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DeRozan10
07-03-2012, 09:44 PM
http://basketball.******.com/wiretap/222042/Nash_Giving_Knicks_Time_To_Work_On_Sign_And_Trade

waveycrockett
07-03-2012, 09:50 PM
Its going to have to include shumpert because fields has agreed to an offer sheet and lin is about to

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 09:53 PM
Suns GM, " Shump has a shredded ACL and months of rehab with a huge ? over his head"?

"Well where is the dotted line, lets get this done"!

justinnum1
07-03-2012, 09:54 PM
so they get nash, lose their bench and role players? lol

sunsfan88
07-03-2012, 09:56 PM
The Lakers have entered the bidding for Steve Nash, according to a source.

In order to acquire Nash, Los Angeles would almost certainly need to execute a sign-and-trade with the Suns.

Ramon Sessions, Jordan Hill and Matt Barnes are all free agents.

Via David Aldridge/NBA.com (via Twitter)



Via r e a l g m

waveycrockett
07-03-2012, 09:57 PM
Via r e a l g m

Those players are disgusting and Nash had already said he cant see himself playing for LA

Metsboi69
07-03-2012, 09:59 PM
Those players are disgusting and Nash had already said he cant see himself playing for LA

Well Ramon Sessions>Fields the guy the Knicks were originally talking about sending over.

Jroz
07-03-2012, 10:02 PM
curious if Novak is on PHX radar?...i'd give him up over Shumpert....i think.......

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2012, 10:03 PM
Its going to have to include shumpert because fields has agreed to an offer sheet and lin is about to

he is?

justinnum1
07-03-2012, 10:04 PM
curious if Novak is on PHX radar?...i'd give him up over Shumpert....i think.......

novak would probably be included with shump. both of them make about 1.5 mil and you need to send out like 7+mil

Jroz
07-03-2012, 10:04 PM
LA...forget Nash..go get Howard damnit!

carruthers32
07-03-2012, 10:04 PM
Makes no sense for PHX to trade for a guy who may miss most of the year next year. Might as well bank the money and sign a player who's ACL isn't torn....lol.

Jroz
07-03-2012, 10:05 PM
Its going to have to include shumpert because fields has agreed to an offer sheet and lin is about to

Knicks have already stated that they are letting the Market set Lin's value..meaning go out and get your interviews and have teams give you offers and we'll go from there..not a big deal if Lin does

waveycrockett
07-03-2012, 10:05 PM
he is?

Yes he is meeting with Houston likely to sign 5 year 40 million reported like 3 hours ago

xxplayerxx23
07-03-2012, 10:06 PM
I wonder if they would have any intrest in lin?

waveycrockett
07-03-2012, 10:06 PM
Knicks have already stated that they are letting the Market set Lin's value..meaning go out and get your interviews and have teams give you offers and we'll go from there..not a big deal if Lin does

Obviously Knicks will probably match but 40 million kills a Nash deal

oak2455
07-03-2012, 10:07 PM
Knicks have already stated that they are letting the Market set Lin's value..meaning go out and get your interviews and have teams give you offers and we'll go from there..not a big deal if Lin does

he trolls on Tuesday nights:D

Jroz
07-03-2012, 10:08 PM
novak would probably be included with shump. both of them make about 1.5 mil and you need to send out like 7+mil

Don't think Novak was in the original deal with Fields...Knicks only have to give up one main piece like Novak or Shumpert... Novak for 1 or 2, TD (2) (1.7 Gaz and 750k for Harrelson both expiring so instantly cut by PHX) + 3 mil of cash..so thats like 6 mil of salaries...Knicks can take back 150% back in return according to the CBA..its not gonna be 12..more like 8-9

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2012, 10:08 PM
Yes he is meeting with Houston likely to sign 5 year 40 million reported like 3 hours ago

Nothing was reported....Lin was meeting with Rockets. Who said he was gonna sign anything?

waveycrockett
07-03-2012, 10:09 PM
Knicks have already stated that they are letting the Market set Lin's value..meaning go out and get your interviews and have teams give you offers and we'll go from there..not a big deal if Lin does


Nothing was reported....Lin was meeting with Rockets. Who said he was gonna sign anything?

Denial

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 10:09 PM
Knicks have already stated that they are letting the Market set Lin's value..meaning go out and get your interviews and have teams give you offers and we'll go from there..not a big deal if Lin does

Seems like a dumb concept. Let the other teams determine your worth. Sounds like a good way to spend way too much money. A solid business with good management would tell Lin "we can give you x amount of money over x amount of years. Take it or leave it".

Having him set his market allows teams to manipulate that market and inflate it.

What do you expect from a team with 1 playoff win in 12 years though.

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2012, 10:10 PM
Denial

Your gonna be pissed if Lin doesnt sign arent you?

Jroz
07-03-2012, 10:10 PM
Denial

not denial..just state facts man..read a week ago that Grunwald is letting the market set Lin's price..instead of offering him something, another team offering him double and Lin getting turned off by the Knicks. He is meeting them tomorrow chief, yea they may offfer him 40 over 3 or whatever **** numbers you came up with but dont make it like it was released 3 hours ago by someone more crediable than your friends twitter account lol

KB-Pau-DH2012
07-03-2012, 10:11 PM
LA...forget Nash..go get Howard damnit!

I think they want to entice Dwight and have him sign an extension by acquiring Nash.

ball4reel
07-03-2012, 10:11 PM
Denial

Link???:rolleyes:

Punk
07-03-2012, 10:11 PM
novak would probably be included with shump. both of them make about 1.5 mil and you need to send out like 7+mil

Douglas - 2 million
Jordan - 762k
Balkman - 1.6 million
Gadzric - 1.3 million
Shumpert - 1.6 million


+ Baron/Bibby's numbers can make it happen. Novak can be thrown in and take Shumpert out.

We aren't losing both.

waveycrockett
07-03-2012, 10:13 PM
Your gonna be pissed if Lin doesnt sign arent you?

I actually want him with the Knicks over Nash so no

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 10:13 PM
Douglas - 2 million
Jordan - 762k
Balkman - 1.6 million
Gadzric - 1.3 million
Shumpert - 1.6 million


+ Baron/Bibby's numbers can make it happen. Novak can be thrown in and take Shumpert out.

We aren't losing both.

Why would the Suns take on 6+ new contracts just to trade nash. There isn't enough talent in those players to make that trade worthwhile for them. They might as well spend 7 mil in free agency and get something worth their money.

Jroz
07-03-2012, 10:13 PM
Seems like a dumb concept. Let the other teams determine your worth. Sounds like a good way to spend way too much money. A solid business with good management would tell Lin "we can give you x amount of money over x amount of years. Take it or leave it".

Having him set his market allows teams to manipulate that market and inflate it.

What do you expect from a team with 1 playoff win in 12 years though.

You're looking at it the wrong way man..if you dictate your players value than you're setting yourself up for faliure...Hey Lin we'll offer you 10 mil for 3 years ok?...Houston and Toronto come in and say we'll offer you 30 over 3..Lin thinks, wow thanks NY....everyone already knows that Lin is going to get huge offers...its pointless to talk to him until he is through...if you tell him take it or leave it he leaves and NY doesnt have a point guard LOL..its easy to say it from a Non Knicks fan i'm assuming..but you're talking about Dolan and NY here..not affraid to spend money to keep the only guard we have right now

ball4reel
07-03-2012, 10:13 PM
Seems like a dumb concept. Let the other teams determine your worth. Sounds like a good way to spend way too much money. A solid business with good management would tell Lin "we can give you x amount of money over x amount of years. Take it or leave it".

Having him set his market allows teams to manipulate that market and inflate it.

What do you expect from a team with 1 playoff win in 12 years though.

Why dont you go check on how your super star is doing and let us Knick fans worry about our 1 playoff win in the last 50 yrs ;)

KB-Pau-DH2012
07-03-2012, 10:14 PM
I still don't understand why Nash would want to pair up with Amare if D'Antoni isn't there to have a run-and-gun offense.

oak2455
07-03-2012, 10:14 PM
I actually want him with the Knicks over Nash so no

they want both:eyebrow::eyebrow:

waveycrockett
07-03-2012, 10:14 PM
Douglas - 2 million
Jordan - 762k
Balkman - 1.6 million
Gadzric - 1.3 million
Shumpert - 1.6 million


+ Baron/Bibby's numbers can make it happen. Novak can be thrown in and take Shumpert out.

We aren't losing both.

Yea im sure will do this trade for Dleague players.

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 10:15 PM
Why dont you go check on how your super star is doing and let us Knick fans worry about our 1 playoff win in the last 50 yrs ;)

Not a Bulls fan.

#fail #tryagain #championship!

waveycrockett
07-03-2012, 10:15 PM
they want both:eyebrow::eyebrow:

If it costs them shump im all for it. Only way they get Nash without lin.

NYMetros
07-03-2012, 10:16 PM
This would be a terrific get for the Knicks.

Of course, Carmelo would probably have to defer a little bit and let Nash set him up rather than Carmelo just going iso trying to create his own shot. Someone will need to explain this to him if Nash joins them.

oak2455
07-03-2012, 10:16 PM
Yea im sure will do this trade for Dleague players.

No not that Net team from last year:D

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2012, 10:16 PM
Yea im sure will do this trade for Dleague players.

Well you want Orlando to trade Dwight Howard to you guys for your DLeague players, so whats the problem?

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 10:16 PM
You're looking at it the wrong way man..if you dictate your players value than you're setting yourself up for faliure...Hey Lin we'll offer you 10 mil for 3 years ok?...Houston and Toronto come in and say we'll offer you 30 over 3..Lin thinks, wow thanks NY....everyone already knows that Lin is going to get huge offers...its pointless to talk to him until he is through...if you tell him take it or leave it he leaves and NY doesnt have a point guard LOL..its easy to say it from a Non Knicks fan i'm assuming..but you're talking about Dolan and NY here..not affraid to spend money to keep the only guard we have right now

He is a restricted free agent. NY shouldn't have given him the chance to test the market. They could have given him $15-20 Mil over 3 years instead they will be paying $33-40 mil over 3/4 years because they let him dictate his own market.

Jroz
07-03-2012, 10:17 PM
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA

Let's not forget, Steve Nash was recently quoted as saying, "For me, it would be hard to put on a Lakers jersey. Thatís just the way it is."

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2012, 10:17 PM
No not that Net team from last year:D

Damn man....you beat me to it.

Jroz
07-03-2012, 10:18 PM
He is a restricted free agent. NY shouldn't have given him the chance to test the market. They could have given him $15-20 Mil over 3 years instead they will be paying $33-40 mil over 3/4 years because they let him dictate his own market.

wrong again, Lin is quoted and also from his agent about wanting to explore the free agent market..he wants to see what he can get out there..yes obviously we would want to talk to him day 1 and get it over with but he WANTED to test FA

Bigbadmoffo
07-03-2012, 10:19 PM
Why is Nash doing this! If he wAnts a ring why would he destroy the Knicks bench? Seems greedy if true. Play for money and your country or take a pay cut for a ring!

oak2455
07-03-2012, 10:19 PM
Damn man....you beat me to it.

:clap:

Kashmir13579
07-03-2012, 10:20 PM
I actually want him with the Knicks over Nash so no

they want both:eyebrow::eyebrow:greed

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 10:21 PM
wrong again, Lin is quoted and also from his agent about wanting to explore the free agent market..he wants to see what he can get out there..yes obviously we would want to talk to him day 1 and get it over with but he WANTED to test FA

Just a difference of opinion. I dont like giving players the cards to dictate their market. You give a price and if a team is dumb enough to offer over it let him go. Instead teams can make outlandish offers and the Knicks have to determine if they should keep him or not.

waveycrockett
07-03-2012, 10:21 PM
No not that Net team from last year:D

How did it feel losing to one?

Bigbadmoffo
07-03-2012, 10:22 PM
I have trouble believing Nash would do this.

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 10:23 PM
I have trouble believing Nash would do this.

I have a hard time believing the Suns would resign Nash just to get a bunch of D-League rubbish and extra contracts, when they could just cut ties with nash and sign whomever they want in free agency with that money.

oak2455
07-03-2012, 10:24 PM
How did it feel losing to one?

Playoffs were fun:p

waveycrockett
07-03-2012, 10:26 PM
Playoffs were fun:p

You guys found a silver lining in being humiliated. Congrats...

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2012, 10:27 PM
You guys found a silver lining in being humiliated. Congrats...

Isnt that the life motto of a Nets fan?

oak2455
07-03-2012, 10:27 PM
You guys found a silver lining in being humiliated. Congrats...

you guys have been doing it for years:clap::clap:

oak2455
07-03-2012, 10:29 PM
Isnt that the life motto of a Nets fan?

:laugh:

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 10:29 PM
you guys have been doing it for years:clap::clap:

Summary: I don't mind losing as long as 28 other teams are as well.

xxplayerxx23
07-03-2012, 10:29 PM
Why does Wavey always bash the Knicks? Worry about your team, always negative on the Knicks. Nets are looking good go pay attention to them

waveycrockett
07-03-2012, 10:30 PM
Isnt that the life motto of a Nets fan?

Huh? David Lee was your best player for how many years?

Knick_Fever
07-03-2012, 10:31 PM
so they get nash, lose their bench and role players? lol

Hey, still got a better bench than the Heat's. Besides, who cares, its STEVE freakin NASH!!!

Punk
07-03-2012, 10:31 PM
I have a hard time believing the Suns would resign Nash just to get a bunch of D-League rubbish and extra contracts, when they could just cut ties with nash and sign whomever they want in free agency with that money.

They were supposed to get Fields or Shumpert to go along with the rebuild. They clearly don't want to lose him for nothing.

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 10:31 PM
Hey, still got a better bench than the Heat's.

4-1 says otherwise.

In other news Eric Gordon to the Suns. Guess they will be rebuilding without the Knicks D-League trash.

Punk
07-03-2012, 10:32 PM
Huh? David Lee was your best player for how many years?

1 year.

Nice try, though.

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 10:34 PM
They were supposed to get Fields or Shumpert to go along with the rebuild. They clearly don't want to lose him for nothing.

Yes they really want a player who is recovering from an ACL injury and might not play this next season. And Fields cannot be traded because of the offer sheet he signed.

So once again. Why would the Suns collect a bunch of worthless contracts and players to fill a roster with mediocre talent. When they could just let Nash walk and use that money to sign a player with some talent like they just did (Eric Gordon)

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2012, 10:35 PM
1 year.

Nice try, though.

Thanks...I was gonna say 2 tops.

waveycrockett
07-03-2012, 10:36 PM
1 year.

Nice try, though.

Lmao denial

GiantsSwaGG
07-03-2012, 10:37 PM
Yes they really want a player who is recovering from an ACL injury and might not play this next season. And Fields cannot be traded because of the offer sheet he signed.

So once again. Why would the Suns collect a bunch of worthless contracts and players to fill a roster with mediocre talent. When they could just let Nash walk and use that money to sign a player with some talent like they just did (Eric Gordon)

Didn't the Hawks do that?

waveycrockett
07-03-2012, 10:37 PM
Thanks...I was gonna say 2 tops.

Your correct. I guess you guys dont realize i live in nyc and watch ur team

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2012, 10:38 PM
Lmao denial

is denial your word for everything?????

Besides there is no denial there 1 or 2 years tops. Anything more than that you are either crazy or ********.

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 10:38 PM
Didn't the Hawks do that?

Yeah and it fell under the category of idiotic. The suns management seems to be a little bit more rational than Atlanta's.

Punk
07-03-2012, 10:38 PM
Yes they really want a player who is recovering from an ACL injury and might not play this next season. And Fields cannot be traded because of the offer sheet he signed.

So once again. Why would the Suns collect a bunch of worthless contracts and players to fill a roster with mediocre talent. When they could just let Nash walk and use that money to sign a player with some talent like they just did (Eric Gordon)
Shump will be back by January. The contracts are expiring contracts + 3 million in cash. 2 of the 3 traded players are rebuilding prospects.

You can continue to ask "why" but they are interested in it. And that's all that matters.

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 10:39 PM
is denial your word for everything?????

Besides there is no denial there 1 or 2 years tops. Anything more than that you are either crazy or ********.

I was confused as to why Lee was let go of. I liked watching him play and he was a nice role player. He isn't amazing but could have been a better version of Nick Collison. Solid leader as well.

Knick_Fever
07-03-2012, 10:39 PM
4-1 says otherwise.

In other news Eric Gordon to the Suns. Guess they will be rebuilding without the Knicks D-League trash.

Lol, dude open your eyes, that was all Lebron. You surround him with our bench, its more like 4-0.

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2012, 10:40 PM
Your correct. I guess you guys dont realize i live in nyc and watch ur team

Why? you dont get the Nyets?

oak2455
07-03-2012, 10:40 PM
Your correct. I guess you guys dont realize i live in nyc and watch ur team because I have no team

what?:D

waveycrockett
07-03-2012, 10:40 PM
is denial your word for everything?????

Besides there is no denial there 1 or 2 years tops. Anything more than that you are either crazy or ********.

Just saying for you guys to be calling another team a joke is irony

Punk
07-03-2012, 10:40 PM
Lmao denial

He had 20 & 10 in 1 season and got an All-star nod. Your an idiot.

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 10:41 PM
Shump will be back by January. The contracts are expiring contracts + 3 million in cash. 2 of the 3 traded players are rebuilding prospects.

You can continue to ask "why" but they are interested in it. And that's all that matters.

No one said they were interested. It was what was offered. If they were interested wouldn't there be word saying so from the Suns management. Instead we keep hearing that other teams are becoming involved. The logical reasoning would be they aren't thrilled by the offer and are looking at other options.

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 10:42 PM
Lol, dude open your eyes, that was all Lebron. You surround him with our bench, its more like 4-0.

didn't their bench absolutely destroy OKC.

Point CTB22

waveycrockett
07-03-2012, 10:42 PM
Why? you dont get the Nyets?

I got league pass too and watch a bunch of other teams. Is that a problems? Yes i also watch ny nets

xxplayerxx23
07-03-2012, 10:42 PM
Lmao denial

And devin harris was your best player for a year? Your point, You guys havent been good in 6 years. Just like before our last 2 years we werent good for 10 years. No biggie both up and coming teams now.

waveycrockett
07-03-2012, 10:43 PM
He had 20 & 10 in 1 season and got an All-star nod. Your an idiot.

I miss knicks fans pimping lee. Memories

Punk
07-03-2012, 10:43 PM
I was confused as to why Lee was let go of. I liked watching him play and he was a nice role player. He isn't amazing but could have been a better version of Nick Collison. Solid leader as well.

I get you are a troll but he obviously wanted 10 million. He wasn't going to get it here with that FA 2010 class.

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 10:44 PM
And devin harris was your best player for a year? Your point, You guys havent been good in 6 years. Just like before our last 2 years we werent good for 10 years. No biggie both up and coming teams now.

meh

Bigbadmoffo
07-03-2012, 10:45 PM
http://basketball.******.com/wiretap/222042/Nash_Giving_Knicks_Time_To_Work_On_Sign_And_Trade

Real Link please?

Punk
07-03-2012, 10:45 PM
I miss knicks fans pimping lee. Memories

He's still a great player. Not a true star like how Nets fans view Humpries.

Get lost.

Gritz
07-03-2012, 10:46 PM
Gang Green we wavy!!

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2012, 10:46 PM
Just saying for you guys to be calling another team a joke is irony

So because David Lee may have or may not have been the best for a couple of years. This was a point of debate for you??? wow

Since you like making fun of the Knicks first round exits so much, let have a riot with the Nets first round exits prior the year 2000 hmmm

1997 first round exit
1993 first round exit
1992 first round exit
1991 first round exit
1985 first round exit
1984 first round exit
1982 first round exit
1981 first round exit
1978 first round exit


Funny as hell dont you think?

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 10:46 PM
I get you are a troll but he obviously wanted 10 million. He wasn't going to get it here with that FA 2010 class.

It was a serious question. I know he wanted a decent contract but he played consistently for an entire year at least. Managment wants to let Lin set a marketprice for himself based on 1/2 season of ok play, yet Lee proves himself and develops consistently over 3 years and then gets his walking papers.

Seems odd.

I am just saying I like Lee and thought it was odd.

Punk
07-03-2012, 10:47 PM
No one said they were interested. It was what was offered. If they were interested wouldn't there be word saying so from the Suns management. Instead we keep hearing that other teams are becoming involved. The logical reasoning would be they aren't thrilled by the offer and are looking at other options.

Brossuard, Ric B, Aldridge have all said PHX is interested and open. Try again.

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 10:48 PM
So because David Lee may have or may not have been the best for a couple of years. This was a point of debate for you??? wow

Since you like making fun of the Knicks first round exits so much, let have a riot with the Nets first round exits prior the year 2000 hmmm

1997 first round exit
1993 first round exit
1992 first round exit
1991 first round exit
1985 first round exit
1984 first round exit
1982 first round exit
1981 first round exit
1978 first round exit


Funny as hell dont you think?

Well you open yourself up for ridicule. You know since you haven't hung a Championship banner since 1973. 40 years of pointlessness.

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 10:49 PM
Brossuard, Ric B, Aldridge have all said PHX is interested and open. Try again.

But Suns beat writers are quiet. The talking heads that are known for being wrong are yapping but the insiders within the franchise aren't saying chit.

Knick_Fever
07-03-2012, 10:50 PM
didn't their bench absolutely destroy OKC.

Point CTB22

Lol, yeah all because of Lebron's demand for double teams, and they only got killed on the last game. You obviously didn't read my last post clearly, ALL LEBRON. You and I would've hit threes in that game for the Heat with all that time left wide open.

Bigbadmoffo
07-03-2012, 10:51 PM
Knicks have a rep for throwing away youth and building materials. Knicks have the name to attract the big names but they never build properly

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 10:53 PM
Lol, yeah all because of Lebron's demand for double teams, and they only got killed on the last game. You obviously didn't read my last post clearly, ALL LEBRON. You and I would've hit threes in that game for the Heat with all that time left wide open.

I guess Norris Cole wasn't playing game 4.

knicksfan42
07-03-2012, 10:54 PM
Just a difference of opinion. I dont like giving players the cards to dictate their market. You give a price and if a team is dumb enough to offer over it let him go. Instead teams can make outlandish offers and the Knicks have to determine if they should keep him or not.

Lin would have tested the waters no matter what, he just got a brand spankin new agent just for the occasion. No doubt he would have talked to other teams.

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 10:56 PM
Lin would have tested the waters no matter what, he just got a brand spankin new agent just for the occasion. No doubt he would have talked to other teams.

I understand he would still talk to other teams. But I would have been the first to make an offer to Lin and set the market. They could hold back and give a lower offer than their max they would truly pay. But at least make the first move and create the market.

knicksfan42
07-03-2012, 10:57 PM
Yes they really want a player who is recovering from an ACL injury and might not play this next season. And Fields cannot be traded because of the offer sheet he signed.

So once again. Why would the Suns collect a bunch of worthless contracts and players to fill a roster with mediocre talent. When they could just let Nash walk and use that money to sign a player with some talent like they just did (Eric Gordon)

Um, Nash is a FA, the only way the Knicks can acquire Nash is through a sign and trade, but other teams who have the cap space can outright sign him.

KB-Pau-DH2012
07-03-2012, 10:58 PM
There's a thread that says Kidd to New York?

Does that mean Nash is no longer an option?

knicksfan42
07-03-2012, 10:59 PM
I understand he would still talk to other teams. But I would have been the first to make an offer to Lin and set the market. They could hold back and give a lower offer than their max they would truly pay. But at least make the first move and create the market.

Nothing would change. Lin is smart and he would have absolutely been looking for the best offers. With Houston losing Dragic and Lowry's desire to be traded there is no doubt in my mind the Rocket would be making the same offer they're making right now.

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 11:00 PM
Um, Nash is a FA, the only way the Knicks can acquire Nash is through a sign and trade, but other teams who have the cap space can outright sign him.

And you aer proving my point. Why would the suns care about the Knicks' problems. They can walk away from Nash and not have contracts forced on them that are worthless.

knicksfan42
07-03-2012, 11:00 PM
There's a thread that says Kidd to New York?

Does that mean Nash is no longer an option?

It means they either try to get Nash or they resign Lin. Kidd is going to be a back up.

Punk
07-03-2012, 11:01 PM
Knicks have a rep for throwing away youth and building materials. Knicks have the name to attract the big names but they never build properly

Um What? We trying desperately NOT to include Iman in any trades. Lin will be retained.

What are you talking about? We traded our assets for stars. Which has been done by everyone.

knicksfan42
07-03-2012, 11:01 PM
And you aer proving my point. Why would the suns care about the Knicks' problems. They can walk away from Nash and not have contracts forced on them that are worthless.

I think Shumpert is a bit overrated by Knicks fans, but he is far from worthless.

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 11:02 PM
I think Shumpert is a bit overrated by Knicks fans, but he is far from worthless.

He is worthless at this point because of his knee. He is a good defender but how will his lateral movement be affected by the acl problem.

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2012, 11:03 PM
He is worthless at this point because of his knee. He is a good defender but how will his lateral movement be affected by the acl problem.

are you a medical doctor?

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 11:06 PM
are you a medical doctor?

I have played basketball for 18 years from Y-ball to AAU to HS to USAF-Europe team. I have seen ACL injuries and they are tough to come back from. The injury doesn't mean it will happen again in the future (i think a 5% chance it happens again). But it does affect motion and flexibility of the knee. It can take 2-3 years to fully get back to pre-injury form.

Those are just concerns I would have as an organization.

knicksfan42
07-03-2012, 11:08 PM
He is worthless at this point because of his knee. He is a good defender but how will his lateral movement be affected by the acl problem.

No he isn't the Suns have Grant Hill and they had STAT, their medical staff does wonders. Shumpert would certainly not be worthless, he is a chea, making 1.7-2.7 million for the next 3 years, guard with a good amount of upside. Its a low risk high reward move. Instead of just letting Nash go, they get a very promising, cheap, defensive minded all rookie first teamer in return. Not to mention the fact that everything I read this year says that Nash and the Suns organization have a very good relationship, that they would make him a good offer and if he refuses they'll help him get the best contract he can get. If he wants NY I can certainly see the Suns doing him the favor.

triple5real
07-03-2012, 11:12 PM
No one said they were interested. It was what was offered. If they were interested wouldn't there be word saying so from the Suns management. Instead we keep hearing that other teams are becoming involved. The logical reasoning would be they aren't thrilled by the offer and are looking at other options.

They are (Suns) not looking at other options because Nash is Unrestricted the only reason they would agree to a S&T is to do Nash a favor. All this is up to Steve Nash. The Suns will not be greatly affected by the new contracts because they can cut two of them right away plus the 3 mill in cash sent their way will offset TD's contract.

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2012, 11:12 PM
I have played basketball for 18 years from Y-ball to AAU to HS to USAF-Europe team. I have seen ACL injuries and they are tough to come back from. The injury doesn't mean it will happen again in the future (i think a 5% chance it happens again). But it does affect motion and flexibility of the knee. It can take 2-3 years to fully get back to pre-injury form.

Those are just concerns I would have as an organization.

So impressive as all that is, the answer is still no. Unless you've seen this particular injury for yourself, you're not sure how long it will take Iman to recover.

smood999
07-03-2012, 11:20 PM
Again, everyone saying why would Pho do it are misunderstanding how it works...non guaranteed contracts...they are just there to make the salaries work...they will all be released after...it's essentially the same thing as Knicks signing Nash outright...Pho just does it so Nash could get paid...Pho gets a trade exception as well and the only guaranteed contract is Toney Douglas expiring 2 mil...Knicks throw in 3 mil it's covered with an extra mil to pocket...

Bosh was signed and traded to MIA in a similar fashion
Tyson Chandler was signed and traded to NY for Andy Rautins...that's how Dallas was able to get Lamar Odom for nothing..he was traded into their trade exception...
It helps the team losing the player and the player get more money... that is the purpose

Bigbadmoffo
07-03-2012, 11:20 PM
Um What? We trying desperately NOT to include Iman in any trades. Lin will be retained.

What are you talking about? We traded our assets for stars. Which has been done by everyone.

I mean in general. The Knicks have traded a lotta picks and young talent in the last decade.

Bigbadmoffo
07-03-2012, 11:23 PM
No reliable sources are reporting this do I'll just wait for it to happen.

ewmania
07-03-2012, 11:26 PM
shump is our prime perimeter defender... no deal

i love nash but we struggle on the defense end if shump isn't there... him and chandler was a big reason for our defense

Knick_Fever
07-03-2012, 11:27 PM
I guess Norris Cole wasn't playing game 4.

Lol, you said it, one game, where was he the rest of the series, yet again the playoffs? You're digging yourself a deeper hole man let it go, Knicks bench is better, everyone knows that.

koreancabbage
07-03-2012, 11:27 PM
Good for Nash, even though I want him in Toronto. If he can get SIMILAR $$$ in NYC, I would do it.

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 11:35 PM
So impressive as all that is, the answer is still no. Unless you've seen this particular injury for yourself, you're not sure how long it will take Iman to recover.

I never claimed to be a doctor. You asked the asanine question if you recall. I stated an opinion on the injury after seeing it and basing it off the history of other players with similary problems.

Nice try troll

Bigbadmoffo
07-03-2012, 11:35 PM
So further research showed me that this statement was made before the Landry signing and Landry was a huge part of this.

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 11:36 PM
Lol, you said it, one game, where was he the rest of the series, yet again the playoffs? You're digging yourself a deeper hole man let it go, Knicks bench is better, everyone knows that.

He was also huge in game 5 of the Finals. Seeing that he is a rookie he wasn't going to play a lot of time. But in the time he did play throughout the playoffs he made limited mistakes and made quite a few nice shots. That is all you can expect from a bench or role player.

WE WON THE SHIP AND OUSTED YOU ROUND 1 4-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!What does that say about your team?

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2012, 11:37 PM
I never claimed to be a doctor. You asked the asanine question if you recall. I stated an opinion on the injury after seeing it and basing it off the history of other players with similary problems.

Nice try troll

Yeah, but its a pretty stupid opinion. Just so you know.

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 11:37 PM
They are (Suns) not looking at other options because Nash is Unrestricted the only reason they would agree to a S&T is to do Nash a favor. All this is up to Steve Nash. The Suns will not be greatly affected by the new contracts because they can cut two of them right away plus the 3 mill in cash sent their way will offset TD's contract.

Wrong LAL would have to do a sign and trade as well.

Max.This
07-03-2012, 11:39 PM
I never claimed to be a doctor. You asked the asanine question if you recall. I stated an opinion on the injury after seeing it and basing it off the history of other players with similary problems.

Nice try troll

He's going to be just fine. I dont know why people bother arguing about things that neither side can prove until he steps on the court.

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 11:40 PM
Yeah, but its a pretty stupid opinion. Just so you know.

It is a stupid opinion that an integral part of the knee which help with lateral movement could affect lateral movement of the knee? That seems pretty logical, and it is important because Shump plays defense and what is important on defense.......lateral movement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was pointing out the question marks surrounding the injury. Those are facts, no opinion. I never said I didn't think he would recover fully. I did however state the average duration it takes to recover and questioned whether it would be a logical move for the Suns to take on a contract of a player with those problems.

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 11:41 PM
He's going to be just fine. I dont know why people bother arguing about things that neither side can prove until he steps on the court.

No one is trying to prove anything. I am stating there is a history with this injury that it can cause short/longterm problems with lateratl movement, an intregral part of defense (which is Shump's bread and butter). Why trade for a player with this looming questionmark over his head?

smood999
07-03-2012, 11:41 PM
Knicks need to move on...the most they can offer now without Fields and not including Shumpert is 6 mil a yr via sign and trade...

jon32
07-03-2012, 11:44 PM
Knicks need to move on...the most they can offer now without Fields and not including Shumpert is 6 mil a yr via sign and trade...

if the knicks move on and sign kidd or somthing....could the raptors then sign nash and back outta the fields deal leaving new york with him again ?

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2012, 11:46 PM
It is a stupid opinion that an integral part of the knee which help with lateral movement could affect lateral movement of the knee? That seems pretty logical, and it is important because Shump plays defense and what is important on defense.......lateral movement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was pointing out the question marks surrounding the injury. Those are facts, no opinion. I never said I didn't think he would recover fully. I did however state the average duration it takes to recover and questioned whether it would be a logical move for the Suns to take on a contract of a player with those problems.

your just making a guess based on

A) your hatred of the Knicks

B) other situations

You have no idea how a 22 Y/O is going to recover from this type of injury. It could be a lot faster than the typical patient.

oak2455
07-03-2012, 11:47 PM
Jared Zwerling: Don't underestimate voice of Amare in NY. He was confident star players would follow him. His recruiting of former teammate (Nash) may help. 4 minutes ago

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/tag/new_york_knicks#ixzz1zcdONYTq

ChitownBears22
07-03-2012, 11:51 PM
your just making a guess based on

A) your hatred of the Knicks

B) other situations

You have no idea how a 22 Y/O is going to recover from this type of injury. It could be a lot faster than the typical patient.

I don't hate the Knicks, I hate the fan base.

And my assumptions aren't because of the high troll percentage within that fanbase. It is based off of multiple players suffering a similar injury. Each ACL tear is different and can create different results. You could have a quick recovery or you could never have a recovery at all. Based on averages from similar tears in the past Shumpert will recover but in order to get full mobility laterally it could take a couple years. He can play on it with 6-8 months after surgery but it wont be the same for a while.

Those are red flags to a team who might sign a player. They have to weigh the risks. Is he worth his contract if not 100% healthy, when there are alternatives that are equal in price and 100%.

Edit: I also never said anything was concrete and it was opinion based on previous cases. Take with a grain of salt but at least look at it logically and realize there are red flags and question marks that the Suns will have to take notice of.

justinnum1
07-03-2012, 11:51 PM
If amare is such a good recruiter nash would have signed already

smood999
07-03-2012, 11:53 PM
If amare is such a good recruiter nash would have signed already

Yeah but he's good enough that Nash is actually contemplating taking half to play with the Knicks...if he had nothing to think about he'd be in Toronto already 3/36 at the age of 38 is unheard of..y would he not take that?

smood999
07-03-2012, 11:55 PM
if the knicks move on and sign kidd or somthing....could the raptors then sign nash and back outta the fields deal leaving new york with him again ?

Fields could back out and allow a S&T to Pho but unless Pho is giving him the same amount I doubt it...

Tor could also back out...

EastNYLos
07-03-2012, 11:55 PM
kinda hard when fields is leaving and we could've used him for a trader offer..

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2012, 11:55 PM
I don't hate the Knicks, I hate the fan base.

And my assumptions aren't because of the high troll percentage within that fanbase. It is based off of multiple players suffering a similar injury. Each ACL tear is different and can create different results. You could have a quick recovery or you could never have a recovery at all. Based on averages from similar tears in the past Shumpert will recover but in order to get full mobility laterally it could take a couple years. He can play on it with 6-8 months after surgery but it wont be the same for a while.

Those are red flags to a team who might sign a player. They have to weigh the risks. Is he worth his contract if not 100% healthy, when there are alternatives that are equal in price and 100%.

Edit: I also never said anything was concrete and it was opinion based on previous cases. Take with a grain of salt but at least look at it logically and realize there are red flags and question marks that the Suns will have to take notice of.

So we're just back to the beginning where I said your not a MD and you dont know jack schitt about this particular injury and this particular case and you were just throwing out generalizations.

Thank you and have a nice evening :pity:

babyang04
07-03-2012, 11:56 PM
If amare is such a good recruiter nash would have signed already

How bout you just keep ur mouth shut ? I never seen someone on here like you. You got to get out and enjoy your life a little bit, instead of always coming on here and bashing the knicks all the time. Grow the hell up dude.

Punk
07-03-2012, 11:56 PM
Nash signing is clear. The way he wants to come is the issue. We are not under the cap therefore a S&T is the hold up.


Good god. Smarten up.

justinnum1
07-03-2012, 11:58 PM
Yeah but he's good enough that Nash is actually contemplating taking half to play with the Knicks...if he had nothing to think about he'd be in Toronto already 3/36 at the age of 38 is unheard of..y would he not take that?

why would he want to play in NY? He isn't winning a ring there, might as well go play in toronto and get paid. IF he wanted a chance at a ring he would go to a team that is an actual contender.

oak2455
07-03-2012, 11:59 PM
How bout you just keep ur mouth shut ? I never seen someone on here like you. You got to get out and enjoy your life a little bit, instead of always coming on here and bashing the knicks all the time. Grow the hell up dude.

then he :cry::cry::cry: to the mods true story:facepalm::facepalm:

ChitownBears22
07-04-2012, 12:00 AM
So we're just back to the beginning where I said your not a MD and you dont know jack schitt about this particular injury and this particular case and you were just throwing out generalizations.

Thank you and have a nice evening :pity:

I know quite a bit about ACL tears and basketball. You don't have to be an MD to learn about the human body. In fact I believe it was DaVinci who studies the anatomy of the human body by disecting cadavers. It is amazing what you can learn through study. The fact I don't have a piece of paper doesn't mean I don't have a general understanding of the knee. Do you I scans of his knee pre and post surgery. No and I never claimed I did.

You are the one getting offended by my opinion. You could have read it and deemed it wrong and been on your way. But instead you got butthurt and had to try and make me look like an idiot. However, I never claimed it as fact and said it was opinion.

You sir are a troll worhty of the name.

justinnum1
07-04-2012, 12:01 AM
How bout you just keep ur mouth shut ? I never seen someone on here like you. You got to get out and enjoy your life a little bit, instead of always coming on here and bashing the knicks all the time. Grow the hell up dude.

No need to get upset. If you dont like my posts use the ignore feature and stay on topic.


then he :cry::cry::cry: to the mods true story:facepalm::facepalm:

you too, keep it on topic

and use the ignore instead of always crying on here about my posts

babyang04
07-04-2012, 12:06 AM
No need to get upset. If you dont like my posts use the ignore feature and stay on topic.



you too, keep it on topic

and use the ignore instead of always crying on here about my posts

Why dont you just come in here and stay positive & have something nice to say about somebody except for your guys ? Your a negative person.

xxplayerxx23
07-04-2012, 12:06 AM
I would offer lin+fillers for nash and see if they would do it. If not so be it move on and go out and keep our players and get a backup big and a backup sg

ChitownBears22
07-04-2012, 12:07 AM
Why dont you just come in here and stay positive & have something nice to say about somebody except for your guys ? Your a negative person.

Maybe it is because most fans are delusional and overrate their players and some people feel it is neccessary to bring them to reality.

ChitownBears22
07-04-2012, 12:09 AM
I would offer lin+fillers for nash and see if they would do it. If not so be it move on and go out and keep our players and get a backup big and a backup sg

I am confused why the Knicks want to give up young pieces of the team and role players to sign a player for a couple years who has a history of injuries during an 82 game season ( back). He seems like a high risk medium reward type player.

On the Lin idea, if a team signs him to an offer sheet the Knicks cannot trade him. Possibility is there with Houston and Dallas being interested.

noodle
07-04-2012, 12:10 AM
Maybe Justin and chitown are only bold behind their keyboards?

Mind your ****ing business gentlemen.

justinnum1
07-04-2012, 12:10 AM
I would offer lin+fillers for nash and see if they would do it. If not so be it move on and go out and keep our players and get a backup big and a backup sg

now that would be a smart move for the knicks, get rid of lin who i think will be exposed by the elite teams and get nash who will help the knicks far more than lin can imo



Maybe Justin and chitown are only bold behind their keyboards?

Mind your ****ing business gentlemen.
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/200/420/BRTky.jpg?1321408042

oak2455
07-04-2012, 12:11 AM
Maybe Justin and chitown are only bold behind their keyboards?

Mind your ****ing business gentlemen.

:ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno:

xxplayerxx23
07-04-2012, 12:11 AM
I am confused why the Knicks want to give up young pieces of the team and role players to sign a player for a couple years who has a history of injuries during an 82 game season ( back). He seems like a high risk medium reward type player.

On the Lin idea, if a team signs him to an offer sheet the Knicks cannot trade him. Possibility is there with Houston and Dallas being interested.

Im not a huge lin fan. Nash legit makes them a dangours team. COntenders for sure IMO. But your right on that I just hope he doesnt accept there offer lol.

ChitownBears22
07-04-2012, 12:12 AM
Maybe Justin and chitown are only bold behind their keyboards?

Mind your ****ing business gentlemen.

I don't threaten or act tough online. I state opinions in the same manner I speak. I call my bosses ideas stupid and idiotic all the time and guess what, if done and then supported with logical reasoning you can get by in life.

Just because you think of an idea that is supported by fallacy on delusion, it doesn't make it a good idea. And forums are areas for debate. If you can't hand reasoning and retorts GTFO.

ChitownBears22
07-04-2012, 12:15 AM
Im not a huge lin fan. Nash legit makes them a dangours team. COntenders for sure IMO. But your right on that I just hope he doesnt accept there offer lol.

I am with you on Lin. The potential is there, but there is a price to pay to try to mine that potential. Nash would be a good fit. I question his back a little bit to wonder if he can make it 3 years. The only thing is chemistry wise how will the team react. Can Melo move without the ball and make plays alongside Nash, or will it be a battle for the ball on the court.

I mean you are spending all that money on Chandler, Melo, and Amare. You might as well make a push for a player like Nash. It comes down to betting your future prospects in order to get a quick title. Quick titles tries fail often and that is why I am a big fan of building within your organization.

knicksfan42
07-04-2012, 12:16 AM
I am confused why the Knicks want to give up young pieces of the team and role players to sign a player for a couple years who has a history of injuries during an 82 game season ( back). He seems like a high risk medium reward type player.

On the Lin idea, if a team signs him to an offer sheet the Knicks cannot trade him. Possibility is there with Houston and Dallas being interested.

A lot of things must be confusing you, must be hard going through life not knowing what the **** you're talking about. Back Problems? Oh you mean the problem he's had since birth. The congenital one. Yea not a risk.


As for medium reward, I direct you to the Suns roster this season, he almost got that team into the playoffs and in the East they would've made it for sure. Nash has a superstar caliber impact on whichever team he's on.

justinnum1
07-04-2012, 12:18 AM
A lot of things must be confusing you, must be hard going through life not knowing what the **** you're talking about. Back Problems? Oh you mean the problem he's had since birth. The congenital one. Yea not a risk.


As for medium reward, I direct you to the Suns roster this season, he almost got that team into the playoffs and in the East they would've made it for sure. Nash has a superstar caliber impact on whichever team he's on.

Good point, nash makes the knicks favorites.

xxplayerxx23
07-04-2012, 12:19 AM
I am with you on Lin. The potential is there, but there is a price to pay to try to mine that potential. Nash would be a good fit. I question his back a little bit to wonder if he can make it 3 years. The only thing is chemistry wise how will the team react. Can Melo move without the ball and make plays alongside Nash, or will it be a battle for the ball on the court.

I mean you are spending all that money on Chandler, Melo, and Amare. You might as well make a push for a player like Nash. It comes down to betting your future prospects in order to get a quick title. Quick titles tries fail often and that is why I am a big fan of building within your organization.

I agree. Im not willing to pay a huge amount for lin. I think Nash would make amare an allstar again. Melo would thrive IMO, He would still get his isos and is good without the ball. Nash hasnt had a huge injury history I think he would make it fine

ChitownBears22
07-04-2012, 12:19 AM
A lot of things must be confusing you, must be hard going through life not knowing what the **** you're talking about. Back Problems? Oh you mean the problem he's had since birth. The congenital one. Yea not a risk.


As for medium reward, I direct you to the Suns roster this season, he almost got that team into the playoffs and in the East they would've made it for sure. Nash has a superstar caliber impact on whichever team he's on.

The back problem was a risk even in his MVP years. Maybe you forget him having to sit out long stretches during games in the playoffs because of his back. Whether people want to admit it or not, those problems become exponentially worse with age.

On your medium reward retort. You proved my point. He almost made it to the playoffs. He didn't, and there is no gurantee he makes it out of the first round in the East. Do you want to risk potential young talent (again) in order to get another "star".

GiantsSwaGG
07-04-2012, 12:20 AM
If Knicks get Nash.we're one piece away from competing with the Heat. Idk about the Nets though.

BHF
07-04-2012, 12:22 AM
If Knicks get Nash.we're one piece away from competing with the Heat. Idk about the Nets though.

no you are not

Losoway
07-04-2012, 12:22 AM
i said deron is going to stay with the nets weeks ago. and im going to say this
nash will be a knick by the next week and Lin will be a knick

noodle
07-04-2012, 12:23 AM
I don't threaten or act tough online. I state opinions in the same manner I speak. I call my bosses ideas stupid and idiotic all the time and guess what, if done and then supported with logical reasoning you can get by in life.

Just because you think of an idea that is supported by fallacy on delusion, it doesn't make it a good idea. And forums are areas for debate. If you can't hand reasoning and retorts GTFO.

It is one thing to debate, it is another thing to be a douche to others.

...and I have a bit of a hard time believing that your employer would allow you to call his ideas stupid or idiotic and remain employed. However, I understand that McDonalds employs all types of people with "special" needs, so maybe your boss doesn't quite grasp the concept that you are challenging his ideas?

justinnum1
07-04-2012, 12:24 AM
i said deron is going to stay with the nets weeks ago. and im going to say this
nash will be a knick by the next week and Lin will be a knick

very possible, can you pm me the lotto numbers too
^dude is on tilt

GiantsSwaGG
07-04-2012, 12:25 AM
no you are not

Yes we are...now all we needis to catch to the Nets

GiantsSwaGG
07-04-2012, 12:26 AM
i said deron is going to stay with the nets weeks ago. and im going to say this
nash will be a knick by the next week and Lin will be a knick

Nash won't be a Knick but im not surprise that Heat fans feel threaten if he were to join the Knicks!

BHF
07-04-2012, 12:27 AM
Yes we are...now all we needis to catch to the Nets

Boston Celtics

GiantsSwaGG
07-04-2012, 12:28 AM
Boston Celtics

Aging!

justinnum1
07-04-2012, 12:28 AM
Yes we are...now all we needis to catch to the Nets

and the celtics and heat and bulls

BHF
07-04-2012, 12:31 AM
Aging!

aging or not they are better and + they have 2 very good picks

GiantsSwaGG
07-04-2012, 12:32 AM
and the celtics (aging) and heat (with nash we're up there) and bulls (no rose)

Yep

Gritz
07-04-2012, 12:32 AM
If Knicks get Nash.we're one piece away from competing with the Heat. Idk about the Nets though.

That'll give you 3 starters allergic to defense, so that would be a big *** piece

knicksfan42
07-04-2012, 12:33 AM
Good point, nash makes the knicks favorites.

Perhaps, I mean he did nearly get this roster: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2012.html into the playoffs out west.

ryang
07-04-2012, 12:34 AM
Nash won't be a Knick but im not surprise that Heat fans feel threaten if he were to join the Knicks!

dont be suprised cause were not.. and the nets?? that made me laugh..

GiantsSwaGG
07-04-2012, 12:34 AM
aging or not they are better and + they have 2 very good picks

One with a bugling disk problem and another who doesn't know how to play basketball effectively yet?

Yeah good picks.

GiantsSwaGG
07-04-2012, 12:35 AM
dont be suprised cause were not.. and the nets?? that made me laugh..

Nets>heat imo

Punk
07-04-2012, 12:36 AM
no you are not

Posts like this are amusing.

So, a team of Nash, Amare, Tyson isn't a title contender but a team of Nash, Richardson, Amare got to the Western Conference Finals less than 4 years ago? :laugh2:

A team of:

Nash/Dragic
Richardson/Barbosa
Hill/Dudley
Amare/Frye
Lopez/Amudson

With the 23rd defense in the league makes it to the WCF against the Lakers in a 6 game series.

BUT a potential team of:

Nash/Lin/Kidd
Shumpert/Smith
Melo/Lewis
Amare/Novak
Chandler/Jeffries

with the 5th best defense in the league is not a contender in the East.

:laugh:

ryang
07-04-2012, 12:37 AM
stop smoking.. it apparently is working like its supposed to.. have your opinion but dam bro thats a bold ******** statement.. j.johnson d will and dwight (if he even goes there) come on bro..

knicksfan42
07-04-2012, 12:37 AM
On your medium reward retort. You proved my point. He almost made it to the playoffs. He didn't, and there is no gurantee he makes it out of the first round in the East. Do you want to risk potential young talent (again) in order to get another "star".

Please examine the roster again. Saying "ahaha proving my point, he only nearly got a horrendous suns into the playoffs out west" makes you sound like an idiot. Please examine the roster: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2012.html

Yea it is pretty much guaranteed they would've made the playoffs in a weaker eastern conference.

noodle
07-04-2012, 12:38 AM
Too many jerkoffs from Miami, guess that makes sense thought doesn't it?

xxplayerxx23
07-04-2012, 12:39 AM
Punk we wont get all 3 pgs, and we would be contenders but Im not sure that team has enough to get past Miami

ryang
07-04-2012, 12:40 AM
Punk we wont get all 3 pgs, and we would be contenders but Im not sure that team has enough to get past Miami

true.. But dam if you could pull that off id be happy as a knick fan

smood999
07-04-2012, 12:42 AM
why would he want to play in NY? He isn't winning a ring there, might as well go play in toronto and get paid. IF he wanted a chance at a ring he would go to a team that is an actual contender.

the Knicks problem is not whether or not they have the talent..it's whether their talent meshes..maybe Nash feels he could bring it together

I personally think the next 5 yrs + belong to Durant and LeBron...but to be fair, the Knicks are an unknown...yeah you can criticize each individual player and their flaws but this team has not been stable in yrs as far as player turn around and coaches...also, we haven't seen this current Knick team healthy for a long enough stretch...they were healthy 7 games under Woodson and went 6-1...they were healthy for maybe a month under D'Antoni and that was their big losing streak before he resigned...

Gibby23
07-04-2012, 12:42 AM
Nets>heat imo

You know the Knicks suck, right? Like they won't win a title in the next 15 years. Amare is garbage and untradeable. He is getting more unathletic by the day. Melo is a big as jumpshooter that has made it past the 1st round once. The Nets without Howard are better than the knicks.

strahan92osi72
07-04-2012, 12:45 AM
You know the Knicks suck, right? Like they won't win a title in the next 15 years. Amare is garbage and untradeable. He is getting more unathletic by the day. Melo is a big as jumpshooter that has made it past the 1st round once. The Nets without Howard are better than the knicks.

You're a fool if you really believe that. The Nets were 22-44 last year and they add Joe Johnson. He won't make a difference because he's garbage. The Nets will be lucky to win 40 games if they don't get Howard. Knicks are a 50 win team with or without Nash.

ACanadian
07-04-2012, 12:47 AM
Get stomped on NYK fans

xxplayerxx23
07-04-2012, 12:47 AM
You know the Knicks suck, right? Like they won't win a title in the next 15 years. Amare is garbage and untradeable. He is getting more unathletic by the day. Melo is a big as jumpshooter that has made it past the 1st round once. The Nets without Howard are better than the knicks.

Only comment is care to sig bet?

ryang
07-04-2012, 12:50 AM
knicks>nets Even if howard went to BK they got chandler... dwight wont destroy chandler like theyd need him to..

strahan92osi72
07-04-2012, 12:53 AM
]knicks>nets Even if howard went to BK they got chandler... [/B]dwight wont destroy chandler like theyd need him to..

Only if the Knicks get Nash though.

smood999
07-04-2012, 12:53 AM
You know the Knicks suck, right? Like they won't win a title in the next 15 years. Amare is garbage and untradeable. He is getting more unathletic by the day. Melo is a big as jumpshooter that has made it past the 1st round once. The Nets without Howard are better than the knicks.


It's funny how when a more likable player (Garnett, TMac) where in the same situations during their careers ppl took the time to realize the situation as a whole....1) how good were the Nuggets compared to the other teams in the West?...2) how many teams did he lose to the team that represented the West in the Finals?....3) how many times were his teams at full health?....4) when did his team underachieve and lose to a team that was less superior?...

just be fair to all players/teams...ppl r quick to point out that Rose was out for the Bulls but in the same breath criticize the Knicks for losing in yr one without Amare and Billups...and yr 2 Lin, Amare, Shump, Davis, Tyson all had an issue at one point or another...NY wouldn't have beaten MIA anyway...just pointing out the double standard when it comes to the Knicks...Knicks haven't had a healthy team in how long yet everyone is quick to write them off...they haven't had a training camp with this group..2 coaches...and constantly have new faces...but that reasoning only works for other teams I guess..

ryang
07-04-2012, 12:56 AM
Only if the Knicks get Nash though.

I disagree.. but you are free to have your opinion...

strahan92osi72
07-04-2012, 12:56 AM
I disagree.. but you are free to have your opinion...

Well if the Nets get Howard I think it's very even, Nash would tip the scale the Knicks way IMO.

smood999
07-04-2012, 12:57 AM
perfect example...look how much of a pass Deron Williams has gotten...the Nets were just as bad with him and without him...how much of a difference did he make? how could he possibly be on the verge of missing the playoffs with Utah his last season? nobody wants to talk about how Rose and Paul have done a lot more with less than Williams has...

strahan92osi72
07-04-2012, 01:00 AM
perfect example...look how much of a pass Deron Williams has gotten...the Nets were just as bad with him and without him...how much of a difference did he make? how could he possibly be on the verge of missing the playoffs with Utah his last season? nobody wants to talk about how Rose and Paul have done a lot more with less than Williams has...

Yeah and people say melo doesn't perform in playoffs, just what in the he11 has Deron accomplished in his career? He had Boozer, and eventhough he's not that great, he's better than a washed up Chauncey, which is the most help Melo had in Denver. I'd gladly take Melo over Deron every day of the week, much more explosive. Deron is the most overrated player in the league IMO.

DoMeFavors
07-04-2012, 01:02 AM
knicks>nets Even if howard went to BK they got chandler... dwight wont destroy chandler like theyd need him to..

What makes Knicks better? Amare sucks and as of right now they have no sg and pg

smood999
07-04-2012, 01:04 AM
just saying what's fair is fair...you can't criticize one and ignore the other...you can't make excuses for one and not the other...I know Melo's flaws and accept them..I'm not telling anyone he's Durant or LeBron..a while back I thought him and Durant weren't far apart...but I can admit Durant is without a doubt the superior player...I have no issues with any of that...my only issue is the constant bashing just cause you don't like a player whether it's Melo or someone else...

I think Blake Griffin is starting to get the same type of thing and he's only played 2 full seasons...meanwhile some players will always get a pass..just the way it is I guess

strahan92osi72
07-04-2012, 01:04 AM
What makes Knicks better? Amare sucks and as of right now they have no sg and pg

Amare's better than anything on your roster not named Deron Williams. Dwight is still no guarantee to come to Brooklyn and Joe Johnson doesn't make you a contender, so go back into hybernation.

DoMeFavors
07-04-2012, 01:04 AM
perfect example...look how much of a pass Deron Williams has gotten...the Nets were just as bad with him and without him...how much of a difference did he make? how could he possibly be on the verge of missing the playoffs with Utah his last season? nobody wants to talk about how Rose and Paul have done a lot more with less than Williams has...

Rose and cp have never had the roster demon had last season, and nets have a much better team right now

DoMeFavors
07-04-2012, 01:05 AM
Amare's better than anything on your roster not named Deron Williams. Dwight is still no guarantee to come to Brooklyn and Joe Johnson doesn't make you a contender, so go back into hybernation.

If nets resign Lopez I onLy put amare better than Gerald wallace

strahan92osi72
07-04-2012, 01:06 AM
just saying what's fair is fair...you can't criticize one and ignore the other...you can't make excuses for one and not the other...I know Melo's flaws and accept them..I'm not telling anyone he's Durant or LeBron..a while back I thought him and Durant weren't far apart...but I can admit Durant is without a doubt the superior player...I have no issues with any of that...my only issue is the constant bashing just cause you don't like a player whether it's Melo or someone else...

I think Blake Griffin is starting to get the same type of thing and he's only played 2 full seasons...meanwhile some players will always get a pass..just the way it is I guess

Yeah the answer's obvious, when a player goes to NY no matter who it is, Durant or Lebron included, they will always be trash in the eyes of all the haters. Fairly easy to figure out.

strahan92osi72
07-04-2012, 01:07 AM
If nets resign Lopez I onLy put amare better than Gerald wallace

WHHHAAAATTTTT? Amare>>>>>>Lopez, you are on some serious crack. Lopez is absolute trash.

DoMeFavors
07-04-2012, 01:07 AM
Yeah and people say melo doesn't perform in playoffs, just what in the he11 has Deron accomplished in his career? He had Boozer, and eventhough he's not that great, he's better than a washed up Chauncey, which is the most help Melo had in Denver. I'd gladly take Melo over Deron every day of the week, much more explosive. Deron is the most overrated player in the league IMO.

Melo scores elite, demon scores passes and Plays d elite

strahan92osi72
07-04-2012, 01:09 AM
Melo scores elite, demon scores passes and Plays d elite

I'll give you passes elite, Deron is nowhere close to an elite scorer or on D.

RonE Coleman
07-04-2012, 01:11 AM
Dont listen to domefavors... shes a female so she has no clue what shes talking about

DoMeFavors
07-04-2012, 01:12 AM
Also melo had a much better roster and his playoff record sucks, demon has won more playoff games in less years...and boozer can thank deron

xxplayerxx23
07-04-2012, 01:12 AM
If nets resign Lopez I onLy put amare better than Gerald wallace

LMAO You said gforce>amare three days ago.

strahan92osi72
07-04-2012, 01:13 AM
Dont listen to domefavors... shes a female so she has no clue what shes talking about

Maybe he,she,it, whatever lol should root for the Jazz. That's where Favors is after all.

RonE Coleman
07-04-2012, 01:14 AM
Maybe he,she,it, whatever lol should root for the Jazz. That's where Favors is after all.

She should go make me a sandwich. Thats what she should do!

strahan92osi72
07-04-2012, 01:15 AM
Also melo had a much better roster and his playoff record sucks, demon has won more playoff games in less years...and boozer can thank deron

LOL what Denver teams were you watching, the ones that had washed up AI and Billups? Yeah those were some great Denver teams he had.:rolleyes: You can have the overrated Deron while you struggle to get to .500, Deron has shown just how far he can lead you're sorry franchise, lol.

ryang
07-04-2012, 01:21 AM
What makes Knicks better? Amare sucks and as of right now they have no sg and pg

Amare sucks?? bro I hate the knicks I really do but your nuts.. Lopez?? j.jhonson?? Wallace?? You got dwill but the nets suck.. Didnt they win22 games last year?? I dont understand the hype.. Chandler,amare and mello > Lopez,j.jhonson and dwill.. We can go on and on but the knicks as a whole are a better basketball team period..

mizzacNYC
07-04-2012, 01:21 AM
He was also huge in game 5 of the Finals. Seeing that he is a rookie he wasn't going to play a lot of time. But in the time he did play throughout the playoffs he made limited mistakes and made quite a few nice shots. That is all you can expect from a bench or role player.

WE WON THE SHIP AND OUSTED YOU ROUND 1 4-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!What does that say about your team?

No Lin

Shump ACL

No Jeffries at 1st

STAT bonehead move cuts hand

B-Diddy Knee

Chandler was Ill

C'mon Son stop bashing, Mia got the ship, good for them, and how does a Bear's fan become a Miami Heat Fan?????? :shrug:

On another note; Trade without Shump or Novak

Toney Douglas----$2,067,880
Dan Gadzuric-----$1,352,181 unguaranteed
Josh Harrellson---$762,195 unguaranteed who I like
Jerome Jordan----$762,195 unguaranteed
And Cash----------$3,000,000
Rights to Greek ___________

Salaries-----------$7,944,451
------------------X 150% + $100,000
-------------------____________
Knicks can
Take back--------$12,016,676 In a trade with PHO

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong...

Lin is Dolans new cash cow and I'm 99% sure we match any and everything for him... Fields got lucky to be used as a pawn because he would never have received a bigger offer anywhere, good for him and I wish him luck, he gets to come back to town 4 times a season...

Also, why if Mia got the ship are their fans still trolling. I mean ppl are Happy we may have to lose Shump in a trade for Nash... Funny those are the same ppl that don't think the Knicks got a chance in hell of beating the Heat... Why should trading Shump matter to them at all????

smood999
07-04-2012, 01:23 AM
I get that Deron was on a bad Nets team...my issue is why wasn't there much of a difference before they traded for him and after? People say the Knicks still suck but ignore that after getting Amare then Melo they had their 2 best records in over a decade..

Deron had more pieces in Utah than Melo did in Denver...I'll just use All-Stars as an example even though I realize that some players can be All-Star caliber without being an All-Star..I think it works here cause on Den there weren't any other All-Star caliber players

All Stars Melo played with...Billups and Iverson...both past their primes

D Wills played with Boozer, Okur, Kirelinko...all playing their best bball of their careers...

Melo has never missed the playoffs
D Wills would have missed the playoffs with the Jazz last yr regardless of him getting traded...a Jazz team that made the playoffs this yr...

ryang
07-04-2012, 01:28 AM
No Lin

Shump ACL

No Jeffries at 1st

STAT bonehead move cuts hand

B-Diddy Knee

Chandler was Ill

C'mon Son stop bashing, Mia got the ship, good for them, and how does a Bear's fan become a Miami Heat Fan?????? :shrug:

On another note; Trade without Shump or Novak

Toney Douglas----$2,067,880
Dan Gadzuric-----$1,352,181 unguaranteed
Josh Harrellson---$762,195 unguaranteed who I like
Jerome Jordan----$762,195 unguaranteed
And Cash----------$3,000,000
Rights to Greek ___________

Salaries-----------$7,944,451
------------------X 150% + $100,000
-------------------____________
Knicks can
Take back--------$12,016,676 In a trade with PHO

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong...

Lin is Dolans new cash cow and I'm 99% sure we match any and everything for him... Fields got lucky to be used as a pawn because he would never have received a bigger offer anywhere, good for him and I wish him luck, he gets to come back to town 4 times a season...

Also, why if Mia got the ship are their fans still trolling. I mean ppl are Happy we may have to lose Shump in a trade for Nash... Funny those are the same ppl that don't think the Knicks got a chance in hell of beating the Heat... Why should trading Shump matter to them at all????

1: pretty sure its because people have talked a whole lot of **** in the past 2 years..

2: theres a chance its just not a great one thats all..

Punk
07-04-2012, 01:30 AM
Also melo had a much better roster and his playoff record sucks, demon has won more playoff games in less years...and boozer can thank deron

O Rly? You just love to leave out Melo's roster was a team of Nene, Martin, Camby who all were injury prone at the same damn time.

Please, Deron can thank Boozer. If Deron was that special the Nets should have won something with him in the last 2 seasons.

GTFO and get back to the kitchen. You know nothing about basketball.

DoMeFavors
07-04-2012, 01:30 AM
LOL what Denver teams were you watching, the ones that had washed up AI and Billups? Yeah those were some great Denver teams he had.:rolleyes: You can have the overrated Deron while you struggle to get to .500, Deron has shown just how far he can lead you're sorry franchise, lol.

This is so funny .500? Haha sorry we have different opinions I think nets are a top 3 in east

DeyAce
07-04-2012, 01:30 AM
I still predict Nash and Howard to LA

king4day
07-04-2012, 01:31 AM
Suns fans would be elated to snag Shumpert in a sign and trade. At the least, I hope we can get a trade exception for him.
It'd be weird to see us deal with LA. I don't think their pieces are enticing enough to get the backlash we'd see with something like that.

DoMeFavors
07-04-2012, 01:31 AM
Amare sucks?? bro I hate the knicks I really do but your nuts.. Lopez?? j.jhonson?? Wallace?? You got dwill but the nets suck.. Didnt they win22 games last year?? I dont understand the hype.. Chandler,amare and mello > Lopez,j.jhonson and dwill.. We can go on and on but the knicks as a whole are a better basketball team period..

Ok we will see, and yeah 22 wins but not even close to same roster

DoMeFavors
07-04-2012, 01:34 AM
O Rly? You just love to leave out Melo's roster was a team of Nene, Martin, Camby who all were injury prone at the same damn time.

Please, Deron can thank Boozer. If Deron was that special the Nets should have won something with him in the last 2 seasons.

GTFO and get back to the kitchen. You know nothing about basketball.

Why are u so mad at my opinion? And how is Deron supposed to win anything in 12 games last yr and no center this yeat

Punk
07-04-2012, 01:35 AM
1: pretty sure its because people have talked a whole lot of **** in the past 2 years..

2: theres a chance its just not a great one thats all..

Funny, because no Celtics fans trolled other fans when they got hate over their Big 3. You are making excuses. Your fan base has no respect. They troll Bulls fans, Celtics fans and Knick fans because they are an insecure bunch of bandwagon fans.

You all trolled Bulls fans before the 2010 season and laughed at Rose's "Why can't I be an MVP" quote and the Bulls provided to be better ever since without that much star power either. Yet, It never humbled Heat "fans"...I use the term loosely.

Don't make excuses. Everyone knows the Heat fanbase is a sham and fairweather fans. You all prove it on an every day basis.

Where are Bulls fans? In their forum minding their own business. Yet, Heat fans can't do it and others can.

Losoway
07-04-2012, 01:39 AM
if the nets get howard

Brooklyn > knicks

ryang
07-04-2012, 01:46 AM
Funny, because no Celtics fans trolled other fans when they got hate over their Big 3. You are making excuses. Your fan base has no respect. They troll Bulls fans, Celtics fans and Knick fans because they are an insecure bunch of bandwagon fans.

You all trolled Bulls fans before the 2010 season and laughed at Rose's "Why can't I be an MVP" quote and the Bulls provided to be better ever since without that much star power either. Yet, It never humbled Heat "fans"...I use the term loosely.

Don't make excuses. Everyone knows the Heat fanbase is a sham and fairweather fans. You all prove it on an every day basis.

Where are Bulls fans? In their forum minding their own business. Yet, Heat fans can't do it and others can.

So our fan base is judged by 40 psd users?? are you kidding me?? Are you saying the HEAT havent been laughed at and talked about for the past 2 seasons?/ Im not saying people should troll (has to be the girliest word ive ever heard a man use) but if they do there probably kids or there bored and pissed off..

Ive been watching the HEAT since 88 when you were more then likely in diapers so I could care less about these bandwagon fans you speak of.. The yankees, lakers ect ect have them to.. Find some other way to talk **** about our team.. If the 22 heat fans on psd speak for our fan base then your ********.. i dont think knick fans are ******** because of the 15 or so of them make it seem so..

mizzacNYC
07-04-2012, 01:47 AM
1: pretty sure its because people have talked a whole lot of **** in the past 2 years..

2: theres a chance its just not a great one thats all..


Oh I know all about the **** talking, I gave my 2cents... But its done Heat got the ship... What irks me are the ppl that get happy to see players injured, traded, etc. from rival teams thats lame. So the Shump statement was about that and I'm not sure if it came from a Heat or Nets fans I'm just saying...

Justinnum1 may have said it, not sure but he's the usual suspect when it comes to trollin' & gloating' especially when it comes to the Knicks it seems, maybe he had money on that game 7 when H20 hit the last second runner, I DONT KNOW!!!

Nets and Knicks fans are gonna always bump heads too, but I have to say I've warmed up a little to the Nets, being in BK and all. I hope they find a way to get Howard but it seems their in the same boat as Knicks, little to no assets for a trade for a player that wants to be here...

CavsYanksDuke
07-04-2012, 01:50 AM
Funny, because no Celtics fans trolled other fans when they got hate over their Big 3. You are making excuses. Your fan base has no respect. They troll Bulls fans, Celtics fans and Knick fans because they are an insecure bunch of bandwagon fans.

You all trolled Bulls fans before the 2010 season and laughed at Rose's "Why can't I be an MVP" quote and the Bulls provided to be better ever since without that much star power either. Yet, It never humbled Heat "fans"...I use the term loosely.

Don't make excuses. Everyone knows the Heat fanbase is a sham and fairweather fans. You all prove it on an every day basis.

Where are Bulls fans? In their forum minding their own business. Yet, Heat fans can't do it and others can.

You can't be too mad at a fanbase for trolling when their team is constantly hated on. Every other thread on this site was about how much Bron, Bosh, or Wade sucked. For every fifteen or so, a HEAT fan would be like, "Yo, we are still winning ***holes!" Which would start up 15 threads about how Pat Riley and David Stern are ruining the sport. I'd troll back too if I was a legit fan of the HEAT, especially considering how dumb most people are on this site.

ryang
07-04-2012, 01:51 AM
Oh I know all about the **** talking, I gave my 2cents... But its done Heat got the ship... What irks me are the ppl that get happy to see players injured, traded, etc. from rival teams thats lame. So the Shump statement was about that and I'm not sure if it came from a Heat or Nets fans I'm just saying...

Justinnum1 may have said it, not sure but he's the usual suspect when it comes to trollin' & gloating' especially when it comes to the Knicks it seems, maybe he had money on that game 7 when H20 hit the last second runner, I DONT KNOW!!!

Nets and Knicks fans are gonna always bump heads too, but I have to say I've warmed up a little to the Nets, being in BK and all. I hope they find a way to get Howard but it seems their in the same boat as Knicks, little to no assets for a trade for a player that wants to be here...

Dont judge our fan base from the users of psd.. Not all of them get happy over b.s. like injurys ect ect.. I certainly dont..

DoMeFavors
07-04-2012, 01:55 AM
Heat don't even have a lot of bandwagon around here people who weren't basketball fans jumped on the Knicks bandwagon..they have a lot more by far.

ryang
07-04-2012, 02:00 AM
Let em talk.. if this was real life in person all the users who have said heat are bandwagon fans ect ect wouldnt talk so much..

socalswag24
07-04-2012, 02:03 AM
Okc has the most banwaggon fans out of any team.

Punk
07-04-2012, 02:10 AM
You can't be too mad at a fanbase for trolling when their team is constantly hated on. Every other thread on this site was about how much Bron, Bosh, or Wade sucked. For every fifteen or so, a HEAT fan would be like, "Yo, we are still winning ***holes!" Which would start up 15 threads about how Pat Riley and David Stern are ruining the sport. I'd troll back too if I was a legit fan of the HEAT, especially considering how dumb most people are on this site.

I get that. This board is filled with ******** morons but they do deserve the trolling they get back.

They come off ignorant half of the time anyhow.

faridk89
07-04-2012, 02:22 AM
Let em talk.. if this was real life in person all the users who have said heat are bandwagon fans ect ect wouldnt talk so much..

I would :clap:

noodle
07-04-2012, 02:38 AM
these Heat fans are a bunch of jagoffs.

'nuff said.

jam
07-04-2012, 03:39 AM
Nash is not the solution for the Knicks. He can only be a top flight 1 for a year or two. He doesn't play defense. He duplicates what Lin does, at a bit higher level of play, hypothetically, at 2-4X the cost.

The Knicks could use a big, physical guard who can still defend, at a cut-rate price. Kidd would fit the bill nicely.

calibird707
07-04-2012, 04:11 AM
Nash is not the solution for the Knicks. He can only be a top flight 1 for a year or two. He doesn't play defense. He duplicates what Lin does, at a bit higher level of play, hypothetically, at 2-4X the cost.

The Knicks could use a big, physical guard who can still defend, at a cut-rate price. Kidd would fit the bill nicely.

^^^Amen....resign lin and pick up kidd,who can still defend,rebound,and knock down the threeball...then you get a backup big and a dirtywork guy such as barnes...we could use another spot up shooter but beggers cant be choosers...trading shump solves nothing...he is the best perimiter defender we have had since starks...nash made plenty loot in phx...we offer the best squad of the teams he is considering(Not sure whats up wit the lakers)Take our midlevel...or go to toronto and get handled or go to dallas and get bumped in the 1st round...we need to get while the getting is good and quit waiting on the little canaidian

GiantsSwaGG
07-04-2012, 06:07 AM
You know the Knicks suck, right? Like they won't win a title in the next 15 years. Amare is garbage and untradeable. He is getting more unathletic by the day. Melo is a big as jumpshooter that has made it past the 1st round once. The Nets without Howard are better than the knicks.

Yeah they're better than the heat as well

Of topic for a second: giants won the superbowl

Evolution23
07-04-2012, 08:05 AM
Ok i'll say it again. **** you PHX you are not getting Shumpert! Lets get Raymond!

Punk
07-04-2012, 11:34 AM
Nash not the solution for the Knicks? I lol'd. We've heard this about Tyson, Carmelo, Jeremy and now Steve Nash of all people not the solution to help Amare who averaged the worst FG% of his career and the Knicks were 17th in offense due to shaky PG play. We could still get Nash, sign Kidd and match Lin as well. I promise if Nash goes to Miami or Dallas, his defense is not questioned.

meloman1592
07-04-2012, 11:50 AM
If Nash comes, Great! If he doesn't, I don't care. I'm fine with Lin and Kidd

utl768
07-04-2012, 02:09 PM
if they get nash is lin gone?

if so thats a really dumb move

sunsfan88
07-04-2012, 05:02 PM
Yeah they're better than the heat as well

Of topic for a second: giants won the superbowl

How are the Knicks better than the Heat?

Miami just won the title and on the way there, they killed your team 3-1. Heat fans have the right to talk smack especially to the Knicks fans since they beat em on the way to the title.

Just like Laker fans were talking smack to us in 09 when they beat us in the WCFs and went on to win the title.

justinnum1
07-04-2012, 05:03 PM
How are the Knicks better than the Heat?

Miami just won the title and on the way there, they killed your team 3-1. Heat fans have the right to talk smack especially to the Knicks fans since they beat em on the way to the title.

Just like Laker fans were talking smack to us in 09 when they beat us in the WCFs and went on to win the title.

He's obviously trolling, anyone who thinks the knicks are better than miami is lying or seriously delusional, probably both

KnickNyKnick
07-04-2012, 06:31 PM
Isnt that the life motto of a Nets fan?

its the blue print for greatness

tcav701
07-04-2012, 07:08 PM
The Knicks CANT be considering giving up Shumpert right?

Blitzbolt
07-04-2012, 07:13 PM
Looks like a bad deal for both teams.

Swashcuff
07-04-2012, 07:13 PM
Where is INK the NBA Forum Mod and Raptors fan? He has always boasted about the fact that Steve Nash has too much integrity, is too loyal and would never continue joining a team like the Knicks, Heat, etc

I wonder what he has to say about this now.