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natsbats
07-15-2012, 09:31 AM
If he keeps up his pace?

wRC - Andrew 186.....Griffey 152

wOBA - Andrew .445......Griffey .427

OPS - Andrew 1.060.... Griffey 1.020

Stolen bases - Andrew 28..... Griffey 16

Home Runs - Andrew 37....Griffey 49


I think we need to start putting into perspective how legendary a season McCutchen is having thus far.

corky831
07-15-2012, 09:46 AM
He's definitely been a beast and prob in the lead for mvp

JNev
07-15-2012, 11:47 AM
The guy is simply unreal and a real privilege to watch. I love him and his sexy *** dreads to death

GamerFTW
07-15-2012, 11:57 AM
I really hope he wins NL MVP he's a beast

UPRock
07-15-2012, 11:59 AM
If he wins the MVP he's going to be the first Pirates MVP since Roberto Clemente, right?

ztilzer31
07-15-2012, 12:12 PM
He's got a little ways to go to be in junior's class, but those are some solid number. Nice to see the Pirates have a superstar AND resigned him in the off-season.

sexicano31
07-15-2012, 12:33 PM
Can you say that with confidence?

Mitchell133
07-15-2012, 12:34 PM
Stop it, cutch cannot be compared to kgj.

sexicano31
07-15-2012, 12:34 PM
If he wins the MVP he's going to be the first Pirates MVP since Roberto Clemente, right?

Bonds in 1990

Jeffy25
07-15-2012, 12:58 PM
If he keeps up his pace?



I think we need to start putting into perspective how legendary a season McCutchen is having thus far.

If he keeps up this pace

His wRC+ of 186 would be 120th best of all time for a single season
His wOBA of .445 would be 332nd best of all time for a single season

His wRC+ of 186 would be 17th best of all time for a single season by a centerfielder
His .445 wOBA would be 54th best of all time for a single season by a center fielder

And this is assuming he maintains this pace with a .409 babip which has not been done for a full season since 1924 when Rogers Hornsby did it.


It's a great season, but it won't be a legendary season in the perspective of baseball history.

The SF Giant
07-15-2012, 01:26 PM
Bonds in 1990

and 1992

todu82
07-15-2012, 01:28 PM
Mccutchen's having a great season. Great to see him doing so well and the Pirates becoming relevant again.

natsbats
07-15-2012, 01:38 PM
If he keeps up this pace

His wRC+ of 186 would be 120th best of all time for a single season
His wOBA of .445 would be 332nd best of all time for a single season

His wRC+ of 186 would be 17th best of all time for a single season by a centerfielder
His .445 wOBA would be 54th best of all time for a single season by a center fielder

And this is assuming he maintains this pace with a .409 babip which has not been done for a full season since 1924 when Rogers Hornsby did it.


It's a great season, but it won't be a legendary season in the perspective of baseball history.

In the last 30+ years of center fielders McCutchen is:

1st is wRC+ at 186...next best is Hamilton '10 at 178....and I don't really classify him as a center fielder, he played like half his games at center if I remember correctly.

2nd in wOBA behind '10 Hamilton, again...I don't classify him as a center fielder that year.

Those numbers speak for themselves.

Jeffy25
07-15-2012, 02:08 PM
In the last 30+ years of center fielders McCutchen is:

1st is wRC+ at 186...next best is Hamilton '10 at 178....and I don't really classify him as a center fielder, he played like half his games at center if I remember correctly.

2nd in wOBA behind '10 Hamilton, again...I don't classify him as a center fielder that year.

Those numbers speak for themselves.

Think he is going to maintain his .409 BABIP? The best since Hornsby in 1924

JNev
07-15-2012, 03:16 PM
Cutch homers again... 5th HR in 4 games

JNev
07-15-2012, 03:17 PM
Now has highest BA, SLG%, & OPS in baseball

Zep
07-19-2012, 01:07 PM
Think he is going to maintain his .409 BABIP? The best since Hornsby in 1924

Seriously, both he and Trout have BABIP's in the stratosphere. Both are proving to be special talents but those numbers will come back to earth at some point.

5Toolster
07-20-2012, 12:08 PM
I need to wait for the season to end first... I just don't think he can keep up this pace.

McCutchen is playing out his mind now, It just amazes me how a short skinny guy like McCutchen can generate so much power.

Pinstripe pride
07-20-2012, 02:17 PM
griffy was good at baseball

WOwolfOL
07-24-2012, 04:04 AM
Seriously, both he and Trout have BABIP's in the stratosphere. Both are proving to be special talents but those numbers will come back to earth at some point.

Difference is Cutch never produced a 400 at any level and Trout did... at 3 different levels when he logged significant PA. IMO, Trout is much more likely to maintain ridiculous BABIP every year.

WadeKobe
07-24-2012, 08:00 PM
Difference is Cutch never produced a 400 at any level and Trout did... at 3 different levels when he logged significant PA. IMO, Trout is much more likely to maintain ridiculous BABIP every year.

:confused: Not true at all.

Trout has never produced a .400+ BABIP when logging over 400 PA, and through 3 different seasons with 200+ PA, he only produced a .400+ BABIP one time.

Plus, this is the MLB, not the MiLB. It really is a huge difference. He may maintain a great BABIP, no doubt. But .370 seems a pretty good ceiling most years.

WOwolfOL
07-25-2012, 12:00 AM
Ok so you split hairs... Fact is, in the seasons where he logged 350 PA he maintained at least a 390 BABIP and one was 397. But, given that Cutch never did it, my money is on Trout to sustain it. Trout has had no problems staying above 370 when he logs significant PA. I don't think the usual logic applies to him to be honest.

Cutch is about 100 pts over his BABIP high... Trout is close to 400 ML PA this year and his BABIP isn't far off from the results he achieved in Milb.

WadeKobe
07-25-2012, 12:20 PM
Ok so you split hairs... Fact is, in the seasons where he logged 350 PA he maintained at least a 390 BABIP and one was 397. But, given that Cutch never did it, my money is on Trout to sustain it. Trout has had no problems staying above 370 when he logs significant PA. I don't think the usual logic applies to him to be honest.

Cutch is about 100 pts over his BABIP high... Trout is close to 400 ML PA this year and his BABIP isn't far off from the results he achieved in Milb.

There's only one player in modern baseball who has career numbers at that level (.375), and that is Austin Jackson. We'll see. Standard logic applies to everyone, this is the MLB. Sorry to break your homer heart.

WOwolfOL
07-25-2012, 01:59 PM
No reason to go there lol I'm a Cubs fan. Start accepting the fact that Trout's BABIP is going to be 'abnormally high' probably every season.

WadeKobe
07-25-2012, 02:29 PM
No reason to go there lol I'm a Cubs fan. Start accepting the fact that Trout's BABIP is going to be 'abnormally high' probably every season.

Your team has nothing to do with what players you are a "homer" for. I'm fine with it being "abnormally high." I will not accept, however, that it is going to be "uniquely high." There is a huge difference there. You're asking me to accept the latter.... no thanks. I'll believe that when i see it.