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Mile High Champ
07-10-2012, 11:55 PM
Hey guys, Some of you may remember that for the last four years I have conducted a poll at the end of the season that had PSD users vote for the top 10 players at each position. The season is now over and the Heat have been crowned NBA champs which means its time to kick off the off-season player rankings.

A lot has changed since last season. Lebron was labelled by some as Choke Artist in the clutch and now this year had one of the greatest finals performances in recent memory. Let start the discussion since lots has changed since the start of last season. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for one day and than we can carry on to the next best player at that position. I will add more players after each round. I have also included the results of those last 4 years so everyone can see how much things have changed...Enjoy.

REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best

MHC Top 6 SG Head to Head Stats Comparison (CLICK HERE) (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=gordoer01&y1=2012&p2=johnsjo02&y2=2012&p3=ginobma01&y3=2012&p4=ellismo01&y4=2012&p5=hardeja01&y5=2012&p6=martike02&y6=2012)


2012 Off-Season PSD SG Rankings

1) Kobe Bryant
2) Dwyane Wade
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2011 Off-Season PSD SG Rankings

1) Dwyane Wade
2) Kobe Bryant
3) Manu Ginobili
4) Joe Johnson
5) Monta Ellis
6) Kevin Martin
7) Ray Allen
8) Eric Gordon
9) Jason Terry
10) James Harden

2010 Off-Season SG Rankings

1) Kobe Bryant
2) Dwyane Wade
3) Brandon Roy
4) Joe Johnson
5) Manu Ginobili
6) Monta Ellis
7) Ray Allen
8) Stephen Jackson
9) O.J. Mayo
10) Jason Richardson

2009 Off-Season SG Rankings:

1) Kobe Bryant
2) Dwayne Wade
3) Brandon Roy
4) Joe Johnson
5) Vince Carter
6) Manu Ginobili
7) Ray Allen
8) Kevin Martin
9) Ben Gordon
10) Richard Hamilton

2008 Off-Season SG rankings:

1) Kobe Bryant
2) Dwayne Wade
3) Tracy McGrady
4) Allen Iverson
5) Manu Ginobili
5) Vince Carter
7) Joe Johnson
8) Ray Allen
9) Brandon Roy
10) Kevin Martin

Mile High Champ
07-10-2012, 11:59 PM
List is extra long since SG has become such an awful position for great talent these days.

SportsFanatic10
07-10-2012, 11:59 PM
i still think its manu if healthy

nicegoing
07-11-2012, 12:00 AM
Manu, but I don't feel good about it. Heads up those 0 post guys will probably vote here too.

Avenged
07-11-2012, 12:02 AM
Ginobiliiiiiiiiii!

Baller1
07-11-2012, 12:04 AM
My man James Harden.

Swashcuff
07-11-2012, 12:05 AM
List is extra long since SG has become such an awful position for great talent these days.

Actually talent isn't the issue at the SG the issue is injuries. Eric Gordon, Manu and Brandon Roy not being on the floor as much as we would have liked really has given the SG a bad look. I mean if all those players were healthy I honestly think Joe Johnson would struggle to crack the top 6 (actually he wouldn't) then you'd still have Monta Ellis, Kevin Martin (also once healthy) and well a considerable gap.

xxplayerxx23
07-11-2012, 12:06 AM
KObe @ 1 0_0 Ill go Manu here

GoPacers33
07-11-2012, 12:15 AM
James Harden

mvb815
07-11-2012, 12:16 AM
harden, but manu is 4th

OKC
07-11-2012, 12:17 AM
i had to go with harden. manu, johnson, gordon, allen all didnt have a great season.
ellis was close but i realy felt like harden steped up his game this year.

tredigs
07-11-2012, 12:18 AM
The more you look at it, the more it's Harden (at least for me).

Advanced stats are shining oddly high on Manu, but that's just the thing - they're oddly high - and it's a product of playing 23 minutes a game in limited games. 125 Offensive rating for the two of them though. That's hilariously good.

But yeah, give me the guy who's played every game the past couple years and maintained high end production throughout the playoffs. 6th man of the year of current beats oft-injured 6th man of the year of old.

nbrod
07-11-2012, 12:24 AM
Harden then Manu

b@llhog24
07-11-2012, 01:03 AM
Manu.

Munkeysuit
07-11-2012, 01:25 AM
Harden? over Eric Gordon? come on guys really now...

b@llhog24
07-11-2012, 01:28 AM
Harden? over Eric Gordon? come on guys really now...

Yes Harden over Mr. Glass.

SugeKnight
07-11-2012, 01:43 AM
Yes Harden over Mr. Glass.

Says the guy with the Brandon Roy sig.


I think Gordon, Ellis, Manu, and JJ are better than Harden. His efficiency is overrated. Put any of those guys in Hardens role and they will be as efficient. Harden is not as talented as these other guys.

b@llhog24
07-11-2012, 02:04 AM
Yes Harden over Mr. Glass.

Says the guy with the Brandon Roy sig.


I think Gordon, Ellis, Manu, and JJ are better than Harden. His efficiency is overrated. Put any of those guys in Hardens role and they will be as efficient. Harden is not as talented as these other guys.

A Warriors fan making a joke about injured players? (To easy). Roy was a better player than all of them so thats irrelevant. Btw your opinion is false JJ HAS been in a role similar to Harden and he has NEVER put up a season as efficient as Harden and i picked Manu idk what you're getting at. As for Ellis I'm not even touching that.

SugeKnight
07-11-2012, 02:17 AM
A Warriors fan making a joke about injured players? (To easy). Roy was a better player than all of them so thats irrelevant. Btw your opinion is false JJ HAS been in a role similar to Harden and he has NEVER put up a season as efficient as Harden and i picked Manu idk what you're getting at. As for Ellis I'm not even touching that.

touche. I loved Roy, I was just making a joke bruh.

b@llhog24
07-11-2012, 02:36 AM
touche. I loved Roy, I was just making a joke bruh.

:o Sorry man its hard to pick that up sometimes over the computer. :cheers:

raiderposting
07-11-2012, 03:10 AM
harden is so overrated.

HuRRiCaNeS324
07-11-2012, 03:10 AM
Wow Kobe>Wade?

You guys are ****ing ********

IversonIsKrazy
07-11-2012, 03:26 AM
Now this pick is very interesting imo! James Harden or Manu Ginobili.
Since this is a poll of right now, which is based on last year's performance, I think it will be the LAST year I will take Manu over Harden, I think Harden will take over #3 next season. Then I again this might be biased... MMMAAAANNNNNUUUUUUUUU!!

Vinny642
07-11-2012, 04:09 AM
Give me Manu here

MintBerryCrunch
07-11-2012, 04:38 AM
Manu
Gordon
Harden
Ellis

Legggo

MintBerryCrunch
07-11-2012, 04:39 AM
Wow Kobe>Wade?

You guys are ****ing ********

Miami Hurricans sig..

A bit biased are we?

thenaj17
07-11-2012, 04:47 AM
Has to be Ginobli for me. He is the main catalyst for the Spurs offense, which was 1st in the league. For me, he has been underrated leaguewide for years.

Baller1
07-11-2012, 04:52 AM
You guys do realize Harden had a historic season for a SG of his age, right? The only other SG's to outperform him at that age were MJ, Kobe, Wade, and Manu... And that's just slightly. Harden is the third best SG in this league, period.

MintBerryCrunch
07-11-2012, 05:42 AM
You guys do realize Harden had a historic season for a SG of his age, right? The only other SG's to outperform him at that age were MJ, Kobe, Wade, and Manu... And that's just slightly. Harden is the third best SG in this league, period.

Just because he is showing he has amazing upside does not mean that he's currently a better and more reliable player than Manu .

disgruntledbull
07-11-2012, 05:48 AM
this has to be manu. especially after hardens non performance in the finals

Knicks21
07-11-2012, 05:51 AM
Manu if healthy, Harden is close though.

YoungOne
07-11-2012, 06:18 AM
damn this list looks pretty weak. manu easily

Vinny642
07-11-2012, 07:39 AM
Monte Ellis???

Vinny642
07-11-2012, 07:42 AM
Wow Kobe>Wade?

You guys are ****ing ********

Says the Miami Heat fan:rolleyes:

King41
07-11-2012, 08:43 AM
i have vote for gordon ! he deserves it

Glen20
07-11-2012, 09:19 AM
5-10 is going to be a killer to figure out

Hawkeye15
07-11-2012, 09:56 AM
ugh, Manu in a tough decision for me, though I think Harden clearly passes him this season.

Hawkeye15
07-11-2012, 09:57 AM
talk about running out of options after the next selection....

SG position is so weak.

NBA-GMaster
07-11-2012, 10:40 AM
Harden and Ginobili on 3rd and 4th.. 5th goes to Ellis..

Swashcuff
07-11-2012, 11:49 AM
I find it funny that during the regular season everyone was considering Harden to be the 3rd best SG in the NBA all through the year and now that the season is over suddenly Manu is better.

What's up with that?

Honestly based on their play last season I can't see any case for Manu over Harden here. Manu played just 23 minutes per game.

How can Harden been declared as the 3rd best SG all through the season and now as soon as the season is over he isn't anymore. :confused:

Ezio
07-11-2012, 11:53 AM
Paul 2" George will take over... as soon as Granger is let go. But is he really considered a SG?

Chronz
07-11-2012, 11:54 AM
Harden

Baller1
07-11-2012, 12:16 PM
Just because he is showing he has amazing upside does not mean that he's currently a better and more reliable player than Manu .

I said nothing about upside. What he did last year was historically good by a SG that young... That's called performance, not potential. Harden is a top three SG.

tredigs
07-11-2012, 12:19 PM
For those picking Manu over Harden, what is your argument? Hawk?

Baller1
07-11-2012, 12:25 PM
I find it funny that during the regular season everyone was considering Harden to be the 3rd best SG in the NBA all through the year and now that the season is over suddenly Manu is better.

What's up with that?

Honestly based on their play last season I can't see any case for Manu over Harden here. Manu played just 23 minutes per game.

How can Harden been declared as the 3rd best SG all through the season and now as soon as the season is over he isn't anymore. :confused:

His Finals performance I guess...

Which is somewhat fair, but it's the finals and he's 22. What do people expect? Perfection? He was incredible in every other moment this season, but the Finals are fresh in people's mind. That's ultimately going to lose it for Harden.

Hawkeye15
07-11-2012, 12:26 PM
For those picking Manu over Harden, what is your argument? Hawk?

it would be a waste of time to make an argument, seeing as I think its a toss up. I can see why someone would choose either honestly. As I said though, I think Harden bumps Manu next season for sure, if he already hasn't.

Kashmir13579
07-11-2012, 12:26 PM
I gotta take Manu here.

Yes, he played only 23 minutes a game, and yes, he only played in 34 games; but WHEN he was playing he clearly showed he's still Manu Ginobili. Manu Ginobili is still better than James Harden, if only by a few inches.

Next year may be a different story.

nicegoing
07-11-2012, 12:30 PM
It's all downhill from here.

KnicksR4Real
07-11-2012, 12:42 PM
JR smith should be added he's a solid sg and since all of these guys are all pretty much about the same he could be added.

Kashmir13579
07-11-2012, 12:45 PM
^ no

Chronz
07-11-2012, 12:57 PM
I gotta take Manu here.

Yes, he played only 23 minutes a game, and yes, he only played in 34 games; but WHEN he was playing he clearly showed he's still Manu Ginobili. Manu Ginobili is still better than James Harden, if only by a few inches.

Next year may be a different story.

Playoffs?

Chavacano
07-11-2012, 01:07 PM
James "The Last Spartan" Harden.

asap_simba
07-11-2012, 01:11 PM
Not a big harden fan but I'd have to go with him here.

Jarvo
07-11-2012, 01:41 PM
Manu!

StarvingKnick22
07-11-2012, 01:46 PM
the hard beardman

Young2Kinsler
07-11-2012, 01:48 PM
Harden is a role player...not a top 3 SG in the NBA. He doesn't even start at SG for his own team lmaoz

Young2Kinsler
07-11-2012, 01:49 PM
JR smith should be added he's a solid sg and since all of these guys are all pretty much about the same he could be added.

No, No, Never, No, No...NO NEVER. I could add 50 more players before JR Smith

Chavacano
07-11-2012, 01:58 PM
Harden is a role player...not a top 3 SG in the NBA. He doesn't even start at SG for his own team lmaoz

:confused:


No, No, Never, No, No...NO NEVER. I could add 50 more players before JR Smith

Name them. :eyebrow:

tredigs
07-11-2012, 03:06 PM
I just can't honestly vote for a guy who put up 12 points a game from the shooting guard position as #3 in the league. We can go far more advanced and intricate than that, but that is essentially what it breaks down to. Manu was not better than Harden this season. And I don't see him ever being as good as Harden again. Therefore...

ManningToTyree
07-11-2012, 03:22 PM
harden

Kashmir13579
07-11-2012, 03:47 PM
I just can't honestly vote for a guy who put up 12 points a game from the shooting guard position as #3 in the league. We can go far more advanced and intricate than that, but that is essentially what it breaks down to. Manu was not better than Harden this season. And I don't see him ever being as good as Harden again. Therefore...

Isn't there some contradiction in this bit?

MintBerryCrunch
07-11-2012, 04:01 PM
I said nothing about upside. What he did last year was historically good by a SG that young... That's called performance, not potential. Harden is a top three SG.

Since you say so , it must be true!

b@llhog24
07-11-2012, 04:03 PM
Since you say so , it must be true!

It is. :shrug:

unleashthebeast
07-11-2012, 04:04 PM
Manu for sure here. Probably Harden next.

tredigs
07-11-2012, 04:25 PM
Isn't there some contradiction in this bit?

No, I don't think so. Because ultimately Harden's increased production (resulting in higher ppg, etc) makes his advanced stats all the more impressive than Manu's. Especially when playoffs are taken into consideration (where Harden easily outplayed Manu).

Harden's suffering here from a couple poor games in the finals - where the majority of fans/voters here mainly watched OKC, and people are also subject to voting based on the most recent game they saw. I think Kobe/Wade was due to a similar occurence..

Kashmir13579
07-11-2012, 04:35 PM
No, I don't think so. Because ultimately Harden's increased production (resulting in higher ppg, etc) makes his advanced stats all the more impressive than Manu's. Especially when playoffs are taken into consideration (where Harden easily outplayed Manu).

Harden's suffering here from a couple poor games in the finals - where the majority of fans/voters here mainly watched OKC, and people are also subject to voting based on the most recent game they saw. I think Kobe/Wade was due to a similar occurence..

Kobe should still be on the board, but thats neither here nor there.

What about Manu's distribution, which was basically at an all-time high? That counts for something.

BTW i see an argument for both sides. I don't disagree with anyone who picks Harden over Manu. I just think in this condensed season, with all the ups and downs, Manu produced well enough for me to believe there isn't anything suggesting he will fall off next year. If Manu played his standard MPG, i don't think his advanced metrics would've dropped considerably. His offensive rating would've dropped a bit, probably to around where Harden's is.

Jarvo
07-11-2012, 04:54 PM
Manu, Monta, Harden, Gordon

greg_ory_2005
07-11-2012, 05:04 PM
Gotta go with Gino on this one.

Toastyy
07-11-2012, 06:07 PM
You need to add Klay Thompson

tredigs
07-11-2012, 08:44 PM
Kobe should still be on the board, but thats neither here nor there.

What about Manu's distribution, which was basically at an all-time high? That counts for something.

BTW i see an argument for both sides. I don't disagree with anyone who picks Harden over Manu. I just think in this condensed season, with all the ups and downs, Manu produced well enough for me to believe there isn't anything suggesting he will fall off next year. If Manu played his standard MPG, i don't think his advanced metrics would've dropped considerably. His offensive rating would've dropped a bit, probably to around where Harden's is.

Fall off in what way though? I think he'll go back to being closer to how he's been throughout his entire career, maybe a slight bit worse as he's turning 35. But we've gotta expect he'll fall off from the stats he put up in the limited games/minutes he did in the regular season seeing as they were all time highs for him in most categories - some significantly. And even still Harden DID match his Offensive rating (125.4, which is 7 points higher than Manu's 2nd best ever) and put up a 66% TS% himself (I think that might be the highest ever of a non-big who qualifies on minutes? And also quite a bit higher than Manu's ever put up in a full season).

And the only players last season with higher offensive win shares than Harden? K. Love, Durant, Cp3 and Lebron. That's good company. Manu's undeniably awesome, but it's tough not to notice that his numbers were chalk full of anomalies from the rest of his career; had he kept it up in the post-season it would've been one thing, but they fell pretty hard (WS/48 went from .257 to .120, PER from 24 to 17, TS% from 66% to 59% Orating from 125 to 106, etc.) Harden's dropped slightly himself, but were still much better than Manu's.

I'm not mad at a Manu pick here - I just think Harden was a bit better/more consistent and that at this point going forward we can expect more of the same (be it Manu being injured and/or not playing quite at Harden's level if he does play significant games+minutes).

Toastyy
07-11-2012, 09:35 PM
Kobe
Wade
Harden
Manu
Gordon
Ellis
Johnson
George
Derozan
Klay Thompson

Kashmir13579
07-11-2012, 10:24 PM
Fall off in what way though? I think he'll go back to being closer to how he's been throughout his entire career, maybe a slight bit worse as he's turning 35. But we've gotta expect he'll fall off from the stats he put up in the limited games/minutes he did in the regular season seeing as they were all time highs for him in most categories - some significantly. And even still Harden DID match his Offensive rating (125.4, which is 7 points higher than Manu's 2nd best ever) and put up a 66% TS% himself (I think that might be the highest ever of a non-big who qualifies on minutes? And also quite a bit higher than Manu's ever put up in a full season).

And the only players last season with higher offensive win shares than Harden? K. Love, Durant, Cp3 and Lebron. That's good company. Manu's undeniably awesome, but it's tough not to notice that his numbers were chalk full of anomalies from the rest of his career; had he kept it up in the post-season it would've been one thing, but they fell pretty hard (WS/48 went from .257 to .120, PER from 24 to 17, TS% from 66% to 59% Orating from 125 to 106, etc.) Harden's dropped slightly himself, but were still much better than Manu's.

I'm not mad at a Manu pick here - I just think Harden was a bit better/more consistent and that at this point going forward we can expect more of the same (be it Manu being injured and/or not playing quite at Harden's level if he does play significant games+minutes).

I must have misread something earlier. I did not realize Harden's ORtg was 125. (that is pretty incredible) I think i had him clocked in at 115.

TBH, i don't think it changes my stance. The "good company" that Harden was in this season - its still only this season. I see no reason to believe he won't continue to improve and get better, and i'm not throwing him under the bus for his finals performance either.

But at the same time, we have to take a look at the company that Manu keeps. Since you brought up win shares its notable that Manu's 3rd among active players in WS/48, behind none other than Chris Paul and Lebron James. He's 10th all time in WS/48 behind some truly great players. THAT is good company. As much as i love Manu, (and the Spurs organization in general) even i was surprised to see him that high on the list.

Lets see Harden do this for another year or so, AND see how long it takes Manu to fall off, before we give this to Harden. Thats my take on it and i'm actually a big fan of both players.

Glen20
07-11-2012, 11:43 PM
15 minutes left

tredigs
07-11-2012, 11:48 PM
I must have misread something earlier. I did not realize Harden's ORtg was 125. (that is pretty incredible) I think i had him clocked in at 115.

TBH, i don't think it changes my stance. The "good company" that Harden was in this season - its still only this season. I see no reason to believe he won't continue to improve and get better, and i'm not throwing him under the bus for his finals performance either.

But at the same time, we have to take a look at the company that Manu keeps. Since you brought up win shares its notable that Manu's 3rd among active players in WS/48, behind none other than Chris Paul and Lebron James. He's 10th all time in WS/48 behind some truly great players. THAT is good company. As much as i love Manu, (and the Spurs organization in general) even i was surprised to see him that high on the list.

Lets see Harden do this for another year or so, AND see how long it takes Manu to fall off, before we give this to Harden. Thats my take on it and i'm actually a big fan of both players.

True true on his WS/48, I've always been amazed at how elite he keeps it; though in that vein it's all the more impressive that Harden at 22 (3 years before Manu even played NBA ball) has now already been top 6 in Win Shares and top 4 in WS/48. Manu never did accrue a top 10 in overall Win Shares.

But we're talking semantics at this point. Basically it comes down to new guard versus old guard (literally). I'm leaning new, you're leaning old. Harden to me just seems like a younger slightly better prototype; both are so fun to watch.

theheatles
07-12-2012, 10:53 AM
Ray Allen would have easily cracked top 7 on this list if he stayed in Boston but now he won't even make top 10

X12Celtics3
07-12-2012, 11:54 AM
Ray Allen would have easily cracked top 7 on this list if he stayed in Boston but now he won't even make top 10

He has never been voted in any higher than 7th in these polls, so your whining is incredibly illogical. The first year this poll was done he finished 8th, and each year after that he has landed at 7. Not once has he "easily" made the top 7, he falls in near the second half of the top ten every year. If you think that Ray Allen has suddenly become significantly more talented now (approaching 37 years old) than he has been for the past five years, I don't really know what to tell you... :eyebrow:

Seriously, nobody has voted for him this early for good reason, why complain now?

theheatles
07-12-2012, 11:58 AM
He has never been voted in any higher than 7th in these polls, so your whining is incredibly illogical. The first year this poll was done he finished 8th, and each year after that he has landed at 7. Not once has he "easily" made the top 7, he falls in near the second half of the top ten every year. If you think that Ray Allen has suddenly become significantly more talented now (approaching 37 years old) than he has been for the past five years, I don't really know what to tell you... :eyebrow:

Seriously, nobody has voted for him this early for good reason, why complain now?

i'm not saying he should go this early, i'm just planting seeds

DreamShaker
07-12-2012, 12:04 PM
I have a feeling Gordan takes it this year, but till then, Manu is my choice as a placeholder.

tredigs
07-12-2012, 12:23 PM
i'm not saying he should go this early, i'm just planting seeds

Well, actually, that's precisely what you said.

And after 14/3/2 (sub standard 14.8 PER) in the regular season followed by a 11/4/1 (bottom tier 10.0 PER) in the playoffs (in 18 games), Ray has shown he's no longer even close to a top 7 SG.

nicegoing
07-12-2012, 12:24 PM
You should make Manu 3 and Harden 4 and just move on to 5. Since the poll is closed.

sixers247
07-12-2012, 12:26 PM
^ i agree

StinkEye
07-12-2012, 12:28 PM
Manu>Harden

Bruno
07-12-2012, 04:19 PM
Ginobli...who's 35 in a few weeks, who only played in 34 regular season games, who sucked in the playoffs- is better than Harden in 2012?

b@llhog24
07-12-2012, 04:59 PM
Ginobli...who's 35 in a few weeks, who only played in 34 regular season games, who sucked in the playoffs- is better than Harden in 2012?

To be fair, you voted for Kobe and he sucked in the reg season. :shrug:

Tymathee
07-12-2012, 05:20 PM
shooting guard is now filled with...shooting, Guards -_-

all that great scoring guard are now point guards or forwards.

Tymathee
07-12-2012, 05:20 PM
To be fair, you voted for Kobe and he sucked in the reg season. :shrug:

28 ppg sux? man, i wish i sucked that hard.

Bruno
07-12-2012, 06:34 PM
To be fair, you voted for Kobe and he sucked in the reg season. :shrug:

I'd like to hear you explain why this post is logical, or applicable to the situation at hand.

Glen20
07-12-2012, 06:53 PM
I'd like to hear you explain why this post is logical, or applicable to the situation at hand.

because its a vote for the best sg in the league, and if you suck during the season, then you're not the best
wtf...

Glen20
07-12-2012, 06:54 PM
28 ppg sux? man, i wish i sucked that hard.

at 43%...
he chucked

Bruno
07-12-2012, 07:00 PM
because its a vote for the best sg in the league, and if you suck during the season, then you're not the best
wtf...

I'll respond to this brilliance once I hear back from the kobe hater.

tp13baby
07-12-2012, 07:02 PM
Harden? over Eric Gordon? come on guys really now...

Are you kidding?

b@llhog24
07-12-2012, 07:35 PM
28 ppg sux? man, i wish i sucked that hard.

Well it sucked by his standards. :shrug:


I'd like to hear you explain why this post is logical, or applicable to the situation at hand.

Because you voted for Kobe even though Wade had the better season, and they are voting for Manu even though Harden had the better season.


I'll respond to this brilliance once I hear back from the kobe hater.

I'm honored.

kdspurman
07-12-2012, 09:56 PM
Ginobli...who's 35 in a few weeks, who only played in 34 regular season games, who sucked in the playoffs- is better than Harden in 2012?

Their 2012 playoff numbers are not different, & I wouldn't say he sucked in the playoffs. Took him time to get going, cause vs. Utah he struggled with his shot but got better each series.

Toastyy
07-12-2012, 09:56 PM
Harden and Manu are both 6th men for there team, harden won sixth man of the year, shouldn't that automatically put him over manu? Considering that 6th man is judged at who proved they were the best bench player and not just a single stat