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waveycrockett
07-05-2012, 10:12 PM
Updates coming




Stefan Bondy ‏@
Got an email from Mark Cuban warning Prokhorov and other owners about the new CBA --- will share later



Stefan Bondy ‏@
Cuban: "If they spend on bad contracts, particularly contracts signed under old cba, then it doesn't matter how much u spend. .


You are locked in to only being able to improve your team using the tax payers exception. That puts you at a disadvantage

https://twitter.com/NYDNInterNets/status/221063164790439936

https://twitter.com/NYDNInterNets/status/221063164790439936
more updates coming

justinnum1
07-05-2012, 10:13 PM
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jmoney85
07-05-2012, 10:13 PM
Stefan Bondy ‏@NYDNInterNets
Got an email from Mark Cuban warning Prokhorov and other owners about the new CBA --- will share later

Stefan Bondy ‏@NYDNInterNets
Cuban: "If they spend on bad contracts, particularly contracts signed under old cba, then it doesn't matter how much u spend. ..".

Stefan Bondy ‏@NYDNInterNets
More Cuban: You are locked in to only being able to improve your team using the tax payers exception. That puts you at a di

Stefan Bondy ‏@NYDNInterNets
"that puts you at a distinct disadvantage."





sounds like someone is butthurt that nobody wants to play in dallas lol

310Casper
07-05-2012, 10:14 PM
It was only a matter of time before the Marc Cuban waterworks came streaming out lol

nicegoing
07-05-2012, 10:14 PM
I honestly don't give a **** about the owners.

Cfrey
07-05-2012, 10:15 PM
or it sounds like mark cuban is smarter than every other owner in the league

waveycrockett
07-05-2012, 10:15 PM
I love it

netsgiantsyanks
07-05-2012, 10:15 PM
already a thread.

Sixerlover
07-05-2012, 10:15 PM
Butthurt, OR he's warning people not to sign Asik to a deal where he makes 15 mil the last year or Jeff Green to a 4 year, 10 mil per deal. There have been some TOXIC contracts signed this offseason. Why did we even have a lockout again?

Pakman
07-05-2012, 10:18 PM
Do the LT dance

The goods
07-05-2012, 10:18 PM
Yeah they should make a dumbass move like letting go of all their championship pieces on a dumb gamble.

raiderfaninTX
07-05-2012, 10:18 PM
i cant stand a hater. u lose dwill kidd lin nash and even ramon sessions trash *** don't want to go to texas and you complain

that russian nicca got billions and mad *****es you think he give a **** bout some tax?

what is this ?

jmoney85
07-05-2012, 10:18 PM
im pretty sure the owners know what they are getting themselves into... they pay people a lot of money to run these teams

JNA17
07-05-2012, 10:19 PM
Probably mad at the fact that they lost Chandler, Barea, West, Terry, Kidd, Butler, and other championship core players and lost out on Deron Williams, Steve Nash and Dwight Howard.

Why is this guy loved in Dallas again?

C-Style
07-05-2012, 10:20 PM
Owners haven't learned ****, they still paying these players too much money for their services.

Swashcuff
07-05-2012, 10:21 PM
Butthurt, OR he's warning people not to sign Asik to a deal where he makes 15 mil the last year or Jeff Green to a 4 year, 10 mil per deal. There have been some TOXIC contracts signed this offseason. Why did we even have a lockout again?

IMO it gets worse and worse every year but in years past teams overpaid for size more than anything this season that really doesn't seem to be the case whether a player is big or not he's being grossly overpaid. Its atrocious in all honesty.

zB_#85
07-05-2012, 10:21 PM
I'm gonna go with bitter. Why the **** would he care about other teams screwing themselves.

justinnum1
07-05-2012, 10:22 PM
russian 1 cuban 0

nicegoing
07-05-2012, 10:22 PM
Probably mad at the fact that they lost Chandler, Barea, West, Terry, Kidd, Butler, and other championship core players and lost out on Deron Williams, Steve Nash and Dwight Howard.

Why is this guy loved in Dallas again?

Because he helped create a championship team? They are in the playoffs like every single year? Win 50 games like every season?

Those are probably reasons why he's loved.

MTL_123
07-05-2012, 10:23 PM
ahhahahahhahahahah

Badluck33
07-05-2012, 10:23 PM
he is right. The smart teams aren't the ones going crazy with spending...

EastNYLos
07-05-2012, 10:24 PM
Who cares whats happens the owners have plenty of money..cuban sounds butthurt

THE MTL
07-05-2012, 10:24 PM
But wasnt Cuban prepared to give Deron Williams 4yr 75mil contract? Wasn't Cuban trying to get Dwight Howard to come too?

beasted86
07-05-2012, 10:25 PM
Butthurt, OR he's warning people not to sign Asik to a deal where he makes 15 mil the last year or Jeff Green to a 4 year, 10 mil per deal. There have been some TOXIC contracts signed this offseason. Why did we even have a lockout again?

In 7 years when the NBA has an opt out of the new CBA they will say they are losing money again.

Sixerlover
07-05-2012, 10:25 PM
IMO it gets worse and worse every year but in years past teams overpaid for size more than anything this season that really doesn't seem to be the case whether a player is big or not he's being grossly overpaid. Its atrocious in all honesty.

Agreed. Max for Hibbert, 58 mil for Gordon, Dragic's deal, 20 mil for Landry Fields it's bad out there right now.

netsgiantsyanks
07-05-2012, 10:25 PM
i cant stand a hater. u lose dwill kidd lin nash and even ramon sessions trash *** don't want to go to texas and you complain

that russian nicca got billions and mad *****es you think he give a **** bout some tax?

is that you regina king i mean riley?

Weezy
07-05-2012, 10:25 PM
do the LT????

AddiX
07-05-2012, 10:26 PM
Eventually the big market power players in the NBA Will find ways to make changes in the cba, and the NBA players union will be to happy toilet it happen because it will mean more $ is available for spending for athletes.

It really is amazing the $ being thrown around this year eVen w the new restrictions. Small market teams are now bloating players contracts completely out of whack.

MickeyMgl
07-05-2012, 10:28 PM
He sounds smart, not butthurt. The owners giving out these asinine contracts are the first ones who are going to demand a lockout a few years from now, demanding that the players pay the consequences.

JNA17
07-05-2012, 10:29 PM
I'm gonna go with bitter. Why the **** would he care about other teams screwing themselves.

Great point. If he really feels that the other owners are screwing themselves with the recent contracts, then why would he warn them? He should be overjoyed because of it.

MarK is a cry baby, always have and always will. Gambled money like it was no tomorrow, gave up and didn't keep his championship core together (Chandler, Kidd, Butler, Terry, Barea, etc), makes a move for Odom that completely backfired on him and now that deal turned into the Lakers getting Steve Nash (a player the Mavs wanted as well), also lost out on Deron and Dwight Howard.

And now, it seems Dirk might want to leave now, and no free agent is stupid enough to want to go to freaking Texas. He did what he pretty much what he has always done in his life, gamble. He gambled money and lost a lot of it, and now he gambled with his team, and its going to blow up right on his face.

shep33
07-05-2012, 10:30 PM
Yeah, I get what he's saying. Some of these contracts are mind-boggling

Knowledge
07-05-2012, 10:30 PM
But wasnt Cuban prepared to give Deron Williams 4yr 75mil contract? Wasn't Cuban trying to get Dwight Howard to come too?

Both are good players who deserve the money. Some teams are out their signing average players to big paydays without a conscience. Howard and Williams will make up any money you invest in them, Landry Fields and some of these other guys who signed deals this year won't.

justinnum1
07-05-2012, 10:31 PM
you aint no pat riley

yanksrock
07-05-2012, 10:31 PM
what is this ?

Yeah what is this?

nicegoing
07-05-2012, 10:32 PM
Two threads on this on the main page that have gone to two pages each :laugh2:

Tymathee
07-05-2012, 10:37 PM
lmao awww poor Cuban!

freakin Jerk, Karma is a biiiiiiiiiich huh

Tymathee
07-05-2012, 10:38 PM
they obviously dont care Cuban...he's going to ruin his team.

mcapo21
07-05-2012, 10:38 PM
im guessing he wont be helping the knicks with a jkidd sign and trade...

beerman28
07-05-2012, 10:39 PM
Yea what do u mean butt hurt.. Hes right.. And he probably is smarter than all the other owners.. what the nets are doing is ruining basketball

jmoney85
07-05-2012, 10:40 PM
hard cap was the only way to settle this... owners caved and now this is what you get

oak2455
07-05-2012, 10:43 PM
russian 1 cuban 0

actually Cuban 1 ring Russian 0:D

naps
07-05-2012, 10:44 PM
LMFAO!

Grape is sour baby!

Where is LT baby now? Let me do it for him :dance::dance:

Avenged
07-05-2012, 10:44 PM
A lot of overpaid players.. Some players who have no business making the type of money they are. These owners signing these players to ridiculous contracts are the ones who are going to force the NBA to another lockout.

Cuban may be "butt hurt" or whatever, heck I would be too.. but he's also very right.

oak2455
07-05-2012, 10:45 PM
you aint no pat riley

actually red auerbach:D

ChitownBears22
07-05-2012, 10:45 PM
Cuban is a pretty smart guy. While he may be bitter, his words are true. These contracts are not benefiting a lot of teams in the long run.

Why does Cuban care, you ask? Because at the end of the day he is a business man and a very intelligent one at that. He is putting it out there so in a couple years when owners are complaining about restructuring the CBA he can sit back with that smug look on his face and say "told you so"

Blink
07-05-2012, 10:45 PM
Cuban is so right here.

Owners obviously didn't learn nothing from this past lockout..

waveycrockett
07-05-2012, 10:45 PM
actually Cuban 1 ring Russian 0:D

Russian 40 Billion dollars Cuban 1

Avenged
07-05-2012, 10:46 PM
I'm gonna go with bitter. Why the **** would he care about other teams screwing themselves.

Because in the long run it can also cause another bogus lockout.

oak2455
07-05-2012, 10:48 PM
Russian 40 Billion dollars Cuban 1

yes because you and I would know what to do with 1 billion dollars......so really I'm good with just a million:D

jmoney85
07-05-2012, 10:49 PM
Yea what do u mean butt hurt.. Hes right.. And he probably is smarter than all the other owners.. what the nets are doing is ruining basketball

how are the nets ruining basketball?

waveycrockett
07-05-2012, 10:50 PM
yes because you and I would know what to do with 1 billion dollars......so really I'm good with just a million:D

No but with 40 Billion Dollars a take over of the world becomes an option :D

still1ballin
07-05-2012, 10:51 PM
Thats what you get for helping veto the CP3 trade

Now do the LT :dance:

Young2Kinsler
07-05-2012, 10:52 PM
Wavey is officially the 2nd person on my ignore list. This guy just baits and trolls in everything he does.

joseph aka Jman
07-05-2012, 10:55 PM
**** you Cuban **** you :dance:

waveycrockett
07-05-2012, 10:55 PM
Wavey is officially the 2nd person on my ignore list. This guy just baits and trolls in everything he does.

I'm honored:dance::dance:

Showtime Steve
07-05-2012, 10:57 PM
He wasnt warning about that when he was tryingto get dwight and dwill. The owners know what they are getting into.

jmoney85
07-05-2012, 10:57 PM
I guess cuban forgot about his 85 million dollar payroll 2 years ago

justjames
07-05-2012, 10:58 PM
Cuban sounds like he's going to ragequit

KB-Pau-DH2012
07-05-2012, 11:00 PM
In an unforeseen event, Mark Cuban will commit suicide by the end of tonight sources tell Y! :laugh2:

jimm120
07-05-2012, 11:00 PM
or it sounds like mark cuban is smarter than every other owner in the league

He might be. But WHEN he said it (when he's struck out on every Free agent...the last being Kidd) shows that he's just trying to save face by "revealing" part of his plan (which I DO believe its true that the Mavs wanted to not have bad contracts, but still...timing).

He's justifying it to the Team's market.

cheddar08
07-05-2012, 11:01 PM
Mark Cuban cares about Dallas and that's it. He's pissed everyone left him high and dry and now Dirk wants out too I'm sure. I as a Lakers fan love this email. The owners are all big boys they will be ok.

Young2Kinsler
07-05-2012, 11:01 PM
He wasnt warning about that when he was tryingto get dwight and dwill. The owners know what they are getting into.

Superstars will ALWAYS get paid. If you think those 2 guys have anything to do with this topic, please find another forum to post on, or get up to speed.

Young2Kinsler
07-05-2012, 11:02 PM
Mark Cuban cares about Dallas and that's it. He's pissed everyone left him high and dry and now Dirk wants out too I'm sure. I as a Lakers fan love this email. The owners are all big boys they will be ok.

Dirk wants out? News to us

smith&wesson
07-05-2012, 11:03 PM
Probably mad at the fact that they lost Chandler, Barea, West, Terry, Kidd, Butler, and other championship core players and lost out on Deron Williams, Steve Nash and Dwight Howard.

Why is this guy loved in Dallas again?

pretty much all old players you listed there. i think he was banking on d.will and howard... thats a no go. i wonder what the plan b is.

Vinylman
07-05-2012, 11:03 PM
everyone is forgetting the escrow accounts... gonna laugh my *** off when revenues are way down and the players have to forfeit escrow money which they never have had to do before...

Cuban is right but it won't change anything and has nothing to do with luxury tax... teams can spend like crazy now because there is no economic consequences for a franchises failure... NO and the NBA proved that...

oh well, it was the system he wanted

KB-Pau-DH2012
07-05-2012, 11:03 PM
I guess cuban forgot about his 85 million dollar payroll 2 years ago

That was before the new CBA smarty pants.

TMcC801
07-05-2012, 11:05 PM
ahhhhahah he mad. He's probably right, but he mad. I can't stand the guy, nice swing and miss a**hole

jmoney85
07-05-2012, 11:05 PM
That was before the new CBA smarty pants.

it doesnt matter... its the same thing except higher tax penalty which doesnt start for 2 or 3 years I think?

ChitownBears22
07-05-2012, 11:08 PM
it doesnt matter... its the same thing except higher tax penalty which doesnt start for 2 or 3 years I think?

It does matter. The new tax system will be a burden on these teams who are creating a bunch of backloaded contracts. Especially if they take on 2-3 backloaded contracts and the players don't work out. You only get 1 amnesty and then you are eating that chunk of money.

jmoney85
07-05-2012, 11:10 PM
It does matter. The new tax system will be a burden on these teams who are creating a bunch of backloaded contracts. Especially if they take on 2-3 backloaded contracts and the players don't work out. You only get 1 amnesty and then you are eating that chunk of money.

im pretty sure they know this lol.... its not like mark cuban just broke news

ChitownBears22
07-05-2012, 11:13 PM
im pretty sure they know this lol.... its not like mark cuban just broke news

Yeah and Cuban is a business man. Is he not allowed to voice his opinion on how he thinks teams are acting rashly and stupidly?

It does affect him in the long run. Because in a couple years when chit hits the fan with these crappy contracts guess who is going to be bailing out these small market teams?

jayjay33
07-05-2012, 11:14 PM
Cuban is a strait *****. He only complains when other teams make a great move. Just like last year when he hated on the lakers.

He ****ed his team he should just be a man about it.......

Pakman
07-05-2012, 11:15 PM
LT has been ghost ever since the fall of Dallas started began. I love it. Now dance.

jmoney85
07-05-2012, 11:15 PM
LT has been ghost ever since the fall of Dallas started began. I love it. Now dance.

lol

ChitownBears22
07-05-2012, 11:17 PM
Cuban is a strait *****. He only complains when other teams make a great move. Just like last year when he hated on the lakers.

He ****ed his team he should just be a man about it.......

Yeah offering Asik that kind of money is a great move. It was also a great move to offer Lin that kind of offer. I am sure you think that Eric Gordon is worth a max as well.

Cuban is smart from staying away from overpaying for subpar talent. He is allowed to voice his displeasure about teams that are going to screw him in the future.

jayjay33
07-05-2012, 11:17 PM
And he also doesnt not acknowledge...when you put stars on the same team you get guys to go there for nothing in hopes of winning a ring....

ChitownBears22
07-05-2012, 11:19 PM
And he also doesnt not acknowledge...when you put stars on the same team you get guys to go there for nothing in hopes of winning a ring....

Since when are Asik, Lin and Gordon stars that will attract high level caliber players?

I think you fail to understand what he is talking about.

He isn't talking about the smart deal the Suns/Lakers made for Nash. He is talking about the contracts that make no sense, like Fields for 20 mil.

jayjay33
07-05-2012, 11:22 PM
Cuban is a strait *****. He only complains when other teams make a great move. Just like last year when he hated on the lakers.

He ****ed his team he should just be a man about it.......

Yeah offering Asik that kind of money is a great move. It was also a great move to offer Lin that kind of offer. I am sure you think that Eric Gordon is worth a max as well.

Cuban is smart from staying away from overpaying for subpar talent. He is allowed to voice his displeasure about teams that are going to screw him in the future.

Ie don't pay these guys so much so I can sign them....... He was ready to break the luxury tax bank to put Dwill and Howard wit dirk......now all of a suddrn he is your inly going to get better with the mle to the team that signed the guy he wanted.....an he was going to do the samething if he could. He is full of **** and a hating *** *****


.

ChitownBears22
07-05-2012, 11:24 PM
Ie don't pay these guys so much so I can sign them....... He was ready to break the luxury tax bank to put Dwill and Howard wit dirk......now all of a suddrn he is your inly going to get better with the mle to the team that signed the guy he wanted.....an he was going to do the samething if he could. He is full of ****......

D-wIll, DH and Dirk are worth the Luxury tax. Much like LBJ, Wade, Bosh is.

But Asik Lin Fields, Green, ect aren't the type of talent you go over cap for. He is just pointing out how stupid it is now, so in 3 years when these teams are complaining about the LT he can say "I told you so, suck it!"

jayjay33
07-05-2012, 11:26 PM
and he also doesnt not acknowledge...when you put stars on the same team you get guys to go there for nothing in hopes of winning a ring....

since when are asik, lin and gordon stars that will attract high level caliber players?

I think you fail to understand what he is talking about.

He isn't talking about the smart deal the suns/lakers made for nash. He is talking about the contracts that make no sense, like fields for 20 mil.

dp......

Punk
07-05-2012, 11:27 PM
He's only doing this cause of his team.

jayjay33
07-05-2012, 11:28 PM
And he also doesnt not acknowledge...when you put stars on the same team you get guys to go there for nothing in hopes of winning a ring....

Since when are Asik, Lin and Gordon stars that will attract high level caliber players?

I think you fail to understand what he is talking about.

He isn't talking about the smart deal the Suns/Lakers made for Nash. He is talking about the contracts that make no sense, like Fields for 20 mil.

He sent the **** to prokrov. Look at his team right now. How are they getting better? He is mad cause he lost all his player and didn't get any plain and simple.

ChitownBears22
07-05-2012, 11:29 PM
He sent the **** to prokrov. An look at his team right now... He is Whiney cause he did not get any players.

The Nets are meh

IIISSKiLL
07-05-2012, 11:30 PM
maybe if he didnt act like such a ******* when he won the title.. oh well

rwynyc
07-05-2012, 11:30 PM
all these bad contracts prove is that owners were/are making money hand over fist

jayjay33
07-05-2012, 11:31 PM
And if small market teams don't overpay.....who the hell is gonna go there?

cheddar08
07-05-2012, 11:32 PM
Cuban is a DBag why would he want to help other owners? Screw him and Dallas.

cheddar08
07-05-2012, 11:33 PM
He is an arrogant prick he is just taking shots at the nets.

jayjay33
07-05-2012, 11:38 PM
Ie don't pay these guys so much so I can sign them....... He was ready to break the luxury tax bank to put Dwill and Howard wit dirk......now all of a suddrn he is your inly going to get better with the mle to the team that signed the guy he wanted.....an he was going to do the samething if he could. He is full of ****......

D-wIll, DH and Dirk are worth the Luxury tax. Much like LBJ, Wade, Bosh is.

But Asik Lin Fields, Green, ect aren't the type of talent you go over cap for. He is just pointing out how stupid it is now, so in 3 years when these teams are complaining about the LT he can say "I told you so, suck it!"

Ok well then stick to your guns and lose every year.... Cause who the **** is going to tronto for about the same thing they can make in NYC.

They are making the best of their situation.....the guys they have are looking to bolt on the first thing somkeing and you want them to start low balling? Please......

Nycbball08
07-05-2012, 11:47 PM
Probably mad at the fact that they lost Chandler, Barea, West, Terry, Kidd, Butler, and other championship core players and lost out on Deron Williams, Steve Nash and Dwight Howard.

Why is this guy loved in Dallas again?

Damn he lost his whole team..:laugh:

llemon
07-05-2012, 11:48 PM
everyone is forgetting the escrow accounts... gonna laugh my *** off when revenues are way down and the players have to forfeit escrow money which they never have had to do before...

Cuban is right but it won't change anything and has nothing to do with luxury tax... teams can spend like crazy now because there is no economic consequences for a franchises failure... NO and the NBA proved that...

oh well, it was the system he wanted

Players forfeited escrow money from 1999 thru 2010.

During the 2011 lockout was the only time since the 1999 CBA that NBA players got all their escrow money back.

AddiX
07-05-2012, 11:52 PM
What's funny is its the owners like Cuban who caught for short term contracts.
amd now with shorter term contracts, small market teams that suck are thinking, "who cares if I overpay now, he's going to be a free agent in a few years anyway, and it's not like the true superstars are going to sign here anyway.

Showtime Steve
07-06-2012, 12:08 AM
He wasnt warning about that when he was tryingto get dwight and dwill. The owners know what they are getting into.

Superstars will ALWAYS get paid. If you think those 2 guys have anything to do with this topic, please find another forum to post on, or get up to speed. wtf are you talking about? You think he would have said this if he got dwight and dwill this summer?? Just cuz he is right doesnt mean he isnt bitter.

SlimKid
07-06-2012, 12:24 AM
He may have a point, but it comes across as bitter no matter how you slice it. He sounds like a bratty kid at the playground..

stensley
07-06-2012, 12:29 AM
Yeah they should make a dumbass move like letting go of all their championship pieces on a dumb gamble.

Couldn't have said it better myself

Mr.B
07-06-2012, 12:30 AM
I think Cuban is just warning owners (or reminding them) that the S**T is about to hit the fan for teams that go over the cap multiple times. They may not care now because they are willing to sign or trade for multiple super stars but they will when they are spending more in luxury tax that they are on their payroll. Or they have put their team in such cap hell that they no longer have a MLE and have to resort to settling for minimum level players just to fill out their roster. Owners will have to start gutting their rosters just to avoid having to pay out tens of millions of dollars year after year. Billioniares didn't become billionaires because they are ok with giving away huge chunks of money.

Oh yea and to answer the questions as to why is Cuban so loved in Dallas... because regardless of what has happen over the last year he did bring an NBA title to Dallas. Last I checked there are only a hand full of teams that can say the same thing.

llemon
07-06-2012, 12:48 AM
I think Cuban is just warning owners (or reminding them) that the S**T is about to hit the fan for teams that go over the cap multiple times. They may not care now because they are willing to sign or trade for multiple super stars but they will when they are spending more in luxury tax that they are on their payroll. Or they have put their team in such cap hell that they no longer have a MLE and have to resort to settling for minimum level players just to fill out their roster. Owners will have to start gutting their rosters just to avoid having to pay out tens of millions of dollars year after year. Billioniares didn't become billionaires because they are ok with giving away huge chunks of money.

Oh yea and to answer the questions as to why is Cuban so loved in Dallas... because regardless of what has happen over the last year he did bring an NBA title to Dallas. Last I checked there are only a hand full of teams that can say the same thing.

Yes, I'm sure Cuban is very concerned about the other owners.

CTCUBBIES
07-06-2012, 12:52 AM
When all the stars in the league want to play on the same five teams it's going to naturally lead to smaller market teams competing / overpaying for the lower tier guys and so on.

jayjay33
07-06-2012, 01:15 AM
Probably mad at the fact that they lost Chandler, Barea, West, Terry, Kidd, Butler, and other championship core players and lost out on Deron Williams, Steve Nash and Dwight Howard.

Why is this guy loved in Dallas again?


Damn he lost his whole team..:laugh:

Ikr.... And he is quick to try to tell people they don't understand basketball....looks like they inderstand it a little better than him. This might be the worst FO job in history....

jmoney85
07-06-2012, 01:19 AM
cuban was just taking a subtle shot at the nets.... but I guess he forgot that proko is worth 13 billion... luxury tax is chump change for him

jayjay33
07-06-2012, 01:24 AM
When all the stars in the league want to play on the same five teams it's going to naturally lead to smaller market teams competing / overpaying for the lower tier guys and so on.

Excatly.....you have a job in a city u like and ur going to move half way across the country to say portland to do the same job for the same money? Hell no if they want you to up root and move they he e got to show you the money!

If small markets don't over pay then won't we just have all the good players in a few spots all over again? You have to be willing to pay more than the big boys can for lesser talent so you can a least stay competitive. An draft a guy or two who can put u in contention.
Hell eve okc is over paying KP.

KnickaBocka.44
07-06-2012, 01:27 AM
wtf are you talking about? You think he would have said this if he got dwight and dwill this summer?? Just cuz he is right doesnt mean he isnt bitter.

No he wouldnt have. But the contracts he is talking about arent the ones given to the D-Wil's and Dwight's of the world. He is talking about the kind of contracts that guarantee 40 million dollars to a guy coming off heart surgery and hasnt played competitively in a year.

jayjay33
07-06-2012, 01:30 AM
wtf are you talking about? You think he would have said this if he got dwight and dwill this summer?? Just cuz he is right doesnt mean he isnt bitter.

No he wouldnt have. But the contracts he is talking about arent the ones given to the D-Wil's and Dwight's of the world. He is talking about the kind of contracts that guarantee 40 million dollars to a guy coming off heart surgery and hasnt played competitively in a year.

Didn't he say about prokrov, that sounds like he was talking to him to me.

Showtime Steve
07-06-2012, 01:41 AM
wtf are you talking about? You think he would have said this if he got dwight and dwill this summer?? Just cuz he is right doesnt mean he isnt bitter.

No he wouldnt have. But the contracts he is talking about arent the ones given to the D-Wil's and Dwight's of the world. He is talking about the kind of contracts that guarantee 40 million dollars to a guy coming off heart surgery and hasnt played competitively in a year.

Didn't he send this to prokrov, that sounds like he was talking to him to me.

Thank you. He knows who to talk to. He and gilbert emailed each other then emailed stern about not letting cp3 deal through.

KnickaBocka.44
07-06-2012, 01:50 AM
Thank you. He knows who to talk to. He and gilbert emailed each other then emailed stern about not letting cp3 deal through.

Exactly, because when Cuban doesnt get what he wants he cries like a female.

But that doesnt have anything to do with bad contracts because players like D-Wil will get MAX dollars regardless of where they go.

Heater4life
07-06-2012, 09:27 AM
The truth is, when some of these small market teams reach the luxury tax, building what they consider "contenders" then **** will really hit the fan.

Its not about big markets not having the same advantages, its about small markets drastically overspending while collecting tax money from dismantled larger market teams.

YashBoone
07-06-2012, 09:34 AM
I don't know what this dudes problem is, but I will say this; there has been some stupid rediculous backloaded contracts this offseason (stupidest being raptors offer to Landry fields) and it gonna haunt them later.

gatkins11
07-06-2012, 09:38 AM
Imagine that, people on PSD posting things out of context.

Fnom11
07-06-2012, 09:39 AM
do the LT????

Childish #1 rapper in the game.

blastmasta26
07-06-2012, 09:44 AM
Bitter or not, Cuban has a legitimate point.

Citanoxeno
07-06-2012, 09:45 AM
Cuban U mad? You let Chandler go then Barera then Terry go and you mad that other people are improving their team? F U. You were one of the main culprit who rallied against the lakers getting Chris Paul and now you wanna hate. F U Cuban

StinkEye
07-06-2012, 09:45 AM
Childish #1 rapper in the game.

:laugh:

Fnom11
07-06-2012, 09:48 AM
Raptors are just trolling the NBA with that Fields contract.

effen5
07-06-2012, 09:48 AM
Cuban U mad? You let Chandler go then Barera then Terry go and you mad that other people are improving their team? F U. You were one of the main culprit who rallied against the lakers getting Chris Paul and now you wanna hate. F U Cuban

Yeah, you'll be mad when there is another lockout and we might not get basketball for a full year or two.

Cuban has a legit point, this past lockout almost seems pointless now doesn't it?

Wouldn't surprise me to see a third lockout under Stern.

JWO35
07-06-2012, 09:51 AM
The owners will learn in 2022 :rolleyes:

justinnum1
07-06-2012, 10:27 AM
usually how the lockouts work is one lockout the owners get what they want, the next lockout the players get what they want...it will be real interesting in 6 years when the owners opt out and they are asking for more and the players say we just gave you all this...

aztr0
07-06-2012, 11:17 AM
If you read more into the story. Stefan was the one who initiated the conversation with Mark Cuban. Cuban didn't just send Bondy an email out of nowhere. Which is why Cuban was mad at Bondy, because he (Stefan) made it sound like Cuban was ranting over specific teams, when he answered in general terms over a question that he was asked.

Stefan Bondy ‏@NYDNInterNets
Okay, to clarify, I asked @mcuban about Prokhorov (specifically) and owners willing to pay luxury and he answered in general terms.

knicks4life33
07-06-2012, 11:41 AM
nevamind

King41
07-06-2012, 01:15 PM
classic cuban

ink
07-06-2012, 01:58 PM
Imagine that, people on PSD posting things out of context.

So true, so true. lol.

ink
07-06-2012, 01:59 PM
classic cuban

What is classic about it? That he's an astute businessman and he understands the CBA and the pitfalls these other organization are falling into? Yeah, you're right, in that sense, this is classic Cuban. lol.

what's so stupid about what he's saying? He's saying "don't hand out these ****ed up contracts or they're going to bite you in the *** later". Isn't that what dozens of posters are saying in all the threads started about big contracts for mediocre players?

Raph12
07-06-2012, 02:02 PM
If he got DWill and D12 this summer, he wouldn't be complaining... He's just butthurt.

michael811
07-06-2012, 02:06 PM
What is classic about it? That he's an astute businessman and he understands the CBA and the pitfalls these other organization are falling into? Yeah, you're right, in that sense, this is classic Cuban. lol.

what's so stupid about what he's saying? He's saying "don't hand out these ****ed up contracts or they're going to bite you in the *** later". Isn't that what dozens of posters are saying in all the threads started about big contracts for mediocre players?

If your an astute businessman then you let the competition continue to make their mistakes and capitalize on them when the time is right

JerseyPalahniuk
07-06-2012, 02:07 PM
What is classic about it? That he's an astute businessman and he understands the CBA and the pitfalls these other organization are falling into? Yeah, you're right, in that sense, this is classic Cuban. lol.

what's so stupid about what he's saying? He's saying "don't hand out these ****ed up contracts or they're going to bite you in the *** later". Isn't that what dozens of posters are saying in all the threads started about big contracts for mediocre players?

Hypocrisy at its finest. If the big contracts are not for your favorite team or for a team you don't like, then TERRIBLE. If the team doesn't sign any free agents OMG make some moves already (Bulls, Knicks)

ink
07-06-2012, 02:20 PM
If your an astute businessman then you let the competition continue to make their mistakes and capitalize on them when the time is right

Doesn't work that way. This is more complex than that and Cuban is saying to the owners, don't **** it up for the rest of us who are showing restraint. In other words, they have to get the spending under control. That's another IMPORTANT aspect of being an astute businessman.

Tanakid777
07-06-2012, 02:20 PM
A lot of overpaid players.. Some players who have no business making the type of money they are. These owners signing these players to ridiculous contracts are the ones who are going to force the NBA to another lockout.

Cuban may be "butt hurt" or whatever, heck I would be too.. but he's also very right.


This. So many morons on this site

ink
07-06-2012, 02:23 PM
This. So many morons on this site

People don't even realize they contradict themselves or think about the subject. They just go straight into "hate the personality" mode. The level of discussion is ludicrous when that happens.

dtmagnet
07-06-2012, 02:31 PM
Or maybe, just maybe, Cuban doesn't want the NBA to go belly-up due to irresponsible spending?

GrumpyOldMan
07-06-2012, 02:42 PM
I find it to be similar to the NHL. We have strike/lockout so that owners can establish cost certainty just to have a few owners have their people circumvent the CBA for the betterment of their team but eliminating the cost certainty. We then get to hear all about how the poor owners are losing money and the CBA isn't working. The CBAs aren't the problem, the owners are shooting themselves in the foot. IMO Cuban is right. He's a goof, but he's right.

waveycrockett
07-06-2012, 02:44 PM
Or maybe, just maybe, Cuban doesn't want the NBA to go belly-up due to irresponsible spending?

No thats not it

Bruno
07-06-2012, 03:12 PM
how is this a surprise? when you know you're going to get bailed out, then why bother to make financially sound decisions?

no different than the bank bailouts.

KobeOwnSU
07-06-2012, 03:12 PM
Its all good. In after the next two years, the Lakers will only have one player under contract. So why not pay a little more now to win a chamiponship??

Bigbadmoffo
07-06-2012, 03:21 PM
He is right though. Nets will be in trouble same as knicks down the road. This is the same as when the NHL did it. Dumb teams liktoronto where never able to get back into the fold of things.

Bigbadmoffo
07-06-2012, 03:23 PM
Soon the cost of dumping a contract like jj's will cost you more the getting Dwight.

King41
07-06-2012, 03:25 PM
What is classic about it? That he's an astute businessman and he understands the CBA and the pitfalls these other organization are falling into? Yeah, you're right, in that sense, this is classic Cuban. lol.

what's so stupid about what he's saying? He's saying "don't hand out these ****ed up contracts or they're going to bite you in the *** later". Isn't that what dozens of posters are saying in all the threads started about big contracts for mediocre players?

i never said that its wrong/stupid what he said ...

Bigbadmoffo
07-06-2012, 03:25 PM
Its all good. In after the next two years, the Lakers will only have one player under contract. So why not pay a little more now to win a chamiponship??

They always seem to be in a good position, that team is run pretty well. If they Knicks had a smarter gm they would have a great team considering there market.

ScoPo18
07-06-2012, 03:26 PM
No thats not it

No you're wrong.

You guys hating on Cuban are unbelievable. I don't care if you hate him, and you're glad the Mavs are falling apart, but that doesn't make what he's saying wrong.

It's exactly like the hockey comparison. If you dish out these ridiculous contracts for mediocre players, it effects EVERYONE. Now crappy player think they're worth more than they really are, and won't sign for what they're worth.

It's more than the owners though...the CBA is flawed and ruining basketball. They NEED a hard cap. But that's a whole different argument. Until basketball ruins itself, star players are going to go to certain cities, and the other cities are going to be forced to overpay for crappy players to come there without an opportunity to win. Cubins right, and the NBA is a joke.

And don't say I'm bitter because I'm from Philly and a sixers fan. I'd be saying the same thing if we were the Heat.

Beantownsboss
07-06-2012, 03:38 PM
You mad Cube, lol maybe you still get D12, but you have no trade assets

Cursed Rangers
07-06-2012, 04:21 PM
Cuban is arrogant & cocky. He speaks his mind, and doesn't care who he pisses off. I can see why people hate him. However, he does have a point on this.

The rash of overspending will ultimately impact Cuban and everyone else in the league. I have been to multiple basketball arenas over the past couple of years. What jumps out at me is the difference in the atmosphere at each arena. The Mavs (like them or not) have a sold out game every night and the place is buzzing with energy (I get that it might not be that way next year). Conversely you go and watch the Rockets play and you will find the same energy at a high school basketball game. The Rockets stands are half full and most people watching are there on free tickets.

When these teams are signing these absurd contracts (D-Will, Dwight, Nash, etc are all worth it) to mid-tier players it is going to result in the teams getting hammered down the road. When they get hammered, their gate revenue and attendance will crash. Empty arenas hurt the NBA and ultimately hurt Cuban.

King41
07-06-2012, 04:25 PM
hey BUT it is right that guys like cuban stand up and speak their minds out.
You don't have to agree but it is his right to do this. And with this crazy contracts the next lockout is near ...

Kashmir13579
07-06-2012, 04:26 PM
I gotta say, New Jersey did one hell of a job. I'd be mad too.

King41
07-06-2012, 04:30 PM
who said that its all said because of the fact that dallas don't get deron? it is the reality that we have to much crazy contracts out there i mean they deserve some money no problem with that but 15 mil or more? who needs 8 houses ? nobody can sleep in 6 rooms at the same time.

arkanian215
07-06-2012, 04:37 PM
0a

MT2A
07-06-2012, 04:46 PM
Cuban is arrogant & cocky. He speaks his mind, and doesn't care who he pisses off. I can see why people hate him. However, he does have a point on this.

The rash of overspending will ultimately impact Cuban and everyone else in the league. I have been to multiple basketball arenas over the past couple of years. What jumps out at me is the difference in the atmosphere at each arena. The Mavs (like them or not) have a sold out game every night and the place is buzzing with energy (I get that it might not be that way next year). Conversely you go and watch the Rockets play and you will find the same energy at a high school basketball game. The Rockets stands are half full and most people watching are there on free tickets.

When these teams are signing these absurd contracts (D-Will, Dwight, Nash, etc are all worth it) to mid-tier players it is going to result in the teams getting hammered down the road. When they get hammered, their gate revenue and attendance will crash. Empty arenas hurt the NBA and ultimately hurt Cuban.

Hold up... first of all it was Cuban, Jordan, and Gilbert's idea to push for revenue sharing... Now this A**hole is going to be all butt hurt that teams aren't selling out and that even with the new CBA teams still can't compete with big market teams like the Lakers, Knicks, Celtics, and Heat. Give me a fu**ing break. You made your bed now sleep in it. Cuban is a douche... I am glad that he didn't end up owning the Dodgers he may have jacked it up worse than McCourt

justjames
07-06-2012, 05:14 PM
Before, I wouldn't have minded Mark Cuban owning the Doyers but now I'm pretty glad that he didn't win the bid.

Cursed Rangers
07-06-2012, 05:31 PM
Whatever the case might be, this thread has to be setting some sort of record for the most times that the phrase 'butt hurt' is used.

waveycrockett
07-06-2012, 05:33 PM
Cuban is PO'd

MT2A
07-07-2012, 03:09 AM
Whatever the case might be, this thread has to be setting some sort of record for the most times that the phrase 'butt hurt' is used.

Butt Hurt - One more just for good measure! LOL!

bearadonisdna
07-07-2012, 04:39 AM
Mark Cuban is mad.
His strategy to compete vs lockout didnt work.

Stupid lockout ruined their chance of a legitimate title defense. It is crap.

Shareeb_omac2
07-07-2012, 05:03 AM
You guys interpret this the way you want to...

What he's really talking about are the mid-tier players getting big contracts. Not Deron or Dwight...

Yeah I'm sure Cuban is upset about the way FA played out but it had nothing to do with these statements.

MickeyMgl
07-07-2012, 05:06 AM
hard cap was the only way to settle this... owners caved and now this is what you get

Hard caps suck.

Sssmush
07-07-2012, 05:32 AM
Ironically, Dallas, which was considered a fun and extravagant destination before all the politics of the lockout, which for some reason don't really understand Cuban got out in front of... is no longer considered a place to "get paid" and be part of an elite team with an owner that will "do anything" and "pay anything" to build a championship team. On the contrary, players are jumping ship.

The irony is that there is actually a MINIMUM salary cap, or salary "floor," and Dallas may end up having to pay some real dogs, or bus in some players for Eastern Europe and South America just to fill out there roster and reach the minimum salary level this year.

I don't know why it's gone like this... I've always thought Mark Cuban was pretty cool. Is it the ownership lawsuit thing, is that the issue?

Sssmush
07-07-2012, 06:07 AM
Cuban is arrogant & cocky. He speaks his mind, and doesn't care who he pisses off. I can see why people hate him. However, he does have a point on this.

The rash of overspending will ultimately impact Cuban and everyone else in the league. I have been to multiple basketball arenas over the past couple of years. What jumps out at me is the difference in the atmosphere at each arena. The Mavs (like them or not) have a sold out game every night and the place is buzzing with energy (I get that it might not be that way next year). Conversely you go and watch the Rockets play and you will find the same energy at a high school basketball game. The Rockets stands are half full and most people watching are there on free tickets.

When these teams are signing these absurd contracts (D-Will, Dwight, Nash, etc are all worth it) to mid-tier players it is going to result in the teams getting hammered down the road. When they get hammered, their gate revenue and attendance will crash. Empty arenas hurt the NBA and ultimately hurt Cuban.

This is all nonsense. And especially with the new CBA, with the 3X luxury tax and all this revenue sharing up the yazoo... this is all a bunch of bull****.

Donald Sterling has been turning a profit in LA every year, and there have been a lot of years you couldn't GIVE Clipper tickets away. Literally. Just don't have time to drive down there and pay to park. uhhhhh. No thanks.

But Clippers ALWAYS turn a profit. And the team has gone up so far in value from the original purchase price, it's absurd.

Now, are these new owners, who double triple super finance $400M to buy a New Orleans Hornets or an Oklahoma Thunder... are THEY gonna make a huge return?

Sure. If they stick around, develop the sport, and grow with the league for 20 or 30 years. Are they gonna make that return in the next 3 years? What do you think.

Eventually, owners will have to either just pay market value for players, generally more than they are making now when it comes to stars, OR, hello, just wake up and realize these are just young guys wearing short pants that play with a ball.

ROY HIBBERT IS GOING TO PORTLAND FOR THE MAX. Indiana MUST match! uhhhhh... really? Or what?

Is Hibbert a star? Will the team lose money without Hibbert? Will Hibbert bring them a championship?

Ask yourself, is Roy Hibbert the reason you bought an NBA team?

Look... if these owners are too stupid to realize the situation, then NO amount of socialist revenue sharing or luxury tax will save them. They are already leaning so hard on revenue from the good teams. Yet Indiana would probably pay two or three times more than the current max deal if there wasn't all these salary controls in place.

LOL like if there wasn't the current CBA, Indiana would probably offer Hibbert a 12 year, $15M a year contract or something like that.

Like if it's Lebron, yes, do the deal, then celebrate you just made a $500M dollar profit. If it's Hibbert, then get some toilet paper because you just flushed your team down the toilet.

kblo247
07-07-2012, 07:50 AM
Agreed. Max for Hibbert, 58 mil for Gordon, Dragic's deal, 20 mil for Landry Fields it's bad out there right now.

Well least he got what he, Sarver, Jordan, and Gilbert wanted the Lakers revenue sharing money plus tax money. He will get his little hand out as will others from teams who bring in dough.

The thing is he ****ed himself. He broke up a title team on a whim, just like he put together some dumbass teams on whims in the past like with the Jamison and Walker trades. He is erratic and out there. He gambled and crapped out because guys aren't lining up to play for the guy who threw a hissy fit at a player in Odom, who was so pro lockout, and who was willing to flush a title team away after spending over a damn decade with expensive trinket after trinket to form it.

Cuban is the Mavs worst enemy and greatest asset all at once and always has and will be.

He is salty. He knew damn well teams like Tornto would overpay and that guys like Sarver and Jordan would weigh costs-benefit to everything. He knew Portland gave out dumbass offer sheets like with Millsap. He knew the Rockets would pay big for a big and an Asian to market. They were who they run and were run the way they wore long before the lockout and he took advantage of that in years past.

**** blew up in his face now as no star is coming to Dallas, no vet on the team is recruiting for his *** after the **** he pulled, and he can't even overpay like some of these teams are doing with a Hibbert, Gordon, and so on which he himself knows damn well he has done before like with Howard and Daniels or Harris.

It sucks being inthe outside looking in don't it Cuban, chalk it up to basketball reasons

Mr.B
07-07-2012, 11:51 AM
The thing is he ****ed himself. He broke up a title team on a whim, just like he put together some dumbass teams on whims in the past like with the Jamison and Walker trades. He is erratic and out there. He gambled and crapped out because guys aren't lining up to play for the guy who threw a hissy fit at a player in Odom, who was so pro lockout, and who was willing to flush a title team away after spending over a damn decade with expensive trinket after trinket to form it.

Cuban is the Mavs worst enemy and greatest asset all at once and always has and will be.



I'm a Mavs fan and agree and disagree with your comments. First, I agree that Cuban has always been the Mavs worst enemy and best asset. I believe he's one of the main reasons the Mavs lost the title in '06 because of his outspoken nature. On the other hand, he along with Donnie Nelson built that team. He's the one that made the shrude decision to let Steve Nash go and believe it or not the Mavs would have never gone to the Finals with Nash and Dirk as the two best players (Nash also would not have won those MVP's had he stayed in Dallas). He makes the unpopular decisions no one else wants to make.

Second I also agree that no big time free agent has ever wanted to sign with the Mavs and with their current roster I honestly don't blame them. That's no big surprise though and has always been the history of the Mavs, even long before Cuban bought the team. If you don't believe me just tell me 1 big time free agent that has signed in Dallas (not resigned but signed) since 1980. That's part of the reason why Cuban didn't go to New York to meet DWill because he knew he wasn't going to sign in Dallas. Regardless of how DWill is trying to spin it now, he never planned on coming to Dallas. He has to spin it now because his family lives here and he visits here. He wants to be able to come back without being harrassed. So since no free agents will sign here the only other way to get quality players is through trades. In order to make trades you have to have assets that other teams want. Would anyone want a $20 mil JJ Barea? Hell no! Hoe about a $24 mil Caron Butler coming off a major knee injury? Nope! Even Tyson Chandler's contract is damn near untradable. The best assets to the majority of the teams in the NBA are draft picks (high draft picks). That is what Cuban will be collecting the next couple of years. Again, not popular but neccessary for the future of the Mavs organization.