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JoeyBoy718
07-06-2012, 11:21 AM
1. John Stockton- led the league in assists 9 straight years with totals of 14.5, 14.2, 13.8, 13.7, 13.6, 12.6, 12.3, 12.0 and 11.2 APG.

2. Magic Johnson- led the league in assists 4 years (in a 5 year span) with totals of 13.1, 12.6, 12.2 and 10.5 APG.

3. Steve Nash- led the league in assists 5 years (in a 7 year span) with totals of 11.6, 11.5, 11.4, 11.0 and 10.5 APG.

4. Oscar Robertson- led the league in assists 6 years (in a 9 year span) with totals of 11.5, 11.4, 11.1, 11.0, 9.8 and 9.7 APG.

5. Jason Kidd- led the league in assists 5 years (in a 6 year span) with totals of 10.8, 10.1, 9.8, 9.2 and 8.9 APG.

Honorable Mention: Bob Cousy- led the league in assists 8 straight years with totals of 9.5, 8.9, 8.6, 7.8, 7.7, 7.5, 7.2 and 7.1 APG.

metsrock229
07-06-2012, 11:22 AM
Assists wouldn't be a direct indicator of the best passer

Im_in_Mia_bish
07-06-2012, 11:22 AM
1-3. definately.

JoeyBoy718
07-06-2012, 11:24 AM
Assists wouldn't be a direct indicator of the best passer

This is just my opinion and the evidence I used to support it. Feel free to make your own list with your own evidence.

raiderfaninTX
07-06-2012, 11:25 AM
lebron james will be top 5 when hes done

JoeyBoy718
07-06-2012, 11:28 AM
lebron james will be top 5 when hes done

Maybe best passing SF, but he's only averaged more than 8 APG once.

StarvingKnick22
07-06-2012, 11:39 AM
Jason Kidd is second in all time assist and Steve Nash is like at 8 on the career list. JKidd should be 3. Not sayin this as a knick fan. I'm sayin this as a fan of stats

JoeyBoy718
07-06-2012, 11:44 AM
Jason Kidd is second in all time assist and Steve Nash is like at 8 on the career list. JKidd should be 3. Not sayin this as a knick fan. I'm sayin this as a fan of stats

Jason Kidd only averaged more than 10 assists 3 times in an 18 year career and never averaged more than 11. You probably also think Emmitt Smith is better than Barry Sanders.

MadBomber
07-06-2012, 12:00 PM
i love me some magic, but stockton was great as well even though he wasn't as flashy as magic.

GrumpyOldMan
07-06-2012, 12:10 PM
The 5 guys with the highest assists per game played numbers are all pretty good in my opinion.
1. Magic Johnson 11.19
2. John Stockton 10.51
3. Chris Paul 9.84
4. Oscar Robertson 9.51
5. Isiah Thomas 9.26
I'm not saying this is the best measurement for who is the best passer, but all 5 of these guys were great ones.

llemon
07-06-2012, 12:15 PM
Not talking assists, talking pure passing ability, I think these are the top 3 that I've seen in no particular order.

Kidd, Nash & Magic Johnson.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
07-06-2012, 12:24 PM
OP's list is garbage if those assist numbers are not adjusted.

KB-Pau-DH2012
07-06-2012, 12:43 PM
Pistol Pete ??

GiantsSwaGG
07-06-2012, 12:44 PM
Kobe??

llemon
07-06-2012, 12:48 PM
Pistol Pete ??

Maravich had a unique passing ability that no other player was nearly as good at.

Pete could pass the ball off of any part of his dribble.

Made for some of the most incredible looking passes you'd ever seen.

Also led to an unbelievable amount of TOs.

njnets
07-06-2012, 01:31 PM
Assists are a good way to look at this but not great. The teammate can miss open shots and/or drop a good pass. Basically this is an opinionated subject.

It's tough to pick "the" best but a list of about 10 guys would be a lot easier to construct that just picking one.

StarvingKnick22
07-06-2012, 01:35 PM
Jason Kidd only averaged more than 10 assists 3 times in an 18 year career and never averaged more than 11. You probably also think Emmitt Smith is better than Barry Sanders.

how many times has Nash led his team to the finals?!! Plus Kidd is second is in all time assists. That might be what Nash averaged but averages is nothing compared to final overall stats

cubfan23
07-06-2012, 01:36 PM
Maravich had a unique passing ability that no other player was nearly as good at.

Pete could pass the ball off of any part of his dribble.

Made for some of the most incredible looking passes you'd ever seen.

Also led to an unbelievable amount of TOs.

If its best passer then yes Pistol Pete and you mentioned the reasons why...so what about the turnovers, its the players faults because they should have been ready for anything and everything haha

JoeyBoy718
07-06-2012, 01:54 PM
how many times has Nash led his team to the finals?!! Plus Kidd is second is in all time assists. That might be what Nash averaged but averages is nothing compared to final overall stats

Well, Kidd was a much better player than Nash. Kidd was also much more consistent than Nash over a longer period of time. But when they were both at their peaks, Nash was a better passer.

Oldmantrash
07-06-2012, 02:01 PM
Best Passer I ever saw was Magic, and # 2 IMO was Mark Jackson.

He's not as good an all around player as the other guys, but he had amazing vision.

smith&wesson
07-06-2012, 02:14 PM
Stockton

llemon
07-06-2012, 02:15 PM
how many times has Nash led his team to the finals?!! Plus Kidd is second is in all time assists. That might be what Nash averaged but averages is nothing compared to final overall stats

Up until his 2nd stint in Dallas, every team Kidd played on was Kidd's team.

When Nash was in Dallas, it was Dirk's and Don Nelson's team.

The two years Kidd lead the Nets to the Finals, Nash's Mavs had much better records in a much tougher Conf than the Nets

llemon
07-06-2012, 02:16 PM
Stockton

Stockton might been the best player out of all of them, but not the best passer.

TylerSL
07-06-2012, 02:30 PM
Kobe??

you actually have to pass to earn that reputation :laugh2:

joeystats
07-06-2012, 02:31 PM
Magic & Kidd

joeystats
07-06-2012, 02:32 PM
Stockton might been the best player out of all of them, but not the best passer.

Better player than Magic???

heyman321
07-06-2012, 02:38 PM
Where's Fields??

xILLN355
07-06-2012, 02:43 PM
westbrook for best passing pg!!

llemon
07-06-2012, 02:45 PM
Better player than Magic???

I think it is a debatable question.

dh144498
07-06-2012, 02:50 PM
just my opinion, assists don't directly attribute to great passing abilities. The other way around, yes. Having lots of assists simply means the person passed alot. If you want to compare skills (in this case passing abilities), you definitely need to watch games and not use stat lines.

As for the list, it's roughly ok. I personally would have Magic as number 1.

Toastyy
07-06-2012, 03:06 PM
Magic

King41
07-06-2012, 03:11 PM
i think its not complete about the stats how much *** someone has made its the way and the style and control that a passer brings to a team

b@llhog24
07-06-2012, 03:16 PM
lebron james will be top 5 when hes done

Lmao.

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/423/untitle.JPG


Jason Kidd is second in all time assist and Steve Nash is like at 8 on the career list. JKidd should be 3. Not sayin this as a knick fan. I'm sayin this as a fan of stats

If your were the Nash would've been your answer.


Jason Kidd only averaged more than 10 assists 3 times in an 18 year career and never averaged more than 11. You probably also think Emmitt Smith is better than Barry Sanders.

Well you did leave Mark Jackson off of your list. :pity:


how many times has Nash led his team to the finals?!! Plus Kidd is second is in all time assists. That might be what Nash averaged but averages is nothing compared to final overall stats

:laugh2:

lakers4sho
07-06-2012, 04:05 PM
at least half of magic's passes would not even be attempted in today's game

llemon
07-06-2012, 04:10 PM
at least half of magic's passes would not even be attempted in today's game

And Kidd's and Nash's passes?

And more importantly, Maravich's pases?

MackShock
07-06-2012, 04:14 PM
Pistol Pete and it aint even close. Hands down the most gifted passer. Yes, it lead to many TO's, but he was certainly nifty

llemon
07-06-2012, 04:24 PM
Pistol Pete and it aint even close. Hands down the most gifted passer. Yes, it lead to many TO's, but he was certainly nifty

Certainly the most fancy passer. But the TOs do matter.

bearadonisdna
07-06-2012, 04:38 PM
Stockton is not getting enough love.

Stockton has 7 1,000 assist seasons.
Magic zero 1.000 assist seasons
Isiah Thomas one 1,000 assist season.
And thats pretty much it for 1000 assist seasons

MackShock
07-06-2012, 04:38 PM
Certainly the most fancy passer. But the TOs do matter.

Yea, they do matter..but if youre talking about most fancy passer, then yes, Pete...not counting TO's.

To's considered...Stockton or Mark Jackson

bearadonisdna
07-06-2012, 04:41 PM
^To me.

This make Stockton the most prolific passer the NBA has ever seen.

And by far.

To get 7 1,000 assist seasons and other HOF passers can onlu muster 1 combined. I think that speaks for itself.

G2G right now, but look forward to any replies.

JoeyBoy718
07-06-2012, 04:51 PM
The only reason Magic has a higher career APG than Stockton is because Stockton came off the bench his first 3 seasons and he played into the twilight of his career. Magic started from day 1 and he retired in his prime.

joseph aka Jman
07-06-2012, 04:59 PM
Kobe??

you and me both :hi5:

llemon
07-06-2012, 05:17 PM
Just a fact. Jabari Smith threw some incredibly fancy passes.

StarvingKnick22
07-06-2012, 06:22 PM
Better player than Magic???
this is what pisses me off if there was no "Showtime" and he didnt make all of those crazy-looking passes you wouldnt be saying that. he is second on this list for a reason

StarvingKnick22
07-06-2012, 06:25 PM
Up until his 2nd stint in Dallas, every team Kidd played on was Kidd's team.

When Nash was in Dallas, it was Dirk's and Don Nelson's team.

The two years Kidd lead the Nets to the Finals, Nash's Mavs had much better records in a much tougher Conf than the Nets
Kidd was aleader. Nash was secon capt. roll until his MVP seasons. he couldnt do it without shawn marion/Dirk/Dragic/Amare.

khaleesi
07-06-2012, 06:26 PM
Larry, Pistol, Isaiah, Magic, Sabonis

YoungOne
07-06-2012, 06:32 PM
rondo will be there in the future :)

Lake_Show2416
07-06-2012, 07:14 PM
Stockton, Magic & Nash

TrueFan420
07-06-2012, 07:52 PM
Not talking assists, talking pure passing ability, I think these are the top 3 that I've seen in no particular order.

Kidd, Nash & Magic Johnson.

Stockton was the best passer in every sense of the word

llemon
07-06-2012, 07:57 PM
Kidd was aleader. Nash was secon capt. roll until his MVP seasons. he couldnt do it without shawn marion/Dirk/Dragic/Amare.

Have to ask. Are you **** ing kidding (no pun intended) me?

My point was that Dirk was assigned to be the man by Nelson, which is why I mentioned Nelson's name.

And I will further assume that you are saying that Nash isn't a leader?

Pal, you can sell that on the Knicks board (of course, had Nash signed with Knicks and Kidd with Lakers, your story would be very different).

nyKnicks126
07-06-2012, 07:58 PM
RICKY RUBIO :D hahaha just kidding.. John Stockton it is..

But Rubio is good, man.

nyKnicks126
07-06-2012, 07:58 PM
rondo will be there in the future :)

Rondo is great too.

tnewkirk
07-06-2012, 08:00 PM
magic kidd nash in no order.

bagwell368
07-06-2012, 08:02 PM
Pistol Pete ??

??? No. overrated shooter, dribbler and passer (his best skill perhaps - but still way overrated) - in fact one of the 5 most overrated players in history. Please.

Larry Bird anyone? Walton? Bill Russell - after Cousy retired?

assists are a bogus stat for this w/o putting them in perspective by USG, and AST%

llemon
07-06-2012, 08:32 PM
??? No. overrated shooter, dribbler and passer (his best skill perhaps - but still way overrated) - in fact one of the 5 most overrated players in history. Please.

Larry Bird anyone? Walton? Bill Russell - after Cousy retired?

assists are a bogus stat for this w/o putting them in perspective by USG, and AST%

The thread is about the best passers.

Bird, Walton were great passers. Russell very good. Wilt was a better passer than Russell.

Not saying Maravich was the best passer ever, but Pete made passes that none of those four could ever dream about.

HallofFameKidd
07-06-2012, 08:52 PM
Jason Williams aka White Chocolate has to be in this discussion. He may not be top 5 or anything, but he could dish the rock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=474Devg2XZY

bearadonisdna
07-07-2012, 12:28 AM
Stockton was the best passer in every sense of the word

I agree with this.

:cool:

PrettyBoyJ
07-07-2012, 12:49 AM
this is what pisses me off if there was no "Showtime" and he didnt make all of those crazy-looking passes you wouldnt be saying that. he is second on this list for a reason

He's second on the list because he only played 13 seasons and retired in his prime and made an attempt to come back in 95'.. Lets not forget Stockton Played 19 seasons... And by that logic of "If there was no showtime" could apply for Stockton "if he didn't have Malone finishing on the pick and roll"

ohreally
07-07-2012, 01:36 AM
Not talking assists, talking pure passing ability, I think these are the top 3 that I've seen in no particular order.

Kidd, Nash & Magic Johnson.

Wes Unseld. But I mean, how do you judge a passer then? It's like saying Allan Houston is the best shooter of all time because he had near perfect form, but if he was really the best shooter he would have had to score way better than he did.

And if you're just talking passing ability, Rondo , to me , is better than Nash or Kidd. If you're talking delivering soft passes on the needle, maybe Stockton, but probably some guys none of us remember.

BoSox47
07-07-2012, 01:50 AM
Rondo when he is all said in done will be somewhere in this discussion. Guy has great vision and huge hands

Gritz
07-07-2012, 02:24 AM
the players from And 1

Losoway
07-07-2012, 02:28 AM
this one is easy

Kobe ...to himself

StarvingKnick22
07-07-2012, 11:13 AM
Have to ask. Are you **** ing kidding (no pun intended) me?

My point was that Dirk was assigned to be the man by Nelson, which is why I mentioned Nelson's name.

And I will further assume that you are saying that Nash isn't a leader?

Pal, you can sell that on the Knicks board (of course, had Nash signed with Knicks and Kidd with Lakers, your story would be very different).
buddy, i was one of the MANY New Yorkers that wanted Nash to go somewhere besides Knicks because we want to keep Iman Shumpert. and please go here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_career_*** ists_leaders
you can clearly see Kidd is better than Nash, ans Stockton is the Best ever. they made passes from half-court and nash usually walked in the paint to pass.

StarvingKnick22
07-07-2012, 11:18 AM
He's second on the list because he only played 13 seasons and retired in his prime and made an attempt to come back in 95'.. Lets not forget Stockton Played 19 seasons... And by that logic of "If there was no showtime" could apply for Stockton "if he didn't have Malone finishing on the pick and roll" when Malone left to Lakers, Stockton, the GOAT of passing in the history of basketball, still averaged 9.0 assist which is like 3 less assists than when he had Malone. face it if you have seen what stockton did, you would be amazed

phoenix_bladen
07-07-2012, 11:25 AM
Jason Williams? If ur talking about ability

He could pass....

Although a turnover Machine and a bit too reckless at times when he was on the kings

Chronz
07-07-2012, 11:49 AM
Pistol Pete ??
Dude whats up with you? You still drunk?

Chronz
07-07-2012, 11:50 AM
Maravich had a unique passing ability that no other player was nearly as good at.

Pete could pass the ball off of any part of his dribble.

Made for some of the most incredible looking passes you'd ever seen.

Also led to an unbelievable amount of TOs.

If its best passer then yes Pistol Pete and you mentioned the reasons why...so what about the turnovers, its the players faults because they should have been ready for anything and everything haha
Not when the passer is this turnover prone and doesn't generate many assists

Chronz
07-07-2012, 11:56 AM
??? No. overrated shooter, dribbler and passer (his best skill perhaps - but still way overrated) - in fact one of the 5 most overrated players in history. Please.

Larry Bird anyone? Walton? Bill Russell - after Cousy retired?

assists are a bogus stat for this w/o putting them in perspective by USG, and AST%

The thread is about the best passers.

Bird, Walton were great passers. Russell very good. Wilt was a better passer than Russell.

Not saying Maravich was the best passer ever, but Pete made passes that none of those four could ever dream about.
That makes him an unnecessary risk taker in my book. Great passers know the limitations of their teammates and the efficiency of their passes.

If you want to go by flash then why not throw white chocolate in there and Marbury while we're at it.

llemon
07-07-2012, 12:12 PM
That makes him an unnecessary risk taker in my book. Great passers know the limitations of their teammates and the efficiency of their passes.

If you want to go by flash then why not throw white chocolate in there and Marbury while we're at it.

You can put Marbury there if you want (although I don't know why you would).

Jason Williams could throw some spectacular passes, but couldn't touch Pete in that talent.

Chronz
07-07-2012, 12:25 PM
That makes him an unnecessary risk taker in my book. Great passers know the limitations of their teammates and the efficiency of their passes.

If you want to go by flash then why not throw white chocolate in there and Marbury while we're at it.

You can put Marbury there if you want (although I don't know why you would).

Jason Williams could throw some spectacular passes, but couldn't touch Pete in that talent.
JWills elbow pass and Starburys 360 bounce pass own him

JayAllDay
07-07-2012, 12:45 PM
Players with the most I can't believe that just happened passes to me are...

1. Jason Williams (Sacramento, Memphis)
2. Rod Strickland (Washington days)
3. Magic Johnson (That one hand cradle is just nuts)

Just my opinion. Don't flame

GottaLoveCubs
07-07-2012, 01:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mwzy99Ybgo

Reading this thread and was surprised no one mentioned Jason Williams till the 4th page. Was one of the best passers I can remember.

llemon
07-07-2012, 02:07 PM
Players with the most I can't believe that just happened passes to me are...

1. Jason Williams (Sacramento, Memphis)
2. Rod Strickland (Washington days)
3. Magic Johnson (That one hand cradle is just nuts)

Just my opinion. Don't flame

I thought about Strickland. He could drive and dish.

nicegoing
07-07-2012, 02:10 PM
how many times has Nash led his team to the finals?!! Plus Kidd is second is in all time assists. That might be what Nash averaged but averages is nothing compared to final overall stats
Of course Kidd's final overall stats will be better he's been playing for like 18 years. You said you were a fan of stats too, and then use times Kidd got to the Finals to say he is a better passer?

nicegoing
07-07-2012, 02:15 PM
when Malone left to Lakers, Stockton, the GOAT of passing in the history of basketball, still averaged 9.0 assist which is like 3 less assists than when he had Malone. face it if you have seen what stockton did, you would be amazed

And Nash still averaged 11 assists after Amare, Marion, etc left the team and Gortat was his best passing option.

WillisLovechild
07-07-2012, 02:35 PM
lebron james will be top 5 when hes done

He is the best all-time if you only look at the fourth quarter :D.

Losoway
07-07-2012, 02:42 PM
kobe to the backboard?

BostonCs
07-07-2012, 02:52 PM
Bob Cousy's passing changed what a pg is, and does, in fact changed the whole game... none of the players you are speaking of would be who they are if it were not for Bob Cousy.

ewmania
07-07-2012, 02:55 PM
oh hes a knick now so hes 5 lol, typical... kidd is hands down the 3rd best passer in NBA history under stock and magic... then isaih in my opinion than mark jackson

StarvingKnick22
07-07-2012, 03:04 PM
And Nash still averaged 11 assists after Amare, Marion, etc left the team and Gortat was his best passing option.
im not talking about Stockton vs Nash because Stockton wins that one by a long shot.

StarvingKnick22
07-07-2012, 03:06 PM
Of course Kidd's final overall stats will be better he's been playing for like 18 years. You said you were a fan of stats too, and then use times Kidd got to the Finals to say he is a better passer?
its sad that you dont know Kidd is like 1-2 years older than Nash

JoeyBoy718
07-07-2012, 03:19 PM
Bob Cousy's passing changed what a pg is, and does, in fact changed the whole game... none of the players you are speaking of would be who they are if it were not for Bob Cousy.

Definitely. I mentioned him in the OP. He was the first truly great NBA point guard. Led the league in assists 8 straight years and was on the original dynasty alongside Russell.

JoeyBoy718
07-07-2012, 03:22 PM
its sad that you dont know Kidd is like 1-2 years older than Nash

I don't know whether it's a knock on Nash or Dirk, but Nash never really became a superstar PG until he left Dallas. He was always a very solid PG, 7-8 assists per game, but never truly blossomed until he left Dirk. We might see the same thing when he joins Kobe. He never averaged over 10 APG when the offense didn't run through him. Kidd, on the other hand, wasn't as good a passer as Nash in his best years, but was always the leader of the team and stayed consistent for 18 years.

Fmaranesi
07-07-2012, 03:36 PM
To name someone different, I know he's not one of the best assist men of all time but on passing ability alone...Jason Williams was a wonder to watch early in his career.

StarvingKnick22
07-07-2012, 03:48 PM
I don't know whether it's a knock on Nash or Dirk, but Nash never really became a superstar PG until he left Dallas. He was always a very solid PG, 7-8 assists per game, but never truly blossomed until he left Dirk. We might see the same thing when he joins Kobe. He never averaged over 10 APG when the offense didn't run through him. Kidd, on the other hand, wasn't as good a passer as Nash in his best years, but was always the leader of the team and stayed consistent for 18 years.
have you been watching basketball? if Jason Kidd is second in all time assist i think that means that he was the better passer unless Nash can break that record in less than 2 years.

Cfrey
07-07-2012, 03:51 PM
best passer I've ever seen was mark madsen.. man if you wanted it anywhere he puts it spot on

llemon
07-07-2012, 03:58 PM
have you been watching basketball? if Jason Kidd is second in all time assist i think that means that he was the better passer unless Nash can break that record in less than 2 years.

Thread is about best passers, not players with most assists.

StarvingKnick22
07-07-2012, 04:07 PM
Thread is about best passers, not players with most assists.
but the creator of the thread propably said it professionally as "passing." If he meant Passing, then where is the Manning brothers, Aaron Rodgers, or Dan Marino?

llemon
07-07-2012, 04:19 PM
but the creator of the thread propably said it professionally as "passing." If he meant Passing, then where is the Manning brothers, Aaron Rodgers, or Dan Marino?

'Propably' in the NFL forum.

JoeyBoy718
07-07-2012, 04:36 PM
have you been watching basketball? if Jason Kidd is second in all time assist i think that means that he was the better passer unless Nash can break that record in less than 2 years.

I wasn't disagreeing with you that Kidd had a better career as a passer than Nash. I was saying when they were both at their peaks, Kidd was the better player but Nash was the better passer. The reason Kidd has more career totals (besides the fact that he played a few more years) is because Nash didn't become an elite passer until his 9th season in the NBA. He played a few minutes off the bench his first 2 years in Phoenix, then he started for 6 years in Dallas but only averaged about 7 assists per game. So overall, Kidd had the better career as a passer, but since Nash left Dallas, these past 8 years, few NBA players have ever been as good a passer as Nash.

TheNumber37
07-07-2012, 05:12 PM
I think Steve Nash, might be the best passer of all time. He has come up with impossible assists and is on of the best left handed passers I have seen. He can push in transition and run the pick and roll.

StarvingKnick22
07-07-2012, 05:22 PM
I wasn't disagreeing with you that Kidd had a better career as a passer than Nash. I was saying when they were both at their peaks, Kidd was the better player but Nash was the better passer. The reason Kidd has more career totals (besides the fact that he played a few more years) is because Nash didn't become an elite passer until his 9th season in the NBA. He played a few minutes off the bench his first 2 years in Phoenix, then he started for 6 years in Dallas but only averaged about 7 assists per game. So overall, Kidd had the better career as a passer, but since Nash left Dallas, these past 8 years, few NBA players have ever been as good a passer as Nash.

Finally, someone with common knowledge. :clap: this is the compromise people!

b@llhog24
07-07-2012, 06:53 PM
He is the best all-time if you only look at the fourth quarter :D.

:laugh2:


kobe to the backboard?

:cricket:


'Propably' in the NFL forum.

:burn:

b@llhog24
07-07-2012, 06:53 PM
Anyways give me Cp3.

Santana4Prez'08
07-07-2012, 07:06 PM
rubio<3 ;]

YashBoone
07-07-2012, 08:39 PM
Michael Jordan
Kobe Bryant
Carmelo Anthony
Zach Randolph
Shaquille oneil

Battle me!!!!!

YashBoone
07-07-2012, 08:42 PM
have you been watching basketball? if Jason Kidd is second in all time assist i think that means that he was the better passer unless Nash can break that record in less than 2 years.

I wasn't disagreeing with you that Kidd had a better career as a passer than Nash. I was saying when they were both at their peaks, Kidd was the better player but Nash was the better passer. The reason Kidd has more career totals (besides the fact that he played a few more years) is because Nash didn't become an elite passer until his 9th season in the NBA. He played a few minutes off the bench his first 2 years in Phoenix, then he started for 6 years in Dallas but only averaged about 7 assists per game. So overall, Kidd had the better career as a passer, but since Nash left Dallas, these past 8 years, few NBA players have ever been as good a passer as Nash.

Soooooo Nash deserves a pass ( no pun intended) because he sucked it up his first few years?

llemon
07-07-2012, 08:57 PM
Soooooo Nash deserves a pass ( no pun intended) because he sucked it up his first few years?

Nash doesn't need a pass. He still has a few passes yet.

R. Johnson#3
07-07-2012, 10:20 PM
No Pistol Pete? No good!