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waveycrockett
07-18-2012, 12:41 AM
Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS
For those who think you know this stuff better than me, the Rockets do have to pay Jeremy Lin $14.9M in '14-'15. This is a fact.

And all along we thought otherwise :confused:

https://twitter.com/KBergCBS/status/225449558086402048

Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS
Lin counts against the Rockets' cap the average of the three-year, $25.1M contract. But they still pay him $15M in year three.


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What Hou pays Lin and what he counts against cap are two different things. For Knicks, cap hit and salary would've been i-(clap)-dentical.

NoahH
07-18-2012, 12:41 AM
I always thought that was the case

Cano-Montero...
07-18-2012, 12:44 AM
so do we need a thread for this? it has been known for quite some time... same reason ny did not match it...

Chacarron
07-18-2012, 12:44 AM
This is good for the Rockets.

mightybosstone
07-18-2012, 12:44 AM
They have to pay him that much, but he only counts for $8.3 million against the cap. And the dude will easily make that up in the marketing and media attention he'll provide the franchise and the city of Houston.

waveycrockett
07-18-2012, 12:44 AM
so do we need a thread for this? it has been known for quite some time... same reason ny did not match it...

actually it was assumed they paid 8/8/8 each yr while Knicks paid 5/5/15

waveycrockett
07-18-2012, 12:45 AM
They have to pay him that much, but he only counts for $8.3 million against the cap. And the dude will easily make that up in the marketing and media attention he'll provide the franchise and the city of Houston.
If they trade him tho the Cap hit will probably be go back up to 15MM for that 3rd year. Because he will have only been paid 5/5 over the first 2 years.

Sportfan
07-18-2012, 12:46 AM
cpa hit is much more important

EDUTEXANS
07-18-2012, 12:47 AM
They have to pay him that much, but he only counts for $8.3 million against the cap. And the dude will easily make that up in the marketing and media attention he'll provide the franchise and the city of Houston.

this

waveycrockett
07-18-2012, 12:48 AM
cpa hit is much more important

what if they want to trade him?

EDUTEXANS
07-18-2012, 12:48 AM
If they trade him tho the Cap hit will probably be go back up to 15MM for that 3rd year. Because he will have only been paid 5/5 over the first 2 years.

no the cap hit will be 8.3/8.3/8.3. It is a little weird but it is on the Gilbert Arenas' rule

eternal slumber
07-18-2012, 12:48 AM
They have to pay him that much, but he only counts for $8.3 million against the cap. And the dude will easily make that up in the marketing and media attention he'll provide the franchise and the city of Houston.

well said.

rockets-fan
07-18-2012, 12:49 AM
actually it was assumed they paid 8/8/8 each yr while Knicks paid 5/5/15

well I always knew we payed him 5/5/15...but the CAP HIT was 8/8/8 which is the important number, so thats the numbers everyone used.

KnicksR4Real
07-18-2012, 12:53 AM
word homie

setman2000
07-18-2012, 01:01 AM
Let's regurgitate what we all knew a few days ago and start ANOTHER thread talking about the same thing you could probably find referenced in 15 other threads.

FAIL!

Sactown
07-18-2012, 01:01 AM
obviously, or Lin could get traded and end up getting paid like 31 mill lol

LOOTERX9
07-18-2012, 01:06 AM
well if humphries can get 12 million in a year, then Lin can get 2 million more for 1 year. i don't see the problem really. most nba players are over paid anyways

Raph12
07-18-2012, 01:11 AM
Very smart way to scare the Knicks off... Lin is overrated, but he's still a cash cow.

Raps08-09 Champ
07-18-2012, 01:12 AM
It's a non guaranteed year for the last year I believe.

ball4reel
07-18-2012, 01:15 AM
They have to pay him that much, but he only counts for $8.3 million against the cap. And the dude will easily make that up in the marketing and media attention he'll provide the franchise and the city of Houston.


thats if he plays to his potential and is not riding the pine by mid season

EDUTEXANS
07-18-2012, 01:16 AM
It's a non guaranteed year for the last year I believe.

no, it was in the first deal reported, the three first years guaranteed and an option on the 4th year, now it's just three year 25 million fully guaranteed

Cano-Montero...
07-18-2012, 01:20 AM
actually it was assumed they paid 8/8/8 each yr while Knicks paid 5/5/15

dont know where you get that info but the time rockets signed him to that offer sheet it was 5, 5 and 15.. main reason many predicted knicks wont match it because of the contracts they have on that year 3..

GSPftw
07-18-2012, 01:27 AM
This really doesn't matter unless you're Les Alexander, and even then, probably not. The cap hit is much more important, plus the fact that the Rockets at this point won't be over the luxury tax, meaning his salary is what it is, instead of multiplied. That could change by then, of course, but if that's the case, that should mean we got a lot better.

WhiteSoxGod
07-18-2012, 01:40 AM
Ok??? We all knew this, it was not speculated that he didn't. When people say they the Rockets get to average out the salary I am pretty sure everyone meant cap hit. I have been explaining this for weeks but in terms of cap hit. THAT'S what matters.

LOL It's funny that Knicks fans think Jim Dolan is MEGA-RICH (which he is ) but Leslie Alexander is some broke ***. The extra money paid is of no importance it's the cap hit. So when we say The Rockets don't have to pay him $15 million it was in terms of the cap hit...geez READ THE CBA PEOPLE!!!

THE MTL
07-18-2012, 01:45 AM
Who cares about what they actually pay him? Its all about the cap hit.

AWC713
07-18-2012, 01:49 AM
it works agianst the cap like its 8/8/8...which is what matters....

but the owner pays 5/5/15, which doesnt matter to the average fan

Punk
07-18-2012, 01:52 AM
They are way under the cap, so either way they can afford him.

GiantsSwaGG
07-18-2012, 01:57 AM
He's overpaid so who cares!

nyyfan4life
07-18-2012, 02:17 AM
what if they want to trade him?

Then I'm assuming he will be a huge expiring contract if they'd want to trade him after the first two years.

STL Don
07-18-2012, 02:22 AM
I hope he averages 18/4/9 and proves everybody wrong again.
He's got some nice young talent around him to compliment his game.

Just look at what he did to all the Knick players (outside Melo n Stat) in the span where he stepped up as the leader when they went down. I'm hoping the best for him, he's in a great situation in Hou

John Walls Era
07-18-2012, 02:25 AM
Pretty sure this was the same as the second deal. We are all in for a fun season if the Knicks suck, Nets are better and Lin plays near the same level as Linsanity days.

jam
07-18-2012, 03:08 AM
Brooklyn will have about the same number of wins as the Knicks this season. They'll both make the playoffs and both will likely exit early.

The difference is that the Knicks have a much older roster, will face much more scrutiny and are about 100X more likely to implode. It's a foregone conclusion that the Knicks are going to be a mess as long as Dolan runs the team.

The long terms prospects for Brooklyn seem much better.

BklyNyk
07-18-2012, 03:10 AM
That's about a dollar per turnover.

WhiteSoxGod
07-18-2012, 04:24 AM
That's about a dollar per turnover.

Well remember "he saved a dismal season, ignited interest in the NBA among millions of people worldwide, and dropped 38 against Kobe Bryant in the Garden. He had a higher rate of turnovers but "of those same 259 players who used over 300 possessions, Lin ranked 252nd with a 21.4 turnover percentage. Raymond Felton ranked 244th at 19.6 percent. Jason Kidd? 257th at 24.2 percent. Guess who was 256th? Rajon Rondo. 258th? Steve Nash."

It's because he ran a lot of isolation plays, just like Nash and Rondo. You have to read the true stats and not just some box score to analyze a player. He needs to work on some things but he is young and has a ton of potential, sooner not later.

DitchDat
07-18-2012, 04:48 AM
Didn't we know this?

knickfan33
07-18-2012, 04:55 AM
They have to pay him that much, but he only counts for $8.3 million against the cap. And the dude will easily make that up in the marketing and media attention he'll provide the franchise and the city of Houston.

his marketing as rocket is not even gonna be close to as a knick, and i hve a feeling he'll drop off cause that supporting cast, or lack there of, is gonna make things difficult for him.

as far as the contract , yes we always knew that, problem for the knicks was the luxury tax, t could have cost the knicks up to 58 million to keep him for tht one year.

sucks to see him go but i dont blame the knicks, 58 mil for a player whos plyed 25 games and coming off a pretty serious injury, and he wouldnt play at 85 percent? you dont pay that kinda money for a guy who wont play through pain.

knickfan33
07-18-2012, 05:13 AM
Pretty sure this was the same as the second deal. We are all in for a fun season if the Knicks suck, Nets are better and Lin plays near the same level as Linsanity days.

before lin emerged all i kept saying was how much i wish the knicks kept feton and left chauncey with nuggets... knicks will be fine, felton avereged 17 and 9 wthe the knicks, better then lin, the only difference is if melo gos down lin can caryy the team, felton cant. dont forget onc lin went down melo started scoring 40 a game lol.

if nets dont get howard there nothing to worry about

lin will be good, it will be linsanity all the time with houston, not like the knciks where he would b second to melo, but i still expect his output to decline with the lack of supporting cast, and teams are going to have a much easier time exploiting his defence with no tyson chandler to get his back.

ttam68
07-18-2012, 08:06 AM
1. That's a good thing for Houston. Paying someone later = more $.

2. This has been public knowledge the whole time.

3. Even if he's traded, the cap hit will always be ~8M for this contract.

Apophis
07-18-2012, 09:50 AM
At least we know who will be the starting Point Guard for the Western Conference in the All Star Game... If Yao Ming can be voted in while hurt...Watch out west..

LA_Raiders
07-18-2012, 10:09 AM
Good luck with your overpaid bench PG...

wtbaseball
07-18-2012, 10:29 AM
his marketing as rocket is not even gonna be close to as a knick, and i hve a feeling he'll drop off cause that supporting cast, or lack there of, is gonna make things difficult for him.

as far as the contract , yes we always knew that, problem for the knicks was the luxury tax, t could have cost the knicks up to 58 million to keep him for tht one year.

sucks to see him go but i dont blame the knicks, 58 mil for a player whos plyed 25 games and coming off a pretty serious injury, and he wouldnt play at 85 percent? you dont pay that kinda money for a guy who wont play through pain.

Thats funny because Yao Ming had no problem being marketed here in Houston I remember him getting voted into all-star games with 0 games played in the year. But your probably right!

CostanzaNumba0
07-18-2012, 10:31 AM
Pretty sure this was the same as the second deal. We are all in for a fun season if the Knicks suck, Nets are better and Lin plays near the same level as Linsanity days.

Thats about as likely as michael coming out of retirement

GiantsSwaGG
07-18-2012, 10:34 AM
I can't wait for him to guard tony Parker again lol

mavwar53
07-18-2012, 10:42 AM
Seriously made a thread to state the only reason this contract has been talked about since it's been offered? Creator of the thread:down::facepalm:

xnick5757
07-18-2012, 10:43 AM
Thats about as likely as michael coming out of retirement

only the nets one might be in question. lin fits houstons system so much better than the knicks its not even funny. i fully expect him to put up the same or better #s then he did in ny

sep11ie
07-18-2012, 10:43 AM
OP is a joke. We all KNEW that. We all KNOW how to read.

EDUTEXANS
07-18-2012, 10:46 AM
I can't wait for him to guard tony Parker again lol

what about Felton?

KingPosey
07-18-2012, 11:02 AM
Why is "OWE" in all caps?

BKLYNpigeon
07-18-2012, 11:08 AM
if Houstons cap hit is 8 million a year on Lin. why didnt they structure the contract 1/1/23 so the Knicks really cant match it.

everyone is reporting that Houston will be paying Lin 15mil on his 3rd year, and will be the highest paid player on the team.

whitvalid
07-18-2012, 11:19 AM
I thought it was 14.89 M

sep11ie
07-18-2012, 11:25 AM
^lol

rhino17
07-18-2012, 11:38 AM
his marketing as rocket is not even gonna be close to as a knick

Is this a joke? The Rockets are China's team, do you realize how much money he is gonna make from Chinese endorsements? Even the crappiest of rockets players get substantial Chinese endorsements

torocan
07-18-2012, 12:24 PM
if Houstons cap hit is 8 million a year on Lin. why didnt they structure the contract 1/1/23 so the Knicks really cant match it.

everyone is reporting that Houston will be paying Lin 15mil on his 3rd year, and will be the highest paid player on the team.

Maybe because the Max is $15M?

torocan
07-18-2012, 12:31 PM
before lin emerged all i kept saying was how much i wish the knicks kept feton and left chauncey with nuggets... knicks will be fine, felton avereged 17 and 9 wthe the knicks, better then lin, the only difference is if melo gos down lin can caryy the team, felton cant. dont forget onc lin went down melo started scoring 40 a game lol.

Honestly, I don't see Felton anywhere near those numbers. Not only was he playing in the D'Antoni system (PG Centric), he was averaging 38.5 minutes per game. Cut that down to 30 and his stats will most likely come down significantly.

Not to mention, he'll be feeding STAT/Melo alot, so expect a bit of juggling between PPG and APG.


lin will be good, it will be linsanity all the time with houston, not like the knciks where he would b second to melo, but i still expect his output to decline with the lack of supporting cast, and teams are going to have a much easier time exploiting his defence with no tyson chandler to get his back.

Interestingly, I think it will be the opposite. Houston is very PG oriented, and if he's the #1 or #2 shooting option, I expect his numbers to improve.

Either way, whether he's putting up 25/10 or 10/5, people are going to interpret it however they want.

If Lin put up 20/10, half would say it's because he's the only scorer in a PG focussed offense so you can't take it seriously. The other half would say it's because he can finally play his game.

Observer Bias. Isn't it wonderful?