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ldawg
07-05-2012, 10:32 AM
The NBA should block any trade where a player hold his team hostage of making trades starting with Howard. Say all you want but Lebron did not do this. Lebron simply signed with another team as a free agent. Fans did not like it but he was all within his rights he did noting wrong it was just the way he did it. The NBA should block a Howard to nets trade. Let him chose from the other 32 teams. A list cannot involve one team. He has gone out and demand a trade yet when they grant him his wish he is blocking it. He gave up his right as a free agent meaning he is under contract. This is a beyond ridiculous. IF Howard is able to get away with this more issues like this will pop up this is will pop up. Is this not part of the lock out?

JerseyPalahniuk
07-05-2012, 10:36 AM
I am not in favor of Howards actions in ANY WAY - makes me not care at all if we get him unlike the some other irrational Nets fans around here who keep using his names in posts but I still feel as though it's the media today that has overblown things like this. If a random "analyst" who heres from the Dwight's grandma's dentist's daughter that he might want to play with the Lakers, said analyst will blow it up on Twitter saying "DWIGHT CONSIDERING CHANGING HIS MIND"

THis would not have existed even 10 years ago let alone 20-30. Think about how many other players might have asked to be traded to a specific team years ago in private? Again, what Dwight's doing is immature but I'm sure there were a lot more like him before whose situations weren't as hyped up as today because of the Twitter/ESPN world

Hangtime
07-05-2012, 10:46 AM
Welcome to the world of Twitter. We live in a world where every rumor gets reported and trends on the internet.

Anyways, star players such as Dwight have the power to veto such trades and control their own destiny simply by refusing to sign a long term deal with another team. Orlando needs to get back some kind of quality in order to trade him. Unless Dwight agrees to it, no team will give up top caliber players and high picks for him. What do you suggest they do?

If they allow him to walk when his contract is up they don't get jack for him. Orlando has to put themselves in the best position to rebuild quickly. Only two players so far has been guilty of doing this. Melo and Dwight. Who else has been doing this with such fanfare?

DR_1
07-05-2012, 10:48 AM
I agree. Well said OP :cheers:

MiamiBoy77
07-05-2012, 10:50 AM
You brought up one very important point. This is NOT what LeBron did. This is FAR worse. What lebron did was completely legal and within the rules. This is taking complete advantage and manipulating a situation.

mark1125
07-05-2012, 11:00 AM
You brought up one very important point. This is NOT what LeBron did. This is FAR worse. What lebron did was completely legal and within the rules. This is taking complete advantage and manipulating a situation.

Lebron was just a douche about it. Howard is a douchebag of the worst kind, but the people who have control over the matter are the GM's. If a player knows that whining and tweeting will get them what they want, the players will do it.

It is the GM's accomodating the stars and the media who blow these things out of proportion.

eugene
07-05-2012, 11:02 AM
trade this clown to bobcats...

ellisgw
07-05-2012, 11:04 AM
this has been going on years lol

what hell are you people talking about

Gritz
07-05-2012, 11:09 AM
There arent 32 other teams

EDUTEXANS
07-05-2012, 11:10 AM
what 32 teams? lol

Howard is a clown, Orlando has the right to trade him to wherever they want

LongIslandIcedZ
07-05-2012, 11:12 AM
I dont love what all the superstars are doing (including my Knicks) but they ARE free agents, so its tough to really complain about it. Its turning out the only way to really compete is to team up. Perhaps that will change eventually, but for now, just gotta enjoy what you got.

RaiderLakersA's
07-05-2012, 11:14 AM
Hmmm, let's play devil's advocate here:

I have no problems with this. There are players who get held hostage by teams. No, the organization doesn't hold a gun to his head and force him to play, but players do get traded to places where they don't want to be. Look no further than Lamar Odom last year for just one of many, many, MANY examples.

When a player has the power to decide his fate, he should use it. Abuse it. Ride it like you're the only swinging d*** on an island of eunuchs when a boatload of Penthouse Pets and Playboy Playmates get marooned. If you don't have the stomach to put up with the back and forth, then stop reading (and believing) all of the rumors, speculation and "from an inside reliable source" chicanery that the media puts out there.

StarvingKnick22
07-05-2012, 11:20 AM
true but its not likely it will ever happen. BTW there are 30 teams in the NBA. 32 in the NFL tho

Hangtime
07-05-2012, 11:23 AM
what 32 teams? lol

Howard is a clown, Orlando has the right to trade him to wherever they want

Howard has handled the ordeal poorly and the Magic have a right to trade him where they want. But how many teams are willing to give up the farm for a man who refuses to sign an extension with them? Some believe that they can talk Howard into staying but if he has made his intentions clear why waste their time?


From a business standpoint, you strike the best deal with one of the teams he wants and all sides are happy. Much like Melo, the KNicks and Nuggets. It worked out for everyone.

Shame on these superstars for wanting to play where they want to with who they want to, Right?

BKLYNpigeon
07-05-2012, 11:24 AM
its sucks, but its something the league cannot control.

PLAYERS HAVE RIGHTS.

This is why a Front Office has to have good relationships with their players. Howard is acting like a Douche but the Orlando Front is to be blamed as well. two things can equally be true and both parties can be blamed.

BKLYNpigeon
07-05-2012, 11:28 AM
I think Howard is doing EVERY team a favor telling them he only wants to play for the Nets. He doesnt want teams to waste assets on him and leaving them with nothing.

At least Howard is being Honest.

NYK|NYY
07-05-2012, 11:28 AM
It's within his rights, you can even argue he is doing a service by informing the franchise its his intent to sign elsewhere. However, he is a dirtbag for wavering back and forth, also, he kind of got his coach fired.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
07-05-2012, 11:36 AM
:facepalm:

ldawg
07-05-2012, 11:43 AM
Do you mean what Nash did? U can ask to be traded to a certain team but you can not demand where they need to send you its a difference. Magic want a trade that is best for them while Keeping him out the same conference.

THE_G.O.A.T.
07-05-2012, 11:43 AM
Its stuff like this that makes that NBA tough to take seriously, with that said. This is on Magic management. Howard has said for the last 3 years he doesn't want to stay in Orlando. The Magic didn't listen and held onto him way too long. They would have gotten much better offers in previous summers than they'd get from the Nets now.

ldawg
07-05-2012, 11:53 AM
Dude the team he want to go to will not be able to sign him next season. He would have to settle with team team that has the cap space. Mavs maybe? Plus he wold make way less money if he walk away. He is under contract and he demand a trade they have granted him his wish but he is not being realistic? He want to be in Brooklyn so does Brooks.

ldawg
07-05-2012, 11:54 AM
Its stuff like this that makes that NBA tough to take seriously, with that said. This is on Magic management. Howard has said for the last 3 years he doesn't want to stay in Orlando. The Magic didn't listen and held onto him way too long. They would have gotten much better offers in previous summers than they'd get from the Nets now.Its Howard fault he was back and forth.

BigBlueCrew
07-05-2012, 11:58 AM
This is completely on Dwight Howard. No-one asked to waive his early termination clause. And now he is *****in that he was blackmailed about it? The guy acts like a little child, doesnt realize that there are consequences to every action. Maybe the Magic could have traded him within the season then. So whatever happens to him happens.

Pierzynski4Prez
07-05-2012, 11:59 AM
I don't know what's worse. What Howard is doing, or when an NFL player with 2-3 years left on a contract wants to hold out.

Kenny Powders
07-05-2012, 12:04 PM
You brought up one very important point. This is NOT what LeBron did. This is FAR worse. What lebron did was completely legal and within the rules. This is taking complete advantage and manipulating a situation.

If that is the most important point you got out of if his post, congratulations your an idiot.

enserio
07-05-2012, 12:05 PM
It's the nature of the business. I don't like it, but currently it's the only way that players can hold the FO accountable for fielding a competitive team. Granted, this was not an issue so much in the 80s and 90s, but these days are different.

ldawg
07-05-2012, 12:14 PM
If Dipwit Howard want to be spiteful David need to flex his muscle and be spiteful. A list cannot be one team. Magic has step up to the plate to trade him yet he is still playing silly little games. What does he want. If he really wanted to go to the Nets why in the world did he op in. He is under contract.

Hellcrooner
07-05-2012, 12:21 PM
COme on Idawg.

Dont be homeristic.

You want a trade to nets blocked so he can come to the lakers.

ldawg
07-05-2012, 12:22 PM
Trade Howard to the Bobcats or let him walk Since he want to screw Magic they should screw him back. Save their cab and go hard next year similar to what Nets did. Bynum Josh Smith combo Maybe? No use taking back players you don't want or get stuck playing the draft. Even a one year rental is great for the Bobcats

Oldmantrash
07-05-2012, 12:25 PM
Give me a break

Stop with the hipocracy

If it is your team that is getting the star, then there is a legitimate reason.
If it's a team you don't like, then its not fair.

Nash just got himself on the Lakers, that's ok.

Orlando has a choice, if they trade him to the Nets, that is there decision.
If they don't then
All Howard can do is say he won't sign, then become a free agent.

What is the difference between that, and any other free agent, including Lebron.


enough with the complaining

Iceman_9
07-05-2012, 12:26 PM
Trade him to the Lakers!!

ldawg
07-05-2012, 12:31 PM
Get pass 20 wins then we can talk

AKA TheMamba
07-05-2012, 12:51 PM
Mandatory fines i hope next CBA if anything remotely close to this situation pops up.

KnicksR4Real
07-05-2012, 12:56 PM
As much of a *** Dwight is, it wouldn't be fair to enforce a rule like this. It's extremely communist.

The Best Around
07-05-2012, 12:58 PM
He's not doing anything wrong. He's handling the situation extremely poorly, but it's within his right. Who cares if he only wants to go to Brooklyn?

TopsyTurvy
07-05-2012, 01:11 PM
The NBA is one of the few professional sports where the players have nearly all of the leverage - the only thing that comes close is football (soccer).

Hellcrooner
07-05-2012, 01:17 PM
The NBA is one of the few professional sports where the players have nearly all of the leverage - the only thing that comes close is football (soccer).

Lol, Nba ( or any american league player) wish they had the leverage Soccer players ( or any sports player outside usa) have.

They can go WHERE they want WHENEVER they want for AS MUCH as they want and withouth that team needing to give up ANY Sport assets ( just money) for them.

Hellcrooner
07-05-2012, 01:18 PM
As much of a *** Dwight is, it wouldn't be fair to enforce a rule like this. It's extremely communist.

Because Draft, Rfa, Salary cap, Limited by a max amount salarys, Revenue sharing, Luxury tax are very capitalist :rolleyes:

Hey man you graduated with the best degree in the country in maths, guess what now you need to go to Mcdonalds south in Albuquerque for parity reasons and you canot command more than 800 dollars a month for the next 5 years, then other places can bid for you but guess what Mcdonalds CAN match it and retain you 4 more years, oh and dont discard mcdonalds trading you to winnipeg to a bussines that cleans Wcs withouth your consent.
Hey Microsoft you cant Pay the best ingeneers, you have to take some of the shittiest ones because mcdonalds needs the best for having parity...
and you can only have this limted payroll so apple can keep up with you.
Hey you cant buy iphones you have to trade them for X boxes!!!!
and so on and on

Hangtime
07-05-2012, 01:29 PM
I swear, if it was up to some of you, we would go back to the days where players were forced into signing career long term contracts and were 100 % at the mercy of the team owners. This is what past players fought long and hard against. If you want to crucify the man for being an a-hole through this whole process fine, because he has. But if a player is no longer happy where he plays and informs the team of his intention to leave then so be it. He has that ****ing right.

Idawg wants to punish the guy by sending him the Bobcats as a big F you out the door. That's BS and not a good scenario for anyone. Stop whining about this ****. Either they can get some compensation for him, or they will get nothing. And no team with no realistic shot of keeping Howard would make a deal for him.

Fnom11
07-05-2012, 10:36 PM
I think Howard is doing EVERY team a favor telling them he only wants to play for the Nets. He doesnt want teams to waste assets on him and leaving them with nothing.

At least Howard is being Honest.

I actually agree. People somehow can't see he's actually help the Orlando franchise. If he didn't say he wants to be traded he could've just walked for free. Now at least Orlando gets something in return.