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We_need_players
07-03-2012, 01:16 PM
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Just going up online and via SportsCenter: Raptors and Knicks' RFA Landry Fields have agreed to three-year offer sheet

scutch11
07-03-2012, 01:18 PM
If anything Landry to the Suns would make me think it's almost done. This seems like more of a blockade to make Nash to the Knicks for difficult. Those tricky Raptors...

nicegoing
07-03-2012, 01:18 PM
WTF I don't want Landry Fields, we need a SG who can score, we already have James Johnson who is a hustle wing player. SMH

We_need_players
07-03-2012, 01:19 PM
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Precise value of offer TBD but Knicks will have three days to match once Fields signs July 11. Deal likely to have Year 3 spike a la Asik


btw my title is mis-interpreting

GrumpyOldMan
07-03-2012, 01:19 PM
sounds like those pesky Raptors pulled a fast one on the Knicks.

waveycrockett
07-03-2012, 01:21 PM
****** Landry Fields Agrees To Sign Three-Year Offer Sheet With Raptors -- http://t.co/KirTRTCb



Wow JC screwed knicks. Fields cant be used in a S&T fot Nash now. On to Shumpy or Lin if they want Nash.

king4day
07-03-2012, 01:21 PM
I changed the thread title to prevent confusion.

nyKnicks126
07-03-2012, 01:21 PM
nice.. good for him..

Avenged
07-03-2012, 01:21 PM
Wasn't expecting it.

godolphins
07-03-2012, 01:22 PM
Chad Ford

Fields was 1 of Knicks few trade chips for Nash RT @ESPNSteinLine: Raptors and Knicks' RFA Landry Fields have agreed to 3-year offer sheet

waveycrockett
07-03-2012, 01:22 PM
Fields cant be S&T to PHX for Nash now. JC has screwed the knicks

Fresno
07-03-2012, 01:22 PM
****** Landry Fields Agrees To Sign Three-Year Offer Sheet With Raptors -- http://t.co/KirTRTCb



Wow JC screwed knicks. Fields cant be used in a S&T fot Nash now. On to Shumpy or Lin if they want Nash.

So?

marvILLous
07-03-2012, 01:23 PM
hahahaha

king4day
07-03-2012, 01:23 PM
Good for Fields though. Don't wait, just do what you have to do for yourself.

Punk
07-03-2012, 01:23 PM
Lol at the Raptors preventing a S&T deal for Nash. Landry can go but I hate the fact they're using him as a pawn to get us to give up Shumpert for Nash.

GFTO BC.

Avenged
07-03-2012, 01:24 PM
He didn't screw anyone. He's looking out for his team, not the Knicks.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
07-03-2012, 01:24 PM
Well played Colangelo. Well played.

DaoudS
07-03-2012, 01:24 PM
BC just **** blocked the Knicks

waveycrockett
07-03-2012, 01:25 PM
So?

Huh?

We_need_players
07-03-2012, 01:25 PM
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Sources say that the three-year deal offer sheet to Fields, with the Year 3 jump a la Omer Asik, approaches $20 million

Trace
07-03-2012, 01:26 PM
Lol

We_need_players
07-03-2012, 01:26 PM
I changed the thread title to prevent confusion.

Thanks, haha

Fresno
07-03-2012, 01:26 PM
Huh?

Nash was never going to the Knicks.

marvILLous
07-03-2012, 01:26 PM
Lol at the Raptors preventing a S&T deal for Nash. Landry can go but I hate the fact they're using him as a pawn to get us to give up Shumpert for Nash.

GFTO BC.

http://api.ning.com/files/4Voc7F34yRVYIMfHqNvVkPJ1j-B*G6IGaKaWd5g2Bc8FdMTOsUP0LKb0apor0liDAg16CR*A8fn0 OfiV7krnArj35KCsrxWB/umad1151812980627481.jpg

:laugh:

Funny *** move by BC

29$JerZ
07-03-2012, 01:26 PM
He didn't screw anyone. He's looking out for his team, not the Knicks.

Nah this is clearly a measure to make NY getting Nash even more difficult.

Swashcuff
07-03-2012, 01:27 PM
This is amazing... Landry Fields getting 3 years 20 mil.... A decent rookie season and a sub par sophomore season really buys you a lot on the open market. The Raps continue their trend of overpaying role players with limited potential.

scutch11
07-03-2012, 01:27 PM
Zach Lowe ‏@ZachLowe_SI
If Knicks match offer sheet, I believe they would be prohibited from trading Fields for 3 months. But I'll ask the great @LarryCoon, too.

Goddamn. Well-played Colangelo, well-played

DR_1
07-03-2012, 01:28 PM
Good move Toronto

Punk
07-03-2012, 01:29 PM
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Precise value of offer TBD but Knicks will have three days to match once Fields signs July 11. Deal likely to have Year 3 spike a la Asik

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Toronto doesn't know what they are getting themselves into. Landry isn't even close to worth that type of money. What a steal by him and his agent.

DaoudS
07-03-2012, 01:29 PM
Nope. Can't match offer sheet AND sign-and-trade RT @KnickScoop: Does this mean #Knicks can match and trade him to PHX?
https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/220207118404431873

29$JerZ
07-03-2012, 01:29 PM
Landry should not be making any more than 3 mil a season. He has been nothin like his first half rookie year. If Toronto overpays him for that good riddance. Those are the type of contracts that become killers for a mediocre team.

C_Mund
07-03-2012, 01:29 PM
Yeah I don't know if this is part of the bargaining plan with Phoenix to land Nash or if they're just trying to screw the Knicks over out of spite. We'll have to see. I just hope we don't get stuck with Fields....a good player that we have no need for!

DaoudS
07-03-2012, 01:30 PM
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Precise value of offer TBD but Knicks will have three days to match once Fields signs July 11. Deal likely to have Year 3 spike a la Asik

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Toronto doesn't know what they are getting themselves into. Landry isn't even close to worth that type of money. What a steal by him and his agent.

It is likely to get the Knicks out of the running of Nash. Don't really care about Fields.

LTBaByyy
07-03-2012, 01:30 PM
Off season is so fun haha

Nash
Derozan
Fields
Bargs
Valuncunias

Ross: 6th man
Amir
Johnson
Davis
Acy
Bayless

Not bad, wonder when Calderon will get amnesty

We_need_players
07-03-2012, 01:30 PM
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
RT @bruce_arthur: It's all about Nash. This is Bryan Colangelo throwing everything he's got to get one guy. All-in

KniCks4LiFe
07-03-2012, 01:31 PM
IDK whether to give the TOR GM a highfive or punch him. Fields is a good player, he just doesn't mesh well w/ an iso offense. He's an energy guy and has a motor. But this move right here just paused the Nash deal. One I didn't want.

Punk
07-03-2012, 01:31 PM
Nash was never going to the Knicks.

Riiight. So, why the hell would he meet with them and talk about playing for them? Even openly saying he has them high on his list?

If he is Toronto bound, why hasn't he made a decision yet? He met with them and got their best offer on the market.

Stop and think sometime. Thanks.

Fresno
07-03-2012, 01:31 PM
Off season is so fun haha

Nash
Derozan
FieldsBargs
Valuncunias

Ross: 6th man
Amir
Johnson
Davis
Acy
Bayless

Not bad, wonder when Calderon will get amnesty

2 of the worst shooters in the NBA now playing on the wing.

xxplayerxx23
07-03-2012, 01:31 PM
WOW! 3 years 20 million good for fields. Looks like nash goes out the window oh well.

noodle
07-03-2012, 01:33 PM
Somehow I think the raptors just ****ed themselves. No offense, but why would Nash want to play there? Because he's Canadian? Seriously?... Seriously? Not exactly a killer team even if they had him.

LAKobeBryant
07-03-2012, 01:33 PM
I can see Lin coming to toronto now if we don't get nash

Punk
07-03-2012, 01:33 PM
It is likely to get the Knicks out of the running of Nash. Don't really care about Fields.
Knicks could still flip Shumpert or Novak for Nash in that same S&T. Toronto can keep up this game if they want.

Obviously, either way It's taking a huge piece out of what we want to do.

We_need_players
07-03-2012, 01:33 PM
Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider
I think Fields signing is smart move for Raptors. Toronto essentially paid $20M to knock Knicks out of running for Nash …

Losoway
07-03-2012, 01:33 PM
lol they can have that bum...watch we still get nash #knicks

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2012, 01:33 PM
Later Landry, have fun in Canada

Bob_at_york
07-03-2012, 01:34 PM
Fields cant be S&T to PHX for Nash now. JC has screwed the knicks

Jesus Christ? :confused:

I like how BC is trying to ruin the Knicks plans but I don't like the rumoured numbers on this contract. I hope the Raptors don't actually keep Fields.

Losoway
07-03-2012, 01:34 PM
Off season is so fun haha

Nash
Derozan
Fields
Bargs
Valuncunias

Ross: 6th man
Amir
Johnson
Davis
Acy
Bayless

Not bad, wonder when Calderon will get amnesty

this is a terrible lineup ... the raptors wont win over 30 games

KnickNyKnick
07-03-2012, 01:35 PM
no need for nash now. but dolan may panic and offer both lin and shump for nash.

Fresno
07-03-2012, 01:36 PM
Riiight. So, why the hell would he meet with them and talk about playing for them? Even openly saying he has them high on his list?

If he is Toronto bound, why hasn't he made a decision yet? He met with them and got their best offer on the market.

Stop and think sometime. Thanks.

Nash wasn't going to the Knicks. Not without D'Antoni there.

Your dream of Nash/Amare re-uniting in NY just wasn't going to happen with D'Antoni being fired and the emergence of Jeremy Lin.

The Knicks are Melo's team and Nash doesn't fit next to Melo, because Melo has proven he needs the ball in his hands and isn't a catch & shoot player.

Trace
07-03-2012, 01:36 PM
this is a terrible lineup ... the raptors wont win over 30 games

We won 23 last season with all of our PGs injured and our main starters injured. We can win more than 30 games with the roster that we have today.

Corey
07-03-2012, 01:36 PM
Well played Colangelo. Well played.hahaha pretty much

JNA17
07-03-2012, 01:37 PM
Wow so if the the Knicks don't match, there screwed. If they do match, their screwed.

I love seeing stuff like this! now let's see how the Knicks respond.

DaoudS
07-03-2012, 01:37 PM
Total Fields offer sheet would be a three deal worth a reported $20 million... $5 million in Yr1, $5.2 in YR2 and $9.8 million in YR3...
https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/220208298304094208

Knick4Knack
07-03-2012, 01:37 PM
You have got to be kidding me. 20 Mil for Fields? All that money just to screw the Knicks? Guess what, kids, you just screwed yourselves- cuz nash aint walking' into that situation. You honestly think Nash wants to feed Fields on the perimeter to watch him rain bricks? They are gonna have to play him to justify that trash contract.

Can't wait to see the look on Raptor fans faces when Fields assaults the rim with his first laser beam.

Worst GM move of the off season.

Enjoy Fields, Suckers.

GrumpyOldMan
07-03-2012, 01:38 PM
no need for nash now. but dolan may panic and offer both lin and shump for nash.

I hope Dolan panics and matches the offer sheet. That would make BC look like a genius.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
07-03-2012, 01:38 PM
lmao raptors vetoing nash to knicks

Fresno
07-03-2012, 01:38 PM
Jesus Christ? :confused:

I like how BC is trying to ruin the Knicks plans but I don't like the rumoured numbers on this contract. I hope the Raptors don't actually keep Fields.

Once he signs the "Poison Pill" contract the Raptors offered, it pretty much makes him untradeable. No team wants a contract for a MLE type player purposely designed to be backloaded.

LakersA's49ers
07-03-2012, 01:38 PM
colangelo is a stud for this

KnicksR4Real
07-03-2012, 01:40 PM
Terrible signing even though it screws us. I would like to think that Nash really wants NYC he takes what we can offer him. Why would he want to join a Raptors team that offered Landry Fields 20 million dollars.

DaoudS
07-03-2012, 01:40 PM
and now Nash will sign with the Mavs lol

GrumpyOldMan
07-03-2012, 01:41 PM
and now Nash will sign with the Mavs lol

I heard the Heat. ;)

-Kobe24-TJ19-
07-03-2012, 01:41 PM
holy **** 20 millions for Landry.

Wonder why most of the teams are losing money:laugh2:

knickfan447
07-03-2012, 01:41 PM
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Just going up online and via SportsCenter: Raptors and Knicks' RFA Landry Fields have agreed to three-year offer sheet

He actually is not worth that much but the raptors are throwing money around like crazy ,and this technically does not stop the knicks from doing what they need to do because they are about to throw 56 million on 2 players with no chance of winning.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-03-2012, 01:42 PM
Nash wasn't going to the Knicks. Not without D'Antoni there.

Your dream of Nash/Amare re-uniting in NY just wasn't going to happen with D'Antoni being fired and the emergence of Jeremy Lin.

The Knicks are Melo's team and Nash doesn't fit next to Melo, because Melo has proven he needs the ball in his hands and isn't a catch & shoot player.

Lol obviously you didn't watch Melo in his two years with Iverson, Cuz Iverson would get into the paint, and kick out to Melo for a spot up J, constantly. You seriously don't think Melo can catch and shoot a wide open 19 footer as much as Nash runs around in the paint. GTFOH

smith&wesson
07-03-2012, 01:42 PM
ok i get what B.C is trying to do. but what if the knicks dont match the offer.

what the hell are we supose to do with 3 sg's ? derozan, t.ross, fields ?

NYK|NYY
07-03-2012, 01:43 PM
No way in hell Knicks match that, Raptors are crazy

BHF
07-03-2012, 01:43 PM
this is a terrible lineup ... the raptors wont win over 30 games

wow man hahahahahahaha :facepalm:

Eagles4Lyfe
07-03-2012, 01:43 PM
This franchise can\t get any more sadder.
Wow I have never in my life thought I'd ever see my Raptors ever becoming so desperate and this much on one guys *** holy cow.

Fresno
07-03-2012, 01:43 PM
Terrible signing even though it screws us. I would like to think that Nash really wants NYC he takes what we can offer him. Why would he want to join a Raptors team that offered Landry Fields 20 million dollars.

Can some Knicks fan explain to me any sort of logical reasoning why Steve Nash wants to join a Knicks team under Mike Woodson?

Slow tempo, Heavy isolation basketball, & a defensive approach.

The only player he benefits is Amare Stoudemire because it was proven that Melo is terrible playing off the ball as a "shooter" and JR Smith has an even worse shot selection when he doesn't have a coach who will pull him off the court.

nycericanguy
07-03-2012, 01:44 PM
Well this tells you that Nash wanted NY.

If TOR felt Nash was going to sign there they would not be trying to block NY.

And its kind of messed up to Nash to, they are basically trying to force him to TOR.

Punk
07-03-2012, 01:44 PM
Bill Simmons ‏@sportsguy33
Kudos to Toronto: Any time you can spend $20 mill on an 11th man to pave the way to spend $36 mill on a 39 year old PG, you have to do it.

:laugh2:

Congrats, Toronto. You just paid for a guy who shoots 29% from 3, has poor defensive awareness, can't shoot a mid-range shot to save his life and will be on the bench more than on the floor.

Good luck with that.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-03-2012, 01:44 PM
Landry Fields isn't worth 20 Mil.

He can't buy a jumpshot, Non existant in big games. Great locker room guy. Good defender, excellent in transition.

Sadds The Gr8
07-03-2012, 01:44 PM
lol 3 years 20 million?

GSWFanInLA
07-03-2012, 01:44 PM
Off season is so fun haha

Nash
Derozan
Fields
Bargs
Valuncunias

Ross: 6th man
Amir
Johnson
Davis
Acy
Bayless

Not bad, wonder when Calderon will get amnesty

smh. That's not a playoff squad.

My questions is why pair up Steve Nash with two horrible shooters in Fields and Derozan.. Derozan better have that break out season.

mjt20mik
07-03-2012, 01:44 PM
First, I'll start off with a question. If Landry is signed, can the Raptors trade him?

If this is possible, and the way the deal is structured, I think a sign and trade might occur with the Suns.

Jose + Fields for Nash.

justinnum1
07-03-2012, 01:45 PM
Big time **** blockage!!!

Love it:laugh:

We_need_players
07-03-2012, 01:45 PM
Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider
Two glimmers of hope Knicks fans: 1. All verbal agreements aren't binding until 7/11. Fields could back out & agree to s&t with Knicks-Suns

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-03-2012, 01:45 PM
Can some Knicks fan explain to me any sort of logical reasoning why Steve Nash wants to join a Knicks team under Mike Woodson?

Slow tempo, Heavy isolation basketball, & a defensive approach.

The only player he benefits is Amare Stoudemire because it was proven that Melo is terrible playing off the ball as a "shooter" and JR Smith has an even worse shot selection when he doesn't have a coach who will pull him off the court.

He met with the Knicks either yesterday or today (not for sure) But, I'm pretty sure he's well aware that Coach D'A is no longer the coach of the New York Knicks.

Punk
07-03-2012, 01:46 PM
If Nash wanted Toronto so badly, they wouldn't be signing Fields to block a potential S&T to send Fields to Phoenix. Even trying to lure Lin away.

Nice, try but the fact of the matter is Toronto is trying to block us and make it possible for Toronto to be the only attractive spot for him.

If Dallas becomes his next choice, watch BC trade for Dirk.

dalton749
07-03-2012, 01:46 PM
Lmao he so bad this is embarrassing. If nash really drove toronto to this he can go **** himself

DaoudS
07-03-2012, 01:46 PM
Two glimmers of hope Knicks fans: 1. All verbal agreements aren't binding until 7/11. Fields could back out & agree to s&t with Knicks-Suns
https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/220211134895108096

nycericanguy
07-03-2012, 01:46 PM
First, I'll start off with a question. If Landry is signed, can the Raptors trade him?

If this is possible, and the way the deal is structured, I think a sign and trade might occur with the Suns.

Jose + Fields for Nash.

No they can't trade him for 30 days.

And trust me, Fields might have been appealing to PHO at $2-3m, but at $20m for 3 years I doubt PHO, or any other team would want anything to do with him.

TOR could have signed Nash outright, it appears they feel he wants NY and are trying to block him.

We_need_players
07-03-2012, 01:47 PM
Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider
Knicks could offer Shumpert, Douglas, Gadzuric, Harrellson & Jordan to Suns & get Nash to starting # of $9.9 M. 4 years, $42M trump Raps?

Punk
07-03-2012, 01:47 PM
Big time **** blockage!!!

Love it:laugh:
Cool. Thanks for admitting you are scared.

knicks4life33
07-03-2012, 01:47 PM
and now Nash will sign with the Mavs lol

This

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-03-2012, 01:47 PM
Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider
Two glimmers of hope Knicks fans: 1. All verbal agreements aren't binding until 7/11. Fields could back out & agree to s&t with Knicks-Suns

This is our only chance @ Nash. Unless we trade Shumpert and Lin. And the only way I do that deal, is if BK gets Dwight, forcing us to make a deal. And even then I do what I can to keep Shump, I'd let Lin go, QUICK.

yanksrock
07-03-2012, 01:48 PM
I'm mad!!!!

knickfan447
07-03-2012, 01:48 PM
lol they can have that bum...watch we still get nash #knicks
Something is telling me the knicks are going to wind up with him or Jason kidd either way the knicks are fine i wanted him gone anyway.

elledaddy
07-03-2012, 01:49 PM
So wait, the Raptors are going to pay 20 million to fields( a bench player) so they can have the privilege to pay Nash 36 million? Ok so the knicks can't get Nash, they still will look at Felton,kidd or arron brooks for cheaper than not only nash but now fields. SMH... GO RAPS

mjt20mik
07-03-2012, 01:49 PM
No they can't trade him for 30 days.

And trust me, Fields might have been appealing to PHO at $2-3m, but at $20m for 3 years I doubt PHO, or any other team would want anything to do with him.

TOR could have signed Nash outright, it appears they feel he wants NY and are trying to block him.

Bad move by BC then. Again nothing is set in stone until July 11th.

justinnum1
07-03-2012, 01:49 PM
Cool. Thanks for admitting you are scared.

Like i said before, i would love knicks to get nash, will feel that much better when we beat you guys.

But i want him to go to tornoto because he is from there.

Now if knicks want nash they will almost assuredly need to send iman to phx, which shouldnt be to big of a deal because who knows how he will be after that knee injury.

BklynKnicks3
07-03-2012, 01:49 PM
bye drake lol

Fresno
07-03-2012, 01:50 PM
Lol obviously you didn't watch Melo in his two years with Iverson, Cuz Iverson would get into the paint, and kick out to Melo for a spot up J, constantly. You seriously don't think Melo can catch and shoot a wide open 19 footer as much as Nash runs around in the paint. GTFOH

No. If he could do that effectively last season, Mike D'Antoni would still have a job.

I watched plenty of Melo & AI in Denver. Did you somehow see more games than me on local TV? Im not talking about you watching only the ESPN/TNT televised games. Im talking all of their games by living in Colorado.:rolleyes:

The difference between Melo now and 5 years ago is the fact he's become more & more of an isolation scorer. He no longer goes to any other part of the court, he goes to the same spots to take the same shots. He's made his game more simple in an effort to perfect it. Part of that is because he has gotten out of shape going from weighing 221lbs back then to finishing last season at over 250lbs.

justinnum1
07-03-2012, 01:50 PM
So wait, the Raptors are going to pay 20 million to fields( a bench player) so they can have the privilege to pay Nash 36 million? Ok so the knicks can't get Nash, they still will look at Felton,kidd or arron brooks for cheaper than not only nash but now fields. SMH... GO RAPS

the cap hit for the raptors would be 6.8-6.8-6.8
the cap hit for ny would be 5-5-10

29$JerZ
07-03-2012, 01:51 PM
It would be hilarious if Nash says screw it I'll take a cut to go to NY and Toronto is stuck with Landry.

Best part of this move is that they stupidly did this to Fields and not Lin.
Makes Lin in NY even more likely.

dalton749
07-03-2012, 01:51 PM
Just shut the Raps down its pretty hopeless when we can't even get an already Canadian hero to want to play for our team. Nash paving the path for future Canadian players to follow

SportsNY
07-03-2012, 01:51 PM
Toronto beat the Knicks at a sign-and-trade, Fields for Nash most likely. FML. Fields is not worth 3yr 20million after his performance last season.

StinkEye
07-03-2012, 01:51 PM
total ****-blockage. tell me how my Nash tastes.

RonE Coleman
07-03-2012, 01:51 PM
LMAO so the Craptors will tie up 56 mil over 3 years for a scrub and steve nash

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-03-2012, 01:51 PM
All the trade possibilities leaves us thin @ SG.

xnick5757
07-03-2012, 01:52 PM
the cap hit for the raptors would be 6.8-6.8-6.8
the cap hit for ny would be 5-5-10

yep

driz
07-03-2012, 01:52 PM
I'm guessing the Raptors KNOW they won't win much...but spending as much money as they can to get the Canadian golden boy into their arena is their best bet at selling tickets and making money off their franchise.

Knick_Fever
07-03-2012, 01:52 PM
Big time **** blockage!!!

Love it:laugh:

Not really, Fields is just one of the few players that Knicks can use in sign&trade for Nash. Shump or Lin for example.

Fresno
07-03-2012, 01:53 PM
He met with the Knicks either yesterday or today (not for sure) But, I'm pretty sure he's well aware that Coach D'A is no longer the coach of the New York Knicks.

What does this prove?

He lives in NYC. Of course he's going to meet with the Knicks & Nets.

It would be bad press if he didn't do it. Same thing with the Raptors interest being they're a Canadian team.

nicegoing
07-03-2012, 01:54 PM
Clearly did this to prevent Knicks from getting Nash but now we are stuck overpaying a crappy bench player. James Johnson does every Fields can do. Still SMGDH

Bob_at_york
07-03-2012, 01:55 PM
I'm guessing the Raptors KNOW they won't win much...but spending as much money as they can to get the Canadian golden boy into their arena is their best bet at selling tickets and making money off their franchise.

I am afraid that they are thinking more about making money than winning.

justinnum1
07-03-2012, 01:56 PM
total ****-blockage. tell me how my Nash tastes.
:laugh:

Not really, Fields is just one of the few players that Knicks can use in sign&trade for Nash. Shump or Lin for example.

Shumpert makes 1.9mil. so maybe shump, lin, and harrelson for nash

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-03-2012, 01:56 PM
No. If he could do that effectively last season, Mike D'Antoni would still have a job.

I watched plenty of Melo & AI in Denver. Did you somehow see more games than me on local TV? Im not talking about you watching only the ESPN/TNT televised games. Im talking all of their games by living in Colorado.:rolleyes:

The difference between Melo now and 5 years ago is the fact he's become more & more of an isolation scorer. He no longer goes to any other part of the court, he goes to the same spots to take the same shots. He's made his game more simple in an effort to perfect it. Part of that is because he has gotten out of shape going from weighing 221lbs back then to finishing last season at over 250lbs.

League Pass homie. I've watched EVERY SINGLE Nugget's game since the 2003-till the Melo Trade to NY. So Yes I guarntee I watched more games then you, even tho your a local.

Yeah, he's become more of an ISO scorer, I agree. That doesn't mean that he can no longer shoot. Melo has a pure Jumper, Who on the Knicks kicks out to Melo?? Lol... D'A didn't lose his job because Melo couldn't make a basket. Melo will be in shape come this season.

xnick5757
07-03-2012, 01:56 PM
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
It sounds like Landry Fields' new deal would pay him $5 million in year one, $5.2 million in year two and $9.8 in year three. Poison pill.


Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
If TOR signs Fields, they can average the cost over the life of the contract. If NY matches, they'll have to pay $5 mil, $5.2 mil, $9.8 mil.

smart

Knick_Fever
07-03-2012, 01:57 PM
Like i said before, i would love knicks to get nash, will feel that much better when we beat you guys.

But i want him to go to tornoto because he is from there.

Now if knicks want nash they will almost assuredly need to send iman to phx, which shouldnt be to big of a deal because who knows how he will be after that knee injury.

**it, forget Knicks & Heat, we need to hold hands now and worry about them Nets!!!!!

Howard/DWill/JJ >> Lebron/Wade/Bosh
Howard/Dwill/JJ>>>Melo/Stat/Chandler

Fresno
07-03-2012, 01:58 PM
It would be hilarious if Nash says screw it I'll take a cut to go to NY and Toronto is stuck with Landry.

Best part of this move is that they stupidly did this to Fields and not Lin.
Makes Lin in NY even more likely.

Raptors can amnesty Calderon and give Lin the ultimate "Poison Pill" contract if the Nash thing falls thru.

LongIslandIcedZ
07-03-2012, 01:58 PM
I get the Raptors are trying to essentially veto the Knicks trading for Nash. So is Toronto now on the hook for 20million for Landry Fields, when there was no guarantee the Knicks were gonna get Nash to begin with?

C_Mund
07-03-2012, 01:58 PM
If this doesn't end up with us getting Nash we are SCREWED haha. I hope it's because Phoenix wanted Fields back and we didn't want to use all our FA money on Stevie. But if this is nothing but a blocking move..... wow. I didn't know we were THAT desperate.
Colangelo either roped up another exec. of the year or got himself FIRED

Shark
07-03-2012, 01:59 PM
Riiight. So, why the hell would he meet with them and talk about playing for them? Even openly saying he has them high on his list?

If he is Toronto bound, why hasn't he made a decision yet? He met with them and got their best offer on the market.

Stop and think sometime. Thanks.

Well, consider this, the top free agents never make a decision right away anyways. No Free Agents can sign prior to July 11th, so why not take advantage and have all these teams pitch **** to you and make you feel good. It does not cost a player anything to have all these teams throw free **** at them.

knickfan447
07-03-2012, 01:59 PM
Can some Knicks fan explain to me any sort of logical reasoning why Steve Nash wants to join a Knicks team under Mike Woodson?

Slow tempo, Heavy isolation basketball, & a defensive approach.

The only player he benefits is Amare Stoudemire because it was proven that Melo is terrible playing off the ball as a "shooter" and JR Smith has an even worse shot selection when he doesn't have a coach who will pull him off the court.
Because contrary to what people think the knicks have 3 bonafide all-stars .and a coach that stresses defense while till implementing some of the run and gun of the former coach.!

HouRealCoach
07-03-2012, 01:59 PM
If u applaud a guy for paying Fields 20 million over 3 years then you are an idiot :laugh:

As you all say the Knicks are nothing more than a first round exit team and Fields was even a top 9 player on this team so how in the hell does he deserve that much?

If Nash decides to go to Dallas who has a better chance to win, his friend Dirk, familiar surroundings, better team, & just as much if not more money then they are ****ed lol

Knicks in the meanwhile still have Chandler, Melo, Amare, Iman, Lin, JR, Novak, and money to spend on others

justinnum1
07-03-2012, 02:00 PM
**it, forget Knicks & Heat, we need to hold hands now and worry about them Nets!!!!!

Howard/DWill/JJ >> Lebron/Wade/Bosh
Howard/Dwill/JJ>>>Melo/Stat/Chandler

miami is better than them. they haven't even played a game yet. Miami and boston are my top 2 teams in the east as of now.

Nets,bulls, and NY are somewhere 3-5


even if nets got howard i would still pick miami over them but they have a lot of potential.

koreancabbage
07-03-2012, 02:01 PM
its actually not that bad- $5 per year is alright for a young player with promise. He just plays with Melo, who makes everyone around him look bad.

nycericanguy
07-03-2012, 02:02 PM
Raptors can amnesty Calderon and give Lin the ultimate "Poison Pill" contract if the Nash thing falls thru.

The joke would be on them if they end up paying $60-70m+ for Fields & Lin and crippling their flexibility.

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2012, 02:02 PM
If u applaud a guy for paying Fields 20 million over 3 years then you are an hater :laugh:



fixed

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2012, 02:03 PM
its actually not that bad- $5 per year is alright for a young player with promise. He just plays with Melo, who makes everyone around him look bad.

yeah keep telling yourself that, night in and night out

"he has promise"

"he has promise"

hahaha

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-03-2012, 02:03 PM
its actually not that bad- $5 per year is alright for a young player with promise. He just plays with Melo, who makes everyone around him look bad.

Lol. Like Aaron Aflalo?

koreancabbage
07-03-2012, 02:04 PM
I get the Raptors are trying to essentially veto the Knicks trading for Nash. So is Toronto now on the hook for 20million for Landry Fields, when there was no guarantee the Knicks were gonna get Nash to begin with?

u have to consider that first two years its only $5m per. $9 per at the end is pretty good as we clear up lots of space or luxury taxed teams can trade for an expiring.


this is only a bad deal:

1) if Nash still signs with NYK for chump change
2) only in the last year of his deal

Losoway
07-03-2012, 02:04 PM
To comment on what someone said

the heat are still the best but if the nets get howard they instantly are the second best team in the conference

Pens_fan_21
07-03-2012, 02:05 PM
Riiight. So, why the hell would he meet with them and talk about playing for them? Even openly saying he has them high on his list?

If he is Toronto bound, why hasn't he made a decision yet? He met with them and got their best offer on the market.

Stop and think sometime. Thanks.

He hasn't signed anywhere because he said he would be nice and listen to everyone who wanted to pitch an offer. he said that from the start.

Stop and think about that. Thanks!

justinnum1
07-03-2012, 02:05 PM
yeah keep telling yourself that, night in and night out

"he has promise"

"he has promise"

hahaha
Since he will be playing without melo and most likely have nash as his pg in toronto i bet he looks pretty damn good.

NYK|NYY
07-03-2012, 02:05 PM
its actually not that bad- $5 per year is alright for a young player with promise. He just plays with Melo, who makes everyone around him look bad.

I'll buy some of that, Landry has shown promise when he gets to slash to the basket, however, at 20 million..just a joke.

koreancabbage
07-03-2012, 02:05 PM
yeah keep telling yourself that, night in and night out

"he has promise"

"he has promise"

hahaha

oh come on, Melo and Amare on that team? you kidding me?

they are probably most overpaid players in the NBA other than JJ and a few others.

$5m per is NOT that bad.

nycericanguy
07-03-2012, 02:06 PM
u have to consider that first two years its only $5m per. $9 per at the end is pretty good as we clear up lots of space or luxury taxed teams can trade for an expiring.


this is only a bad deal:

1) if Nash still signs with NYK for chump change
2) only in the last year of his deal

It will count at 6.8m * 3 on TOR's cap.

NBA contracts are getting shorter, most are 3 or 4 year deals. So expiring don't hold nearly as much value as they used to because if you look around the league, there aren't many long term contracts that teams are dying to shed.

Trace
07-03-2012, 02:06 PM
u have to consider that first two years its only $5m per. $9 per at the end is pretty good as we clear up lots of space or luxury taxed teams can trade for an expiring.


this is only a bad deal:

1) if Nash still signs with NYK for chump change
2) only in the last year of his deal

We can average out the cost. Knicks can't. It's only backloaded if the Knicks match.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
07-03-2012, 02:07 PM
what if the raptors or someone else offers max for Lin?

They would probably knew that Knicks would match then ne thing is losing landry but no way they can lose Lin.

spreadeagle
07-03-2012, 02:08 PM
wow ddidnt see this coming....ive wanted Fields for a while but a lot of Raps and Knick fans told me he dropped of last year bigtime, this is interesting with the Nash thing lol

KniCks4LiFe
07-03-2012, 02:08 PM
Since he will be playing without melo and most likely have nash as his pg in toronto i bet he looks pretty damn good.

Nash would turn Fields into Marion. Fields game was never the same w/ the 1/2 court offense w/ Melo. Without him he's a different player.

The Knicks now can only get Nash if they throw in Lin or Shumpert.

koreancabbage
07-03-2012, 02:08 PM
lets be honest, Fields looked better/ good with a pass first pg.

Shumert didn't even get to play with Linsanity.

RC3
07-03-2012, 02:08 PM
Fields is horrible. He plays scared for some reason after the first half of the 2010-2011 season.

HouRealCoach
07-03-2012, 02:09 PM
Since he will be playing without melo and most likely have nash as his pg in toronto i bet he looks pretty damn good.

I agree... Because with the Knicks all he had was a bunch of WIDE open shots and layups

Its sad that Melo prevented him from getting good looks lol

nate2usmc
07-03-2012, 02:10 PM
Wow. I like Landry but damn he is overpaid. Good for him and good for Toronto for doing what it takes to get Nash. Ofcourse, he was not gonna be a Knick!

koreancabbage
07-03-2012, 02:12 PM
Fields is horrible. He plays scared for some reason after the first half of the 2010-2011 season.

his name is Melo

Lin got hurt

he played much better with Lin giving him the ball in transition

Fresno
07-03-2012, 02:12 PM
League Pass homie. I've watched EVERY SINGLE Nugget's game since the 2003-till the Melo Trade to NY. So Yes I guarntee I watched more games then you, even tho your a local.
Nice exaggeration. Heard these things before on the internet, but that doesn't change my opinion at all and its besides the point.



Yeah, he's become more of an ISO scorer, I agree. That doesn't mean that he can no longer shoot. Melo has a pure Jumper, Who on the Knicks kicks out to Melo?? Lol... D'A didn't lose his job because Melo couldn't make a basket. Melo will be in shape come this season.

Melo can "no longer" shoot, as he was never much of a "shooter" to begin with. It's irrelevant about his jumper. He's great at pulling up for shots. Some guys simply aren't adept at playing off the ball and understading the concept of spacing, let alone being able to knockdown spot-up 3's. Melo can't. Im not sure what you don't understand about this.

Yes, Mike D'Antoni lost his job because Melo put up career low numbers for a significant stretch of the season as D'Antoni put him on the ball as a quasi-Point Forward and then as another part of the offense when he returned from the groin injury. The Knicks had to make a choice of whether the struggles of their "Franchise player" to adapt to an uptempo offense without being a ball stopper and affecting the flow was more important than the coach with the system in place.

Nash is a great PG but his addition to the Knicks wouldn't make much if any sense if he weren't in a role that brought back a heavy Pick & Roll oriented offense around Nash/Amare. This leaves Melo in the same position he previously struggled in as a non-factor off the ball, but a ball stopper when given the ball. D'Antoni couldn't find the solution to make it work and I highly doubt Woodson could, espescially since Melo is the perfect fit for the offense he runs.

LongIslandIcedZ
07-03-2012, 02:12 PM
u have to consider that first two years its only $5m per. $9 per at the end is pretty good as we clear up lots of space or luxury taxed teams can trade for an expiring.


this is only a bad deal:

1) if Nash still signs with NYK for chump change
2) only in the last year of his deal

Yea thats kinda what I figured. I would love for Nash to sign for the cheap, that would be awesome.

Another question. It is my understanding that Lopez is also a Restricted Free Agent. Can't another team basically poison pill him and make him untradeable from NJ to Orlando?

Also Fields will be a good player with Toronto. Playing with Melo has hindered his production. He can be a quality player.

GrumpyOldMan
07-03-2012, 02:12 PM
Fields is a 46% shooter the past 2 seasons. Pretty good for a SG/SF. He just didn't get a lot of looks with Melo and Amare in NY. I don't think he will be a star, but he should be pretty good.

Knick4Knack
07-03-2012, 02:12 PM
u have to consider that first two years its only $5m per. $9 per at the end is pretty good as we clear up lots of space or luxury taxed teams can trade for an expiring.


this is only a bad deal:

1) if Nash still signs with NYK for chump change
2) only in the last year of his deal

Sir, I feel sorry for your team. I wanted Fields to succeed more than anyone, but indeed, he is a bum. That warped jumper of his will keep you in tears for the next several years. Not to mention his poor decisions on fast breaks. Oh, you shall see. At times last year, he was not worth the min.

Mark my words, this deal killed Nash to Toronto. Would you go to a team that hi-jacked your preferred destination?

Nasty bit of business that will keep the seats in your arena cold and lonely.

Fresno
07-03-2012, 02:13 PM
his name is Melo

Lin got hurt

he played much better with Lin giving him the ball in transition

Fields can't shoot.

Being successful in transition means thats all you can get out of him.

He changed his "broken" jumpshot form from his rookie year and it resulted in him putting up even worse shooting %'s.

Kashmir13579
07-03-2012, 02:13 PM
Simultaneously ****ing themselves and the Knicks

smith&wesson
07-03-2012, 02:13 PM
3 way trade

the suns get lin & fields

the knicks get calderon & hill

the raps get nash

=D

seriously I want the raps out of this deal and the nash deal. this is turning in to a mess. i dont want to over pay fields when we already have derozan and t.ross. nash is not worth anything more then 10 mill a year at this point. if we cant get him at 12 mill per year we should really get out of both these deals.

KniCks4LiFe
07-03-2012, 02:13 PM
Toronto is getting a good player. Watch Landry turn into that player that the Knicks had pre-Melo deal. It's no coincidence he upped his game when Melo wasn't on the court.

TheWhiteMamba
07-03-2012, 02:16 PM
The only team dumb enough to match this contract would be the Knicks. Gonna be hilarious when all the butthurt Knicks fans in here who are laughing at Toronto for signing Fields for $20M, see their owner match it lol.

LongIslandIcedZ
07-03-2012, 02:16 PM
Toronto is getting a good player. Watch Landry turn into that player that the Knicks had pre-Melo deal. It's no coincidence he upped his game when Melo wasn't on the court.

Even though I have not agreed with one thing you said in the last 3 days... This is absolutely correct.

koreancabbage
07-03-2012, 02:16 PM
Sir, I feel sorry for your team. I wanted Fields to succeed more than anyone, but indeed, he is a bum. That warped jumper of his will keep you in tears for the next several years. Not to mention his poor decisions on fast breaks. Oh, you shall see. At times last year, he was not worth the min.

Mark my words, this deal killed Nash to Toronto. Would you go to a team that hi-jacked your preferred destination?

Nasty bit of business that will keep the seats in your arena cold and lonely.

you guys killed your championship aspirations when you got melo.

Knick4Knack
07-03-2012, 02:16 PM
Yea thats kinda what I figured. I would love for Nash to sign for the cheap, that would be awesome.

Another question. It is my understanding that Lopez is also a Restricted Free Agent. Can't another team basically poison pill him and make him untradeable from NJ to Orlando?

Also Fields will be a good player with Toronto. Playing with Melo has hindered his production. He can be a quality player.

Melo had nothing to do with the form on Field's jumper, which stunk. Fields is what he is, a second rounder that flourished under a high octane offense, for a while.

Fresno
07-03-2012, 02:17 PM
Fields is a 46% shooter the past 2 seasons. Pretty good for a SG/SF. He just didn't get a lot of looks with Melo and Amare in NY. I don't think he will be a star, but he should be pretty good.

He got plenty of open looks to hit the 3.

Fact is he missed 75% of them.

knickfan447
07-03-2012, 02:17 PM
miami is better than them. they haven't even played a game yet. Miami and boston are my top 2 teams in the east as of now.

Nets,bulls, and NY are somewhere 3-5


even if nets got howard i would still pick miami over them but they have a lot of potential.

Miami actually is not as good as you think this is basically it for them the NBA gifted a championship to the heat it made good ratings sense when the bulls went down.

Knick4Knack
07-03-2012, 02:18 PM
you guys killed your championship aspirations when you got melo.

You guys killed your championship aspirations when you opened an franchise in Toronto.

iam brett favre
07-03-2012, 02:18 PM
Off season is so fun haha

Nash
Derozan
Fields
Bargs
Valuncunias

Ross: 6th man
Amir
Johnson
Davis
Acy
Bayless

Not bad, wonder when Calderon will get amnesty

As much as I love Nash...that team is going nowhere. Sorry.


Riiight. So, why the hell would he meet with them and talk about playing for them? Even openly saying he has them high on his list?

If he is Toronto bound, why hasn't he made a decision yet? He met with them and got their best offer on the market.

Stop and think sometime. Thanks.

u mad?

LongIslandIcedZ
07-03-2012, 02:18 PM
Melo had nothing to do with the form on Field's jumper, which stunk. Fields is what he is, a second rounder that flourished under a high octane offense, for a while.

Fields is at his best when it comes to slashing and finishing. If he becomes strictly a shooter in Toronto, he'll suck. I dont see that happening though.

Bklyn24
07-03-2012, 02:19 PM
so theres a chance i wont have to watch landry fire line drives off the front of the rim 10 times a game anymore? thank you raptors!

NYsFinest
07-03-2012, 02:20 PM
3 way trade

the suns get lin & fields

the knicks get calderon & hill
the raps get nash

=D

seriously I want the raps out of this deal and the nash deal. this is turning in to a mess. i dont want to over pay fields when we already have derozan and t.ross. nash is not worth anything more then 10 mill a year at this point. if we cant get him at 12 mill per year we should really get out of both these deals.

:eyebrow:

Fresno
07-03-2012, 02:20 PM
you guys killed your championship aspirations when you got melo.

Melo has been to the Eastern Conference Playoffs just as many times in 1 1/2 seasons in NY as the Raptors have in the last 9 seasons. #FACT

Whether Melo "killed their Championship aspirations" is irrelevant.

New York is still a better team than Toronto who is clearly pursuing Steve Nash to sell tickets.

justinnum1
07-03-2012, 02:20 PM
you guys killed your championship aspirations when you got melo.

Truth, but they will never acknowledge this.



Melo has been to the Eastern Conference Playoffs just as many times in 1 1/2 seasons in NY as the Raptors have in the last 9 seasons. #FACT

Whether Melo "killed their Championship aspirations" is irrelevant.

New York is still a better team than Toronto who is clearly pursuing Steve Nash to sell tickets.

So thats what this has come down to? Knicks goal is to be better than toronto? I thought they were trying to win a ring.

Kashmir13579
07-03-2012, 02:20 PM
Blame Canada

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-03-2012, 02:21 PM
Nice exaggeration. Heard these things before on the internet, but that doesn't change my opinion at all and its besides the point.



Melo can "no longer" shoot, as he was never much of a "shooter" to begin with. It's irrelevant about his jumper. He's great at pulling up for shots. Some guys simply aren't adept at playing off the ball and understading the concept of spacing, let alone being able to knockdown spot-up 3's. Melo can't. Im not sure what you don't understand about this.

Yes, Mike D'Antoni lost his job because Melo put up career low numbers for a significant stretch of the season as D'Antoni put him on the ball as a quasi-Point Forward and then as another part of the offense when he returned from the groin injury. The Knicks had to make a choice of whether the struggles of their "Franchise player" to adapt to an uptempo offense without being a ball stopper and affecting the flow was more important than the coach with the system in place.

Nash is a great PG but his addition to the Knicks wouldn't make much if any sense if he weren't in a role that brought back a heavy Pick & Roll oriented offense around Nash/Amare. This leaves Melo in the same position he previously struggled in as a non-factor off the ball, but a ball stopper when given the ball. D'Antoni couldn't find the solution to make it work and I highly doubt Woodson could, espescially since Melo is the perfect fit for the offense he runs.

Lol not an exacgeration, well if that's your only come back is to say I'm lying... Well then suit urself. Ask about me in the Nugget's forum, They may say I'm a trader or somethin but, even they know in there.

That's where D'A messed up... putting Melo @ Pointforward... He's not LeBron.

Melo played fine with Andre Miller and Earl Boykins dominating the ball
Melo played fine with Iverson dominating the ball
Melo played fine with Chauncey Dominating the ball

Melo didn't take more then 17 shots, under Woodson, and played very very well. Oh wait... Nash still doesn't know that D'A resigned almost 6 months ago.

nate2usmc
07-03-2012, 02:21 PM
I don't get why my fellow Knicks fans are *****inn about this?? Nash was never coming to NY and Toronto overpaid Fields to make sure he wasn't. On to the next one!

koreancabbage
07-03-2012, 02:21 PM
You guys killed your championship aspirations when you opened an franchise in Toronto.

ROFL

u don't even make sense.

roshan3ai
07-03-2012, 02:22 PM
That is one terrible contract. Raps clearly trying to prevent a S&T for Nash

Fresno
07-03-2012, 02:22 PM
Miami actually is not as good as you think this is basically it for them the NBA gifted a championship to the heat it made good ratings sense when the bulls went down.

Miami has eliminated Chicago, Boston, Indiana, Philly & New York the last 2 Playoffs. They've proven in the Playoffs that the are the best team in the East and did it without a healthy Bosh or Wade.

So how exactly did the NBA "gift" them a championship.

Stop being a hater. They're a very good team. Nothing more, nothing less.

koreancabbage
07-03-2012, 02:25 PM
Melo has been to the Eastern Conference Playoffs just as many times in 1 1/2 seasons in NY as the Raptors have in the last 9 seasons. #FACT

Whether Melo "killed their Championship aspirations" is irrelevant.

New York is still a better team than Toronto who is clearly pursuing Steve Nash to sell tickets.

of course its relevant.

its saying that the Knicks won't win a championship with Melo there.

You can go to the playoffs all you want but when you lost 13 straight games in playoffs, its not really saying much.

Kashmir13579
07-03-2012, 02:26 PM
Raps just bet 20 million on the turn, holding a gut-shot straight draw.

justinnum1
07-03-2012, 02:26 PM
Miami actually is not as good as you think this is basically it for them the NBA gifted a championship to the heat it made good ratings sense when the bulls went down.

:laugh:

Nice try, good effort. (http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/thumb/2/2d/Trollface_HD.png/618px-Trollface_HD.png)

koreancabbage
07-03-2012, 02:26 PM
Miami actually is not as good as you think this is basically it for them the NBA gifted a championship to the heat it made good ratings sense when the bulls went down.

ROFL stop making new accounts to cover your ***** Brooklyn fans

nate2usmc
07-03-2012, 02:26 PM
Miami has eliminated Chicago, Boston, Indiana, Philly & New York the last 2 Playoffs. They've proven in the Playoffs that the are the best team in the East and did it without a healthy Bosh or Wade.

So how exactly did the NBA "gift" them a championship.

Stop being a hater. They're a very good team. Nothing more, nothing less.

Agreed.

Don't know why Knicks fans and Raps fans are going at it?? Toronto's main mission is to be attractive again and Knicks can still be competitive without Nash!

Don't tell me the Knicks are Championship "contenders" when they got a declining Rashard errr Amare on the payroll for the next three years and an overpaid Melo to prohibit any progress through FA.

Cromedome
07-03-2012, 02:27 PM
I'm sure David Kahn has something to do with this.

Donuts365
07-03-2012, 02:28 PM
this offseason is the best i been laughing since june 28

driz
07-03-2012, 02:30 PM
League Pass homie. I've watched EVERY SINGLE Nugget's game since the 2003-till the Melo Trade to NY. So Yes I guarntee I watched more games then you, even tho your a local.

No you didn't. There isn't a chance in hell you've tuned in for 600 Denver games, never missing one. You're lying to try and prove a point.

carruthers32
07-03-2012, 02:30 PM
3 way trade

the suns get lin & fields

the knicks get calderon & hill

the raps get nash

=D

seriously I want the raps out of this deal and the nash deal. this is turning in to a mess. i dont want to over pay fields when we already have derozan and t.ross. nash is not worth anything more then 10 mill a year at this point. if we cant get him at 12 mill per year we should really get out of both these deals.

Ross won't be ready right away, need someone to bridge the gap.

Knick4Knack
07-03-2012, 02:30 PM
this offseason is the best i been laughing since june 28

Agreed. Smoking crack before extended offer sheets must be in the new CBA.

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2012, 02:31 PM
Toronto is getting a good player. Watch Landry turn into that player that the Knicks had pre-Melo deal. It's no coincidence he upped his game when Melo wasn't on the court.

What Landry Fields were you watching??? Mike Woodson wouldnt even play the guy once he became coach. So what game did he up? Are you just making things up just to pacify your PSD friends?

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-03-2012, 02:31 PM
No you didn't. There isn't a chance in hell you've tuned in for 600 Denver games, never missing one. You're lying to try and prove a point.

No, I'm not. The games I couldn't watch. Would be DVR'd and I'd watch em later... I go out of my way to watch the Nugget's, and now Knicks games.

nate2usmc
07-03-2012, 02:32 PM
BTW, Miami has the perfect big 3 and they did it the right way. Heat fans are VERY fortunate for having an awesome Prez in Riley and SMART players to get it all together. If Amare and Melo REALLY WANTED a ring in NY, they would'nt have signed for 20 mil a year (avg) contracts. They would've done it the way the real big 3 did. Sign for lower than their max value and come through FA where that team didn;t give up too many assets to get them.

mj1
07-03-2012, 02:32 PM
i honestly think what toronto should do is,
put the offer sheet for landry, if new york doesnt match it, amnesty landry immediately
in the mean time look for jose and amir to go somewhere and trade them
with the 13 mil cap space they have now use it all towards steve nash
or
get nash in a sign and trade sending Calderone and Fields to Phoenix
and amnesty Amir Johnson or Kleiza

Bob_at_york
07-03-2012, 02:32 PM
Can we please stop talking about the Miami Heat in a thread that is suppose to be about the Knicks/Raptors and maybe the Suns?

Also guys, quit insulting each other.

koreancabbage
07-03-2012, 02:35 PM
What Landry Fields were you watching??? Mike Woodson wouldnt even play the guy once he became coach. So what game did he up? Are you just making things up just to pacify your PSD friends?

the same woodson who couldn't coach his hawks team in the playoffs?

whats funny is that they get a coach who can't out coach opposing coaches in the playoffs (nor make it past the conference semifinals on a very good ATL team) and team him up with Melo, who can't win the playoffs.

=)

Mile High Champ
07-03-2012, 02:35 PM
Great move by BC. I really like Fields game and believe he will contribute next season for us. Plus a 3 year commitment is nothing at this point to undertake. While many believe Nash is the goal in all this, The Raps may have landed a good two way SF in the process. Like the deal for Toronto a lot.

Knick4Knack
07-03-2012, 02:36 PM
Deleted post. Sorry, Mod.

nate2usmc
07-03-2012, 02:36 PM
Can we please stop talking about the Miami Heat in a thread that is suppose to be about the Knicks/Raptors and maybe the Suns?

Also guys, quit insulting each other.

Seriously, this is the first time I've seen pages and pages of Knicks and Raps fans insulting each other. it's kinda weird.

To my dismay, Miami is the team that every team is making moves to atleast compete with.

NYKnickFanatic
07-03-2012, 02:36 PM
i honestly think what toronto should do is,
put the offer sheet for landry, if new york doesnt match it, amnesty landry immediately
in the mean time look for jose and amir to go somewhere and trade them
with the 13 mil cap space they have now use it all towards steve nash
or
get nash in a sign and trade sending Calderone and Fields to Phoenix
and amnesty Amir Johnson or Kleiza

They cant do that, new guy.

TO to the CHI
07-03-2012, 02:37 PM
Raps just bet 20 million on the turn, holding a gut-shot straight draw.

I don't really follow this logic. First, the Raptors would seemingly be better than 10% (a gut shot on the turn) to get Nash which is what they are betting on. Second, the reality is that the Raptors have not (and seemingly cannot) attract premium free agents. I say that as a die hard Raptors fan who grew up in Toronto. History has borne that out. With that in mind, the Raps have boosted their chances to obtain their best ever free agent (Nash), which would increase revenues dramatically, while at worst adding a competent player at a slight overpay in Landry (let's be honest at 3/12-15, no one would be ripping this deal apart). Seems to me that this was a crafty move by BC with a limited downside (any harm to the Raptors' cap situation is, in reality, just not that big a deal).

As a total non-sequitur, it has been a very long time since I have posted, but Justinuum, congrats on the title. You may be the most annoying guy on PSD (domefavors likely holds that title), but your team pulled through and it was well earned. Congrats.

driz
07-03-2012, 02:37 PM
You didn't have a DVR in 2003 homie.

The Raptors are pulling out all the stops to land Nash. Landry is a pawn in the game, and it's going to yield him far more money than he's worth. Toronto figures they can make money off the deal once they get Nash. Every Canadian kid will be rocking a Nash jersey with Toronto on the front.

But, the man has won two MVPs and never landed the ring. A return to the homeland would mean a lot for him, I'm sure...but more than a shot at a ring?? The shot ain't there in Canadia. A decent chance in NY, sure. Personally, I'd love to see him return to Dallas to play with Dirk again.

smith&wesson
07-03-2012, 02:38 PM
Ross won't be ready right away, need someone to bridge the gap.

i disagree. ready for what exactly ? derozan is our starting sg. are you telling me that our 8th pick in the draft isnt ready to be his back up ?

one of the reasons we picked t.ross is because he was a player our management felt is ready to contribute.

koreancabbage
07-03-2012, 02:38 PM
:facepalm:

U Mad Son = Miami = O.K.

U Mad Son = Lakers = O.K.

U Mad Son = Celtics = O.K.

U Mad Son = Spurs = O.K.

U Mad Son = Raptors = :laugh:

oh, by the way - its existence, but it's o.k. People usually misspell things when they are mad. ;)

okay, so you basically can't say anything either.

gotcha

NYKnickFanatic
07-03-2012, 02:39 PM
Great move by BC. I really like Fields game and believe he will contribute next season for us. Plus a 3 year commitment is nothing at this point to undertake. While many believe Nash is the goal in all this, The Raps may have landed a good two way SF in the process. Like the deal for Toronto a lot.

Seriously? You think Fields is worth the money?

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2012, 02:42 PM
the same woodson who couldn't coach his hawks team in the playoffs?

whats funny is that they get a coach who can't out coach opposing coaches in the playoffs (nor make it past the conference semifinals on a very good ATL team) and team him up with Melo, who can't win the playoffs.

=)

this same Hawks team that was just blown apart?? ok

he got this Hawks team to the playoffs...and Im not gonna rank on them just to make you guys happy. I know thats the ahole PSD way

Mile High Champ
07-03-2012, 02:42 PM
Seriously? You think Fields is worth the money?

I do. It's only a three year deal dn I saw a lot of promise in his rookie year. I believe a change of scenery is needed and a more defined role in the offense. With some consistent minutes/roll I see Fields makinh some strides next season and beyond. It's a good signing In my mind and gives us a good young piece to add to our young roster.

smith&wesson
07-03-2012, 02:43 PM
Great move by BC. I really like Fields game and believe he will contribute next season for us. Plus a 3 year commitment is nothing at this point to undertake. While many believe Nash is the goal in all this, The Raps may have landed a good two way SF in the process. Like the deal for Toronto a lot.

You dont feel that fields is small to be a 3 ?

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-03-2012, 02:43 PM
You didn't have a DVR in 2003 homie.

The Raptors are pulling out all the stops to land Nash. Landry is a pawn in the game, and it's going to yield him far more money than he's worth. Toronto figures they can make money off the deal once they get Nash. Every Canadian kid will be rocking a Nash jersey with Toronto on the front.

But, the man has won two MVPs and never landed the ring. A return to the homeland would mean a lot for him, I'm sure...but more than a shot at a ring?? The shot ain't there in Canadia. A decent chance in NY, sure. Personally, I'd love to see him return to Dallas to play with Dirk again.

Ok, bro. I've watched ALL of Carmelo's NBA games. Deal with it.

smood999
07-03-2012, 02:43 PM
Landry isn't worth anywhere near 20 mil...it's clearly about Nash..instead of giving Nash more money...Tor just spent 20 mil to make sure Nash happened...good business move...will suck in the third yr when Landry is making like 10 mil..

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2012, 02:43 PM
If you wanna go with Justindumb's wonderful assessment, then by all means go with it.

But Landry Fields was draft at 39th and then lost his sport to Iman Shumpert for a reason.

koreancabbage
07-03-2012, 02:44 PM
this same Hawks team that was just blown apart?? ok

he got this Hawks team to the playoffs...and Im not gonna rank on them just to make you guys happy. I know thats the ahole PSD way

well yea, but that team has very good players. its hard to not make the playoffs with good players on the team i.e. NYK

RC3
07-03-2012, 02:45 PM
Truth, but they will never acknowledge this.




So thats what this has come down to? Knicks goal is to be better than toronto? I thought they were trying to win a ring.

Yep it's all melo's fault.:)

Kashmir13579
07-03-2012, 02:45 PM
I don't really follow this logic. First, the Raptors would seemingly be better than 10% (a gut shot on the turn) to get Nash which is what they are betting on. Second, the reality is that the Raptors have not (and seemingly cannot) attract premium free agents. I say that as a die hard Raptors fan who grew up in Toronto. History has borne that out. With that in mind, the Raps have boosted their chances to obtain their best ever free agent (Nash), which would increase revenues dramatically, while at worst adding a competent player at a slight overpay in Landry (let's be honest at 3/12-15, no one would be ripping this deal apart). Seems to me that this was a crafty move by BC with a limited downside (any harm to the Raptors' cap situation is, in reality, just not that big a deal).

As a total non-sequitur, it has been a very long time since I have posted, but Justinuum, congrats on the title. You may be the most annoying guy on PSD (domefavors likely holds that title), but your team pulled through and it was well earned. Congrats.
Ok so then gut shot after the flop. :rolleyes:

NYKnickFanatic
07-03-2012, 02:46 PM
I do. It's only a three year deal dn I saw a lot of promise in his rookie year. I believe a change of scenery is needed and a more defined role in the offense. With some consistent minutes/roll I see Fields makinh some strides next season and beyond. It's a good signing In my mind and gives us a good young piece to add to our young roster.

Well hopefully his game pans out. I like Fields, but I wouldnt want to pay him that much. He is a nice guy on/off the court, brings a lot of hustle and energy to the game and a decent defender. Hopefully he can fix his shot and he will be ok.

GiantsSwaGG
07-03-2012, 02:47 PM
This move actually helped the Knicks. He sucks!

Kashmir13579
07-03-2012, 02:47 PM
I'm sure David Kahn has something to do with this.

I was thinking this earlier. Raps have just beat out Minni for my most hated front office in the world. (Other than our own front office, of course)

$GangGr33n$
07-03-2012, 02:48 PM
20 mil for Fields have him and have fun!

PleaseBeNice
07-03-2012, 02:49 PM
Thank god the lockout, and the new CBA have fixed people overspending...

Punk
07-03-2012, 02:51 PM
As much as this deal hurts a S&T that would include Fields, Nash can still come here if he chooses too. So....We'll see.

All I know is, Shumpert being traded I am against.

GiantsSwaGG
07-03-2012, 02:51 PM
The guy is going to be paid 8.5 million in his final year....lmao are the raptors serious. I understand they want Nash badly but damn, they might as well suck his dick maybe he'll budge!

AddiX
07-03-2012, 02:55 PM
Still cant believe toronto went to this length to try and secure Nash.

And how dare the owners blame players and the union for overpaying, seems pretty clear the owners do it all by themselves.

nate2usmc
07-03-2012, 02:57 PM
Thank god the lockout, and the new CBA have fixed people overspending...

Right?! In the upcoming CBA, there will be the same *****hin owners compalining about losing $$ lol

TO to the CHI
07-03-2012, 02:57 PM
Ok so then gut shot after the flop. :rolleyes:

Keep trying and you might get there eventually. The Raps got their money in good here regardless of the value on Landry. At the end of the day, Toronto (as much as it is a wonderful city) is not an NBA free agent destination. They just added a solid role player for a slight overpay while enhancing their chances to land a stud in Nash (and yes, despite his age, I consider him a stud seeing as to how his play is still very solid, he is a huge draw, and he makes his teammates better). The Raptors have no risk here other than paying Landry Fields a couple million over what he is really worth. For a team that is very rich but can't spend it all, that's about as big a no-brainer as you can find.

koreancabbage
07-03-2012, 02:58 PM
Still cant believe toronto went to this length to try and secure Nash.

And how dare the owners blame players and the union for overpaying, seems pretty clear the owners do it all by themselves.

what do you mean? NY gutted this team to get Melo

NY was in WAY better shape before Melo got here.

meloman1592
07-03-2012, 03:00 PM
toronto is beyond desperate for nash

Six-8-TheWizard
07-03-2012, 03:01 PM
Not sure if its been posted yet but the Raps dont have to have the contract backloaded if NY doesn't match. It would be averaged out over 3 yrs. The Backloaded 3rd year is only if NY matches and keeps Fields

ink
07-03-2012, 03:01 PM
what do you mean? NY gutted this team to get Melo

NY was in WAY better shape before Melo got here.

Nuggets say thank you. :cool:

fadedmario
07-03-2012, 03:02 PM
Makes the draft for Toronto even more confusing. I like the Raptors and their fans on here though. If it makes your team better - I'm all for it.

spreadeagle
07-03-2012, 03:03 PM
Anyone else think that if Raps dont get Nash, it helps with Lin because his buddy Fields is now here too.....although I know most Toronto fans are sour on Lin haha

spreadeagle
07-03-2012, 03:04 PM
Makes the draft for Toronto even more confusing. I like the Raptors and their fans on here though. If it makes your team better - I'm all for it.

I was thinking that too, 2 things. Maybe Fields plays SF? i do in NB2k lol also maybe a Derozan trade coming down the pipe. Calderon plus Deorozan could get you a nice player back

nate2usmc
07-03-2012, 03:05 PM
Makes the draft for Toronto even more confusing. I like the Raptors and their fans on here though. If it makes your team better - I'm all for it.

Agreed. I'm a Knicks fan and wish the best for Toronto because I like the fans and Landry :love:

nicegoing
07-03-2012, 03:05 PM
Anyone else think that if Raps dont get Nash, it helps with Lin because his buddy Fields is now here too.....although I know most Toronto fans are sour on Lin haha
We can't go from Kyle Lowry to Steve Nash to Lin!

nate2usmc
07-03-2012, 03:06 PM
Anyone else think that if Raps dont get Nash, it helps with Lin because his buddy Fields is now here too.....although I know most Toronto fans are sour on Lin haha

I was thinking the same. What if Toronto somehow signed Nash AND Lin??! That's when I would start hating you and your FO lol

Wray77
07-03-2012, 03:07 PM
I was thinking that too, 2 things. Maybe Fields plays SF? i do in NB2k lol also maybe a Derozan trade coming down the pipe. Calderon plus Deorozan could get you a nice player back

I believe that's where he was before Carmelo arrived.

koreancabbage
07-03-2012, 03:08 PM
toronto is beyond desperate for nash

Like Howard is desperate for Brooklyn, or NYKs for Melo?

if you want it, you go get it. that's the way the world works.

If Nash gets here, Fields will be worth a lot more in his first two years of his contract. last year.of that contract... not so much but hey, if this is what BC has to do, its what he has to do.

and Nash is no ordinary point guard, he still got 2-3 years left.

smith&wesson
07-03-2012, 03:09 PM
just let the knicks have him. they can contend with nash, melo, stat, & chandler in the east.

we need to go after dragic or lowry.

Wray77
07-03-2012, 03:09 PM
Agreed. I'm a Knicks fan and wish the best for Toronto because I like the fans and Landry :love:

And lets be honest, Toronto isn't really competing with NY, the Raps will be grateful just to get in the playoffs, the Knicks will be disappointed if they get out of the second round.

Kashmir13579
07-03-2012, 03:10 PM
Keep trying and you might get there eventually. The Raps got their money in good here regardless of the value on Landry. At the end of the day, Toronto (as much as it is a wonderful city) is not an NBA free agent destination. They just added a solid role player for a slight overpay while enhancing their chances to land a stud in Nash (and yes, despite his age, I consider him a stud seeing as to how his play is still very solid, he is a huge draw, and he makes his teammates better). The Raptors have no risk here other than paying Landry Fields a couple million over what he is really worth. For a team that is very rich but can't spend it all, that's about as big a no-brainer as you can find.

pfffft. I hope to god it backfires.

ACanadian
07-03-2012, 03:10 PM
Oh BC I love it man hahahahahahahha! WHAT A TROLL

smood999
07-03-2012, 03:10 PM
what do you mean? NY gutted this team to get Melo

NY was in WAY better shape before Melo got here.

we were a 500 team...we finished 6 games above this season..and we still haven't seen the Knicks at full health...

Anthony Randolph
Eddy Curry
Gallinari
Chandler
Mozgov
Felton

became

Chandler
Melo
Lin

you wouldn't do that? not to mention, Felton may come back now that it seems the Knicks are out of the Nash running... Nuggets are still good but not as good as they were with Melo and the Knicks have gotten better...

but this is about Landry and the Raptors...good move and it hurts the Knicks in many other ways...but idk if Nash is worth 56 mil...that's essentially what it is

jimm120
07-03-2012, 03:11 PM
If anything Landry to the Suns would make me think it's almost done. This seems like more of a blockade to make Nash to the Knicks for difficult. Those tricky Raptors...

ditto.

This seems more like screwing with the Knicks only asset in getting Nash in a sign & Trade.

spreadeagle
07-03-2012, 03:11 PM
I believe that's where he was before Carmelo arrived.

Ya I think Fields would be nice for Raptors at SF, they have no one there right now "Kleiza, James Johnson"

Evolution23
07-03-2012, 03:11 PM
Landry is a bum any way

CEasFiRe
07-03-2012, 03:12 PM
well plan b may also work, didnt want fields back anyways

jimm120
07-03-2012, 03:16 PM
we were a 500 team...we finished 6 games above this season..and we still haven't seen the Knicks at full health...

Anthony Randolph
Eddy Curry
Gallinari
Chandler
Mozgov
Felton

became

Chandler
Melo
Lin

you wouldn't do that? not to mention, Felton may come back now that it seems the Knicks are out of the Nash running... Nuggets are still good but not as good as they were with Melo and the Knicks have gotten better...

but this is about Landry and the Raptors...good move and it hurts the Knicks in many other ways...but idk if Nash is worth 56 mil...that's essentially what it is

Exactly.

Er were a .500 team that was as follows:

3-8 to start the season
13-1 fabled run with Amare playing like an MVP, Felton like an allstar, and Wilson as a "gotta sign him"
12-18 once things got back to normal (felton played "normal", Chandler played normal, and Amare played like an all-star, not MVP)

So, in essence, we were a .500 team at the trade. But looking at the numbers more closely, you see that the Knicks were really a below .500 team cause its not every day you go 13-1 and Amare/Felton/Wilson play the way they were playing.

Wray77
07-03-2012, 03:17 PM
Maybe BC isn't screwing Nash's chance of signing with the Knicks, maybe Landry was the guy Steve really wanted to play with :)

NYK4L
07-03-2012, 03:18 PM
Later gator!!

Punk
07-03-2012, 03:19 PM
what do you mean? NY gutted this team to get Melo

NY was in WAY better shape before Melo got here.
Lol

Having a 27-27 record, 12-17 record after going 15-9, two losing streaks, Amare being tired and frustrated with Gallo's inconsistent play.

Please tell me where we were in better shape?


Nice try, though. You clearly didn't know what went on.

jon32
07-03-2012, 03:20 PM
If fields stays in T.o and this isnt to use him in a s&t then hopefully goodbye derozan , cant have two bad shooting wings like that

blastmasta26
07-03-2012, 03:22 PM
Just to play devil's advocate, Fields could thrive playing potentially with Nash if they run the floor. And he wasn't a bad shooter in his rookie year, changing his form was what really screwed him over. That contract is overpaying though, no matter what the perspective. It's kind of funny, to be honest, if they made this move solely to prevent the Knicks from getting Nash.

Jays Claw
07-03-2012, 03:23 PM
BC knows he's got to showcase a winning product on the floor with his GM/VP contract soon to be expiring. He's going all out to get his guy (Nash) and if that means overpaying for role players then so be it. I personally don't like the money being offered but I do like Fields. He's got great defensive intangibles and abilities and doesn't necessarily have to be the #2 or #3 option on an offense. It's been known that coach Casey has liked Fields ever since he entered the league and I honestly do think Fields can thrive under Casey's defensive philosophy. Solid player, not so great contract.

Jays Claw
07-03-2012, 03:26 PM
If fields stays in T.o and this isnt to use him in a s&t then hopefully goodbye derozan , cant have two bad shooting wings like that

Sorry, but BC believes DeRozan and Ross will compliment each other on both ends of the floor. DeRozan isn't going anywhere. He's secretly become one of BC's untouchables along with Bargs and Valanciunas.

Bornknick73
07-03-2012, 03:28 PM
Later Fields...Ill miss your 2 pts and your halftime magic show when you pull a vanishing act. Though I will say I loved him as a locker room and glue guy but the production isnt worth 3 years and 20 mil.

While most think the Knicks are in trouble we are far from it.

Ill take back my baby bulldog Felton, Reggie Evans and Kenyon Martin. And as icing on the cake Ill take Anthony Randolph back too. I think Woodson can straighten his dumbass out. And his value is at a all time low. Knicks get tougher, more boards and Felton reunites with amare on the PnR.

I think Woodson and Tyson can get through to Randolph.

NYY 26 to 7
07-03-2012, 03:32 PM
Oh wow that's a bad and desperate deal for the raptors. A sg who can't shoot or create for himself and gets lost with his assignments on d. That's alot to just be a blockade for the Knicks to s&t for Nash.

heyman321
07-03-2012, 03:37 PM
What's funny is that if Nash actually signs with the raptors he will turn Fields into Shawn Marion

Blitzbolt
07-03-2012, 03:38 PM
What a great move by toronto really impressive Fields is a nice player also.

sunsfan88
07-03-2012, 03:39 PM
So NY...we'll be waiting for Shumpert... :D

jesusr77
07-03-2012, 03:40 PM
Remember when fields sang that song "I wanna be a champion so freakin bad"...He actually meant "I wanna be a Millionare" We laughed and now he is well on his way!!! LOL

$KnicksAndKobe$
07-03-2012, 03:42 PM
So NY...we'll be waiting for Shumpert... :D

:mad:

mjt20mik
07-03-2012, 03:43 PM
Fields (without Melo) was pretty solid for the Knicks. I think it is the ISO type of plays that really killed his production. I think he should be able to return to his rookie form with Casey as HC.

meloman1592
07-03-2012, 03:45 PM
Losing Fields is a plus in my book...its the fact that we can't s&t for nash now that hurts

KnickFanSince91
07-03-2012, 03:45 PM
All it takes is Fields signing an offer sheet outside of NY and he's a good player now? :laugh:

FaM0us Skins
07-03-2012, 03:47 PM
Fields is a good fit on the Raptors. Nash will make him a better player

Raps Insider 12
07-03-2012, 03:47 PM
Without Fields, does this mean more touches for Melo?