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Mile High Champ
07-18-2012, 03:27 PM
Hey guys, Some of you may remember that for the last four years I have conducted a poll at the end of the season that had PSD users vote for the top 10 players at each position. The season is now over and the Heat have been crowned NBA champs which means its time to kick off the off-season player rankings.

A lot has changed since last season. Lebron was labelled by some as Choke Artist in the clutch and now this year had one of the greatest finals performances in recent memory. Let start the discussion since lots has changed since the start of last season. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for one day and than we can carry on to the next best player at that position. I will add more players after each round. I have also included the results of those last 4 years so everyone can see how much things have changed...Enjoy.

REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best

MHC Top 6 SG Head to Head Stats Comparison (CLICK HERE) (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=gordoer01&y1=2012&p2=johnsjo02&y2=2012&p3=ginobma01&y3=2012&p4=ellismo01&y4=2012&p5=hardeja01&y5=2012&p6=martike02&y6=2012)


2012 Off-Season PSD SG Rankings

1) Kobe Bryant
2) Dwyane Wade
3) Manu Ginobili
4) James Harden
5) Joe Johnson
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2011 Off-Season PSD SG Rankings

1) Dwyane Wade
2) Kobe Bryant
3) Manu Ginobili
4) Joe Johnson
5) Monta Ellis
6) Kevin Martin
7) Ray Allen
8) Eric Gordon
9) Jason Terry
10) James Harden

2010 Off-Season SG Rankings

1) Kobe Bryant
2) Dwyane Wade
3) Brandon Roy
4) Joe Johnson
5) Manu Ginobili
6) Monta Ellis
7) Ray Allen
8) Stephen Jackson
9) O.J. Mayo
10) Jason Richardson

2009 Off-Season SG Rankings:

1) Kobe Bryant
2) Dwayne Wade
3) Brandon Roy
4) Joe Johnson
5) Vince Carter
6) Manu Ginobili
7) Ray Allen
8) Kevin Martin
9) Ben Gordon
10) Richard Hamilton

2008 Off-Season SG rankings:

1) Kobe Bryant
2) Dwayne Wade
3) Tracy McGrady
4) Allen Iverson
5) Manu Ginobili
5) Vince Carter
7) Joe Johnson
8) Ray Allen
9) Brandon Roy
10) Kevin Martin

Jarvo
07-18-2012, 03:30 PM
Monta should've been #4

Rivera
07-18-2012, 03:34 PM
this has to be either monta or EG

gimmie eric

Avenged
07-18-2012, 03:37 PM
Montaaaaaa

Chavacano
07-18-2012, 03:41 PM
.sillE atnoM

Scooby-Doo
07-18-2012, 03:43 PM
Anyone who voted for Kobe over Wade as the best shooting guard should be banned from this forum.

Chavacano
07-18-2012, 03:45 PM
Anyone who voted for Kobe over Wade as the best shooting guard should be banned from this forum.

You mad?

sixers247
07-18-2012, 03:51 PM
I went Gordon because i think he plays better D. I wouldn't of put him top ten at all becuase of his injury but since Rose got voted so high might as well. Monta next

TheNumber37
07-18-2012, 03:52 PM
Gordon was in a deal for Paul and monta was in a deal for bogut.

Gordon.

greg_ory_2005
07-18-2012, 03:57 PM
Monta.

GSWFanInLA
07-18-2012, 03:57 PM
lmao Joe Johnson over EG and Monta

mp3
07-18-2012, 04:12 PM
Monta and its not even close to being close

Hustlenomics
07-18-2012, 04:23 PM
Monta Ellis here.

avery bradley should be in a poll he averaged 15 ppg last month of the season and shot 55% from 3 point range

Hawkeye15
07-18-2012, 04:27 PM
Gordon.

VCaintdead17
07-18-2012, 04:29 PM
Gordon. Monta is inefficient as hell.

Ebbs
07-18-2012, 04:31 PM
Honestly would take EG and Ellis over J.J.

b@llhog24
07-18-2012, 04:33 PM
Honestly would take EG and Ellis over J.J.

But you wouldn't take Harden?

Anyways EJ gets the nod.

Kashmir13579
07-18-2012, 04:49 PM
I thought it was known that Monta hurts his team more than he helps?

FraziersKnicks
07-18-2012, 04:57 PM
Eric Gordon

alexander_37
07-18-2012, 04:58 PM
These polls make me sad at how stupid some people are JJ and Monta are overrated beyond belief.

NYMetros
07-18-2012, 05:32 PM
Eric Gordon

MagicBucsSox
07-18-2012, 05:46 PM
James harden Over monta, jj Gordon ? Lmaoooooo gotta love psd. None of those 3 would avg 8ppg when needed most. All have avg over 25ppg before. I'm so sick of this James harden hype. Dude is as overrated I've ever seen.

DR_1
07-18-2012, 06:02 PM
EG. It's called defense Monta.

IversonIsKrazy
07-18-2012, 06:04 PM
Monta & Gordon are pretty even imo. Since Ellis has done his thing for a few years in a row now, Ill give him the nod. But u can't go wrong with Gordon either.

nbrod
07-18-2012, 06:08 PM
Eric Gordon..

SugeKnight
07-18-2012, 06:12 PM
These polls make me sad at how stupid some people are JJ and Monta are overrated beyond belief.

Yea and James Harden is the third best SG :rolleyes:

Ebbs
07-18-2012, 06:28 PM
But you wouldn't take Harden?

Anyways EJ gets the nod.

Not neccasarily but PSD hype has made me hate him.

On a one year basis yea give me Ellis, J.J., and E.G. over Harden. Harden has proven what he is efficient as a 3rd option coming off the bench when defenses are accounting for two othwer top 10 NBA players :clap:

Toastyy
07-18-2012, 06:34 PM
Really? You add Wesley Matthews and Gerald Henderson and not klay Thompson???

Kashmir13579
07-18-2012, 06:43 PM
Yea and James Harden is the third best SG :rolleyes:

What is your point?

Swashcuff
07-18-2012, 06:54 PM
What is your point?

He has none. Harden was voted 4th and is clearly better than Monta and JJ.

alexander_37
07-18-2012, 07:02 PM
Yea and James Harden is the third best SG :rolleyes:

The SG position is weak outside of the top 4.

But not quite sure why you are rolling your eyes??

Aust
07-18-2012, 07:05 PM
Monta. Haven't seen enough out of Gordon yet

SugeKnight
07-18-2012, 07:33 PM
The SG position is weak outside of the top 4.

But not quite sure why you are rolling your eyes??

You say Monta is overrated, but you're probably overrating Harden at the same time.

Knicks21
07-18-2012, 07:37 PM
Lol Joe Johnson at 5, Monta here.

theheatles
07-18-2012, 07:52 PM
Eric Gordon

GoPacers33
07-18-2012, 08:02 PM
Gordon

Chronz
07-18-2012, 08:03 PM
Monta? For what?

Raps18-19 Champ
07-18-2012, 09:33 PM
Gordon

Why'd you change your mind?

Fnom11
07-18-2012, 09:34 PM
I thought it was known that Monta hurts his team more than he helps?

It is known, it is known.

Angry Norwegian
07-18-2012, 09:36 PM
How tall is Paul George again?

Fnom11
07-18-2012, 09:37 PM
I've been voting Eric Gordon since the 4th one. I take him over JJ, Harden, and Ellis. People forgot how good he was before he was hurt.

Mile High Champ
07-18-2012, 09:52 PM
Really? You add Wesley Matthews and Gerald Henderson and not klay Thompson???

Your point being what? I try and add a few players new every time. How about you let the big boys handle this rookie.

alexander_37
07-18-2012, 10:50 PM
You say Monta is overrated, but you're probably overrating Harden at the same time.

Well considring he is better offensively, defensively, and at rebounding ??

BigBongTheory
07-19-2012, 12:09 AM
Joe Johnson and Eric Gordon shouldn't be put in over Monta Imo.

Gordon didn't even play last season, come on. If he would have played more than 10 games last year maybe my opinion would be different, But he didn't.

SugeKnight
07-19-2012, 01:31 AM
Well considring he is better offensively, defensively, and at rebounding ??

Against backups with teams attention on two top 10 players**

GSWFanInLA
07-19-2012, 02:27 AM
Gordon. Monta is inefficient as hell.

I love how this is the argument when Monta Ellis has scored more and shot better over the course of their careers..

btw I'm talking about EG

krrys11
07-19-2012, 04:40 AM
Monta

The guy can score !

theheatles
07-19-2012, 08:42 AM
are we going straight to vote for #8 after this poll? Ray Allen better go 8th

dh144498
07-19-2012, 12:15 PM
Anyone who voted for Kobe over Wade as the best shooting guard should be banned from this forum.

:facepalm::cry::mad:

same old crap being said over and over by salty haters.

:sleep::sleep:

alexander_37
07-19-2012, 01:00 PM
Against backups with teams attention on two top 10 players**

Lmfaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo o

Vinny642
07-19-2012, 01:56 PM
Gordon.... im surprised Ellis is winning right now

VCaintdead17
07-19-2012, 02:14 PM
I love how this is the argument when Monta Ellis has scored more and shot better over the course of their careers..

btw I'm talking about EG

Except he hasn't shot better. EG has a higher TS% and eFG%. A higher Ortg as well, with nearly the same USG%.

Oefarmy2005
07-19-2012, 02:33 PM
I can't believe it's this close. EG is way better than Monta Ellis.

SugeKnight
07-19-2012, 02:38 PM
Monta's inefficiency is blown out of proportion the same way Harden's efficiency makes him overrated. Monta is a leader, he's clutch, he gets the ball to his teammates more than any other SG in the league. His iso D is good, he just has trouble getting through screens. When he's on he is on par with anyone in the league.

If I had to win 1 game, I'm taking Monta over SG except Kobe and Wade.

SugeKnight
07-19-2012, 02:40 PM
I can't believe it's this close. EG is way better than Monta Ellis.

Monta was better than him the year before. Monta played just as good this year, and EG played about 10 games this year

Kefman2110
07-19-2012, 02:46 PM
MOnte Ellissssssssss-homer pick

VCaintdead17
07-19-2012, 02:51 PM
Monta's inefficiency is blown out of proportion the same way Harden's efficiency makes him overrated. Monta is a leader, he's clutch, he gets the ball to his teammates more than any other SG in the league. His iso D is good, he just has trouble getting through screens. When he's on he is on par with anyone in the league.

If I had to win 1 game, I'm taking Monta over SG except Kobe and Wade.


Monta is definitely NOT a good iso defender.

b@llhog24
07-19-2012, 03:01 PM
Gordon.... im surprised Ellis is winning right now

Not that I agree or anything, but Gordon playing in a limited number of games this season really hurts him in these polls.


Monta's inefficiency is blown out of proportion the same way Harden's efficiency makes him overrated. Monta is a leader, he's clutch, he gets the ball to his teammates more than any other SG in the league. His iso D is good, he just has trouble getting through screens. When he's on he is on par with anyone in the league.

If I had to win 1 game, I'm taking Monta over SG except Kobe and Wade.

No it isn't, if more people understood how inefficient he actually his he wouldn't be winning.

SugeKnight
07-19-2012, 03:04 PM
Monta is definitely NOT a good iso defender.

And Eric Gordon is?

SugeKnight
07-19-2012, 03:06 PM
Not that I agree or anything, but Gordon playing in a limited number of games this season really hurts him in these polls.



No it isn't, if more people understood how inefficient he actually his he wouldn't be winning.

Yes it is. If less people blew it out of proportion with their advanced stats instead of actually watching games, Monta would have gone 3rd

nycsports2
07-19-2012, 03:12 PM
Anyone who voted for Kobe over Wade as the best shooting guard should be banned from this forum.

ughh.. kobe way better player than wade bro lol

b@llhog24
07-19-2012, 03:14 PM
Yes it is. If less people blew it out of proportion with their advanced stats instead of actually watching games, Monta would have gone 3rd

Most advanced star users on this site watch games as well, but maybe that's the problem. What you see and what I see and what any other posters on this site see is subjective. Carmelo Anthony was/is my favorite player (Kyrie may change that), and he's still pretty much is, its just that I know how to accurately gauge his worth now. Before I would've said Melo was a top 5 player. Now I can see why others have him ranked 10-15.

tredigs
07-19-2012, 03:16 PM
Monta really is incredibly clutch, I feel like he has been for years and his numbers in the last 5 minutes this year **** on virtually anyone else in the NBA. For that reason I'll take him over EG and his 9 games played. Like I said earlier, EG really needs to earn his place back to take it over anyone he isn't absolutely going to be unequivocally better than after he returns. And I don't see that as the case with him over MOnta.

King41
07-19-2012, 04:19 PM
lol sorry but
you all think that j.Johnson > gordon ? lol

tredigs
07-19-2012, 04:51 PM
lol sorry but
you all think that j.Johnson > gordon ? lol

It's not like it's some laughable comparison where EG is leagues better by ANY means, and we're talking about a guy who has missed ~40% of his games in a short 4 year career - including nearly 90% of the games last season.

Why exactly should EG get the nod over anybody even remotely close to him? I'll personally vote him as soon as I know that no matter what he will be better than "X player" once he comes back. Can't say that's the case with anyone who has gone already, including Monta.

black1605
07-19-2012, 06:11 PM
This is already closed? I would have voted for Gordon.