to grab this dunk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dun2_1-D4Qk - Ridiculous dunk against Miami

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDdmE6WVZgc - Ridiculous one handed dunk against ATL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RfatfIsNVY&feature=related - Ridiculous dunk against NYC

Just because you can throw it down hard like Westbrook doesn't mean hes more explosive.

seikou8
08-18-2012, 03:20 PM
i'll take rose.

I don't know, he doesn't like to dunk as much, because he really isn't the flashy type of player like his personality but i know when he dunks, hes extremely explosive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnoig4neps4&feature=related drose goes way high to grab this dunk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dun2_1-d4qk - ridiculous dunk against miami

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qddme6wvzgc - ridiculous one handed dunk against atl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rfatfisnvy&feature=related - ridiculous dunk against nyc

just because you can throw it down hard like westbrook doesn't mean hes more explosive.

soooooooooooo westbrook has youtube dunks too

Raph12
08-18-2012, 03:25 PM
Westbrook

smith&wesson
08-18-2012, 03:30 PM
Rose

effen5
08-18-2012, 04:28 PM
soooooooooooo westbrook has youtube dunks too

So tredigs is allowed to post videos of westy but I can't of Rose?

RLundi
08-18-2012, 04:30 PM
Westbrook.

He's like a wired gazelle.

justinnum1
08-18-2012, 04:33 PM
Westbrook

yaswaggin
08-18-2012, 04:41 PM
Westbrook pretty easily, he explodes so fast to the rim I blink my eyes and he's running back on defense after making a layup.

And I'd take westbrook over rose anyday if i was starting a team.

Rose used to have a pretty good mid-range jumper, but he regressed his shooting.

Westbrook developed the deadliest pullup mid-range jumper in the nba, is more explosive, better defender, equal passing ability, slightly worse vision, and is a better rebounder.

Westbrook has only weakness: His 3 point shooting. Everything else about his game is as good or better then Rose minus his vision. Rose is also a pretty inconsistent 3 point shooter.

Give me westbrook 10/10 times, hes younger too and isn't coming off an acl injury.

His_Airness
08-18-2012, 04:41 PM
A better question is who would you rather build your franchise around?

Go Bulls

yaswaggin
08-18-2012, 04:42 PM
A better question is who would you rather build your franchise around?

Go Bulls

90% of gms would say westbrook.

RaiderKid318
08-18-2012, 04:46 PM
westbrook, but better player rose

Run&Gun
08-18-2012, 04:50 PM
I think Rose's first step, body control and prob. vert is better than westbrook. One of the reasons why Rose doesn't dunk that often is because of his smaller hands and inability to palm the ball. I think if it came to measurements Rose is more explosive, but I think he only uses all the time, he uses it sparingly and uses a lot of change of speed.

That being said, I think westbrook utilizes his athleticism much more effectively than Rose, because he uses it for rebounds, blocks, steals, tip dunks, and some of his dunks look straight out of a video game. It's more effort than anything Westbrook somehow uses 100% of his athleticism all the time.

His_Airness
08-18-2012, 04:54 PM
90% of gms would say westbrook.

I wonder what Derrick Rose's head to head stats look like against Westbrook, Paul, Williams, etc. I've watched many a game and it seems like he always outperforms them. Rose is in the same category as LeBron James and Kevin Durant, Westbrook is not.

DR_1
08-18-2012, 04:57 PM
Rose all day every day

yaswaggin
08-18-2012, 05:08 PM
I wonder what Derrick Rose's head to head stats look like against Westbrook, Paul, Williams, etc. I've watched many a game and it seems like he always outperforms them. Rose is in the same category as LeBron James and Kevin Durant, Westbrook is not.

rose had worse stats then westbrook last season fyi.

and head to head rose was injured when they played okc last year:

but in 2011:

oct 27:

rose: 12-31 (38.7), 28 points, 8 assists, 4 rebs, o steals

westbrook: 8-15 (53%), 25 points, 6 assists, 10 rebs, 2 steals

_________________________________________________

December 6th:

rose: 3-13 (23.1%), 11 points, 9 assists, 4 rebs, o steals

westbrook 7-18 (38%), 15 points, 7 assists, 5 rebs, 3 steals

Hawkeye15
08-18-2012, 05:41 PM
Honestly the only way to accurately answer this question may be by the use of ESPN sports science. The eye test tells me Westbrook but many other people eyes tell them Rose, really doesn't make anyone right or wrong in all honesty.

Pretty much. Westbrook looks a bit faster with the ball, and looks like he rises a bit higher on his jumper, but Rose has that change of pace that is so lightning quick, and his change of direction speed is ridiculous.

Can't go wrong with either here, both are amazingly fast and explosive. Their games depend on that speed to a large degree.

Hawkeye15
08-18-2012, 05:42 PM
90% of gms would say westbrook.

right now, when we factor in injury concerns? Yes, you are correct. 2 years ago? Not a chance. 2 years from now? We shall see..

DR_1
08-18-2012, 05:51 PM
90% of gms would say westbrook.

:laugh: Troll fail

ewmania
08-18-2012, 05:54 PM
healthy rose

bucketss
08-18-2012, 06:26 PM
I wonder what Derrick Rose's head to head stats look like against Westbrook, Paul, Williams, etc. I've watched many a game and it seems like he always outperforms them. Rose is in the same category as LeBron James and Kevin Durant, Westbrook is not.

westy vs rose: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=rosede01&p2=westbru01

deron vs rose: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=willide01&p2=rosede01

paul vs rose:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=paulch01&p2=rosede01

JNoel
08-18-2012, 06:29 PM
Everyone saying Westbrook, c'mon did you forget who Derrick Rose is? Westbrook just chucks shots and I've seen him miss too many easy shots at the rim. Derrick Rose all the way.

justinnum1
08-18-2012, 06:30 PM
Everyone saying Westbrook, c'mon did you forget who Derrick Rose is? Westbrook just chucks shots and I've seen him miss too many easy shots at the rim. Derrick Rose all the way.

The question is who is more explosive. I think westbrook is the best athlete in the NBA.

Vinny642
08-18-2012, 06:32 PM
Rose, I like Westbrook and everything but Rose is really that explosive, they aren't toooo far off, but Westbrook looks for the mid range jumper way tooo much

JNoel
08-18-2012, 06:35 PM
The question is who is more explosive. I think westbrook is the best athlete in the NBA.

Not Eddy Curry?

Rain City
08-18-2012, 06:35 PM
they are equally explosive and under control.... freakishly athletic.

justinnum1
08-18-2012, 06:37 PM
Not Eddy Curry?

He is a close 2nd.

Rndy
08-18-2012, 06:37 PM
Westbrook just goes for more flashy types of Dunks. Doesn't make him more explosive just makes him a show man nothing wrong with it though.

effen5
08-18-2012, 07:34 PM
westy vs rose: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=rosede01&p2=westbru01

deron vs rose: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=willide01&p2=rosede01

paul vs rose:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=paulch01&p2=rosede01

Nice...

At the end of the day, Rose went undefeated against Paul, 3-2 against D, and even with Westy.

Its about the wins baby.

Cal827
08-18-2012, 07:39 PM
Dwayne Rose.

dodie53
08-18-2012, 08:52 PM
D. Rose.
mvp.

smiddy012
08-18-2012, 09:02 PM
Honestly the only way to accurately answer this question may be by the use of ESPN sports science. The eye test tells me Westbrook but many other people eyes tell them Rose, really doesn't make anyone right or wrong in all honesty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERGhp0D-vac

Rose would break the world's record dribbling speed from court end to court end according to Sports Science.

/thread

waveycrockett
08-18-2012, 09:03 PM
Rose is definitely more explosive. Westbrook is a little bit bigger tho.

smiddy012
08-18-2012, 09:12 PM
90% of gms would say westbrook.

Wow you're a genius. Before Rose's ACL tear, 100% of GMs would say Rose. See how easy that was?

smiddy012
08-18-2012, 09:19 PM
Westbrook may look prettier on paper, but if you gave Rose the same situation Westbrook is in... ha, it would be little to no comparison. Rose can only pray to one day play with a Durant or even Harden caliber player. Rose's efficiency is effected by the fact that he is the only man who can carry the Bulls, and he doesn't give a **** about his stats, unlike WB.

WB is stronger than Rose, but Rose can get to the rim quicker.
Westbrook has more explosive dunks, but Rose is more explosive at getting to the rim.
I think those are two rather fair statements to make.

JordansBulls
08-18-2012, 10:34 PM
ROSE all the way

This

3ballbomber
08-19-2012, 05:50 AM
Chris Quinn