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D12 fan
08-17-2012, 06:24 PM
Can he become a top 3 center this year?

Lake_Show2416
08-17-2012, 06:25 PM
never

lakers4sho
08-17-2012, 06:26 PM
Howard
Bynum
M. Gasol

nope

AirJordanXVIII
08-17-2012, 06:26 PM
Can he? Yes. Likely? Hell no.

KnickaBocka.44
08-17-2012, 06:27 PM
Offensively, yes. All around, no.

justinnum1
08-17-2012, 06:28 PM
he will be top 10 again.

the year before last when he wasn't injured he ranked 7th in PER.

FarOutIos
08-17-2012, 06:36 PM
Cousins says no.

Aust
08-17-2012, 06:38 PM
He'll be in the mix with some of the other young talented upcoming centers

Sactown
08-17-2012, 06:38 PM
D12
Bynum
Cousins #1
Pek
M.Gasol
Marcin
McGee
Tim D
Al Jefferson
Noah
Hibbert
Tyson
Nene
Greg Monroe (PF?)

Are all currently better IMO

JOhnnyTHaJet
08-17-2012, 06:40 PM
With the cast around him he can jump into consideration of being a top 3-5 center, but he will have to prove that to the league.

He has all the potential in the world in my personal opinion, but I will need to see if he improves with the likes of JJ and Deron running the show (which he should).

JWO35
08-17-2012, 06:41 PM
Anybody can be a Top 3 Center before the season starts, Kwame Brown can :laugh2:
Just like Kwame it's very unlikely Lopez will be one...

EasternStar
08-17-2012, 06:43 PM
With the cast around him he can jump into consideration of being a top 3-5 center, but he will have to prove that to the league.

He has all the potential in the world in my personal opinion, but I will need to see if he improves with the likes of JJ and Deron running the show (which he should).

Top 10 now. Well wait and see how it all plays out.

SugeKnight
08-17-2012, 06:46 PM
There are a lot of centers who can claim being number 3. Gasol, Cousins, Bogut, Garnett, Hibbert

ecorrea
08-17-2012, 07:01 PM
hellll no. i think defense is way too important for the center position and brook has shown NO ability to play any.

FraziersKnicks
08-17-2012, 07:05 PM
Where's DoMeFavors? I think he'd probably argue for top 3 player in the league...

StarvingKnick22
08-17-2012, 07:06 PM
The Defensive Player of the Year begs to differ.

KniCks4LiFe
08-17-2012, 07:10 PM
He's top 10 in scoring maybe. All around no. Not w/ Bynum in the east. As for Tyson Chandler DPOY is nowhere near this convo.

PleaseBeNice
08-17-2012, 07:13 PM
Not a chance ever.

NYsFinest
08-17-2012, 07:20 PM
NOOOO he doesn't have a single characteristic that you want from a Center... I want my SF taking 20 foot jump shots, not my center. A good center needs to be a force in the paint.

I don't care if a center can score 20 points... if he doesn't do things that are expected from a center he is useless to my team. Guys like Howard, Bynum, Chandler, Bogut, Noah, Gasol, Pek etc etc anchor a defense, rebound and do the dirty work down low. Lopez is a soft finesse punk that plays like he is 6-5.

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Hawkeye15
08-17-2012, 07:23 PM
Offensively? For sure, without a doubt. Rebounding and defense? yeah, no chance.

Hawkeye15
08-17-2012, 07:23 PM
I predict a 18.5-7.5 season from Lopez. Top 7 center.

knicksfan42
08-17-2012, 07:25 PM
Can he become a top 3 center this year?

In his division? Maybe depending on whether KG plays center next year.

Bynum
KG
Chandler

All ahead of him

Chill_Will_24
08-17-2012, 07:28 PM
Short answer no

_KB24_
08-17-2012, 07:32 PM
D12, Bynum, Chandler, M. Gasol, Hibbert, Cousins are all undisputably better than him.

Guys like Noah, McGee, and Nene are in the mix with him but I'd still take those 3 over him. Simply his defense and rebounding are atrocious and its inexcusable frankly.

tapajafri
08-17-2012, 07:33 PM
I'll take Demarcus Cousins over Lopez, Marc Gasol, and Roy Hibbert.

DoMeFavors
08-17-2012, 07:33 PM
Yes he is, all people calling him soft and he cant rebound, there are a ton of centers that had poor rebounding years, even though Lopez plays next to a top rebounder in the league Kris Humphries which is ignored. Lopez avg nearly 9 a game in 2010 season. Anyone calling him soft is being racist, when have you watched Lopez play?

smith&wesson
08-17-2012, 07:36 PM
Howard
Bynum
Chandler (dpoy, & champion) thats why i put him high.
Gasol
Noah
Cousins
Horford
Hibbert
Al jeff
Nene
Monroe
Bogut
pekovic ( ya i said it, check his stats)
Varejao
Kaman
b.lopez.

didnt include duncan or ibaka because they are listed as forwards.

if lopez could average 4 more rebounds a game i would place him 7 or 8 spots higher.

Chill_Will_24
08-17-2012, 07:36 PM
Tyson Chandler is not up there. That DPOY award was gifted to him and he is a non factor offensively.

JOhnnyTHaJet
08-17-2012, 07:37 PM
Yes he is, all people calling him soft and he cant rebound, there are a ton of centers that had poor rebounding years, even though Lopez plays next to a top rebounder in the league Kris Humphries which is ignored. Lopez avg nearly 9 a game in 2010 season. Anyone calling him soft is being racist, when have you watched Lopez play?

Racist?

Mods, please, for the sake of us Nets fan just shun him already.

Chill_Will_24
08-17-2012, 07:37 PM
Howard
Bynum
Chandler (dpoy, & champion) thats why i put him high.
Gasol
Noah
Cousins
Horford
Hibbert
Al jeff
Nene
Monroe
Bogut
pekovic ( ya i said it, check his stats)
Varejao
Kaman
b.lopez.


if lopez could average 4 more rebounds a game i would place him 7 or 8 spots higher.

:laugh2:

DoMeFavors
08-17-2012, 07:38 PM
Howard
Bynum
Chandler (dpoy, & champion) thats why i put him high.
Gasol
Noah
Cousins
Horford
Hibbert
Al jeff
Nene
Monroe
Bogut
pekovic ( ya i said it, check his stats)
Varejao
Kaman
b.lopez.


if lopez could average 4 more rebounds a game i would place him 7 or 8 spots higher.

Yeah rebounding is the difference, check Marc Gasols rebounding numbers maybe you should lower him. Lopez is a top 3 center.

ecorrea
08-17-2012, 07:38 PM
just moved back home to chi.

watched every nets and knicks game last 3 years.

domefavors, lopez is soft as hell.

smith&wesson
08-17-2012, 07:40 PM
I predict a 18.5-7.5 season from Lopez. Top 7 center.

if he averages atleast 6+ rebounds, yes!

tnewkirk
08-17-2012, 07:40 PM
He's top 10 in scoring maybe. All around no. Not w/ Bynum in the east. As for Tyson Chandler DPOY is nowhere near this convo.

ah the ignorance of nba fans never fails, who is a better scoring center than brook?

DoMeFavors
08-17-2012, 07:40 PM
just moved back home to chi.

watched every nets and knicks game last 3 years.
domefavors, lopez is soft as hell.

I doubt it

JOhnnyTHaJet
08-17-2012, 07:40 PM
Howard
Bynum
Chandler (dpoy, & champion) thats why i put him high.
Gasol
Noah
Cousins
Horford
Hibbert
Al jeff
Nene
Monroe
Bogut
pekovic ( ya i said it, check his stats)
Varejao
Kaman
b.lopez.

didnt include duncan or ibaka because they are listed as forwards.

if lopez could average 4 more rebounds a game i would place him 7 or 8 spots higher.

I guess he'll have to go up 7 or 8 spots since he has 2 times in his career.

Stop looking up ESPN stats and actually watch the man play.

Hawkeye15
08-17-2012, 07:41 PM
Yes he is, all people calling him soft and he cant rebound, there are a ton of centers that had poor rebounding years, even though Lopez plays next to a top rebounder in the league Kris Humphries which is ignored. Lopez avg nearly 9 a game in 2010 season. Anyone calling him soft is being racist, when have you watched Lopez play?

There are centers who have poor rebounding years, and there are centers who simply are poor rebounders. Lopez is showing to be the latter. There is no way Lopez is a top 3 center. I think you need to watch the rest of the league play.

tnewkirk
08-17-2012, 07:42 PM
people that have noah and chandler over lopez are just embarrassing , this forum must have the dumbest ****en kids on psd.

Lake_Show2416
08-17-2012, 07:42 PM
Yeah rebounding is the difference, check Marc Gasols rebounding numbers maybe you should lower him. Lopez is a top 3 center.

He's not even top 3 in his division :laugh2:

Hawkeye15
08-17-2012, 07:43 PM
Howard
Bynum
Chandler (dpoy, & champion) thats why i put him high.
Gasol
Noah
Cousins
Horford
Hibbert
Al jeff
Nene
Monroe
Bogut
pekovic ( ya i said it, check his stats)
Varejao
Kaman
b.lopez.

didnt include duncan or ibaka because they are listed as forwards.

if lopez could average 4 more rebounds a game i would place him 7 or 8 spots higher.

absolutely no. Lopez is better easily than everyone I bolded. He also has a case over Nene if he can't get healthy and Pekovic if he doesn't continue where he left off when Adelman discovered that he was indeed better than Darko.

NYsFinest
08-17-2012, 07:43 PM
Tyson Chandler is not up there. That DPOY award was gifted to him and he is a non factor offensively.

Whether or not you feel he was gifted the DPOY... it is not even debatable that he was a top 3-4 defensive player ... Theres plenty of players in the NBA who can score, very few who can anchor a team the way Chandler does. That alone brings WAYYY more value than someone who can hit a 15-20 foot jumper.

DoMeFavors
08-17-2012, 07:44 PM
He's not even top 3 in his division :laugh2:

I dont compare Brook to people like Bargniani, KG and Chandler who Brook is 10x better than.

Hawkeye15
08-17-2012, 07:45 PM
if he averages atleast 6+ rebounds, yes!

he will. Mono ripped him a new one in year 2, his play away from the paint hurt as well, but his rookie year, he wasn't abysmal at rebounding, he was just slightly below average and grabbed 8 a night, he should return to that, with Evans/Hump taking a board away on average.

Hawkeye15
08-17-2012, 07:46 PM
I dont compare Brook to people like Bargniani, KG and Chandler who Brook is 10x better than.

hahahahhahahhahahahaha. That is epic

knicksfan42
08-17-2012, 07:46 PM
Howard
Bynum
Chandler (dpoy, & champion) thats why i put him high.
Gasol
Noah
Cousins
Horford
Hibbert
Al jeff
Nene
Monroe
Bogut
pekovic ( ya i said it, check his stats)
Varejao
Kaman
b.lopez.

didnt include duncan or ibaka because they are listed as forwards.

if lopez could average 4 more rebounds a game i would place him 7 or 8 spots higher.

Its about his TRB% not RPG. And Lopez's TRB% has decreased every year, going from a slightly below average of 15.8% his rookie season to a horrendous 10% last season (it was 7.7% this past season, but he was injured for almost the entire season).

ecorrea
08-17-2012, 07:46 PM
I doubt it

i did. i love watchin ball, and why not check out some big markets while im livin there.

lopez was soft as hell when i watched him.

NYsFinest
08-17-2012, 07:46 PM
These Nets fans can't be serious... Orlando chose Afflalo over Lopez, that right there shows you how non Nets fans think of that doofus. That clumsy goon couldn't guard a chair, I don't care how much points he scored for a 12 win team.

Mr.SmackYoMama
08-17-2012, 07:46 PM
Nope!!!! Nice to see Bogut is being underrated :0)

DoMeFavors
08-17-2012, 07:46 PM
Whether or not you feel he was gifted the DPOY... it is not even debatable that he was a top 3-4 defensive player ... Theres plenty of players in the NBA who can score, very few who can anchor a team the way Chandler does. That alone brings WAYYY more value than someone who can hit a 15-20 foot jumper.

Really the 4 other teams he has played for didnt think so?

_KB24_
08-17-2012, 07:46 PM
absolutely no. Lopez is better easily than everyone I bolded. He also has a case over Nene if he can't get healthy and Pekovic if he doesn't continue where he left off when Adelman discovered that he was indeed better than Darko.

I think him and Noah is a good discussion. I'd certainly pick him over Lopez if I was given a choice, he seems to be more of a complimentary piece to a superstar as compared to Brook.

smith&wesson
08-17-2012, 07:47 PM
Yeah rebounding is the difference, check Marc Gasols rebounding numbers maybe you should lower him. Lopez is a top 3 center.

marc averages 8.1 rebounds for his career. last season he averaged 8.9 rebounds :confused:

lopez averaged 3.6 rpg last year. if he can raise his rebounding numbers back up to 7.5 which is what his career numbers are then ya he would be a top 5 C in the league maybe even top 3. but its a big leep from 3.6 to 7.5 in one year.

JOhnnyTHaJet
08-17-2012, 07:47 PM
hahahahhahahhahahahaha. That is epic

Please, for the love of god, give him a vacation from PSD.

Lake_Show2416
08-17-2012, 07:48 PM
I dont compare Brook to people like Bargniani, KG and Chandler who Brook is 10x better than.

Bynum
Chandler
KG

all easily better

tnewkirk
08-17-2012, 07:48 PM
he'l average 20 and 9 and 2 blocks, what other centers can put up those stats besides howard and bynum?

KNICKS R BACK
08-17-2012, 07:48 PM
of course not...this isnt even a legitimate discussion...and for the record, domefavors proves himself to be one of the biggest idiots on here on a daily basis...not even nets fans like him or agree with him...what a dunce

Hawkeye15
08-17-2012, 07:49 PM
Howard
Bynum
Gasol
Hibbert
Cousins
Chandler
Horford
Bogut (healthy)

those are the only centers I would take over Lopez. My man Pekovic, if he shows the same 17/11 player he was during his 35 game streak, gets put on the list as well.

tnewkirk
08-17-2012, 07:49 PM
marc averages 8.1 rebounds for his career. last season he averaged 8.9 rebounds :confused:

lopez averaged 3.6 rpg last year. if he can raise his rebounding numbers back up to 7.5 which is what his career numbers are then ya he would be a top 5 C in the league maybe even top 3. but its a big leep from 3.6 to 7.5 in one year.

HE PLAYED 5 ****EN GAMES. his third game he scored 38 points.

JOhnnyTHaJet
08-17-2012, 07:49 PM
These Nets fans can't be serious... Orlando chose Afflalo over Lopez, that right there shows you how non Nets fans think of that doofus.

The Magic didn't take Bynum either, does that mean Afflalo is better as well?

knicksfan42
08-17-2012, 07:50 PM
marc averages 8.1 rebounds for his career. last season he averaged 8.9 rebounds :confused:

lopez averaged 3.6 rpg last year. if he can raise his rebounding numbers back up to 7.5 which is what his career numbers are then ya he would be a top 5 C in the league maybe even top 3. but its a big leep from 3.6 to 7.5 in one year.

DMF is actually right on this one. Marc has a career TRB% of 14.3% that is pretty bad. Marc is a bad rebounder.

Hawkeye15
08-17-2012, 07:50 PM
I think him and Noah is a good discussion. I'd certainly pick him over Lopez if I was given a choice, he seems to be more of a complimentary piece to a superstar as compared to Brook.

I am all about centers either being dominant scorers/rebounders, or defenders/rebounders. So it is a decent discussion, but I think Noah's value can be replaced a bit easier.

KNICKS R BACK
08-17-2012, 07:50 PM
I dont compare Brook to people like Bargniani, KG and Chandler who Brook is 10x better than.

go to sleep, ask your mommy to tuck you in, you're done for the night

JOhnnyTHaJet
08-17-2012, 07:51 PM
marc averages 8.1 rebounds for his career. last season he averaged 8.9 rebounds :confused:

lopez averaged 3.6 rpg last year. if he can raise his rebounding numbers back up to 7.5 which is what his career numbers are then ya he would be a top 5 C in the league maybe even top 3. but its a big leep from 3.6 to 7.5 in one year.

Did you even watch the Nets last year? He played in 5 games.

People have to stop talking out of their *****

mrblisterdundee
08-17-2012, 07:51 PM
Are you ****ing kidding me.

Hawkeye15
08-17-2012, 07:51 PM
wait, are people actually judging Brook off last years numbers? haha

Swashcuff
08-17-2012, 07:52 PM
No

KNICKS R BACK
08-17-2012, 07:53 PM
wait, are people actually judging Brook off last years numbers? haha

most of us are judging him off of his entire pro career...which has been lackluster to say the least...its obvious that he can score the ball, and its also obvious and goes without saying that he does NOTHING else

Hawkeye15
08-17-2012, 07:53 PM
No

Swash, please leave this thread, nobody wants your rational opinion..

NYsFinest
08-17-2012, 07:53 PM
If you are basing his impact solely off his PPG, you don't realize what a center does. Thats like me saying someone is a top 3 PG because even though they can't run an offense they rebound really well. Yes PPG are nice from a center, but not at the expense of everything that he needs to bring at that position. Its not hard to find a player that will score 20 ppg as the #1 option in the NBA.

It's not solely about his rebounds, its the fact that he lacks all the desirable qualities of a center. He might be better at PF with a legitimate center beside him, but I wouldn't want him as my team's starting center.

knicksfan42
08-17-2012, 07:54 PM
Howard
Bynum
Gasol
Hibbert
Cousins
Chandler
Horford
Bogut (healthy)

those are the only centers I would take over Lopez. My man Pekovic, if he shows the same 17/11 player he was during his 35 game streak, gets put on the list as well.

I would take Noah, Gortat, McGee, Monroe, TD and KG (for next season) as well.

Hawkeye15
08-17-2012, 07:54 PM
most of us are judging him off of his entire pro career...which has been lackluster to say the least...its obvious that he can score the ball, and its also obvious and goes without saying that he does NOTHING else

Ugh, I hate doing this, but I have to defend Brook here. He was coming off mono his 2nd year, and was totally and completely mis-used the next season, well away from the rim. I expect a 18.5-7/5 season.

JOhnnyTHaJet
08-17-2012, 07:55 PM
wait, are people actually judging Brook off last years numbers? haha

It's the fine art of looking up his stats on ESPN and forming an opinion, not realizing he played just 5 games. It's been a frequent skill acquired by many in these Net threads.

DR_1
08-17-2012, 07:55 PM
Let's get to top 15 first lol

D12 fan
08-17-2012, 07:57 PM
I dont compare Brook to people like Bargniani, KG and Chandler who Brook is 10x better than.

DoMeFavor and log off right now.

DoMeFavors
08-17-2012, 07:58 PM
Brook doesnt need to play defense, or go harder then he does because no centers score on him. So keep hating.

DoMeFavors
08-17-2012, 07:59 PM
DoMeFavor and log off right now.

How many teams are you a fan of now? just asking...

stop trying to type to me the past week, ive ignored you..I get what your doing you want to make it look like you werent kissing the Nets *** the past 6 months. Leave me alone and watch Dwight.

Swashcuff
08-17-2012, 08:00 PM
Swash, please leave this thread, nobody wants your rational opinion..

In that case you should take your own advice Hawk

Hawkeye15
08-17-2012, 08:00 PM
I would take Noah, Gortat, McGee, Monroe, TD and KG (for next season) as well.

Noah, no. Gortat, meh, Monroe, yes, my bad. McGee, hell no. Duncan no, he plays like 8 mpg, and KG just moved to center, I can't put him there, even if he belongs.

tnewkirk
08-17-2012, 08:01 PM
BYNUM STATS

11.7 ppg 1.6 bpg 7.8 rpg in 26 minutes per game

LOPEZ STATS

17.4 ppg 1.6 bpg 7.5 rpg in 26 minutes per game

for all the ****en morons that say he's not even top 10 :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm:

iv never called people on psd morons before btw but there is something about the nba forum.

career stats btw.

PlezPlayDKnicks
08-17-2012, 08:07 PM
Lol.... He's paid like 1

GREATNESS ONE
08-17-2012, 08:08 PM
No.

smith&wesson
08-17-2012, 08:08 PM
Its about his TRB% not RPG. And Lopez's TRB% has decreased every year, going from a slightly below average of 15.8% his rookie season to a horrendous 10% last season (it was 7.7% this past season, but he was injured for almost the entire season).

imo marc is better over all atm. If lopez comes back and increases his rebounding productivity i would put him ahead of alot of C's i listed as i mentioned before.


Did you even watch the Nets last year? He played in 5 games.

People have to stop talking out of their *****

he averaged 6 rpg the year before that. i bash a player on my own team for having simillar rebounding numbers. sure if bargs was a better rebounder i would consider him a much better player.

perhaps you didnt read my post all i said was if he can raise his rebounding numbers back up to what his career rebounding numbers are then i would rank him alot higher.

im not bashing the guy


Howard
Bynum
Gasol
Hibbert
Cousins
Chandler
Horford
Bogut (healthy)

those are the only centers I would take over Lopez. My man Pekovic, if he shows the same 17/11 player he was during his 35 game streak, gets put on the list as well.

so you pretty much agree with me. if the guy averages 18 and atleast 6+ i would put him right up there too... which is what i said in the last part of my post. be he is coming off and injured season and the season before that had his worst rebounding year. that does make him drop on my list. you cant just ingore injuries. . other wise would you put (healthy) beside boguts name. it make a huge diff.


DMF is actually right on this one. Marc has a career TRB% of 14.3% that is pretty bad. Marc is a bad rebounder.

thats better then 10%


I am all about centers either being dominant scorers/rebounders, or defenders/rebounders. So it is a decent discussion, but I think Noah's value can be replaced a bit easier.

i dont think soo. noah plays with intensity and desire that is only matched by kg imo. where he lacks in talent he makes up for in heart and he is the heart and soul of his team. that is not replaced all that easily if any good C is easily replaced at all.

knicksfan42
08-17-2012, 08:11 PM
Noah, no. Gortat, meh, Monroe, yes, my bad. McGee, hell no. Duncan no, he plays like 8 mpg, and KG just moved to center, I can't put him there, even if he belongs.

Why Noah is a dominant rebounder and an excellent defender? Gortat another great rebounder and a good defender, also averaged 15.5 PPG on 555% FG (.578% TS). McGee again good rebounder, good defender. I believe that for centers defense and rebounding are infinitely more important than scoring. I would take Ben Wallace in his prime scoring 0 PPG over any center in he league right now not named Dwight or Bynum (I might take him over Bynum actually).

oak2455
08-17-2012, 08:12 PM
Swash, please leave this thread, nobody wants your rational opinion..

:laugh: this thread is pure comedy..... Top three maybe over seas in China where he can get those rebounds:clap:

knicksfan42
08-17-2012, 08:13 PM
so in your opinion lopez is better then marc ? i disagree i rather have marc.



No I'd rather have Marc too, its just Marc isn't a good rebounder. Its not an opinion its a fact.

oak2455
08-17-2012, 08:13 PM
BYNUM STATS

11.7 ppg 1.6 bpg 7.8 rpg in 26 minutes per game

LOPEZ STATS

17.4 ppg 1.6 bpg 7.5 rpg in 26 minutes per game

for all the ****en morons that say he's not even top 10 :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm:

iv never called people on psd morons before btw but there is something about the nba forum.

career stats btw.

And on the defensive side ???:speechless:

DoMeFavors
08-17-2012, 08:13 PM
Why Noah is a dominant rebounder and an excellent defender? Gortat another great rebounder and a good defender, also averaged 15.5 PPG on 555% FG (.578% TS). McGee again good rebounder, good defender. I believe that for centers defense and rebounding are infinitely more important than scoring. I would take Ben Wallace in his prime scoring 0 PPG over any center in he league right now not named Dwight and Bynum (I might take him over Bynum actually).

Gortat also had Nash, lets see him create for himself now.

oak2455
08-17-2012, 08:14 PM
Ohhh and Lopez signed a max deal..... Lmao !!!!

DoMeFavors
08-17-2012, 08:15 PM
Rebounds dont matter to me or the team when the team is a fine rebounding team on its own has Kris Humphries a top 5 rebounder in the game, and Gerald Wallace to get rebounds. This isnt a 1 on 1 sport here fellas.

netsgiantsyanks
08-17-2012, 08:15 PM
here we go again. :pity:

thedfactor
08-17-2012, 08:16 PM
What a joke, top three center. Good laugh thanks

tnewkirk
08-17-2012, 08:16 PM
And on the defensive side ???:speechless:

hmmm i guess the 1.6 bpg doesnt matter at all, obviously there is more to defense than that, and he will get better he's only 24. still he's easily a top 10 center and top 5 imo right now.

smith&wesson
08-17-2012, 08:23 PM
No I'd rather have Marc too, its just Marc isn't a good rebounder. Its not an opinion its a fact.

did you read my initial post ? i said if lopez comes back healthy and raises his rebounding numbers back to what his career numbers are i would put him higher on the list.

marc may be a bad rebounder, but he was still better a season ago when lopez averaged 6 a game...

so yes my opinioin is that marc is better overall. which you seem to agree with anyways.

Aust
08-17-2012, 08:23 PM
DoMeFavor and log off right now.

:laugh2:

KnickFanSince91
08-17-2012, 08:23 PM
Not even Top 3 in the Atlantic Division

1. Bynum
2. Chandler
3. Garnett

Lopez is on par with Bargnani

JerseysFinest
08-17-2012, 08:25 PM
I really wanted to avoid this thread because I knew a lot of baiting and homerism would ensue, but who cares. Brook Lopez more than likely will never be a top 3 center. Probably not even top 5. I do however think he can be in the top 10 assuming he continues to improve. His injuries have set him back, but assuming he's healthy, I expect him to play at the same level he did his rookie season (prior to him catching mono and having a calcium deposit). He is a very talented offensive player, but needs to continue his improvement on the defensive end. His rebounding doesn't concern me too much because prior to his injuries, he was rebounding at a steady 8 rebound per clip. As long as he stays aggressive and stays in the weight room, he should be fine.

Vampirate
08-17-2012, 08:27 PM
Not even Top 3 in the Atlantic Division

1. Bynum
2. Chandler
3. Garnett

Lopez is on par with Bargnani

Bargnani isn't playing center this year.

smith&wesson
08-17-2012, 08:28 PM
Rebounds dont matter to me or the team when the team is a fine rebounding team on its own has Kris Humphries a top 5 rebounder in the game, and Gerald Wallace to get rebounds. This isnt a 1 on 1 sport here fellas.

Reggie evans is a rebounding monster. he is a beast on the boards. i remember the last year he was on the raptors he was putting up like 14 a game before he got injured.

DoMeFavors
08-17-2012, 08:32 PM
PGs shouldnt score and should pass more, but Derrick Rose is better than Rondo who is a better passer and defender than him?

JerseysFinest
08-17-2012, 08:33 PM
Rebounds dont matter to me or the team when the team is a fine rebounding team on its own has Kris Humphries a top 5 rebounder in the game, and Gerald Wallace to get rebounds. This isnt a 1 on 1 sport here fellas.

This isn't a bad point, it helps that the Nets have strong rebounders in Kris Humphries and Reggie Evans to help Brook in the front court. Wallace isn't great, but he can get the job done. But you ideally want your center to average at least 7 or 8 rebounds per game, if not more.

netsgiantsyanks
08-17-2012, 08:34 PM
I really wanted to avoid this thread because I knew a lot of baiting and homerism would ensue, but who cares. Brook Lopez more than likely will never be a top 3 center. Probably not even top 5. I do however think he can be in the top 10 assuming he continues to improve. His injuries have set him back, but assuming he's healthy, I expect him to play at the same level he did his rookie season (prior to him catching mono and having a calcium deposit). He is a very talented offensive player, but needs to continue his improvement on the defensive end. His rebounding doesn't concern me too much because prior to his injuries, he was rebounding at a steady 8 rebound per clip. As long as he stays aggressive and stays in the weight room, he should be fine.

yes. :nod:

Swashcuff
08-17-2012, 08:36 PM
I really wanted to avoid this thread because I knew a lot of baiting and homerism would ensue, but who cares. Brook Lopez more than likely will never be a top 3 center. Probably not even top 5. I do however think he can be in the top 10 assuming he continues to improve. His injuries have set him back, but assuming he's healthy, I expect him to play at the same level he did his rookie season (prior to him catching mono and having a calcium deposit). He is a very talented offensive player, but needs to continue his improvement on the defensive end. His rebounding doesn't concern me too much because prior to his injuries, he was rebounding at a steady 8 rebound per clip. As long as he stays aggressive and stays in the weight room, he should be fine.

You should not have avoided this thread and should have posted earlier. Solid post. :clap:

Kyben36
08-17-2012, 08:41 PM
Offensvily I think he has alot to offer, but defensivly and more importantly rebounding wise, I think he leaves alot to be desired.

jayjay33
08-17-2012, 08:45 PM
NOOOO he doesn't have a single characteristic that you want from a Center... I want my SF taking 20 foot jump shots, not my center. A good center needs to be a force in the paint.

I don't care if a center can score 20 points... if he doesn't do things that are expected from a center he is useless to my team. Guys like Howard, Bynum, Chandler, Bogut, Noah, Gasol, Pek etc etc anchor a defense, rebound and do the dirty work down low. Lopez is a soft finesse punk that plays like he is 6-5.
</thread>

I am not a lopez fan, but I think that's a little harsh. Lol

jayjay33
08-17-2012, 08:46 PM
Offensvily I think he has alot to offer, but defensivly and more importantly rebounding wise, I think he leaves alot to be desired.

Agreed, i can live with the defense, but the rebounding is a problem.

oak2455
08-17-2012, 08:59 PM
hmmm i guess the 1.6 bpg doesnt matter at all, obviously there is more to defense than that, and he will get better he's only 24. still he's easily a top 10 center and top 5 imo right now.

Overseas??

DoMeFavors
08-17-2012, 09:03 PM
I cant believe every fan now thinks the more you rebound the better you are, I wish Humphries was a center I guess he would be top 3.

Guppyfighter
08-17-2012, 09:07 PM
Howard
Bynum
Gasol
Hibbert
Cousins
Chandler
Horford
Bogut (healthy)

those are the only centers I would take over Lopez. My man Pekovic, if he shows the same 17/11 player he was during his 35 game streak, gets put on the list as well.


Why would you only want Bogut healthy? Don't care if the rest have broken legs, ankles, or arms?

kmoneyjuice
08-17-2012, 09:08 PM
Can he become a top 3 center this year?

lol

flatbush knicks
08-17-2012, 09:09 PM
I cant believe every fan now thinks the more you rebound the better you are, I wish Humphries was a center I guess he would be top 3.

:facepalm::speechless::facepalm:

elledaddy
08-17-2012, 09:18 PM
people that have noah and chandler over lopez are just embarrassing , this forum must have the dumbest ****en kids on psd.


Well for centers, the game comes down to offense,defense and rebounding. So if Noah and Chandler is clearly better in 2 out of 3 categories why is it so hard to say that they are better? Many fans wud say Melo is a better pure scorer than Lebron but everybody would say Lebron is better in many othee areas making him a better all around player, why should that logic change for Lopez?

D2theJ
08-17-2012, 09:35 PM
D12
Bynum
Cousins #1
Pek
M.Gasol
Marcin
McGee
Tim D
Al Jefferson
Noah
Hibbert
Tyson
Nene
Greg Monroe (PF?)

Are all currently better IMO

haha

D2theJ
08-17-2012, 09:39 PM
I'll take Lopez over any center other than Howard and Bynum. This guy can score and he tries really hard he looks much bigger now, I think he will be a much better rebounder and low post defender this year.

Mave1002
08-17-2012, 09:40 PM
Howard
Bynum
M. Gasol

nope

This

xxplayerxx23
08-17-2012, 09:44 PM
He has talent. Offensivley he is in the convo. Defensively no, rebounding no, overall game No. I have him top 10 now but he can get up to top 7 or so. I predict 18 and 7.5 for himhis year.

D12 fan
08-17-2012, 10:03 PM
I cant believe every fan now thinks the more you rebound the better you are, I wish Humphries was a center I guess he would be top 3.

:bang:Make him stop.

Losoway
08-17-2012, 11:07 PM
yes he is to me he is better then dmc

howard
bynum
lopez/mcgee

Losoway
08-17-2012, 11:09 PM
lopez scores the best out of all the other centers other then ddwight and bynum
he can give you 19-24 easy .

Losoway
08-17-2012, 11:10 PM
:bang:Make him stop.

bro this is like your 4th anti new york thread in one week . are u really that mad ???

the last thread u did . knicks fans almost made u cry now u gonna try it with the nets :facepalm::facepalm:

JasonJohnHorn
08-18-2012, 12:10 AM
D12
Bynum
Cousins #1
Pek
M.Gasol
Marcin
McGee
Tim D
Al Jefferson
Noah
Hibbert
Tyson
Nene
Greg Monroe (PF?)

Are all currently better IMO

This.

Seriously? He averaged 2 rebounds a game last season. I realize it was in very limited play, but come on, 2 a game? In order for him to be ranked above any of these players he's going to have to start rebounding the ball. I expect at least 10 boards a game from a starting center whose getting 36+ minutes a game.

nicegoing
08-18-2012, 12:11 AM
He could be

KniCks4LiFe
08-18-2012, 12:22 AM
ah the ignorance of nba fans never fails, who is a better scoring center than brook?

the maybe is if he stays healthy. I know he was a top 2-3 scoring big in his position. Trust me I know.

cubs1st
08-18-2012, 12:23 AM
Not a chance. He is a terrible rebounder.

EDUTEXANS
08-18-2012, 12:25 AM
absolutely no. Lopez is better easily than everyone I bolded. He also has a case over Nene if he can't get healthy and Pekovic if he doesn't continue where he left off when Adelman discovered that he was indeed better than Darko.

I don't know about Jefferson. Both are similar players, both are bad defensive players and we could argue who is the better offensive player all day. But Jefferson is easily the best rebounder and basically the go to guy in his team. Noah is also very close, he i s a way better defender and shot blocker. But I would give the edge to Lopez here, but he needs to prove a lot this season.

WhiteSoxGod
08-18-2012, 12:27 AM
Yeah I got to see a lot from Lopez. He has potential, not MAX potential, but potential non the less. Let's see now that he is paid can he prove he's worth it?

FriedTofuz
08-18-2012, 12:49 AM
Yeah rebounding is the difference, check Marc Gasols rebounding numbers maybe you should lower him. Lopez is a top 3 center.

Are you sure you're just not being a homer? you have a strong history of always putting nets or nets players ahead when they shouldnt be...
You cant put lopez in the top 3, the consensus is at least
howard
bynum
M. Gasol
Tyson chandler
Roy Hibbert

lopez is the worst rebounding big besides andrea bargnani

PocketKings
08-18-2012, 12:57 AM
You'd have to argue hard for him to even be a top 10 center.

Everyone knows Brook has one of the more complete offensive skilsets at the Center position but he gives you nothing else.

The only people I ever hear/read about arguing that Brook is better is: A) Delusional Nets fans B) Homer Nets fans C) Delusional and Homer Nets Fans

WickedBadMan
08-18-2012, 01:02 AM
He will be good, 4 or 5 would probably be the maximum possible, with top 10 being the floor.

The hate on the Nets is silly on this forum, seriously, someone said he MIGHT be a top 10 offensive center lol.

PocketKings
08-18-2012, 01:09 AM
I don't hate the Nets at all. I'm a huge, huge Deron Williams fan and I think Joe Johnson is going to have an awesome year with the Nets.

I just think that their frontcourt is ridiculously weak.

I think Brook, despite his offensive skillset, doesn't bring anything else to the table from the Center position.

He doesn't rebound, he doesn't play defense consistently or well enough.

Give me: Dwight, Bynum, Marc Gasol, Kevin Garnett (Yes, he is a Center now), Al Horford, DeMarcus Cousins, Al Jefferson, Roy Hibbert, Marcin Gortat, Joakim Noah, Greg Monroe, Nene, and Nikola Pekovic over Brook Lopez.

I admit you can argue a few of those, but otherwise, I'd pretty much easily take those centers over Brook Lopez.

Dwight, Bynum, Marc Gasol, KG, Horford, Hibbert, Cousins, Jefferson are 8 I wouldn't even think twice about taking over Brook.

With Gortat, Noah, Monroe, Nene, and Pekovic all having good arguments over Brook.

AKA TheMamba
08-18-2012, 01:11 AM
Only Center I've ever seen go for 30 + points and get only 3-5 Rebounds in 40 minutes played. There can be an argument made for him being the Best offensive Center. But probably if not the worst rebounding center /48 minutes.

Losoway
08-18-2012, 01:13 AM
brook lopez can easily be consider the best offensive big man in the game

JOhnnyTHaJet
08-18-2012, 01:17 AM
Only Center I've ever seen go for 30 + points and get only 3-5 Rebounds in 40 minutes played. There can be an argument made for him being the Best offensive Center. But probably if not the worst rebounding center /48 minutes.

Brook definitely has up and down games rebounding wise, but I've also seen him have games where hes gone 34/14(rebounds)/8 (blocks).

I dont think he is the worst rebounding Center in the NBA, but definitely under par.

But games like the ones I mentioned and many more that he has played, is the reasoning why I think he has all the potential in the world to be one of the top Centers in the game.

Losoway
08-18-2012, 01:18 AM
Only Center I've ever seen go for 30 + points and get only 3-5 Rebounds in 40 minutes played. There can be an argument made for him being the Best offensive Center. But probably if not the worst rebounding center /48 minutes.

agree. i think it has alot to do with the fact kris humpries tries to grab every damn board . they dont really blend will together

KNICKS R BACK
08-18-2012, 05:43 AM
heres the thing...the only people that stick up for him are nets fans...thats all i have to say about that...people talk about knicks fans making our franchise look bad, well people like domefavors and lososway make the nets fanbase look absolutely horrid...they are by far worse than any knicks fan on here

PraiseJesus
08-18-2012, 06:26 AM
i hate Brook Lopez forever for screwing up my fantasy team last year.

He has to be the worst rebounding Center in the NBA

monty77
08-18-2012, 10:56 AM
There are some better centers than Brook Lopez in the NBA. Both Howard & Bynum are clearly the best center. I would put them in higher level. In second one, players like Marc Gasol, Noah, Cousins, Bogut & Hibbert have shown higher quality than Brook, although he can reach this level in 2012-13 season.

Nowadays Brook belong to third center level along with Nene, Chandler, Al Jefferson & Horford. Monroe and Pekovic maybe join them at the end of season if they keep the last season level.

So far, Brook Lopez could be considered a top 10 center. If Lopez hadn't suffered the injury, he maybe could have prove to be better than Noah and Chandler (who have attack deficiencies), and Bogut, Nene, Horford and Al Jefferson (who had already reached their upper limit).

If we don't consider Anthony Davis like Center, Brook maybe became top 5 at this position. In my opinion, he will never have Howard and Bynum level, and it's unlikely he progress like Hibbert and Cousins in the coming years.

In Brooklyn he will play along with players as Humphries and Gerald Wallace, who average 11 & 7 rebounds respectively last season so, Brook can enjoy some freedom in that respect, saving energy for attack.

For that reason and for the fact play alongside Deron Williams, he could easily pass 20 points per game.

aztr0
08-18-2012, 01:13 PM
Sure he "can," but will he?

Offense is not his problem, he just needs to rebound and play better D.

JOhnnyTHaJet
08-18-2012, 01:47 PM
heres the thing...the only people that stick up for him are nets fans...thats all i have to say about that...people talk about knicks fans making our franchise look bad, well people like domefavors and lososway make the nets fanbase look absolutely horrid...they are by far worse than any knicks fan on here

So essentially you're saying those two idiots represent our entire fan base? I'd beg to differ. Our Nets forum and the posters in it are some of the more intelligent posters on this entire site.

Sixerlover
08-18-2012, 03:30 PM
Roy Hibbert, DeMarcus Cousins, Marc Gasol, Jokim Noah and Tyson Chandler will all have something to say about that.

Losoway
08-18-2012, 03:38 PM
Roy Hibbert, DeMarcus Cousins, Marc Gasol, Jokim Noah and Tyson Chandler will all have something to say about that.

roy hibbert needs to work on his offensive skills and he disappeared in the heat series

Dmc you never know what your going to get from him

marc gasol is pretty good

jokim noah aka butter fingers himself ? can never hold on to a rebound

tyson chandler great defensive player. terrible offensive player cant score unless its a alley opp

every center has there ups and downs . Brook lopez has the best offensive big man game in the league or one of the best

you can teach a center how to rebound and be more dominant

xxplayerxx23
08-18-2012, 03:42 PM
Wrong. Id take Dwight and Bynum on offense over Lopez. Lopez is a top 3-5 offensive center but he won't be a top 3 center overall. He doens't defend well or rebound.

Sixerlover
08-18-2012, 03:47 PM
roy hibbert needs to work on his offensive skills and he disappeared in the heat series

Dmc you never know what your going to get from him

marc gasol is pretty good

jokim noah aka butter fingers himself ? can never hold on to a rebound

tyson chandler great defensive player. terrible defensive player cant score unless its a alley opp

every center has there ups and downs . Brook lopez has the best offensive big man game in the league or one of the best

you can teach a center how to rebound and be more dominant
Brook Lopez is going into his 5th season. It's hard to teach a center how to rebound in the league if he hasn't been successful at it his first 4 years. Same with defense. But that's what they play the games so I guess we'll see.

tnewkirk
08-18-2012, 03:48 PM
roy hibbert needs to work on his offensive skills and he disappeared in the heat series

Dmc you never know what your going to get from him

marc gasol is pretty good

jokim noah aka butter fingers himself ? can never hold on to a rebound

tyson chandler great defensive player. terrible defensive player cant score unless its a alley opp

every center has there ups and downs . Brook lopez has the best offensive big man game in the league or one of the best

you can teach a center how to rebound and be more dominant

:clap:, rebounding and defense is about attitude, offense is all about skill, like you said chandler and noah score off alley opps lol.

tnewkirk
08-18-2012, 03:49 PM
Brook Lopez is going into his 5th season. It's hard to teach a center how to rebound in the league if he hasn't been successful at it his first 4 years. Same with defense. But that's what they play the games so I guess we'll see.

averages same amount as bynum so...

NYsFinest
08-18-2012, 04:02 PM
:clap:, rebounding and defense is about attitude, offense is all about skill, like you said chandler and noah score off alley opps lol.

Doesn't matter how they get it, Chandler may not score as much as Lopez but he is much more efficient doing it. He knows his limitations and doesn;t try to do anything that he can't. I'd rather get a very efficient 11 points off alley oops and amazing defense than 20 points while shooting under 50% and playing horrendous defense from my center.

You are aware that Lopez' shooting percentage for a center is among the worst in the league right?

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/FieldGS.jsp?league=00&season=22010&conf=OVERALL&position=1&splitType=9&splitScope=GAME&qualified=N&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=

That's from his last healthy season.

Raps08-09 Champ
08-18-2012, 04:03 PM
1. Howard
2. Bynum
3. Horford
4. Gasol
5. Cousins
6. Chandler
7. Hibbert
8. Bogut
9. Gortat
10. Monroe
11. Lopez

My list, assuming everyone is healthy.

Doubt he makes it to top 3 though.

_KB24_
08-18-2012, 04:08 PM
I'd love to see a poll on this. Honestly, hes tethering closer to Top 10 than anywhre near the best center debate.

akagiredsuns
08-18-2012, 04:27 PM
Where's DoMeFavors? I think he'd probably argue for top 3 player in the league...

Dude your sig is gonna give people seizures.

tnewkirk
08-18-2012, 04:30 PM
Doesn't matter how they get it, Chandler may not score as much as Lopez but he is much more efficient doing it. He knows his limitations and doesn;t try to do anything that he can't. I'd rather get a very efficient 11 points off alley oops and amazing defense than 20 points while shooting under 50% and playing horrendous defense from my center.

You are aware that Lopez' shooting percentage for a center is among the worst in the league right?

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/FieldGS.jsp?league=00&season=22010&conf=OVERALL&position=1&splitType=9&splitScope=GAME&qualified=N&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=

That's from his last healthy season.

lol he shoots 49%, and thats cause he had to take a lot more shots than a lot of centers, now he's got a better team around him. also lopez can make 3s, how many centers can do that.

akagiredsuns
08-18-2012, 04:30 PM
:clap:, rebounding and defense is about attitude, offense is all about skill, like you said chandler and noah score off alley opps lol.

Noah started to develop a mid range jumper last year when they were leaving him open. And Chandler is a solid defender, at times even a shutdown defender. Don't know what games some people here are watching, but comments like the above, have baiting written all over it. The bias and hate in this forum is both hilarious and ignorant. :laugh:

Sixerlover
08-18-2012, 04:38 PM
averages same amount as bynum so...

averages same what?

icon1914
08-18-2012, 05:03 PM
Maybe top 3 in NYC... maybe...

Greet
08-18-2012, 05:55 PM
1. Howard
2. Bynum
3. Horford
4. Gasol
5. Cousins
6. Chandler
7. Hibbert
8. Bogut
9. Gortat
10. Monroe
11. Lopez

My list, assuming everyone is healthy.

Doubt he makes it to top 3 though.

Al Horford is still considered a center?

koreancabbage
08-18-2012, 05:55 PM
HE PLAYED 5 ****EN GAMES. his third game he scored 38 points.

he still rebounded poorly. he's a poor rebounder.don't know what people are upset at.

_KB24_
08-18-2012, 07:27 PM
Al Horford is still considered a center?

Why would he not be?

Raps08-09 Champ
08-18-2012, 09:53 PM
Al Horford is still considered a center?

Why not. He plays +90% of his mins at C.

His game and body is more suited at PF, but considering he's playing practically all his mins at C, it only makes sense to consider him a C.

mzgrizz
08-18-2012, 09:54 PM
No

JesusWears24
08-18-2012, 10:09 PM
Look up gucci man classical.. its beautiful!

JOhnnyTHaJet
08-19-2012, 01:30 AM
Question, has anyone even watched Brook play?

Captain Moroni
08-19-2012, 10:16 AM
Yes he is, all people calling him soft and he cant rebound, there are a ton of centers that had poor rebounding years, even though Lopez plays next to a top rebounder in the league Kris Humphries which is ignored. Lopez avg nearly 9 a game in 2010 season. Anyone calling him soft is being racist, when have you watched Lopez play?

Racist huh? Why didn't you say the same about Jeremy Lin?

Captain Moroni
08-19-2012, 10:19 AM
Brooke Lopez is a serviceable center on a good but not great team. On teams like the lakers, sixers, celtics, Knicks, thunder, and bulls....he would be a backup center. He is not even in the top three centers in the Atlantic division.
Bynum
Garnett
Chandler
Lopez

knicks=love
08-19-2012, 11:01 AM
Where's DoMeFavors? I think he'd probably argue for top 3 player in the league...


Yes he is, all people calling him soft and he cant rebound, there are a ton of centers that had poor rebounding years, even though Lopez plays next to a top rebounder in the league Kris Humphries which is ignored. Lopez avg nearly 9 a game in 2010 season. Anyone calling him soft is being racist, when have you watched Lopez play?

there she is :laugh:

knicks=love
08-19-2012, 11:04 AM
I don't hate the Nets at all. I'm a huge, huge Deron Williams fan and I think Joe Johnson is going to have an awesome year with the Nets.

I just think that their frontcourt is ridiculously weak.

I think Brook, despite his offensive skillset, doesn't bring anything else to the table from the Center position.

He doesn't rebound, he doesn't play defense consistently or well enough.

Give me: Dwight, Bynum, Marc Gasol, Kevin Garnett (Yes, he is a Center now), Al Horford, DeMarcus Cousins, Al Jefferson, Roy Hibbert, Marcin Gortat, Joakim Noah, Greg Monroe, Nene, and Nikola Pekovic over Brook Lopez.

I admit you can argue a few of those, but otherwise, I'd pretty much easily take those centers over Brook Lopez.

Dwight, Bynum, Marc Gasol, KG, Horford, Hibbert, Cousins, Jefferson are 8 I wouldn't even think twice about taking over Brook.

With Gortat, Noah, Monroe, Nene, and Pekovic all having good arguments over Brook.

what about tyson chandler?!

D2theJ
08-19-2012, 11:13 AM
Brooke Lopez is a serviceable center on a good but not great team. On teams like the lakers, sixers, celtics, Knicks, thunder, and bulls....he would be a backup center. He is not even in the top three centers in the Atlantic division.
Bynum
Garnett
Chandler
Lopez

Youre a ****in idiot. straight up

D2theJ
08-19-2012, 11:20 AM
I guarantee hardly any of the people have watched Lopez play more than a few games ever. He has THE MOST offensive skill off any center in the league, the only ones you can argue are better are Howard and Bynum and a lot of their points come off just being big by dunking and hitting low post shots. Lopez can score in a variety of ways, whether its in the low post, off jumpers or at the line, and if you're a center who can score 20 ppg in this league you have to be at least top 5 I don't care about his defense or rebounding. The guy still can block almost 2 shots a game so his defense can't be that bad, and when I watch the games I never think oh wow this guy is a horrible defender, he can hold his own against anyone other than Dwight.

JOhnnyTHaJet
08-19-2012, 11:25 AM
The fact that Brook is being called a backup further proves no one on this site has actually watched the kid play.

netsgiantsyanks
08-19-2012, 11:27 AM
Brooke Lopez is a serviceable center on a good but not great team. On teams like the lakers, sixers, celtics, Knicks, thunder, and bulls....he would be a backup center. He is not even in the top three centers in the Atlantic division.
Bynum
Garnett
Chandler
Lopez

a back-up center? :laugh2:

netsgiantsyanks
08-19-2012, 11:28 AM
i'm no homer but that statement is just dumb.

xxplayerxx23
08-19-2012, 11:29 AM
I like Brook but how is that guy wrong. Your telling me Garnett isn't better then him? Chandler isn't? At least going into the year he can't be considered better then any of them (Bynum Obvious) Lopez can fill it up but their is more then scoring, he doesn't rebound or play enough defense to be ahead of either of those centers at least going into the year.

netsgiantsyanks
08-19-2012, 11:31 AM
I like Brook but how is that guy wrong. Your telling me Garnett isn't better then him? Chandler isn't? At least going into the year he can't be considered better then any of them (Bynum Obvious) Lopez can fill it up but their is more then scoring, he doesn't rebound or play enough defense to be ahead of either of those centers at least going into the year.



the fact that he said he would be a back up center on most teams. i'm fine with the rest.

tnewkirk
08-19-2012, 11:34 AM
i like brook but how is that guy wrong. Your telling me garnett isn't better then him? chandler isn't? At least going into the year he can't be considered better then any of them (bynum obvious) lopez can fill it up but their is more then scoring, he doesn't rebound or play enough defense to be ahead of either of those centers at least going into the year.

no.

Tysons_Beard
08-19-2012, 11:35 AM
Cousins says no.

this

DoMeFavors
08-19-2012, 11:35 AM
Playing defense doesnt make a center better, Lopez has one of the best post games.

xxplayerxx23
08-19-2012, 11:35 AM
the fact that he said he would be a back up center on most teams. i'm fine with the rest.

Oh I agree, that was crazy.

knicks=love
08-19-2012, 11:36 AM
no.

i guess you missed him winning DPOY last year.. something brook lopez never has a chance at.

xxplayerxx23
08-19-2012, 11:37 AM
Playing defense at a level that makes the Knicks a top 5 defensive group (with one good defender on the floor with him) with Melo,Amare,and Lin/Davis/Bibby on the floor then it does. I don't care how chandler scores but he scores at a 70 percent rate. 11 points + 70 percent with his defensive advantage and rebounding advantage he is the better center.

knicks=love
08-19-2012, 11:38 AM
Playing defense doesnt make a center better, Lopez has one of the best post games.

are you serious? a center is the anchor to your defense. if you don't have a good defensive center, you might as well just give the other team points in the paint before they even dribble the ball. you don't win championships, or even games, without playing defense.

oak2455
08-19-2012, 11:45 AM
are you serious? a center is the anchor to your defense. if you don't have a good defensive center, you might as well just give the other team points in the paint before they even dribble the ball. you don't win championships, or even games, without playing defense.

Dwight isnt good defensive Center:rolleyes:

waveycrockett
08-19-2012, 11:56 AM
Brook is ****ing tyson chandlers baby momma

xxplayerxx23
08-19-2012, 11:59 AM
How so Tyson is older :shrug:

BKLYNpigeon
08-19-2012, 12:03 PM
Who cares where Lopez Ranks.

Lopez is a legit 7 footer, 24 years old and has averaged close to 20 points a game in the last 3 seasons. how many players are there in the league like him? NOT MANY.

he can work on his Defense and Rebounding. he's only 24....

Punk
08-19-2012, 12:10 PM
No. Lopez won't ever be a Top 3 center, he will be Top 10 though.

The Top 10 NBA centers right now are:

1. Howard
2. Bynum
3. Chandler
4. Gasol
5. Hibbert
6. Noah
7. Lopez
8. Nene
9. Cousins
10. Asik

There is nothing wrong where Lopez is ranked. He could move up to 5 or 4 next season.

King Drew
08-19-2012, 12:10 PM
sure.... all he has to do is have a better season then Bynum Howard and Chandler.....

waveycrockett
08-19-2012, 12:24 PM
sure.... all he has to do is have a better season then Bynum Howard and Chandler.....

Wow that should be real hard. Not like he's ever done that before...

knicks=love
08-19-2012, 12:31 PM
here are the centers from last year, in no order, with the amount of rebounds they averaged in their respected amount of games.

Dwight Howard (LAL) 54 games - 14.5 rebounds
Andrew Bynum (PHI) 60 games - 11.8 rebounds
Tyson Chandler (NYK) 66 games - 9.9 rebounds
Marc Gasol (MEM) 65 games - 8.9 rebounds
Nene (WAS) 39 games - 7.5 rebounds
Kevin Garnett (BOS) 60 games - 8.2 rebounds
Javale McGee (DEN) 61 games - 7.8 rebounds
Roy Hibbert (IND) 65 games - 8.8 rebounds
Al Jefferson (UTAH) 61 games - 9.6 rebounds
Andrea Bargnani (TOR) 31 games - 5.5 rebounds
David Lee (GS) [played C last year due to Bogut's injury] 57 games - 9.6 rebounds
DeAndre Jordan (LAC) 66 games - 8.3 rebounds
Nikola Pekovic (MIN) 47 games -7.4 rebounds
ZaZa Pechulia (ATL) 58 games - 7.9 rebounds
Bismack Biyombo (CHA) 63 games - 5.8 rebounds
Joakim Noah (CHI) 64 games - 9.8 rebounds
Anderson Varejo (CLE) 25 games - 11.5 rebounds
Chris Kaman (DAL) 47 games - 7.7 rebounds
Greg Monroe (DET) 66 games - 9.7 rebounds
Samuel Dalembert (MIL) 65 games - 7.0 rebounds
Joel Anthony (MIA) 64 games - 3.9 rebounds
Ersan Illyasova (MIL) 60 games - 8.8 rebounds
Brook Lopez (BRK) (2012) 5 games - 3.6 rebounds...(2011) 82 games - 6.0 rebounds
Robin Lopez (NO) 64 games - 3.3 rebounds
Spencer Hawes (PHI) 37 games - 7.3 rebounds
Brendan Haywood (CHA) 54 games - 6.0 rebounds
Marcin Gortat (PHO) 66 games - 10.0 rebounds
Joel Pryzbilla (POR) 27 games - 5.1 rebounds
Tim Duncan (SA) 58 games - 9.0 rebounds

everyone in italics are people i wouldn't want as my center over brook. everyone else i'd rather have. centers are supposed to play defense and rebound, they're not always leaned on for scoring. of course they're a top option on a team, but that's not what the #1 priority is.

waveycrockett
08-19-2012, 12:32 PM
here are the centers from last year, in no order, with the amount of rebounds they averaged in their respected amount of games.

Dwight Howard (LAL) 54 games - 14.5 rebounds
Andrew Bynum (PHI) 60 games - 11.8 rebounds
Tyson Chandler (NYK) 66 games - 9.9 rebounds
Marc Gasol (MEM) 65 games - 8.9 rebounds
Nene (WAS) 39 games - 7.5 rebounds
Kevin Garnett (BOS) 60 games - 8.2 rebounds
Javale McGee (DEN) 61 games - 7.8 rebounds
Roy Hibbert (IND) 65 games - 8.8 rebounds
Al Jefferson (UTAH) 61 games - 9.6 rebounds
Andrea Bargnani (TOR) 31 games - 5.5 rebounds
David Lee (GS) [played C last year due to Bogut's injury] 57 games - 9.6 rebounds
DeAndre Jordan (LAC) 66 games - 8.3 rebounds
Nikola Pekovic (MIN) 47 games -7.4 rebounds
ZaZa Pechulia (ATL) 58 games - 7.9 rebounds
Bismack Biyombo (CHA) 63 games - 5.8 rebounds
Joakim Noah (CHI) 64 games - 9.8 rebounds
Anderson Varejo (CLE) 25 games - 11.5 rebounds
Chris Kaman (DAL) 47 games - 7.7 rebounds
Greg Monroe (DET) 66 games - 9.7 rebounds
Samuel Dalembert (MIL) 65 games - 7.0 rebounds
Joel Anthony (MIA) 64 games - 3.9 rebounds
Ersan Illyasova (MIL) 60 games - 8.8 rebounds
Brook Lopez (BRK) (2012) 5 games - 3.6 rebounds...(2011) 82 games - 6.0 rebounds
Robin Lopez (NO) 64 games - 3.3 rebounds
Spencer Hawes (PHI) 37 games - 7.3 rebounds
Brendan Haywood (CHA) 54 games - 6.0 rebounds
Marcin Gortat (PHO) 66 games - 10.0 rebounds
Joel Pryzbilla (POR) 27 games - 5.1 rebounds
Tim Duncan (SA) 58 games - 9.0 rebounds

Whoa not like Brook played in just 3 games or anything like that.

Burgo
08-19-2012, 12:37 PM
No chance.

knicks=love
08-19-2012, 12:39 PM
Whoa not like Brook played in just 3 games or anything like that.

hence why i put his 2011 numbers there too, which was a full 82 game season and still couldn't average more than the average center in 20+ more games.

Cal827
08-19-2012, 12:40 PM
No. Lopez won't ever be a Top 3 center, he will be Top 10 though.

The Top 10 NBA centers right now are:

1. Howard
2. Bynum
3. Chandler
4. Gasol
5. Hibbert
6. Noah
7. Lopez
8. Nene
9. Cousins
10. Asik

There is nothing wrong where Lopez is ranked. He could move up to 5 or 4 next season.

Sorry man, but :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Al Jefferson> Asik
Andrew Bogut> Asik
Pekovic> Asik
Gortat>Asik
That idiot in Denver>Asik
Monroe> Asik
Dnewguy> Asik

Jagged QT
08-19-2012, 12:48 PM
How is an obvious "no" gained so much steam for a thread?

All Brook does is score and he is barely top 3 in that.

JerseysFinest
08-19-2012, 12:50 PM
hence why i put his 2011 numbers there too, which was a full 82 game season and still couldn't average more than the average center in 20+ more games.

In 2011, he was still suffering from the effects of mononucleosis and he had a calcium deposit in his right arm.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/nets/lopez_blanked_on_the_boards_FIN0xIaNggAIME2uHr0SYO

That is the reason why his rebounding numbers took a hit and pundits and TV analysts proclaimed "Lopez is a terrible rebounder!!!" and "He's soft!". View his rebounding numbers from his rookie year. He's not a terrible rebounder, injuries set him back, that is all.

Jagged QT
08-19-2012, 12:57 PM
In 2011, he was still suffering from the effects of mononucleosis and he had a calcium deposit in his right arm.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/nets/lopez_blanked_on_the_boards_FIN0xIaNggAIME2uHr0SYO

That is the reason why his rebounding numbers took a hit and pundits and TV analysts proclaimed "Lopez is a terrible rebounder!!!" and "He's soft!". View his rebounding numbers from his rookie year. He's not a terrible rebounder, injuries set him back, that is all.

8 boards for a center is still piss poor.

even though the calcium may be a reason it didn't prevent him from scoring more.

JerseysFinest
08-19-2012, 01:02 PM
8 boards for a center is still piss poor.

even though the calcium may be a reason it didn't prevent him from scoring more.

8 boards a game for a rookie NBA center is piss poor? Probably the first time I've ever heard that. They're not overly great numbers, but they're not bad either.

knicksfan42
08-19-2012, 01:03 PM
Sorry man, but :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Al Jefferson> Asik
Andrew Bogut> Asik
Pekovic> Asik
Gortat>Asik
That idiot in Denver>Asik
Monroe> Asik
Dnewguy> Asik

Yea his list was horrendous.

Jagged QT
08-19-2012, 01:18 PM
8 boards a game for a rookie NBA center is piss poor? Probably the first time I've ever heard that. They're not overly great numbers, but they're not bad either.

8 boards for a center is poor regardless of years of service if they are the starter.

He plays near the basket and is 7 feet tall.

He actually get good numbers from offensive boards, but following your own miss inflates that.

Punk
08-19-2012, 02:22 PM
Sorry man, but :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Al Jefferson> Asik
Andrew Bogut> Asik
Pekovic> Asik
Gortat>Asik
That idiot in Denver>Asik
Monroe> Asik
Dnewguy> Asik

Actually, Asik is a top tier big man defender. His numbers are impressive when it comes to pick and roll defense and defensive efficiency therefore, he's better than those guys right now.

Bogut would be Top 10 but he fell off recently, Gortat has done nothing to be a Top 10 center aside from Nash spoon feeding him, Monroe is a PF now, Pekovic isn't Top 10 yet and Jefferson isn't a complete player.

You do realize there is a reason why guys like Asik got money offered right? You can facepalm if you want to but those are the reality of what was last season.

xxplayerxx23
08-19-2012, 02:23 PM
:facepalm:^

waveycrockett
08-19-2012, 02:24 PM
8 boards for a center is poor regardless of years of service if they are the starter.

He plays near the basket and is 7 feet tall.

He actually get good numbers from offensive boards, but following your own miss inflates that.

He gets buckets. Thats the name of the game. He gets blocks as well.

GiantsSwaGG
08-19-2012, 02:25 PM
Lopez a top 3 center?













:laugh:

Punk
08-19-2012, 02:27 PM
8 boards a game for a rookie NBA center is piss poor? Probably the first time I've ever heard that. They're not overly great numbers, but they're not bad either.
8 rebounds for a Rookie Center isn't too bad but he isn't a rookie anymore, his numbers got worse as he got more expierenced and his rebounding rate is nearly the worst in the league.

He isn't that well defensively either but I think it's due to his slow feet. Lopez honestly, heeds to play next to a Bynum type Center and Lopez play PF. He might have more success there.

Punk
08-19-2012, 02:32 PM
He gets buckets. Thats the name of the game. He gets blocks as well.

Hmm...Dwight, Bynum, Chandler somehow get more buckets with a better percentage than he does for a 20ppg big man.Also, along with his rebounds, his blocks have declined since his rookie season as well.

I'm not on hating him, I've met him and like the guy but he's a Top 10 Center that won't be ever elite. Just be content with that.

tapajafri
08-19-2012, 02:34 PM
Demarcus Cousins > Lopez, Chandler, Hibbert, Marc Gasol

waveycrockett
08-19-2012, 02:34 PM
Hmm...Dwight, Bynum, Chandler somehow get more buckets with a better percentage than he does for a 20ppg big man.

Also, along with his rebounds, his blocks have declined since his rookie season as well.

He's a Top 10 Center that won't be ever elite. Just be content with that.
Oh gawd. Would Knicks fans stop bringing up Tyson Chandler. That guy is proof pudding that being an elite center is very attainable for Lopez. Brook abuses him.

waveycrockett
08-19-2012, 02:35 PM
Lopez a top 3 center?













:laugh:
Hey if Tyson Chandler can do it!

xxplayerxx23
08-19-2012, 02:35 PM
Oh gawd. Would Knicks fans stop bringing up Tyson Chandler. That guy is proof pudding that being an elite center is very attainable for Lopez. Brook abuses him.

:laugh: We will see this year.

xxplayerxx23
08-19-2012, 02:36 PM
Tyson isn't a top 3 C at least not IMO.

knicks=love
08-19-2012, 02:38 PM
Oh gawd. Would Knicks fans stop bringing up Tyson Chandler. That guy is proof pudding that being an elite center is very attainable for Lopez. Brook abuses him.

you're a troll.

waveycrockett
08-19-2012, 02:40 PM
:laugh: We will see this year.
So you find that truth funny? interesting.

imagesrdecievin
08-19-2012, 02:40 PM
I can't wait until people start making the same excuses for Bynum that they refuse to acknowledge for Lopez!

It ain't easy playing alongside nba scrubs.

Jagged QT
08-19-2012, 02:41 PM
Oh gawd. Would Knicks fans stop bringing up Tyson Chandler. That guy is proof pudding that being an elite center is very attainable for Lopez. Brook abuses him.
so you can see Lopez being being the anchor of a teams defense on a championship team or a DPOY winner?

xxplayerxx23
08-19-2012, 02:41 PM
So you find that truth funny? interesting.

We will have plenty of games to see him do it.

knicks=love
08-19-2012, 02:46 PM
what will come first? brook lopez as a DPOY or the knicks win a championship? :laugh2:

D12 fan
08-19-2012, 02:47 PM
DoMeFavors/Losoway/waveycrockett aka the triple threat Nets trolls.

KnickaBocka.44
08-19-2012, 02:53 PM
Actually, Asik is a top tier big man defender. His numbers are impressive when it comes to pick and roll defense and defensive efficiency therefore, he's better than those guys right now.

Bogut would be Top 10 but he fell off recently, Gortat has done nothing to be a Top 10 center aside from Nash spoon feeding him, Monroe is a PF now, Pekovic isn't Top 10 yet and Jefferson isn't a complete player.

You do realize there is a reason why guys like Asik got money offered right? You can facepalm if you want to but those are the reality of what was last season.

You have to be kidding here, right? I don't even know where to begin with this so I apologize if my response is kind of disorganized.

I understand that you like to use advanced statistics , but using them in support of someone who has never averaged more than 15 mpg is quite foolish.

You point to those 2 advanced statistics as reason for him being top 10, completely ignoring the offensive side of the court, and then refute the other players suggested as being better with no statistical support whatsoever? When they have proven themselves to be solid players?

Every single one of those players has proved more than Asik has in this league.

Not only that, but then you say there is a reason guys like that get paid big money. You are a Knick fan, remember Jerome James?

kingsdelez24
08-19-2012, 03:00 PM
DeMarcus Cousins, Nikola Pekovic, Big Al, and Tim Duncan say hello

$GangGr33n$
08-19-2012, 03:06 PM
as long as he's averaging 7 RPG hell no

fadedmario
08-19-2012, 03:16 PM
Lopez is trash.

I'd easily take 15 other NBA centers over him.

Soft.

GiantsSwaGG
08-19-2012, 03:24 PM
so you can see Lopez being being the anchor of a teams defense on a championship team or a DPOY winner?

Dude he continues to embarrass the entire Nets fan base. I wouldn't take him serious!

knicks=love
08-19-2012, 03:28 PM
DoMeFavors/Losoway/waveycrockett aka the triple threat Nets trolls.

:hi5:

Jagged QT
08-19-2012, 04:15 PM
Dude he continues to embarrass the entire Nets fan base. I wouldn't take him serious!

:D I'm new to this board, I'll figure it out soon.

2-ONE-5
08-19-2012, 04:20 PM
Demarcus Cousins > Lopez, Chandler, Hibbert, Marc Gasol

no

Blitzbolt
08-19-2012, 04:28 PM
Who is Nikola Pekovic is he a rookie?

oak2455
08-19-2012, 04:49 PM
Wow that should be real hard. Not like he's ever done that before...

DPOY or Win a Championship ? Oopps neither :laugh::laugh: also between you and that other guy I'm running out of sig space :p

oak2455
08-19-2012, 04:54 PM
Lopez is trash.

I'd easily take 15 other NBA centers over him.

Soft.

I like the Max Contract:clap: for Mr Softie
http://www.eventective.com/photo/229500.jpg

Rocketsfan85
08-19-2012, 06:03 PM
Where's DoMeFavors? I think he'd probably argue for top 3 player in the league...

Lol yea he would

85BearsDefense
08-19-2012, 07:34 PM
Howard
Bynum
KG
Duncan

Nope

TEXASTITAN
08-19-2012, 07:57 PM
Hell NO... The dude is made of glass he'll never be a top 5 center.

JOhnnyTHaJet
08-19-2012, 08:11 PM
Hell NO... The dude is made of glass he'll never be a top 5 center.

Made of glass huh?

So he never misses a game until last year and he is now "made of glass".

The ignorance in the NBA forum, my god....

Punk
08-19-2012, 08:17 PM
Oh gawd. Would Knicks fans stop bringing up Tyson Chandler. That guy is proof pudding that being an elite center is very attainable for Lopez. Brook abuses him.

Chandler vs Lopez last season:

Lopez - 15pts, 5 rebounds, 6 turnovers.

EDUTEXANS
08-19-2012, 08:19 PM
I think yall are too high on Pekovic. He's got a lot to prove this season before you call him a top-5 or even a top-10 center. He started just 35 games last season.

DoMeFavors
08-19-2012, 08:22 PM
Chandler vs Lopez last season:

Lopez - 15pts, 5 rebounds, 6 turnovers.

pre season? really

beasted86
08-19-2012, 08:27 PM
Can "Broke" Lopez learn to play defense and rebound first?

KingsOfQueens
08-19-2012, 09:03 PM
Can DeMeFavors just be banned for severe idiocy?

Knicks4life34
08-19-2012, 09:20 PM
I don't even think he's top 5 or even top ten but who knows. He is still a young player

tapajafri
08-19-2012, 11:40 PM
no

yes. Cousins abused Marc Gasol in all of the head to head matchups last season. He also abused older brother Pau when Sac played LA. Marc put up a better fight than Pau, but either way, Cousins manhandled both of them.

koreancabbage
08-19-2012, 11:56 PM
he's alright, I have him in my top 10. his output on offense already puts him up there. He's gonna def be top 3 in offensive output but he's not known for being a defensive game changer lol so top 10 for sure.

don't know why people are saying he isn't a top 10 center...thats just hate.

knicksfan42
08-20-2012, 12:03 AM
don't know why people are saying he isn't a top 10 center...thats just hate.

Because he is a bad defender and a horrendous (2nd worst in the league his last full season) rebounder that's why.

Howard
Bynum
Gasol
Hibbert
Cousins
Chandler
Horford
Bogut
Noah
Gortat
McGee
Monroe
Garnett
Duncan

Are all better.

xxplayerxx23
08-20-2012, 12:11 AM
Because he is a bad defender and a horrendous (2nd worst in the league his last full season) rebounder that's why.

Howard
Bynum
Gasol
Hibbert
Cousins
Chandler
Horford
Bogut
Noah
Gortat
McGee
Monroe (PF)
Garnett
Duncan

Are all better.

Questionable on the bold. Monroe is a PF.

knicksfan42
08-20-2012, 12:27 AM
Questionable on the bold.

Bold aren't questionable. Bogut questionable? He's a great rebounder excellent defender and an efficient scorer. He's a top 5 center when healthy. Farthest thing from questionable. Gortat got 15 and 10 on 55% shooting last year, good defender too. McGee is a good rebounder, good defender, and is an efficient scorer. Should be interesting to see how he plays when he gets 30+ MPG next year.



Monroe is a PF.


He's exclusively played center these past two seasons. Once he has a seasons worth of play at PF under his belt I'll consider him a PF.

tnewkirk
08-20-2012, 12:31 AM
Hell NO... The dude is made of glass he'll never be a top 5 center.

bynum.

JOhnnyTHaJet
08-20-2012, 01:16 AM
don't know why people are saying he isn't a top 10 center...thats just hate.

Well look at the fans that are saying that....

MackSnackWrap
08-20-2012, 01:45 AM
1) Howard
2)Bynum
3) Marc Gasol
4) Chandler
5)Cousins

He will not pass any of these. Im sure i forgot a few.

Steelers23_06
08-20-2012, 03:44 AM
1) Howard
2)Bynum
3) Marc Gasol
4) Chandler
5)Cousins

He will not pass any of these. Im sure i forgot a few.

i put mcgee at 3 honestly. souns crazy. but this guy is a freak. Karl might be able to get him to reach his untapped potential along with the team lacking a primary scorer and getting A.i. who is a more mans lebron and gets his teammates going along with solid pg play for prime positioning and solid post moves he got from dream. i see him top 3 before brook personally. brook looks to be the 3rd target whereas denver could run through mcgee being surrounded by shooters.

Aleksandar
08-20-2012, 04:16 AM
He may crack the top 10 at most..

MackSnackWrap
08-20-2012, 04:39 AM
i put mcgee at 3 honestly. souns crazy. but this guy is a freak. Karl might be able to get him to reach his untapped potential along with the team lacking a primary scorer and getting A.i. who is a more mans lebron and gets his teammates going along with solid pg play for prime positioning and solid post moves he got from dream. i see him top 3 before brook personally. brook looks to be the 3rd target whereas denver could run through mcgee being surrounded by shooters.
I can see where your coming from. Ive always been a Mcgee supporter . George Karl is the right coach for Mcgee and could definitely help him get his act together and tap into that potential. Also i heard hes been training with Hakeem Olujawon this summer. i look for him to break out this season.

Steelers23_06
08-20-2012, 04:55 AM
I can see where your coming from. Ive always been a Mcgee supporter . George Karl is the right coach for Mcgee and could definitely help him get his act together and tap into that potential. Also i heard hes been training with Hakeem Olujawon this summer. i look for him to break out this season.

thats what im saying i feel like him or doc are the best guys for the job. and i feel every player that worked with the dream in the offseason had a wayyy better post after. dwight, kobe, lebron just to name a few. especially lebron. hakeem is the main reason lebron took his point foward to another level. and what gave kobe that deadly post fade-away. so i can only wonder what he could do with a 7'1" athletic monster

eugene
08-20-2012, 06:20 AM
can't rebound, can't defend... top3? unlikely..

MackSnackWrap
08-20-2012, 07:36 AM
thats what im saying i feel like him or doc are the best guys for the job. and i feel every player that worked with the dream in the offseason had a wayyy better post after. dwight, kobe, lebron just to name a few. especially lebron. hakeem is the main reason lebron took his point foward to another level. and what gave kobe that deadly post fade-away. so i can only wonder what he could do with a 7'1" athletic monster

Agreeed

YEDN90
08-20-2012, 07:51 AM
Um, no. Top 10, yes.

Guy doesn't play defense.

jkiddvc20
08-20-2012, 12:30 PM
Haters gunna hate

nycsports2
08-20-2012, 12:46 PM
as of today i got d12 bynum chandler but hibberts coming strong this yr i got a feeling