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dc5jdm
07-20-2012, 03:03 AM
Should the thunder retire his jersey? Do thunder fans even care For what he did? This really sucks for Gary all his accomplishments and dedication to the franchise for pretty much nothing. He is an all time great and the thunder keep the Sonics record so why didn't they begin fresh. Here's a list of Paytons accomplishments.
NBA highlights

NBA Champion: 2006 NBA Defensive Player of The Year: 1996 (only point guard ever to win the award, and only guard to win the award in the 1990s) 9-time NBA All-Star: 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 9-time All-NBA:

First Team: 1998, 2000 Second Team: 1995, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2002 Third Team: 1994, 2001

9-time All-Defensive First Team member: 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999*, 2000*, 2001, 2002 (shares record for selections with

Michael Jordan) [29][30]

* Highest vote getter in 1999 and

2000, [31][32] second highest in 1998 [33]

and 2002 [30]

NBA All-Rookie Second Team: 1991 Led NBA in Assists: 19992000 (732) Led NBA in Steals: 199596 (231) Led NBA in Three-Pointers Made: 19992000 (177)

NBA milestones

When Payton retired after the 2007 season, he was ranked in the all-time NBA top 10 in many categories:

21st in points (21,813) 7th in assists (8,966) 3rd in steals (2,445) 7th in minutes played (47,117) 8th in games played (1,335) 15th in overall win shares (417)

Only player in NBA history to accumulate 20,000 points, 5,000 rebounds, 8,000 assists and 2,000 steals in a career

Along with John Stockton and Jason Kidd, Payton is one of only three players to compile 8,000 assists and 2,000 steals in his career

Between 199091 and 200506, Payton was first in the league in total minutes played, games played, and steals, was second in total assists (behind John Stockton), and was third in points (Karl Malone, Shaquille O'Neal). During this span, Payton also led all guards in offensive rebounds. Seattle SuperSonics Records

ranks 1st all-time in points (18,207), assists (7,384), steals (2,107), games played (999), minutes played (36,858), field goals made (7,292), field goals attempted (15,562), three pointers attempted (2,855) and triple-doubles (14) ranks 2nd in free throws attempted (3,726) and three pointers made (917) ranks 3rd in total rebounds (4,240), free throws made (2,706) and defensive rebounds (3,043)

hidalgo
07-20-2012, 03:10 AM
i think because the Supersonics no longer exsist, & the thunder are in okc, it's hard to even connect the Supersonics & thunder. Payton's old team doesn't exsist anymore. the thunder don't really owe him anything because they're their own new team in a different city. he's a future hall of famer, his legacy will be fine

dc5jdm
07-20-2012, 03:16 AM
i think because the Supersonics no longer exsist, & the thunder are in okc, it's hard to even connect the Supersonics & thunder. Payton's old team doesn't exsist anymore. the thunder don't really owe him anything because they're their own new team in a different city. he's a future hall of famer, his legacy will be fine

They are not their own team. They brought their"history with them". why do u think Kendrick Perkins couldn't wear his original 43 in Okc? He had to change it to # 5. 43 is retired by the Sonics.

GREATNESS ONE
07-20-2012, 03:19 AM
Sucks for the Glove.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-20-2012, 03:20 AM
^^^ sounds like u already kno the answer 2 ur question...

SugeKnight
07-20-2012, 03:21 AM
I dont think GP wants his jersey retired in OKC. As I remember, he supported the "Save our Sonics" movement

Trueblue2
07-20-2012, 03:21 AM
If they do retire his number would they put a sonics jersey in the rafters or a thunder jersey? I know seatle owns the team name/colors/logo, but it just wouldn't be right to see a payton thunder jersey up there.

LdotAdot
07-20-2012, 03:33 AM
They are not their own team. They brought their"history with them". why do u think Kendrick Perkins couldn't wear his original 43 in Okc? He had to change it to # 5. 43 is retired by the Sonics.

The Thunder did not bring their "history with them." The city of Seattle owns the rights to the Supersonics. It was part of the deal for letting the rights to an nba franchise go to OKC. Should a team ever come back to Seattle they will be the Supersonics with all the history and accomplishments.

dc5jdm
07-20-2012, 03:42 AM
The Thunder did not bring their "history with them." The city of Seattle owns the rights to the Supersonics. It was part of the deal for letting the rights to an nba franchise go to OKC. Should a team ever come back to Seattle they will be the Supersonics with all the history and accomplishments.
Okay so why dont they let Perkins wear 43? Do thunder fans even know who wore that number? If he cant wear 43 than throw a.banner up there with the 78-79 championship.

dc5jdm
07-20-2012, 03:50 AM
I understand Bennett bought the team and if he had kept the team name as Sonics than I have no problem. The thunder is a whole different name in a whole different state. You can't change the location of historic events lol. A team like the Lakers kept their name therefore they keep the history.

Method28
07-20-2012, 03:51 AM
I look at it similar to the Ravens-Browns episode. The browns moved to baltimore....changed everything. Once Cleveland got a team....they were the Browns again. Thunder should sever ALL ties with Seattle and the Sonics.

Iron24th
07-20-2012, 03:55 AM
If the NBA return to Seattle one day, he'll have his jersey retired, until this moment not so sure.

Gary "the Glove" Payton!

hidalgo
07-20-2012, 04:01 AM
They are not their own team. They brought their"history with them". why do u think Kendrick Perkins couldn't wear his original 43 in Okc? He had to change it to # 5. 43 is retired by the Sonics.

that's weird they keep the Supersonics history, cause i thought for sure the reason they changed their name was because seattle hoped to bring back the Supersonics one day, so seattle kept the name. am i remembering that correctly?

it's eird seattle owns the Supersonics name still, yet not the history. figured it was like the browns keeping their history & the ravens beings their own new franchise with no claim to the browns past

Aust
07-20-2012, 07:00 AM
If they do retire his number would they put a sonics jersey in the rafters or a thunder jersey? I know seatle owns the team name/colors/logo, but it just wouldn't be right to see a payton thunder jersey up there.

That'd be so awesome if they did that

Toastyy
07-20-2012, 10:27 AM
When a team comes back to Seattle they will

ewmania
07-20-2012, 10:34 AM
sad story in deed... when you had such a incredible year... and just like that you're one buyout away from not being remembered

ccg34
07-20-2012, 10:52 AM
The Sonics will be back. Payton said OKC offered to retire his jersey and he rejected the offer. Same thing with Kemp. It just ain't the same. Different city, fans, owner, personnel, etc. Although we drafted Durant, Collison, Westbrook, and Ibaka, they will never be the Supersonics. The foundation was built in Seattle. Unfortunately we never got to enjoy reaping of our rebuilding years. Stern screwed Seattle.Payton will always be considered one of the greatest of point guards of all time.

King41
07-20-2012, 10:54 AM
the glove is epic !

whitesoxfan83
07-20-2012, 06:26 PM
Hopefully they bring the Sonics back some day and Gary can get his jersey retired then.

StarvingKnick22
07-20-2012, 09:13 PM
Two words. The Glove.

ink
07-20-2012, 11:20 PM
Should the thunder retire his jersey? Do thunder fans even care For what he did? This really sucks for Gary all his accomplishments and dedication to the franchise for pretty much nothing. He is an all time great and the thunder keep the Sonics record so why didn't they begin fresh. Here's a list of Paytons accomplishments.
NBA highlights

NBA Champion: 2006 NBA Defensive Player of The Year: 1996 (only point guard ever to win the award, and only guard to win the award in the 1990s) 9-time NBA All-Star: 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 9-time All-NBA:

First Team: 1998, 2000 Second Team: 1995, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2002 Third Team: 1994, 2001

9-time All-Defensive First Team member: 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999*, 2000*, 2001, 2002 (shares record for selections with

Michael Jordan) [29][30]

* Highest vote getter in 1999 and

2000, [31][32] second highest in 1998 [33]

and 2002 [30]

NBA All-Rookie Second Team: 1991 Led NBA in Assists: 1999–2000 (732) Led NBA in Steals: 1995–96 (231) Led NBA in Three-Pointers Made: 1999–2000 (177)

NBA milestones

When Payton retired after the 2007 season, he was ranked in the all-time NBA top 10 in many categories:

21st in points (21,813) 7th in assists (8,966) 3rd in steals (2,445) 7th in minutes played (47,117) 8th in games played (1,335) 15th in overall win shares (417)

Only player in NBA history to accumulate 20,000 points, 5,000 rebounds, 8,000 assists and 2,000 steals in a career

Along with John Stockton and Jason Kidd, Payton is one of only three players to compile 8,000 assists and 2,000 steals in his career

Between 1990–91 and 2005–06, Payton was first in the league in total minutes played, games played, and steals, was second in total assists (behind John Stockton), and was third in points (Karl Malone, Shaquille O'Neal). During this span, Payton also led all guards in offensive rebounds. Seattle SuperSonics Records

ranks 1st all-time in points (18,207), assists (7,384), steals (2,107), games played (999), minutes played (36,858), field goals made (7,292), field goals attempted (15,562), three pointers attempted (2,855) and triple-doubles (14) ranks 2nd in free throws attempted (3,726) and three pointers made (917) ranks 3rd in total rebounds (4,240), free throws made (2,706) and defensive rebounds (3,043)

None of that is a "legacy". Those are accomplishments. They are not the same thing. :facepalm:

Losoway
07-21-2012, 03:05 AM
i believe gary payton rejected the thunders offer to retire his jersey .

he only wants seattle to do it

mjokc
07-21-2012, 03:20 AM
People in OKC don't give a **** about Seattle, their history, fans, or Gary Payton. He played in Seattle, his Jersey will be retired as a Sonic always. Jeez, how many times are we gonna get threads like these. GET OVER IT.

NoahH
07-21-2012, 03:26 AM
yeah Gary Payton refused to have his jersey retired by OKC. Hes waiting til Seattle gets a team again he said

ccg34
07-21-2012, 06:21 AM
People in OKC don't give a **** about Seattle, their history, fans, or Gary Payton. He played in Seattle, his Jersey will be retired as a Sonic always. Jeez, how many times are we gonna get threads like these. GET OVER IT.

Screw you. No need to disrespect us Sonics fans like that. You inherited KD, Westbrook, Collison, and Ibaka. Quit acting like you deserve that team. You are privileged to inherit that foundation.

kobemelo
07-21-2012, 09:12 AM
None of that is a "legacy". Those are accomplishments. They are not the same thing. :facepalm:

my man since when is it not "accomplishments" that create a legacy. Or is championships ALL you consider? :facepalm: at you buddy.

ps. tell me what makes Barkley's legacy then

ztilzer31
07-21-2012, 10:00 AM
The whole "David Stern screwed us" thing is ridiculous. David Stern didn't screw us Howard Schultz screwed us. If we get Sacramento's team, I bet you won't be saying how David Stern screwed Sactown. Just like Sacramento shouldn't blame us if we take their team. They should blame the Maloofs for failing to take a good deal.

Gary Payton would not retire as an OKC Thunder. I wouldn't want his jersey retired if I was an OKC fan either. Let's keep the history separate. Gary Payton never played for the Thunder, and it's not like OKC followed the Sonics before they got a team. OKC is starting a history of their own. I can't wait tell Seattle comes back and we can start a good rivalry. Just like most Seattle fans watching them on T.V. still makes me sick, but that's not the fans fault nor the team. The situation was gross in general.

STOP BLAMING COMMISSIONERS FOR ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING. David stern has one job. Make the NBA as much money as possible. If he doesn't do this job a different owner will. Schultz could of sold to someone else, or made a bigger attempt to get a Seattle native the team, but he sold the team to a billionaire from Oklahoma who had previously stated he wanted basketball in OKC.

GiantsSwaGG
07-21-2012, 11:28 AM
Where's my gloves?

COOLbeans
07-21-2012, 02:14 PM
FIRST BALLOT HALL OF FAMER and one of the greatest ever

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