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JasonJohnHorn
08-13-2012, 08:26 AM
Obviously with the addition of Dwight Howard and Steve Nash this offseason, the Lakers are odds on favorites to win the west and likely the NBA championship next season. I mean, on paper it seems like we might as well not even bother turning into watch until the epic LBJ vs. Kobe finals match-up that everybody has been dying to see for almost a decade now.

But that said, there is going to be some potentially problematic chemistry problems. Dwight Howard has on more than one occassion said in the media that he thinks he should get the ball more on the offensive end, and no doubt his lack of touches was likely one of the reason he asked for the Magic to fire SVG. But let us be honest. Howard is living in a bubble if he thinks his offensive game is good enough for him to be the center piece of any offence. He has the range of a yard stick and his foot, to me, is unimpressive. And that shoulder/drop/spear move of his seems to be his only move and it is an offensive foul. Dwight make expect more touches, but in reality Kobe should likely remain the first option for this Lakers team.

And then there is Kobe. He has said that this is Dwight's team now in public, but we all know that Kobe likes to shoot the ball, and when the game is on the line, we know he's not going to be passing the ball to Dwight. Kobe has a fire in him, and for better or worse he will be taking more shots than anybody on the Lakers. But not only that, he is used to dominating the ball, bringing the ball up and running isolation plays for himself, and if he's going to continue doing that, instead of playing off the ball, that will take Nash out of his game.

As for Nash, he is a floor general. He like to have the ball in his hands and he likes to decide where the ball is going. Nobody can accuse Nash of being ball hog, he is, after all, a pass-first PG in a league fill with score-first PGs (which is one of the things that sets him apart for other PGs in the league). Will Kobe be taking the ball out of Nash's hands? Will that limit Nash's ability to facilitate? Nash is an amazing shooter and could play very well off the ball himself, but being a facilitator is what he does best. But he is also used to working with centers who have a more varied offence than Diwght. I mean, unless Nash is handing Dwight the ball to dunk it, I can't see Nash getting many assists via Dwight this season. Nash's best friend on the team should be Pau Gasol.

If Greg Popovich was coaching this team, there is no doubt in my mind that Gasol would be the first option on offence. He's such a great passer, like Duncan, he's got range, and great foot work. He's a team first player, and ironically, that may be the very things that makes him ineffective on a roster like this. Gasol will not make waves if he becomes the fourth scoring option on this team, but he is perhaps the most effective scorer on the roster. Nash and Gasol could work magic together, but I expect Brown is going to keep Kobe as the first option, and Dwight as the second, which may be enough to stroke Dwight ego, but let's face it, Nash and Gasol should be running the pick-and-roll together. Gasol should be the first or second option on this team, and he will likely end up as the fourth option.

MWP will round out the starting line up, and he will likely be the easiest to appease. He seems content camping out on the three point line and waiting for defences to collapse so that he can get the ball kicked out to him, which no doubt will happen from time to time, but MWP will have to focus on his defence in order for him to be valuable to this team.

I like the history behind the Lakers franchise, though I was not a fan of the Shaq/Kobe era, and I am not a fan of Kobe, but I love Nash and Gasol (in case you hadn't noticed from this post) and I think this roster seriously has a shot at the regular season wins record if the chemistry is right. But it seems like there are a lot of potential problems with this roster, and I think the only coach who could work them out is Greg Pop or Phil Jackson. Brown is simply not the man for the job.

I can't wait to see this roster in action and I'm sure, whether you love or hate the Lakers, you feel the same. But I was wondering, does anybody else see any of these potential chemistry problems? Or is this just me? And would it be possible for any player suiting up int he purple and gold to win the MVP award with so many stars on the roster?

Thoughts?

Aust
08-13-2012, 08:31 AM
Kobe never said the team is Dwight's, and Lebron has been playing in the league for only a decade. I think people have been wanting that Finals matchup for around 5 years or less.

ugottabjoshinme
08-13-2012, 09:11 AM
I don't think there will be a ton of chemistry issues.

When the Heat formed their team there were chemistry problems because three perimeter oriented players that were used to having the ball a lot were playing together for the first time. They had to learn how to play together.

It's different for the Lakers. Kobe/Nash/Dwight/Gasol all have different roles and not trying to play on the perimeter. There will be some issues at first because it's new, but they shouldn't have nearly the problem the Heat had with meshing at the beginning.

AndyfromNeptune
08-13-2012, 09:14 AM
This is a great post, but it focuses on two guys who won't get the Lakers rings: Gasol and Nash.

The only guy who truly knows how to get the Lakers the rings is Kobe Bryant. To underestimate Kobe Bryant especially in the playoffs is not a smart move. Do you remember his last game performance against the Thunder? It looked like vintage Kobe out there.


Howard is the second most important person on this team. Without him manning the paint defensively and cleaning up the boards, the Lakers would be even with the Thunder. Howard puts the Lakers over the edge.

Nash is third most important because of his ability to spread the floor with his shot, and his ability to get his bigs the ball .

Gasol is the 4th most important but the 3rd most important offensively.

AndyfromNeptune
08-13-2012, 09:15 AM
I don't think there will be a ton of chemistry issues.

When the Heat formed their team there were chemistry problems because three perimeter oriented players that were used to having the ball a lot were playing together for the first time. They had to learn how to play together.

It's different for the Lakers. Kobe/Nash/Dwight/Gasol all have different roles and not trying to play on the perimeter. There will be some issues at first because it's new, but they shouldn't have nearly the problem the Heat had with meshing at the beginning.

In my opinion, the Heat still need to figure out their problems. Lebron only played well once Bosh was injured and Wade was suffering from injuries. It allowed him to do what he does best: pass, rebound, and score.


The Lakers with good coaching and the Princeton style offense should have no problems. I expect them to be as good or better than the all time greatest Bulls team.

Whomewhome
08-13-2012, 09:15 AM
Mike Brown. I will go out and say it. the Man is not fit for the job.

Aust
08-13-2012, 09:20 AM
I expect them to be as good or better than the all time greatest Bulls team.

:faint:

Kobe2324
08-13-2012, 09:48 AM
I dont expect any now that Steve Nash is in town, everyone will get their touches, and thay will win the title at the end of the year over miami, gonna be a great year :)

sixer04fan
08-13-2012, 10:06 AM
Well the potential chemistry problem there is obvious: you have four hall of famers and one basketball...

But I don't see chemistry being too much of a problem. They have 4 different guys that all do different things and score in different ways. Usually when you have chemistry problems it's because you have superstar players that play much of the same game. Melo/Amare come to mind, Lebron/Wade, etc. And even those two examples have overcome a lot of their issues.

There will be some chemistry issues in the beginning, because they have a lot of new pieces. But once they gel, they'll be fine in my opinion.

Jroz
08-13-2012, 10:07 AM
Hmmm...only problem I can see them having this year is deciding on who gets to hold up the Trophy first.

PacersForLife
08-13-2012, 10:12 AM
The fact that Steve Nash is on the team makes me think it won't be too bad. If it was another superstar I think it might be a different story.

LoneWolf
08-13-2012, 10:19 AM
But that said, there is going to be some potentially problematic chemistry problems. Dwight Howard has on more than one occassion said in the media that he thinks he should get the ball more on the offensive end, and no doubt his lack of touches was likely one of the reason he asked for the Magic to fire SVG. But let us be honest. Howard is living in a bubble if he thinks his offensive game is good enough for him to be the center piece of any offence. He has the range of a yard stick and his foot, to me, is unimpressive. And that shoulder/drop/spear move of his seems to be his only move and it is an offensive foul. Dwight make expect more touches, but in reality Kobe should likely remain the first option for this Lakers team.


People are hating on the Lakers so much that they have to reach for things not to like about them. It's basketball, stop dissecting peoples feet. What's wrong with Howard's foot for Christ's sake?

LoveMeOrHateMe
08-13-2012, 10:21 AM
Hmmm...only problem I can see them having this year is deciding on who gets to hold up the Trophy first.

Hahaha thats funny but I agree

albertajaysfan
08-13-2012, 10:30 AM
If they had only added Howard I could see problems perhaps.

But part of the reason Dwight demanded the ball more on offence was because he was playing with a bunch of chuckers. That would piss me off as well.

If he has any sense, which I believe he does, he is well aware that he is joining a team with 3 other solid offensive players. He should know that he does not need to carry this team offensively and that Nash will get the ball to the best person depending on the situation.

Plus like they say winning cures everything. Kobe is the same way. When LA is winning Kobe just plays. When they are losing he speaks up and points fingers.

With Nash being there I just don't see the chemistry problems you speak of. Everyone knows that he will run the offence, no ifs ands or buts.

Avenged
08-13-2012, 10:37 AM
Don't see chemistry being an issue. The only thing I do see being a problem is a very noticeable decline in Nash or Kobe. If that happens, I'm hoping Kobe will go to Dwight a lot more.

LoneWolf
08-13-2012, 10:52 AM
Don't see chemistry being an issue. The only thing I do see being a problem is a very noticeable decline in Nash or Kobe. If that happens, I'm hoping Kobe will go to Dwight a lot more.

I think a decline from Bryant can be masked by better efficiency playing with Nash and Howard cleaning up the defensive end. I'm sure Nash will fully run the offense so it seems the only weak ling on the team is coach Brown.

D-Leethal
08-13-2012, 10:55 AM
The pieces all seem to compliment eachother beautifully....

The only potential problems I see if keeping everyone happy and satisfied. Kobe wants a ton of touches, Dwight wants to be 'the guy' and sure as hell doesn't want to be their 'Tyson Chandler'.....Pau is still Pau and seemed unhappy with his diminished role last year which may even be more diminished this year.

If anyone can keep those guys happy, it is Steve Nash, so we'll see.

StinkEye
08-13-2012, 10:56 AM
I don't think a team led by Steve Nash could have big chemistry issues :shrug: (I ****ing hate the Lakers)

JordansBulls
08-13-2012, 11:03 AM
Don't see chemistry being an issue. The only thing I do see being a problem is a very noticeable decline in Nash or Kobe. If that happens, I'm hoping Kobe will go to Dwight a lot more.

This. With Dwight and Nash these guys are not the type to demand the ball all the time so really there won't be any conflicts there.

Iceman_9
08-13-2012, 11:16 AM
Steve Nash will be the glue to stick them together. He has nothing left to prove in his career. He only wants to win a ring.

Fuddrucka
08-13-2012, 11:23 AM
Obviously with the addition of Dwight Howard and Steve Nash this offseason, the Lakers are odds on favorites to win the west and likely the NBA championship next season. I mean, on paper it seems like we might as well not even bother turning into watch until the epic LBJ vs. Kobe finals match-up that everybody has been dying to see for almost a decade now.

But that said, there is going to be some potentially problematic chemistry problems. Dwight Howard has on more than one occassion said in the media that he thinks he should get the ball more on the offensive end, and no doubt his lack of touches was likely one of the reason he asked for the Magic to fire SVG. But let us be honest. Howard is living in a bubble if he thinks his offensive game is good enough for him to be the center piece of any offence. He has the range of a yard stick and his foot, to me, is unimpressive. And that shoulder/drop/spear move of his seems to be his only move and it is an offensive foul. Dwight make expect more touches, but in reality Kobe should likely remain the first option for this Lakers team.

And then there is Kobe. He has said that this is Dwight's team now in public, but we all know that Kobe likes to shoot the ball, and when the game is on the line, we know he's not going to be passing the ball to Dwight. Kobe has a fire in him, and for better or worse he will be taking more shots than anybody on the Lakers. But not only that, he is used to dominating the ball, bringing the ball up and running isolation plays for himself, and if he's going to continue doing that, instead of playing off the ball, that will take Nash out of his game.

As for Nash, he is a floor general. He like to have the ball in his hands and he likes to decide where the ball is going. Nobody can accuse Nash of being ball hog, he is, after all, a pass-first PG in a league fill with score-first PGs (which is one of the things that sets him apart for other PGs in the league). Will Kobe be taking the ball out of Nash's hands? Will that limit Nash's ability to facilitate? Nash is an amazing shooter and could play very well off the ball himself, but being a facilitator is what he does best. But he is also used to working with centers who have a more varied offence than Diwght. I mean, unless Nash is handing Dwight the ball to dunk it, I can't see Nash getting many assists via Dwight this season. Nash's best friend on the team should be Pau Gasol.

If Greg Popovich was coaching this team, there is no doubt in my mind that Gasol would be the first option on offence. He's such a great passer, like Duncan, he's got range, and great foot work. He's a team first player, and ironically, that may be the very things that makes him ineffective on a roster like this. Gasol will not make waves if he becomes the fourth scoring option on this team, but he is perhaps the most effective scorer on the roster. Nash and Gasol could work magic together, but I expect Brown is going to keep Kobe as the first option, and Dwight as the second, which may be enough to stroke Dwight ego, but let's face it, Nash and Gasol should be running the pick-and-roll together. Gasol should be the first or second option on this team, and he will likely end up as the fourth option.

MWP will round out the starting line up, and he will likely be the easiest to appease. He seems content camping out on the three point line and waiting for defences to collapse so that he can get the ball kicked out to him, which no doubt will happen from time to time, but MWP will have to focus on his defence in order for him to be valuable to this team.

I like the history behind the Lakers franchise, though I was not a fan of the Shaq/Kobe era, and I am not a fan of Kobe, but I love Nash and Gasol (in case you hadn't noticed from this post) and I think this roster seriously has a shot at the regular season wins record if the chemistry is right. But it seems like there are a lot of potential problems with this roster, and I think the only coach who could work them out is Greg Pop or Phil Jackson. Brown is simply not the man for the job.

I can't wait to see this roster in action and I'm sure, whether you love or hate the Lakers, you feel the same. But I was wondering, does anybody else see any of these potential chemistry problems? Or is this just me? And would it be possible for any player suiting up int he purple and gold to win the MVP award with so many stars on the roster?

Thoughts?

as a Laker fan(Knick fan 1st) I'm very excited to see this team on the floor. I truly think all the pieces compliment each other. Yes D-12 was upset with his shot attempts in Orlando but look at the rest of that roster. By far he was the best player on the team and there wasn't a close 2nd. On the Lakers D-12 knows there are better offensive options then him. If he focuses on Defense and rebounding you can give them the Chip now, provided everyone stays healthy

hugepatsfan
08-13-2012, 11:30 AM
Kobe will have to adjust to being more of an off-ball player w/ Nash. I think this could take a little bit of getting used to, but I don't expect this to be a long term issue.

Pau and Dwight are going to have to get used to playing with each other down low. Pau played fine w/ Bynum (although probably not his best). I'm sure the Lakers will structure their rotation so while one is on the bench the other is on the court, maximizing the chance of each to be the focal point down low.

Mike Brown is going to learn much better offensive schemes. No fixing this IMO. He's a horrid offensive coach.

BKLYNpigeon
08-13-2012, 11:34 AM
I hate these stupid speculation threads.


theres no way of telling unless you know these guys personally or if you're part of the team. these players know whats on the line.

Lake_Show2416
08-13-2012, 12:03 PM
I dont see any chemistry issues besides a 10-20 game feeling out process, with Nash everything should b smooth sailing, if Kobe was running PG like usual there would probably b something to work on

Hawkeye15
08-13-2012, 12:04 PM
The following is the only reasons I can think of that would hold them back from contending:

- Kobe or Nash really shows decline
- Injuries
- Kobe plays hero ball, pissing off Dwight/Pau
- Mike Brown

Outside a couple of those happening at once, not sure how they don't contend.

Hawkeye15
08-13-2012, 12:04 PM
I dont see any chemistry issues besides a 10-20 game feeling out process, with Nash everything should b smooth sailing, if Kobe was running PG like usual there would probably b something to work on

watch the overreactions in the media and here if the Lakers don't click immediately...

Dade County
08-13-2012, 12:11 PM
Lakers need to upgrade at the small forward "meaning" they need to get a 3 point specialist... So Nash and that 3 point specialist can have a field day.

Recre8ter
08-13-2012, 12:13 PM
This team will mesh perfectly and if Dwight is healthy they will end with best record in the west. These moves will extend the career of Kobe and save his legs.

Citanoxeno
08-13-2012, 12:22 PM
As long as Kobe does not shoot over 20 shots the lakers will be fine. If he goes into that me ball thing then it will be a long season

bedford1829
08-13-2012, 12:25 PM
This is a great post, but it focuses on two guys who won't get the Lakers rings: Gasol and Nash.

The only guy who truly knows how to get the Lakers the rings is Kobe Bryant. To underestimate Kobe Bryant especially in the playoffs is not a smart move. Do you remember his last game performance against the Thunder? It looked like vintage Kobe out there.


Howard is the second most important person on this team. Without him manning the paint defensively and cleaning up the boards, the Lakers would be even with the Thunder. Howard puts the Lakers over the edge.

Nash is third most important because of his ability to spread the floor with his shot, and his ability to get his bigs the ball .

Gasol is the 4th most important but the 3rd most important offensively.

Its nice to see an actual lakers/Howard Forum with actual substance. This is a real good question and I think you did a quality job of summarizing some of the most obvious issues with this team.

I think with soooo much turnover from last year's team the first obvious question is how long will it take this new team to gel aside from Bryant-Metta-Gasol, you are inserting two new starters (one whom wont be incorporated til Januaryish) and almost a totally rehauled bench. My concern is that Mitch rolled the dice on Howard who he cant promise reups with LA, and that he only has a 4 month window (Jan-June) to get a return on his investment. 4 months isnt a long time for a team to gel---Look at the initial problems the Heat had Gelling year 1. Also, some of the bench pieces are aging.

I think Nash will be perfect for this team as he care score enough to fill the void until Howard comes back and then has the personality to scale back his scoring to accomodate the return of Howard. Nash is a selfless PG which will help on a team where there is plenty of offense to go around.

LoneWolf
08-13-2012, 12:36 PM
Lakers need to upgrade at the small forward "meaning" they need to get a 3 point specialist... So Nash and that 3 point specialist can have a field day.

This doesn't make any sense. You don't need to be a SF to be able to shoot three-pointers. Artest is fine because the team will score a ton and he can be the rugged defender he's always been with the ability to be more aggressive as Howard will be in the paint. Ebanks is another option with Artest coming off the bench. Meeks was signed for bubblegum change as well and he can shoot lights out from three.

SteBO
08-13-2012, 12:36 PM
They'll be okay. Nash is too good a PG to allow this team not to click on offense.

0nekhmer
08-13-2012, 01:07 PM
I can see gasol getting annoyed bc of Howard even tho gasol is the better post player. Kobes ball dominance could upset nash, and turn him into a spot up player.

xxcubs22xx
08-13-2012, 01:34 PM
Yeah, you never know.

Players will have to adjust, that's for sure. But who? And how?

Personally I'd like to see Kobe play off the ball more now. Nash to Howard. Nash to Howard. Nash to Howard.

Kobe can now bail them out when the shot clock winds down :)

BobbyHillSwag
08-13-2012, 01:36 PM
I dont expect any now that Steve Nash is in town, everyone will get their touches, and thay will win the title at the end of the year over miami, gonna be a great year :)

miami wont even make it to the finals:cool:

daboywonder2002
08-13-2012, 01:40 PM
the only issues i could see are can kobe deal with dwight goofy personality? can kobe reign it back when shots arent falling for his teammates instead of his usual takeover let me do this mentality. can howard accept not always getting the ball. he used to complain about this in orlando. fact is though, pau is a better post player. thank god the lakers got nash to see this through

Pistol_Pete
08-13-2012, 01:56 PM
As most people said, I don't think it will be too much of an issue. While Dwight may have stated that he didn't want to be in LA, I strongly think that once he's there, he'll like it and stay. And as much as Kobe sticks to the "it's my team" mentality, I think he knows how old he is and how good the team is and can handle that.

But, while I think it probably won't be a problem, there are a ton of things that could cause a problem. I'll list them below.

- Knowing Dwight is opting out at the end of the season, even if he says he'll stay
- Knowing that Dwight probably still wants to go to Brooklyn even though he can't
- Pressure oh Dwight to follow Shaq, Kareem, Wilt, etc...
- Kobe wanting to handle the ball
- The second someone starts complaining about not getting the ball
- Gasol having hurt feeling of almost being traded tons of times
- Kobe reportedly telling Dwight that the Lakers are Kobe's team and he's the boss

Losoway
08-13-2012, 02:15 PM
KOBE EGO

i really feel the shaq-karl-payton lakers team could have won at least 2 championships

but kobe ego made the team hate him

if the lakers can get a kobe that understands hey i dont need to shot fadaway contested 3 point shots and 1 on 4 jump shots . then the lakers will be dangerous

but it all depends on Kobe

Byronicle
08-13-2012, 02:17 PM
Nash is a offensive chemistry facilitator

Howard is a defensive chemistry stopper

Regardless of the makeup of the team, these are two guys like Lebron James, who wherever they end up, they make the team better exponentially

Kobe is best as a scorer and closer. His playmaking skills will actually relieve Nash from time to time and its not like they will be in the same lineup all the time. Howard's defense and grabbing points through putbacks are things that will not affect team chemistry at all because he doesn't need the ball to be effective

BobbyHillSwag
08-13-2012, 02:21 PM
KOBE EGO

i really feel the shaq-karl-payton lakers team could have won at least 2 championships

but kobe ego made the team hate him

if the lakers can get a kobe that understands hey i dont need to shot fadaway contested 3 point shots and 1 on 4 jump shots . then the lakers will be dangerous

but it all depends on Kobe

lets be real though, this team is better than that team. Kobe had free reign to chuck last year so it wasnt that bad. If he messes this up it could mess up his "legacy"(term used by the non heterosexual media). Im sure he'll be disciplined he has all the pieces in the world, and not only will they be good offensively, they'll be great defensively too. I wasnt really sure about miami dominating the league when they got lebron and bosh but im sure lakers will win the chip this year. They are old though so this may be the last one lol

Fnom11
08-13-2012, 03:15 PM
It's going to be funny when people realize they're not that good.

spurs4#5
08-13-2012, 03:25 PM
Here's there problem...they have no bench...i don't see the Lakers being to much of a problem for the thunder or the spurs

spurs4#5
08-13-2012, 03:27 PM
It's going to be funny when people realize they're not that good.

they're not that good...theyte for sure better than last year...but I don't see them getting past a healthy thunder or spurs team

Fnom11
08-13-2012, 03:39 PM
they're not that good...theyte for sure better than last year...but I don't see them getting past a healthy thunder or spurs team

I agree. I'm not saying they're not contenders but people who think they're locked in over OKC are silly.

DLCK
08-13-2012, 04:00 PM
watch the overreactions in the media and here if the Lakers don't click immediately...

I expect nets and heat fans to come out in full effect

Dade County
08-13-2012, 04:12 PM
This doesn't make any sense. You don't need to be a SF to be able to shoot three-pointers.

smh... WHAT!

I feel that the Lakers starting unite should have a 3 point specialist out their, to complement Howard and Paul low post moves and Kobe driving skills with Nash passing.

If they have Artest just sitting out their, shooting 3's ( is not very good at it ) teams like the HEAT, OKC and spurs will live with that.



Artest is fine because the team will score a ton and he can be the rugged defender he's always been with the ability to be more aggressive as Howard will be in the paint.

I know this... he shouldn't be starting though.



Ebanks is another option with Artest coming off the bench. Meeks was signed for bubblegum change as well and he can shoot lights out from three.

ok

Dade County
08-13-2012, 04:17 PM
Nash is a offensive chemistry facilitator

Howard is a defensive chemistry stopper

Regardless of the makeup of the team, these are two guys like Lebron James, who wherever they end up, they make the team better exponentially

Kobe is best as a scorer and closer. His playmaking skills will actually relieve Nash from time to time and its not like they will be in the same lineup all the time. Howard's defense and grabbing points through putbacks are things that will not affect team chemistry at all because he doesn't need the ball to be effective

But Howard wants the ball... Howard isn't going to be happy just because he is rebounding and putting it back up:confused:

Stop playing yourself.

LoveMeOrHateMe
08-13-2012, 04:18 PM
KOBE EGO

i really feel the shaq-karl-payton lakers team could have won at least 2 championships

but kobe ego made the team hate him

if the lakers can get a kobe that understands hey i dont need to shot fadaway contested 3 point shots and 1 on 4 jump shots . then the lakers will be dangerous

but it all depends on Kobe


Your blaming it on Kobe smh haha your Kobe hate it pathetic that team while talented was never really put together completely the pieces just didn't fit and the chemistry wasn't there but if Malone would've been healthy and if the refs would've been calling it even the lakers would have been champs that year

Fuddrucka
08-13-2012, 04:19 PM
People are hating on the Lakers so much that they have to reach for things not to like about them. It's basketball, stop dissecting peoples feet. What's wrong with Howard's foot for Christ's sake?

ummm I think they were referring to foot work:facepalm:

Gibby23
08-13-2012, 04:20 PM
smh... WHAT!

I feel that the Lakers starting unite should have a 3 point specialist out their, to complement Howard and Paul low post moves and Kobe driving skills with Nash passing.

If they have Artest just sitting out their, shooting 3's ( is not very good at it ) teams like the HEAT, OKC and spurs will live with that.



I know this... he shouldn't be starting though.



ok


What if the lakers iso Nash and Howard/Gasol on one side of the floor and Nash enters the ball to Howard or Gasol. You would have to play them one on one usless they want to double off Nash or from the high post where either Howard or Gasol (the one without the ball) can just dive to the basket for an easy 2.

LoveMeOrHateMe
08-13-2012, 04:21 PM
It's going to be funny when people realize they're not that good.

Hahaha heat fans in denial your right they're not that good because they won't be good they will be great, people don't realize the impact both Nash and Howard will have on The lakers

BKdoubleStacker
08-13-2012, 04:23 PM
you have a ton of experience on the team; with the smarts and experience of nash and kobe I trust them.

LoveMeOrHateMe
08-13-2012, 04:23 PM
Lol at the spurs fan saying we have no bench,with the additions we added we'll have a top 10 bench

Gibby23
08-13-2012, 04:24 PM
But Howard wants the ball... Howard isn't going to be happy just because he is rebounding and putting it back up:confused:

Stop playing yourself.

Who said Howard isn't getting the ball? Pick and Roll with Nash he will get a ton of easy baskets (Ask gortat who was getting 15ppg with Nash). Even if Nash plays P&R with Gasol and gasol gets the ball, he will find Howard for buckets when he reads the D.

Hellcrooner
08-13-2012, 04:26 PM
I think Nash and Gasol are going to build GREAT chemistry, because they see the game the same way, TEAM is what matters.

Can they get KObe and Dwight to buy into it?
Thats the question.

Dade County
08-13-2012, 04:27 PM
What if the lakers iso Nash and Howard/Gasol on one side of the floor and Nash enters the ball to Howard or Gasol. You would have to play them one on one usless they want to double off Nash or from the high post where either Howard or Gasol (the one without the ball) can just dive to the basket for an easy 2.

MAn, I don't have time for this **** (why are you posting me plays man)...

All they need is a 3 point specialist in their starting lineup and their good to GO!

Hellcrooner
08-13-2012, 04:28 PM
This is a great post, but it focuses on two guys who won't get the Lakers rings: Gasol and Nash.

The only guy who truly knows how to get the Lakers the rings is Kobe Bryant. To underestimate Kobe Bryant especially in the playoffs is not a smart move. Do you remember his last game performance against the Thunder? It looked like vintage Kobe out there.


Howard is the second most important person on this team. Without him manning the paint defensively and cleaning up the boards, the Lakers would be even with the Thunder. Howard puts the Lakers over the edge.

Nash is third most important because of his ability to spread the floor with his shot, and his ability to get his bigs the ball .

Gasol is the 4th most important but the 3rd most important offensively.

I have news for you, Gasol has already brought not 1 but 2 rings to the KObe Lakers.

Dade County
08-13-2012, 04:30 PM
Who said Howard isn't getting the ball? Pick and Roll with Nash he will get a ton of easy baskets (Ask gortat who was getting 15ppg with Nash). Even if Nash plays P&R with Gasol and gasol gets the ball, he will find Howard for buckets when he reads the D.

You should have put this in your damn post instead of saying that Howard will just clean up the boards and put back shots...

They will feed the big man alot, thats all I am saying... They will feed Howard more them Paul ( they have to keep Howard happy ), but Paul will be very effective being left open all the time, if the lakers can have 3 point threats out their.

Gibby23
08-13-2012, 04:34 PM
MAn, I don't have time for this **** (why are you posting me plays man)...

All they need is a 3 point specialist in their starting lineup and their good to GO!

They have one in Nash. They also have Howard and Gasol. That is 2 players that can play in the post. They could use another 3 point shooter but it won't kill them. The pick and roll with Nash and gasol is going to cause mismatches everywhere.

Gibby23
08-13-2012, 04:35 PM
You should have put this in your damn post instead of saying that Howard will just clean up the boards and put back shots...

They will feed the big man alot, thats all I am saying... They will feed Howard more them Paul ( they have to keep Howard happy ), but Paul will be very effective being left open all the time, if the lakers can have 3 point threats out their.

Pau will be left open alot and will be effective with Kobe, Nash, Howard, and Artest out there.

b@llhog24
08-13-2012, 04:40 PM
Rotations.

Losoway
08-13-2012, 04:46 PM
Your blaming it on Kobe smh haha your Kobe hate it pathetic that team while talented was never really put together completely the pieces just didn't fit and the chemistry wasn't there but if Malone would've been healthy and if the refs would've been calling it even the lakers would have been champs that year

malone had a 40 point game that year in the playoffs

chemistry was messed up . they all hated kobe .

Losoway
08-13-2012, 04:47 PM
lets be real though, this team is better than that team. Kobe had free reign to chuck last year so it wasnt that bad. If he messes this up it could mess up his "legacy"(term used by the non heterosexual media). Im sure he'll be disciplined he has all the pieces in the world, and not only will they be good offensively, they'll be great defensively too. I wasnt really sure about miami dominating the league when they got lebron and bosh but im sure lakers will win the chip this year. They are old though so this may be the last one lol

THIS TEAM IS BETTER THEN THE SHAQ-PAYTON-MALONE TEAM? whattttttt

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Twins Fanatic
08-13-2012, 04:48 PM
They are all veteran players, I sure the chemistry will come easily especially if there winning games.

Decimotox
08-13-2012, 04:49 PM
:faint:

Don't think that they can't be as good as the 72-10 Bulls... who expected them to set that record before that season? Maybe a couple people, but not a lot. Maybe they'll be better than those Bulls, who knows?

Anything can happen in the course of a season. I'm so excited to see this season though. :D

LAKERS 24/7
08-13-2012, 04:50 PM
Completely agree with everything, especially about Pau. And people want to trade him for josh smith? Ridiculous

49erGiantLaker
08-13-2012, 04:51 PM
Mike Brown. I will go out and say it. the Man is not fit for the job.

This.

Losoway
08-13-2012, 04:52 PM
the lakers will go as far as kobe ego takes em

just look at how happy and good gasol plays when he is not with kobe

Usa Vs Spain

shep33
08-13-2012, 05:05 PM
the lakers will go as far as kobe ego takes em

just look at how happy and good gasol plays when he is not with kobe

Usa Vs Spain

He also had a couple bad games in these Olympics. Played great in the gold-medal game.

I agree with you to an extent though, but most of it goes on Mike Brown

LoveMeOrHateMe
08-13-2012, 06:32 PM
malone had a 40 point game that year in the playoffs

chemistry was messed up . they all hated kobe .

:facepalm::facepalm:

JasonJohnHorn
08-13-2012, 07:39 PM
People are hating on the Lakers so much that they have to reach for things not to like about them. It's basketball, stop dissecting peoples feet. What's wrong with Howard's foot for Christ's sake?

I meant foot work ;-)

flatbush knicks
08-13-2012, 07:41 PM
what is kobe going to do with all his rings

justjames
08-13-2012, 07:55 PM
The biggest problem the Lakers are going to have is MWP being open all the time.

D12 fan
08-13-2012, 08:53 PM
The Lakers only problem will be ego's.

justinnum1
08-13-2012, 08:54 PM
The Lakers only problem will be ego's.

and age

Jamiecballer
08-13-2012, 09:09 PM
Obviously with the addition of Dwight Howard and Steve Nash this offseason, the Lakers are odds on favorites to win the west and likely the NBA championship next season. I mean, on paper it seems like we might as well not even bother turning into watch until the epic LBJ vs. Kobe finals match-up that everybody has been dying to see for almost a decade now.

But that said, there is going to be some potentially problematic chemistry problems. Dwight Howard has on more than one occassion said in the media that he thinks he should get the ball more on the offensive end, and no doubt his lack of touches was likely one of the reason he asked for the Magic to fire SVG. But let us be honest. Howard is living in a bubble if he thinks his offensive game is good enough for him to be the center piece of any offence. He has the range of a yard stick and his foot, to me, is unimpressive. And that shoulder/drop/spear move of his seems to be his only move and it is an offensive foul. Dwight make expect more touches, but in reality Kobe should likely remain the first option for this Lakers team.

And then there is Kobe. He has said that this is Dwight's team now in public, but we all know that Kobe likes to shoot the ball, and when the game is on the line, we know he's not going to be passing the ball to Dwight. Kobe has a fire in him, and for better or worse he will be taking more shots than anybody on the Lakers. But not only that, he is used to dominating the ball, bringing the ball up and running isolation plays for himself, and if he's going to continue doing that, instead of playing off the ball, that will take Nash out of his game.

As for Nash, he is a floor general. He like to have the ball in his hands and he likes to decide where the ball is going. Nobody can accuse Nash of being ball hog, he is, after all, a pass-first PG in a league fill with score-first PGs (which is one of the things that sets him apart for other PGs in the league). Will Kobe be taking the ball out of Nash's hands? Will that limit Nash's ability to facilitate? Nash is an amazing shooter and could play very well off the ball himself, but being a facilitator is what he does best. But he is also used to working with centers who have a more varied offence than Diwght. I mean, unless Nash is handing Dwight the ball to dunk it, I can't see Nash getting many assists via Dwight this season. Nash's best friend on the team should be Pau Gasol.

If Greg Popovich was coaching this team, there is no doubt in my mind that Gasol would be the first option on offence. He's such a great passer, like Duncan, he's got range, and great foot work. He's a team first player, and ironically, that may be the very things that makes him ineffective on a roster like this. Gasol will not make waves if he becomes the fourth scoring option on this team, but he is perhaps the most effective scorer on the roster. Nash and Gasol could work magic together, but I expect Brown is going to keep Kobe as the first option, and Dwight as the second, which may be enough to stroke Dwight ego, but let's face it, Nash and Gasol should be running the pick-and-roll together. Gasol should be the first or second option on this team, and he will likely end up as the fourth option.

MWP will round out the starting line up, and he will likely be the easiest to appease. He seems content camping out on the three point line and waiting for defences to collapse so that he can get the ball kicked out to him, which no doubt will happen from time to time, but MWP will have to focus on his defence in order for him to be valuable to this team.

I like the history behind the Lakers franchise, though I was not a fan of the Shaq/Kobe era, and I am not a fan of Kobe, but I love Nash and Gasol (in case you hadn't noticed from this post) and I think this roster seriously has a shot at the regular season wins record if the chemistry is right. But it seems like there are a lot of potential problems with this roster, and I think the only coach who could work them out is Greg Pop or Phil Jackson. Brown is simply not the man for the job.

I can't wait to see this roster in action and I'm sure, whether you love or hate the Lakers, you feel the same. But I was wondering, does anybody else see any of these potential chemistry problems? Or is this just me? And would it be possible for any player suiting up int he purple and gold to win the MVP award with so many stars on the roster?

Thoughts?

i honestly can't think of a better combination of stars. i don't like any of them, but if i was trying to put as much star power as i could on one team and still have it be a functional efficient unit i think this would be it.

D12 fan
08-13-2012, 09:12 PM
and age

Nah age ain't nothing but a number,it comes down to everybody knowing their role and accepting it.

Dwight said in the press conf. that he was role was to play defense and block shots.Kobe knows he's getting old so he will let Nash run the show and feed Dwight/Pau the 1st 3qrt and the Black Mamba will do his work in the 4th qrt and close the game.

BobbyHillSwag
08-13-2012, 09:19 PM
THIS TEAM IS BETTER THEN THE SHAQ-PAYTON-MALONE TEAM? whattttttt

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

you trying to act like it aint atleast an argument? Seriously, this team is gonna be very close or better than them. The league has gotten weaker. The players arent as good as the early 2000's.

Hellcrooner
08-13-2012, 09:26 PM
THIS TEAM IS BETTER THEN THE SHAQ-PAYTON-MALONE TEAM? whattttttt

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

nash = more fuel in the tank than Payton had......not to mention he has been better.
Pau= MUCH more fuel in the tank than Malone had by that moment, no matter how good he was when young.
Kobe= Similar fuel in the tank than shaq had at that point.

Howard= Early prime, just like kobe was at that point.

Artest = lol, do you really want me to compare artest to frigging DEVEAN GEORGE? ( fox was injured the whole season).

Jamison= MUCH more fuel in the tank than Horace grant had left.

the rest? = i dont see much differnce between todays scrubs vs back in the day scrubs.

Losoway
08-13-2012, 09:28 PM
wow no way this laker team was better then shaq-malone-payton team

Sssmush
08-13-2012, 09:30 PM
Mike Brown is the potential weak link, as well as backup point guard. I think MB will be fine, but hoping one of young PGs rounds into shape.

LoveMeOrHateMe
08-13-2012, 09:30 PM
Losoway doesnt know his basketball lol

Hellcrooner
08-13-2012, 09:36 PM
wow no way this laker team was better then shaq-malone-payton team

the only thing that is worse than 04 team is............

COACHING.

And that can be a real problem.

But talent wise, current A -Team has MUCHO more left in the tank than the Fantastic four had.

Losoway
08-13-2012, 09:36 PM
because i think that laker team was better then this over hyped team?

ok your right

D12 fan
08-13-2012, 09:39 PM
because i think that laker team was better then this over hyped team?

ok your right

:facepalm:

Dade County
08-13-2012, 09:44 PM
The biggest problem the Lakers are going to have is MWP being open all the time.

This...

They need to upgrade and get a better shooter out their.

Aust
08-13-2012, 09:54 PM
Metta and Pau are going to have to hit their open shots

richiesaurus310
08-14-2012, 12:34 AM
This team reminds me of the GP Malone Kobe Shaq Laker team that lost to the Pistons.

kobe4thewinbang
08-14-2012, 01:22 AM
Kobe has no problem with passing the ball.

Look at the SHAQ dynasty. Sometimes, Kobe shot the ball and made great plays. The rest of the time, he was feeding Shaq the ball and doing alley oops and giving him dunks.

I think LA will be fine. I'm still worried about MWP and Gasol's direction from Mike Brown (who I don't think fits LA's playing style of old) especially with this new "Princeton" offense.

Why not just let Nash lead the playmaking and court vision, i.e. pick and roll with Gasol & Howard?

Sssmush
08-14-2012, 03:33 AM
the only thing that is worse than 04 team is............

COACHING.

And that can be a real problem.

But talent wise, current A -Team has MUCHO more left in the tank than the Fantastic four had.

I agree with you bro.

Nash >> Payton

Pau >> Malone

Howard = Shaq

Kobe < Kobe (although in terms of skill, in some ways 2012 Kobe > 2004 Kobe)

Metta >> Fox

Jamison, Hill, Meeks, Duhon >>> 2004 bench

coaching... Phil Jackson has the edge, but maybe MB will just have the sense to get out of the way and let this team do what it does.

TrueFan420
08-14-2012, 05:19 AM
I agree with you bro.

Nash >> Payton

Pau >> Malone

Howard = Shaq

Kobe < Kobe (although in terms of skill, in some ways 2012 Kobe > 2004 Kobe)

Metta >> Fox

Jamison, Hill, Meeks, Duhon >>> 2004 bench

coaching... Phil Jackson has the edge, but maybe MB will just have the sense to get out of the way and let this team do what it does.
I might hate shaq but Howard is not equal to him. Offensively shaq is Ina different league and while Howard might be the better defender you can't teach shaq size.

Sssmush
08-14-2012, 04:00 PM
I might hate shaq but Howard is not equal to him. Offensively shaq is Ina different league and while Howard might be the better defender you can't teach shaq size.

I feel like it is somewhat even, because of Dwight's superior speed and agility.

Shaq was unstoppable, but two points is still two points, whether you smash the backboard or not. Shaq also knocked players around a lot, using all strength.

Don't get me wrong, Shaq was fantastic, magnificent, however plugging in DHoward instead of Shaq, I don't think you are losing much at all, when you factor in offense and defense.