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OKC
08-15-2012, 01:31 PM
who de you fell is the best perimiter defender in the PG postion?

xxplayerxx23
08-15-2012, 01:32 PM
feel* and hmm Rondo and Rubio are two good ones.

koreancabbage
08-15-2012, 01:34 PM
Rondo. Lowry

DoMeFavors
08-15-2012, 01:36 PM
Raymond Felton

JasonJohnHorn
08-15-2012, 01:38 PM
Rondo and CP3

Swashcuff
08-15-2012, 01:39 PM
Lowry, Paul and Rubio are a few of the first names that come to mind. As far as defensive impact goes no PG has had a greater impact defensively the last two seasons than Kyle Lowry. Rubio was also very huge for the Wolves last season when he was healthy and Chris Paul really does it all for you on D at the PG. If I were to choose one however I'd go with Lowry at this very moment. Rajon Rondo and Jrue Holiday probably round out my top 5.

bluefire7002
08-15-2012, 01:39 PM
Jason Kidd

Hustlenomics
08-15-2012, 01:41 PM
Rondo

Swashcuff
08-15-2012, 01:41 PM
Are we going to say that there is a difference between perimeter defender and PG defender? If we're talking about overall perimeter D and versatility I'd say that Rubio was the best at this last season.

dalton749
08-15-2012, 01:42 PM
Calderon then lowry :)

B'sCeltsPatsSox
08-15-2012, 01:44 PM
feel* and hmm Rondo and Rubio are two good ones.

I kinda find it funny that you're correcting someone else's grammar:laugh2:



Also to answer the question, CP3 and Lowry are my top 2.

MagicBucsSox
08-15-2012, 01:44 PM
Lowry, Paul and Rubio are a few of the first names that come to mind. As far as defensive impact goes no PG has had a greater impact defensively the last two seasons than Kyle Lowry. Rubio was also very huge for the Wolves last season when he was healthy and Chris Paul really does it all for you on D at the PG. If I were to choose one however I'd go with Lowry at this very moment. Rajon Rondo and Jrue Holiday probably round out my top 5.

Lmao jrue holiday that's beyond homer. Rubio? Stop watching basketball

Sixerlover
08-15-2012, 01:45 PM
I don't like Rondo's man to man D, he has great instincts but he reaches too much and causes the rest of the defense to adjust accordingly. Kyle is probably the best man to man PG defender.

Puck017
08-15-2012, 01:47 PM
Avery Bradley

goose14741
08-15-2012, 01:47 PM
best person to cover pg's? avery, shump then lebron

best defending pg? probably rondo, cp3 then rubio. a couple years ago kidd tops the list but cant make that case anymore.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
08-15-2012, 01:49 PM
I don't like Rondo's man to man D, he has great instincts but he reaches too much and causes the rest of the defense to adjust accordingly. Kyle is probably the best man to man PG defender.

That's why I left off Rondo. He gambles way too much. I think if he learns to only gamble on balls that are much more reachable then what he gambles for right now.

Swashcuff
08-15-2012, 01:57 PM
Lmao jrue holiday that's beyond homer. Rubio? Stop watching basketball

Beyond homer? Have you watched basketball in the last 2 seasons?

Ask anyone who knows anything about basketball, use the facts WATCH some basketball you'd know how good Jrue Holiday is defensively.

You got to be kidding me right now.

JayAllDay
08-15-2012, 01:59 PM
Steve Nash

xxplayerxx23
08-15-2012, 01:59 PM
I kinda find it funny that you're correcting someone else's grammar:laugh2:



Also to answer the question, CP3 and Lowry are my top 2.

Yeah I got a kick out of that :laugh: I forgot Lowry wow :facepalm: myself.

zB_#85
08-15-2012, 02:05 PM
I'd say Rondo.

Westbrook is good when he turns the pressure up because he has quick feet, can stay in front of players and frustrate them (for example, the role Coach K had him play in the olympics)

CP3 is good at stealing but doesn't have the lateral quickness anymore to stay in front so I wouldn't still consider him elite. Just crafty when it comes to stealing the ball.

PocketKings
08-15-2012, 02:09 PM
CP3, Lowry, Jrue, Rondo in some order for me.

MFFL==FML
08-15-2012, 02:14 PM
Jason Kidd - he is the only point guard that can guard most if not all PGs, SGs, and SFs in the league and do it effectively. I don't care if he's 108 years old, he can still play amazing defense.

rapjuicer06
08-15-2012, 02:15 PM
Lowry. He is hands down, the best defensive PG in the NBA. It's the huge factor of him being a top 10 point guard.

Rockice_8
08-15-2012, 02:21 PM
Rondo, CP3, and Westbrook are the first ones that popped in my head.

Piercefan34
08-15-2012, 02:22 PM
avery bradley on defending point guards.

Raps08-09 Champ
08-15-2012, 02:26 PM
Chris Paul.

I think people are overrating Rondo a bit. He relies a lot more than other PG's on those gamble steals.

RenegadeRiot36
08-15-2012, 02:41 PM
Rubio? Really? Come on...

joeystats
08-15-2012, 02:55 PM
Westbrook

Burgo
08-15-2012, 03:05 PM
CP3 hands-down. Reads his opponent so well.

lilchuckdoubles
08-15-2012, 03:05 PM
Rubio? Really? Come on...

Yes Rubio!!

mchl_wrrn
08-15-2012, 03:07 PM
thats the easiest question ever.....
JASON KIDD!!!!
jason kidd is the best defensive point guard ever, in the history of the league

--23--
08-15-2012, 03:08 PM
Avery Bradley & Lowry

Swashcuff
08-15-2012, 03:09 PM
Can someone give a single reason as to why Ricky Rubio isn't a top tier defensive PG?

Cal827
08-15-2012, 03:10 PM
Kyle Lowry. Raptors top 3 in defense this year

:dance:

Jint.
08-15-2012, 03:15 PM
Dan Dickau

thekmp211
08-15-2012, 03:28 PM
best person to cover pg's? avery, shump then lebron

best defending pg? probably rondo, cp3 then rubio. a couple years ago kidd tops the list but cant make that case anymore.

i'll second this, kyle lowry is also very good when he's healthy.

BGates29
08-15-2012, 03:35 PM
Cp3

toovey107
08-15-2012, 03:37 PM
Avery, Lowry, and Rose (no one will agree with that, but it's true).

IndyRealist
08-15-2012, 03:38 PM
Chris Paul.

I think people are overrating Rondo a bit. He relies a lot more than other PG's on those gamble steals.

Wouln't you gamble too if you had Kevin Garnett behind you?

b@llhog24
08-15-2012, 03:42 PM
Rubio, Lowry, Cp3, Rose, Westbrook, Jrue, and Rondo. Any name other than them is just wrong.

Potential33
08-15-2012, 03:42 PM
Nash and it's not even close.

IndyRealist
08-15-2012, 03:43 PM
Beyond homer? Have you watched basketball in the last 2 seasons?

Ask anyone who knows anything about basketball, use the facts WATCH some basketball you'd know how good Jrue Holiday is defensively.

You got to be kidding me right now.

I watch a lot of basketball, and I don't know that Jrue Holiday is good defensively. I've only had maybe a dozen opportunities to watch Sixers games in the past two years, and I can't tell you that he stuck out in my mind at all. There are plenty of people who watch basketball regularly and probably can't remember watching a single Sixers game in the last 5 years. Not everyone watches your team, man.

Eg714
08-15-2012, 03:47 PM
Can someone give a single reason as to why Ricky Rubio isn't a top tier defensive PG?

He's from Europe.

Longhornfan1234
08-15-2012, 03:47 PM
Rondo and Wesbrook by far.

Swashcuff
08-15-2012, 03:48 PM
Rubio, Lowry, Cp3, Rose, Westbrook, Jrue, and Rondo. Any name other than them is just wrong.

Let's not sleep on Eric Bledsoe bro. When he got back from injury last season he was one of the best defensive perimeter players in the entire NBA. He was a stud defensively in his short time for LAC.

rocket
08-15-2012, 03:48 PM
Rodney Stuckey... :P

Swashcuff
08-15-2012, 03:50 PM
I watch a lot of basketball, and I don't know that Jrue Holiday is good defensively. I've only had maybe a dozen opportunities to watch Sixers games in the past two years, and I can't tell you that he stuck out in my mind at all. There are plenty of people who watch basketball regularly and probably can't remember watching a single Sixers game in the last 5 years. Not everyone watches your team, man.

Was my reply directed towards you?

Quick question better defensively George Hill or Jrue Holiday?

b@llhog24
08-15-2012, 03:56 PM
Let's not sleep on Eric Bledsoe bro. When he got back from injury last season he was one of the best defensive perimeter players in the entire NBA. He was a stud defensively in his short time for LAC.

Oh my, forgot about him. :o I was thinking more along the lines of players who get starters minutes. Also although he may not be the best Conley deserves a shout out.

ChiSox219
08-15-2012, 04:00 PM
Rose then Rondo.

Rubio is really good too.

Longhornfan1234
08-15-2012, 04:04 PM
Rose then Rondo.

Rubio is really good too.

Big time homer.

RonE Coleman
08-15-2012, 04:10 PM
Rondo. Lowry

This.

RonE Coleman
08-15-2012, 04:12 PM
Kyle Lowry. Raptors will still suck on defense this year

:dance:

Fixed

Sadds The Gr8
08-15-2012, 04:16 PM
Lowry

nyanks79
08-15-2012, 04:16 PM
Westbrook should be on no ones list.

Hawkeye15
08-15-2012, 04:20 PM
Lmao jrue holiday that's beyond homer. Rubio? Stop watching basketball

Holiday is excellent at taking away space from PG's. Um, you need to start watching Rubio apparently. He was top 3 in steals and charges taken when he went down, and the Wolves fell from 15th defensively to 25th in the last 25 games after he went down. They gave up 103.2 points per 100 possessions when he played, 110.5 when he sat. We were toasted by perimeter players when he went down. Hollinger had him 2nd team all defense.

Lowry, Paul, and a shoutout to Rondo here as well.

Donuts365
08-15-2012, 04:20 PM
Rondo

Hawkeye15
08-15-2012, 04:20 PM
if Avery Bradley can be considered a PG, he is way up there too.

Hawkeye15
08-15-2012, 04:21 PM
Rose then Rondo.

Rubio is really good too.

I respect you as a poster, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Sell me on Rose, I personally feel he was part of the machine, not a standout defender.

Kashmir13579
08-15-2012, 04:22 PM
Chris Paul?

Hawkeye15
08-15-2012, 04:23 PM
Can someone give a single reason as to why Ricky Rubio isn't a top tier defensive PG?

If they try, I will eat their reasons up...

RonE Coleman
08-15-2012, 04:24 PM
Are we considering Shumpert a pg or sg? Cause his one on one defense is better than anyone whose been mentioned

Hawkeye15
08-15-2012, 04:24 PM
Chris Paul?

you don't agree he is an elite perimeter defender? He is always in your space, turns guards relentlessly which wastes time on the clock, he tips a lot of balls (Rubio is amazing at this), again eating clock time, he gets steals without sacrificing position, and is an expert at helping but staying in range for closeouts.

Cal827
08-15-2012, 04:24 PM
Fixed

:laugh: You are aware that we were in the top 10 for points allowed last year, despite having probably the worst defensive PG starting for us, right? :D

Hawkeye15
08-15-2012, 04:25 PM
Are we considering Shumpert a pg or sg? Cause his one on one defense is better than anyone whose been mentioned

no it isn't. The best on the ball defender in the NBA may very well be Bradley. Rubio is excellent as well, but strong players can use their physical advantage.

Cal827
08-15-2012, 04:26 PM
Are we considering Shumpert a pg or sg? Cause his one on one defense is better than anyone whose been mentioned

I consider him a PG, but I think alot of this is coming from experience (why Rubio is getting shot down by people). I do agree, he's awesome defensively, but I think people are looking for consistency. Since Shumpert has only played one year.. and will be out most of next year...

RonE Coleman
08-15-2012, 04:32 PM
:laugh: You are aware that we were in the top 10 for points allowed last year, despite having probably the worst defensive PG starting for us, right? :D

Points allowed is a stupid stat. A lot of that relies on your offense and how many different possessions take place in a game. If your team runs a halfcourt offense your defense is most likely going to give up less points than a team who gets up and down the court much faster.

By your logic teams like Philly or Boston had a better defense than Miami which is simply not true.

Craptors had the 12th ranked Defense.

No hard feelings ;)

RonE Coleman
08-15-2012, 04:35 PM
I consider him a PG, but I think alot of this is coming from experience (why Rubio is getting shot down by people). I do agree, he's awesome defensively, but I think people are looking for consistency. Since Shumpert has only played one year.. and will be out most of next year...

Fair points on Shump. For me its Lowry and Rondo. Chris Pauls defense is way too overrated. He plays the passing lanes great and gets a ton of steals but that is not all to playing defense

RonE Coleman
08-15-2012, 04:39 PM
no it isn't. The best on the ball defender in the NBA may very well be Bradley. Rubio is excellent as well, but strong players can use their physical advantage.

Not getting into an argument with you. I don't need to hear about all these corny advanced stats you are going to pull out. I think Rubios a great defender but in regards to Shump or Bradley I would much rather have Shumpert guarding someone because his size allows him to guard the 1-3 positions where Bradley is much too small to guard most 3s.

Losoway
08-15-2012, 04:40 PM
feel* and hmm Rondo and Rubio are two good ones.

Rubio???? :facepalm::facepalm:

Losoway
08-15-2012, 04:41 PM
shump and hondo

Losoway
08-15-2012, 04:41 PM
and shump is a point guard playing the 2

Swashcuff
08-15-2012, 04:43 PM
If they try, I will eat their reasons up...

I literally laughed out loud when I read this :laugh2:

Cal827
08-15-2012, 04:44 PM
Points allowed is a stupid stat. A lot of that relies on your offense and how many different possessions take place in a game. If your team runs a halfcourt offense your defense is most likely going to give up less points than a team who gets up and down the court much faster.

By your logic teams like Philly or Boston had a better defense than Miami which is simply not true.

Craptors had the 12th ranked Defense.

No hard feelings ;)

Lol fair enough... I guess I'm wrong by a little bit on top 10 ranking when you look at defense as a whole.. my bad.

As a Raptor fan though, I can say that it was so much better than the year before, where freaking everybody would go off on us. Even this guy called Luke Harangody or some crap like that? WHO IN THE FLYING **** IS LUKE HARANGODY?! lol :mad:

Hawkeye15
08-15-2012, 04:45 PM
Not getting into an argument with you. I don't need to hear about all these corny advanced stats you are going to pull out. I think Rubios a great defender but in regards to Shump or Bradley I would much rather have Shumpert guarding someone because his size allows him to guard the 1-3 positions where Bradley is much too small to guard most 3s.

The thread is asking who the best defensive PG's are. Shumpert is not a PG, therefore why would I even bother arguing his significance on that end?

Hawkeye15
08-15-2012, 04:46 PM
To anyone just facepalming Rubio, make a case on why he isn't an elite defender. Please, I am all ears (or eyes in this case).

Losoway
08-15-2012, 05:01 PM
The thread is asking who the best defensive PG's are. Shumpert is not a PG, therefore why would I even bother arguing his significance on that end?

actually shumpert is a point guard. Shump been playing the Pg position his whole life

knicks just made him play shooting guard .

im sure your getting ready to give me 4 paragraphs full of bs stats and crap you usually say when ur wrong

but Ok

Hawkeye15
08-15-2012, 05:03 PM
actually shumpert is a point guard. Shump been playing the Pg position his whole life

knicks just made him play shooting guard .

im sure your getting ready to give me 4 paragraphs full of bs stats and crap you usually say when ur wrong

but Ok

Lots of players played different positions growing up and in college. But he doesn't play PG in the NBA, so move on.

Hawkeye15
08-15-2012, 05:05 PM
Furthermore, Shumpert isn't in the conversation anyways. He isn't consistent enough defensively. I think he will be a great defender over his career, but he isn't elite yet. Hell, the Knicks were actually better defensively with him sitting...

Losoway
08-15-2012, 05:06 PM
Lots of players played different positions growing up and in college. But he doesn't play PG in the NBA, so move on.

actually if you look at the draft he was mocked as a PG . knicks made him play the 2 because at the time they had no shooting guards other then landry

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Iman-Shumpert-5156/

so move on

RonE Coleman
08-15-2012, 05:09 PM
The thread is asking who the best defensive PG's are. Shumpert is not a PG, therefore why would I even bother arguing his significance on that end?

Well to be fair he is a point guard and he also is not. He played PG for the Knicks at many different instances this year. I guess you could say he doesn't really have a true position. Plenty of guys are like this though. Wade for much of his career was a 2 guard who did much of the ball handling and the offense went though him but I guess I could see why Shumpert wouldn't be considered a point guard.

Basically I'm just saying if the opposing teams best player from 1-3 was the point guard, that is who Shumpert would be guarding because his body type and height allow it. He doesn't have a true position on offense or defense. Kinda like a shawn marion on defense he just guards the opposing teams best player

Hawkeye15
08-15-2012, 05:09 PM
actually if you look at the draft he was mocked as a PG . knicks made him play the 2 because at the time they had no shooting guards other then landry

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Iman-Shumpert-5156/

so move on

Do you have a point? Shumpert plays primarily SG/SF. The question of the thread is who is the best defensive PG. If you want to act childish, as you do in every other thread, go ahead. But you will notice nobody really engages in debates with you, because you provide no intellect, and are standoffish.

xnick5757
08-15-2012, 05:10 PM
A very bradley

Hawkeye15
08-15-2012, 05:11 PM
Well to be fair he is a point guard and he also is not. He played PG for the Knicks at many different instances this year. I guess you could say he doesn't really have a true position. Plenty of guys are like this though. Wade for much of his career was a 2 guard who did much of the ball handling and the offense went though him but I guess I could see why Shumpert wouldn't be considered a point guard.

Basically I'm just saying if the opposing teams best player from 1-3 was the point guard, that is who Shumpert would be guarding because his body type and height allow it. He doesn't have a true position on offense or defense. Kinda like a shawn marion on defense he just guards the opposing teams best player

Shumpert played PG minimally, and that was because injuries racked you guys until Lin was discovered there.

LeBron James is the answer if you are now trying to develop this into a thread where you can use your guy, despite him not being a PG.

I never get why fans feel the need to make sure their guy gets a shoutout. This just so happens to be a thread where Rubio actually makes sense. No way on earth I bring up my guys if you move it out to the wings or bigs. Somehow, Knicks fans always need validation for their players and teams. I will never get it.

RonE Coleman
08-15-2012, 05:13 PM
Furthermore, Shumpert isn't in the conversation anyways. He isn't consistent enough defensively. I think he will be a great defender over his career, but he isn't elite yet. Hell, the Knicks were actually better defensively with him sitting...

Ignoring this entire post. Great offense beats great defense. As a rookie he guarded guys like Wade, Rose, Joe Johnson , Deron Williams night in and night out.

Ive seen a ton of your posts and You rely way to much on advanced stats instead of just watching the game and analyzing from there.

Losoway
08-15-2012, 05:13 PM
Do you have a point? Shumpert plays primarily SG/SF. .


my point is like in every other thread when your wrong you say a bunch of useless stats or bs crap

YOU SAID SHUMP IS NOT A PG. thats the whole argument i dont care if he plays a sf / a pf or whatever he came in the league as a pg

just accept your wrong. Good day

Losoway
08-15-2012, 05:15 PM
Ignoring this entire post. Great offense beats great defense. As a rookie he guarded guys like Wade, Rose, Joe Johnson , Deron Williams night in and night out.

Ive seen a ton of your posts and You rely way to much on advanced stats instead of just watching the game and analyzing from there.


thats all he does is throw out useless stats and when he is wrong he throws out double the amount of useless stats

RonE Coleman
08-15-2012, 05:16 PM
Shumpert played PG minimally, and that was because injuries racked you guys until Lin was discovered there.

LeBron James is the answer if you are now trying to develop this into a thread where you can use your guy, despite him not being a PG.

I never get why fans feel the need to make sure their guy gets a shoutout. This just so happens to be a thread where Rubio actually makes sense. No way on earth I bring up my guys if you move it out to the wings or bigs. Somehow, Knicks fans always need validation for their players and teams. I will never get it.

Your entire purpose in this thread is to dick ride Rubio. Obviously Lebron is the best defender if your talking about wings but he like a lot of NBA players does not play a natural 1-5 position. Shumpert is the same way to an extent where he doesn't play a set position.

And for the record I wasn't in here to promote Shumpert. I already said I thought Lowry and Rondo were the best pure point guard defenders

iliketurtles24
08-15-2012, 05:16 PM
Rubio is good, but idk about the best. I think cp3 is pretty good.

RonE Coleman
08-15-2012, 05:18 PM
thats all he does is throw out useless stats and when he is wrong he throws out double the amount of useless stats

Exactly. Way too many people rely on these bogus advanced stats to back up their arguments. Just watch the damn game, no one needed all these ******** stats to tell you Michael Jordan was the best ball player ever. Why should we need all these stats now?

Hawkeye15
08-15-2012, 05:20 PM
Ignoring this entire post. Great offense beats great defense. As a rookie he guarded guys like Wade, Rose, Joe Johnson , Deron Williams night in and night out.

Ive seen a ton of your posts and You rely way to much on advanced stats instead of just watching the game and analyzing from there.

Absolutely false. Stats simply validate/correct what we see or miss. I watch a ton of basketball. I watched Rubio shut Lin down in the 2nd half when they played by making a simple adjustment.

Shumpert will be an excellent defender, but he isn't in the elite class yet. He had a coach who could care less about defense for almost his entire rookie year, meaning his defensive potential was not even tapped into. In 2 years, when the "who is the best defender" question comes up, I personally think Shumpert may be in that conversation. But he is not a PG, no matter how hard you try you won't sell him as one, and that is the criteria for being named in this thread.

toovey107
08-15-2012, 05:21 PM
Alright well Ronnie Brewer played some PG in college and when he was on Utah, so I vote for him.

Hawkeye15
08-15-2012, 05:22 PM
Your entire purpose in this thread is to dick ride Rubio. Obviously Lebron is the best defender if your talking about wings but he like a lot of NBA players does not play a natural 1-5 position. Shumpert is the same way to an extent where he doesn't play a set position.

And for the record I wasn't in here to promote Shumpert. I already said I thought Lowry and Rondo were the best pure point guard defenders

I named a PG in the NBA who is an elite defender. I also named a few others with him, so please don't act like I am sitting here pushing my agenda.

But if I am ruffling your feathers, my bad. I am simply pointing out Shumpert isn't in the conversation here. When he does guard PG's, he does great. But it's very rare that he is assigned a PG.

xPhillies08WSCx
08-15-2012, 05:27 PM
Rondo and CP3

Not much more to be said

iliketurtles24
08-15-2012, 05:30 PM
Wait, so if knick fans can do it, then i say AK47 is the best pg defender. He has dribbled the ball before.

toovey107
08-15-2012, 05:30 PM
Mysynergy is your friend.

AntiG
08-15-2012, 05:33 PM
even though he's playing SG right now, its Avery Bradley, and not really close either.

After him, its between Rondo, CP3, Lowry, Kidd and I'd throw Chalmers in there.

RonE Coleman
08-15-2012, 05:34 PM
I named a PG in the NBA who is an elite defender. I also named a few others with him, so please don't act like I am sitting here pushing my agenda.

But if I am ruffling your feathers, my bad. I am simply pointing out Shumpert isn't in the conversation here. When he does guard PG's, he does great. But it's very rare that he is assigned a PG.

Well I'm not the one arguing against Rubio. I do believe he is a great defensive point guard but he is strictly only a point guard and guards only point guards.

Point I was trying to make was that Shumpert guards the opponents best player from 1-3 and you could argue he was technically a "point guard". For instance if we were playing the Lakers last season why would we have him guard Fisher when he could match up with Kobe. All I was trying to say.

You brought up Bradley who like Shump doesn't play a natural position

RonE Coleman
08-15-2012, 05:35 PM
Wait, so if knick fans can do it, then i say AK47 is the best pg defender. He has dribbled the ball before.

Completely irrelevant to anything that has been said. Good job, good effort :facepalm:

iliketurtles24
08-15-2012, 05:39 PM
Completely irrelevant to anything that has been said. Good job, good effort :facepalm:

My point is exactly that... its irrelevant, why can you not see that?

dc5jdm
08-15-2012, 05:39 PM
Derek fisher then rondo

ChongInc.
08-15-2012, 05:40 PM
Lowry, Paul and Rubio are a few of the first names that come to mind. As far as defensive impact goes no PG has had a greater impact defensively the last two seasons than Kyle Lowry. Rubio was also very huge for the Wolves last season when he was healthy and Chris Paul really does it all for you on D at the PG. If I were to choose one however I'd go with Lowry at this very moment. Rajon Rondo and Jrue Holiday probably round out my top 5.

That's a solid list. Didn't realize Rubio was so solid defensively.

RonE Coleman
08-15-2012, 05:54 PM
Jose Calderon is clearly the best defensive PG in the NBA ;)

Run&Gun
08-15-2012, 06:01 PM
This may not answer the thread but I think CP3 will do the best at making other PG look like a fool on both ends of the court, he'll pick you on one end then shoot a midrange in your face, just think he mentally tries to destroy every pg he's up against. I think every PG prob. hates to play him the most.

Kyben36
08-15-2012, 06:07 PM
Rondo and its not even close, although, he gets away with alot of reaching.

Aust
08-15-2012, 06:12 PM
CP3, Shump, Avery, Lowry

Swashcuff
08-15-2012, 06:21 PM
Shumpert and Bradley aren't PGs. They played the majority of their minutes at the SG last season and on most occasions were guarding the opposing team's SG. If we're going to speak of their PG defense then quite honestly the #1 PG defender is LeBron James without hesitation.

UPRock
08-15-2012, 06:24 PM
Rondo.

JasonJohnHorn
08-15-2012, 06:27 PM
How come nobody has mentioned Nash? :rimshot:

RonE Coleman
08-15-2012, 06:48 PM
Shumpert and Bradley aren't PGs. They played the majority of their minutes at the SG last season and on most occasions were guarding the opposing team's SG. If we're going to speak of their PG defense then quite honestly the #1 PG defender is LeBron James without hesitation.

While i agree neither are "point guards", they both came into the league as point guards but neither one is really suited to run an offense. Thats the difference between them and Lebron, obviously Lebron is better but both of them really came into the league as point guards or combo guards. Lebron is just a freak and can play 1-5.

Someone should make a thread with strictly best defensive 1s and 2s.
My top 5 in no order would be Iggy, Tony Allen, Shump, Bradley, Lowry

Alayla
08-15-2012, 06:56 PM
Lmao jrue holiday that's beyond homer. Rubio? Stop watching basketball

homer mabye but Jrue IS a good defender wacth him and that will become obvuios i dont think its wrong to call him top ten defenseivly even in my most objective oppoin

justinnum1
08-15-2012, 07:37 PM
westbrook

RonE Coleman
08-15-2012, 07:43 PM
westbrook

Always failing... not even top 3 defensive pgs

Fly
08-15-2012, 07:47 PM
Rondo

IndyHeatjman
08-15-2012, 07:49 PM
Rondo

ChiSox219
08-15-2012, 07:58 PM
Big time homer.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700108903/Utah-Jazz-Derrick-Roses-defense-easy-to-see.html?pg=all



I respect you as a poster, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Sell me on Rose, I personally feel he was part of the machine, not a standout defender.

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/19/rose-dwarfs-other-improvements-with-defense/

This play is one of my favorite Rose plays and demonstrates what the author was talking with Rose fighting through screens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNocTpRIEfw&feature=youtu.be&t=1m22s

but I like the play at the 1:50 mark too:)

Bigbadmoffo
08-15-2012, 08:20 PM
Lowry

smiddy012
08-15-2012, 08:49 PM
Rondo, Lowry, Westbrook, Rubio, & Rose are all better defensively than CP3 IMO. Hell even Watson's a better defending PG than CP3. I have no clue who the best is, I guess I'd say Rondo because of his consistency over the years.

Tumstock
08-15-2012, 09:15 PM
Rondo is by far the best defensive (starting) point guard at the moment!

iliketurtles24
08-16-2012, 12:09 AM
Rondo is by far the best defensive (starting) point guard at the moment!

Only because Rubio isnt starting right now right?... Homer!

69centers
08-16-2012, 01:11 AM
I'm pretty sure that if you're a PG in the league and trying to bring the ball up court, the last person you want to see on you is Avery Bradley.

tonyd3b54
08-16-2012, 01:29 AM
rondo is the best defensive pg. but like the rest of his game, he only whips it out when he wants to. most of the time in the regular season he just goes for steals. in the playoffs he amps it up. the tough thing about pg defense is half the time they're trailing their player due to the pick and roll game being such a huge part of the nba. the team help defense defend pgs just as much as the actual pg does.

RonE Coleman
08-16-2012, 01:36 AM
I'm pretty sure that if you're a PG in the league and trying to bring the ball up court, the last person you want to see on you is Iman Shumpert.

Your right!

Gagan136
08-16-2012, 01:36 AM
Rondo and Paul

BleedingGreen9
08-16-2012, 01:37 AM
Shumpert and Bradley aren't PGs. They played the majority of their minutes at the SG last season and on most occasions were guarding the opposing team's SG. If we're going to speak of their PG defense then quite honestly the #1 PG defender is LeBron James without hesitation.

AB probably logged more mins at point last year than SG. He didnt realy get put into that SG role till Ray went down. + When him and rondo are on the court AB is going to guard the better player wether its sg or pg.

To me AB is the best in the league. Maybe it b/c im blinded by homerism but the dude is shutdown

Raps08-09 Champ
08-16-2012, 04:26 AM
thats the easiest question ever.....
JASON KIDD!!!!
jason kidd is the best defensive point guard ever, in the history of the league

Wrong.

naps
08-16-2012, 06:37 AM
Current: CP3 and Rondo
All-time: Gary Payton

Alayla
08-18-2012, 05:36 AM
Points allowed is a stupid stat. A lot of that relies on your offense and how many different possessions take place in a game. If your team runs a halfcourt offense your defense is most likely going to give up less points than a team who gets up and down the court much faster.

By your logic teams like Philly or Boston had a better defense than Miami which is simply not true.

Craptors had the 12th ranked Defense.

No hard feelings ;)

you realise that those where 2 of the top 5 defenseive teams in the nba last year right? awfull way to illustrate a point

bearadonisdna
08-18-2012, 01:14 PM
A healthy Drose is in this conversation.

JordansBulls
08-18-2012, 10:23 PM
who de you fell is the best perimiter defender in the PG postion?

Rondo