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JordansBulls
07-30-2012, 05:08 PM
What have the OKC Thunder done this offseason that will help them get by Miami?

Miami has gotten even stronger with Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis.

justinnum1
07-30-2012, 05:10 PM
Nothing. Hope experience helps them improve.

Meanwhile, miami got ray allen and lebron now know what it takes to win.

greg_ory_2005
07-30-2012, 05:10 PM
Perry Jones of course.

Iron24th
07-30-2012, 05:11 PM
Nothing.

The team who beat them 4-1 is already upgraded.

So, thunder players better improve.

BKdoubleStacker
07-30-2012, 05:12 PM
get older


lol @ rashard lewis, he is washed up

DoMeFavors
07-30-2012, 05:12 PM
They wont be even getting to Miami they aint getting by LAL

justinnum1
07-30-2012, 05:21 PM
get older


lol @ rashard lewis, he is washed up

He sure is, but he is a 8th or 9th option in miami and he can give 6-8 pts a game. I can't think of any team that wouldn't want a motivated lewis for the min.

EDUTEXANS
07-30-2012, 05:26 PM
they got older, that will help, their young core will just get better and better every year

king4day
07-30-2012, 05:27 PM
OKC is banking on experience. They had a lot of firsts last season. I really think they need a post scorer though. They probably should have made a play for Scola. Move Obaka to the 5 and give you more balance against smaller teams.

Also, I don't consider Rashard Lewis a big upgrade to Miami. There's a reason he garnered little interest on the market.
Ray Allen will be a far bigger factor (enough for both of them) as long as he stays healthy.

Blitzbolt
07-30-2012, 05:27 PM
Simple Lebron is better then KD I don't care who the other players are.

bucketss
07-30-2012, 05:29 PM
all they need is time. every year they get deeper and deeper into the playoffs.

DoMeFavors
07-30-2012, 05:31 PM
OKC needs to get rid of Perkins in anyway they can

justinnum1
07-30-2012, 05:34 PM
OKC needs to get rid of Perkins in anyway they can

yea perkins is awful. they will need him to get past LAL. I expect to see OKC again in the finals next year. OKC might win 2 this time if harden shows up.

Iron24th
07-30-2012, 05:36 PM
all they need is time. every year they get deeper and deeper into the playoffs.

So,they're the upcoming 2013 NBA Champions? That's the only way to get deeper than the NBA Finals.

MonroeFAN
07-30-2012, 05:37 PM
what is up with people suggesting that the Lakers will beat OKC?

That's insanity IMO.

justinnum1
07-30-2012, 05:38 PM
what is up with people suggesting that the Lakers will beat OKC?

That's insanity IMO.

I agree. I think it would be a huge upset if OKC doesn't get to the finals. I just dont see the athleticism on the lakers to make it a long series.

bucketss
07-30-2012, 05:40 PM
So,they're the upcoming 2013 NBA Champions? That's the only way to get deeper than the NBA Finals.

personally i think they will the championship this year.

Lakers + Giants
07-30-2012, 05:40 PM
Nothing. Which is why I believe it's stupid to say OKC is the clear cut favorites to win the West. Lakers have improved from last year while OKC hasn't done anything . .

Lakers + Giants
07-30-2012, 05:44 PM
I agree. I think it would be a huge upset if OKC doesn't get to the finals. I just dont see the athleticism on the lakers to make it a long series.

That's the thing though. We didn't lose to OKC because of athleticism. We couldn't finish games. Kobe kept going into Chuck mode and stopped feeding the bigs. Nash can feed the bigs and is still a great offensive player. Antawn Jamison is also better than any bench player that we had last year and he can score, something we needed Badly last year.

King41
07-30-2012, 05:44 PM
hmm maybe it will help them to play with the olympic team
but bron plays there too

DoMeFavors
07-30-2012, 05:46 PM
yea perkins is awful. they will need him to get past LAL. I expect to see OKC again in the finals next year. OKC might win 2 this time if harden shows up.

If Ibaka and Harden arent resigned I think it will effect the team in a negative way.

Utd7
07-30-2012, 05:51 PM
The experience that they gained in itself will help them possibly beat Miami.

yanksrock
07-30-2012, 05:53 PM
Like many before me have commented, they got a year older and the finals wont be a new thing for them.

maddBat
07-30-2012, 05:54 PM
what is up with people suggesting that the Lakers will beat OKC?

That's insanity IMO.

wouldnt say insanity. but i wouldnt b surprised. they finally have a playmaking pg that has kobe gasol and bynum. pretty deadly imo

Vinylman
07-30-2012, 05:58 PM
Maynard will be back

A year older and more experienced

PJ3.... steal of draft

FO will be active at the dealine

JasonJohnHorn
07-30-2012, 05:59 PM
All they really need to do is convince the officials to call the games fairly and they would beat Miami pretty easily, if they can get by Nash and the Lakers.

Dade County
07-30-2012, 06:01 PM
I don't no why you are even worrying about this Super Team OP...

That OKC team is tooooo good, the HEAT will have major problems with them as the years past.

OKC had injuries, they might not have those same injuries next year ( hopefully the HEAt wont have the same injuries either ).

justinnum1
07-30-2012, 06:02 PM
The experience that they gained in itself will help them possibly beat Miami.

For sure, at the same time Lebron has the monkey off his back and now knows what it takes to win. Should be a great season.

Iron24th
07-30-2012, 06:04 PM
personally i think they will the championship this year.

They better do it, cause then harden will be gone, and without him destroying others teams 2nd units, thunder will have some troubles.

JordansBulls
07-31-2012, 08:15 AM
They better do it, cause then harden will be gone, and without him destroying others teams 2nd units, thunder will have some troubles.

They need some scoring downlow as well.

Wade>You
07-31-2012, 08:17 AM
If the Thunder want to win a title, they must improve from within. I say the same thing about the Heat wanting to repeat.

Jarvo
07-31-2012, 08:23 AM
Not a damn thing.

Davidgta1
07-31-2012, 08:29 AM
If they were smart they woulda went after Ray Allen.

3ballbomber
07-31-2012, 08:32 AM
does it matter? u can't beat the refs

Big Zo
07-31-2012, 09:17 AM
does it matter? u can't beat the refs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCADLj0Y1QE

BURAKOBE
07-31-2012, 09:55 AM
yea perkins is awful. they will need him to get past LAL. I expect to see OKC again in the finals next year. OKC might win 2 this time if harden shows up.

They might even win 4 if the refs decide to call end game fouls and not put OKC stars in foul trouble for no reason.

See what i did there.

FriedTofuz
07-31-2012, 09:59 AM
nothing. the lakers are once again ahead of them

dodie53
07-31-2012, 10:07 AM
they should have traded ibaka and harden for dwight

Wade>You
07-31-2012, 10:25 AM
Stay classy, Kobe fans
Nothing.

The team who beat them 4-1 is already upgraded.

So, thunder players better improve.

All they really need to do is convince the officials to call the games fairly and they would beat Miami pretty easily, if they can get by Nash and the Lakers.

nothing. the lakers are once again ahead of them

The goods
07-31-2012, 10:30 AM
They wont be even getting to Miami they aint getting by LAL

Yes!!!!!!! This says it all. Lol

HowBoutDemBulls
07-31-2012, 10:34 AM
They ain't done sheet. But something tells me Wade or Bron tears an ACL/MCL this year.

THE MTL
07-31-2012, 11:12 AM
They got older.

Hoopin&Swoopin
07-31-2012, 11:15 AM
Having Durant, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka playing in the Olympics can't hurt.

justinnum1
07-31-2012, 11:19 AM
They ain't done sheet. But something tells me Wade or Bron tears an ACL/MCL this year.

:facepalm:

Chavacano
07-31-2012, 11:21 AM
Got older.

Rivera
07-31-2012, 11:23 AM
expirence, another year of growth for durant, harden, westbrook, ibaka, and playing in the olympics (all 4) just to train more and get better

BGates29
07-31-2012, 11:38 AM
As long as OKC dont have a dominant post player,they will lose to Miami everytime.Oh and dont sleep on both LA teams out west especially LAC

ChongInc.
07-31-2012, 11:48 AM
Retained a solid young core. Until a quality C becomes available, they're #1 priority is somehow keeping the guys they have.

Heater4life
07-31-2012, 11:59 AM
We'll see how OKC improves from within, all I know is the Heat have added some very good pieces. The Allen signing is HUGE, if Lewis can even be a shadow of his former self its great depth and a stretch 4. Barring health, OKC needs to make a move if they are going to contend against Miami.

LoveMeOrHateMe
07-31-2012, 12:09 PM
They won't be getting past Miami they won't even be getting past my lakers! Miami lakers NBA finals! Lakers in 6!

LoveMeOrHateMe
07-31-2012, 12:11 PM
I agree. I think it would be a huge upset if OKC doesn't get to the finals. I just dont see the athleticism on the lakers to make it a long series.

Athleticism doesn't always win! It's team chemistry plus being smart and physical basketball players! Not how fast or high you jump!

rawz
07-31-2012, 12:13 PM
There so young, they dont really need to do anything. the experience alone will make them better

Lakers4ItAll
07-31-2012, 12:17 PM
Thunder should be doing anything possible to trade Perkins & Ibaka for Howard

TheNumber37
07-31-2012, 12:29 PM
they got older.. okc also has the most players from its team playing on team USA and that helps... they picked up Perry Jones and will get Eric maynor back.

Davidgta1
07-31-2012, 12:56 PM
Thunder should be doing anything possible to trade Perkins & Ibaka for Howard

Harden would have to be in the deal no way the magic only take perk an ibaka.

NBAFan2012
07-31-2012, 12:59 PM
OKC needs to get rid of Perkins in anyway they can

Yeah its crazy. He does not go with the team and he does nothing, well atleast on the road. He is slow, he cant score, at times he cant rebound, and he is just a waste of space really. If I were the Thunder I would amnesty him and pick up any athletic Center from the D-League or something

b@llhog24
07-31-2012, 01:18 PM
Milk.

RLundi
07-31-2012, 01:23 PM
I'm not even sure the Thunder are better than the Lakers at this point.

Longhornfan1234
07-31-2012, 01:32 PM
The Thunder don't have do anything, but just watch Wade decline.

spammails
07-31-2012, 01:34 PM
TBH, they really need to do something. I don't think experience alone can get them past Miami or even get out of West. Spurs still the same team okc had trouble last year. Teams like Lakers and Clippers(they were 3-1 vs okc in regular season) improved.

nickdymez
07-31-2012, 01:44 PM
I like how Heat fans try and sound all high and mighty.

justinnum1
07-31-2012, 01:46 PM
The Thunder don't have do anything, but just watch Wade decline.
Wade will be a lot better next season now that he got knee surgery. Hate on.

Longhornfan1234
07-31-2012, 01:51 PM
Wade will be a lot better next season now that he got knee surgery. Hate on.




:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:



I'm going to sig this.

Punk
07-31-2012, 01:51 PM
I'm pretty sure OKC is more worried about the Harden/Ibaka situation than Miami right now but Perry Jones is a pretty good piece if he can contribute right away and Thabeet might do well under the wing of Perkins/Ibaka mentoring him.

Gritz
07-31-2012, 02:02 PM
Not a dang thing

LRizzle
07-31-2012, 02:04 PM
Man I love the ref comments. Makes me feel so warm and cozy and forget all about my Marlins problems.

OKC better do something, they only got another year left before this team looks very different, probably for the worse. And Ibaka needs to play 35 minutes a game already, I don't know what Brook's problem is.

justinnum1
07-31-2012, 02:06 PM
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:



I'm going to sig this.
Please do.

Iron24th
07-31-2012, 02:08 PM
Stay classy, Kobe fans

What are you talking about?

I said miami who won 4-1 against okc is already upgraded and okc not.

What's wrong with that???

Longhornfan1234
07-31-2012, 02:28 PM
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:



I'm going to sig this.

:cool:

ryang
07-31-2012, 02:32 PM
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:



I'm going to sig this.

Good.. Then we can get a good laugh at your expense.. I love how people on PSD (not the real world) think wade is done and or declining.. He was hurt.. Probably why he had surgery on his knee.. As far as heat fans being high and mighty, didnt win just win the title?? What do you expect after all the **** talking you people have done for the past 2 years?? We also look like the favorites again this year so forgive heat fans for feeling the way we do..

Kobe2324
07-31-2012, 02:38 PM
well they have done nothing, and to be honest if the Lakers get D12 it's not Miami they have to worry about, because they would not be able to hang with this revamped Lakers team if the deal finally gets done, but until that happens miami has gotten a lot better and I dont think OKC could beat them now, i think they blew their one and only chance last year, i thought they would beat miami but clearly not, with ibaka and harden owed some big money soon they will not get better...

nickdymez
07-31-2012, 02:51 PM
Good.. Then we can get a good laugh at your expense.. I love how people on PSD (not the real world) think wade is done and or declining.. He was hurt.. Probably why he had surgery on his knee.. As far as heat fans being high and mighty, didnt win just win the title?? What do you expect after all the **** talking you people have done for the past 2 years?? We also look like the favorites again this year so forgive heat fans for feeling the way we do..

I didn't see alot of cocky mavs Fans.

justinnum1
07-31-2012, 02:52 PM
I didn't see alot of cocky mavs Fans.

I didn't see everyone on PSD talking **** about the mavs and their fans for 2 years.

nickdymez
07-31-2012, 02:57 PM
Because the Heat fans are FAKE. no one was a heat fan two years ago

justinnum1
07-31-2012, 03:04 PM
Because the Heat fans are FAKE. no one was a heat fan two years ago

:facepalm:

There are new heat fans, no one is denying that but to say there were no heat fans 2 years ago makes you look like a fool.

mrblisterdundee
07-31-2012, 03:11 PM
Perry Jones III is the most important addition. With him, The thunder can beef up their defense for stretches, using Durant at shooting guard to defend Wade, Ibaka at small forward to defend James, Jones at Power forward to defend Bosh (unless Collison does it better) and Perkins or Collison to defend whatever non-factor on offense the Heat have at center.
Then there's Hasheem Thabeet, who's a big body that can commit (hopefully) timely fouls on members of the big three.

justinnum1
07-31-2012, 03:13 PM
Perry Jones III is the most important addition. With him, The thunder can beef up their defense for stretches, using Durant at shooting guard to defend Wade, Ibaka at small forward to defend James, Jones at Power forward to defend Bosh (unless Collison does it better) and Perkins or Collison to defend whatever non-factor on offense the Heat have at center.
Then there's Hasheem Thabeet, who's a big body that can commit (hopefully) timely fouls on members of the big three.

Thats the thing. The heat dont play any more "non factor on offense guys"

when the game is close at the end, miami will be playing

wade
allen
james
battier
bosh

OKC had no one to stop lebron, bosh did what he wanted. They had no answer for miami's 3 pt shooting, they were doubling lebron in the post and lebron was picking them apart with his passing. Until OKC gets someone that can guard lebron one on one in the post while not being an offensive liability they will struggle against miami.

And wade did what he wanted with a bad knee.

ryang
07-31-2012, 03:50 PM
Because the Heat fans are FAKE. no one was a heat fan two years ago

A: This is psd.. There are 20 fans per team..

B: Ive loved and watched the Heat since 88.. You were probably in diapers..

People like you need to find another way to insult the Heat and there fans.. We could care less how you or the rest of the nation views us.. We think all of you are clowns.. Do you care?? Probably not..

Go to the upper deck of a heat game and say that.. Or come say that down here.. You wont like the responce you get..

nickdymez
07-31-2012, 03:57 PM
Im 35..........

justinnum1
07-31-2012, 04:04 PM
Im 35..........

Is that a joke?

I can't imagine a competent 35 year old would make such stupid 13 year old comments like the heat had no fans 2 years ago before bosh and lebron came.

strokeman
07-31-2012, 04:35 PM
hopefully they got the NBA to stop the bs and call the games fairly.

SteBO
07-31-2012, 04:51 PM
Ok bro. Keep telling yourself that. The heat fans now were Cavs fans 2 years ago. Your probably one of them. Meanwhile i'll be cocky and have the right to because im a lakers fan. A great franchise with true fans who's been winning for 30 years and will keep winning.
Sooo, what do you think the Oklahoma City Thunder need to do to get to where they want to go next season? Do you think experience will be enough to get them over the top, or do you think they need to make some personnel changes?

Losoway
07-31-2012, 06:35 PM
they did nothing.

legod will finish them

nickdymez
07-31-2012, 07:26 PM
Sooo, what do you think the Oklahoma City Thunder need to do to get to where they want to go next season? Do you think experience will be enough to get them over the top, or do you think they need to make some personnel changes?

No, Yes...... Now quote everyone that didn't stay on topic please.

JordansBulls
08-01-2012, 12:01 AM
hopefully they got the NBA to stop the bs and call the games fairly.

:laugh:

knickfan33
08-01-2012, 05:52 AM
What have the OKC Thunder done this offseason that will help them get by Miami?

Miami has gotten even stronger with Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis.

they got a year older. end of thread.

Run&Gun
08-01-2012, 06:23 AM
Sooo, what do you think the Oklahoma City Thunder need to do to get to where they want to go next season? Do you think experience will be enough to get them over the top, or do you think they need to make some personnel changes?

I think adding a versatile 3/4 defender like Dominic Mcguire would help at least make Lebron work and he's cheap. Also think if Ibaka learns how play the pick and roll like Collison it would do wonders for his ability to contribute on the offense. It looks like youth and athleticism is what Presti is counting on putting them over the top and it's certainly possible.

Adding a post presence would help make it more of a mismatch against teams like Miami, but don't see that happening realistically.

Fnom11
08-01-2012, 06:23 AM
Athleticism doesn't always win! It's team chemistry plus being smart and physical basketball players! Not how fast or high you jump!

Kobe Gasol and Bynum have horrible chemistry. Bynum and Kobe are both black holes on offense lol.

Wade>You
08-01-2012, 07:09 AM
Ok bro. Keep telling yourself that. The heat fans now were Cavs fans 2 years ago. Your probably one of them. Meanwhile i'll be cocky and have the right to because im a lakers fan. A great franchise with true fans who's been winning for 30 years and will keep winning.That sounds really bad. Stay classy.

koreancabbage
08-01-2012, 09:45 AM
They ain't done sheet. But something tells me Wade or Bron tears an ACL/MCL this year.

sorry, you must have gotten Rose confused with Lebron and Wade

LoveMeOrHateMe
08-01-2012, 01:13 PM
Kobe Gasol and Bynum have horrible chemistry. Bynum and Kobe are both black holes on offense lol.

Once again here go the heat fans with their comments that dont make any sense
Smh basketball newbies aka Lebron fan boys

raidersrock99
08-01-2012, 06:42 PM
perry jones

BoSox47
08-01-2012, 06:52 PM
get older


lol @ rashard lewis, he is washed up



hahaha second i saw rashard lewis' name i was waiting for someone to say that, :clap: only took a couple posts

Fnom11
08-01-2012, 08:34 PM
Once again here go the heat fans with their comments that dont make any sense
Smh basketball newbies aka Lebron fan boys

Did you not watch the Lakers last season? You listed team chemistry, Bball IQ, and physical play as attributes needed for championships. Bynum does not possess high BBall IQ or team chemistry in the slightest, Pau is the least physical PF in the league, and Kobe cares more about scoring than winning so his chemistry is too great.

Call me a fanboy if you'd like but at least I'm not a hypocritical homer.

nickdymez
08-01-2012, 08:45 PM
Did you not watch the Lakers last season? You listed team chemistry, Bball IQ, and physical play as attributes needed for championships. Bynum does not possess high BBall IQ or team chemistry in the slightest, Pau is the least physical PF in the league, and Kobe cares more about scoring than winning so his chemistry is too great.

Call me a fanboy if you'd like but at least I'm not a hypocritical homer.

The lakers won 2 championships in the last 5 years homer. With the core of Kobe, Pau, and Bynum.....

thedfactor
08-01-2012, 08:58 PM
Hasheem Thabeet son

bucketss
08-01-2012, 09:09 PM
Perry Jones III is the most important addition. With him, The thunder can beef up their defense for stretches, using Durant at shooting guard to defend Wade, Ibaka at small forward to defend James, Jones at Power forward to defend Bosh (unless Collison does it better) and Perkins or Collison to defend whatever non-factor on offense the Heat have at center.
Then there's Hasheem Thabeet, who's a big body that can commit (hopefully) timely fouls on members of the big three.

thunder try this and i guarantee they will get blown out and in foul trouble a few minutes later.

SwatTeam
08-01-2012, 09:09 PM
I'm here t close this thread out with some logic.

The heat have new fans just like the bulls did in the 90's when Jordan was playing. It's not a big deal people. Who honestly cares? You do realize there is a new generation of kids growing up just like there was in the 90's who will cherish Lebron just as you and I cherished watching Jordan while growing up? Yes, I believe Jordan was better and yes at one time I was a Bulls fan just like 75% of America was at that time. Why the hate for the new "bandwagoning" heat fans. History is repeating itself. In 20-30 years a new superstar will come up and the kids will be all over his jock. In 20-30 years we're going to be sitting around with balding hair in rocking chairs talking about Jordan and they're going to roll their eyes. This is life - deal with it. Just like all the old geezers now talk about Russell and Wilt.

2nd point - you guys realize that Rashard Lewis is basically replacing Juwan Howard on the heat roster right? I think if I got signed to replace Juwan Howard I would be an upgrade for the heat. It's not a bad move. Just more depth and a more capable scorer than Juwan Howard. He's not going to be relied on heavily. Just score more than Juwan Howard or Joel Anthony do - combined - if he feels inclined to. That's like 6-8 pts a game.

OKC did not improve besides drafting PJ3, but they haven't gotten worse either. They'll be OK. But they are cursed until Seattle gets their team back.

bucketss
08-01-2012, 09:12 PM
I'm here t close this thread out with some logic.

The heat have new fans just like the bulls did in the 90's when Jordan was playing. It's not a big deal people. Who honestly cares? You do realize there is a new generation of kids growing up just like there was in the 90's who will cherish Lebron just as you and I cherished watching Jordan while growing up? Yes, I believe Jordan was better and yes at one time I was a Bulls fan just like 75% of America was at that time. Why the hate for the new "bandwagoning" heat fans. History is repeating itself. In 20-30 years a new superstar will come up and the kids will be all over his jock. In 20-30 years we're going to be sitting around with balding hair in rocking chairs talking about Jordan and they're going to roll their eyes. This is life - deal with it. Just like all the old geezers now talk about Russell and Wilt.

2nd point - you guys realize that Rashard Lewis is basically replacing Juwan Howard on the heat roster right? I think if I got signed to replace Juwan Howard I would be an upgrade for the heat. It's not a bad move. Just more depth and a more capable scorer than Juwan Howard. He's not going to be relied on heavily. Just score more than Juwan Howard or Joel Anthony do - combined - if he feels inclined to. That's like 6-8 pts a game.

OKC did not improve besides drafting PJ3, but they haven't gotten worse either. They'll be OK. But they are cursed until Seattle gets their team back.

:clap:

justinnum1
08-01-2012, 09:24 PM
I'm here t close this thread out with some logic.

The heat have new fans just like the bulls did in the 90's when Jordan was playing. It's not a big deal people. Who honestly cares? You do realize there is a new generation of kids growing up just like there was in the 90's who will cherish Lebron just as you and I cherished watching Jordan while growing up? Yes, I believe Jordan was better and yes at one time I was a Bulls fan just like 75% of America was at that time. Why the hate for the new "bandwagoning" heat fans. History is repeating itself. In 20-30 years a new superstar will come up and the kids will be all over his jock. In 20-30 years we're going to be sitting around with balding hair in rocking chairs talking about Jordan and they're going to roll their eyes. This is life - deal with it. Just like all the old geezers now talk about Russell and Wilt.

2nd point - you guys realize that Rashard Lewis is basically replacing Juwan Howard on the heat roster right? I think if I got signed to replace Juwan Howard I would be an upgrade for the heat. It's not a bad move. Just more depth and a more capable scorer than Juwan Howard. He's not going to be relied on heavily. Just score more than Juwan Howard or Joel Anthony do - combined - if he feels inclined to. That's like 6-8 pts a game.

OKC did not improve besides drafting PJ3, but they haven't gotten worse either. They'll be OK. But they are cursed until Seattle gets their team back.

Nice.

I'llhaveanother
08-01-2012, 09:47 PM
Nothing. Hope experience helps them improve.

Meanwhile, miami got ray allen and lebron now know what it takes to win.

Only took him 30 years.

justinnum1
08-01-2012, 09:58 PM
Only took him 30 years.

Yep. Like anyone will be thinking about that when he finishes his career with 4+ rings