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dnewguy
08-15-2012, 11:01 AM
For real though, Baron Davis, Jermaine Oneal and Jamal Magloire need to hang it up.

Your thoughts?

BobbyHillSwag
08-15-2012, 11:02 AM
Iverson

dh144498
08-15-2012, 11:04 AM
Andrew23 and ballhog24: kobe.

nycericanguy
08-15-2012, 11:07 AM
Stackhouse

/thread

Longhornfan1234
08-15-2012, 11:07 AM
Tim Duncan. His age showed against OKC in the playoffs...it was embarrassing.

Gators123
08-15-2012, 11:08 AM
Carmelo

2-ONE-5
08-15-2012, 11:08 AM
^LOL get real. Stackhouse and T-MAc easily

Hellcrooner
08-15-2012, 11:10 AM
carter, tmac.

mikekhelxD
08-15-2012, 11:13 AM
carter, tmac.

JB will go berserk when he sees that post.

Andrew32
08-15-2012, 11:20 AM
I am mad. :mad:
lololol.

I agree with Davis and Maglorie.

Jermaine has looked really washed up for awhile now but he just got that special German surgery and is in Phoenix so maybe he can make a comeback.

RonE Coleman
08-15-2012, 11:25 AM
dnewguy

xxplayerxx23
08-15-2012, 11:30 AM
Kobe,Nash,Pau :D And Wade.

dnewguy
08-15-2012, 11:31 AM
Jason Kidd and Kobe need to start their farewell season...it's been great folks but this isn't 2002 anymore.

D12 fan
08-15-2012, 11:33 AM
Tim Duncan. His age showed against OKC in the playoffs...it was embarrassing.

:facepalm:WTF are you serious or joking?

Andrew32
08-15-2012, 11:33 AM
Jason Kidd and Kobe need to start their farewell season...it's been great folks but this isn't 2002 anymore.
Agree.
Kidd is old as hell and Kobe was a team cancer last season with his ball dominance and inefficient/inconsistent gunning.

To be fair I could see Kobe being an All-Star type offensive player for 2-3 more seasons so he still has something left to offer but he needs to tone down his shot attempts, usg rate and mpg.

Ty Fast
08-15-2012, 11:33 AM
jason kidd, vince carter, t-mac, grant hill, Juwan Howard to name a few

Jint.
08-15-2012, 11:33 AM
the Collins brothers

xxplayerxx23
08-15-2012, 11:35 AM
Jason Kidd and Kobe need to start their farewell season...it's been great folks but this isn't 2002 anymore.

You need to start your farewell post, It hasn't been great but this isnt your time anymore.

D12 fan
08-15-2012, 11:37 AM
You need to start your farewell post, It hasn't been great but this isnt your time anymore.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

dnewguy
08-15-2012, 11:40 AM
You need to start your farewell post, It hasn't been great but this isnt your time anymore.

I was about to respond, and then I saw that you're a knicks fan. Well, speaking on franchises that need to retire, aren't they due?

nycericanguy
08-15-2012, 11:42 AM
You need to start your farewell post, It hasn't been great but this isnt your time anymore.

You shouldn't post the rest of the day, go out on that high note!...Costanza style!. lol

dnewguy
08-15-2012, 11:46 AM
You shouldn't post the rest of the day, go out on that high note!...Costanza style!. lol

I saw what you did there...you had to edit that comment 3 times. My mom always said, think before you write...not write, then think, then think again.

D12 fan
08-15-2012, 11:51 AM
I saw what you did there...you had to edit that comment 3 times. My mom always said, think before you write...not write, then think, then think again.

You guys are wild boys.lol

AndyfromNeptune
08-15-2012, 11:54 AM
Who are we to determine who should or should not retire?

If players think they can still play and professional teams still think these players can still contribute I see no reason why they should stop pursuing the game they love.

Andrew32
08-15-2012, 11:55 AM
Who are we to determine who should or should not retire?

If players think they can still play and professional teams still think these players can still contribute I see no reason why they should stop pursuing the game they love.

We are the fans.
We are the reason they get paid.

WE DECIDE IF THEY GET TO KEEP PLAYING.

jk. :win:

Hitman21
08-15-2012, 11:57 AM
Greg Oden, Kidd, Kurt Thomas, Camby....and Artest just needs to leave. He doesnt belong in the nba.

RaiderLakersA's
08-15-2012, 11:58 AM
As long as someone is willing to pay them, they'll keep playing. And I don't blame them.

There aren't many jobs where you can collect 5-6 figures each paycheck, travel the country and generally have the best seats in the house to watch the sport that you love.

dnewguy
08-15-2012, 11:58 AM
Who are we to determine who should or should not retire?

If players think they can still play and professional teams still think these players can still contribute I see no reason why they should stop pursuing the game they love.

When it becomes painful to watch, we chitchat about it. We are fans, that's what we do.

Max.This
08-15-2012, 12:05 PM
kurt thomas needs to go. Camby put up good numbers last year but after this season he needs to hang it up. Jason kidd is a pass first point guard, so i'd say about another year or two. I dont want to see the knicks franchise hang it up, but i wouldnt mind Dolan doing it

SaimuKala
08-15-2012, 12:07 PM
Fisher

RonE Coleman
08-15-2012, 12:08 PM
You need to start your farewell post, It hasn't been great but this isnt your time anymore.

AHAHA :clap:

PleaseBeNice
08-15-2012, 12:10 PM
Carter, Kidd, T Mac, R Jefferson, Davis, Stackhouse, Brian Cardinal

uprightciti
08-15-2012, 12:10 PM
ur teams starting 5

LongIslandIcedZ
08-15-2012, 12:10 PM
Screw that, as long as they still love the game and give it their all, I hope they play as long as they are able to.

Who am I to tell these guys when to retire from what they love to do.

heyman321
08-15-2012, 12:13 PM
Tmac, Carter, Kidd, Camby, Kurt Thomas (GTFO OUT OF HTE LEAGUE).

IIISSKiLL
08-15-2012, 12:13 PM
Greg Oden, Kidd, Kurt Thomas, Camby....and Artest just needs to leave. He doesnt belong in the nba.

so you think the knicks bench needs to retire lol

dnewguy
08-15-2012, 12:13 PM
kurt thomas needs to go. Camby put up good numbers last year but after this season he needs to hang it up. Jason kidd is a pass first point guard, so i'd say about another year or two. I dont want to see the knicks franchise hang it up, but i wouldnt mind Dolan doing it

The Knicks are painful to watch, 2 or 3 mores years of no play-offs/1st round exits and they're about done as a relevant franchise. They should hang it up...no buenos

xxplayerxx23
08-15-2012, 12:18 PM
The Knicks are painful to watch, 2 or 3 mores years of no play-offs/1st round exits and they're about done as a relevant franchise.I should hang it up...no buenos

If only you took your own advice. :pity:

sixer04fan
08-15-2012, 12:20 PM
I don't believe Antoine Walker has officially retired yet... He needs to.

sixer04fan
08-15-2012, 12:21 PM
How about McDyess? Did he officially retire yet?

Raps18-19 Champ
08-15-2012, 12:23 PM
Allen Iverson.

85BearsDefense
08-15-2012, 12:24 PM
Jason Kidd and Kobe need to start their farewell season...it's been great folks but this isn't 2002 anymore.

lol why would Kobe need to retire? He still plays at a high level..... troll

85BearsDefense
08-15-2012, 12:26 PM
The Knicks are painful to watch, 2 or 3 mores years of no play-offs/1st round exits and they're about done as a relevant franchise. They should hang it up...no buenos

God Miami fans post around here like they're hot ****.... you've won 2 championships in your entire existence.... jesus.

Ill21
08-15-2012, 12:27 PM
dnewguy

Yup

85BearsDefense
08-15-2012, 12:27 PM
dnewguy shouldnt even be able to post here. Delete your account like you said you would.

pg64159
08-15-2012, 12:28 PM
J O'Neil
McGrady
Gilbert Arenas
Richard Hamilton
Michael Redd
Jamaal Tinsley
Metta World Peace "please f*n retire"
Kurt Thomas.

The goods
08-15-2012, 12:30 PM
Fisher,carter,Davis,O'Neal,maybe Kidd also

Pierzynski4Prez
08-15-2012, 12:30 PM
Juwan Howard

Kashmir13579
08-15-2012, 12:30 PM
I think Baron Davis has another season or two in him.. He showed flashes this season but his situation was horrible. Trying to recover from back surgery. Playing heavy minutes and even starting wasn't what he signed up for when he came to New York.

I'll tell you, it may not reflect it in the stats, but he gave my team everything he possibly could. (arguably to a fault)

I think he can still be effective in small doses, and i want him back in a Knicks jersey when he's ready.

Kashmir13579
08-15-2012, 12:32 PM
To all those saying T-Mac... Have a little respect.. SMFH

Purple&Gold24
08-15-2012, 12:34 PM
You need to start your farewell post, It hasn't been great but this isnt your time anymore.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

lol

Stinkyoutsider
08-15-2012, 12:44 PM
I think both Kidd and Steven Nash should be thinking about retirement. Both those guys have a wall full of awards and accomplishments sitting at home. They've done it all. Not much to do now unless they're both interested in collecting NBA checks, which each guy can still collect because their both good players.

Nash is making another attempt at a ring so I understand that. Jason Kidd though? He's got one. Both are going to the hall of fame so I'm not sure why both are still hanging around...

DoMeFavors
08-15-2012, 12:56 PM
If the NBA teams thought they should retire they wouldnt be picked up.

dnewguy
08-15-2012, 01:01 PM
Kobe's still productive but really painful to watch...once he was out of the top 10, he's done. If he settles for 3-6 shots like any other role player then he's got about 3 more years but it's painful and outrageous that he takes more than 20 shots a game. This season, he begins his legacy farewell tour just retire in the off season.

Cal827
08-15-2012, 01:02 PM
Dnewguy + DoMeFavors in a thread flowing with Knick fans... Well I better get my Popcorn ready to watch :D

Anyways to the thread:

Baron Davis (That injury was brutal)
Juwan Howard
59% of the Boston Celtics
James Dolan
Mitch Kupiak (come on, it's not fair how they can acquire gold for poop)
Greg Oden (I'm very Pessimistic on how he can respond after another surgery)
Brandon Roy (See above, would be nice to hear comeback stories from both though)
Travis Outlaw (What the hell is his point on a roster again?)
Eddy Curry

xxplayerxx23
08-15-2012, 01:03 PM
Kobe is a pain to watch? His effiecntcy has droped but he is still explosive and can score with the best of them. 2nd in scoring last year. Also he is stil productive on defense. Please learn the game and he is top 10 still.

Gibby23
08-15-2012, 01:06 PM
I was about to respond, and then I saw that you're a knicks fan. Well, speaking on franchises that need to retire, aren't they due?

No matter how much Miami wins, no matter what the Heat do, the will never, as a franchise, be in the conversation with the Knicks.

Gritz
08-15-2012, 01:13 PM
For real though, Baron Davis, Jermaine Oneal and Jamal Magloire need to hang it up.

Your thoughts?

Lmbo @ your sig. Just screams "I'm mad af"

Andrew32
08-15-2012, 01:18 PM
Kobe is a pain to watch? His effiecntcy has droped but he is still explosive and can score with the best of them. 2nd in scoring last year. Also he is stil productive on defense. Please learn the game and he is top 10 still.

He was incredibly ball dominant last year and his efficiency was terrible.
Not only that but he was extremely inconsistent.

He had multiple long stretches of games where his shooting %'s were absolutely abysmal but he kept gunning harder then ever.
He had an entire month where he shot below 40% from the field!

Lakers won many games last year "in spite" of Kobe.
The consistent 20 / 10 production and defense of Bynum / Pau was the main reason behind their good regular season record in 2012.

Not saying he is "done" and he can still get hot and put up an impressive scoring game but overall his value was lowered significantly due to all the bad performances and inconsistency.

I do think he was something of a cancer last season but he can still be an All-Star offensively for maybe 1-3 more seasons if he stops being selfish, quits worrying about his ppg and tones down his shot attempts so his efficiency/consistency can become "decent" again and his supporting cast can get their touches in.

It is embarrassing watching him have multiple games of 3-21 etc.

xxplayerxx23
08-15-2012, 01:19 PM
Without him they are not championship contenders. :confused:

Andrew32
08-15-2012, 01:22 PM
Without him they are not championship contenders. :confused:
Honestly... I don't think they would have been much worse last year if he was completely removed from the roster.

But yeah if he plays the right way he is obviously a big asset to the team and an All-Star level player even though now Dwight is obviously by far their best and most valuable player.

Also whoever called him a good defender... no, just no.
He is close to a liability at that end. Terrible footspeed and loves to gamble still.

xxplayerxx23
08-15-2012, 01:24 PM
Honestly... I don't think they would have been much worse last year if he was completely removed from the roster.

But yeah if he plays the right way he is obviously a big asset to the team and an All-Star level player even though now Dwight is obviously by far their best and most valuable player.

Also whoever called him a good defender... no, just no.
He is close to a liability at that end.

I disagree, Without him they are a low playoff seed if a playoff team. Yes Dwight is the best player on the team, but your undervalueing Kobe big time. Kobe is not a liability, when he needs to defend he does a good job at it.

Gibby23
08-15-2012, 01:24 PM
Honestly... I don't think they would have been much worse last year if he was completely removed from the roster.
But yeah if he plays the right way he is obviously a big asset to the team and an All-Star level player even though now Dwight is obviously by far their best and most valuable player.

You are a numbers dude, so what don't you go find the games Kobe missed last year and post Bynums stats for that period. I don't think he even shot over 50% because he was getting doubled.

Andrew32
08-15-2012, 01:28 PM
You are a numbers dude, so what don't you go find the games Kobe missed last year and post Bynums stats for that period. I don't think he even shot over 50% because he was getting doubled.

They were like 5-2 when Kobe was out injured.
Bynum did have a game or two where he shot quite horribly from the field when Kobe was out but he also had some really good performances.

VS Spurs :
16 / 30rebounds on 7-20 shooting.

VS SAS : 23points on 50% shooting

VS GS : 32points on 86% shooting
(12-14 FG)

VS Denver : 30pts on 58% shooting

Given time to adjust to a new offense/role without Kobe who always dominated the ball and I am sure his ppg would go up significantly and his overall efficiency would normalize into the 50-57% range.

He did average 25 / 18 with Kobe out despite the terrible shooting game or two which messed up his efficiency.

Piercefan34
08-15-2012, 01:42 PM
lebron

Gibby23
08-15-2012, 01:43 PM
They were like 5-2 when Kobe was out injured.
Bynum did have a game or two where he shot quite horribly from the field when Kobe was out but he also had some really good performances.

VS Spurs :
16 / 30rebounds on 7-20 shooting.

VS SAS : 23points on 50% shooting

VS GS : 32points on 86% shooting
(12-14 FG)

VS Denver : 30pts on 58% shooting

Given time to adjust to a new offense/role without Kobe who always dominated the ball and I am sure his ppg would go up significantly and his overall efficiency would normalize into the 50-57% range.

He did average 25 / 18 with Kobe out despite the terrible shooting game or two which messed up his efficiency.

10/27
7/17
7/20
11/19
9/24
8/16
12/14

He shot 46% when Kobe was out

Andrew32
08-15-2012, 01:45 PM
10/27
7/17
7/20
11/19
9/24
8/16
12/14

He shot 46% when Kobe was out

Yeah well it is a big adjustment when a player who is so ball dominant and who your entire offense is based around leaves the lineup.

He had one very bad shooting game, some below average ones and some very good ones.

If you remove the 9/24 performance/anomaly his average shoots up to 53%.

Dee_Edge
08-15-2012, 01:46 PM
Erick Dampier, T-Mac, and hell since I'm on a Hawks kick....Johan Petro should have hung it up years ago

I Rock Shaqs
08-15-2012, 01:52 PM
Derek Fisher, Jason Kidd( wouldn't be surprised if retired mid-season) Ben Wallace, Eric Dampier,

SteBO
08-15-2012, 01:54 PM
Tmac, jermaine oneal, Vince Carter, Juwan Howard......

xxplayerxx23
08-15-2012, 01:56 PM
Derek Fisher, Jason Kidd( wouldn't be surprised if retired mid-season) Ben Wallace, Eric Dampier,

I doubt he gives up 3 million for the next 3 years lol.

Gibby23
08-15-2012, 02:02 PM
Yeah well it is a big adjustment when a player who is so ball dominant and who your entire offense is based around leaves the lineup.

He had one very bad shooting game, some below average ones and some very good ones.

If you remove the 9/24 performance/anomaly his average shoots up to 53%.


Quit adjusting stats to fit with what you are supporting. Remove the 12/14 game also. Bynum couldn't handle the Nuggets in the playoffs, he was getting doubled and we almost lost. He can't pass out of the double team and gets called for traveling more than any player I have seen. he is a good player, but he wasn't mor important to the team than Kobe. When we won the 2 rings acouple of years ago, he wasn't even more important than Lamar Odom who would finish games. You can find stats from those 2 seasons and say kobe shot too much at a bad%, but you know what? They won back to back.

Andrew32
08-15-2012, 02:09 PM
When we won the 2 rings acouple of years ago, he wasn't even more important than Lamar Odom who would finish games. You can find stats from those 2 seasons and say kobe shot too much at a bad%, but you know what? They won back to back.
I am not adjusting stats. I am only showing that on average Bynum probably would have shot a good % with or without Kobe if given time to adjust.

What does what he did 2 years ago have to do with his play last year?
Players improve.

Yeah Kobe was very inconsistent in the 2010 playoffs.
That is why Gasol had to carry the team against OKC and BOS when Kobe was bricking close to 60% of his shots.

Gibby23
08-15-2012, 02:14 PM
I am not adjusting stats. I am only showing that on average Bynum probably would have shot a good % with or without Kobe if given time to adjust.

What does what he did 2 years ago have to do with his play last year?
Players improve.

Yeah Kobe was very inconsistent in the 2010 playoffs.That is why Gasol had to carry the team against OKC and BOS when Kobe was bricking close to 60% of his shots.


Bynum isn't a franchis guy. if he was, the lakers wouldn't have traded him. If they thought his knees would hold up past 2 more years they wouldn't have traded him, if he could move his feet and play pick and roll defense better they wouldn't have traded him.

Mr_Jones
08-15-2012, 02:17 PM
Kobe's still a top player in the league, I don't see why he'd need to retire. To me, that makes no sense.

Derek Fisher should have retired 3 years ago.

Andrew32
08-15-2012, 02:17 PM
Bynum isn't a franchis guy. if he was, the lakers wouldn't have traded him. If they thought his knees would hold up past 2 more years they wouldn't have traded him, if he could move his feet and play pick and roll defense better they wouldn't have traded him.
Lakers made a smart trade.
Dwight is better now and has a better history in terms of health.

Bynum could end up being a great franchise player and even surpass Dwight but that is all speculation.

I think the Dwight trade was great for LAL.

Mr_Jones
08-15-2012, 02:28 PM
He was incredibly ball dominant last year and his efficiency was terrible.
Not only that but he was extremely inconsistent.

He had multiple long stretches of games where his shooting %'s were absolutely abysmal but he kept gunning harder then ever.
He had an entire month where he shot below 40% from the field!

Lakers won many games last year "in spite" of Kobe.
The consistent 20 / 10 production and defense of Bynum / Pau was the main reason behind their good regular season record in 2012.

Not saying he is "done" and he can still get hot and put up an impressive scoring game but overall his value was lowered significantly due to all the bad performances and inconsistency.

I do think he was something of a cancer last season but he can still be an All-Star offensively for maybe 1-3 more seasons if he stops being selfish, quits worrying about his ppg and tones down his shot attempts so his efficiency/consistency can become "decent" again and his supporting cast can get their touches in.

It is embarrassing watching him have multiple games of 3-21 etc.

Oh good god, never use the word "consistent" and Andrew Bynum in a sentence together. He could be dominant player in the league, but I doubt he will reach his true potential because of himself. It's nobody else's fault but his. There were countless games where Drew would not even play defense or rebound because he wasn't getting more shots. He is frustrating on offense to watch because of his inabilities to pass out of double teams, and even when he is doubled, he still hoists those shots up.

As far as Kobe goes, I really do not blame him too much. Yes, he kept shooting, but the season as a whole, was purely Mike Brown and Co's fault. They ruined Kobe's season, as well as Pau's. Without a decent point guard, Kobe would have to dribble the ball and initiate the offensive "game plan". And when Brown did not know what to do anymore, he'd just have Kobe play one on five. He placed Pau on the perimeter and expected him to be successful. Last year was on Bynum's inconsistencies and poor game-mentally as well as Mike Brown's laughable offensive schemes.

Most viewers do not watch Laker games and go purely off of box scores. Which is an incorrect way to judge the games. Watch the teams play all season, or do not have an opinion.

Chronz
08-15-2012, 02:45 PM
10/27
7/17
7/20
11/19
9/24
8/16
12/14

He shot 46% when Kobe was out

Yea but he shot 50% or something in all the minutes he was without kobe

Gibby23
08-15-2012, 02:48 PM
Yea but he shot 50% or something in all the minutes he was without kobe

Hahahaa

xxplayerxx23
08-15-2012, 02:50 PM
46-50 % isn't to good for a center of his talent. Anyway no way is Bynum going to do bad without Kobe but I do think Kobe being there helped him develop a little bit easier.

EDUTEXANS
08-15-2012, 03:41 PM
Kurt Thomas

Alayla
08-15-2012, 07:31 PM
*facepalm* are people REALLY saying VC? have you wacthed him on the mavs or the magic at all? hes still one of the more althictic players in the game and the jumper is only getting smoother. Tmac... on the other hand.. has mabye 2 years left

dee279
08-15-2012, 07:49 PM
The whole Knicks team

KobeOwnSU
08-15-2012, 07:50 PM
Luke Walton.

Aust
08-15-2012, 07:50 PM
Derek Fisher

StarvingKnick22
08-15-2012, 08:17 PM
The whole Knicks team

this is the type of **** we have to go through every ****ing day. And the sad thing is if we had an argument about this apparently id be the one who gets banned. You and all the other trolls can go **** yourselves.

seikou8
08-15-2012, 08:31 PM
this is the type of **** we have to go through every ****ing day. And the sad thing is if we had an argument about this apparently id be the one who gets banned. You and all the other trolls can go **** yourselves.

:clap: lets go knicks **** all you haters

Trueblue2
08-15-2012, 09:16 PM
dnewguy shouldnt even be able to post here. Delete your account like you said you would.

But the refs won...

dee279
08-15-2012, 09:40 PM
this is the type of **** we have to go through every ****ing day. And the sad thing is if we had an argument about this apparently id be the one who gets banned. You and all the other trolls can go **** yourselves.

Lol really and truly i dont troll against anyway. I was just jokin. Since u get so uptight over a damn joke Ill give yall NY fans yall due credit. Yall could be a top 4 seed in the East. Looking at your team, i see yall as a big obstacle in the way if yall play up to yall potential. I just said knicks because that was the team that came to my head for some reason. Probably because i seen someone say Melo and then i just posted the Knicks but neways ypu will be alright.

KingPosey
08-15-2012, 09:57 PM
You need to start your farewell post, It hasn't been great but this isnt your time anymore.
:laugh2:

I was about to respond, and then I saw that you're a knicks fan. Well, speaking on franchises that need to retire, aren't they due?:yawn:

xxplayerxx crushed you in that exchange.

meloman1592
08-15-2012, 10:03 PM
Lebron and Kobe...then the league will be a happy place for me

dee279
08-15-2012, 10:22 PM
Lebron and Kobe...then the league will be a happy place for me

Yeah Melo might would be a top 5 player then huh?

Iceman_9
08-15-2012, 10:27 PM
Jermaine, tmac, Stackhouse, juwan Howard (did he retire?)

D-Leethal
08-15-2012, 10:42 PM
Ben Wallace, Bibby, Vince is probably a year away

Chronz
08-15-2012, 10:54 PM
Hahahaa

LOL p

b@llhog24
08-15-2012, 10:58 PM
Andrew23 and ballhog24: kobe.

:violin:

b@llhog24
08-15-2012, 11:10 PM
How about McDyess? Did he officially retire yet?

I think last year.

WhiteSoxGod
08-15-2012, 11:14 PM
Amare Stoudemire.

ThunderousDemon
08-15-2012, 11:17 PM
I was about to respond, and then I saw that you're a knicks fan. Well, speaking on franchises that need to retire, aren't they due?

Weren't you supposed to delete your account because Miami lost to the Mavericks in the finals?

KaganRS
08-15-2012, 11:26 PM
Stackhouse

/thread

Lol this

NoahH
08-15-2012, 11:29 PM
I think Baron Davis is already done, he's not recovering from that knee injury