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HaruSoul
07-11-2012, 01:38 PM
Brooklyn's fully guaranteed the first 4 years, $58M of a max deal offer for Brook Lopez, sources tell Y! Sides still discussing 5th year.

Blahoo12
07-11-2012, 01:39 PM
thats alot of chedddda

waveycrockett
07-11-2012, 01:40 PM
Well worth it!

TrAv=MaGiCfReAk
07-11-2012, 01:42 PM
Even if his foot breaks again? Wow that's dumb .... hope magic don't take that on

COOLbeans
07-11-2012, 01:43 PM
What does Lopez have to do with penis?

Punk
07-11-2012, 01:44 PM
And he's making more than Chandler?....Overpaid much?

Young2Kinsler
07-11-2012, 01:44 PM
I wonder how the contract is structured. Not all contracts can be included in a sign and trade, don't know if this kills the Howard to Nets, but it could.

jmoney85
07-11-2012, 01:46 PM
Even if his foot breaks again? Wow that's dumb .... hope magic don't take that on

its insured

oak2455
07-11-2012, 01:46 PM
What does Lopez have to do with penis?

I just spit out my drink:D

COOLbeans
07-11-2012, 01:46 PM
Nusolo is pervy lol

Young2Kinsler
07-11-2012, 01:46 PM
I can't see why Orlando would want a maxed out Lopez, but we will see.

#1chickhearnfan
07-11-2012, 01:46 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski:This is Brooklyn's way to stave off Lopez signing an offer sheet elsewhere, and crushing a sign-and-trade possibility for Dwight Howard

HaruSoul
07-11-2012, 01:49 PM
To keep alive chances to get Howard, Billy King can't let Lopez sign sheet. Nor can he let him walk if Nets don't get DH. Has to pay Lopez.

knicksfan42
07-11-2012, 01:52 PM
Your new worst contract in the NBA ladies and gentlemen.

torocan
07-11-2012, 01:53 PM
Bye bye Dwight...

On to Lakers/Rockets...

jmoney85
07-11-2012, 01:53 PM
Your new worst contract in the NBA ladies and gentlemen.

LMAO... you forget chandler makes 15 per?

Weezy
07-11-2012, 01:54 PM
Typical Billy King contract.

HaruSoul
07-11-2012, 01:55 PM
There's a window Nets can still deal Lopez in sign-and-trade to Magic today, but it's closing fast. Doubt they'll drag this into Thursday.

#1chickhearnfan
07-11-2012, 01:55 PM
yep

knicksfan42
07-11-2012, 01:56 PM
LMAO... you forget chandler makes 15 per?

Making 13.5 this upcoming season and nope I didn't forget.

jmoney85
07-11-2012, 01:56 PM
great contract for a 20ppg center

jmoney85
07-11-2012, 01:56 PM
Making 13.5 this upcoming season and nope I didn't forget.

ok and lopez makes 14.5.... I like that deal much better

TeamSeattle
07-11-2012, 01:57 PM
LMAO... you forget chandler makes 15 per?

Give it up with the Chandler mess bro.

justinnum1
07-11-2012, 01:57 PM
stein
Source close to process says Portland & Charlotte have indeed told Brook Lopez they're ready to sign him today to four-year max offer sheet

lopez should just say **** you and walk to portland, that would be sooooooo hilarious.

jmoney85
07-11-2012, 01:57 PM
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Source close to process says Portland & Charlotte have indeed told Brook Lopez they're ready to sign him today to four-year max offer sheet


bad contract what?

slynxpac
07-11-2012, 01:57 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
There's a window Nets can still deal Lopez in sign-and-trade to Magic today, but it's closing fast. Doubt they'll drag this into Thursday.

jmoney85
07-11-2012, 01:57 PM
stein

lopez should just say **** you and walk to portland, that would be sooooooo hilarious.

it would never happen because the nets would match

knicksfan42
07-11-2012, 01:58 PM
ok and lopez makes 14.5.... I like that deal much better

Chandler is about 100x times better than Lopez.

LA_Raiders
07-11-2012, 01:58 PM
Welcome to LA Howard...

jmoney85
07-11-2012, 01:58 PM
Give it up with the Chandler mess bro.

its a terrible contract... im never going to let it go

we all know that DPOY was a fraud

TeamSeattle
07-11-2012, 02:00 PM
its a terrible contract... im never going to let it go

we all know that DPOY was a fraud

and his Championship the previous year was a fraud too...right

BigBlueCrew
07-11-2012, 02:00 PM
its a terrible contract... im never going to let it go

we all know that DPOY was a fraud

no you think its a fraud (and maybe d12fan) and you cares if you never let it go.

This is a terrible contract and you can never bring up Amare anymore.

waveycrockett
07-11-2012, 02:00 PM
And he's making more than Chandler?....Overpaid much?

He destroys Tyson

knicksfan42
07-11-2012, 02:00 PM
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Source close to process says Portland & Charlotte have indeed told Brook Lopez they're ready to sign him today to four-year max offer sheet


bad contract what?


**** logic: If more than one team wants to sign a player for the same amount as another team that makes the contract not bad.

nystandup
07-11-2012, 02:00 PM
its a terrible contract... im never going to let it go

we all know that DPOY was a fraud

Just because you say it's a fraud doesn't make it a fraud. I think it was well deserved if you actually watched him play..

waveycrockett
07-11-2012, 02:01 PM
and his Championship the previous year was a fraud too...right

Yeah he really put the Mavs on his back....:speechless:

beliges
07-11-2012, 02:01 PM
i can see why the Nets would make a move like this. They are trying to save face if the Dwight deal doesnt go down. But, from my understanding, the only way Magic were gonna take a deal from the Nets is if they were provided with significant cap flexibility. The fact that Lopez signed a max offer means that Orlando would have far fewer cap flexibility now. Not sure how this implicates the Dwight trade, but I am just not sure why Orlando would want to take on a contract like that. For a guy like Lopez nontheless. Nothing impressive about that guy. A solid, role player of a center. Nothing more than that.

waveycrockett
07-11-2012, 02:02 PM
**** logic: If more than one team wants to sign a player for the same amount as another team that makes the contract not bad.

There wasn't a single team who wanted to pay Tyson that money other than the Knicks.

Gritz
07-11-2012, 02:02 PM
Message!

oak2455
07-11-2012, 02:02 PM
LMAO... you forget chandler makes 15 per?

but plays more than 5 games, and won DPOY...... oppps sorry, but Lopez has won??:clap::clap:

Punk
07-11-2012, 02:03 PM
its a terrible contract... im never going to let it go

we all know that DPOY was a fraud

:laugh2:

He's making 56 million. He took a 20th defensive team to Top 5 in 1 season. He took the Mavs the season before that from 16th to 7th and the won the title that season.

You don't need to defend every single thing that franchise does. This is a stupid contract. Face facts.

Lopez hasn't won anything in his life yet to deserve it. Atleast Hibbert preformed at a high level in the PLAYOFFS.

oak2455
07-11-2012, 02:03 PM
There wasn't a single team who wanted to pay Tyson that money other than the Knicks.

and who was paying Lopez a max contract:laugh::laugh::laugh:

DoMeFavors
07-11-2012, 02:03 PM
but plays more than 5 games, and won DPOY...... oppps sorry, but Lopez has won??:clap::clap:

Chandler is a flat out bust

torocan
07-11-2012, 02:04 PM
There wasn't a single team who wanted to pay Tyson that money other than the Knicks.

Correct. But this is the first season of the new CBA.

There are lots of implications especially the Cap spending floor.

If Tyson was up this year, better believe he'd get a max offer...

Max contracts for 2nd tier players. Get used to it.

DoMeFavors
07-11-2012, 02:04 PM
and who was paying Lopez a max contract:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Portland and Charlotte are gonna offer it to him

oak2455
07-11-2012, 02:04 PM
Chandler is a flat out bust

noooo you mean bust your foot Brooke:clap::clap:

HaruSoul
07-11-2012, 02:05 PM
and who was paying Lopez a max contract:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Portland & Charlotte apparently.

Punk
07-11-2012, 02:05 PM
Net fans play more defense than their entire team. Geez.

It's a terrible contract for a guy who has sustained a major foot injury then a bad ankle injury in a week span last season. Fully guaranteeing it also makes it harder to make Orlando take it.

#1chickhearnfan
07-11-2012, 02:06 PM
I say just trade Dwight to the Nets quickly, why, because is he is traded to the Lakers or Rockets their's a good chance that we will be going through this crap next year!!!!

No more Dwight Drama!!!! PLEASE

BigBlueCrew
07-11-2012, 02:06 PM
Chandler is a flat out bust

you always give me good sig material. But Im not gonna change Eli for your stupidity.

DoMeFavors
07-11-2012, 02:06 PM
Net fans play more defense than their entire team. Geez.

It's a terrible contract for a guy who has sustained a major foot injury then a bad ankle injury in a week span last season. Fully guaranteeing it also makes it harder to make Orlando take it.

Nets are over the cap so who cares

AddiX
07-11-2012, 02:06 PM
Must to be weird to get a max offer from a team, and know they are already trying to trade you.

Seriously, WTF?

D12 fan
07-11-2012, 02:06 PM
Bigman will always be overpaid,it's just not many quality centers in today's game.

TeamSeattle
07-11-2012, 02:07 PM
:laugh2:

He's making 56 million. He took a 20th defensive team to Top 5 in 1 season. He took the Mavs the season before that from 16th to 7th and the won the title that season.

You don't need to defend every single thing that franchise does. This is a stupid contract. Face facts.

Lopez hasn't won anything in his life yet to deserve it. Atleast Hibbert preformed at a high level in the PLAYOFFS.

Owned

oak2455
07-11-2012, 02:07 PM
it would never happen because the nets would match

and then he's youres:clap::clap:

Punk
07-11-2012, 02:07 PM
A guy who is starting for Team USA, won DPOY, All-Defensive Team, NBA Champion, lead the NBA in FG % is a bust?

Well, what would Lopez be considered? :laugh:

DoMeFavors
07-11-2012, 02:07 PM
:laugh2:

He's making 56 million. He took a 20th defensive team to Top 5 in 1 season. He took the Mavs the season before that from 16th to 7th and the won the title that season.

You don't need to defend every single thing that franchise does. This is a stupid contract. Face facts.

Lopez hasn't won anything in his life yet to deserve it. Atleast Hibbert preformed at a high level in the PLAYOFFS.

1 player doesnt change anything..its a team effort..

KniCks4LiFe
07-11-2012, 02:08 PM
noooo you mean bust your foot Brooke:clap::clap:

Bust your foot Brook has only had one season in his life w/ injuries. The previous 3 seasons 82 out 82 games were played by him.

No team other than maybe a desperate Golden State team would offer Tyson Chandler a max contract. On the Lopez front CHA and some other team were said to be waiting till signing time to offer Lopez a deal. They have to likely match now.

Mr.B
07-11-2012, 02:08 PM
Chandler is a flat out bust

Defensive Player of the Year

jmoney85
07-11-2012, 02:09 PM
A guy who is starting for Team USA, won DPOY, All-Defensive Team, NBA Champion, lead the NBA in FG % is a bust?

Well, what would Lopez be considered? :laugh:

hes only starting for USA because everybody else is hurt dont kid yourself lol

king4day
07-11-2012, 02:09 PM
I bet they did this in response to asking him to not accept offers anywhere else. They'd give him a max guaranteed deal.

justinnum1
07-11-2012, 02:09 PM
Must to be weird to get a max offer from a team, and know they are already trying to trade you.

Seriously, WTF?

yea, but 25mil can make you overlook that

jmoney85
07-11-2012, 02:10 PM
and can you guys stop riding chandlers nuts about a championship... its meaningless unless its the knicks... even adam morrison has 2 rings

DoMeFavors
07-11-2012, 02:10 PM
A guy who is starting for Team USA, won DPOY, All-Defensive Team, NBA Champion, lead the NBA in FG % is a bust?

Well, what would Lopez be considered? :laugh:

All the Centers in the league are injured and there isnt even a lot of good centers in the leauge, DPOY with Dwight out, All defensive SECOND team, NBA champion so 15 a year win a championship, led NBA in fg % is that such a big deal.

Before 2 years ago he was a bench player who was traded for bums every year. Went to a playoff team with Dallas and won he ISNT worth his contract at all! You might like his leadership and defense but he isnt even close to worth that contract. Guy is a bust plain and simple.

waveycrockett
07-11-2012, 02:10 PM
and who was paying Lopez a max contract

I forgot you you dont read anything not on PSD.

Real gm ‏@******
Blazers, Bobcats Ready To Offer Four-Year Max Contract To Brook Lopez --

HaruSoul
07-11-2012, 02:10 PM
1 player doesnt change anything..its a team effort..

It's a team effort lead by Chandler. I want to say that he single handily turned around the Knicks defense last year, but Shumpert was also very impressive.

DR_1
07-11-2012, 02:11 PM
:laugh: This is the worst contract in the NBA

Punk
07-11-2012, 02:11 PM
This is going to look awful if they can't pull off this Dwight trade.

nicegoing
07-11-2012, 02:11 PM
Foot injuries are no joke, that's a lot of money, but they had to pay up or lose Brooke.

PS It's easier to put DoMeFavours on your ignore list than to argue with her.

waveycrockett
07-11-2012, 02:12 PM
A guy who is starting for Team USA, won DPOY, All-Defensive Team, NBA Champion, lead the NBA in FG % is a bust?

Well, what would Lopez be considered? :laugh:

Don't act like thats some sort of accomplishment. He is one of the worst offensive Centers in the game. Tons of Knicks fans have acknowledge his offense is crap.

LTBaByyy
07-11-2012, 02:13 PM
1 player doesnt change anything..its a team effort..

This is the exact reason Joe freaking Johnson won't make the Nets a good team hahaha :laugh:


Such a hypocrite

chrislu31
07-11-2012, 02:14 PM
Chandler is about 100x times better than Lopez.

LMAOOO Chandler misses point blank lay-ups, Lopez can go for 40 anyday of the week

BklynKnicks3
07-11-2012, 02:14 PM
lmaoooooo guy is trash i guess cause u cant have brooklyn with out the brook, maybe they want jermey lin to so it can be brook lin lmao

DoMeFavors
07-11-2012, 02:14 PM
Tony Allen is a better defender than Chandler no way he gets a contract like Chandler...even if he started on an NBA team that won a championship.

Gritz
07-11-2012, 02:14 PM
Does anyone know if Orlando will take Lopez with a max contract?

oak2455
07-11-2012, 02:15 PM
I forgot you you dont read anything not on PSD.

Real gm ‏@******
Blazers, Bobcats Ready To Offer Four-Year Max Contract To Brook Lopez --

I thought you can't post stuff from REAL g M on here?? I see the Blazers, but wtf would you wanna go to the Slobcats??

KniCks4LiFe
07-11-2012, 02:15 PM
Don't act like thats some sort of accomplishment. He is one of the worst offensive Centers in the game. Tons of Knicks fans have acknowledge his offense is crap.

it acually is an accomplishment. But DPOY was BS, FG% also was skewed, Lin is the guy that made Chandler have a great FG%.

DoMeFavors
07-11-2012, 02:15 PM
This is the exact reason Joe freaking Johnson won't make the Nets a good team hahaha :laugh:


Such a hypocrite

Lopez and Wallace and Joe who all didnt play together along with DERON you know the one that signed with the Nets. And picked Lopez and Joe over DIRK and Dallas. Have fun lottery!

Jroz
07-11-2012, 02:15 PM
Don't act like thats some sort of accomplishment. He is one of the worst offensive Centers in the game. Tons of Knicks fans have acknowledge his offense is crap.

hahahahah what is an accomplishment in your eyes?..averaging 20 points a game for a losing team, or winning championships, accolades, starting for the olympics...yea those arent accomplishments..you are so twisted hahhahahhaha

p.s. he did lead the league in field goal % this year hahhahahhahah

LongIslandIcedZ
07-11-2012, 02:15 PM
Would any non Net fans make the argument that Lopez is better than Chandler when taking both sides of the court into consideration?

Just curious.

Punk
07-11-2012, 02:16 PM
All the Centers in the league are injured and there isnt even a lot of good centers in the leauge

O RLY?

-Howard
-Bynum
-Gasol
-Hibbert
-Chandler
-Horford
-Noah
-Nene
-Perkins
-Bogut

Want me to continue owning you?

knicksfan42
07-11-2012, 02:16 PM
Don't act like thats some sort of accomplishment. He is one of the worst offensive Centers in the game. Tons of Knicks fans have acknowledge his offense is crap.

Highest TS% and FG% how many years now. Naw he's just fine offensively and we're just fine offensively.

Hoopin&Swoopin
07-11-2012, 02:17 PM
Don't act like thats some sort of accomplishment. He is one of the worst offensive Centers in the game. Tons of Knicks fans have acknowledge his offense is crap.

He may not have a polished offensive game but you cannot deny he is extremely efficient.

TeamSeattle
07-11-2012, 02:17 PM
O RLY?

-Howard
-Bynum
-Gasol
-Hibbert
-Chandler
-Horford
-Noah
-Nene
-Perkins
-Bogut

Want me to continue owning you?

Dang Ali in his prime be easy punk lol

jmoney85
07-11-2012, 02:18 PM
these are the same knicks fans that defended the eddy curry contract

Mr.B
07-11-2012, 02:18 PM
All the Centers in the league are injured and there isnt even a lot of good centers in the leauge, DPOY with Dwight out, All defensive SECOND team, NBA champion so 15 a year win a championship, led NBA in fg % is that such a big deal.

Before 2 years ago he was a bench player who was traded for bums every year. Went to a playoff team with Dallas and won he ISNT worth his contract at all! You might like his leadership and defense but he isnt even close to worth that contract. Guy is a bust plain and simple.

If that's the case then why are so many people coming down so hard on Cuban for not resigning him? By the way Cuban actually did offer him $20 mil for 1 year but he chose the longer term deal with the Knicks.

DoMeFavors
07-11-2012, 02:18 PM
O RLY?

-Howard
-Bynum
-Gasol
-Hibbert
-Chandler
-Horford
-Noah
-Nene
-Perkins
-Bogut

Want me to continue owning you?

UM Nene,Gasol,Horford,Bogut cant play for TEAM usa..do you want me to keep owning you? Howard,Lopez,Bynum all injured or taking summer off. And Chandler got a spot because in 2010 when NO good players wanted to play for team usa. STOP!

Punk
07-11-2012, 02:18 PM
Averaging 20ppg for a losing team > Winning DPOY, being selective for Team USA twice, winning gold medal, leading the NBA in FG%, winning an NBA Championship.

Got it.

GMEN4EVER
07-11-2012, 02:18 PM
Hahaha, and the Nets thought they were going to take over NY? lol, not with Lopez on a max contract! Like wow, talk about a massive over pay. This is even worse than Hibbert getting a max...They now have two vastly over paid players, one who is a second tier star in Joe Johnson, and one who isn't even an all star caliber player in Lopez, with the two combining to make around 40 mil per year for the next 4 years...yeah, good luck building with that. Oh, and an aging Gerald Wallace for 4 years making ten mil per...lol, Nets just became the Hawks, and the poor SOB's don't even realize it yet.

The Nets will make the playoffs for the next 4 years, and they'll NEVER get past the second round. Way to go NY Hawks...

Gritz
07-11-2012, 02:20 PM
He may not have a polished offensive game but you cannot deny he is extremely efficient.

Who wouldn't be catching alley oops

oak2455
07-11-2012, 02:20 PM
these are the same knicks fans that defended the eddy curry contract

Maybe if Brookie ate like Eddie he wouldnt crumble like he did:D

Jroz
07-11-2012, 02:20 PM
these are the same knicks fans that defended the eddy curry contract

atleast Chandler backed it up this year..did melo or stat live up to theirs?..no..did Chandler this year?..yes.

mamba24
07-11-2012, 02:20 PM
:laugh: This is the worst contract in the NBA

well... joe johnson's is worse... hahahahahaha

BigBongTheory
07-11-2012, 02:21 PM
Nets fans have all of a sudden come out of the woodwork, I guess because they have some form of undeserved sense of accomplishment for their team. Rats are rats, when you see one hit it with a shovel.

Punk
07-11-2012, 02:21 PM
UM Nene,Gasol,Horford,Bogut cant play for TEAM usa..do you want me to keep owning you?

:laugh:

Because they ARE NOT AMERICAN. Gasol plays for Spain, Nene plays for Brazil, Horford plays for Dominican Republic, Bogut plays for Australia.


Nice try. Stick to being a troll. Intelligence doesn't work.

TheNumber37
07-11-2012, 02:21 PM
Dwight to Atlanta or rockets please

BSplaya2121
07-11-2012, 02:22 PM
Chandler is a flat out bust

and you are happy with joe johnson?? the "sub par all star"?

knicksfan42
07-11-2012, 02:22 PM
Who wouldn't be catching alley oops

Most centers as it turns out, which is why Chandler is the most efficient player in the league.

DoMeFavors
07-11-2012, 02:22 PM
Knick fans can continue to defend Chandler all they want, the guy is a bust..he is like Diop with athletic ability...ZERO postgame,Zero Jump shot.

waveycrockett
07-11-2012, 02:22 PM
Chandler failed his physical when traded OKC labeled him as damaged goods. Ignorant Knicks fans. LOVE IT.

TeamSeattle
07-11-2012, 02:23 PM
Knick fans can continue to defend Chandler all they want, the guy is a bust..he is like Diop with athletic ability...ZERO postgame,Zero Jump shot.

just stop...stop.:facepalm:

29$JerZ
07-11-2012, 02:24 PM
Brook will be getting paid more than Chandler. Wow. Seeing as how Hibbert is getting overpaid I see why this trend will continue.

DoMeFavors
07-11-2012, 02:24 PM
:laugh:

Because they ARE NOT AMERICAN. Gasol plays for Spain, Nene plays for Brazil, Horford plays for Dominican Republic, Bogut plays for Australia.


Nice try. Stick to being a troll. Intelligence doesn't work.

Exactly but all are better than Chandler and if they were American they would be playing over Chandler.

smith&wesson
07-11-2012, 02:24 PM
WOW... hope he lives up to it.

jmoney85
07-11-2012, 02:24 PM
atleast Chandler backed it up this year..did melo or stat live up to theirs?..no..did Chandler this year?..yes.

he did not live up to a 15 million per year contract... im sorry but a player who only plays defense is not worth 15 million per year

BigBongTheory
07-11-2012, 02:24 PM
Knick fans can continue to defend Chandler all they want, the guy is a bust..he is like Diop with athletic ability...ZERO postgame,Zero Jump shot.

Then he isn't like Diop then is he?

waveycrockett
07-11-2012, 02:24 PM
hahahahah what is an accomplishment in your eyes?..averaging 20 points a game for a losing team, or winning championships, accolades, starting for the olympics...yea those arent accomplishments..you are so twisted hahhahahhaha

p.s. he did lead the league in field goal % this year hahhahahhahah

Tyson Chandler has played on some HORRIBLE teams in his career and couldn't put up double digit numbers if he tried. hahaha

actually no that is pretty sad

jayjay33
07-11-2012, 02:24 PM
**** logic: If more than one team wants to sign a player for the same amount as another team that makes the contract not bad.

Depends of how you look at it.....i'm no lopez fan, but I think he is getting market value. So it's kind of hard for me to say it's a bad contract. That's about the going rate for decent bigs these days, it is what it is.

LOOTERX9
07-11-2012, 02:24 PM
well this is good strategy by the nets. cause portland and charlotte will offer lopez a 4 year deal today. if lopez signs it then even if nets match it they would not be able to trade lopez due to the rules. So I don't see what else nets could do in this situation. Orlando has to stop being little jag offs and just trade howard already. he does not want to be with them anymore

29$JerZ
07-11-2012, 02:24 PM
They are running out of logical things to say about Chandler :laugh2:

Punk
07-11-2012, 02:25 PM
All this started because Net fans can't deal with fair constructive criticism. Sad.

waveycrockett
07-11-2012, 02:26 PM
All this started because Net fans can't deal with fair constructive criticism. Sad.

And Knicks fans are like a pot calling the kettle block. If Lopez contract is bad Chandler's is horrendous.

knicksfan42
07-11-2012, 02:26 PM
he did not live up to a 15 million per year contract... im sorry but a player who only plays defense is not worth 15 million per year

If its a center who also happens to rebound fairly well and almost single singlehandedly turns one of the leagues worst defensive teams into one of the best then yea he's more than worth 13.5 mill. Kind of like Ben Wallace was worth the max despite being one of the worst offensive players of all time.

Punk
07-11-2012, 02:27 PM
LMAO This is hilarious.

20ppg center > defensive center.

GiantsSwaGG
07-11-2012, 02:28 PM
Nets fans have all of a sudden come out of the woodwork, I guess because they have some form of undeserved sense of accomplishment for their team. Rats are rats, when you see one hit it with a shovel.


it acually is an accomplishment. But DPOY was BS, FG% also was skewed, Lin is the guy that made Chandler have a great FG%.

So we only played 25 games? Good to know!

oak2455
07-11-2012, 02:28 PM
They are running out of logical things to say about Chandler :laugh2:

he's got a big head:D

jmoney85
07-11-2012, 02:28 PM
If its a center who also happens to rebound fairly well and almost single singlehandedly turns one of the leagues worst defensive teams into one of the best then yea he's more than worth 13.5 mill. Kind of like Ben Wallace was worth the max despite being one of the worst offensive players of all time.

but he didnt single handedly turn the defense around... it was a collective effort... jeffries, shumpert, bringing in woodson

waveycrockett
07-11-2012, 02:28 PM
LMAO This is hilarious.

20ppg center > defensive center.

How is Chandler a defensive center when he gets destroyed by Lopez routinely when they matchup?

29$JerZ
07-11-2012, 02:29 PM
Tyson Chandler

$13,604,188
$14,100,538
$14,596,888

That's his contract for the next 3 years.
He is not making 15 million and unlike Hibbert/Lopez has actually proven to be worth his money.

Hibbert/Lopez have terrible contracts.

Gritz
07-11-2012, 02:29 PM
Most centers as it turns out, which is why Chandler is the most efficient player in the league.

Most centers don't have the athleticism he does

DoMeFavors
07-11-2012, 02:30 PM
Im not hating Chandler seems like a nice leader and he is a good defender but for what he does he is worth no more than 10 million a year. Guy will not be remembered when it comes down to it, in 10 years nobody is even going to remember the name "Tyson Chandler"

Punk
07-11-2012, 02:30 PM
And Knicks fans are like a pot calling the kettle block. If Lopez contract is bad Chandler's is horrendous.

Brook Lopez: 20ppg & 7 rebounds, never made the playoffs, never apart of a winning team, never made Team USA team in any form or fashion.

Tyson Chandler: Defensive Player Of The Year, All Defensive Team, NBA Champion, Gold Medal & Starting for Team USA.

Yet, Lopez isn't overpaid but Chandler is? :laugh2:

Jroz
07-11-2012, 02:30 PM
How is Chandler a defensive center when he gets destroyed by Lopez routinely when they matchup?

I dont know, ask the league why they voted him DPOY and didnt ask Lopez to join the Olympic team...must be a conspiracy...

smood999
07-11-2012, 02:30 PM
Lol at all the Chandler comments...they keep getting more ridiculous and more ridiculous as this thread goes on...Brook Lopez is not on Chandler's level as far as impact..I don't even know how that is debateable...but with that said, you have to overpay for big men in the league today and the Nets are already over the cap so it really doesn't matter other than it takes them out of the running for Dwight once the signature is on the contract...

jmoney85
07-11-2012, 02:30 PM
ok marcus camby makes 4 million this year...you're telling me there is a 10 million dollar difference between chandler and camby?

smood999
07-11-2012, 02:31 PM
Brook Lopez: 20ppg & 7 rebounds, never made the playoffs, never apart of a winning team, never made Team USA team in any form or fashion.

Tyson Chandler: Defensive Player Of The Year, All Defensive Team, NBA Champion, Gold Medal & Starting for Team USA.

Yet, Lopez isn't overpaid but Chandler is? :laugh2:

you forgot all NBA team

Gritz
07-11-2012, 02:31 PM
If its a center who also happens to rebound fairly well and almost single singlehandedly turns one of the leagues worst defensive teams into one of the best then yea he's more than worth 13.5 mill. Kind of like Ben Wallace was worth the max despite being one of the worst offensive players of all time.

Idk, shumpert is slowly turning into an elite defender, and didn't Jared Jeffries lead the league in fouls drawn?

oak2455
07-11-2012, 02:31 PM
Im not hating Chandler seems like a nice leader and he is a good defender but for what he does he is worth no more than 10 million a year. Guy will not be remembered when it comes down to it, in 10 years nobody is even going to remember the name "Tyson Chandler"

but Brookie is worth a max :clap::clap::clap::clap:

TeamSeattle
07-11-2012, 02:32 PM
ok marcus camby makes 4 million this year...you're telling me there is a 10 million dollar difference between chandler and camby?

nets fans really reaching with this one

KnickFanSince91
07-11-2012, 02:32 PM
Brook Lopez is a center that played 35 mins/game and didn't average 6 rebounds per game in his last full 82 game season.

If that's not a max player, I don't know what is.

LTBaByyy
07-11-2012, 02:32 PM
Brooklyn now has 3 of the worst contracts in the league

Johnson
Lopez
Wallace

Punk
07-11-2012, 02:33 PM
Im not hating Chandler seems like a nice leader and he is a good defender but for what he does he is worth no more than 10 million a year. Guy will not be remembered when it comes down to it, in 10 years nobody is even going to remember the name "Tyson Chandler"

And who is going to remember "Brook Lopez" ?

GiantsSwaGG
07-11-2012, 02:33 PM
Tyson Chandler has played on some HORRIBLE teams in his career and couldn't put up double digit numbers if he tried. hahaha

actually no that is pretty sad

:facepalm: yet he's won the dpoy and was one of the reasons the Mavs won a championships...what has lopez accomplished?

29$JerZ
07-11-2012, 02:33 PM
Im not hating Chandler seems like a nice leader and he is a good defender but for what he does he is worth no more than 10 million a year. Guy will not be remembered when it comes down to it, in 10 years nobody is even going to remember the name "Tyson Chandler"

Same can be said for Joe Johnson who should never has reach the amount of money he did and will only be remembered for being one of the most awful contracts ever. Does that mean NJ isn't happy to have him now?

Short memory spans

jmoney85
07-11-2012, 02:33 PM
I dont know, ask the league why they voted him DPOY and didnt ask Lopez to join the Olympic team...must be a conspiracy...

maybe because lopez was rehabbing from a foot injury? lol.... chandler is only on the team because of injuries lets be real here

KniCks4LiFe
07-11-2012, 02:33 PM
So we only played 25 games? Good to know!

I don't see your point. Nowhere did I criticize Chandler. Is Chandler a #1 option on offense, no he isn't, yeh he led the league in shooting % so why didn't he get more touches? That ends that convo. As for DPOY, LeBron James was robbed, lets not even compare what they do. Chandler wasn't even the Knicks #1 defender, Iman Shumpert was, he's the one that was guarding wings and quick PGs and disrupting pick n' rolls and guarding SFs and sometimes PFs. Jefferies also deserves honerable mention, if Chandler was DPOY what the hell was Ibaka then?

waveycrockett
07-11-2012, 02:33 PM
I dont know, ask the league why they voted him DPOY and didnt ask Lopez to join the Olympic team...must be a conspiracy...

Actually the whole reason Chandler even made the team 2 years ago was because it was Lopez spot on the national team OVER chandler but wasn't well enough to play. Tyson Chandler was the plan b. Sorry bud.

jmoney85
07-11-2012, 02:35 PM
:facepalm: yet he's won the dpoy and was one of the reasons the Mavs won a championships...what has lopez accomplished?

ok and lopez has never had a good team to play on...why dont you look at the career numbers against each other... lopez slaughters him

Punk
07-11-2012, 02:35 PM
Funny how Tyson is overpaid and a bust but the Nets were going to offer him 60 million.

jayjay33
07-11-2012, 02:35 PM
Bust your foot Brook has only had one season in his life w/ injuries. The previous 3 seasons 82 out 82 games were played by him.

No team other than maybe a desperate Golden State team would offer Tyson Chandler a max contract. On the Lopez front CHA and some other team were said to be waiting till signing time to offer Lopez a deal. They have to likely match now.

After what Tyson has done the last 2 years (he changes your entire defense) and looking at the going rate for bigs. If you really believe that your insane. Hell ibaka is probably gonna get a close to max deal and tyson is a better anchor the him.

DoMeFavors
07-11-2012, 02:35 PM
Same can be said for Joe Johnson who should never has reach the amount of money he did and will only be remembered for being one of the most awful contracts ever. Does that mean NJ isn't happy to have him now?

Short memory spans

Joe Johnson does more than 1 thing, he can shoot, pass, post up, defend, is athletic. I put all that above Defense.

TeamSeattle
07-11-2012, 02:35 PM
And who is going to remember "Brook Lopez" ?

:laugh: :laugh:

LTBaByyy
07-11-2012, 02:36 PM
Joe Johnson at 20 +
Lopez at 14+
Wallace at 10 +

That's $44 million for those 3 players :laugh:

waveycrockett
07-11-2012, 02:36 PM
yet Ron Artest won the dpoy and was one of the reasons the Lakers won a championship...what has Carmelo Anthony accomplished?

Had to put this in Knicks terms for you.

GiantsSwaGG
07-11-2012, 02:36 PM
How many rebounds has Lopez averaged for a 7 footer?

DoMeFavors
07-11-2012, 02:36 PM
Funny how Tyson is overpaid and a bust but the Nets were going to offer him 60 million.

Ok and if the Nets signed him I would have said the same thing.

knicksfan42
07-11-2012, 02:37 PM
Idk, shumpert is slowly turning into an elite defender, and didn't Jared Jeffries lead the league in fouls drawn?

Shumpert is massively overrated. He's good defender, but he isn't that good ane we were good defensively with him out while we were abhorrent **** worst in the league defensively with TC out. JJ is a good defender too, but again we were fine without him defensively and he was a role player playing 15 mpg he was also with the Knicks for a bunch of seasons when our d sucked ***.

waveycrockett
07-11-2012, 02:37 PM
Joe Johnson at 20 +
Lopez at 14+
Wallace at 10 +

That's $44 million for those 3 players

Your second best player is Ian Mahimi:laugh2:

Jroz
07-11-2012, 02:37 PM
Can't wait until Howard ends up going elsewhere than Brooklyn and all these fans go back into their holes hhaahhahahhaha

nate2usmc
07-11-2012, 02:37 PM
Actually the whole reason Chandler even made the team 2 years ago was because it was Lopez spot on the national team OVER chandler but wasn't well enough to play. Tyson Chandler was the plan b. Sorry bud.

Oh so it's the same again this year right? Lopez is reliable enough for a Max then.

Centers are always gonna get paid high but this thread is hilarious!

ThunderousDemon
07-11-2012, 02:37 PM
Brooklyn dreams?

Via Sam Amick


I'll have an update up soon at SI.com, but there are signs that the Magic may just left Brooklyn fall out of this race for Dwight Howard with the way a deadline has now been applied for today.
"I don't think there's a deal there," said one source with knowledge of the Magic's dealings.

jmoney85
07-11-2012, 02:37 PM
I don't see your point. Nowhere did I criticize Chandler. Is Chandler a #1 option on offense, no he isn't, yeh he led the league in shooting % so why didn't he get more touches? That ends that convo. As for DPOY, LeBron James was robbed, lets not even compare what they do. Chandler wasn't even the Knicks #1 defender, Iman Shumpert was, he's the one that was guarding wings and quick PGs and disrupting pick n' rolls and guarding SFs and sometimes PFs. Jefferies also deserves honerable mention, if Chandler was DPOY what the hell was Ibaka then?

why cant more knicks fans be objective like you?

waveycrockett
07-11-2012, 02:38 PM
How many rebounds has Lopez averaged for a 7 footer?

How many has any 7 footer outside of Howard and Bynum averaged for their career?

Gritz
07-11-2012, 02:39 PM
This is going to be funny when ORL trades Howard for Lopez straight up lol

oak2455
07-11-2012, 02:39 PM
Your second best player is Ian Mahimi:laugh2:

they also have tons of caps space and some pretty decent players are FA's next year:eyebrow:

jmoney85
07-11-2012, 02:39 PM
Can't wait until Howard ends up going elsewhere than Brooklyn and all these fans go back into their holes hhaahhahahhaha

why would they?... its not like we dont have a top 5 center to fall back on

29$JerZ
07-11-2012, 02:39 PM
Joe Johnson does more than 1 thing, he can shoot, pass, post up, defend, is athletic. I put all that above Defense.

Tyson sets great screens, is one of the better Centers at tipping the ball back to the offense when he can't secure the rebound, is very efficient given his limited amount of touches, great shot alterer and is very athletic.

Seeing as how you cannot see what Tyson does and sadly say he only does 1 thing its great people with your mindset don't control teams.

smood999
07-11-2012, 02:40 PM
How is Chandler a defensive center when he gets destroyed by Lopez routinely when they matchup?

so he can't handle Lopez but he somehow literally shuts Dwight Howard down routinely...

8 pts 10 rbs

12 pts 5 rbs

8 pts 8 rbs

and no the Knicks did not double...it was Chandler straight up...

Lopez avg 5.9 rbs his last full season and in his 5 games this yr, we'll do the 4full games he played...4 games 30.3 min a game...3.75 rbs a game...that is pathetic for a 7 footer...

Chandler is a better defensive player than Lopez an offensive player as well...at this point of Lopez career there is no comparison...

Punk
07-11-2012, 02:40 PM
I don't see your point. Nowhere did I criticize Chandler. Is Chandler a #1 option on offense, no he isn't, yeh he led the league in shooting % so why didn't he get more touches? That ends that convo. As for DPOY, LeBron James was robbed, lets not even compare what they do. Chandler wasn't even the Knicks #1 defender, Iman Shumpert was, he's the one that was guarding wings and quick PGs and disrupting pick n' rolls and guarding SFs and sometimes PFs. Jefferies also deserves honerable mention, if Chandler was DPOY what the hell was Ibaka then?

You need to be a Nets fan. You are even worse.

1. Why the **** would Chandler get more touches? We have scorers. He's a defender that takes advantages of dunks, layups, free throws.

2. LeBron was not robbed. HE won MVP and that's that.

3. So what? The Knicks gave up 96ppg when Shumpert was out. When Chandler was out they gave up 118pgg. How the hell is Shumpert the best defender under those stats?

Jeffries? You are really reaching. If Jeffries was such a great defender why didn't we improve with him last season?

Shot blocking doesn't make you a great defender. That's why Ibaka was useless against Miami.

GiantsSwaGG
07-11-2012, 02:40 PM
I don't see your point. Nowhere did I criticize Chandler. Is Chandler a #1 option on offense, no he isn't, yeh he led the league in shooting % so why didn't he get more touches? That ends that convo. As for DPOY, LeBron James was robbed, lets not even compare what they do. Chandler wasn't even the Knicks #1 defender, Iman Shumpert was, he's the one that was guarding wings and quick PGs and disrupting pick n' rolls and guarding SFs and sometimes PFs. Jefferies also deserves honerable mention, if Chandler was DPOY what the hell was Ibaka then?

:facepalm: idk if you're trying to get cool points for bashing the Knicks and not trying to look like a homer or just don't watch basketball. The fact you actually said iman (who is a really good defender) is better than Chandler that's where I stop taking you seriously. But one question, when chandler was out how many points did we allowed in the paint and in the entire game? And when he was in what were the numbers?

D12 fan
07-11-2012, 02:41 PM
Brooklyn now has 3 of the worst contracts in the league

Johnson
Lopez
Wallace

Dallas isn't much better you will be left with Ramon Sessions as your big prize.lol


Seriously if I was Dirk I would ask for a trade,why waste a year of rebuilding?

smood999
07-11-2012, 02:41 PM
Joe Johnson does more than 1 thing, he can shoot, pass, post up, defend, is athletic. I put all that above Defense.

so if that's the case..Melo is a top 5 player in the league to you...

Jroz
07-11-2012, 02:41 PM
why would they?... its not like we dont have a top 5 center to fall back on

Top 5 center? hahhahahhah

KniCks4LiFe
07-11-2012, 02:42 PM
After what Tyson has done the last 2 years (he changes your entire defense) and looking at the going rate for bigs. If you really believe that your insane. Hell ibaka is probably gonna get a close to max deal and tyson is a better anchor the him.

don't get this twisted, he's a guy that's an extension of defensive coaching. But GMAFB, he wasn't the most important guy on defense in the NBA. Yes the Knicks are that bad w/o him on that court, b/c no one else is a shot blocker, but Iman Shumpert was the main guy, he was the most important defensive player on the Knicks. He's why there was a perimeter fall away shot instead of a drive to the whole and1. Even w/ that said no one can make the arguement that Tyson Chandler was DPOY over LeBron James, and I don't like LeBron.

jayjay33
07-11-2012, 02:42 PM
and can you guys stop riding chandlers nuts about a championship... its meaningless unless its the knicks... even adam morrison has 2 rings

Tyson was the second biggest reason behind dirk that Dallas won and they don't do so with out him. Comparing him to Morrison, kind proves you just being bias. Brook lopez is a lot better than he is getting credit for right now and he i not getting over paid considering to giong rate. But he does not have more of an impact than tyson....it just is what it is.

DoMeFavors
07-11-2012, 02:42 PM
Tyson sets great screens, is one of the better Centers at tipping the ball back to the offense when he can't secure the rebound, is very efficient given his limited amount of touches, great shot alterer and is very athletic.

Seeing as how you cannot see what Tyson does and sadly say he only does 1 thing its great people with your mindset don't control teams.

Your a knick fan so I can see why you are defending him but your letting yourself be a fan instead of looking at it on the outside. He is worth 14 million a year because he tips a ball back? Are you kidding me?
If you put Tyson Chandler on the team Lopez had in 09-10 I doubt they win a game. Its hard to find a center with the scoring ability of Lopez...defensive centers are easy to find.

D1JM
07-11-2012, 02:42 PM
so they gave up on howard

GiantsSwaGG
07-11-2012, 02:43 PM
ok and lopez has never had a good team to play on...why dont you look at the career numbers against each other... lopez slaughters him

Chandler played on a bad defensive team and made it great, how come Lopez couldn't do that offensively?

ThunderousDemon
07-11-2012, 02:44 PM
so they gave up on howard

Yep

Via Sam Amick


I'll have an update up soon at SI.com, but there are signs that the Magic may just left Brooklyn fall out of this race for Dwight Howard with the way a deadline has now been applied for today.
"I don't think there's a deal there," said one source with knowledge of the Magic's dealings.

jayjay33
07-11-2012, 02:44 PM
Tony Allen is a better defender than Chandler no way he gets a contract like Chandler...even if he started on an NBA team that won a championship.

This is an I dont understand basketball comment. :facepalm:

jmoney85
07-11-2012, 02:44 PM
Chandler played on a bad defensive team and made it great, how come Lopez couldn't do that offensively?

chandler made the team great on his own? you guys are getting foolish

KniCks4LiFe
07-11-2012, 02:44 PM
it's to a point IDC what they say. I'm going to speak objectively.

DoMeFavors
07-11-2012, 02:45 PM
so if that's the case..Melo is a top 5 player in the league to you...

Um no because all top 5 players are good at offense and defense not just offense, I see no top player that is just good at defense.

smood999
07-11-2012, 02:45 PM
why would they?... its not like we dont have a top 5 center to fall back on

that shipped sailed 2 yrs ago when he regressed greatly in his 3rd season...he has to prove himself again...that and his foot injury has been known to end careers...see Yao Ming...so they story may or may not be finished on that

....but the Nets had no choice esp if they weren't going to get Howard, it doesn't effect them since they are already over the cap, and you have to overpay bigs nowadays...

Gritz
07-11-2012, 02:45 PM
Chandler played on a bad defensive team and made it great, how come Lopez couldn't do that offensively?

Because you can take an offensive player out of the game or make it is more efficient for them to pass than to keep taking shots

oak2455
07-11-2012, 02:46 PM
this guy **** up the Dwight chase

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTYFMF9T3fZq2lpoL8l7c-MLckx-DmV6JXeEB2LIL5PhDbqIxcbTg

torocan
07-11-2012, 02:47 PM
it's to a point IDC what they say. I'm going to speak objectively.

Actually, by definition it's subjectively, as it's your opinion.

Now, if you want to bring in objective statistics to bolster that opinion, more power to you.

jmoney85
07-11-2012, 02:47 PM
that shipped sailed 2 yrs ago when he regressed greatly in his 3rd season...he has to prove himself again...that and his foot injury has been known to end careers...see Yao Ming...so they story may or may not be finished on that

....but the Nets had no choice esp if they weren't going to get Howard, it doesn't effect them since they are already over the cap, and you have to overpay bigs nowadays...

his 3rd season he was recovering from mono where he lost almost 30 pounds

Jroz
07-11-2012, 02:48 PM
going to be thinking about this comment all year..anytime I need a laugh i'll think of this day and this quote "why would they?... its not like we dont have a top 5 center to fall back on"

knicksfan42
07-11-2012, 02:48 PM
chandler made the team great on his own? you guys are getting foolish

Almost on his own, him and Woodson basically.

LTBaByyy
07-11-2012, 02:48 PM
Nets fans can make fun of the Mavs roster all they want

We have championship :dance:

Do you?? Hahahaha D Will Johnson Wallace Teletovic Lopez is a championship team?

:facepalm:

29$JerZ
07-11-2012, 02:48 PM
Your a knick fan so I can see why you are defending him but your letting yourself be a fan instead of looking at it on the outside. He is worth 14 million a year because he tips a ball back? Are you kidding me?
If you put Tyson Chandler on the team Lopez had in 09-10 I doubt they win a game. Its hard to find a center with the scoring ability of Lopez...defensive centers are easy to find.

He is worth 14 million because he is a DPOY, champion, and helped turn one of the most notorious worst defensive teams of the 2000's to a Top defensive team.

What has Brook done to prove he should earn more than Chandler? He scorers more but can't rebound, play defense, and has had some bad injuries lately.

Scoring Centers have become useless in today's NBA. The Thunder made the finals with Perkins as their Starting Center while Miami completely gave up on Anthony/Turiaf and used Bosh as a Center. Even in the WCF/ECF the centers for those teams were Duncan and KG. A scoring Center who can't do anything else is getting useless. The league is more speedy and athletic so having a Center who can score 20 but can't rebound/defend is a detriment.

smood999
07-11-2012, 02:48 PM
the only real negative thing anyone can say about the signing is that it takes them out of the Howard sweepstakes...but plz stop with this Chandler, Lopez nonsense..

Quietmoney
07-11-2012, 02:50 PM
All the Centers in the league are injured and there isnt even a lot of good centers in the leauge, DPOY with Dwight out, All defensive SECOND team, NBA champion so 15 a year win a championship, led NBA in fg % is that such a big deal.

Before 2 years ago he was a bench player who was traded for bums every year. Went to a playoff team with Dallas and won he ISNT worth his contract at all! You might like his leadership and defense but he isnt even close to worth that contract. Guy is a bust plain and simple.

Did you hear the USA team speaking about Chandler?? Nothing but high praises! Every time you hear Lopez, it's attached with draft picks trying to trade him for a real impact player. Everyone talks about Amare's rebounding, but Brooke Shields only was averaging about 5 a game and he's 7ft. Pathetic!

BSplaya2121
07-11-2012, 02:50 PM
ok marcus camby makes 4 million this year...you're telling me there is a 10 million dollar difference between chandler and camby?

no.... just a 10 year difference

GiantsSwaGG
07-11-2012, 02:50 PM
it's to a point IDC what they say. I'm going to speak objectively.

Good and we don't care about you, btw if you haven't proven your points with stats then it's your opinion...

Btw you still didn't answer my question.

And I got another one, what were the defensive numbers when iman was in and when he was out?

LakersSaintsLSU
07-11-2012, 02:51 PM
Brook signed with nets just heard on 710ESPN Mason and ireland 2 min ago

KniCks4LiFe
07-11-2012, 02:51 PM
Actually, by definition it's subjectively, as it's your opinion.

Now, if you want to bring in objective statistics to bolster that opinion, more power to you.

Yet I keep getting insulted. Hey whatever man. Join Punk and that TeamMelo clown. It doesn't matter to me.

The fact it has to be explained why LeBron James was the DPOY is the only opinion I have there. The fact some poster said just b/c he won the MVP he doesn't need the DPOY, so again my point is made, LeBron was the DPOY.

GiantsSwaGG
07-11-2012, 02:51 PM
L

DoMeFavors
07-11-2012, 02:52 PM
He is worth 14 million because he is a DPOY, champion, and helped turn one of the most notorious worst defensive teams of the 2000's to a Top defensive team.

What has Brook done to prove he should earn more than Chandler? He scorers more but can't rebound, play defense, and has had some bad injuries lately.

Scoring Centers have become useless in today's NBA. The Thunder made the finals with Perkins as their Starting Center while Miami completely gave up on Anthony/Turiaf and used Bosh as a Center. Even in the WCF/ECF the centers for those teams were Duncan and KG. A scoring Center who can't do anything else is getting useless. The league is more speedy and athletic so having a Center who can score 20 but can't rebound/defend is a detriment.

So if OKC never had Perkins they wouldnt have made the finals? Are you serious.

Exactly Bosh started for Miami he is a good scorer that doesnt play great defense so whats your point? Point is Knicks signed Chandler to become a championship team and last year proved them wrong.

GiantsSwaGG
07-11-2012, 02:53 PM
Lopez gets a pass because he played on a bad team...

I thought the Knicks were bad...

Melo overrated
Stat sucks
Lin sucks

Yet Tyson doesn't get a pass :laugh:

Jroz
07-11-2012, 02:53 PM
Brook signed with nets just heard on 710ESPN Mason and ireland 2 min ago

he signed his 4 year 58mil contract..doesnt mean he isnt being signed and traded today or staying with brooklyn..we all knew he was getting signed today hah

speakerboxx
07-11-2012, 02:53 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski:This is Brooklyn's way to stave off Lopez signing an offer sheet elsewhere, and crushing a sign-and-trade possibility for Dwight Howard

yep...that's right...No Dwight Howard...

oak2455
07-11-2012, 02:53 PM
there he is

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHLHSn1Z1NSSnl2MCC2MhGaOgYijnRy L8lezufbaG7Rh1fCe6uzw

jayjay33
07-11-2012, 02:54 PM
:laugh:

Because they ARE NOT AMERICAN. Gasol plays for Spain, Nene plays for Brazil, Horford plays for Dominican Republic, Bogut plays for Australia.


Nice try. Stick to being a troll. Intelligence doesn't work.

I think that was his point.

GiantsSwaGG
07-11-2012, 02:54 PM
So if OKC never had Perkins they wouldnt have made the finals? Are you serious.

Exactly Bosh started for Miami he is a good scorer that doesnt play great defense so whats your point? Point is Knicks signed Chandler to become a championship team and last year proved them wrong.

Weren't they winning games without bosh and with a defensive c in haslem and Joel Anthony?

Quietmoney
07-11-2012, 02:55 PM
He is worth 14 million because he is a DPOY, champion, and helped turn one of the most notorious worst defensive teams of the 2000's to a Top defensive team.

What has Brook done to prove he should earn more than Chandler? He scorers more but can't rebound, play defense, and has had some bad injuries lately.

Scoring Centers have become useless in today's NBA. The Thunder made the finals with Perkins as their Starting Center while Miami completely gave up on Anthony/Turiaf and used Bosh as a Center. Even in the WCF/ECF the centers for those teams were Duncan and KG. A scoring Center who can't do anything else is getting useless. The league is more speedy and athletic so having a Center who can score 20 but can't rebound/defend is a detriment.

Preach brother! Educate these Nets fans... Forgive them.. They know not what they do... Can I get an Amen?? :clap:

DoMeFavors
07-11-2012, 02:56 PM
Weren't they winning games without bosh and with a defensive c in haslem and Joel Anthony?

Fact is a championship team is a championship team a championship team doesnt have to be a defensive or offensive center. The entire team makes a difference.

29$JerZ
07-11-2012, 02:57 PM
So if OKC never had Perkins they wouldnt have made the finals? Are you serious.

Exactly Bosh started for Miami he is a good scorer that doesnt play great defense so whats your point? Point is Knicks signed Chandler to become a championship team and last year proved them wrong.

Thunder's entire front court can't score. They have Perkins/Ibaka/Collison and still made it to the Finals. Notice how they don't have a scoring Center like Lopez?

Bosh rebounds, scores, and plays defense.
Tyson rebounds, plays defense, and scores efficiently enough to be a factor on offense.
Lopez just scores.

PF's are being used as Centers now. A Pure scoring Center(who does nothing else) is pretty much near worthless in today's NBA.

If you can't see this then I'm done talking to you. It's like talking to a wall.

GiantsSwaGG
07-11-2012, 02:57 PM
Yet I keep getting insulted. Hey whatever man. Join Punk and that TeamMelo clown. It doesn't matter to me.

The fact it has to be explained why LeBron James was the DPOY is the only opinion I have there. The fact some poster said just b/c he won the MVP he doesn't need the DPOY, so again my point is made, LeBron was the DPOY.

No one cares, yet cared enough to put us in his sig :laugh: gtfoh

nystandup
07-11-2012, 02:58 PM
So if OKC never had Perkins they wouldnt have made the finals? Are you serious.

Exactly Bosh started for Miami he is a good scorer that doesnt play great defense so whats your point? Point is Knicks signed Chandler to become a championship team and last year proved them wrong.

Your forgetting that Miami had Joel Anthony and Haslem to do a lot of the dirty work for them. Your right, Knicks signed Chandler to help them become a championship caliber team and have failed at that but not because of him. Chandler was probably the most consistent player on the Knicks last season. Factors include the shortened season with a shortened training camp and not a lot of time to gel together, and a mid season coaching change.

Once Woodson took over, the team mentality changed and there is no denying that. it should be interesting to see how the Knicks respond this year under Woodson having more of a defensive mentality than D'Antoni.

torocan
07-11-2012, 02:59 PM
Yet I keep getting insulted. Hey whatever man. Join Punk and that TeamMelo clown. It doesn't matter to me.

The fact it has to be explained why LeBron James was the DPOY is the only opinion I have there. The fact some poster said just b/c he won the MVP he doesn't need the DPOY, so again my point is made, LeBron was the DPOY.

Who's insulting? Just pointing out that by definition an opinion is subjective.

As to whether LBJ should have been DPOY, once again that's an opinion. Personally, I have my own opinion (which happens to agree with yours on that), but it helps if you toss out some stats to back up your assertion.

In practical terms, I can see why LBJ would NOT be DPOY because he was the frontrunner for MVP. While he may have been deserving, they almost never give MVP + DPOY to the same player. Just the way it is.

The fact is, opinions aside, LBJ didn't win it, and that's that.

oak2455
07-11-2012, 02:59 PM
is there a way to block all Net fans?? because after today they will be really mad

GiantsSwaGG
07-11-2012, 02:59 PM
Fact is a championship team is a championship team a championship team doesnt have to be a defensive or offensive center. The entire team makes a difference.

Who were the scoring center for the celtics and the mavs when they won?

oak2455
07-11-2012, 03:00 PM
Via Ken Berger

Quote:
Magic not moved by Nets' trade offers
Sorry Nets fans.

GiantsSwaGG
07-11-2012, 03:00 PM
What has Lopez done? :laugh:

DoMeFavors
07-11-2012, 03:01 PM
Thunder's entire front court can't score. They have Perkins/Ibaka/Collison and still made it to the Finals. Notice how they don't have a scoring Center like Lopez?

Bosh rebounds, scores, and plays defense.
Tyson rebounds, plays defense, and scores efficiently enough to be a factor on offense.
Lopez just scores.

PF's are being used as Centers now. A Pure scoring Center(who does nothing else) is pretty much near worthless in today's NBA.

If you can't see this then I'm done talking to you. It's like talking to a wall.

Same could be said about you.

KingPosey
07-11-2012, 03:01 PM
Man a lot of you guys have just forgot how good Brook is, how young he is, and how much better he can get.

T.I.-KingofRap
07-11-2012, 03:01 PM
Brook Lopez is overrated just like Blake Griffin.

GiantsSwaGG
07-11-2012, 03:02 PM
Via Ken Berger

Quote:
Magic not moved by Nets' trade offers
Sorry Nets fans.

I don't blame them, why trade a superstar for scrubs!

Jroz
07-11-2012, 03:02 PM
Same could be said about you.

really..we should start a poll on PSD asking people on here who makes more sense..him or you hahahha

DoMeFavors
07-11-2012, 03:02 PM
Your forgetting that Miami had Joel Anthony and Haslem to do a lot of the dirty work for them. Your right, Knicks signed Chandler to help them become a championship caliber team and have failed at that but not because of him. Chandler was probably the most consistent player on the Knicks last season. Factors include the shortened season with a shortened training camp and not a lot of time to gel together, and a mid season coaching change.

Once Woodson took over, the team mentality changed and there is no denying that. it should be interesting to see how the Knicks respond this year under Woodson having more of a defensive mentality than D'Antoni.

You cant go by ifs , Chandler sucked in the playoffs and dont give me that flu nonsense he was terrible on offense and defense.

KniCks4LiFe
07-11-2012, 03:02 PM
Who's insulting? Just pointing out that by definition an opinion is subjective.

As to whether LBJ should have been DPOY, once again that's an opinion. Personally, I have my own opinion (which happens to agree with yours on that), but it helps if you toss out some stats to back up your assertion.

In practical terms, I can see why LBJ would NOT be DPOY because he was the frontrunner for MVP. While he may have been deserving, they almost never give MVP + DPOY to the same player. Just the way it is.

The fact is, opinions aside, LBJ didn't win it, and that's that.

Sorry about that.

I don't even think it needs explaining. He didn't win but I'm not going to act like Tyson was DPOY. Yes he was awarded it, IMO it was James.

I agree.

Punk
07-11-2012, 03:02 PM
Can't wait to see Deron yell at Lopez for not defending properly like he always does.

jmoney85
07-11-2012, 03:03 PM
Brook Lopez is overrated just like Blake Griffin.

everybody thinks brook is trash so how is he overrated?

DoMeFavors
07-11-2012, 03:04 PM
Can't wait to see Deron yell at Lopez for not defending properly like he always does.

is that supposed to offend anyone?

JayAllDay
07-11-2012, 03:04 PM
Net fans play more defense than their entire team. Geez.
It's a terrible contract for a guy who has sustained a major foot injury then a bad ankle injury in a week span last season. Fully guaranteeing it also makes it harder to make Orlando take it.

Best thing I've read this week

GiantsSwaGG
07-11-2012, 03:05 PM
everybody thinks brook is trash so how is he overrated?

Because he is

popo85
07-11-2012, 03:05 PM
I don't blame them, why trade a superstar for scrubs!

Knicks offer>>>Nets offer, if they gave one:D

KniCks4LiFe
07-11-2012, 03:06 PM
No one cares, yet cared enough to put us in his sig :laugh: gtfoh

well you're in my sig so I can remember not to post to y'all anymore. Since you want to know. But have fun insulting Knicks fans on being "your version of true Knicks fan" I promise this is the last post between us. Peace homie.:cool:

Punk
07-11-2012, 03:06 PM
Sorry about that.

I don't even think it needs explaining. He didn't win but I'm not going to act like Tyson was DPOY. Yes he was awarded it, IMO it was James.

I agree.

Nobody is saying your opinion is wrong or hates you. Because it's your opinion but LeBron was not DPOY. He was the overall best player but not DPOY.

LeBron did not take a bottom defensive team like the Knicks to Top 5. Like I said, the Knicks allowed 118ppg when Chandler was out. That pretty much confirmed it.

DoMeFavors
07-11-2012, 03:07 PM
Thing is Nets have a legit scoring option at every position and can use them on players that play bad defense. Deron,JJ,Wallace,Mizar,Lopez can all score.

LakersSaintsLSU
07-11-2012, 03:08 PM
At the 1:58 mark im in CST they break it

ewmania
07-11-2012, 03:08 PM
LMAO... you forget chandler makes 15 per?

u forget chandler is DPOY, and Lopez is .... well his.... umm... Lopez

DoMeFavors
07-11-2012, 03:09 PM
Nobody is saying your opinion is wrong or hates you. Because it's your opinion but LeBron was not DPOY. He was the overall best player but not DPOY.

LeBron did not take a bottom defensive team like the Knicks to Top 5. Like I said, the Knicks allowed 118ppg when Chandler was out. That pretty much confirmed it.

NBA coaches disagree

TeamSeattle
07-11-2012, 03:09 PM
well you're in my sig so I can remember not to post to y'all anymore. Since you want to know. But have fun insulting Knicks fans on being "your version of true Knicks fan" I promise this is the last post between us. Peace homie.:cool:

Really taking it that seriously, this is only the internet man. We know full well you've been a fan for a while. Take it in context for the objective things. Sorry man.

NYKnickFanatic
07-11-2012, 03:09 PM
People have to look for threads.

Punk
07-11-2012, 03:09 PM
everybody thinks brook is trash so how is he overrated?

He is overrated by Net fans. He's a solid player but Hibbert has surpassed him and right now until proven otherwise, Lopez is on the same level with Bargnani and the next Kaman.

the_color_finn
07-11-2012, 03:10 PM
Because he is

Overpaid? Grossly. Overrated? Not even close. Can't be overrated when most people already rate you low...

nystandup
07-11-2012, 03:10 PM
You cant go by ifs , Chandler sucked in the playoffs and dont give me that flu nonsense he was terrible on offense and defense.

So what can you go by? Lopez hasn't even been in the playoffs, better off he hasn't won a DPOY award or an NBA Championship as a teams starting Center.

Really? You don't think that a player having the flu can affect their game in a negative way?

Losoway
07-11-2012, 03:11 PM
sign and trade

Punk
07-11-2012, 03:11 PM
NBA coaches disagree

Coaches voted Tyson to All Defensive 2nd Team. That has nothing to do with LeBron.

Keep trying.

FraziersKnicks
07-11-2012, 03:11 PM
LMAO... you forget chandler makes 15 per?

You forget he's DPOY of the year?

T.I.-KingofRap
07-11-2012, 03:11 PM
they'll regret it

GiantsSwaGG
07-11-2012, 03:12 PM
well you're in my sig so I can remember not to post to y'all anymore. Since you want to know. But have fun insulting Knicks fans on being "your version of true Knicks fan" I promise this is the last post between us. Peace homie.:cool:

When Knicks vs Nets and Knicks whooping that ***...think twice about posting on the Knicks forum or anything positive about the Knicks period. IMO most Knicks fans are either homers or clueless...at end of the day I don't know you homie nor care. Enjoy ya psd career dog!

nystandup
07-11-2012, 03:12 PM
You forget he's DPOY of the year?

Don't you know because he's a Knick that award doesn't count for anything?

DoMeFavors
07-11-2012, 03:12 PM
So what can you go by? Lopez hasn't even been in the playoffs, better off he hasn't won a DPOY award or an NBA Championship as a teams starting Center.

Really? You don't think that a player having the flu can affect their game in a negative way?

I put Chandler at Fishers level in terms of ability, won an NBA ring starting and is a good leader but just flat out sucks...lacks a lot of talent.
I know most of you think I hate on the Knicks or something but they are a close almost hometown team to me and I root for them in the playoffs, but Chandler flat out sucks...I know you want to believe in your minds the Knicks made a good choice signing him to that deal but it was terrible.

Jroz
07-11-2012, 03:13 PM
Can anyone explain this to me...If Howard only wanted to go to Brooklyn...why doesnt he wait until next year?..play this one season whether it was with Orlando or some rental team...become a free agent, size with Nets for the max...if the Nets just gave Lopez 4 years 58 million, why didnt they just let him leave and give it to Howard next year..he has to move now or never?....

LTBaByyy
07-11-2012, 03:13 PM
This team is still bad.

Congrats Nets :clap:

HaruSoul
07-11-2012, 03:14 PM
Can anyone explain this to me...If Howard only wanted to go to Brooklyn...why doesnt he wait until next year?..play this one season whether it was with Orlando or some rental team...become a free agent, size with Nets for the max...if the Nets just gave Lopez 4 years 58 million, why didnt they just let him leave and give it to Howard next year..he has to move now or never?....

Because Dwight is a ****ing idiot.

ewmania
07-11-2012, 03:14 PM
i thought sign and trades meant like you sign them to the other team... why are people saying sign and trade lol

i didnt see anything about a trade just a signing lol

Jroz
07-11-2012, 03:14 PM
no seriously..there has to be a reason...

nystandup
07-11-2012, 03:14 PM
I put Chandler at Fishers level in terms of ability, won an NBA ring starting and is a good leader but just flat out sucks...lacks a lot of talent.
I know most of you think I hate on the Knicks or something but they are a close almost hometown team to me and I root for them in the playoffs, but Chandler flat out sucks...I know you want to believe in your minds the Knicks made a good choice signing him to that deal but it was terrible.

Why hasn't Fisher ever played on Team USA or won a Defensive Player of the Year Award?

LakersSaintsLSU
07-11-2012, 03:15 PM
Can anyone explain this to me...If Howard only wanted to go to Brooklyn...why doesnt he wait until next year?..play this one season whether it was with Orlando or some rental team...become a free agent, size with Nets for the max...if the Nets just gave Lopez 4 years 58 million, why didnt they just let him leave and give it to Howard next year..he has to move now or never?....
SUPER valid point...same with melo though with NY they def should have waited

ewmania
07-11-2012, 03:15 PM
and how does people know dwight said only brooklyn? why because a bunch of reporters who dont know jack crap told u?

i never heard dwight publicity state just Brooklyn, have we?

I swear a year ago I heard melo wanted the nets?? what happen to that

jayjay33
07-11-2012, 03:15 PM
Thunder's entire front court can't score. They have Perkins/Ibaka/Collison and still made it to the Finals. Notice how they don't have a scoring Center like Lopez?

Bosh rebounds, scores, and plays defense.
Tyson rebounds, plays defense, and scores efficiently enough to be a factor on offense.
Lopez just scores.

PF's are being used as Centers now. A Pure scoring Center(who does nothing else) is pretty much near worthless in today's NBA.

If you can't see this then I'm done talking to you. It's like talking to a wall.

Now your going waaaay over board. Lopez is a guy who needs to be next to a good defender/rebounder Pf. But he is still a good player and a valuable asset to a team. To say he is near worthless is a ridiculous and utterly bias comment not based in reality.

nystandup
07-11-2012, 03:15 PM
I put Chandler at Fishers level in terms of ability, won an NBA ring starting and is a good leader but just flat out sucks...lacks a lot of talent.
I know most of you think I hate on the Knicks or something but they are a close almost hometown team to me and I root for them in the playoffs, but Chandler flat out sucks...I know you want to believe in your minds the Knicks made a good choice signing him to that deal but it was terrible.

You do know that Joe Johnson plays for the Nets right?

nicegoing
07-11-2012, 03:16 PM
Why do you guys bother arguing over stupid ****. Everyone knows Chandler is good, why bother arguing with her, she's clearly wrong. Just put her on your ignore list.

ewmania
07-11-2012, 03:16 PM
Why hasn't Fisher ever played on Team USA or won a Defensive Player of the Year Award?

hahaha, no need in arguing with a troll... thats hilarious he would say that

knicksfan42
07-11-2012, 03:17 PM
He is overrated by Net fans. He's a solid player but Hibbert has surpassed him and right now until proven otherwise, Lopez is on the same level with Bargnani and the next Kaman.

He wishes he could rebound like Kaman. The last full season Lopez played (played 35 MPG and played all 82 games) and averaged 6 RPG (on a TRB% of 10%). To put that into perspective there were shooting guards who rebounded better than him, Landry Fields out rebounded him. Lopez is the worst rebounding center in the NBA next to Bargnani. Lopez has gotten worse at rebounding every year with his TRB% going from 15.8% to 13.5% to 10.%. He is a liability on the court.