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fadedmario
08-01-2012, 09:37 PM
Is Lopez worth the Max? If not - what (in your opinion), is he worth per year?

smiddy012
08-01-2012, 09:41 PM
Of course not, not even a top 10 center. And really he isn't a center at all.

Bulls_fan90
08-01-2012, 09:42 PM
Not even close. Nets have some laughable salaries on that team. Can they amnesty Joe Johnson even though they traded for him?

Method28
08-01-2012, 09:42 PM
You're worth what you can get

D12 fan
08-01-2012, 09:43 PM
To answer your question,No Lopez is not worth the max,he's a 8mil a year player at best.

_KB24_
08-01-2012, 09:46 PM
Yes and no.

In terms of just money, theres no way in hell he is worth a max contract. But with the relative weak market for true centers nowadays, he got his market price and the Nets were bound to pay him.

xxplayerxx23
08-01-2012, 09:52 PM
:laugh: I love Lopez but no way. He might be one of the most gifted scorers at his position but he rebounding and suspect D isnt worth a max. I for one think he is a top 7 center in the game

Cal827
08-01-2012, 09:54 PM
You should have made a allowed us to see who voted where, so we could laugh at DoMeFavors saying yes to this lol :D

He's a very good offensive Center, but for Centers to be of worth, they have to be defensively sound. I don't care if Lopez gets to 25ppg at the end of the contract, but if he cannot defend the post, then Brooklyn will have problems defeating the best.

DamnGoat
08-01-2012, 09:55 PM
Absolutely not.

c.c.
08-01-2012, 09:57 PM
Of-course not but since the NBA is scarce of good centers now days, its easier for them to get over paid. Plus being that these teams are so competitive, they be bidding more than auctions so what one them won't pay for, another sure will

JerseyPalahniuk
08-01-2012, 09:58 PM
And the answer to the topic is obviously a No. Very few players deserve a max contract. He was going to get one for sure though after being offered one - Nets had to match.

But very few players even deserve one.. not even Hibbert who everyone on PSD says is 10x better

JerseyPalahniuk
08-01-2012, 09:59 PM
Oh and just so you guys now what the OP thinks:

"Brook Lopez is one of the worst players in the NBA"

netsgiantsyanks
08-01-2012, 09:59 PM
as a die-hard nets fan and a fan of brook lopez, **** no.

petersmagic12
08-01-2012, 10:00 PM
I am going to say no for now. however He is still relatively young and before the injuries he was putting up 20 and 8 numbers which is pretty solid to me. If he comes back healthy and puts up those type of numbers again i say hes worth it there are not that many good centers out there. Besides dwight bynum and horford and i guess nene and bogut and maybe noah who else is really a legit center i think brooke ranks right along with these guys besides dwight and bynum.

xxplayerxx23
08-01-2012, 10:02 PM
You should have made a allowed us to see who voted where, so we could laugh at DoMeFavors saying yes to this lol :D

He's a very good offensive Center, but for Centers to be of worth, they have to be defensively sound. I don't care if Lopez gets to 25ppg at the end of the contract, but if he cannot defend the post, then Brooklyn will have problems defeating the best.

His defense isnt that bad. He is average. His rebounding is what really makes him not worth near this amount of money. If he went up to 8 a game and with his scoring potential I could see him possibly being worth this.

JOhnnyTHaJet
08-01-2012, 10:12 PM
Oh and just so you guys now what the OP thinks:

"Brook Lopez is one of the worst players in the NBA"

Just a bit of confirmation for everyone else

vvvvvvvvv

LakersSaintsLSU
08-01-2012, 10:38 PM
helllllll no....mcgee robbed the bank too

IndyRealist
08-01-2012, 11:47 PM
Lopez's best year was his first year. He actually rebounded then, shot a decent FG%, and even blocked shots at a decent rate. His effectiveness has gone down each year.

DoMeFavors
08-01-2012, 11:57 PM
Well thats what was offered to Lopez from Bobcats and 2 potential teams, so it doesnt bother me Nets were over the cap anyway.
And im glad your continuing the Nets threads.

Evolution23
08-01-2012, 11:58 PM
**** no.. he's worth around 12 mil at the most and even that's pushing it

Losoway
08-02-2012, 12:00 AM
these net hating threads are getting out of hand .

is it because we keep making laker stans look bad?

oak2455
08-02-2012, 12:03 AM
you know why these threads are coming out? look at MOST of the Net fans, they do it to themselves :) answer Faded question No ****ing way!!!!

jmoney85
08-02-2012, 12:06 AM
you know why these threads are coming out? look at MOST of the Net fans, they do it to themselves :) answer Faded question No ****ing way!!!!

do what?

defend the nets in every bait thread created by a knick fan? because im pretty sure thats what you're talking about

DoMeFavors
08-02-2012, 12:08 AM
you know why these threads are coming out? look at MOST of the Net fans, they do it to themselves :) answer Faded question No ****ing way!!!!

So that makes it ok for these threads? I find it funny honestly no other team gets attention like this must mean Nets are pretty good!

Losoway
08-02-2012, 12:12 AM
us nets run psd

like it or not

tnewkirk
08-02-2012, 12:16 AM
yes.

bucketss
08-02-2012, 12:16 AM
why am i not allowed to vote?

bucketss
08-02-2012, 12:17 AM
us nets run psd

like it or not

i thought you said you were a heat fan?

Losoway
08-02-2012, 12:22 AM
knicks. nets. heats

every other team can taste shaqs ***

oak2455
08-02-2012, 12:46 AM
do what?

defend the nets in every bait thread created by a knick fan? because im pretty sure thats what you're talking about
Fade is a Pistons fan:facepalm: also says the guy who baits in every single thread Knick related

So that makes it ok for these threads? I find it funny honestly no other team gets attention like this must mean Nets are pretty good!

ohhh and you're good JJ makes you that much better.... :o

jmoney85
08-02-2012, 12:55 AM
Fade is a Pistons fan:facepalm: also says the guy who baits in every single thread Knick related


ohhh and you're good JJ makes you that much better.... :o

I only swing back when someone swings first

njnets
08-02-2012, 01:02 AM
Talent wise, no he isn't. Market wise, yes he is.

He got max offers from other teams and nets needed to keep him. Centers get those kind of deals bc you can't teach height.

If his rebounding improves it won't be so bad.

Many players in the league aren't worth it but FA bidding wars drive up their market value to max deals. That's just the way it goes.

KingPosey
08-02-2012, 01:18 AM
Is he worth it in the grand scheme of things? Maybe, but probably not.

But what makes him worth it is 2 things, lack of talented big men in the NBA, which he very much is, and the dollar amount might help facilitate a trade for DH here after Christmas.

He averaged about 19 and 8+ his first 2 seasons. If he develops he can be a 20 and 10 guy or even more with no problems, and he has some post moves.

Whomewhome
08-02-2012, 01:29 AM
Nets fan here.

NO Brook Lopez is not worth the max. But then again neither are most of the centers in this league. Nor are they worth whatever they are making.

He got what is market price for a Center. Unfortunately for teams Mark Cuban started overpaying centers years ago, and the rest of the league is having to follow suit.

What is worth?
Good question. Who knows. I would say if I didn't have to take the market into consideration, around 5-6 mil a year on a short term 2 year contract max. But like I said the market price is max contract.

Hawkeye15
08-02-2012, 01:30 AM
No, he is not. Only the top 5-10 young players deserve it.

Whomewhome
08-02-2012, 01:31 AM
Is he worth it in the grand scheme of things? Maybe, but probably not.

But what makes him worth it is 2 things, lack of talented big men in the NBA, which he very much is, and the dollar amount might help facilitate a trade for DH here after Christmas.

He averaged about 19 and 8+ his first 2 seasons. If he develops he can be a 20 and 10 guy or even more with no problems, and he has some post moves.
Yep you got it right. Lack of talented centers.

It's simple economics 101. No supply = higher price,

yanksrock
08-02-2012, 01:31 AM
No. Not even close.

Whomewhome
08-02-2012, 01:31 AM
No, he is not. Only the top 5-10 young players deserve it.
Who are they. Who are the top 4 or 5 young centers you talk about?

Hawkeye15
08-02-2012, 01:32 AM
Nets fan here.

NO Brook Lopez is not worth the max. But then again neither are most of the centers in this league. Nor are they worth whatever they are making.

Very true. If you have a pulse at 7', you have a 10 year career and make $50 million. If you are actually a decent player, you are rich.


He got what is market price for a Center. Unfortunately for teams Mark Cuban started overpaying centers years ago, and the rest of the league is having to follow suit.

The trend happend well before Cuban paid centers.


What is worth?
Good question. Who knows. I would say if I didn't have to take the market into consideration, around 5-6 mil a year on a short term 2 year contract max. But like I said the market price is max contract.

agreed.

Losoway
08-02-2012, 01:35 AM
close this dumb thread

Whomewhome
08-02-2012, 01:39 AM
close this dumb thread
Why because some of us can talk without baiting..

I am actually having a decent convo with Hawkeye15

Hawkeye Cuban probably didn't start it but he sure as hell enforced it. He started with Bradley, continued it with Raef LaFrentz and just kept going.


I do keep asking this question to people. Brook Lopez is still 24. When Tyson Chandler received his max contract from the Bulls or very close to max, What had he achieved? Not much is the answer, he had probably just crossed over Eddy Curry in terms of potential but what else did he do to get all that money? At the time Tyson was only worth 5-6 million on 2 years.

It's market value

Losoway
08-02-2012, 01:40 AM
Why because some of us can talk without baiting..

I am actually having a decent convo with Hawkeye15



pause :facepalm::facepalm:

Hawkeye15
08-02-2012, 01:40 AM
Who are they. Who are the top 4 or 5 young centers you talk about?

I said players.

Rose
Love
Westbrook
Griffin

they all deserve it. Lopez is absolutely not even in the convo with these guys.

Hawkeye15
08-02-2012, 01:44 AM
Hawkeye Cuban probably didn't start it but he sure as hell enforced it. He started with Bradley, continued it with Raef LaFrentz and just kept going.

Oh, I agree those are terrible, I am simply saying overpaying really tall guys has been a forever thing.



I do keep asking this question to people. Brook Lopez is still 24. When Tyson Chandler received his max contract from the Bulls or very close to max, What had he achieved? Not much is the answer, he had probably just crossed over Eddy Curry in terms of potential but what else did he do to get all that money? At the time Tyson was only worth 5-6 million on 2 years.

He put forth the NBA's best offensive ratings for two straight years, paint protection numbers you want out of your center, and a TS% off the charts. Lopez is a gifted scorer, but what else?


It's market value

Market value for an NBA center moves around so much, you can't pin it.

eternal slumber
08-02-2012, 01:46 AM
nope.

Whomewhome
08-02-2012, 01:47 AM
I said players.

Rose
Love
Westbrook
Griffin

they all deserve it. Lopez is absolutely not even in the convo with these guys.
Oh yeah in that sense you are right 100%

Here is the problem with the NBA. There is no middle!

If you shows flashes of greatness you are a max player.

There should be tiers.

MAX MAX = reserved for SUPERSTARS (PROVEN SUPERSTARS) LBJ, WADE, DURANT, KOBE HOWARD Carmelo
Upper level = Kids who will be SUPERSTARS and top tier veterans Westbrook, Love, Griffin, Rose, CP3, Deron Williams, Manu, Tony Parker
Mid level = guys who will be here for all their careers (Brook Lopez, Richard Jefferson, Pau Gasol, Lin!
Lower level
Veterans
Mins

Well you get the point

Whomewhome
08-02-2012, 01:49 AM
Oh, I agree those are terrible, I am simply saying overpaying really tall guys has been a forever thing.




He put forth the NBA's best offensive ratings for two straight years, paint protection numbers you want out of your center, and a TS% off the charts. Lopez is a gifted scorer, but what else?



Market value for an NBA center moves around so much, you can't pin it.
Market value for a center has two extremes.

1. You show flashes of greatness - Javalee McGee boom you get a MAX deal or close to it
2. You don't show flashes of greatness - you still get overpaid Kwame Brown

It's sad. it takes away so much from the game but it is pure economics 101

Hawkeye15
08-02-2012, 01:59 AM
Oh yeah in that sense you are right 100%

Here is the problem with the NBA. There is no middle!

If you shows flashes of greatness you are a max player.

There should be tiers.

MAX MAX = reserved for SUPERSTARS (PROVEN SUPERSTARS) LBJ, WADE, DURANT, KOBE HOWARD Carmelo
Upper level = Kids who will be SUPERSTARS and top tier veterans Westbrook, Love, Griffin, Rose, CP3, Deron Williams, Manu, Tony Parker
Mid level = guys who will be here for all their careers (Brook Lopez, Richard Jefferson, Pau Gasol, Lin!
Lower level
Veterans
Mins

Well you get the point

eww.

No, I get the system, regardless if I don't agree with the exact tiers.

Centers who are capable get paid monster money. Fact.

Hawkeye15
08-02-2012, 02:02 AM
Market value for a center has two extremes.

1. You show flashes of greatness - Javalee McGee boom you get a MAX deal or close to it
2. You don't show flashes of greatness - you still get overpaid Kwame Brown

It's sad. it takes away so much from the game but it is pure economics 101

Yeah, you pretty much nailed it haha. But, we can still say it's a ridic contract, with a footnote that it's the going rate, move on.

ThunderousDemon
08-02-2012, 02:05 AM
No, especially considering that he's coming off another injury.

Whomewhome
08-02-2012, 02:15 AM
eww.

No, I get the system, regardless if I don't agree with the exact tiers.

Centers who are capable get paid monster money. Fact.
Yeah I put Carmelo up there to be fair!

Hawkeye15
08-02-2012, 02:15 AM
Yeah I put Carmelo up there to be fair!

Melo does not belong with the elite of the elite.

Whomewhome
08-02-2012, 02:18 AM
Melo does not belong with the elite of the elite.
I secretly agree...

but I don't want Knicks hijacking this thread




Secret code used above! just in case... :) your a mod you should know what that means

NoahH
08-02-2012, 03:16 AM
Market price he is. Kwame is making 6mill, McGee 11mill and Hibbert max then sure

Bulls_fan90
08-02-2012, 03:22 AM
Kwame is making 3mill not 6, McGee is also making 10mill.

Iron24th
08-02-2012, 03:31 AM
Lopez is talented in offense but needs to wake the F up in rebounds and defense.

Of course he's not worth the max, but you know how bigs get easily overpaid now.

YoungOne
08-02-2012, 03:41 AM
bait thread.

agureghian
08-02-2012, 04:07 AM
of all obvious questions that are "thread worthy" this one takes the cake.:facepalm:

Aust
08-02-2012, 04:38 AM
Guessing he's worth 8-12m. This will be a big year for him, hopefully it can be his breakout season.

GoferKing_
08-02-2012, 05:02 AM
What a question even is that? Of course not, he did nothing to earn it. And to those who answered 'YES', you kidding right?

Slimsim
08-02-2012, 05:27 AM
If he stays healthy then its not a terrible investment. Only reason why it's a bad contract is he because he is coming off a injury burdeb season so now we don't know what to expect

abe_froman
08-02-2012, 05:33 AM
god,no.there are only about 10-15 players in the league worth max.has nothing to with him(or hating as nets fans will surely accuse),just max should be reserved for mvp candidates,anyone else is overpaying

Whomewhome
08-02-2012, 06:05 AM
bait thread.
Bait post!

Seriously why do you need to post things like that. How old are you? 10?

Whomewhome
08-02-2012, 07:56 AM
god,no.there are only about 10-15 players in the league worth max.has nothing to with him(or hating as nets fans will surely accuse),just max should be reserved for mvp candidates,anyone else is overpaying
I agree 100% Anyone not on an MVP level should not get max. Unfortunately that is the market and it sucks

LongIslandIcedZ
08-02-2012, 09:18 AM
How many players are really worth their max contract?

I doubt Lopez lives up to his crazy expensive contract, but its not like the Nets had a choice. It was a much better idea to bring him back then let him walk due to financial reasons. The market for Centers is *** backwards. We're getting to the point where there are enough serviceable centers where not every single one needs a max.

BKellz
08-02-2012, 09:30 AM
Top 3 Centers in the league, Hands Down. His Career avg is 18ppg and 8 rpg..You can run your offense thru him and he demands a double team against most teams... Stop just looking at rebounding and look at what he brings to a team.

JiffyMix88
08-02-2012, 09:44 AM
is there really only 7 nets fans here ;)

allSUAVE
08-02-2012, 09:55 AM
Absolutely not lmaooo funny he got yes votes

DoMeFavors have seven accounts?

Da Knicks
08-02-2012, 10:06 AM
eww.

No, I get the system, regardless if I don't agree with the exact tiers.

Centers who are capable get paid monster money. Fact.

LMAO YOU TURNED OUT TO BE SUCH A JOKE!! I actually used to respect your posts now i just laugh at them.:silly::laugh:

NJDrew2
08-02-2012, 10:09 AM
The only thing I've heard about Lopez in the past year is that he's injured and he can't rebound. I just hope he's hearing those things too and he does something to prove this contract. The rebounding thing has been an issue for a while now and he doesn't need to be as much of a scorer now that D-Will, JJ, and Crash are playing next to him.

Pistol_Pete
08-02-2012, 10:27 AM
No. But almost no player is worth a max contract. Probably 80-90% of the NBA is overpaid.

But he's not terrible. Next year he'll likely put up 20/8, which probably automatically makes his a $10mil per year player. I would definitely says he's a top 10 center in the league. 7 footers, and ones who can score, are rare. Yeah it would be better if the Nets had him for less (or had Dwight), but you could certainly do worse, and other teams would likely have offered him the max as well.

Rocketsfan85
08-02-2012, 10:32 AM
knicks. nets. heats

every other team can taste shaqs ***

Bandwagon

Rocketsfan85
08-02-2012, 10:33 AM
Absolutely not lmaooo funny he got yes votes

DoMeFavors have seven accounts?

LMAO ur prolly right

koreancabbage
08-02-2012, 10:34 AM
he's a slightly average NBA player with a knack of scoring as a big man. can't rebound, defense average at beast. but the biggest thing, you can't teach size.

GiantsSwaGG
08-02-2012, 10:48 AM
Hell no

sharqstealth
08-02-2012, 11:01 AM
Of course not... he's worth probably 6mil per year, 1mil per every rebound a game, and that's being generous...

RLundi
08-02-2012, 11:33 AM
Bait thread?

But GOD NO he isn't.

ManningToTyree
08-02-2012, 11:50 AM
No way. His offensive ability doesn't make up for awful rebounding and sub-par defense. He is not a superstar and never will be one. Only stars should get max money. He is a good player and a top 10 center but he isn't worth close to max money.

Stinkyoutsider
08-02-2012, 01:04 PM
He's a 12 mill a year or less type player. A player who's going to make a difference for you with his scoring but is marginal everywhere else. If he was more athletic and was a solid defender and rebounder, I could see him getting close for the max because he would be able to do more things on the court.

He's a specialist right now (low post scorer). He's like what Kevin Love used to be (rebounding specialist) until Love got himself in the gym and worked hard to develop his shot.

I think Lopez could do the same and get better too. But now that he's getting max money in a long term guaranteed contract, lets see if that happens...

JerseyPalahniuk
08-02-2012, 04:18 PM
us nets run psd

like it or not

You can't be a fan of the Knicks and Nets. You said before you would root for the Nets if they got Dwight. They don't have him - go back to Amare

JOhnnyTHaJet
08-02-2012, 06:02 PM
You can't be a fan of the Knicks and Nets. You said before you would root for the Nets if they got Dwight. They don't have him - go back to Amare

He's the definition of a bandwagon fan.

I remember him talking bad about the Nets until Deron signed.

jmoney85
08-02-2012, 10:00 PM
Of course not... he's worth probably 6mil per year, 1mil per every rebound a game, and that's being generous...

:facepalm:

koetravis
08-02-2012, 11:20 PM
He should have never came any where near that kind of money.

oak2455
08-02-2012, 11:34 PM
DoMeFavors voted 10 times thats not fair :))

DoMeFavors
08-02-2012, 11:36 PM
Rasheed Wallace was 1 inch shorter than Lopez and at his best avg 8 rebounds a game. So why do people call out Lopez's rebounding?

X12Celtics3
08-02-2012, 11:44 PM
Rasheed Wallace was 1 inch shorter than Lopez and at his best avg 8 rebounds a game. So why do people call out Lopez's rebounding?

...and Ben Wallace is three inches shorter than Lopez and averaged 15.4 rebounds per game at his best. A starting center should be averaging more than 6 rebounds per game, ESPECIALLY at 7 feet tall. Lopez averaged 6.1 and 4.8 rebounds per 36 minutes the past two seasons, which is quite atrocious for a 7 foot tall starting center.

BKLYNpigeon
08-03-2012, 12:01 AM
Centers are ALWAYS overpaid.... look at what Deandre Jordan got.

How many 7 footers that are 24 years old and getting better in the league? not many.


its better to over pay him 15 million a year then to not have him at all.

BKLYNpigeon
08-03-2012, 12:02 AM
...and Ben Wallace is three inches shorter than Lopez and averaged 15.4 rebounds per game at his best. A starting center should be averaging more than 6 rebounds per game, ESPECIALLY at 7 feet tall. Lopez averaged 6.1 and 4.8 rebounds per 36 minutes the past two seasons, which is quite atrocious for a 7 foot tall starting center.

yeah...but how many centers averaged close to 20 points a game the last 3 seasons? not many.

Gritz
08-03-2012, 12:14 AM
Is Wayne Brady gonna have to Djokovic?

Gritz
08-03-2012, 12:16 AM
Rasheed Wallace was 1 inch shorter than Lopez and at his best avg 8 rebounds a game. So why do people call out Lopez's rebounding?

Obviously because Rasheed was a top 5 ugly player in the league, he gets a pass

AKA TheMamba
08-03-2012, 12:20 AM
NO he is not, but is Kobe worth 28 Million? No, It's not our money who cares just enjoy Basketball for what it is and not for what happens behind the scenes.

tp13baby
08-03-2012, 12:48 AM
I believe max contracts should only be for the elite players in the league.

Lebron
D12
Kobe
KD
Wade when he wasn't all bruised up.
Rose

Players that have them and don't perform up to their max,
Melo, Stoudamire, Johnson, Lopez is laughable,

BKLYNpigeon
08-03-2012, 12:57 AM
Who cares how much money it costs? its not your money. its better to over pay a bit for Lopez then to not have him at all.

Whomewhome
08-03-2012, 01:39 AM
Who cares how much money it costs? its not your money. its better to over pay a bit for Lopez then to not have him at all.
I don't care about money. But I think there should be a difference between What guys like Brook Lopez and Javalee McGee get and what LBJ, Kobe and co get.

MAX is for SUPERSTARS not for 7 footers with 1 skill set.

I firmly believe we no choice but to give Brook a MAX but is he worth it HELL NO! It's just the market price

DitchDat
08-03-2012, 02:12 PM
Personally I don't think he is a worthy of a max contract: his health and rebounding are a huge concern. Then again, big men don't come around too often so he was bound for a paycheck.

LongIslandIcedZ
08-03-2012, 02:18 PM
Definitely not, but its certainly not worth letting him go over it.

They needed to pay up.

koreancabbage
08-03-2012, 02:42 PM
market dictates it. Its a necessary evil i guess.

DTownSkitzo
08-06-2012, 01:59 PM
No. It is simple as that and here is why. Brook is being paid for what he MAY become and not what he is.

Ever watch the show Shark Tank where people with business ideas try to gain investment from a millionaire/billionaire by selling them on the idea? People will say $_______ for _______% of the company. Most people go on there asking for lets say $250,000 for 25%. This means they are valuing their company at $1,000,000. The "sharks" then respond what were your net profits and margins? They usually say something like "$25,000" or so; which obviously doesn't translate to a $1,000,000 business.

I view Brook as the same way. Just like these businesses they have potential to be big, but potential doesn't factor into TODAY's market value. Brook's market value is not worth a max contract, however, in a couple years it could be.

Brook has a lot of work to do on defense and the boards before he can become a max player. Right now he is awfully one dimensional. This is no knock to Brooks, it is simply fact.