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LTBaByyy
07-10-2012, 02:57 PM
Serious thread. No bashing.

jmoney85
07-10-2012, 02:58 PM
how good are the mavs with deron williams

Kashmir13579
07-10-2012, 03:00 PM
Not good enough.

justinnum1
07-10-2012, 03:00 PM
miami
boston
NY
Nets
Chi(without rose)-swap Ny and chicago when rose gets back

JerseyPalahniuk
07-10-2012, 03:02 PM
Miami
Boston
Indiana
New York
Nets

Chicago (IF Rose is healthy) leaps to 2nd spot

FOR NOW. Once we figure out the rest of our bench, I can see the Nets passing New York

KniCks4LiFe
07-10-2012, 03:02 PM
top 5, instead of #2 seed, anywhere from 3-5.

Reyes6
07-10-2012, 03:02 PM
Decent, definitely a playoff team pending health. Solid at every position, just need that one player to put them in to contention and a lot more depth.

LTBaByyy
07-10-2012, 03:03 PM
I say 7-8 seed

Wizards and Bucks will be good this year and Cavs 76ers and Hawks we don't know

But the top 5 is Heat, Celtics, Bulls, Knicks, Pacers

BigCityofDreams
07-10-2012, 03:04 PM
They're already better than the Knicks - Stephen A. Smith


:confused:

metswon69
07-10-2012, 03:05 PM
The East is still pretty top heavy and not much else...

The Nets could win 45 games without Howard maybe...

metswon69
07-10-2012, 03:06 PM
They're already better than the Knicks - Stephan A. Smith


:confused:

How does he still have a job?

Jroz
07-10-2012, 03:07 PM
I think they'll be in 7-8..6 at best..with Howard top 3

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 03:07 PM
worse than the mavs

daboywonder2002
07-10-2012, 03:08 PM
i think they can win at least 55-60 games based on offense alone. they remind me of the phoenix suns when nash first came. great starting 5. not a lot of bench depth. all offense but no defense. thats the problem. what power forward will u put next to lopez? can you win the rebounding battle? will you get back in transition.

ATX
07-10-2012, 03:08 PM
6th best in the East.

Mia/Bos/Chi/Ind/NY/Br

GiantsSwaGG
07-10-2012, 03:09 PM
They're already better than the Knicks - Stephen A. Smith


:confused:

He's right!

Jroz
07-10-2012, 03:09 PM
i think they can win at least 55-60 games based on offense alone. they remind me of the phoenix suns when nash first came. great starting 5. not a lot of bench depth. all offense but no defense. thats the problem. what power forward will u put next to lopez? can you win the rebounding battle? will you get back in transition.

wow really??..55-60..isnt that like top 3 or 4?....easy chief

LTBaByyy
07-10-2012, 03:10 PM
There is no way they will have a better record than Heat, Celtics, Bulls, Pacers, and Knicks!

And don't sleep on a full season with the Wizards: Wall, Beal, Ariza, NENe, Okafor and a bench

D Will
Johnson
Wallace
Teletovic
Lopez

That won't be top 5

greg_ory_2005
07-10-2012, 03:10 PM
I'd say 6th seed. Somewhere around that.

JWO35
07-10-2012, 03:10 PM
82-0

Jroz
07-10-2012, 03:10 PM
He's right!

really hope they don't get Howard so we can actually see..hope he eats his words :mad:

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 03:10 PM
He's right!

He's a Knick fan

keetyweedy
07-10-2012, 03:11 PM
basically they would be the Atlanta Hawks with a better pg...either 4 or 5 seed every year, never make it past the 2nd round

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 03:11 PM
There is no way they will have a better record than Heat, Celtics, Bulls, Pacers, and Knicks!

And don't sleep on a full season with the Wizards: Wall, Beal, Ariza, NENe, Okafor and a bench

D Will
Johnson
Wallace
Teletovic
Lopez

That won't be top 5

If that helps you sleep better after no DWILL and Dwight

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 03:11 PM
basically they would be the Atlanta Hawks with a better pg...either 4 or 5 seed every year, never make it past the 2nd round

Atlanta Hawks had Deron Williams? ORLY

metswon69
07-10-2012, 03:12 PM
He's a Knick fan

I doubt they are better than the Knicks without Howard, the Knicks bench rolls over the Nets

LTBaByyy
07-10-2012, 03:13 PM
I think the Wizards will surprise everyone and get the 6th seed

But I do have Nets getting 7th seed for sure

jmoney85
07-10-2012, 03:13 PM
There is no way they will have a better record than Heat, Celtics, Bulls, Pacers, and Knicks!

And don't sleep on a full season with the Wizards: Wall, Beal, Ariza, NENe, Okafor and a bench

D Will
Johnson
Wallace
Teletovic
Lopez

That won't be top 5

I know how much pain you felt typing that

JerseyPalahniuk
07-10-2012, 03:13 PM
There is no way they will have a better record than Heat, Celtics, Bulls, Pacers, and Knicks!

And don't sleep on a full season with the Wizards: Wall, Beal, Ariza, NENe, Okafor and a bench

D Will
Johnson
Wallace
Teletovic
Lopez

That won't be top 5

what Bench do they have?

the Nets haven't even begun figuring that out yet. there are MONTHS left until the season starts dude. We are focused on figuring out our starting Center position first. I'm confident we can round up a decent bench that atleast rivals the Wizards of all teams.. So much hate dude. 8th seed really? I had them as a 5th seed but I can see us higher after team chemistry. But 8 seed?

Lakers + Giants
07-10-2012, 03:14 PM
Knicks would be better than nets, no doubt.

jmoney85
07-10-2012, 03:14 PM
I have the mavs getting the 12 seed

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 03:14 PM
I doubt they are better than the Knicks without Howard, the Knicks bench rolls over the Nets

The Knicks bench age is near 40. If they can stay healthy sure but doubtful.

Jroz
07-10-2012, 03:17 PM
no way higher than 6..no chance..can't rely on a 31 year old averaging less than 18 a game for his career..DWill is great, enough said..Lopez is a bum who can't rebound, Wallace is a decent all around piece, and thats about it..by the time they're done with this Howard game all other free agents and pieces will be signed up and they'll have me and Farmar running their bench

LTBaByyy
07-10-2012, 03:17 PM
The bad part is Avery Johnson can't coach

They need Mike Malone or Brian Shaw before they get snatched up

jmoney85
07-10-2012, 03:18 PM
Knicks would be better than nets, no doubt.

clippers would be better than the lakers, no doubt.

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 03:19 PM
The bad part is Avery Johnson can't coach

They need Mike Malone or Brian Shaw before they get snatched up

Could of sworn Mavs fans blamed the refs for losing the Finals. Now it's Avery lol.

Jroz
07-10-2012, 03:19 PM
The Knicks bench age is near 40. If they can stay healthy sure but doubtful.

i'd take:

Camby
Jefferies
Novak
Smith
Kidd

over most benches in the league, period... all playing reduced minutes, thats the key with age

Rockice_8
07-10-2012, 03:19 PM
After MIA and BOS the east is wide open. They can be anywhere from 3 to 7 I think.

metswon69
07-10-2012, 03:20 PM
The Knicks bench age is near 40. If they can stay healthy sure but doubtful.

I am assuming you are talking about Camby and Kidd, well they played 59 and 61 games respectively last year so injuries weren't a concern and they were still productive in limited minutes.

JerseyPalahniuk
07-10-2012, 03:22 PM
i'd take:

Camby
Jefferies
Novak
Smith
Kidd

over most benches in the league, period... all playing reduced minutes, thats the key with age


That definitely is a solid bench! The Camby and Kidd signings were great to bring some much needed maturity and intelligence to Melo/Amare. Kidd's impact on Lin's play will be significant for sure.

LTBaByyy
07-10-2012, 03:22 PM
Nets fans can't take opinions from other fans

Wow. They must be kids on here.

Its just an opinion, stop bashing because people giving their feelings

Eg714
07-10-2012, 03:22 PM
45 games or 6th seed.

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 03:24 PM
i'd take:

Camby
Jefferies
Novak
Smith
Kidd

over most benches in the league, period... all playing reduced minutes, thats the key with age

More than Half of those guys played with reduced minutes last year and still got injured. Now they are another year older.:speechless:

JerseyPalahniuk
07-10-2012, 03:24 PM
Nets fans can't take opinions from other fans

Wow. They must be kids on here.

Its just an opinion, stop bashing because people giving their feelings

If you notice, it's only 2 Nets posters that are bashing. But I still think you are being quite dramatic with your own posts. Good luck to the Mavs next season. I hope Dirk doesn't have to be part of a rebuilding team. (being completely serious dude, dont get worked up)

agureghian
07-10-2012, 03:25 PM
2nd round playoff exit.

first round exit if they were in the west

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 03:25 PM
I am assuming you are talking about Camby and Kidd, well they played 59 and 61 games respectively last year so injuries weren't a concern and they were still productive in limited minutes.

What? They both went through injuries last year.

tp13baby
07-10-2012, 03:26 PM
I like the Nets without Howard.
They are going to be a top 5 team in the east. They are deeper. Im not the biggest fan on Melo and Amare because they just don't know how to play with each other. Camby and Kidd are the only two dependable players on the Knicks bench. JR is so inconsistent I wouldn't even take him on Denver. Novak gets wide open looks. Jefferies is given the excuse he is a great defender to play while if he was on Denver he wouldn't touch the court.

Lopez will be better than Amare this year guaranteed. Book it. Only reason he won't make the allstar game is he isn't a big name.

EnWhyKay
07-10-2012, 03:26 PM
Joe Johnson is not going to make a 15 game difference people!!! He is really the only difference here...

NYKnickFanatic
07-10-2012, 03:27 PM
That definitely is a solid bench! The Camby and Kidd signings were great to bring some much needed maturity and intelligence to Melo/Amare. Kidd's impact on Lin's play will be significant for sure.

I like you.

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 03:28 PM
Joe Johnson is not going to make a 15 game difference people!!! He is really the only difference here...

Not like Brook Lopez missed nearly the entire season besides the Mavs game where he came back less than 100% and dropped 38. :facepalm:

metswon69
07-10-2012, 03:29 PM
What? They both went through injuries last year.

They still played most of the season and were productive so what's your point?

Camby averaged 7 and 9 with 1.5 blocks a game and Kidd average 5.5 assists a game in 28 minutes.

smood999
07-10-2012, 03:30 PM
The Knicks bench age is near 40. If they can stay healthy sure but doubtful.

currently, the Knicks only have 2 players over 30 on their roster..Kidd and Camby...

metswon69
07-10-2012, 03:31 PM
currently, the Knicks only have 2 players over 30 on their roster..Kidd and Camby...

So where the **** did he get 40 from? :facepalm:

Chavacano
07-10-2012, 03:31 PM
Better than last season.

jmoney85
07-10-2012, 03:32 PM
Joe Johnson is not going to make a 15 game difference people!!! He is really the only difference here...

O really?... how many games did brook and geforce play last season?

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 03:32 PM
They still played most of the season and were productive so what's your point?

Camby averaged almost a 7 and 9 with 1.5 blocks a game and Kidd average 5.5 assists a game in 28 minutes.

Kidd was productive last year? I guess compared to Tony Douglas yeah and Kidd broke down at the end of year in a shortened season. Camby always suffering some kind of injury. Just because a guy walks into a game and plays 10 minutes doesn't mean he is healthy or productive.

JerseyPalahniuk
07-10-2012, 03:33 PM
I like you.

Haha, looking forward to a future rivalry the next few years dude. Still gonna be sad to see Kidd in a Knicks uniform though, but i wish him the best of luck.

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 03:34 PM
So where the **** did he get 40 from? :facepalm:

A knick fan.


i'd take:

Camby
Jefferies
Novak
Smith
Kidd

over most benches in the league, period... all playing reduced minutes, thats the key with age

Oh yeah and the Mike James thread per a Knick fan.

jmoney85
07-10-2012, 03:34 PM
currently, the Knicks only have 2 players over 30 on their roster..Kidd and Camby...

chandler will be 30 by next season
amare will be 30 just after the season starts

tp13baby
07-10-2012, 03:35 PM
That definitely is a solid bench! The Camby and Kidd signings were great to bring some much needed maturity and intelligence to Melo/Amare. Kidd's impact on Lin's play will be significant for sure.

I don't think Melo and Amare are maturing much more. Amare spent his career with Nash who may be one of the most aware and highest basketball iq in the league. Melo and Camby played together and Melo just doesn't understand the concept. I love Camby. Kidd will defintely help Lin.

metswon69
07-10-2012, 03:36 PM
Kidd was productive last year? I guess compared to Tony Douglas yeah and Kidd broke down at the end of year in a shortened season. Camby always suffering some kind of injury. Just because a guy walks into a game and plays 10 minutes doesn't mean he is healthy or productive.

You don't think he could help Jeremy Lin?

You don't think he was better than Baron Davis and Mike Bibby?

Both guys can help the Knicks and Camby especially because he can still be a productive defensive player off the bench.

RonE Coleman
07-10-2012, 03:37 PM
1. Miami
2. Knicks or Boston... whoever wins the Atlantic
3. Knicks or Boston
4. Indiana over Chicago in Central
5. Nets
6. Chicago depending on how they play without Rose...

7-8 Irrelevant

Losoway
07-10-2012, 03:38 PM
THey are still the third best team in the east

HEAT
KNICKS
NETS

RonE Coleman
07-10-2012, 03:38 PM
You don't think he could help Jeremy Lin?

You don't think he was better than Baron Davis and Mike Bibby?

Both guys can help the Knicks and Camby especially because he can still be a productive defensive player off the bench.

No sense in arguing with a Net fan.

smood999
07-10-2012, 03:41 PM
A knick fan.



Oh yeah and the Mike James thread per a Knick fan.


chandler will be 30 by next season
amare will be 30 just after the season starts

Jeffries is not currently on the roster...and I clearly said currently and over 30 right now and at the start of the season Amare and Chandler will be 29...but yes during the season they will both turn 30...so 2 players over 30, 2 at 30 and everybody else under 30...

Also, Mike James is not a Knick and if he were he would just be filling the end of our bench...I'm pretty sure you were talking about rotational players...

This is a Nets thread, why do the Knicks always get dragged into it?

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 03:42 PM
You don't think he could help Jeremy Lin?

You don't think he was better than Baron Davis and Mike Bibby?

Both guys can help the Knicks and Camby especially because he can still be a productive defensive player off the bench.

I never said he wasn't better than those guys LAST YEAR. I said him staying healthy is a long shot. And those 2 were one of the worst PG's in the entire league. Kidd wasn't much better and he's 1 year older.

Can Kidd help Lin? How? He is one of the more selfish guys in the league. Help? Doubt. Lin is better.

metswon69
07-10-2012, 03:43 PM
I never said he wasn't better than those guys LAST YEAR. I said him staying healthy is a long shot. And those 2 were one of the worst PG's in the entire league. Kidd wasn't much better and he's 1 year older.

He's not going to get nearly 29 minutes a night here, he might spell Lin for 15 or so, maybe less...

So that should reduce his risk of injury and keep him fresher than when he was in Dallas..

Punk
07-10-2012, 03:45 PM
6th seed or 5th seed tops. Wouldn't be surprised if they struggled a bit considering they would be a new team with no bench.

The East would look like:

MIA
Boston/NY
Indiana (Boston/NY clearly better)
Chicago (No Rose + roster moves)
Brooklyn

metswon69
07-10-2012, 03:46 PM
I never said he wasn't better than those guys LAST YEAR. I said him staying healthy is a long shot. And those 2 were one of the worst PG's in the entire league. Kidd wasn't much better and he's 1 year older.

Can Kidd help Lin? How? He is one of the more selfish guys in the league. Help? Doubt. Lin is better.

No a guy who has almost 12,000 career assists and has been in the league as long as Kidd has nothing to offer Jeremy Lin

You're right, how foolish of me? :facepalm:

RonE Coleman
07-10-2012, 03:46 PM
I never said he wasn't better than those guys LAST YEAR. I said him staying healthy is a long shot. And those 2 were one of the worst PG's in the entire league. Kidd wasn't much better and he's 1 year older.

Can Kidd help Lin? How? He is one of the more selfish guys in the league. Help? Doubt. Lin is better.

Are you dumb? Your talking about injuries when the Nets will have 3 guys who are serious injury concerns in JJ Wallace and Lopez.

Jroz
07-10-2012, 03:46 PM
What? They both went through injuries last year.

right..yet still played those amount of games......still effective..we're not asking them to be starters on this team..they'll be fine

Punk
07-10-2012, 03:48 PM
I never said he wasn't better than those guys LAST YEAR. I said him staying healthy is a long shot. And those 2 were one of the worst PG's in the entire league. Kidd wasn't much better and he's 1 year older.

Can Kidd help Lin? How? He is one of the more selfish guys in the league. Help? Doubt. Lin is better.

:laugh:

I see why Jay-Z moved the Nets out of Jersey. They need smarter fans.

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 03:48 PM
He's not going to get nearly 29 minutes a night here, he might spell Lin for 15 or so, maybe less...

So that reduces his risk of injury and keeps him fresher than when he was in Dallas..

That was the plan for Baron Davis last year too. Regression/age go hand in hand.

knicksfan42
07-10-2012, 03:49 PM
Kid played 48 out of 66 games last season and played 80+ games the prior 3 seasons. No indication of him being an injury concern. Camby played 59 out of 66 games last season. Though he will likely miss some games this season, he'll play most of them.


Kidd and Camby are phenomenal back ups. Camby is probably the best back up C in the NBA right now. An excellent rebounder (one of the best in the league netting 9.3boards in 22 mpg last teams and leading the league in TRB% the last three seasons) and a good defender.

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 03:50 PM
:laugh:

I see why Jay-Z moved the Nets out of Jersey. They need smarter fans.

Kidd already made demands about playing time once he got signed by the Knicks. Knicks fans don't know about their own team. No surprise there.

knicksfan42
07-10-2012, 03:50 PM
No a guy who has almost 12,000 career assists and has been in the league as long as Kidd has nothing to offer Jeremy Lin

You're right, how foolish of me? :facepalm:

He's a troll for sure. You forgot future HOF and one of the best PGs in NBA history.

metswon69
07-10-2012, 03:51 PM
That was the plan for Baron Davis last year too. Regression/age go hand in hand.

The guy played 3/4 of the season last year and the 3 years before that played 80 games a year.

It's a good move and everyone here is making you look terrible so i would just drop it.

Draco
07-10-2012, 03:51 PM
miami
boston
NY
Nets
Chi(without rose)-swap Ny and chicago when rose gets back

Rose's return effects how good NY is in relation to the Nets? I guess Rose is just that good.

Jroz
07-10-2012, 03:52 PM
These threads get so dumb after awhile..its waveycrockett spitting random thoughts and comments that dont have any meaning or sense, and basketball fans debating back and fourth with it..lets be realistic..i'm a Knicks fan, I think my team will be better than they were next year, did Camby and Kidd put us any where close to getting over the hump and being contenders?..in my opinion No but they will make them relevant..its called being realistic..now we're talking about the Nets here and as is you have one superstar, and aging under achiever who has averaged less than 18 a game in his career, an even older intangibles player that is a friendly version of Artest, and a center who can't rebound..why can't you be realistic with this stuff..you really think they're out of the first round?

Jroz
07-10-2012, 03:52 PM
That was the plan for Baron Davis last year too. Regression/age go hand in hand.

We got Baron last year for the min, knowing he had injuries and back issues..he didnt start playing for months..little different with Kidd, wouldnt ya think?

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 03:53 PM
The guy played 3/4 of the season last year and the 3 years before that played 80 games a year.

It's a good move and everyone here is making you look terrible so i would just drop it.

Not sure if you realize it's a bunch of Knicks fans pimping a 40 year old Jason Kidd. Nothing terrible about, it's actually kind of funny/sad how I look at it. You gave him a 3 year deal.

arkanian215
07-10-2012, 03:55 PM
0a

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 03:56 PM
We got Baron last year for the min, knowing he had injuries and back issues..he didnt start playing for months..little different with Kidd, wouldnt ya think?

No. Knicks thought a 32 year old Baron Davis was their savior last year. This offseason it's a 40 year old Jason Kidd. Nothing new here. Rinse-wash-repeat. Next year it'll be Andre Miller or something.

Jroz
07-10-2012, 03:59 PM
No. Knicks thought a 32 year old Baron Davis was their savior last year. This offseason it's a 40 year old Jason Kidd. Nothing new here. Rinse-wash-repeat. Next year it'll be Andre Miller or something.

Knicks got Davis after he cleared waivers, they took a no risk shot on a guy that once performed at a decent level..they got him injured, you really thought the front office thought he was our savior?.or just some random fans raving about him....what other options did they have last year?..what other options they have now?...if they want to feature and develop Lin...is Raymond Felton a better mentor than Kidd??..I don't think so

knicksfan42
07-10-2012, 03:59 PM
Knicks got Davis after he cleared waivers, they took a no risk shot on a guy that once performed at a decent level..they got him injured, you really thought the front office thought he was our savior?.or just some random fans raving about him....what other options did they have last year?..what other options they have now?...if they want to feature and develop Lin...is Raymond Felton a better mentor than Kidd??..I don't think so

He's obviously trolling.

metswon69
07-10-2012, 03:59 PM
Not sure if you realize it's a bunch of Knicks fans pimping a 40 year old Jason Kidd. Nothing terrible about, it's actually kind of funny/sad how I look at it. You gave him a 3 year deal.

So his age might be more an issue 2 years into the deal, who cares he can help this team now and that's what they are looking for...

You are assuming Kidd is just gonna fall apart when he comes here.

Yeah 39 is old for a PG but he isn't starting every night, he is gonna play 12-15 minutes and be a mentor to Jeremy Lin.

That's his role, no more, no less...

tp13baby
07-10-2012, 04:01 PM
No. Knicks thought a 32 year old Baron Davis was their savior last year. This offseason it's a 40 year old Jason Kidd. Nothing new here. Rinse-wash-repeat. Next year it'll be Andre Miller or something.

Good one dude. Dre is with Denver for 3 years. Kidd will be a great Mentor for Lin but Lin isn't playing 33 minutes a night. After injury, first full year. 28 minutes with Shump and Kidd spelling him.

I think Knicks fans are overrating JR though.

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 04:02 PM
He's obviously trolling.

Kidd is a HOF PG. You guys got a HOF PG. He will make Lin a HOF PG. I hope that makes you feel better.

jmoney85
07-10-2012, 04:02 PM
how did this turn into a knicks thread?

Punk
07-10-2012, 04:02 PM
No. Knicks thought a 32 year old Baron Davis was their savior last year. This offseason it's a 40 year old Jason Kidd. Nothing new here. Rinse-wash-repeat. Next year it'll be Andre Miller or something.
Lol

No. We thought Davis would fit well after losing Billups for Tyson and would save us from having to endure Toney Douglas poor court vision. We have our starting point guard who fits in with the starters and Kidd will be there to mentor him and provide a backup role. Big difference.

You continue to fail. Nobody is asking Kidd to start and quite honestly, Jason Kidd would have had the same damn role behind Deron. Now, his age and "selfishness" matters because he isn't going to the Nets.

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 04:03 PM
So his age might be more an issue 2 years into the deal, who cares he can help this team now and that's what they are looking for...

You are assuming Kidd is just gonna fall apart when he comes here.

Yeah 39 is old for a PG but he isn't starting every night, he is gonna play 12-15 minutes and be a mentor to Jeremy Lin.

That's his role, no more, no less...

Who says he wont have to start every night at some point? Has Lin been the picture of health or something?

29$JerZ
07-10-2012, 04:03 PM
Nets will be slightly better with Joe Johnson at the 2 instead of Brooks and having Crash/Lopez all season with a training camp under them belts. But they would barely make the playoffs at best.

Boston and NY still own this division and are better than NJ as of now.
Seed wise given how bad Orlando and Atlanta will be this season NJ/Milwaukee/Washington will be fighting for the last 2 spots. And you can't completely count out the Cavs either.

Jroz
07-10-2012, 04:04 PM
Good one dude. Dre is with Denver for 3 years. Kidd will be a great Mentor for Lin but Lin isn't playing 33 minutes a night. After injury, first full year. 28 minutes with Shump and Kidd spelling him.

I think Knicks fans are overrating JR though.

I think only based on JR only getting 2.8..think he's worth more than that..I mean..look at what Fields just got offered..must be pretty pissed haha

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 04:06 PM
Nets will be slightly better with Joe Johnson at the 2 instead of Brooks and having Crash/Lopez all season with a training camp under them belts. But they would barely make the playoffs at best.

Boston and NY still own this division and are better than NJ as of now.
Seed wise given how bad Orlando and Atlanta will be this season NJ/Milwaukee/Washington will be fighting for the last 2 spots.

Yea Knicks really owned the division last year.

knicksfan42
07-10-2012, 04:06 PM
Kidd is a HOF PG. You guys got a HOF PG. He will make Lin a HOF PG. I hope that makes you feel better.

You're trolling doesn't affect me sorry. Kidd is better than Davis and nothing indicates he's injury prone.

Jroz
07-10-2012, 04:06 PM
Who says he wont have to start every night at some point? Has Lin been the picture of health or something?

who says he isnt?..he played his first year and had a slight knee injury after averaging almost 40mins a game in one stretch...how can you say he is prone to health or injury after playing just 1 season...he's a 23-24 yd old

jimm120
07-10-2012, 04:06 PM
Well, Nets were 22-44 last year. We can say that they would have been around 25-41 if Wallace was with them all season, not just half a season.

Now, they've added Joe Johnson and subtracted Anthony Morrow (a pretty good player).

That's pretty much it, right? Also, will Humphries be back?

I say they get to 30 wins definitely. and maybe up to 35 wins if Brooks gets much better and Lopez is ok.

jmoney85
07-10-2012, 04:08 PM
Well, Nets were 22-44 last year. We can say that they would have been around 25-41 if Wallace was with them all season, not just half a season.

Now, they've added Joe Johnson and subtracted Anthony Morrow (a pretty good player).

That's pretty much it, right? Also, will Humphries be back?

I say they get to 30 wins definitely. and maybe up to 35 wins if Brooks gets much better and Lopez is ok.

brook lopez played 6 games last season and wallace was only with them for a month

and gerald wallace was only with the nets for 16 games

clintcalex
07-10-2012, 04:08 PM
This is the same Nets team that didnt make the playoffs last year right? They just added Joe Johnson. Does anybody really think that makes them a whole lot better. 7-8 seed at best and maybe is the same fishing boat as last year.

29$JerZ
07-10-2012, 04:08 PM
Yea Knicks really owned the division last year.

Your attempt at trolling is getting old. Either be good at it or give up.
Knicks for the last 2 years have made the playoffs with an Above .500 record and a 6th and 7th seed respectively with constant roster changes and injuries. Says a lot more about us than the Nets who gave that infamous Blueprint for Success sign in NY and got Travis Outlaw to show for it.

D-Leethal
07-10-2012, 04:08 PM
If were assuming injuries than wouldn't that mean Brook, Deron, and Crash are all going to miss a shitload of games and Nets miss the playoffs?

Punk
07-10-2012, 04:09 PM
Who says he wont have to start every night at some point? Has Lin been the picture of health or something?

Okay and? Even if he had to start, he's been doing that at his age for the last 2 seasons in Dallas?

Lin has only sustained one major injury and he played through it for weeks among twisted angles. He'll be fine through 82 games.

Kidd plays 15 minutes, Lin will play 30+.

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 04:09 PM
Your attempt at trolling is getting old. Either be good at it or give up.
Knicks for the last 2 years have made the playoffs with an Above .500 record and a 6th and 7th seed respectively with constant roster changes and injuries. Says a lot more about us than the Nets who gave that infamous Blueprint for Success sign in NY and got Travis Outlaw to show for it.
You guys finished with a 7th seed last year. Save the " we owned the division talk" when you actually accomplish something.

metswon69
07-10-2012, 04:11 PM
Who says he wont have to start every night at some point? Has Lin been the picture of health or something?

Lin has played one full calendar NBA season as a starter and got hurt.

Does that indicate he will a constant injury concern going forward?

No....

jmoney85
07-10-2012, 04:11 PM
This is the same Nets team that didnt make the playoffs last year right? They just added Joe Johnson. Does anybody really think that makes them a whole lot better. 7-8 seed at best and maybe is the same fishing boat as last year.

do you even watch basketball?

BigBlueCrew
07-10-2012, 04:11 PM
You guys finished with a 7th seed last year. Save the " we owned the division talk" when you actually accomplish something.

Why dont you save the trolling until you do ANYTHING in the division.

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 04:12 PM
If were assuming injuries than wouldn't that mean Brook, Deron, and Crash are all going to miss a shitload of games and Nets miss the playoffs?

Lin played his first season and suffered a season ending knee injury compared to guys who have played multiple seasons without one. Try again.

Jroz
07-10-2012, 04:13 PM
Lin played his first season and suffered a season ending knee injury compared to guys who have played multiple seasons without one. Try again.

Yea...Like Blake Griffin did.........

LTBaByyy
07-10-2012, 04:13 PM
Nets fans keep bringing up Brook Lopez like he's a superstar

He averaged good stats on the worst teams of the NBA and without Williams, Johnson, and Wallace

He won't ave the same stats at all.

DoMeFavors
07-10-2012, 04:14 PM
Without Dwight 3-4 with Dwight 1-2 in the league

Punk
07-10-2012, 04:16 PM
A Nets fan talking about Accomplishing something? Lol

Look, the fact is the Nets will be 5th or 6th seed team with Lopez instead of Dwight. Get over it. Boston will be better, NYK will be better and that's just how it is.

Talking about injuries is hilarious considering Deron, Wallace, Lopez are the most injury prone players in the league and will be logging heavy minutes due to no bench on the Nets team.

I get the Nets feel the need to be needed and talked about but they will make the playoffs, so quit whining and be happy there is a team to be proud of instead of trying to troll people who don't believe in you.

Deron, Johnson, Wallace is a great core. Shut up, embrace it and quit having to get so defensive because you feel the need to be better than someone else.


Yea Knicks really owned the division last year.

Hmmm...Taking out the former 1st place Sixers and were 3 games back from winning the division from Boston and ended up #2 is better than being 4th like the Nets, right? We came up short but did better work than the Nets.

jmoney85
07-10-2012, 04:17 PM
the knicks will not be better than the nets next season... keep dreaming bro

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 04:17 PM
Lin has played one full calendar NBA season as a starter and got hurt.

Does that indicate he will a constant injury concern going forward?

No....

Lin was warming the seats for the first month of an already lockout shortened year. I would hardly call that "playing a full calender season" before suffering a serious knee injury. I'd call that a red flag.

Ch0ZSeN1
07-10-2012, 04:18 PM
The same people are saying the Nets will be a top 5 team are the same people who said the Heat and the Knicks will never work because of their chemistry. Haters. Remember the Heat started off struggling and the Knicks never had a full training camp together. Nets will need time to build chemistry also.

king4day
07-10-2012, 04:19 PM
5-6 seed sounds about right.
With Howard, probably top 3.

jmoney85
07-10-2012, 04:20 PM
comparing the heat and knicks is laughable... not even in the same stratosphere

BigBlueCrew
07-10-2012, 04:20 PM
Lin was warming the seats for the first month of an already lockout shortened year. I would hardly call that "playing a full calender season" before suffering a serious knee injury. I'd call that a red flag.

I know someone who has Brook Lopez on their roster isnt talking about medical red flags.

metswon69
07-10-2012, 04:21 PM
Lin was warming the seats for the first month of an already lockout shortened year. I would hardly call that "playing a full calender season" before suffering a serious knee injury. I'd call that a red flag.

He didn't have microfracture surgery, he had torn meniscus surgery.

Guys come back from the latter all the time, seriously dude you are just making **** up as you go along.

You can't get a career tag as a "guy who's injured all the time" from one season.

metswon69
07-10-2012, 04:21 PM
I know someone who has Brook Lopez on their roster isnt talking about medical red flags.

Yeah ironic isn't it?

knicksfan42
07-10-2012, 04:23 PM
5-6 seed sounds about right.
With Howard, probably top 3.

Pretty much this.

Punk
07-10-2012, 04:24 PM
comparing the heat and knicks is laughable... not even in the same stratosphere
Nobody did. This post is laughable.

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 04:24 PM
I know someone who has Brook Lopez on their roster isnt talking about medical red flags.

Plays 3 full years without missing a game, comes back from foot injury drops 38 against champs, misses rest of year as precaution. Huge red flag.

LTBaByyy
07-10-2012, 04:25 PM
Do Nets fans really think Lopez will avg 20 and 6 with D Will, Johnson, Wallace, and Brooks????

He never played with those players in a full season

He will avg 10 and 7 at best next season

Da Knicks
07-10-2012, 04:26 PM
7th seed

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 04:26 PM
Do Nets fans really think Lopez will avg 20 and 6 with D Will, Johnson, Wallace, and Brooks????

He never played with those players in a full season

He will avg 10 and 7 at best next season

Yeah Dwill will definitely make him worse. Excellent analysis.

BigBlueCrew
07-10-2012, 04:26 PM
Plays 3 full years without missing a game, comes back from foot injury drops 38 against champs, misses rest of year as precaution. Huge red flag.

A precaution? that's why Jeremy Lin sat down too. What was the point of bringing him in.

jmoney85
07-10-2012, 04:27 PM
Nobody did. This post is laughable.

meet


The same people are saying the Nets will be a top 5 team are the same people who said the Heat and the Knicks will never work because of their chemistry. Haters. Remember the Heat started off struggling and the Knicks never had a full training camp together. Nets will need time to build chemistry also.

NYYCowboys
07-10-2012, 04:27 PM
I think they'd be in the 7-8 seed range. They were a terrible team last year basically adding Joe Johnson, and Brook Lopez and losing Kris Humphries. How many wins does that equate to? I'd say 39-43 wins next year. They won 22 games last year which in an 82 game schedule equates to winning about 27 games. Going from 27 to 43 would be pretty generous I'd say considering Joe Johnson and Brook Lopez definitely don't equate to a 16 game jump.

jmoney85
07-10-2012, 04:27 PM
Do Nets fans really think Lopez will avg 20 and 6 with D Will, Johnson, Wallace, and Brooks????

He never played with those players in a full season

He will avg 10 and 7 at best next season

ok DoMeFavors mavs edition

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 04:28 PM
A precaution? that's why Jeremy Lin sat down too. .

Didn't realize Lin played 246 games straight without missing a game. Like Eli Manning missing a year and have someone compare him to Chad Pennington.

DoMeFavors
07-10-2012, 04:28 PM
a nets fan talking about accomplishing something? Lol

look, the fact is the nets will be 5th or 6th seed team with lopez instead of dwight. Get over it. Boston will be better, nyk will be better and that's just how it is.

Talking about injuries is hilarious considering deron, wallace, lopez are the most injury prone players in the league and will be logging heavy minutes due to no bench on the nets team.

I get the nets feel the need to be needed and talked about but they will make the playoffs, so quit whining and be happy there is a team to be proud of instead of trying to troll people who don't believe in you.

Deron, johnson, wallace is a great core. Shut up, embrace it and quit having to get so defensive because you feel the need to be better than someone else.



Hmmm...taking out the former 1st place sixers and were 3 games back from winning the division from boston and ended up #2 is better than being 4th like the nets, right? We came up short but did better work than the nets.

what?

jmoney85
07-10-2012, 04:29 PM
I think they'd be in the 7-8 seed range. They were a terrible team last year basically adding Joe Johnson, and Brook Lopez and losing Kris Humphries. How many wins does that equate to? I'd say 39-43 wins next year.

you forget gerald wallace?

Bubba313
07-10-2012, 04:29 PM
Yeah Dwill will definitely make him worse. Excellent analysis.

When you post, you just bring absolutely nothing to the table.

Step aside, the grown-ups are gonna do some talking now OK?

Punk
07-10-2012, 04:33 PM
Let's honestly look at the current Net roster and compare it to the Knick roster:

Nets (finished season with .500 record):

Deron/Taylor
Johnson/Brooks
Wallace/???
Teletovic/Evans
Lopez (still out)/???

Vet min options left.

Knicks (finished season 18-6):

Lin/Kidd
JR/Shumpert (out)
Melo/White
Amare/Novak
Chandler/Camby

2 million left for a FA, vet min contracts, S&T options.

So, the Knicks can still add 3 quality players and the Nets are not going to have much of a bench and the Knicks will have more experience with each other.

How the hell, will the Nets have ANY advantage without Dwight? The Nets will be a great team with Dwight and I want to see it happen but stop and embrace the fact you all will be a playoff team if he isn't able to come. Don't try to shoot for the damn moon in the 1st season.

BigBlueCrew
07-10-2012, 04:33 PM
Didn't realize Lin played 246 games straight without missing a game. Like Eli Manning missing a year and have someone compare him to Chad Pennington.

I wasn't aware that the human body can revert to its past self.

Funny how all these GM's haven't jumped on these deals involving Brook Lopez. After you did such a wonderful job convincing us that he was gonna be an all star and stuff.

D-Leethal
07-10-2012, 04:34 PM
Lin played his first season and suffered a season ending knee injury compared to guys who have played multiple seasons without one. Try again.

LOL. Season ending? The season was 4 weeks from ending. You could have a sprained pinky that was season ending at that point. He had PREVENTIVE surgery on a MINOR meniscus tear.


Lin was warming the seats for the first month of an already lockout shortened year. I would hardly call that "playing a full calender season" before suffering a serious knee injury. I'd call that a red flag.

Again, serious knee injury? How about Brook Lopez, a 7 footer who breaks his foot like every 2 weeks and couldn't play on it for more than 8 games after surgery without reinjuring. Thats a real season ending injury. Red flag much? I don't think a partial meniscus tear is anywhere near the same as chronic foot problems for a 7 footer. How many 7 footers had to retire because of foot problems? I'll let you look it up. How many players had to retire because of a minor tear meniscus? I'll let you look that up. Nothing ever said Lin's surgery was serious.

Thats not even including Deron who's been injured more than actually playing since he's been in NJ and Crash who's 1 concussion away from retirement.

NYYCowboys
07-10-2012, 04:36 PM
you forget gerald wallace?

Nah he was on the team half of last year and they still weren't very good. Having him for a full season would probably get them a few wins, but that's why I was generous before in giving them 16 more wins than last year which is a pretty big jump.

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 04:36 PM
LOL. Season ending? The season was 4 weeks from ending. You could have a sprained pinky that was season ending at that point. He had PREVENTIVE surgery on a MINOR meniscus tear.



Again, serious knee injury? How about Brook Lopez, a 7 footer who breaks his foot like every 2 weeks and couldn't play on it for more than 8 games after surgery without reinjuring. Thats a real season ending injury. Red flag much? I don't think a partial meniscus tear is anywhere near the same as chronic foot problems for a 7 footer. How many 7 footers had to retire because of foot problems? I'll let you look it up. How many players had to retire because of a minor tear meniscus? I'll let you look that up. Nothing ever said Lin's surgery was serious.
246 games played straight with no injury=chronic foot problems

ok

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 04:38 PM
Nah he was on the team half of last year and they still weren't very good. Having him for a full season would probably get them a few wins, but that's why I was generous before in giving them 16 more wins than last year which is a pretty big jump.

He was on the team 16 games for the Nets last season.:punish:

DoMeFavors
07-10-2012, 04:38 PM
Let's honestly look at the current Net roster and compare it to the Knick roster:

Nets (finished season with .500 record):

Deron/Taylor
Johnson/Brooks
Wallace/???
Teletovic/Evans
Lopez (still out)/???

Vet min options left.

Knicks (finished season 18-6):

Lin/Kidd
JR/Shumpert (out)
Melo/White
Amare/Novak
Chandler/Camby

2 million left for a FA, vet min contracts, S&T options.

So, the Knicks can still add 3 quality players and the Nets are not going to have much of a bench and the Knicks will have more experience with each other.

How the hell, will the Nets have ANY advantage without Dwight? The Nets will be a great team with Dwight and I want to see it happen but stop and embrace the fact you all will be a playoff team if he isn't able to come. Don't try to shoot for the damn moon in the 1st season.

Knicks were a terrible team last year and adding Jason Kidd who is 39 and Camby who is 38 isnt helping..if you added them 3-4 years ago it might make a difference right now Knicks are a .500 team.

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 04:39 PM
Funny how all these GM's haven't jumped on these deals involving Brook Lopez. After you did such a wonderful job convincing us that he was gonna be an all star and stuff.

Yeah not like the Cavs tried to steal Brook Lopez that killed the 3 way deal with the Magic. Oh wait...

theorb13
07-10-2012, 04:41 PM
Knicks were a terrible team last year and adding Jason Kidd who is 39 and Camby who is 38 isnt helping..if you added them 3-4 years ago it might make a difference right now Knicks are a .500 team.

Q: What do you call an New Jersey Nets player with a championship ring?
A: A thief.
Q: What's the difference between the New Jersey Nets and a dollar bill?
A: You can still get four quarters out of a dollar bill.

Q: What is the difference between a Nets fan and a baby?
A: The baby will stop whining after awhile


Hi domefavors:superman:

BigBlueCrew
07-10-2012, 04:42 PM
Yeah not like the Cavs tried to steal Brook Lopez that killed the 3 way deal with the Magic. Oh wait...

:pity:

haha, the cavs were trying to steal Brook Lopez? So what happened? Dan Gilbert got hit with a stroke of morality and decided to let the Nets keep him?

Cal827
07-10-2012, 04:42 PM
Top 3. This forum gives the Knicks way too much credit. They lost a defensive stopper in Shumpert for most of this season, and they have two stars that can't mesh together. Miami solved Lin, you guys don't think that the other teams are going to watch the tapes and try to repeat the defensive systems against him? I'm not saying that he won't be good, but he definitely won't be playing at the Linsanity level that some people are expecting. Camby is a nice back-up in the system though.

Bucks
Heat
Nets
Pacers
Knicks

Is about right :D

NYYCowboys
07-10-2012, 04:43 PM
Knicks were a terrible team last year and adding Jason Kidd who is 39 and Camby who is 38 isnt helping..if you added them 3-4 years ago it might make a difference right now Knicks are a .500 team.

Gotta hand it to you still not being banned yet. One of the biggest trolls I've ever seen and still going strong.

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 04:44 PM
:pity:

haha, the cavs were trying to steal Brook Lopez? So what happened? Dan Gilbert got hit with a stroke of morality and decided to let the Nets keep him?

:facepalm:

Jroz
07-10-2012, 04:44 PM
all I can say is Knicks were 18 and 6 under Woodson the last 24 games..if thats any indication the Knicks will be just fine, no where near 500..anyways, Nets are still at their mediocrity at best 6..probable 7-8

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-10-2012, 04:46 PM
Who says he wont have to start every night at some point? Has Lin been the picture of health or something?

You basing your entire argument on "what if's"

We can play this game all day... What if Deron Williams has a dream and says Buddah spoke to him in his dreams and commands him to retire, and become a buddhist monk and has to retire from the NBA?

What if Joe Johnson decides to put out an R&B album and wants to take time off during the season to promote it?

What if Gerald Wallace get's in a fight and is suspended the entire season?

Whatif Kris Humphries and Kim K. realize that they still love eachother, and decide to get re-married, and Kim talks him into retirement?

rurichie
07-10-2012, 04:47 PM
6th or 7th in the East maybe 5th at best. Especially if Lopez is healthy and can rebound. We still would need a PF, other than Teletovic and a true backup PG

goose14741
07-10-2012, 04:47 PM
8th seed no better

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 04:47 PM
You basing your entire argument on "what if's"



No I'm not. Kidd is 40. He is washed up. Thats fact.

DoMeFavors
07-10-2012, 04:48 PM
all I can say is Knicks were 18 and 6 under Woodson the last 24 games..if thats any indication the Knicks will be just fine, no where near 500..anyways, Nets are still at their mediocrity at best 6..probable 7-8

Sorry to say but you are so overating your team. 18-6 Melo was playing really well and then in playoffs he went back to pre 18-6.

Cal827
07-10-2012, 04:48 PM
You basing your entire argument on "what if's"

We can play this game all day... What if Deron Williams has a dream and says Buddah spoke to him in his dreams and commands him to retire, and become a buddhist monk and has to retire from the NBA?

What if Joe Johnson decides to put out an R&B album and wants to take time off during the season to promote it?

What if Gerald Wallace get's in a fight and is suspended the entire season?

Whatif Kris Humphries and Kim K. realize that they still love eachother, and decide to get re-married, and Kim talks him into retirement?

I gotta say, if that all happens, it would make the most hilarious season for any NBA team, ever. :laugh::laugh2:

RonE Coleman
07-10-2012, 04:48 PM
Knicks were a terrible team last year and adding Jason Kidd who is 39 and Camby who is 38 isnt helping..if you added them 3-4 years ago it might make a difference right now Knicks are a .500 team.

Get back in the kitchen girl. You clearly lack something between the ears. If they were better then a 500 team last year when they weren't healthy and changed coaches why would they be a 500 team this year when they added to their roster.

Go Dickride the Nets some more and make me a sandwich while your at it.

NYYCowboys
07-10-2012, 04:49 PM
6th or 7th in the East maybe 5th at best. Especially if Lopez is healthy and can rebound. We still would need a PF, other than Teletovic and a true backup PG

This. I know Knicks fans are bad or maybe worse, but the Nets fans are pretty bad too. Good to see there are still some realistic, non-homer fans out there for both teams.

metswon69
07-10-2012, 04:50 PM
Top 3. This forum gives the Knicks way too much credit. They lost a defensive stopper in Shumpert for most of this season, and they have two stars that can't mesh together. Miami solved Lin, you guys don't think that the other teams are going to watch the tapes and try to repeat the defensive systems against him? I'm not saying that he won't be good, but he definitely won't be playing at the Linsanity level that some people are expecting. Camby is a nice back-up in the system though.

Bucks
Heat
Nets
Pacers
Knicks

Is about right :D

They went 18-6 down the stretch of the season, and not every team in the Eastern Conference has a Lebron James to defend Lin.

Shump is ahead of schedule on his rehab and looks to return in January.

The Knicks will be better than the Nets if the Nets don't get Dwight Howard.

Lakers + Giants
07-10-2012, 04:50 PM
clippers would be better than the lakers, no doubt.

Aw, you mad?

For someone who things they're such a good troll (from reading your sig)

You sure do get mad easily. A good troll shouldn't be getting trolled.

RonE Coleman
07-10-2012, 04:51 PM
Sorry to say but you are so overating your team. 18-6 Melo was playing really well and then in playoffs he went back to pre 18-6.

Wrong again girl. The Knicks lost their Starting Point guard as well as their starting shooting guard and were left with Mike Bibby running the offense. Go masturbate to Derrick Favors you blatant troll.

Punk
07-10-2012, 04:51 PM
Knicks were a terrible team last year and adding Jason Kidd who is 39 and Camby who is 38 isnt helping..if you added them 3-4 years ago it might make a difference right now Knicks are a .500 team.

If 36 wins (projected wins coming into the season was 41), .500 + record, 28-20 in the conference, 2nd in the division, beat out every team not named Miami/Chicago with a year full of roster and injury problems made us a "terrible team"

...Than what were the Nets? Lol

If the Knicks were terrible last season finished 6 games above .500. How are they a .500 team right now?

You are a moron. An absolute moron.

CEasFiRe
07-10-2012, 04:51 PM
alright no bashing and be fair..
Nets will be a playoff team becaue dwil has better guys around him, but if lopez cant stay healthy and humphries isnt returning they are a low 6-8 seed with the lack of depth

goose14741
07-10-2012, 04:51 PM
Knicks were a terrible team last year and adding Jason Kidd who is 39 and Camby who is 38 isnt helping..if you added them 3-4 years ago it might make a difference right now Knicks are a .500 team.[/QUOTE]

Haahahahahahahahahaha some of u ppl or in the weirdest type of denial

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-10-2012, 04:52 PM
No I'm not. Kidd is 40. He is washed up. Thats fact.

That is a fact.

No one on this website is arguing with you about Kidd's age.

But you saying they're gonna get injured like it's a fact, is where your wrong.

goose14741
07-10-2012, 04:52 PM
There is a reason that joe johnson s contract was considered untradeable. He isnt a savior he is a poison. 2 years ftom now brooklyn will try and trade him at all costs.

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 04:53 PM
They went 18-6 down the stretch of the season, and not every team in the Eastern Conference has a Lebron James to defend Lin.

The Knicks will be better than the Nets if the Nets don't get Dwight Howard.

76ers went 18-6 to start the season. Whats your point? That there are 24 games in the year??

jmoney85
07-10-2012, 04:53 PM
Aw, you mad?

For someone who things they're such a good troll (from reading your sig)

You sure do get mad easily. A good troll shouldn't be getting trolled.

I never get mad on the internet but obviously my post got you mad enough to make this one

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-10-2012, 04:54 PM
I gotta say, if that all happens, it would make the most hilarious season for any NBA team, ever. :laugh::laugh2:

Lol I tried to make it funnier, but thats the best I could come up with lol... Glad you gotta laugh out of it.

Punk
07-10-2012, 04:54 PM
No I'm not. Kidd is 40. He is washed up. Thats fact.

So, why did the Nets want to sign him with Deron Williams if he's washed up and useless and injury prone?


Why did the Nets want to sign Steve Nash if he's washed up? Why did the Nets want to sign Marcus Camby if he's washed up, old and injury prone?

Stop. Just stop.

metswon69
07-10-2012, 04:55 PM
76ers went 18-6 to start the season. Whats your point? That there are 24 games in the year??

No it looked like the Knicks were figuring how to play with each other better at the end of the season.

Finishing strong is certainly a helpful indicator of that...

And remember they are going to get full practices and a whole preseason this year instead of what ******** they had last year.

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 04:55 PM
There is a reason that joe johnson s contract was considered untradeable. He isnt a savior he is a poison. 2 years ftom now brooklyn will try and trade him at all costs.

Leads his team to the 4 seed, pushes Boston to 7 games, makes all-star game. What a poison. What did Amar'e do last year?

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 04:57 PM
So, why did the Nets want to sign him with Deron Williams if he's washed up and useless and injury prone?


Why did the Nets want to sign Steve Nash if he's washed up? Why did the Nets want to sign Marcus Camby if he's washed up, old and injury prone?

Stop. Just stop.

Nets didn't even meet with Kidd wtf are you talking about. He said he wanted the Nets and to backup DWILL, we paid Mirza the MLE and told him to gtfo.

DoMeFavors
07-10-2012, 04:57 PM
If 36 wins (projected wins coming into the season was 41), .500 + record, 28-20 in the conference, 2nd in the division, beat out every team not named Miami/Chicago with a year full of roster and injury problems made us a "terrible team"

...Than what were the Nets? Lol

If the Knicks were terrible last season finished 6 games above .500. How are they a .500 team right now?

You are a moron. An absolute moron.

Look, you are overating your team. Camby and Kidd at this point are below average to average players they are not anywhere close to what they used to be. So because of that you assume they are still nice pieces when in fact you can name any below average pg or center and put them in their place thats what the Knicks are. Just because they are big names means nothing.

CEasFiRe
07-10-2012, 04:57 PM
I never thought I'd see the day net fans acted like yankee fans :facepalm:

Punk
07-10-2012, 04:58 PM
Stop.

Johnson did not "push" anything. Al Horford came back and helped the Hawks against the Celtics. Josh Smith also played through a knee injury. Joe Johnson didn't do anything by himself.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-10-2012, 04:58 PM
Nets didn't even meet with Kidd wtf are you talking about. He said he wanted the Nets and to backup DWILL, we paid Mirza the MLE and told him to gtfo.

Lol. Yeah, thats exactly what happened.

And NY told LeBron to GTFO, and decided to sign Amar'e.

BigBlueCrew
07-10-2012, 04:59 PM
Nets didn't even meet with Kidd wtf are you talking about. He said he wanted the Nets and to backup DWILL, we paid Mirza the MLE and told him to gtfo.

you told him to GFTO???? puhlease. if he had walked through the doors of the barclay arena + known that the Knicks had an interest, you fools would have signed him in a heartbeat.

metswon69
07-10-2012, 04:59 PM
Look, you are overating your team. Camby and Kidd at this point are below average to average players they are not anywhere close to what they used to be. So because of that you assume they are still nice pieces when in fact you can name any below average pg or center and put them in their place thats what the Knicks are. Just because they are big names means nothing.

I am not here that often but i could certainly see why they call you a troll and a crazy Nets homer..

knicksfan42
07-10-2012, 04:59 PM
Look, you are overating your team. Camby and Kidd at this point are below average to average players they are not anywhere close to what they used to be. So because of that you assume they are still nice pieces when in fact you can name any below average pg or center and put them in their place thats what the Knicks are. Just because they are big names means nothing.

Kidd is an average player, but a great back up and mentor for Lin. Camby is actually a far above average center even at this point, he is among the best rebounders in the league (best in TRB% the last 4 years) and still plays good defense. Camby is the best back up center in the league.

jmoney85
07-10-2012, 05:01 PM
Kidd is an average player, but a great back up and mentor for Lin. Camby is actually a far above average center even at this point, he is among the best rebounders in the league (best in TRB% the last 4 years) and still plays good defense. Camby is the best back up center in the league.

you must have forgot about johan petro.... I understand its an honest mistake

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 05:01 PM
Stop.

Johnson did not "push" anything. Al Horford came back and helped the Hawks against the Celtics. Josh Smith also played through a knee injury. Joe Johnson didn't do anything by himself.

Stop

Al Horford missed damn near the entire season and came back in April.

Stop.

Hawks still finished with a 4 seed.

Stop

JJ made the Allstar team and Smith didn't.

Stop

Because Smith plays with the IQ of a rotten banana.

Punk
07-10-2012, 05:02 PM
Look, you are overating your team.
Says the chick who thinks the Nets right now are a TOP 3 team :laugh2:


Camby and Kidd at this point are below average to average players they are not anywhere close to what they used to be. So because of that you assume they are still nice pieces when in fact you can name any below average pg or center and put them in their place thats what the Knicks are. Just because they are big names means nothing.

Camby last season: 9 rebounds, 1.5 blocks per game in 23 minutes and only missed several games.

If that is below average, what is Brook Lopez? He hasn't even sniffed that stat line.

DoMeFavors
07-10-2012, 05:04 PM
Kidd is an average player, but a great back up and mentor for Lin. Camby is actually a far above average center even at this point, he is among the best rebounders in the league (best in TRB% the last 4 years) and still plays good defense. Camby is the best back up center in the league.

So the best backup center in the league is a guy who avgs 3 points a game on poor shooting %? Defensive players are the top players in the league if that was trew Tony Allen,Ronnie Brewer would be among best sgs.

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 05:04 PM
Lol. Yeah, thats exactly what happened.

And NY told LeBron to GTFO, and decided to sign Amar'e.


Well you guys won the Kidd sweepstakes now so all is better right?

Lakers + Giants
07-10-2012, 05:05 PM
I never get mad on the internet but obviously my post got you mad enough to make this one

yet you replied.

DoMeFavors
07-10-2012, 05:06 PM
Says the chick who thinks the Nets right now are a TOP 3 team :laugh2:



Camby last season: 9 rebounds, 1.5 blocks per game in 23 minutes and only missed several games.

If that is below average, what is Brook Lopez? He hasn't even sniffed that stat line.

Camby has never sniffed 20 points a game.

knicksfan42
07-10-2012, 05:07 PM
So the best backup center in the league is a guy who avgs 3 points a game on poor shooting %? Defensive players are the top players in the league if that was trew Tony Allen,Ronnie Brewer would be among best sgs.

Yep and its actually 5 PPG and 9 rpg in 23 mpg. Defensive centers are the top centers in the league.

Punk
07-10-2012, 05:07 PM
Stop

Al Horford missed damn near the entire season and came back in April.

Stop.

Hawks still finished with a 4 seed.

Stop

JJ made the Allstar team and Smith didn't.

Stop

Because Smith plays with the IQ of a rotten banana.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You brought up JJ in the PLAYOFFS pushing the Celtics to 7 games. Now, I totally showed you how wrong you are and now you are talking about what Johnson did in the REGULAR SEASON? :laugh2:

Net fans have officially become the worst IQ fanbase. Congrats.

Lakers + Giants
07-10-2012, 05:08 PM
Camby has never sniffed 20 points a game.

That makes his DPOY of the year more incredible then! :speechless:

jmoney85
07-10-2012, 05:08 PM
yet you replied.

lob city


you mad?

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-10-2012, 05:09 PM
Camby has never sniffed 20 points a game.

have you ever sniffed an a$shole? Cuz your team stinks bro... your teams *****ty! :laugh:

You and waveycrocket shouldnt be able to talk until you get a minimum of 25 wins.

DoMeFavors
07-10-2012, 05:09 PM
Yep and its actually 5 PPG and 9 rpg in 23 mpg. Defensive centers are the top centers in the league.

Says who you? Ok so is Joel Anthony, Jason Collins the best centers in the league. Your point is terrible.

Punk
07-10-2012, 05:10 PM
Camby has never sniffed 20 points a game.

He's a defensive big man. Former DPOY. Why the hell would he need to score 20 points? He's grabbed more 20 rebound games than Lopez has recorded rebounds in 3 months of basketball.

Are you Mike D'antoni's daughter or wife? Which is one is it? Come clean.

knicksfan42
07-10-2012, 05:10 PM
lob city


you mad?

Why would he be mad, the Lakers with Steve Nash are better than the Clippers, heck they were better than the Clippers last year.

Lakers + Giants
07-10-2012, 05:10 PM
lob city


you mad?

Lakers had the most lobs in the NBA last year haha, FACT!

You mad?

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 05:10 PM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You brought up JJ in the PLAYOFFS pushing the Celtics to 7 games. Now, I totally showed you how wrong you are and now you are talking about what Johnson did in the REGULAR SEASON? :laugh2:

Net fans have officially become the worst IQ fanbase. Congrats.

Dont think thats possible. There are people out there who think J.Kidd puts them over the top. :)

DoMeFavors
07-10-2012, 05:11 PM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You brought up JJ in the PLAYOFFS pushing the Celtics to 7 games. Now, I totally showed you how wrong you are and now you are talking about what Johnson did in the REGULAR SEASON? :laugh2:

Net fans have officially become the worst IQ fanbase. Congrats.

And you said Horford pushed 7 games when he only played the 7th game.

Lakers + Giants
07-10-2012, 05:11 PM
Why would he be mad, the Lakers with Steve Nash are better than the Clippers, heck they were better than the Clippers last year.

thank you.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-10-2012, 05:11 PM
Dont think thats possible. There are people out there who think J.Kidd puts them over the top. :)

Nobdy's saying that... but U.

knicksfan42
07-10-2012, 05:12 PM
Says who you? Ok so is Joel Anthony, Jason Collins the best centers in the league. Your point is terrible.

Joel isn't that good of a defender or rebounder and neither is Jason Collins. Says the league and any fan with an IQ score in the triple digits.

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 05:12 PM
And you said Horford pushed 7 games when he only played the 7th game.

Check and mate :clap:

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 05:14 PM
Joel isn't that good of a defender or rebounder and neither is Jason Collins. Says the league and any fan with an IQ score in the triple digits.

Joel Anthony has shut down Amare Stoudemire since he's been with the Heat except for like 1 or 2 games.

Punk
07-10-2012, 05:15 PM
I'd love to sit here and waste my time talking to the trolls but I have better things to do with my time.

Fact is: The Nets with Lopez is a Top 5 or 6 team. Take it or leave it.

You can talk smack when they actually show they aren't a lottery team but until then the Nets are still a 20 win team.

scutch11
07-10-2012, 05:16 PM
DoMeFavors and WaveyCrockett have officially made me reluctant to come into the NBA forum. Congrats. You ****ing trolls

JasonJohnHorn
07-10-2012, 05:17 PM
If they kepp Humph and Lopez, and if Lopez can start rebounding, then the Nets will likely have the best starting five in the league. Plus they have the European forward they sign and Brooks coming off the bench, so they should be in pretty good shape to contend. They have as much talent as Miami.

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 05:17 PM
You can talk smack when they actually show they aren't a lottery team but until then the Nets are still a 20 win team.

Knicks are still a team with a "big-3" but a 7th seed and 1 playoff win to show for it.

Kerv_the_Knick
07-10-2012, 05:17 PM
They're already better than the Knicks - Stephen A. Smith


:confused:

Oh yeah, lol. Stephen A., the Knick fan himself...

Punk
07-10-2012, 05:18 PM
And you said Horford pushed 7 games when he only played the 7th game.

O RLY?

Horford returned in Game 5, troll.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=al+horford+returns+to+hawks&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CGwQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Faol.sportingnews.com%2Fnba%2Fstor y%2F2012-05-09%2Fal-horford-return-boston-celtics-atlanta-hawks-game-5-game-6-rajon-rondo&ei=qpv8T-KqKaPV0QHw7I3NBg&usg=AFQjCNEmxrG4CzbtReimkAXBe3nJZgGebw&cad=rja

DoMeFavors
07-10-2012, 05:18 PM
Chuck Hayes is a top player then

BigBlueCrew
07-10-2012, 05:18 PM
Knicks are still a team with a "big-3" and a 7th seed and 1 playoff win to show for it.

You're so hung up on that 7th seed. What was your seed last year or the year before that?

knicksfan42
07-10-2012, 05:19 PM
Joel Anthony has shut down Amare Stoudemire since he's been with the Heat except for like 1 or 2 games.

Amare averages vs. Anthony, 18.6 PPG (on 49%), 9.4 RPG, and 1.7 BPG and even if Amare played bad against Anthony every time he played him it wouldn't change the fact that he isn't that good of a defender.

Punk
07-10-2012, 05:19 PM
Knicks are still a team with a "big-3" but a 7th seed and 1 playoff win to show for it.

Okay?

_KB24_
07-10-2012, 05:19 PM
Competing for home-court in the playoffs and thats about it. Its Dwight or bust for them, he makes them THAT much better.

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 05:20 PM
O RLY?

Horford returned in Game 5, troll.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=al+horford+returns+to+hawks&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CGwQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Faol.sportingnews.com%2Fnba%2Fstor y%2F2012-05-09%2Fal-horford-return-boston-celtics-atlanta-hawks-game-5-game-6-rajon-rondo&ei=qpv8T-KqKaPV0QHw7I3NBg&usg=AFQjCNEmxrG4CzbtReimkAXBe3nJZgGebw&cad=rja

He played 20 minutes in game 5 and they were 1-2 once he came back. Yet he's a reason the Hawks got to 7 according to you.

Good job, good effort. :clap:

knicksfan42
07-10-2012, 05:22 PM
Chuck Hayes is a top player then

Chuck Hayes is an alright back up, not a good enough rebounder. Ben Wallace in his prime would be a better example of a top player. Wallace was one of the worst offensive players in the NBA when he was selected to his 3 All NBA Second teams and 2 All-NBA Third teams.

bknets00
07-10-2012, 05:23 PM
I'd love to sit here and waste my time talking to the trolls but I have better things to do with my time.

Fact is: The Nets with Lopez is a Top 5 or 6 team. Take it or leave it.

You can talk smack when they actually show they aren't a lottery team but until then the Nets are still a 20 win team.

Congratulations on winning 'DUMBEST POST of the DAY!`

Please tell me how you predict they are a top 5 and 6 team, while they will only win 20. Let me know the last team that did that!

jmoney85
07-10-2012, 05:23 PM
Why would he be mad, the Lakers with Steve Nash are better than the Clippers, heck they were better than the Clippers last year.

no they werent

jmoney85
07-10-2012, 05:24 PM
Congratulations on winning 'DUMBEST POST of the DAY!`

Please tell me how you predict they are a top 5 and 6 team, while they will only win 20. Let me know the last team that did that!

pot calling the kettle black?

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 05:24 PM
Amare averages vs. Anthony, 18.6 PPG (on 49%), 9.4 RPG, and 1.7 BPG and even if Amare played bad against Anthony every time he played him it wouldn't change the fact that he isn't that good of a defender.

What Amare has put on Anthony his last 7 regular season games.

14
20
18
9
13
12
16

Could you imagine if SHumpert was holding Wade to those numbers? lol

DoMeFavors
07-10-2012, 05:24 PM
Chuck Hayes is an alright back up, not a good enough rebounder. Ben Wallace in his prime would be a better example of a top player. Wallace was one of the worst offensive players in the NBA when he was selected to his 3 All NBA Second teams and 2 All-NBA Third teams.

You do realize Ben Wallace is so much better than Camby ever was and Chandler ever was.

Punk
07-10-2012, 05:26 PM
He played 20 minutes in game 5 and they were 1-2 once he came back. Yet he's a reason the Hawks got to 7 according to you.

Good job, good effort. :clap:

Horford was the one who stopped Rondo from making a game winning shot in Game 6 which led to a Game 7.

Horford also had a stat line of 19pts, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks while Joe Johnson had a stat line of 6-17 , 15 points.

Good job, good effort. :clap:

knicksfan42
07-10-2012, 05:26 PM
no they werent

They were. Lakers 41-25 3rd seed. Clippers 40-26 5th seed.

RonE Coleman
07-10-2012, 05:27 PM
Domefavors and waveycrocket.... hahahah I feel bad for Net fans that actually have a brain that they have fans like these 2 bums

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 05:27 PM
Horford was the one who stopped Rondo from making a game winning shot in Game 6 which led to a Game 7.

Horford also had a stat line of 19pts, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks while Joe Johnson had a stat line of 6-17 , 15 points.

Good job, good effort. :clap:

Hawks won 1 game with him. He must be the reason!!

knicksfan42
07-10-2012, 05:28 PM
You do realize Ben Wallace is so much better than Camby ever was and Chandler ever was.

Yep and he was a lot worse than both of them offensively. One of the worst offensive players of all time actually.

Punk
07-10-2012, 05:28 PM
Congratulations on winning 'DUMBEST POST of the DAY!`

Please tell me how you predict they are a top 5 and 6 team, while they will only win 20. Let me know the last team that did that!

Because, as of TODAY they are a a 25 win team?

I predict they will be a Top 5 or 6 team during the season.

Reading is fundamental, folks.

LTBaByyy
07-10-2012, 05:29 PM
You know Jmoney8373 WaveyCrockett and DoMeFavors are worried about the Nets because they spent their whole day in this thread hahaha

Its just peoples opinion about the Brooklyn Nets because it looks like the trade won't happen unless a miracle

Yet you think everyone is bashing lol

Go to bed kids

Punk
07-10-2012, 05:30 PM
Domefavors and waveycrocket.... hahahah I feel bad for Net fans that actually have a brain that they have fans like these 2 bums
Sad part is, they have good fans in that forum but the three pathetic ones ruin it for them.

DoMeFavors
07-10-2012, 05:31 PM
Yep and he was a lot worse than both of them offensively. One of the worst offensive players of all time actually.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Chandler and Camby are two of the worst offensive players in the league! Chandler and Camby have zero post up, zero jump shot. So how can you say a lot worse?

Punk
07-10-2012, 05:33 PM
Hawks won 1 game with him. He must be the reason!!

Umm...He was. You think a player can go 6-17 and be the reason to win a game? LOL

Horford guarded Rondo on the final play and Rondo couldn't get off a shot and time expired. Therefore, he was the reason why they won.

DoMeFavors
07-10-2012, 05:34 PM
You know Jmoney8373 WaveyCrockett and DoMeFavors are worried about the Nets because they spent their whole day in this thread hahaha

Its just peoples opinion about the Brooklyn Nets because it looks like the trade won't happen unless a miracle

Yet you think everyone is bashing lol

Go to bed kids

I dont think people are bashing I think everyone has an opinion..I know you wont let it go that Deron chose Nets over Mavs..you need to get over that yourself.

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 05:34 PM
You know Jmoney8373 WaveyCrockett and DoMeFavors are worried about the Nets because they spent their whole day in this thread hahaha



We aren't lucky enough to have missed out on Dwill and KNOW our team is going to suck like you bud.

29$JerZ
07-10-2012, 05:35 PM
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Chandler and Camby are two of the worst offensive players in the league! Chandler and Camby have zero post up, zero jump shot. So how can you say a lot worse?

Chandler had one of the highest FG% in the NBA

Keep trying

mamba24
07-10-2012, 05:35 PM
miami
chicago
boston
nets
pacers
knicks

knicksfan42
07-10-2012, 05:36 PM
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Chandler and Camby are two of the worst offensive players in the league! Chandler and Camby have zero post up, zero jump shot. So how can you say a lot worse?

Looking at the numbers he's definitely much worse than Chandler, but he is only slightly worse than Camby.

WickedBadMan
07-10-2012, 05:37 PM
I'm just going to pick a random team to bench mark them against... Let's say five games better than the Knicks.

Punk
07-10-2012, 05:38 PM
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Chandler and Camby are two of the worst offensive players in the league! Chandler and Camby have zero post up, zero jump shot. So how can you say a lot worse?
How can Chandler be one of the one of the worst offensive players if he lead the league in FG%? and Camby has a mid-range jumper.

Camby/Chandler aren't offensive players and scorers but Wallace was worse offensively.

And at the end of the day, they are defensive bigs and their offense means nothing. They do not need to score. They will get points from rebounds, pick and roll dunks and free throws.

You have ZERO argument. Lopez can't defend or rebound. They can. Defense > Offense.

knicksfan42
07-10-2012, 05:39 PM
Defense > Offense.

When it comes to centers at least. Add rebounding to so Defense + Rebounding > Offense for Centers.

DoMeFavors
07-10-2012, 05:39 PM
Chandler had one of the highest FG% in the NBA

Keep trying

All dunks, are you seriouly going to try to make a point that Chandler is a good offensive player? He played over 30 min a game.

RonE Coleman
07-10-2012, 05:41 PM
All dunks, are you seriouly going to try to make a point that Chandler is a good offensive player? He played over 30 min a game.

Since when are style points awarded for how someone scores. Points on the scoreboard are points on the scoreboard.

Good try silly girl.

DoMeFavors
07-10-2012, 05:42 PM
How can Chandler be one of the one of the worst offensive players if he lead the league in FG%? and Camby has a mid-range jumper.

Camby/Chandler aren't offensive players and scorers but Wallace was worse offensively.

And at the end of the day, they are defensive bigs and their offense means nothing. They do not need to score. They will get points from rebounds, pick and roll dunks and free throws.

You have ZERO argument. Lopez can't defend or rebound. They can. Defense > Offense.

Ok so defense > offense

Tony Allen > Carmelo Anthony
Serge Ibaka > Dirk

RonE Coleman
07-10-2012, 05:43 PM
Ok so defense > offense

Tony Allen > Carmelo Anthony
Serge Ibaka > Dirk

Fail. Good job. Good Effort. Go make me a sandwich. Hold the mayo

johnnyswimm
07-10-2012, 05:45 PM
They will be in the same position as last year just the games will be closer even with Dwight I don't see them blowing people out you absolutely have no bench.

knicksfan42
07-10-2012, 05:46 PM
Ok so defense > offense


When it comes to centers, Defense + Rebounding > Offense.

nystandup
07-10-2012, 05:47 PM
Fail. Good job. Good Effort. Go make me a sandwich. Hold the mayo

Just leave her alone, she's had enough.

triple5real
07-10-2012, 06:38 PM
I see many think or feel this year will be similar to 3 years ago as far as the Chicago and Boston perception goes but with the exception of Miami on top with that being said....

Miami
Boston
New York
Chicago (w/ Rose)
Bk
Ind
Phil
Was

Without Rose Bulls can drop to 5 or 6 plus even when Rose comeback
what type of player is returning with that type of injury. Having months
away from action is a major factor...Its going to take him time to get back into form.
Stop sleeping on the Knicks they are deeper then Miami and Just as deep as Boston.....
3, 4, and 5 can flip flop depending on the remainder of the off-season.

ragman
07-10-2012, 06:54 PM
I heard someone say on a local sports radio station that before the signing of Deron Williams, the odds of the Nets winning an NBA title were 100 to 1. The odds are now 20 to 1. If they sign Howard, the odds are lower than that.

pacersfan1967
07-10-2012, 07:08 PM
miami
boston
NY
Nets
Chi(without rose)-swap Ny and chicago when rose gets backmove out boston..put INDIANA there..nets would be up there chicago if rose isn't playing they well be a little bit lower..

pacersfan1967
07-10-2012, 07:16 PM
After MIA and BOS the east is wide open. They can be anywhere from 3 to 7 I think. i 'D RATE BOST 5 OR 6 SEED..

Ch0ZSeN1
07-10-2012, 10:12 PM
meet

Well since you were not able to think outside the box I will help you. I wasn't comparing the Knicks and the Heat as franchises. I was comparing the fact that during the Heats first year through the locker room cry sessions many people said they couldn't play together, perhaps trade bosh. We all heard that. The next year they won the championship. Last year people said Amare and melo couldnt play together, those same people, like yourself, have a hard time thinking out of the box. The Knicks were never all healthy at the same time together for most of the season. They went through an offseason with no training camp, a season without many practices and a coaching change. Now I'm not saying that they could all play together nor am I saying they are going to win a championship, I am simply saying give the Knicks a full offseason as a team with consistency before we sign that check. Also let's wait to see how the nets chemistry is before we hand them the championship or two seed.

xxplayerxx23
07-10-2012, 10:47 PM
Heat,Celtics.Indy Knicks>nets without howard

justinnum1
07-10-2012, 10:51 PM
Ok so defense > offense

Tony Allen > Carmelo Anthony
Serge Ibaka > Dirk

:drunk: