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lpdunks8
07-25-2012, 04:13 PM
Edit: Mod, please change the title to "little incentive" not "no incentive"

I know there has been a lot of talk lately about sign and trades because the Magic supposedly may keep Howard and trade him after the season (S&T).

If he understands the new rule below and wants to earn a "Bird Rights" contract, he will defiantly say that he wants out during this upcoming meeting:

"90. Why would teams or players want to do a sign-and-trade?
Teams benefit because they can get something in return for players they would otherwise lose to free agency. For players the benefits are limited. Under previous CBAs a player who qualified could receive a full Bird contract and go to the team of his choice, which encouraged the player to seek a sign-and-trade once he decided to play elsewhere. Under the current CBA a player receives the same contract via sign-and-trade (four years, 4.5% raises) that he could get by signing with his new team directly, and can receive a larger Bird contract only if he stays with his previous team. In addition, it is much simpler for the player to sign directly with his new team, as a sign-and-trade has to be agreed to by three parties rather than two. A player is really only forced to seek a sign-and-trade if he wants to go to a team that is capped-out (or doesn't have enough cap room to give the player his full starting salary) and can't sign him directly.

Another factor encouraging a player not to seek a sign-and-trade is that his new team might be weakened by losing players or draft picks in the trade. So while a sign-and-trade is a useful tool when the team does not have the cap room to sign the player directly, the player and his new team have little reason to seek a sign-and-trade when the player can be signed without involving his previous team."

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q88

Sandman
07-25-2012, 04:15 PM
I think this a narrow way to look at it.

Players obviously benefit by opening up the market to more teams that are over or close to the salary cap.

lpdunks8
07-25-2012, 04:25 PM
I think this a narrow way to look at it.

Players obviously benefit by opening up the market to more teams that are over or close to the salary cap.

Wouldn't it make more sense financially (if you know you're going to leave) to go to your front office (try to keep it quiet for PR reasons) prior to the trade deadline and ask for a trade to one of a list of teams?

Of course; if you don't know if you're going to stay or go, it makes sense. That's why I titled it with "little incentive".

GMEN4EVER
07-25-2012, 04:31 PM
This is only a concern for the major free agents up for a max contract. All other players are still ok with the sign and trade set up. It allowed the knicks to acquire Camby and Felton when they were well over the cap. It's not quite as good as it used to be from the player's perspective, but it's really only hindering the salary of a max contract free agent who wants to play elsewhere. And that's exactly why the NBA made the rule this way. They want players who are valuable enough to get a max contract to take a significant financial loss by signing anywhere besides where they were drafted.

Chronz
07-25-2012, 05:31 PM
So is that why Dwight opted in?

Raps18-19 Champ
07-25-2012, 05:33 PM
If teams don't have the cap, they can't sign Dwight. Hence, you need S&T for him to go on teams like the Lakers or Nets.

/thread.

yanksrock
07-25-2012, 05:46 PM
So is that why Dwight opted in?

Lol.

Who knows with that maniac head case.

IndyRealist
07-25-2012, 06:03 PM
You you want to make market value as a free agent and still go to the team you want that's capped out, you'll do a sign and trade. The new CBA simply took away the "have your cake and eat it too" for max players.

StarvingKnick22
07-25-2012, 06:28 PM
What if he signs an offer sheet? He will be a FA anyways.

StarvingKnick22
07-25-2012, 06:37 PM
And for that matter, in 2013, it will be nearly impossible for the Lakers to S&T Bynum to Orlando since he is also will be a RFA. Unless Bynum isn't in the deal and he leaves atleast days before the Lakers sign Howard.

Aust
07-25-2012, 06:47 PM
Hope more people read this thread.

bholly
07-25-2012, 10:42 PM
What if he signs an offer sheet? He will be a FA anyways.

He can't sign an offer sheet - that's for restricted free agents, and he's unrestricted.


And for that matter, in 2013, it will be nearly impossible for the Lakers to S&T Bynum to Orlando since he is also will be a RFA. Unless Bynum isn't in the deal and he leaves atleast days before the Lakers sign Howard.

Bynum is also unrestricted next offseason. Also, being restricted doesn't really make it harder to S+T someone.

Vinylman
07-26-2012, 12:52 AM
The S&T deals historically were to get max players more money and more years (see lebron and bosh). That is no longer the case under the new CBA. In addition S&T's become even more restrictive next year for teams over the LT threshold wherein they would lose their MMLE and more.