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MELO 15
07-13-2012, 02:10 PM
With USA team assembled the way it is now, and two secounds left on the clock, 4th qtr, with your life on the line who do u want taking the last shot, whether to tie or win it all, I am not being a homer when I say Melo, what's your thoughts, and can somebody add a poll, cause I have no idea how.

Badluck33
07-13-2012, 02:12 PM
not LBJ.

Kobe.

mRc08
07-13-2012, 02:13 PM
Anthony Davis....dude is the next KG

LongIslandIcedZ
07-13-2012, 02:14 PM
Kobe/Melo/Durant

Their all amazing players, I'm pretty confident in whoever gets the shot.

U1timateCubsFan
07-13-2012, 02:15 PM
not LBJ.

Kobe.

I like how you chose to go outta your way to say not LBJ rather than simply saying Kobe. Some real butthurt bulls fans out there. LMAO

As for the question...I'm goin with Durant

Delusional
07-13-2012, 02:16 PM
For the last shot to win? Kobe. For the final four or five minute stretch to come from behind? Durant.

Cal827
07-13-2012, 02:16 PM
As much as I dislike him: Melo

Dude's got ice in his veins.

Hawkeye15
07-13-2012, 02:16 PM
Kevin Love

Oefarmy2005
07-13-2012, 02:16 PM
Durant, easily

ChicagoJ
07-13-2012, 02:19 PM
Durant.

HaruSoul
07-13-2012, 02:21 PM
Shots attempted with under 24 seconds left in 4th quarter or ot trailing by two or less in regular season and playoffs (from 00-01 season until now)

Carmelo Anthony - 51% (25 for 49)
Chris Paul - 41% (13 for 32)
LeBron James - 31% (21 for 68)
Kobe Bryant - 30% (31 for 103)
Kevin Durant - 24% (11 for 45)

blastmasta26
07-13-2012, 02:24 PM
Durant because he will hit a three to win :cool:

MELO 15
07-13-2012, 02:27 PM
Scalabrine is the obvious choice.

Oh yeah scalabrine is on team USA, great pic:facepalm:

MrfadeawayJB
07-13-2012, 02:28 PM
Obviously whoever has the hot hand. It could have been Andre Iguodala judging from last night!

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-13-2012, 02:30 PM
Lol @ ppl who choose Kobe.

KB-Pau-DH2012
07-13-2012, 02:31 PM
Lol @ ppl who choose Kobe.

Umm....okay..... :eyebrow:


Anyways..

I'll have to go with KD with Kobe a close 2nd.

bearadonisdna
07-13-2012, 02:33 PM
Im going with Durant.

ThunderousDemon
07-13-2012, 02:34 PM
With USA team assembled the way it is now, and two secounds left on the clock, 4th qtr, with your life on the line who do u want taking the last shot, whether to tie or win it all, I am not being a homer when I say Melo, what's your thoughts, and can somebody add a poll, cause I have no idea how.

:speechless: :faint: Really, you picked Carmelo Anthony!

ThunderousDemon
07-13-2012, 02:35 PM
Durant or Kobe.

justinnum1
07-13-2012, 02:35 PM
Kd

Hustlenomics
07-13-2012, 02:35 PM
i rather it be the players lives on the line in that case my list would go
Durant
Kobe
Melo

HaruSoul
07-13-2012, 02:38 PM
Going Melo based on the numbers.

raidersrock99
07-13-2012, 02:39 PM
obviously melo. but i would trust kobe as well after being a kings fan all these years

bearadonisdna
07-13-2012, 02:40 PM
Im going with Durant by far. Based on the numbers.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-13-2012, 02:40 PM
Umm....okay..... :eyebrow:


Anyways..

I'll have to go with KD with Kobe a close 2nd.

I don't wanna look @ the stats but, Kobe is wayyy OVERRATED in clutch situation. And @ this point of his career is living off reputation for hitting clutch shots in the past.

bloomis1307
07-13-2012, 02:41 PM
Wow, I'm highly surprised by that stat line....I loathe LBJ, but never thought his percentages would have been better than Kobes (I don't really like kobe either but what do you expect from a celtics fan haha). LBJ I think deserves his horrible 4th quarter rep but this changes my thoughts about him being a terrible last shot of the game player. To be honest my initial impression was Durant or kobe but after looking at this you gotta go CP3 or Melo.



Shots attempted with under 24 seconds left in 4th quarter or ot trailing by two or less in regular season and playoffs (from 00-01 season until now)

Carmelo Anthony - 51% (25 for 49)
Chris Paul - 41% (13 for 32)
LeBron James - 31% (21 for 68)
Kobe Bryant - 30% (31 for 103)
Kevin Durant - 24% (11 for 45)

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-13-2012, 02:41 PM
It's gotta be Melo or KDizzle.

mjm07
07-13-2012, 02:41 PM
With USA team assembled the way it is now, and two secounds left on the clock, 4th qtr, with your life on the line who do u want taking the last shot, whether to tie or win it all, I am not being a homer when I say Melo, what's your thoughts, and can somebody add a poll, cause I have no idea how.

2 seconds is pretty short amount of time. I'd have to take Durant.

mRc08
07-13-2012, 02:41 PM
I just don't think team usa will be in a position down 2 in the final seconds of the fourth quarter lol.

But if they are, then I say carmello. There are good options on this team, but after what he did to the bulls this past season, wow.

JasonJohnHorn
07-13-2012, 02:41 PM
Rudy Gay if he was on the team. If not, I'd ask Jordan or Reggie Miller to come out of retirement and take the shot. If those options aren't available, then I'd go with Durant.

HaruSoul
07-13-2012, 02:41 PM
Im going with Durant by far. Based on the numbers.

With Durant by far last? Cause Melo more then doubles his FG% in the clutch.

StarvingKnick22
07-13-2012, 02:42 PM
Melo will inbound it to KD and Kobe will steal the pass and shoot. lets hope for the best

JasonJohnHorn
07-13-2012, 02:43 PM
Tyson Chandler does have the highest FG% among all the players on the team ;-)

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-13-2012, 02:43 PM
Shots attempted with under 24 seconds left in 4th quarter or ot trailing by two or less in regular season and playoffs (from 00-01 season until now)

Carmelo Anthony - 51% (25 for 49)
Chris Paul - 41% (13 for 32)
LeBron James - 31% (21 for 68)
Kobe Bryant - 30% (31 for 103)
Kevin Durant - 24% (11 for 45)

Like I said... Kobe is vastly overrated when it's comes to clutch shooting.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-13-2012, 02:44 PM
Umm....okay..... :eyebrow:


Anyways..

I'll have to go with KD with Kobe a close 2nd.

Shots attempted with under 24 seconds left in 4th quarter or ot trailing by two or less in regular season and playoffs (from 00-01 season until now)
Carmelo Anthony - 51% (25 for 49)
Chris Paul - 41% (13 for 32)
LeBron James - 31% (21 for 68)
Kobe Bryant - 30% (31 for 103)
Kevin Durant - 24% (11 for 45)

Like I said... Kobe is vastly overrated when it's comes to clutch shooting.

Soo... "ummmmm, okay..." yourself.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-13-2012, 02:45 PM
Tyson Chandler does have the highest FG% among all the players on the team ;-)

Lol.. But, when you need a last second shot you need the ball in the hands of a player who can create his own shot. So even though Ty makes a high % of his shots, he can't create for himself.

Blitzbolt
07-13-2012, 02:46 PM
Rudy Gay.

But its simple give it to the best player LEBRON he will make the right pass he did it in the all star game DWill miss a wide open 3.

Jroz
07-13-2012, 02:50 PM
Durant no question..he'd hit it with zero emotion on his face pre/post shot

bearadonisdna
07-13-2012, 02:51 PM
With Durant by far last? Cause Melo more then doubles his FG% in the clutch.

Durant was 9-11 yesterady. And almost doubled Melos total scoring output.

Based on the numbers, someone would be foolish to take the ball out of Durants hands.

meloman1592
07-13-2012, 02:53 PM
depends...if it's 2 seconds which is simply a catch and shoot, I'm going with Durant. If it's about 10 seconds left and we need someone who is going to break someone down one on one...easily Melo. Kobe is overrated in the clutch as of late...4 years ago, it would be KObe hands down

KingPosey
07-13-2012, 02:54 PM
Kobe/Melo/Durant

Their all amazing players, I'm pretty confident in whoever gets the shot.

Cant go wrong with those 3.

HaruSoul
07-13-2012, 02:57 PM
Durant was 9-11 yesterady. And almost doubled Melos total scoring output.

Based on the numbers, u someone would be foolish to take the ball out of Durants hands.

1. We are talking about a clutch shot, not a random FG at any point in the game.
2. Durant also almost doubled Melos playing time.
3. You can't use last nights game as an example, obviously you are going to put the ball in the hands of somebody that is 9-11 for the night. We are talking about if everybody was on an equal playing field.

bearadonisdna
07-13-2012, 02:58 PM
And im not really confident in having a uber selective clutch stat as the main reason to give Melo the ball over a guy who went 9-11 and is literally the best scorer on the world.

The only reason he isnt starting is to protect the egos of the guys he is outshining at the same position.

JLynn943
07-13-2012, 03:00 PM
As long as he isn't having a bad night, I'd probably go with Melo. Of course, if someone is shooting really well, I'd probably just go with that person - regardless of who they are.

J4KOP99
07-13-2012, 03:01 PM
One of melo, Kob, or Durant. Most Likely Durant because of his size.

HaruSoul
07-13-2012, 03:02 PM
If there was a clutch shot needed to be taken in game 6 of the finals, I would have wanted Miller to shoot it over Lebron and Wade.

Ill21
07-13-2012, 03:06 PM
Shots attempted with under 24 seconds left in 4th quarter or ot trailing by two or less in regular season and playoffs (from 00-01 season until now)

Carmelo Anthony - 51% (25 for 49)
Chris Paul - 41% (13 for 32)
LeBron James - 31% (21 for 68)
Kobe Bryant - 30% (31 for 103)
Kevin Durant - 24% (11 for 45)

Wow and I always thought Durant was really clutch.

Hawkeye15
07-13-2012, 03:08 PM
Shots attempted with under 24 seconds left in 4th quarter or ot trailing by two or less in regular season and playoffs (from 00-01 season until now)

Carmelo Anthony - 51% (25 for 49)
Chris Paul - 41% (13 for 32)
LeBron James - 31% (21 for 68)
Kobe Bryant - 30% (31 for 103)
Kevin Durant - 24% (11 for 45)

Like I said... Kobe is vastly overrated when it's comes to clutch shooting.

link? This hasn't been updated in a while I believe, I think those are from nearly 2 years ago.

KB-Pau-DH2012
07-13-2012, 03:08 PM
I don't wanna look @ the stats but, Kobe is wayyy OVERRATED in clutch situation. And @ this point of his career is living off reputation for hitting clutch shots in the past.

Fair enough. That's a fair assessment.

Hawkeye15
07-13-2012, 03:12 PM
Fair enough. That's a fair assessment.

it's completely fair, Henry Abbot gave a great explanation on why. That being said, if there is 90 seconds left, and I am trying to hold onto a 1-2 point lead, I am going Kobe Bryant all day. Hell, as recent as 2 of the past 4 seasons, he has led in clutch time points on 82game.com. It's not like he isn't a decent choice for a last second game winner (which he hasn't hit in the playoffs since 2008), it's just been shown that he gets total and complete tunnel vision in those moments and teams know this now, so they just send boatloads of help and he ends up taking a terrible shot % wise.

StarvingKnick22
07-13-2012, 03:13 PM
Tyson Chandler does have the highest FG% among all the players on the team ;-)
i really hope your just trolling

Kashmir13579
07-13-2012, 03:15 PM
Durant, 'Melo, or Westbrick.

theLgndKllr35
07-13-2012, 03:15 PM
Whoever's open? It's the ****ing All-Star team out there.

KB-Pau-DH2012
07-13-2012, 03:16 PM
it's completely fair, Henry Abbot gave a great explanation on why. That being said, if there is 90 seconds left, and I am trying to hold onto a 1-2 point lead, I am going Kobe Bryant all day. Hell, as recent as 2 of the past 4 seasons, he has led in clutch time points on 82game.com. It's not like he isn't a decent choice for a last second game winner (which he hasn't hit in the playoffs since 2008), it's just been shown that he gets total and complete tunnel vision in those moments and teams know this now, so they just send boatloads of help and he ends up taking a terrible shot % wise.

Eh, **** the stats and **** Henry Abbott. I'm just basing on what is real as I watch every Laker game, and yes, Kobe has been very un-clutch the last 2yrs, including the last 2 postseasons.


He better change that next postseason if he wants to win that 6th ring.

Rockice_8
07-13-2012, 03:21 PM
Durant, 'Melo, or Westbrick.

You call him Westbrick but want him taking the last shot?

I'll agree with the guy who said anyone who is open. Any of these guys can hit an open shot.

bearadonisdna
07-13-2012, 03:22 PM
You call him Westbrick but want him taking the last shot?

I'll agree with the guy who said anyone who is open. Any of these guys can hit an open shot.

I agree with him too.

Hawkeye15
07-13-2012, 03:23 PM
Eh, **** the stats and **** Henry Abbott. I'm just basing on what is real as I watch every Laker game, and yes, Kobe has been very un-clutch the last 2yrs, including the last 2 postseasons.


He better change that next postseason if he wants to win that 6th ring.

haha, you can say all you want, but Abbott simply pointed out that in the last 24 seconds of a one possession game, the Lakers fall from 107 points per 100 possessions, to 84 points per 100 possessions, because Kobe gets tunnel vision and is shooting the ball, period. Furthermore, in those situations, Kobe hits roughly 30% of his makes (I think it may be lower now, they haven't updated very recently, and Kobe has not hit much in these scenarios recently).

If you base it off your personal view, as a Lakers fan, you enter what I have always said is the downfall, and that is selective memory. You will of course remember every make, it gave you a much better feeling then watching the clanks. I can't tell you if Webber ever hit a game winner, but I sure as hell remember his miss in game 7 of the West semifinals against my Wolves at the buzzer. Selective memory.

keetyweedy
07-13-2012, 03:27 PM
I could care less what the numbers are...Durant by far! did you see what he did to us the first game we played against each other when VC hit a dagger then he came back with one, then again game 1 of the playoffs smh

KB-Pau-DH2012
07-13-2012, 03:31 PM
haha, you can say all you want, but Abbott simply pointed out that in the last 24 seconds of a one possession game, the Lakers fall from 107 points per 100 possessions, to 84 points per 100 possessions, because Kobe gets tunnel vision and is shooting the ball, period. Furthermore, in those situations, Kobe hits roughly 30% of his makes (I think it may be lower now, they haven't updated very recently, and Kobe has not hit much in these scenarios recently).

If you base it off your personal view, as a Lakers fan, you enter what I have always said is the downfall, and that is selective memory. You will of course remember every make, it gave you a much better feeling then watching the clanks. I can't tell you if Webber ever hit a game winner, but I sure as hell remember his miss in game 7 of the West semifinals against my Wolves at the buzzer. Selective memory.


You're right, when you're a fan of someone, selective memory does come into play.

justinnum1
07-13-2012, 03:39 PM
As much as i would love to see lebron to hit the game winner in the gold medal game, if the ball is not in KD's hands then something went wrong

RonE Coleman
07-13-2012, 03:44 PM
Carmelo Anthony then Kevin Durant.

RonE Coleman
07-13-2012, 03:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHaylYjJVLI

Carmelo Anthony.... End of thread.

RonE Coleman
07-13-2012, 03:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHaylYjJVLI

Carmelo Anthony.... End of thread.

Kashmir13579
07-13-2012, 03:52 PM
You call him Westbrick but want him taking the last shot?

I'll agree with the guy who said anyone who is open. Any of these guys can hit an open shot.
I'm a fan but Westbrick is a fitting name for the guy. Sorry. And yes i would still be comfortable with him pulling up for the last shot, even though i call him Westbrick sometimes.

KB-Pau-DH2012
07-13-2012, 03:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHaylYjJVLI

Carmelo Anthony.... End of thread.
That's basically Melo's entire 9 yr career



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0eK7sV0bKU

Kobe in the 2009-2010 season alone.

And the length of the videos are basically the same. :laugh:

#thread-reopened

Kashmir13579
07-13-2012, 04:00 PM
That's basically Melo's entire 9 yr career



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0eK7sV0bKU

Kobe in the 2009-2010 season alone.

And the length of the videos are basically the same. :laugh:

#thread-reopened

'Melo has proven to be better with game winners. I'm not saying he's a better player or even more clutch. But that case is certainly closed.

smith&wesson
07-13-2012, 04:02 PM
melo & durant

Kashmir13579
07-13-2012, 04:04 PM
Kobe's clutch play has perennially had his Lakers in at the bottom in terms of scoring efficiency, late in the 4th. This is known.

Hawkeye15
07-13-2012, 04:07 PM
Kobe's clutch play has perennially had his Lakers in at the bottom in terms of scoring efficiency, late in the 4th. This is known.

you can show them the undisputed facts over and over, and it still gets ignored.

Lakers + Giants
07-13-2012, 04:13 PM
CP3, Durant, Kobe. In that order.

Baller1
07-13-2012, 04:26 PM
Well considering KD would probably be the one who takes the game over, I'll have him taking the final shot. :)

HuRRiCaNeS324
07-13-2012, 04:30 PM
Its gonna be Kobe and hes gonna miss it like he normally does...

HuRRiCaNeS324
07-13-2012, 04:31 PM
Kobe being clutch is one of the biggest myths in the world lol.

Cal827
07-13-2012, 04:32 PM
Shots attempted with under 24 seconds left in 4th quarter or ot trailing by two or less in regular season and playoffs (from 00-01 season until now)
Carmelo Anthony - 51% (25 for 49)
Chris Paul - 41% (13 for 32)
LeBron James - 31% (21 for 68)
Kobe Bryant - 30% (31 for 103)
Kevin Durant - 24% (11 for 45)

Like I said... Kobe is vastly overrated when it's comes to clutch shooting.

Soo... "ummmmm, okay..." yourself.

Melo's clip is just plain dirty.

heyman321
07-13-2012, 06:07 PM
It's Carmelo Anthony -- plain and simple. The stats back it up.

Everyone picking Kobe and Durant are nothing more than sheep who buy into media hype. Yeah Durant seems like the right choice, only cause he played further into the season than Melo, but he isn't the better game-on-the-line shooter.

Kyben36
07-13-2012, 06:27 PM
I like melos mismatch potential, bit enough to post up but fast enough to drive by.

Durrant is also a killer shot maker as well as Kobe,

swag2011
07-13-2012, 07:11 PM
Those clutch stats are stupid. So wait, who defined clutch as in under 24 seconds, being down 1 or 2? I could EASILY change it to 25 seconds, 1 minute, 2 minutes? Being down 3, being down 4, being down 5.

There a REASON why Kobe is called clutch, it's because he hits a big bucket when you need it MOST. That's why those stats are dumb b/c it's based of a CERTAIN circumstance when you can easily changed the amount of points you are down, vs, the amount of time left on the clock.

That said, if it's catch and shoot, i'm going Durant. Any other situation, Kobe or Melo, it don't matter.

To the Laker fan that said Kobe wasn't clutch this season, you've got to be kidding me. Yes he wasn't so good in the 4th in playoffs, but did you forget his 4 or 5 straight 3 pointers game 5 against Denver that brought us BACK into the game? Were those not clutch, or was it b/c those stats in a certain circumstance say they weren't?

Did you forget this game against Toronto in Feb? Where they were down by 4 with a minute left, and he hit a 3, then got the steal and assist to a Metta bucket, then they were down by 1 with 7 seconds left, and he hit the CLUTCH basket? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8Zm2aoMLMc

Or the game against Detroit, where he sent it to overtime? I know we still lost but the point still stands. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viR5XdF-FuM

those "clutch" stats are dumb. He's a bit overrated, but there's a reason why every GM said they want him with the ball in their hands at the end of games.

Cano4prez
07-13-2012, 07:19 PM
Kobe being clutch is one of the biggest myths in the world lol.

Sad but true. Give me KD or Melo

JollyRanch
07-13-2012, 07:44 PM
Kobe

no doubt about it

BSardogan
07-14-2012, 08:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJp-wUHm3B0

Anyone that's in this clip except for Dwight. I don't know wth they were thinking when they put him in there.

b@llhog24
07-14-2012, 02:27 PM
With USA team assembled the way it is now, and two secounds left on the clock, 4th qtr, with your life on the line

If your life is on the line, why would you limit your chances of survival to just having a shot? Cp3 give you buckets AND assists in crunch time.


who do u want taking the last shot, whether to tie or win it all, I am not being a homer when I say Melo, what's your thoughts, and can somebody add a poll, cause I have no idea how.

But anyways, Melo.

SaimuKala
07-14-2012, 03:16 PM
Wow and I always thought Durant was really clutch.

He is clutch... just some people are trying to find the most ridiculous stats and prove otherwise.


IDC about the stats, it's Kevin Durant.

SaimuKala
07-14-2012, 03:25 PM
Its gonna be Kobe and hes gonna miss it like he normally does...

Wade fan hating on Kobe? Nothing new here.

KB-Pau-DH2012
07-14-2012, 03:29 PM
Its gonna be Kobe and hes gonna miss it like he normally does...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxXT3zNSNoU


You're Welcome.

Gagan136
07-14-2012, 03:31 PM
Kobe/Durant/Melo not in any specific order, i would be pretty confident with the ball in their hands at the end of the game.

Jint.
07-14-2012, 03:33 PM
Melo

b@llhog24
07-14-2012, 03:47 PM
Im going with Durant by far. Based on the numbers.

Based on what numbers?


Durant was 9-11 yesterady. And almost doubled Melos total scoring output.

Based on the numbers, someone would be foolish to take the ball out of Durants hands.

Being up by 30 points kind of negates this theory huh?


Wow and I always thought Durant was really clutch.

Over his career? Not so much. The last two seasons or so, dudes been killing it. Its proof that the so called "clutch gene" doesn't exist.


I could care less what the numbers are...Durant by far! did you see what he did to us the first game we played against each other when VC hit a dagger then he came back with one, then again game 1 of the playoffs smh

If your life is on the line you should.


Those clutch stats are stupid.

No they aren't see how that works?


So wait, who defined clutch as in under 24 seconds, being down 1 or 2? I could EASILY change it to 25 seconds, 1 minute, 2 minutes? Being down 3, being down 4, being down 5.

Nobody defined it as "clutch" but in pertinence to the question the parameters set provide a pretty decent list of candidates to choose from.


There a REASON why Kobe is called clutch, it's because he hits a big bucket when you need it MOST. That's why those stats are dumb b/c it's based of a CERTAIN circumstance when you can easily changed the amount of points you are down, vs, the amount of time left on the clock.

The reason is primarily because of selective memory, I'm not saying he is or isn't clutch, but he's vastly overrated in that aspect.


That said, if it's catch and shoot, i'm going Durant. Any other situation, Kobe or Melo, it don't matter.

So your life doesn't matter? :confused:


To the Laker fan that said Kobe wasn't clutch this season, you've got to be kidding me. Yes he wasn't so good in the 4th in playoffs, but did you forget his 4 or 5 straight 3 pointers game 5 against Denver that brought us BACK into the game? Were those not clutch, or was it b/c those stats in a certain circumstance say they weren't?

Did you forget this game against Toronto in Feb? Where they were down by 4 with a minute left, and he hit a 3, then got the steal and assist to a Metta bucket, then they were down by 1 with 7 seconds left, and he hit the CLUTCH basket? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8Zm2aoMLMc

Or the game against Detroit, where he sent it to overtime? I know we still lost but the point still stands. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viR5XdF-FuM

those "clutch" stats are dumb. He's a bit overrated, but there's a reason why every GM said they want him with the ball in their hands at the end of games.

Two games out of 70 bro.


He is clutch... just some people are trying to find the most ridiculous stats and prove otherwise.


IDC about the stats, it's Kevin Durant.

There are no such stats, you lying scumdog you. :D

Evolution23
07-14-2012, 07:56 PM
Melo or Durant.

Fnom11
07-14-2012, 10:17 PM
Life of the line? Kobe
Game 7 finals on the line? Durant, it's just too easy for him to get off a good shot.

Jarvo
07-14-2012, 10:32 PM
None of those ****ers if my life on the line, But if one of you guys Durant.