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jmoney85
07-20-2012, 01:43 AM
this is a pretty BIG deal that hasnt been mentioned that much... this can really impact the tax teams

Monta is beast
07-20-2012, 01:48 AM
Yeah, this is huge in my opinion.

Toxeryll
07-20-2012, 01:50 AM
is this true?

Six-8-TheWizard
07-20-2012, 01:51 AM
Source?

KB-Pau-DH2012
07-20-2012, 01:51 AM
Wow

bholly
07-20-2012, 01:59 AM
Where is this coming from? Is this just you misunderstanding the CBA again, even though it's been explained dozens of times?

Dade County
07-20-2012, 02:01 AM
I like it... Pat will still find away to work the system :)

GoneGuru
07-20-2012, 02:02 AM
sign and trades are complete bull crap anyway, i say good riddance

bholly
07-20-2012, 02:02 AM
Just to be clear, according to Larry Coon's CBAFAQ, and every other report I've read since the new CBA came in, S+Ts do exist under the new CBA.

The new rules say that you can't accept players in a S+T if you're over the apron ($4m above the tax level) and they have to be completed before the first game of the season.

They still exist, they're just more restricted than before.

AKAYaReal
07-20-2012, 02:03 AM
I believe its no S&T for teams over the cap, not teams under the cap.

eternal slumber
07-20-2012, 02:05 AM
I believe its no S&T for teams over the cap, not teams under the cap.

you pretty sum it up buddy.

bholly
07-20-2012, 02:05 AM
These are the basic rules on S+Ts as outlined by Larry Coon:


88. Can a free agent be signed and immediately traded?

There is a rule that allows teams to re-sign their own free agents for trading purposes, called the sign-and-trade rule. Under this rule the player is re-signed and immediately traded to another team. This is done by adding a clause to the contract stipulating that the contract is null and void if the trade to the specific team is not completed within 48 hours. To qualify for a sign-and-trade, all of the following must be true:

- The player must re-sign with his prior team -- a team cannot include another team's free agent in a sign-and-trade.
- The player must finish the preceding season with that team (deals are no longer allowed that sign-and-trade players who are out of the league, such as the sign-and-trade that sent Keith Van Horn from Dallas to New Jersey as part of the Jason Kidd trade in 2008).
- The player cannot be a restricted free agent who has signed an offer sheet with another team (see question number 43).
- Starting in 2013-14, the team receiving the player cannot be above the "apron" ($4 million above the tax level) after the trade1.
- Starting in 2013-14, the team cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade if they have used the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25) that season.
- The trade must be completed prior to the first game of the regular season (sign-and-trades are not allowed once the season begins).
- The player cannot be signed using the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, or any exception that cannot be used to offer a three-year contract (see question number 25).
Source: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q88

There are changes starting 2013-14, but not an outright ban like people keep saying.

bholly
07-20-2012, 02:07 AM
Could a mod change the title to a more accurate 'Changes to sign-and-trade rules starting next July' or something similar?

The last thing we need is hundreds more people seeing this rubbish and believing it without actually checking anything.

jmoney85
07-20-2012, 02:13 AM
if that was in effect this year the lakers wouldnt have nash

PraiseJesus
07-20-2012, 02:32 AM
Boycott

TrAv=MaGiCfReAk
07-20-2012, 07:58 AM
It means for sure Dwight won't ever be a net

RLundi
07-20-2012, 08:15 AM
Thanks bholly for clearing it up.

Jmoney, you should lose your thread-making privileges for a week for producing information without double-checking.

JiffyMix88
07-20-2012, 08:15 AM
^ bingo, unless they make some trades before the trade deadline

yanksrock
07-20-2012, 08:44 AM
Ridunkulous

Mr.B
07-20-2012, 08:49 AM
It means for sure Dwight won't ever be a net

Also means CP3 won't be a Knick

oak2455
07-20-2012, 09:07 AM
Also means CP3 won't be a Knick

True only the trolls think he will.... he's resigning with the Clips

Sportfan
07-20-2012, 09:27 AM
I believe its no S&T for teams over the cap, not teams under the cap.
Wtf? What's the point of that if you're under the cap you can sign him outright :facepalm:

Mr.B
07-20-2012, 09:38 AM
Wtf? What's the point of that if you're under the cap you can sign him outright :facepalm:

Not true, look at the Collison trade to Dallas. The Pacers could have signed Ian Mahimi outright however they also wanted to dump Dahntay Jones' contract (inaddition to wanting to trade Collison) so they worked out a sign and trade sending Collison and Jones to Dallas. They were also able to save their MLE and any trade exceptions they had.

Gritz
07-20-2012, 09:43 AM
if that was in effect this year the lakers wouldnt have nash

That's the only reason you made this thread

King41
07-20-2012, 10:46 AM
hmpf it is what it is

justinnum1
07-20-2012, 10:48 AM
This is what i was talking about with that thread that CP3 can't be a knick.