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NYSpirit1
07-09-2012, 08:36 PM
Honest answer:

C Tyson Chandler
PF Amare Stoudemire
SF Carmelo Anthony
SG Iman Shumpert
PG Jeremy Lin

2nd Unit

C Marcus Camby
PF Steve Novak
SF Landry Fields or Rashard Lewis or no one
SG JR Smith
PG Jason Kidd

Lewis or Fields would provide an extra spark off the bench for scoring if they aren't signed, however if this is it; I say 55 wins and the number 2 seed.

Glen20
07-09-2012, 08:38 PM
ill say 50 wins
they didn't get worse

RLundi
07-09-2012, 08:39 PM
Honest answer:
I say 55 wins and the number 2 seed.

1. Heat- more talent
2. Nets- more talent
3. Celtics- familiarity and better-coached
4. Knicks

So I say more like 46-50 wins and the number 3 or 4 seed.

JOhnnyTHaJet
07-09-2012, 08:40 PM
Since when does a 6th seed have 50 wins?

Anyway, I'd say around a 6th seed, 5th at the highest.

All depends on if Amare is healthy and Kidd fits in well.

Delusional
07-09-2012, 08:40 PM
I'd say anywhere in the realm of 42-48 wins. They haven't gotten any worse, but they really haven't gotten much better either.

Kashmir13579
07-09-2012, 08:41 PM
Fields is gone, dude. We are not matching that.

StarvingKnick22
07-09-2012, 08:46 PM
im so glad that other team fans support us now more than they hate us :)

YashBoone
07-09-2012, 08:46 PM
Besides the fact that the Knicks really added two solid pieces in Kidd and Camby for depth, people are really underestimating how much a full training camp and full year together will make a difference.


I say top 3 seed

Glen20
07-09-2012, 08:47 PM
LOL first seed is an option

utl768
07-09-2012, 08:49 PM
45-50 win team

probably a 3-4 seed

might win a series in the postseason

zero chance at a title

knicks are in the worst position you can be in the nba because they wont be bad enough to get a high draft pick but theyll win enough games to create enough false hope that they wont rebuild

AYozzy
07-09-2012, 08:51 PM
All depends on how the rest of FA plays out and if Knicks can even get another SG ...Amare and Tyson are working with Olajuwon just like Lebron did so who knows

1) Heat
2) Nets (IF they get Dwight)
3) Knicks
4) Celtics
5) Pacers
6) Bulls
7) Bucks
8) Wizards...yes, the washington wizards

airronijordan
07-09-2012, 08:53 PM
3rd seed. 50-32.

seikou8
07-09-2012, 08:54 PM
50 -55 wins amare will be back (i hope) melo wont be a ball stopper . i think a full training camp we get lin and novak back we can win the divsion thats all i going to say because injuries could play a factor in this .

Glen20
07-09-2012, 08:54 PM
im so glad that other team fans support us now more than they hate us :)

why do you care about what people think of your team?
it's not like your directly attributed to them

D12 fan
07-09-2012, 08:55 PM
The Knicks will be favorites to win the chip.Amare will be healthy and Lin will be a top 5 pg.

RLundi
07-09-2012, 08:56 PM
im so glad that other team fans support us now more than they hate us :)

No thanks to you :)

Blahoo12
07-09-2012, 08:56 PM
every god damn year you knicks fan hype the **** outta your team.

the knicks are gonna be average.

stat is one of the most over payed players in the league, and melo might be the worst "superstar" in the history of basketball.

you guys aint winning **** with that terribly built team ....

TheNumber37
07-09-2012, 08:56 PM
You guys realize that the Knicks, Nets and Celtics all play in the same division. That means that they can only get a 2, 4 or 5 seed.

TheNumber37
07-09-2012, 08:58 PM
People are really overlooking what Kidd is going to bring to the team. And people who think Mike Woodson is going to start Lin over Kidd are even crazier.
Kidd would play with Melo, Stat and Chandler than Lin could.
And Lin plays really well with Jr, Novak and the other 2nd unit guys.
I say Lin in starting by next season, maybe even the one after.

RLundi
07-09-2012, 08:58 PM
All depends on how the rest of FA plays out and if Knicks can even get another SG ...Amare and Tyson are working with Olajuwon just like Lebron did so who knows

1) Heat
2) Nets (IF they get Dwight)
3) Knicks
4) Celtics
5) Pacers
6) Bulls
7) Bucks
8) Wizards...yes, the washington wizards

I could get on board with this, though I'd sub the Wiz for the Hawks.

fadedmario
07-09-2012, 09:00 PM
Better than the Nets.

RLundi
07-09-2012, 09:00 PM
People are really overlooking what Kidd is going to bring to the team. And people who think Mike Woodson is going to start Lin over Kidd are even crazier.
Kidd would play with Melo, Stat and Chandler than Lin could.
And Lin plays really well with Jr, Novak and the other 2nd unit guys.
I say Lin in starting by next season, maybe even the one after.

Please tell me you're kidding. Kidd was one of the most inefficient point guards in the league last year, and even advanced statistics can't prove how god-awful the guy was.

Knicks21
07-09-2012, 09:02 PM
They will have HCA in the first round imo.

dnewguy
07-09-2012, 09:02 PM
Probably 6th if they're lucky. No chemistry on that team....their GM is terrible at signing players that fit together, they just get a bunch of players and hope things work. They've won a total of 1 play-off game in the last 10 years but somehow they're contenders after getting two of Betty White's ex bf's......boy please. Those guys were around during prohibition for crying out loud.

JoeyBoy718
07-09-2012, 09:02 PM
Would a thread titled How good are the Cavs, Bucks, Bobcats, Grizzlies, Raptors, Hornets, Nuggets, Magic, Rockets, you get the point, make the main forum?

ivylleague1'
07-09-2012, 09:02 PM
People are really overlooking what Kidd is going to bring to the team. And people who think Mike Woodson is going to start Lin over Kidd are even crazier.
Kidd would play with Melo, Stat and Chandler than Lin could.
And Lin plays really well with Jr, Novak and the other 2nd unit guys.
I say Lin in starting by next season, maybe even the one after.


Yeah Kidd will score 50 points / game, just like he was scoring for the Nets before they traded him. He is now much younger. Go Kidd!!!! Go Knicks !!!! Knicks will win it all !!!!!

ATX
07-09-2012, 09:03 PM
So NY added a 39 year old PG and a 38 year old C. Don't see how that catapults them too far. They also lost Fields.

4th or 5th seed. 48 Wins

RLundi
07-09-2012, 09:03 PM
Probably 6th if they're lucky. No chemistry on that team....their GM is terrible at signing players that fit together, they just get a bunch of players and hope things work. They've won a total of 1 play-off game in the last 10 years but somehow they're contenders after getting two of Betty White's ex bf's......boy please. Those guys where around during prohibition for crying out loud.

:laugh2:

seikou8
07-09-2012, 09:03 PM
every god damn year you knicks fan hype the **** outta your team.

the knicks are gonna be average.

stat is one of the most over payed players in the league, and melo might be the worst "superstar" in the history of basketball.

you guys aint winning **** with that terribly built team ....

ok someone needs a hug

LongIslandIcedZ
07-09-2012, 09:05 PM
Would a thread titled How good are the Cavs, Bucks, Bobcats, Grizzlies, Raptors, Hornets, Nuggets, Magic, Rockets, you get the point, make the main forum?

Why dont you make one and see instead of complaining? It would probably get some genuine opinions.

Anyway, if the Nets do not get Dwight I will say the Knicks can finish with the 2 or 3 seed,


If the Nets do get Dwight, then I can see the Knicks getting the 3 or 4 seed. Nets are the wild card for me.

Should be a fun year.

RLundi
07-09-2012, 09:06 PM
Why dont you make one and see instead of complaining? It would probably get some genuine opinions.


You provoked him, now he's seriously doing it :laugh2:

Mr Costanza
07-09-2012, 09:07 PM
Why would you make this thread? While I'm sure some posters will give honest answers, most will just use it to take a dump on the Knicks.

dnewguy
07-09-2012, 09:08 PM
Why would you make this thread? While I'm sure some posters will give honest answers, most will just use it to take a dump on the Knicks.

He asked for honest answers.....I gave him one.

Dade County
07-09-2012, 09:08 PM
I said this when the HEAT won the series against the knicks...

Knicks vs HEAT in the ECF 2012-2013

Knicks can finish in whatever spot, only team thats going to beat them in the playoffs, is the HEAT.

They are loaded to me, and if they play the Nets with Howard that will be a great series.

And their are two teams that I would never want them to be successful, Knicks & jets... But I can actually see how good the Knicks can be with a full season.

YashBoone
07-09-2012, 09:09 PM
every god damn year you knicks fan hype the **** outta your team.

the knicks are gonna be average.

stat is one of the most over payed players in the league, and melo might be the worst "superstar" in the history of basketball.

you guys aint winning **** with that terribly built team ....

Sooooooo what your saying is that we should just hope of the worst?
I don't get it?
Did you have a bad day or something
Because you sound angry because other people are passionate about their team and not jut bandwagon fair weather fans?

JoeyBoy718
07-09-2012, 09:09 PM
The Knicks added a 40 year old Marcus Camby. I can understand a How good will the T-Wolves, Nets, Lakers be, but the Knicks? They seriously haven't done anything. They lost Fields and most likely Smith and replaced them with Camby. This thread is very unnecessary.

Mr Costanza
07-09-2012, 09:11 PM
every god damn year you knicks fan hype the **** outta your team.

the knicks are gonna be average.

stat is one of the most over payed players in the league, and melo might be the worst "superstar" in the history of basketball.

you guys aint winning **** with that terribly built team ....

At least we give you stuff to talk with your therapist about.

Daddy issues?

YashBoone
07-09-2012, 09:12 PM
The Knicks added a 40 year old Marcus Camby. I can understand a How good will the T-Wolves, Nets, Lakers be, but the Knicks? They seriously haven't done anything. They lost Fields and most likely Smith and replaced them with Camby. This thread is very unnecessary.

Actually most likely smith will come back and losing Landry is the best thing that could have happened.

Gagan136
07-09-2012, 09:15 PM
Ill say 45-50 wins.

noodle
07-09-2012, 09:16 PM
Probably 6th if they're lucky. No chemistry on that team....their GM is terrible at signing players that fit together, they just get a bunch of players and hope things work. They've won a total of 1 play-off game in the last 10 years but somehow they're contenders after getting two of Betty White's ex bf's......boy please. Those guys were around during prohibition for crying out loud.

You're a jerkoff.

Btw, go **** your mother you Miami *****.

JoeyBoy718
07-09-2012, 09:16 PM
Actually most likely smith will come back and losing Landry is the best thing that could have happened.

They added Kidd and Camby. They got destroyed the last 2 years in the first round
. They've never been a good team. I'm from New York. I don't care that it's New York. It annoys me because the Knicks are not relevant and the fans who think they are are fooling themselves. They're a mid-seed in the East who gets destroyed in the first round. Relevance?

MTL_123
07-09-2012, 09:23 PM
i say they finish 4th

Miami
Nets(With D-12)
Celtics
Knicks
Pacers
Bulls
76ers
Wiz

jimm120
07-09-2012, 09:24 PM
Besides the fact that the Knicks really added two solid pieces in Kidd and Camby for depth, people are really underestimating how much a full training camp and full year together will make a difference.


I say top 3 seed

I think UNDERESTIMATING the effect of not having Dantoni there.

Sorry, 18-6 after Dantoni was fired. 6-0 with the "full team" out there (before Lin and Amare got injured...and not even gonna talk about the playoffs, in which we added Davis and SHumpert to those two).

I'm expecting a great record.

And I don't know about the Nets. Really? a #2 seed?

scaramantula
07-09-2012, 09:25 PM
im thinking there probobly not gong to get any higher than 5th

TeamSeattle
07-09-2012, 09:33 PM
Probably 6th if they're lucky. No chemistry on that team....their GM is terrible at signing players that fit together, they just get a bunch of players and hope things work. They've won a total of 1 play-off game in the last 10 years but somehow they're contenders after getting two of Betty White's ex bf's......boy please. Those guys were around during prohibition for crying out loud.

This is what I don't get why is there so much personal animosity when it comes to the Knicks team. I feel like fans and players always treat us like a living joke or something. Were never a real contender; we making terrible moves (when we are improving), and fans are overrating the team; when in actuality were right with the analysts predictions every year.

JoeyBoy718
07-09-2012, 09:37 PM
This is what I don't get why is there so much personal animosity when it comes to the Knicks team. I feel like fans and players always treat us like a living joke or something. Were never a real contender; we making terrible moves (when we are improving), and fans are overrating the team; when in actuality were right with the analysts predictions every year.

Sounds like the Bucks and Hawks. But those threads got moved...

StarvingKnick22
07-09-2012, 09:38 PM
cant wait for next season and good playoff runs baby!

DR_1
07-09-2012, 09:42 PM
All depends on how the rest of FA plays out and if Knicks can even get another SG ...Amare and Tyson are working with Olajuwon just like Lebron did so who knows

1) Heat
2) Nets (IF they get Dwight)
3) Knicks
4) Celtics
5) Pacers
6) Bulls
7) Bucks
8) Wizards...yes, the washington wizards

:laugh:

JoeyBoy718
07-09-2012, 09:44 PM
Maybe they'll win 2 playoff games this year. At that rate they'll win a playoff series in 2015.

And don't call this baiting because it's the most accurate prediction so far.

Bishnoff
07-09-2012, 09:45 PM
Probably 6th if they're lucky. No chemistry on that team....their GM is terrible at signing players that fit together, they just get a bunch of players and hope things work. They've won a total of 1 play-off game in the last 10 years but somehow they're contenders after getting two of Betty White's ex bf's......boy please. Those guys were around during prohibition for crying out loud.

Bolded is spot on.

MTL_123
07-09-2012, 09:46 PM
:laugh:

no rose no wins

xxplayerxx23
07-09-2012, 09:48 PM
1.nets assuming dwight goes there
2. Heat wont care enough to get number 1 seed
3.Boston
4.Indy
5.NY
6.Bulls
7.Philly
8.Toronto :)

DR_1
07-09-2012, 09:50 PM
no rose no wins

:facepalm: The Bulls can still be the 1 seed without Rose, they were last year.

MTL_123
07-09-2012, 09:51 PM
1.nets assuming dwight goes there
2. Heat wont care enough to get number 1 seed
3.Boston
4.Indy
5.NY
6.Bulls
7.Philly
8.Toronto :)

knicks will be better then the pacers

MTL_123
07-09-2012, 09:51 PM
:facepalm: The Bulls can still be the 1 seed without Rose, they were last year.

rose might miss the entire season

D12 fan
07-09-2012, 09:52 PM
:facepalm: The Bulls can still be the 1 seed without Rose, they were last year.

Dude stop the Bulls are not a top 5 team without Rose.See what happened in the playoffs without Rose?

Glen20
07-09-2012, 09:52 PM
:facepalm: The Bulls can still be the 1 seed without Rose, they were last year.

what does the trophy look like for the number 1 seed?

xxplayerxx23
07-09-2012, 09:53 PM
knicks will be better then the pacers

I agree but a division leader has to be top 4

xxplayerxx23
07-09-2012, 09:53 PM
:facepalm: The Bulls can still be the 1 seed without Rose, they were last year.

lol!!!!!!!!!!

Quietmoney
07-09-2012, 09:54 PM
every god damn year you knicks fan hype the **** outta your team.

the knicks are gonna be average.

stat is one of the most over payed players in the league, and melo might be the worst "superstar" in the history of basketball.

you guys aint winning **** with that terribly built team ....

Terribly built team?? We got two very good defensive centers, one the current defensive player of the year, we got two good point guards in Lin and Kidd as a backup, We got Melo... And he's top ten. We also have another defensive stud in Shumpert, he's possibly the best defender at the 2 guard position, then we have the best 3 point shooter on the damn planet coming off the bench with another good bench player in JR Smith. And that leaves Amare... If he bounces back like I feel he would, then we are the deepest team in the league!

D12 fan
07-09-2012, 09:54 PM
5.nets assuming dwight goes there
2. Heat wont care enough to get number 1 seed
3.Boston
4.Indy
1.NY
6.Bulls
7.Philly
8.Toronto :)

Fixed it for you.;)

Mr. Baller
07-09-2012, 09:57 PM
:facepalm: The Bulls can still be the 1 seed without Rose, they were last year.

:laugh:

Crackadalic
07-09-2012, 09:57 PM
Top 4. Any lower is a failure IMO

xxplayerxx23
07-09-2012, 09:57 PM
Fixed it for you.;)

Lol so be it. :p

themadstork
07-09-2012, 10:00 PM
Gotta love Knick fans, year in and year out they are the most consistently entertaining fan base out there.

It'll be high comedy when they realize they're second fiddle in their own town and that Napoleon complex kicks into high gear.

Lol...1973 was a pretty long time ago. They're going to give that curse the Rangers carried around a run for its money.

-Stork

LA_Raiders
07-09-2012, 10:01 PM
45 wins

setman2000
07-09-2012, 10:01 PM
45-50 win team

probably a 3-4 seed

might win a series in the postseason

zero chance at a title

knicks are in the worst position you can be in the nba because they wont be bad enough to get a high draft pick but theyll win enough games to create enough false hope that they wont rebuild

The Nuggets have been doing this for YEARS!

justinnum1
07-09-2012, 10:03 PM
45-50 win team

probably a 3-4 seed

might win a series in the postseason

zero chance at a title

knicks are in the worst position you can be in the nba because they wont be bad enough to get a high draft pick but theyll win enough games to create enough false hope that they wont rebuild

Pretty good analysis

JoeyBoy718
07-09-2012, 10:04 PM
The Nuggets have been doing this for YEARS!

Many teams have. The Knicks will never be a contender. They'll consistently be a mid-seed and lose early in the playoffs. One year they might even win a series or two and provide all the fans with false hope.

NYSPORTSALLDAY
07-09-2012, 10:23 PM
The Knicks added a 40 year old Marcus Camby. I can understand a How good will the T-Wolves, Nets, Lakers be, but the Knicks? They seriously haven't done anything. They lost Fields and most likely Smith and replaced them with Camby. This thread is very unnecessary.

Fields was playing like **** u idiot. Know what ur talking about before u post. Same goes for 85% of the people on PSD.

Glen20
07-09-2012, 10:30 PM
Fields was playing like **** u idiot. Know what ur talking about before u post. Same goes for 85% of the people on PSD.

LOL he's in the same 85% that are Knicks fans who think they have a good team :rolleyes:

KaganRS
07-09-2012, 10:31 PM
I voted 4th-6th with 50 something wins. Team chemistry is an issue.

However your team will never be as good as the '03 --->'08 Pistons.

thank you !

JoeyBoy718
07-09-2012, 10:33 PM
LOL he's in the same 85% that are Knicks fans who think they have a good team :rolleyes:

I'm not a Knicks fan. I'm the one who posted all those threads about other teams because I felt a Knicks thread on the main forum was unnecessary.

TeamSeattle
07-09-2012, 10:33 PM
LOL he's in the same 85% that are Knicks fans who think they have a good team :rolleyes:

See this type of stupidity is what gets me. A 4-6 seed is barely a contender if at all, and yet we still have people telling us we are overrating our team :facepalm:

heyman321
07-09-2012, 10:38 PM
Knicks are back baby!!! knicks are back!!!

*halfway into the season*

TRADE AMARE HE'S A CANCER.

metsfanssince05
07-09-2012, 10:40 PM
If we could resign JR Smith, we are in pretty good shape.. But the thing is Shump is out until December so that leaves a whole.

You can't really say where they will be, it depends on Amar'e and if could bounce back, if Lin can continue what he finished off and Melo having a better year. If that's the case they we are a top 3 team in the east.

Lets see how things pan out, for all you know they could exceed expectations of what they had when they got Anthony which was to contend for a title, maybe they will bust for all you know. I don't know. Time will tell. Its unpredictable at this point so I'm not going to answer. But I can say we are a top 8 team in the east.

But on paper were a pretty strong team. I mean we picked up a veteran leader who could defend in Jason Kidd, Marcus Camby who gobbles every rebound. Sure there old but its defiantly an improvement of what we had last year, and whats funny is we had a very good bench last season.

KnickFanSince91
07-09-2012, 10:41 PM
Better than we were last year now that we have a real starting pg and an actual coach.

Glen20
07-09-2012, 10:45 PM
See this type of stupidity is what gets me. A 4-6 seed is barely a contender if at all, and yet we still have people telling us we are overrating our team :facepalm:

so you're admitting the knicks aren't a contender?
that's the first accurate analysis i've heard from a knicks fan all day

piratepete
07-09-2012, 10:45 PM
All depends on how the rest of FA plays out and if Knicks can even get another SG ...Amare and Tyson are working with Olajuwon just like Lebron did so who knows

1) Heat
2) Nets (IF they get Dwight)
3) Knicks
4) Celtics
5) Pacers
6) Bulls
7) Bucks
8) Wizards...yes, the washington wizards

i think the celtics where harder to beat then okc and they added terry and others to their roster i dont think even nets with howard can beat the celtics to mush exp,

YashBoone
07-09-2012, 10:45 PM
Actually most likely smith will come back and losing Landry is the best thing that could have happened.

They added Kidd and Camby. They got destroyed the last 2 years in the first round
. They've never been a good team. I'm from New York. I don't care that it's New York. It annoys me because the Knicks are not relevant and the fans who think they are are fooling themselves. They're a mid-seed in the East who gets destroyed in the first round. Relevance?

What are you talking about?
Your from ny then you should know that true ny knick fans have been
Loyal all these heartbreaking years and all we want is to see our team compete. And we have been more relevant now then we have been for more then 10 years.....

How does it annoy you that fans stay loyal to their team and hope for the best?????

Maybe you should check why you gettin so angry over people loving their home town team.

knicks=love
07-09-2012, 10:46 PM
i absolutely hate threads like these more than anything. summer league just started and this is what we're talking about.. :facepalm:

justinnum1
07-09-2012, 10:47 PM
i absolutely hate threads like these more than anything. summer league just started and this is what we're talking about.. :facepalm:

Look who made it

Evolution23
07-09-2012, 10:47 PM
#1 seed. ******** on the competition.

TeamSeattle
07-09-2012, 10:49 PM
#1 seed. ******** on the competition.

no need to play up these guys on here. Enough jokes

Glen20
07-09-2012, 10:50 PM
#1 seed. ******** on the competition.

we're talking about the regular season, not the summer league.

justinnum1
07-09-2012, 10:59 PM
i said top 3 last year and they turned out to be a 7th seed and almost missed the playoffs entirely. I guess they will be the 4th seed and win 52 games

justinnum1
07-09-2012, 11:00 PM
#1 seed. ******** on the competition.

you do know you are the worst at making predictions. You thought miami would lose in 5 to the knicks in the first round:laugh2:

Troll on.

bholly
07-09-2012, 11:07 PM
Super weird poll options - the win numbers and seed numbers don't equate at all. I wanted 45-50, 4th-6th seed, so I went for the 4th option.

Evolution23
07-09-2012, 11:14 PM
we're talking about the regular season, not the summer league.

we talking about practice?

Evolution23
07-09-2012, 11:14 PM
you do know you are the worst at making predictions. You thought miami would lose in 5 to the knicks in the first round:laugh2:

Troll on.

It was all for you big boy

HoodedSB
07-09-2012, 11:14 PM
I think they'll be a 4 seed.

DoMeFavors
07-09-2012, 11:16 PM
I chose 7-8th seed thats what they were last year and havent added any good talent.

justinnum1
07-09-2012, 11:17 PM
miami
NJ(w/ dwight)
boston
NY

thats how i see the east with Miami and boston playing in the ECF

Yankees22
07-09-2012, 11:17 PM
It's really difficult to say. Their whole tenure there has been 0 continuity. I say, at worst, they'll be a 6th seed or so and I'd lean towards saying that 4-6 range but there is definitely potential for a much better season than that

justinnum1
07-09-2012, 11:20 PM
It's really difficult to say. Their whole tenure there has been 0 continuity. I say, at worst, they'll be a 6th seed or so and I'd lean towards saying that 4-6 range but there is definitely potential for a much better season than that

Very well said.

KnIckFaN.2883
07-09-2012, 11:20 PM
I think the knicks still need to get some other pieces to complete their team. Can't really judge yet beacuse they still have to sign jermey lin, and other role players

torocan
07-09-2012, 11:23 PM
Most likely 3/4 seed, but possible shot at #2 seed even if the Nets get Dwight just due to the time it takes to gel so many players that have never played together.

Doubt we'll get the #1 seed unless the Heat take their foot off the gas or suffer injuries.

Knicks fall under a Dark Horse team. Not anywhere near favored, but with some luck could end up getting deep.

Hawkeye15
07-09-2012, 11:23 PM
I can't even vote due to the win parameters being crap. In the east, you can win under 45 and make the playoffs. Easy.

StarvingKnick22
07-09-2012, 11:24 PM
Knicks are back baby!!! knicks are back!!!

*halfway into the season*

TRADE AMARE HE'S A CANCER.

seems legit. But you know damn well amare sucks

smood999
07-09-2012, 11:25 PM
I said this when the HEAT won the series against the knicks...

Knicks vs HEAT in the ECF 2012-2013

Knicks can finish in whatever spot, only team thats going to beat them in the playoffs, is the HEAT.

They are loaded to me, and if they play the Nets with Howard that will be a great series.

And their are two teams that I would never want them to be successful, Knicks & jets... But I can actually see how good the Knicks can be with a full season.

Exactly this..I thought the Knicks run will end whenever they got to MIA...it just so happens it was the first round...the Knicks seemed to turn the corner with Boston last season..it was regular season so we will never truly know...also just go back to the playoffs the previous yr..no Amare and no Billups and Knicks could have easily been up 2-0 going back to NY

No Rose..not worried about the Bulls next yr..but even with Rose the Knicks always had close games with the Bulls..the main difference was the Bulls rebounding in all those games..with Camby and Chandler maybe it wont be such an advantage anymore..enough to sway it..idk

NY owned Indy last season and fully expect them to continue to do so...I think ppl read into the Indy MIA series a little too much and ignore that Bosh was not there...

BK is only better if they acquire Howard...even then they are starting from the beginning it'll take atleast a yr to fill their roster...MIA didn't do it in yr one those guys won't either

Everybody wants to come to a conclusion about the Knicks but they might be the biggest mystery in the NBA...how many games have we seen a healthy Knicks team to draw conclusions? How many games under Woodson? 6-1 at full strength, 18-6 overall but to be fair I wont even point to that, it's too small of a sample...they still remain a mystery...

smood999
07-09-2012, 11:27 PM
I chose 7-8th seed thats what they were last year and havent added any good talent.

yeah with a coaching change, no full training camp, and a team at full strength for 3wks-4wks total...how can you judge? Even with all that they were only 3 games behind Boston for the Atlantic and that was coming from a point of 6 games under 500...

C-Wick925
07-09-2012, 11:28 PM
There needs to be an option in most all polls that says "dont care just want to see results"

Becks2307
07-09-2012, 11:29 PM
LOL we had mike d'antoni the last 4 years, that **** shouldn't even count. Imagine if you guys could have seen how badly he coached the last 4 years, it was mind boggling. There were like 5 diff knicks teams last year, with a full training camp and a set roster they should be a top 3 seed imo

smood999
07-09-2012, 11:30 PM
There needs to be an option in most all polls that says "dont care just want to see results"

I'm with this...they're too big of a mystery and too hyped every season...no time for talk, too big of an unknown to guess...just let them play

Glen20
07-09-2012, 11:33 PM
LOL we had mike d'antoni the last 4 years, that **** shouldn't even count. Imagine if you guys could have seen how badly he coached the last 4 years, it was mind boggling. There were like 5 diff knicks teams last year, with a full training camp and a set roster they should be a top 3 seed imo

of course it counts
your FO made those decisions
its not our fault your team has been crap all this time

faridk89
07-09-2012, 11:36 PM
so OP really thinks Kidd will sit on the bench behind Lin.... interesting....

Becks2307
07-09-2012, 11:36 PM
of course it counts
your FO made those decisions
its not our fault your team has been crap all this time

FO didn't make the decision for all the freak **** that happened last season....it was just a weird season

Glen20
07-09-2012, 11:37 PM
FO didn't make the decision for all the freak **** that happened last season....it was just a weird season

no. injuries sure, but team building, coaching staff, mindset of players is a result of the terrible culture of losing built by that terrible FO.

props to them for trying to change it, but i just feel that every roster move made by the knicks has been overshadowed by a better roster move by a rival team.

TeamSeattle
07-09-2012, 11:40 PM
no. injuries sure, but team building, coaching staff, mindset of players is a result of the terrible culture of losing built by that terrible FO.

props to them for trying to change it, but i just feel that every roster move made by the knicks has been overshadowed by a better roster move by a rival team.

This must be the heat fans complex or something. Stop comparing us to your team alone and judge us according to the entire eastern conference.

IIISSKiLL
07-09-2012, 11:42 PM
couldn't knick fans for once just wait and see what happens instead of assuming how the year will go ? i mean this is the reason you guys get let down EVERY SEASON.. "were gonna be better than the nets" blah blah blah blah blah just watch your team play so you won't look like jackasses if it doesnt go your way

justinnum1
07-09-2012, 11:43 PM
This must be the heat fans complex or something. Stop comparing us to your team alone and judge us according to the entire eastern conference.

ok, i still have you guys behind boston and very close to NJ as is, if the nets get dwight then obviosuly that would put them on another level. But i am looking forward to playing a healthy knicks team, hopefully we meet later in the playoffs than the first round.

IIISSKiLL
07-09-2012, 11:49 PM
"were getting lebron, no were getting wade, no were getting bosh, ah **** we got amar'e, ok were still getting lebron, oh no lebron didnt come !! **** the miami heat !!" "were getting phil jackson, for sure were getting phil jackson.. we didnt get phil jackson" "were getting nash, were going to beat the heat, omg nash is coming, he went to the lakers" i don't feel like doing this anymore but seriously you knick fans waiting to find out "how good" new york is going to be, or how good lin is going to be, or if you're better than the nets is more annoying then a ****ing dwight howard thread

Glen20
07-09-2012, 11:51 PM
This must be the heat fans complex or something. Stop comparing us to your team alone and judge us according to the entire eastern conference.

NJ got deron for less than you did with melo...
clippers landed with cp3
stat has a max contract
amnestied billups
heat got allen; NYK got kidd

terrible, terrible FO

Ill21
07-09-2012, 11:52 PM
Haters everywhere.

Glen20
07-09-2012, 11:56 PM
Haters everywhere.

well maybe we're sick of hearing of how NY is FINALLY going to have a chance of winning

IIISSKiLL
07-10-2012, 12:00 AM
Haters everywhere.

no hate at all i really want the knicks to be a good team.. it's a great look for the nba but sheesh man you guys make it so hard

Ill21
07-10-2012, 12:00 AM
well maybe we're sick of hearing of how NY is FINALLY going to have a chance of winning

Listen, don't you notice how it's the same guys every time making these threads. Believe it or not, most of us a very logical fans that know we are not the greatest team since the 90's bulls. I

Ill21
07-10-2012, 12:02 AM
no hate at all i really want the knicks to be a good team.. it's a great look for the nba but sheesh man you guys make it so hard

There we go again, you guys. Its a very small % of people that are clueless Knicks fans that look to just start trouble.

Glen20
07-10-2012, 12:03 AM
Listen, don't you notice how it's the same guys every time making these threads. Believe it or not, most of us a very logical fans that know we are not the greatest team since the 90's bulls. I

the thing is, we are just saying what is truth
have the knicks actually made it out of the first round?
is melo really a top 5 player?
isn't stat overpaid?
is kidd really a gamechanger?

if we hear something that we know is wrong, we'll point it out

IIISSKiLL
07-10-2012, 12:04 AM
Haters everywhere.


There we go again, you guys. Its a very small % of people that are clueless Knicks fans that look to just start trouble.

im just responding to you saying "haters everywhere'

UnWantedTheory
07-10-2012, 12:09 AM
Let me start by saying I dont like nor dislike the Knicks. I simply see a team that is poorly constructed, & that added two 38-39 year old vets attempting to squeeze the last remains of basketball out of their bodies. Whether this team finishes 2nd or 8th they are not a true contender nor will they be anytime soon imo. They will probably be a good regular season team simply off of individual talent, but they are not a true contending basketball team. We will see it this season as we did the last. I actually hope we can see them achieve some modicum of success simply so we can stop seeing these "justification" threads that fall ridiculously short of reality. I am sorry to say NY fans, from an unbiased perspective, your ceiling isn't that high. Of course this is all my opinion. They could be hoisting a trophy next year, but I would bet my left nut against it.

Ill21
07-10-2012, 12:12 AM
the thing is, we are just saying what is truth
have the knicks actually made it out of the first round?
is melo really a top 5 player?
isn't stat overpaid?
is kidd really a gamechanger?

if we hear something that we know is wrong, we'll point it out

Listen all I am going to say is that we don't know anything until the season starts. And to answer your questions

No Carmelo is not a top 5 players. He is a fringe 10
Yes amare is overpaid but when healthy he still has the ability to be a top PF
Jason Kidd will show Lin the ropes and will hopefully help improve the knick pick and roll game. Amare thrives at the pick and roll

justinnum1
07-10-2012, 12:12 AM
pretty sure i know exactly who voted 1 seed :laugh2:

(full disclaimer: i voted 2-3 seed)

More-Than-Most
07-10-2012, 12:14 AM
I will say 7-8 seed but 4 seed or higher wouldnt surprise me considering how sad the East is... Indiana might lose Hibbert...The Hawks blew it up and Boston is older and lost Allen... The Magic will not have dwight and the sixers hopefully fall off the Planet and play for a lottery pick.... Besides the heat its wide open with mediocrity. If the Knicks were in the west they wouldnt make the playoffs.

Ill21
07-10-2012, 12:15 AM
pretty sure i know exactly who voted 1 seed :laugh2:

(full disclaimer: i voted 2-3 seed)

Yeah the 5 or so Knicks trolls prob voted for the One seed.

That belongs to the heat, without a doubt.

But I agree I don't see any reason why the Knicks couldn't be a two or three seed.

asap_simba
07-10-2012, 12:16 AM
Going to be like a 4 seed with around 50 wins. All depends on whether amare and melo can learn to co-exist

Ill21
07-10-2012, 12:16 AM
I will say 7-8 seed but 4 seed or higher wouldnt surprise me considering how sad the East is... Indiana might lose Hibbert...The Hawks blew it up and Boston is older and lost Allen... The Magic will not have dwight and the sixers hopefully fall off the Planet and play for a lottery pick.... Besides the heat its wide open with mediocrity. If the Knicks were in the west they wouldnt make the playoffs.

Name 8 western conference teams better than the Knicks.

THE MTL
07-10-2012, 12:17 AM
Knicks are top 4 team in the East and Top 10 team in the NBA! and those are not even bold statements

Ryan328
07-10-2012, 12:19 AM
Close to 50 wins

Miami
Boston
Brooklyn (w/ Howard)
Chicago
New York
Indiana
Philadelphia
Milwaukee

JoeyBoy718
07-10-2012, 12:19 AM
What are you talking about?
Your from ny then you should know that true ny knick fans have been
Loyal all these heartbreaking years and all we want is to see our team compete. And we have been more relevant now then we have been for more then 10 years.....

How does it annoy you that fans stay loyal to their team and hope for the best?????

Maybe you should check why you gettin so angry over people loving their home town team.

Nothing wrong with fan loyalty, but it doesn't warrant a thread in the main forum. The main forum is for NBA news and non-biased discussion. Yet somehow I've been called a troll and nearly banned tonight for simply pointing that out.

justinnum1
07-10-2012, 12:22 AM
Knicks are top 4 team in the East and Top 10 team in the NBA! and those are not even bold statements

They absolutely should be, but as we saw last year, anything can happen.

Knicks21
07-10-2012, 12:22 AM
I think 4 seed is realistic for them.

KnickaBocka.44
07-10-2012, 12:30 AM
People saying that the Knicks haven't improved dont realize how bad our backup pg and big men situations were last season

Oldmantrash
07-10-2012, 12:34 AM
Close to 50 wins

Miami
Boston
Brooklyn (w/ Howard)
Chicago
New York
Indiana
Philadelphia
Milwaukee

Celtics will be tough in the playoffs, but I seriously doubt their regular season record is good enough for a 2 seed. They are too old.

Bulls won't be four unless Rose comes back, he's the wild card, can change everything if he's healthy, but if he's not they are 5-8 seed.

Knicks should have the 3rd best record

Bigbadmoffo
07-10-2012, 12:40 AM
1. Heat- more talent
2. Nets- more talent
3. Celtics- familiarity and better-coached
4. Knicks

So I say more like 46-50 wins and the number 3 or 4 seed.

Pacers should be 4th nets 5th, Knicks 6th

IIISSKiLL
07-10-2012, 12:41 AM
i want to put the wizards in there for some odd reason

Nymfan87
07-10-2012, 12:41 AM
I say 3 or 4 seed, no lower than 5.

felixng2012
07-10-2012, 12:49 AM
3rd-4th seed most likely.

calibird707
07-10-2012, 12:52 AM
Why would you make this thread? While I'm sure some posters will give honest answers, most will just use it to take a dump on the Knicks.

I agree whole heartedly

justinnum1
07-10-2012, 12:53 AM
knicks just resigned smith 2.8mil

glorydays22
07-10-2012, 12:54 AM
1) Heat
2) Nets (IF they get Dwight)
3) Bulls - don't why everyone is forgeting them Rose will be back just fine
4) Celtics
5) Knicks
6) Pacers
7) Bucks
8) Atlanta

Ryan328
07-10-2012, 12:55 AM
Not bad glorydays, but I think Philly > Atl

noodle
07-10-2012, 12:56 AM
1) Heat
2) Nets (IF they get Dwight)
3) Bulls - don't why everyone is forgeting them Rose will be back just fine
4) Celtics
5) Knicks
6) Pacers
7) Bucks
8) Atlanta

Seriously? Seriously?

glorydays22
07-10-2012, 12:57 AM
Seriously? Seriously?

Seriously :clap:

glorydays22
07-10-2012, 01:05 AM
Not bad glorydays, but I think Philly > Atl

I thought about it..but until GM Ferry blows up team. They still have enough talent for the 8th spot with Horford, Smith, Teague and Harris is serviceable Point Guard. I'm surprised Philly hasn't made any moves this offseason.

jmoney85
07-10-2012, 01:06 AM
7 seed

Ryan328
07-10-2012, 01:07 AM
Yeah Philly just added Nick Young, but they should keep retooling. A legit 4 would be good

TylerSL
07-10-2012, 01:24 AM
I think they are the 4th best team in East as is, if Nets get Howard they are 5th.

Nets with Howard

1.Miami
2.Brooklyn
3.Boston
4.Chicago
5.New York
6.Indiana
7.Philladelphia
8.Atlanta

Nets without Howard

1.Miami
2.Boston
3.Chicago
4.New York
5.Brooklyn
6.Indiana
7.Philladelphia
8.Atlanta

bklynny67
07-10-2012, 01:29 AM
Seriously Knicks fans, stop overrating our team. I'm a die hard fan but very realistic. Many of you are not at all and it annoys even me.. some people saying the Knicks can get the number 2 or 3 seed?? Really?

We aren't much better. 39 yr old Kidd and 38 yr old Camby aren't going to give us many more wins. We probably finish 5th or 6th if the Nets get Dwight cuz we'd have no shot at winning the division. And we have NO SHOT at winning a title this year. End of story.

gotoHcarolina52
07-10-2012, 01:37 AM
1) Heat
2) Nets (w/douche)
3) Bulls (Thibs takes the reg season seriously)
4) Knicks
5) Celtics (health/rest > seeding)
6) Pacers
7) 76ers
8) Wizards

HouRealCoach
07-10-2012, 01:39 AM
Knicks finished 18-6 under Woodson and beat Boston, Chicago, Philly, Atl, & Indiana TWICE with injuries in most of games to Amare & Lin

Chandler & Camby are the best you can ask for with defense & rebounding

Woodson, Lin, & Kidd will make Amare & Melo work, they actually worked together damn good under Woodson last year and now with an offseason & a full training camp, preseason, traditional HOF PG it will only get better

They no longer have scrubs as part of the rotations... I say they will be at least a 4th seed EASILY

LA>WORLD___KOBE
07-10-2012, 01:39 AM
Knicks will never win a championship with Melo or broken amare

TylerSL
07-10-2012, 01:40 AM
Seriously Knicks fans, stop overrating our team. I'm a die hard fan but very realistic. Many of you are not at all and it annoys even me.. some people saying the Knicks can get the number 2 or 3 seed?? Really?

We aren't much better. 39 yr old Kidd and 38 yr old Camby aren't going to give us many more wins. We probably finish 5th or 6th if the Nets get Dwight cuz we'd have no shot at winning the division. And we have NO SHOT at winning a title this year. End of story.

maybe not, but deep 2nd round series isnt a stech. And that would be huge progress for you're team. I would be psyched about next season if I were a Knicks fan actually.

PG.Lin
SG.Shump
SF.Melo
PF.Amare
C.Chandler

Kidd
Smith
Novak
Camby

all off the bench. Thats not #1 in the East or anything, but Knicks are primed to have their best season in 13 years.

DJYankee
07-10-2012, 01:41 AM
Seriously Knicks fans, stop overrating our team. I'm a die hard fan but very realistic. Many of you are not at all and it annoys even me.. some people saying the Knicks can get the number 2 or 3 seed?? Really?

We aren't much better. 39 yr old Kidd and 38 yr old Camby aren't going to give us many more wins. We probably finish 5th or 6th if the Nets get Dwight cuz we'd have no shot at winning the division. And we have NO SHOT at winning a title this year. End of story.

You call yourself a fan?

nbrod
07-10-2012, 01:45 AM
Depends on a lot of things. How chicago plays without Rose the start of the season and what kind of player he is when he comes back. If the Nets get dwight and who really knows how boston will do. They could come out with chemistry and leadership or they could just look old. I have the Knicks anywhere from a 2 to a 5 seed

Glen20
07-10-2012, 01:49 AM
You call yourself a fan?

just because the truth isn't popular opinion, it does not make him a fake fan

bklynny67
07-10-2012, 01:49 AM
You call yourself a fan?

OK, so I'm not a real fan cuz I'm realistic? Should I be ******** like other people and say I really think the Knicks will finish in the 2nd seed and have a great shot at winning a title? Come on man..... they have no chance this yr... I'm excited about MAYBE winning a playoff series this yr, thats about all there's gonna be. :facepalm: for you thinking they're gonna be great and championship contenders, if u think that....

JasonJohnHorn
07-10-2012, 02:05 AM
They got a really good lookin' roster right now, and the got the right coach in charge. They should get on the phone with the Nets and Magic and see if they can pick up Brooks in that multi-team deal and then they'd be lookin' pretty fawking good.

But yeah... Lin starting and Kidd closing out the games, Camby backing up Chandler gives you solid defence and great rebounding for 48 minutes at the center spot. JR Smith resigned, Amare and Melo starting, it sounds like a great team on paper.

But they sounded pretty good on paper last year too ;-)

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-10-2012, 02:11 AM
I'm just sick of this double standard. Had Boston signed Kidd or BK signed Kidd, or Camby, people would be talkin about DAAAAMN they just got soo much better! 2 vets blah blah blah... but na, when the Knicks sign em, people underrate it. It's stupid and hella anoying some uh yall are so phony its sad. Do I think we'll win the title next season? No. Do I think we'll be 4, 5 or a 6 seed. More then likley

RonE Coleman
07-10-2012, 02:13 AM
They got a really good lookin' roster right now, and the got the right coach in charge. They should get on the phone with the Nets and Magic and see if they can pick up Brooks in that multi-team deal and then they'd be lookin' pretty fawking good.

But yeah... Lin starting and Kidd closing out the games, Camby backing up Chandler gives you solid defence and great rebounding for 48 minutes at the center spot. JR Smith resigned, Amare and Melo starting, it sounds like a great team on paper.

But they sounded pretty good on paper last year too ;-)

We also went in to last season with Mike Dantoni as our coach and Toney Douglas as our starting point guard. ;)

Now we have a players coach who actually preaches Defense and brought in guys like Kidd to teach Lin and Lead the team.

Depending on how the rest of free agency plays out I see no reason as to why the Knicks can't finish 2-4th. Remember the division winners are all guaranteed top 4 seeds.

NYKnicksAllDay
07-10-2012, 02:23 AM
Depending on how the bulls play without d rose, I'd say the ceiling is the 3rd seed, but realistically I think we finish somewhere 4-6.

_Supreme_
07-10-2012, 02:32 AM
I'm just sick of this double standard. Had Boston signed Kidd or BK signed Kidd, or Camby, people would be talkin about DAAAAMN they just got soo much better! 2 vets blah blah blah... but na, when the Knicks sign em, people underrate it.

They are obviously good players, but they also have very distinct limitations at this stage of their career. Especially Kidd showed last season that he lost a step or 2, 3... 4.

The thing is, age doesn't necessarily have to be that bad, but in this case, the way the Knicks bench currently looks, a lot (of minutes) will be asked of them, and that is not a good situation all things considered.

We'll see how it goes, but 4th or 5th seed probably is the most realistic projection.

MintBerryCrunch
07-10-2012, 02:34 AM
Knicks will be exactly what they were this year.

flatbush knicks
07-10-2012, 04:26 AM
knicks top 2 seed hands down and if shump wasn't out we'd be number 1 in defense and defense win games

flatbush knicks
07-10-2012, 04:29 AM
OK, so I'm not a real fan cuz I'm realistic? Should I be ******** like other people and say I really think the Knicks will finish in the 2nd seed and have a great shot at winning a title? Come on man..... they have no chance this yr... I'm excited about MAYBE winning a playoff series this yr, thats about all there's gonna be. :facepalm: for you thinking they're gonna be great and championship contenders, if u think that....

just jump on the nets bandwagon already:facepalm:

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 04:33 AM
Depends on Lin. If he cant get Melo and Amare to click. They are in big trouble.

flatbush knicks
07-10-2012, 04:37 AM
^that why i think kidd should start and lin should come off the bench if the great hof pg kidd can't make it work then it just can't work

BURAKOBE
07-10-2012, 04:40 AM
They just need to find a way to make Lin and Carmelo work together. If Melo can stay concentrated full year, the league better watch out. Some players in this league aren't where they are supposed to be just because of concentration problems. Carmelo and Bynum are perfect examples to this.

If Carmelo can play like the last 15-20 games of last year, Knicks can get top 3 seed in the east, and Melo can get MVP recognition (not MVP, just recognition).

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 04:42 AM
^that why i think kidd should start and lin should come off the bench if the great hof pg kidd can't make it work then it just can't work

At this stage in his career Kidd can't play more than 20 Minutes per game. He'd blow a tire quicker than Baron Davis. Knicks have to ride or die with Lin.

flatbush knicks
07-10-2012, 04:45 AM
At this stage in his career Kidd can't play more than 20 Minutes per game. He'd blow a tire quicker than Baron Davis. Knicks have to ride or die with Lin.


i never said he should play more then 20 mpg just start the game off to get stat some easy buckets lin still should still play the majority of the minutes just not the start or end of games

waveycrockett
07-10-2012, 04:51 AM
i never said he should play more then 20 mpg just start the game off to get stat some easy buckets lin still should still play the majority of the minutes just not the start or end of games
Maybe but then again maybe that hurts Lin's confidence. Lin needs to lead that team and gain Melo's respect. Not sure he can get that playing behind Kidd.

flatbush knicks
07-10-2012, 05:00 AM
Maybe but then again maybe that hurts Lin's confidence. Lin needs to lead that team and gain Melo's respect. Not sure he can get that playing behind Kidd.

who cares about his confidence i'm pretty sure that big contract he just signed will help subdue the pain we need to win now

DJYankee
07-10-2012, 09:32 AM
OK, so I'm not a real fan cuz I'm realistic? Should I be ******** like other people and say I really think the Knicks will finish in the 2nd seed and have a great shot at winning a title? Come on man..... they have no chance this yr... I'm excited about MAYBE winning a playoff series this yr, thats about all there's gonna be. :facepalm: for you thinking they're gonna be great and championship contenders, if u think that....

ROTFL!!! I wish I can quote this

DJYankee
07-10-2012, 09:33 AM
just because the truth isn't popular opinion, it does not make him a fake fan

He's just one of many Knicks fans...

DJYankee
07-10-2012, 09:34 AM
I'm just sick of this double standard. Had Boston signed Kidd or BK signed Kidd, or Camby, people would be talkin about DAAAAMN they just got soo much better! 2 vets blah blah blah... but na, when the Knicks sign em, people underrate it. It's stupid and hella anoying some uh yall are so phony its sad. Do I think we'll win the title next season? No. Do I think we'll be 4, 5 or a 6 seed. More then likley

This

Heatcheck
07-10-2012, 09:37 AM
1. Heat
2. Bulls (depends)
3. Pacers
4. Celtics
5. Knicks

I dont think two 40 yr olds who barely play half a game anymore will be that big of an impact, at least not as big as joe johnson and possibly Howard. so if Rose is out most of the year, and howard doesnt get traded, i see them 4th.

torocan
07-10-2012, 09:44 AM
1) Heat
2) Nets (IF they get Dwight)
3) Bulls - don't why everyone is forgeting them Rose will be back just fine
4) Celtics
5) Knicks
6) Pacers
7) Bucks
8) Atlanta

I'm not forgetting the Bulls, however I just don't think that Rose will be back to full form as quickly as people think. 8 month layoff coming off an ACL injury + surgery is not trivial.

And while the Bulls are very good without Rose, the Nets, Heat, Knicks and Celtics have all improved while the Bulls have not made any significant moves to improve this off season.

I don't expect the Bulls to win nearly as many regular season games without Rose as they did last year, though they should be very good when Rose is back. However, every regular season game counts in seeding, so the lack of Rose will hit the Chicago hard in terms of game won by the end of the season.

This could all change by the time FA is done of course.

Heat - 1 or 2 depending on if they slack near season end
Nets - 1 to 4 depending on how they gel (with Dwight), 2-5 without Dwight depending on how they gel
Knicks - 2 to 4 with a long shot at #1 if Heat are tanking
Celtics - 2 to 5 depending on injury/pacing
Bulls - 3 to 5 -- too many games without Rose

6-8 pretty much everyone else.

nycericanguy
07-10-2012, 09:45 AM
Kidd played 28mpg last year, 33mpg the prior year and 36mpg in the playoffs.

Where is this idea all of sudden coming from that now he can't even play 20mpg?...lol. Because he's a Knick now? I'm sure NY will cut his minutes because he's a year older, but he's not going to go from playing 30mpg the past 2 years to playing 15mpg now. He can still give NY 20-27mpg. And come playoff time I expect him to play over 30.

the past 2 years in the playoffs he's played 37mpg. and put up 12 ppg 6rpg 6apg 3spg against OKC last year. He has alot left.

ATX
07-10-2012, 09:48 AM
knicks top 2 seed hands down and if shump wasn't out we'd be number 1 in defense and defense win games

Ya, Okay...

HouRealCoach
07-10-2012, 09:56 AM
Without Dwight I think Nets will be a 6-8 seed...

nycsports2
07-10-2012, 09:59 AM
i picked 50 wins i think theyll have a pretty good reg season and go 2 eastern conf finals. well see what happens from there though

Slimsim
07-10-2012, 10:06 AM
5th seed seems logical

Kerv_the_Knick
07-10-2012, 10:06 AM
On paper, they look like the 2nd-3rd, but in the NBA, ANYTHING can happen. So we really would just have to wait and see how the season will pan out.