View Full Version : 90s Playoffs Sonic Conference: 2. Bristol vs 7. London

07-18-2012, 10:49 PM
Welcome to the 90s redraft from the Knicks forum. This game involves players who have featured at any game between 1989-90 season until 1999-2000 season and players should be judged on their primes and not their 90s career.


PG: Andre Miller
SG: Jerome Kersey
SF: Shawn Marion
PF: Cliff Robinson
C: Shaquille O'Neal
PG: Johnny Moore
SG: Jason Terry
SF: Eddie Johnson
PF: Charles Smith
C: Michael Cage
SG: Dee Brown
SF: Todd Day

Offensive Philosophy:

Our offense was built strictly around Shaquille O’Neal. We believe we will have success on offense because we have a perfect balance of offense in the post and around the perimeter. We believe that we really do not have any weaknesses on offense. Everyone knows our dominate Shaquille O’Neal can be if he gets the ball. O’Neal during his prime could easily put up 27-29 points a night. We believe that with our offense he could even put up more. We added Andre Miller who was a terrific passer in his prime. Miller once led the league in Assists with 11 per game. We believe that if you gave him a guy like Shaq in a fast pace offense, Miller could easily do that again. We decided to pair Shaq up down low with Clifford Robinson. We believe the two of them together is a PERFECT fit. Robinson gives us a guy who can spread the floor and knock down both a 15 foot jump shot and a 3 pointer. Robinson was practically an earlier version of Dirk Nowitzki. He was a dynamic 3 point shooter can could score in a number of ways. This will allow Shaquille O’Neal to have the paint wide open to himself. With our fast pace offense, our other two starters, Jerome Kersey and Shawn Marion will put up huge numbers. They were both hustle players who could get up the court quickly. Marion in his prime could put up 21 points a night in the Suns fast pace offense. Kersey was also a strong scorer averaging 19 points per game during one season. We will be a strong team on the offensive glass with O’Neal, Marion’s and Kersey’s rebounding abilities.

Due to the fact that we do not have a strong outside shooting starting team, we added two prolific scorers as our 6th and 7th men. Both Eddie Johnson and Jason Terry have won 6th man of the year awards and have been instant threats offensively. With Johnny Moore being a terrific pass first point guard in his prime, we believe with this type of scoring from our bench, it will be hard to stop us.

Defensive Philosophy:

We believe we might just have the strongest defense in this whole game. Our frontcourt defense is scary. 3 out of our 5 starters have been named to multiple NBA defensive of teams. In his prime, O’Neal was one of the best defending Centers the NBA has ever seen. He could easily block 3 shots a game and could over power guys defensively in the post. Clifford Robinson throughout his whole career was a very underrated defender. Robinson was a good defender in both the post but on the perimeter as well. He was quick enough to guard even some Small Forwards and was good at clogging the lanes with his long arms and stealing passes. Shawn Marion was just a defensive stud. He could defend most PFs and most Guards. He flirted around 2 steals and 2 blocks a game and put up huge Defensive numbers in both Win Shares and Rating. Andre Miller was another solid defender. He was able to cover most PGs so we never will get abused by any star point guard. Finally like Marion, Kersey was a hustler. He wasn’t the best defender skill wised, but his hustle and heart far made up for that. He could defend both SGs and SFs and was quick enough to get steals and make up if someone drove on him.

On our bench we also added guys like Johnny Moore who were dynamic stealers. Moore flirted with 3 SPG numerous times in his career. We also have Charles Smith and Michael Cage down low who were great defenders as well in their prime. Bottom line is we believe no team will be able to outscore us.


PG: Andre Miller vs Derrick Harper:
We feel that although Harper was a great defender, Miller will still have success in an up tempo playing style getting many assists. Miller was not a bad defender by any means. We feel that although Harper will be able to knock down some 3’s, Miller will always be there to put a hand in his face.

Advantage: Draw

SG: Jerome Kersey vs Rodney McCray:
These two players were very similar players throughout their career. In 30 match ups against each other, Kersey’s teams won 18. In those games, McCray played 7 more minutes on average. Despite that, Kersey was still able to rebound and force turnovers just as well or even better than McCray did. McCray was a more efficient scorer, but if Kersey played 7 more minutes, that could have changed.

Advantage: Draw

SF: Shawn Marion vs Bernard King
See this is such an interesting matchup. In his prime, King was one of the best scorers in the game. He was such a dynamic scorer. However in his prime, Marion was the best defending SF in the league. We feel that although King will get his looks, Marion will be able to force him to shoot a low percentage and force turnovers. Marion will also be able to score in transition against King.

Advantage: Draw

PF: Clifford Robinson vs Shareef Abdur-Rahim
In the 36 games these guys matched up against each other in their careers, Robinson won 26 of them. They were both good enough defenders to limit each other’s scoring. Adur-Rahim did out rebound him, but his rebounding would be low with guys like O’Neal and Marion on the court as well. Robinson caused Abdur-Rahim to shoot 42% from the field. Robinson will always be able to knock a 3 against him.

Advantage: US

C: Shaquille O’Neal vs Patrick Ewing
Two dynamic centers against each other. When these two met up, Shaq’s teams went 15-11 versus Ewing’s. O’Neal still averaged 28 and 12 and shot a great percentage against him. Ewing shot 44% against him and was not nearly effective as Shaq. We feel we have a great advantage here.

Advantage: US

Bench vs Bench:

We feel that we have a very strong bench. With Terry, Johnson, Moore, Smith, and Cage coming off the bench we add a little bit of everything. Those 5 guys would be a heck of a starting lineup.

Advantage: US

PG: Andre Miller- Prime Season: 16.5 PPG 10.9 APG 4.7 RPG 1.6 SPG
SG: Jerome Kersey- Prime Season: 19.2 PPG 8.3 RPG 3.1 APG 1.6 SPG .8 BPG
SF: Shawn Marion- Prime Season: 21.8 PPG 11.8 RPG 2.0 SPG 1.7 BPG 54% FG
PF: Cliff Robinson- Prime Season: 20.1 PPG 6.7 RPG 1.4 SPG 1.4 BPG
C: Shaquille O'Neal- Prime Season: 29.7 PPG 13.6 RPG 3.0 BPG 57.4% FG 30.6 PER
PG: Johnny Moore- Prime Season: 12.8 PPG 4.6 RPG 10.0 APG 2.8 SPG
SG: Jason Terry - Prime Season: 19.3 PPG 5.7 APG 1.8 SPG
SF: Eddie Johnson- Prime Season: 21.5 PPG 4.4 RPG 49.7% FG 41.3% 3P
PF: Charles Smith- Prime Season: 20.0 PPG 8.2 RPG 1.1 SPG 2.0 BPG
C: Michael Cage- Prime Season: 14.5 PPG 13.0 RPG 1.3 SPG .8 BPG
SG: Dee Brown- Prime Season: 15.5 PPG 4.5 APG 2.0 SPG 48% FG
SF: Todd Day- Prime Season: 14.5 PPG 4.1 RPG 1.3 SPG


C: Patrick Ewing/Sam Bowie/Antoine Carr
PF: Shareef Abdur-Rahim/Tyrone Hill/Stacey King
SF: Bernard King/Toni Kukoc
SG: Rodney McCray/Reggie Williams
PG: Derek Harper/Tony Deik

07-18-2012, 10:51 PM
this is actually a great matchup. Bristol in 7 imo

07-18-2012, 11:11 PM
Marion and King is not a draw, King is clearly better. Similarly, my bench is better - it's lead by the ultimate 6th man, Toni Kukoc. I'm sorry I didn't have time to do a write up, but I still want to win :up:

07-19-2012, 10:02 AM
Bump :D

07-19-2012, 01:08 PM
i would go with the bristol

07-19-2012, 02:52 PM
How can you not vote for him with that explaination

07-19-2012, 06:14 PM
Normally in a matchup like this the writeup vs. no writeup makes it easy to see the advantages. I just hated that writeup. King vs. Marion is a wash? Marion was the best defensive SF in the league despite the fact that he's never even made an all-nba defensive team? Cliff Robinson was an early version of Dirk?

I'm going to think this over. Shaq's advantage of Ewing is a huge advantage though.

07-19-2012, 06:17 PM

07-19-2012, 10:26 PM
A Chinese saying goes, hard work pays off. http://www.poci.info/jpg1

07-20-2012, 02:39 AM
I didn't really agree with the Shaq/Ewing evaluation.

Yes Shaq teams went 15-11 against Ewing teams, but Ewing was at the tail end of his prime by the time Shaq came around. By 95-96 Ewing's numbers were on a steady decline. We never got to see a truly prime Ewing against a prime Shaq. I think it would have been an even match-up.

Over his first three years in the league Shaq faced Ewing 13 times. Shaq averaged 29.5 pt and 12.5 rb. Ewing averaged 27.9 pts and 11.8 rb. That sounds pretty even.

PG - adv Harper
SG- adv Kersey
SF - King (not close)
PF- Abdur-Rahim (Robinson had a better career, but Shareef had a higher peak)
C- Even
Bench- London (Kukoc is the better 6th man)

07-20-2012, 03:25 AM
Bristol will take this.