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ManRam
07-01-2012, 07:39 PM
@WojYahooNBA: Rockets have reached agreement with Omer Asik on a three-year, $25.1 million contract, league source tells Y! Sports.

Good for him!

popo85
07-01-2012, 07:41 PM
First FA signing of the summer, who's next?

lamar2006
07-01-2012, 07:41 PM
overpaid. Rockets were desperate now they get a mediocre player. great job Houston.

LTBaByyy
07-01-2012, 07:42 PM
Wow the Rockets :facepalm:

Now they have 11 NBA back ups all in the front court

$KnicksAndKobe$
07-01-2012, 07:42 PM
8.3 mill for a backup center that averaged 3 and 5 /=

Good for Asik and his family.

popo85
07-01-2012, 07:42 PM
Overpaid but good thing it's only a 3 year deal...

ManRam
07-01-2012, 07:43 PM
I'm guessing they're assuming he can be the next Gortat, which isn't foolish. His size is amazing and he's got room to grow. Given the minutes, he's easily a 12-14/10 player.

I think the full MLE would have been more fair, but what's a million or two more a year?

I don't think it's awful.

LTBaByyy
07-01-2012, 07:44 PM
Bulls won't miss him at all. They can get 3 pts and 5 rebounds a game from a lot of big men

dtmagnet
07-01-2012, 07:44 PM
I think he can be an effective starter, and given that Hibbert is looking at a max deal this doesn't look too bad.

GoPacers33
07-01-2012, 07:44 PM
Ehh it's pushing it but not by too much I think

WolvesJagsOs
07-01-2012, 07:45 PM
I'm guessing they're assuming he can be the next Gortat, which isn't foolish. His size is amazing and he's got room to grow. Given the minutes, he's easily a 12-14/10 player.

I think the full MLE would have been more fair, but what's a million or two more a year?

I don't think it's awful.

I agree with this completely. I like Asik's potential. Solid signing, bit of an overpayment though.

Avenged
07-01-2012, 07:46 PM
lmao. good for him but wth, Rockets.. why?

3 ppg, 5 rebounds. :clap: great deal.

popo85
07-01-2012, 07:47 PM
I'm guessing they're assuming he can be the next Gortat, which isn't foolish. His size is amazing and he's got room to grow. Given the minutes, he's easily a 12-14/10 player.

I think the full MLE would have been more fair, but what's a million or two more a year?

I don't think it's awful.

Gortat or Pekovic who had a solid year with Minny 14ppg 7rpg although Gortat had Nash feeding him the ball and Peko playing next to K.Love got alot of open chances to rebound and score.

Raps18-19 Champ
07-01-2012, 07:47 PM
Get out of the East.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
07-01-2012, 07:48 PM
People in here really need to look at what he does outside of of PPG and RPG lol. It's a slight over payment though. I would've given him 5.5 or 6 million.

North Yorker
07-01-2012, 07:49 PM
So... if the Rockets do end up landing him does this take them out of a possible Dwight rental?

ManRam
07-01-2012, 07:50 PM
Per 36 minutes last year he was an 8-13 player. 13 rebounds in 36 minutes is great.


If he qualified, he'd have the third best Total Rebound % in the NBA behind only Camby and Howard. He has the ability already to be an elite rebounder. Get 10-12 points out of him and that's gravy. He's a good defender too.


You can knock him for his ppg and rpg when playing 15 minutes a game, but that's not how you evaluate players. Give him minutes and he'll put up good numbers. It's stupid. Gortat had no better stats in his time backing up Howard, and look how he turned out. Can't knock a dude's per game stats when he's playing less than 15 minutes a game :laugh:


Now, if they are paying him to be a backup (ie they trade for Dwight) then it's a bit questionable.

sager729
07-01-2012, 07:50 PM
IIRC the Bulls can still match this offer.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
07-01-2012, 07:51 PM
IIRC the Bulls can still match this offer.

They've got 3 days to.

Procision
07-01-2012, 07:52 PM
Its 5 5 and 15.1 in the 3rd year.

ABOMB_56
07-01-2012, 07:52 PM
Are people honestly just looking at PPG and RPG as a justification to why this deal sucks? :laugh2: Look at his Per36 stats, and he boasted a dRTG of 92. The man is going to help protect the paint and that is exactly what he is being paid to do.

AddiX
07-01-2012, 07:52 PM
"Hey yo, Omar coming! Omar coming!"

Rockets just got jacked man...

C-Style
07-01-2012, 07:53 PM
What does this mean for Dwight?

CEasFiRe
07-01-2012, 07:56 PM
only could imagine whatd they pay me to play now

ManRam
07-01-2012, 07:56 PM
Are people honestly just looking at PPG and RPG as a justification to why this deal sucks? :laugh2: Look at his Per36 stats, and he boasted a dRTG of 92. The man is going to help protect the paint and that is exactly what he is being paid to do.

Seriously. What more do they want from him in his 14.7 minutes :laugh:

And it's not like he's backing up a scrub center either.

"3 points, 5 rebounds...awful deal" is such a poor outlook on this. Weight in the fact that he's not getting minutes and he's deserving of a good ~6 million a year. This is a little more than he's shown he's worth, but it's not awful. There are so few centers out there that can rebound and defend like him...

ManRam
07-01-2012, 07:58 PM
Also, it's a back-loaded contract.

He'll get 10 million for the first 2 years, and then he has a huge expiring contract ($15M) for the third. That's not bad at all. Maybe by then he'll be worth close to 10-12 million a year...and if he isn't, then he's still got some trade value.

StarvingKnick22
07-01-2012, 07:58 PM
congrates on ya first big one

koetravis
07-01-2012, 07:59 PM
This could end up being another piece to try and grab Dwight, but even if it's not, he's gonna do exactly what the Rocket's need him to do.

KH12
07-01-2012, 08:00 PM
He can't sign until July 11th, then the Bulls would have 3 days to match.

ManRam, he will never make it to 36 mpg. He will either foul out or gas out.

dodie53
07-01-2012, 08:00 PM
overpaid imo.

black1605
07-01-2012, 08:02 PM
Not horrible, but it's scary what the market for center seems to be turning into. Kwame Brown getting seven million last season from Golden State was just the beginning.

ManRam
07-01-2012, 08:03 PM
He can't sign until July 11th, then the Bulls would have 3 days to match.

ManRam, he will never make it to 36 mpg. He will either foul out or gas out.

That's something he's got to work on. He'll grow. And I used 36 minutes because that's a hallmark in minute-adjusted per game stats...not because I think he'll play 36 minutes.

He's worth 5 million a year right now.

Year 1: ~5 Million
Year 2: ~ 5 million
Year 3: ~13-15 million

It's not horrendous.


Gar Foreman has said all along that they'll match any offer...we'll see.

If they do, it insures that Boozer will be amnestied before the 2014-2015 season

DR_1
07-01-2012, 08:04 PM
Bye Omer.

kozelkid
07-01-2012, 08:04 PM
Bulls won't miss him at all. They can get 3 pts and 5 rebounds a game from a lot of big men

As usual, you have no clue what you're talking about.

Bulls won't miss a top tier defensive big? PLEASE.

The deadly combination of Omer and Taj off the bench is what made our defense ridiculous and gave us the luxury of having them play in the fourth when Boozer and/or Noah struggled.

justinnum1
07-01-2012, 08:06 PM
one of the best defensive bigs there is. bulls will miss his defense and he was insurance for their injury prone bigs

jiggin
07-01-2012, 08:06 PM
wow... seriously...this guy averages like 2 points and like 2 rebounds a game. WOW All that for his defense off the bench?

TrAv=MaGiCfReAk
07-01-2012, 08:06 PM
As others I wondered what this could mean for a dwight trade but now that I think about it I bet it doesn't change anything if anything asik can be a back up his first year and then if dwight stays they can trade him if dwight leaves then they have asik to be a starter ... Sure its a lot for a back up but its good insurance ...

Cubby
07-01-2012, 08:06 PM
I'll be pissed if we match.

97NYer
07-01-2012, 08:07 PM
Hoopshype is saying the deal is 25.1 million over four years, in which case just over 6 million a year. If he's gonna be their starter I think that's a good price, considering there are guys like Diop and Darko making 5-7 mil.

Correction: Hoopshype corrected it to 3 years, meaning over 8 Mil a year. IMO, terribly overpaid.

naztrack
07-01-2012, 08:07 PM
i keep reading the bulls wont miss him they can get 3 pts 5 rebs from some other big man...smh he is better then his numbers, i believe so. Look at the market people are over paying for everyone,s#%# getting scary.

kozelkid
07-01-2012, 08:07 PM
That's something he's got to work on. He'll grow. And I used 36 minutes because that's a hallmark in minute-adjusted per game stats...not because I think he'll play 36 minutes.

He's worth 5 million a year right now.

Year 1: ~5 Million
Year 2: ~ 5 million
Year 3: ~13-15 million

It's not horrendous.


Gar Foreman has said all along that they'll match any offer...we'll see.

If they do, it insures that Boozer will be amnestied before the 2014-2015 season

Boozer will be gone for sure. Especially with Taj's extension up next. Bulls SHOULD match it. There's one huge year in this extension, but by then he's an expiring. Besides, they're better off signing him and maybe look to deal him in the deadline.

Besides, with next season likely lost, it makes it much easier for Bulls to look to deal Taj or Omer knowing they likely won't be having a deep playoff run.

Sadds The Gr8
07-01-2012, 08:07 PM
Overpaid.

justinnum1
07-01-2012, 08:08 PM
bulls will get 3 days to match starting july 11th

Cubby
07-01-2012, 08:08 PM
one of the best defensive bigs there is. bulls will miss his defense and he was insurance for their injury prone bigs

Won't miss him at all when he's being paid that much. It's not worth it at all.

ManRam
07-01-2012, 08:08 PM
Think about it.


If the Lakers, Rockets or Nets had a 13-15 million dollar expiring contract to trade to ORL, that would be a HUGE asset. Since it's back-loaded, he's getting fair money the first two years, and then his big contract could eventually turn into a big asset. It won't necessarily, but it could...

SteBO
07-01-2012, 08:08 PM
Something tells me that the Bulls will match this, even though they shouldn't.......

koetravis
07-01-2012, 08:09 PM
Hoopshype is saying the deal is 25.1 million over four years, in which case just over 6 million a year. If he's gonna be their starter I think that's a good price, considering there are guys like Diop and Darko making 5-7 mil.

Jonathon Feign or whatever his name is accidentally tweeted 4 instead of 3.

kozelkid
07-01-2012, 08:09 PM
Think about it.


If the Lakers, Rockets or Nets had a 13-15 million dollar expiring contract to trade to ORL, that would be a HUGE asset. Since it's back-loaded, he's getting fair money the first two years, and then his big contract could eventually turn into a big asset. It won't necessarily, but it could...

Exactly. If anything, I'm much more relieved that this is the offer instead of the rumored 4 years 32mil.

YoungOne
07-01-2012, 08:09 PM
nice get every center out of the east :)

topdog
07-01-2012, 08:09 PM
People in here really need to look at what he does outside of of PPG and RPG lol. It's a slight over payment though. I would've given him 5.5 or 6 million.

Yeah, I think $8M is too much by a couple million. We'll see what he can do with minutes.

Vincent33
07-01-2012, 08:11 PM
Wow. A little over $8M/yr? Good for Omer Asik!

Chill_Will_24
07-01-2012, 08:12 PM
Guess no more Dwight for them

PatsSoxKnicks
07-01-2012, 08:15 PM
People in here really need to look at what he does outside of of PPG and RPG lol. It's a slight over payment though. I would've given him 5.5 or 6 million.

Yeah unfortunately there's a lot of dumb people that think PPG and RPG are the end all be all stats. Those people obviously don't understand basketball and the concept of pace or per minute stats (and the fact that most players per minute stats are a good indicator of quality).

2-ONE-5
07-01-2012, 08:15 PM
def overpaid him.

ManRam
07-01-2012, 08:16 PM
Lastly, you can afford to pay a bench play $5M a year...which, again, is what he'll get the first two years.

So I DON'T think this impacts Houston's desire to get Howard.

THE MTL
07-01-2012, 08:16 PM
I dont care how the contract is loaded. He should NOT be getting 25.1 million dollars! No matter which way you put it!

topdog
07-01-2012, 08:16 PM
This could end up being another piece to try and grab Dwight, but even if it's not, he's gonna do exactly what the Rocket's need him to do.

I would assume Dwight would be traded by then. You can't trade guys you sign as free agents until December.

DR_1
07-01-2012, 08:16 PM
Guess no more Dwight for them

Rockets could still get Dwight

Giraffes Rule
07-01-2012, 08:17 PM
I guess defense doesn't matter to PSD.

greg_ory_2005
07-01-2012, 08:19 PM
Yes Houston. Make the east as weak as possible. :D

kozelkid
07-01-2012, 08:20 PM
I guess defense doesn't matter to PSD.

It's about the top 10 plays, brah.

bears88
07-01-2012, 08:21 PM
The bulls will match

Chill_Will_24
07-01-2012, 08:22 PM
Rockets could still get Dwight

I meant how badly they will want him

nbrod
07-01-2012, 08:24 PM
They had to overpay if they really wanted him. Bulls would match if it was less money

The Flash
07-01-2012, 08:25 PM
so did this lockout change anything? Small market teams still overpaying for players and the complaining they're losing money. Thank God for the revenue sharing, at least they get money from other teams that sell

justinnum1
07-01-2012, 08:25 PM
bulls will probably match, and they should. He is very underrated.

kozelkid
07-01-2012, 08:26 PM
so did this lockout change anything? Small market teams still overpaying for players and the complaining they're losing money. Thank God for the revenue sharing, at least they get money from other teams that sell

Houston labeled as "small market." :laugh:

Cubby
07-01-2012, 08:27 PM
so did this lockout change anything? Small market teams still overpaying for players and the complaining they're losing money. Thank God for the revenue sharing, at least they get money from other teams that sell

Houston is one of the biggest markets/cities in the country.

The Flash
07-01-2012, 08:29 PM
Houston labeled as "small market." :laugh:

Not just Houston, look at Portland offering a max to Hibbert, now Indiana will match , then Mcgee is probably looking for a max and so on... Those are you max players. I personally think Houston is overpaying for Asik , and other team are still overpaying for players, I just thought that was one of the problems pre lockout

FraziersKnicks
07-01-2012, 08:30 PM
Glad to see the Bulls losing important role players

EDUTEXANS
07-01-2012, 08:31 PM
well I don't know if someone has already brought this up but his numbers per 36 minutes 8 points, 13 boards and 2.5 blocks per game. 20.1 TRB%, 5.0 BLK% and 92 DRtg (thanks to Mightybosstone for the numbers), that's pretty impressive for a backup, people here saying he is a 3 and 5 guy, but he played less than 15 minutes a game last season

still think it's a little overpayed, but I think Chicago would match anything below

ABOMB_56
07-01-2012, 08:31 PM
so did this lockout change anything? Small market teams still overpaying for players and the complaining they're losing money. Thank God for the revenue sharing, at least they get money from other teams that sell

Did you just call Houston a small market? :laugh2:

The Flash
07-01-2012, 08:32 PM
Houston is one of the biggest markets/cities in the country.

Understood but by all means, Miami is not a big market city, La and Ny are big markets and they all share revenue with the rest of the teams who time and time again chose to not make smart business decision and then cry they're not making enough money

The Flash
07-01-2012, 08:33 PM
Did you just call Houston a small market? :laugh2:

Never mentioned Houston in my post read again

rocket
07-01-2012, 08:37 PM
Why does you guys keep looking at his PPG and RPG. He didn't get that many mintues to play lmfao. He is slightly overpaid.

DaBear
07-01-2012, 08:37 PM
I'll miss Asik, but Houston definitely overpaid him. He's a good backup center, and might have some room to improve.

Cubs Win
07-01-2012, 08:38 PM
Never mentioned Houston in my post read again

Then why were you posting that in this thread? :laugh2:

Wolfman01
07-01-2012, 08:41 PM
What are the Rockets doing lol? Give a guy that crazy money for a backup? I do admit Asik is a good defensive player but that kind of money means hes the starter for sure for the Rockets center position. Brandon Bass is 10 times better player then Omir Asik and he'll will never get that kind of crazy contract ever.

pd1dish
07-01-2012, 08:47 PM
People in here really need to look at what he does outside of of PPG and RPG lol. It's a slight over payment though. I would've given him 5.5 or 6 million.

it just goes to show that a lot of the people on this site dont actually watch games. they just look up stats to pretend like they know what they are talking about.

that being said, i wouldnt have wanted the Bulls to pay him that much, so im happy for him (although i thought Asik was for sure resigning with the Bulls). he is very limited offensively but he is dominant defensively and his numbers will go up as he gets more minutes. he can be a starter in this league since the center position is so thin nowadays.

justinnum1
07-01-2012, 08:47 PM
What are the Rockets doing lol? Give a guy that crazy money for a backup? I do admit Asik is a good defensive player but that kind of money means hes the starter for sure for the Rockets center position. Brandon Bass is 10 times better player then Omir Asik and he'll will never get that kind of crazy contract ever.

no way

ImDaBaron
07-01-2012, 08:50 PM
We should match this. Actually pretty pleased with the contract length and offer.

Cubby
07-01-2012, 08:51 PM
It's funny how some people in here (you know who you are) called Omer a scrub and now as soon as he might be leaving the Bulls, he's a starting caliber center.

Punk
07-01-2012, 08:52 PM
We should match this. Actually pretty pleased with the contract length and offer.

He will be making 12 million in his final year.

ManRam
07-01-2012, 08:54 PM
We should match this. Actually pretty pleased with the contract length and offer.

I think the Bulls should, and all things suggest they will, match it. It's really not too unaffordable.

cutiepie80
07-01-2012, 08:54 PM
LMAO, this is awesome. As a Bulls fan I am laughing hard at this contract. The guy can d up but is one of the worst offensive liabilities is the game. I am just in amazement how much they gave him, wow.

ImDaBaron
07-01-2012, 08:55 PM
He will be making 12 million in his final year.

Yeah and we have Deng and Boozer off the books(Boozer will be amnestied)

Punk
07-01-2012, 08:55 PM
It's funny how some people in here (you know who you are) called Omer a scrub and now as soon as he might be leaving the Bulls, he's a starting caliber center.
That's how it works here.

I remember with us how Gallo, Mozgov, Wilson Chandler were considered scrubs and overrated young players until they ended up in Denver and everyone began raving about them.

Bulls_fan90
07-01-2012, 08:56 PM
Bulls will most likely match. I want Courtney Lee in a sign and trade over Asik though.

ImDaBaron
07-01-2012, 08:56 PM
I think the Bulls should, and all things suggest they will, match it. It's really not too unaffordable.

Its not bad actually. Its better than the 5-5-11-11. I rather have all the money packed in that 3rd year and that be it.

I love all the Bulls fans freaking out. A majority of these people are ok with giving Brandon Roy a 2 year contract and part of the MLE.:facepalm:

Punk
07-01-2012, 08:58 PM
Yeah and we have Deng and Boozer off the books(Boozer will be amnestied)

Ah, I see. Deng should be kept, IMO.

ImDaBaron
07-01-2012, 09:00 PM
Ah, I see. Deng should be kept, IMO.

Sure but not at the money he was making before.

justinnum1
07-01-2012, 09:00 PM
bulls fans need to stop asking for players in sign and trade...thats not happening.

ImDaBaron
07-01-2012, 09:02 PM
bulls fans need to stop asking for players in sign and trade...thats not happening.

No kidding...Ive been saying that since I heard the Rockets were interested. They dont want to give up talent and have to pay Asik. Thats not happening. Its either match him or dont.

Bulls_fan90
07-01-2012, 09:03 PM
Lee in a sign and trade.

Martin in a sign and trade

justinnum1
07-01-2012, 09:06 PM
Lee in a sign and trade.

Martin in a sign and trade

and why would houston do that? they are not over the cap, they can sign him outright and not give anything for him.

Cubby
07-01-2012, 09:08 PM
That's how it works here.

I remember with us how Gallo, Mozgov, Wilson Chandler were considered scrubs and overrated young players until they ended up in Denver and everyone began raving about them.

It's mainly "you know who."

Cubby
07-01-2012, 09:10 PM
Yeah and we have Deng and Boozer off the books(Boozer will be amnestied)

I'd like to use that cap space to get free agents, but Asik's contract kind if ****s that up.

Bulls_fan90
07-01-2012, 09:11 PM
and why would houston do that? they are not over the cap, they can sign him outright and not give anything for him.

Depends what they plan on doing with Lee. He's a RFA and they have both Martin and Lamb already on the roster. If Bulls say we'll match Asik unless we can work out a sign and trade I think we'll see how much Houston really want Asik.

Regardless, I feel the Bulls will most likely match the offer.

ImDaBaron
07-01-2012, 09:12 PM
I'd like to use that cap space to get free agents, but Asik's contract kind if ****s that up.


You will still have cap space

justinnum1
07-01-2012, 09:14 PM
Depends what they plan on doing with Lee. He's a RFA and they have both Martin and Lamb already on the roster. If Bulls say we'll match Asik unless we can work out a sign and trade I think we'll see how much Houston really want Asik.

Regardless, I fell the Bulls will most likely match the offer.

they should, asik is underrated and he is only in his 3rd year...

but houston doesnt have to and wont sign and trade one of their players unless they had to and they dont need to.

Cubby
07-01-2012, 09:14 PM
You will still have cap space

Not as much as I'd like with Asik making 15 million. Him and Rose combined make up half the cap that year and that's without including Noah's contract. It wouldn't be enough to get anyone elite next to Rose.

Cubby
07-01-2012, 09:15 PM
they should, asik is underrated and he is only in his 3rd year...

but houston doesnt have to and wont sign and trade one of their players unless they had to and they dont need to.

You called Asik a scrub many times before.

Bulls_fan90
07-01-2012, 09:16 PM
they should, asik is underrated and he is only in his 3rd year...

but houston doesnt have to and wont sign and trade one of their players unless they had to and they dont need to.

Agreed, and the Bulls can always trade him for value later on.

I'm not saying they have to, but if it meant that was the only way they land Asik, it is possible. Just speculating though because we have no idea about what other deals Houston are working on.



You called Asik a scrub many times before.
Forgive him, he has an unnatural obsession with the Bulls :)

ImDaBaron
07-01-2012, 09:16 PM
Not as much as I'd like with Asik making 15 million. Him and Rose combined make up half the cap that year and that's without including Noah's contract. It wouldn't be enough to get anyone elite next to Rose.

Noah may not be here at that point. Its a pretty easy decision to match.

Cubby
07-01-2012, 09:18 PM
Noah may not be here at that point. Its a pretty easy decision to match.

I honestly don't care if we match as long as he is gone before that last year.

justinnum1
07-01-2012, 09:19 PM
You called Asik a scrub many times before.

really? i must have been high lol


find me a post...dont spend to long looking :laugh2:

Cubby
07-01-2012, 09:22 PM
really? i must have been high lol


find me a post...dont spend to long looking :laugh2:

You have way too many posts, man. Don't worry about it.

ManRam
07-01-2012, 09:22 PM
Phew. I thought people were subliminally mocking me for "bashing" Asik and now defending him. Some times it's hard to tell!

I love Asik. So yeah, I'll leave it at that. I was probably too quick to defend this deal, but once the $5M, $5.225M, $15M it became more palatable. That third year is tough, and might be close to a deal breaker, but it's far less worse than an $8.4M, $8.4M, $8.4M deal...

Raphael
07-01-2012, 09:24 PM
Bulls should not match. Relieve a bit of cap and sign some pieces to re-establish the bench. Asik is a great defensive player, but I'm not willing to wait around for his offensive game to develop. Dude is one of the worst offensive players in the league, to put it nicely. I don't think he'll ever be even a serviceable offensive player. Not worth matching.

justinnum1
07-01-2012, 09:24 PM
You have way too many posts, man. Don't worry about it.

regardless, he is underrated and a top defensive center. his offense is awful but he is entering his 3rd season so he can improve it.

just doesnt make sense for the bulls to lose him for nothing. let him turn into a top center and then you can trade him for a solid 12-15mil player or if he is better than noah, get rid of noah.

justinnum1
07-01-2012, 09:25 PM
Phew. I thought people were subliminally mocking me for "bashing" Asik and now defending him. Some times it's hard to tell!

I love Asik. So yeah, I'll leave it at that. I was probably too quick to defend this deal, but once the $5M, $5.225M, $15M it became more palatable. That third year is tough, and might be close to a deal breaker, but it's far less worse than an $8.4M, $8.4M, $8.4M deal...


Avg of contract in each year. For Chi, it'd be actual salary in each year. RT @dogmanx23: What's Houston cap hit with Asik?
.

Chronz
07-01-2012, 09:25 PM
Bulls won't miss him at all. They can get 3 pts and 5 rebounds a game from a lot of big men
Still trying to pass this off as statistical analysis huh. Pity

Expand your know how

Chronz
07-01-2012, 09:27 PM
"Hey yo, Omar coming! Omar coming!"

Rockets just got jacked man...

If your going to insult a move, its best to learn the players name.

ManRam
07-01-2012, 09:27 PM
Yeah. Just saw that Larry Coon tweet.

God the new CBA can be confusing. If the cap hit for Houston is actually the average salary per year, then that changes things...

Cubby
07-01-2012, 09:27 PM
regardless, he is underrated and a top defensive center. his offense is awful but he is entering his 3rd season so he can improve it.

just doesnt make sense for the bulls to lose him for nothing. let him turn into a top center and then you can trade him for a solid 12-15mil player or if he is better than noah, get rid of noah.

If we can trade him before that last year, then good. We have Booz and Deng coming off the books that year and I'd like to surround Rose and Noah with really good players.

Chronz
07-01-2012, 09:30 PM
wow... seriously...this guy averages like 2 points and like 2 rebounds a game. WOW All that for his defense off the bench?
Have you watched him play, have you seen his advanced stats? Or do you rate all players this way?

Chronz
07-01-2012, 09:32 PM
Yeah, I think $8M is too much by a couple million. We'll see what he can do with minutes.

If you dont offer that couple of million there is no chance you get him in RFA. You cant fault a team for doing the right thing

AddiX
07-01-2012, 09:38 PM
If your going to insult a move, its best to learn the players name.

If your going to cry about sPelling or grammar its best to get the Fck off psd.

Gators123
07-01-2012, 09:40 PM
Bulls will miss him, but Houston overpaid.

Chronz
07-01-2012, 09:42 PM
If your going to cry about sPelling or grammar its best to get the Fck off psd.
True, but when you dont even know the players name I find it hard to believe you know the players value. I mean Im not complaining about the incorrect spelling of Hakeem Olajuwon, its a simple Omer.

Procision
07-01-2012, 09:43 PM
Guys of course Houston overpayed, that's how RFA works if you offer what they deserve you probably won't get him.

Wolfman01
07-01-2012, 09:43 PM
no way

Look at last year stats for both Brandon Bass and Omer Asik. Brandon Bass average 12.5 pts, 6.2 rebounds, and 0.9 block per game and Omer Asik 3.1 pts, 5.3 rebounds, and 1 block per game.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/brandon_bass/career_stats.html

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/omer_asik/career_stats.html

Chronz
07-01-2012, 09:47 PM
I find it funny that on one thread we have someone saying Morey doesnt take enough risks, and here we have everyone saying he took a dumb risk.

Even if Asik doesnt work out, its a 3 year deal and a mega expiring in year 3. Big whoop

Chronz
07-01-2012, 09:49 PM
Look at last year stats for both Brandon Bass and Omer Asik. Brandon Bass average 12.5 pts, 6.2 rebounds, and 0.9 block per game and Omer Asik 3.1 pts, 5.3 rebounds, and 1 block per game.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/brandon_bass/career_stats.html

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/omer_asik/career_stats.html

Bass is underrated, but can you at least look at the more important stats?

Chronz
07-01-2012, 09:51 PM
Guys of course Houston overpayed, that's how RFA works if you offer what they deserve you probably won't get him.

I dont know how this escapes people. And if Chicago matches they will probably think both franchises are inept. Gotta love fans whos idea of analysis involves outdated stats.

cutiepie80
07-01-2012, 09:54 PM
I just can't fathom giving him this kind of money. Yes he can play defense, but so can a lot of people. Most people can actually catch a basketball and find a way to hold on to it to find a way to put it in the hoop. He is just awful at offense and no where near what the Rockets offered. I am praying the Bulls don't match.

justinnum1
07-01-2012, 09:54 PM
Look at last year stats for both Brandon Bass and Omer Asik. Brandon Bass average 12.5 pts, 6.2 rebounds, and 0.9 block per game and Omer Asik 3.1 pts, 5.3 rebounds, and 1 block per game.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/brandon_bass/career_stats.html

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/omer_asik/career_stats.html




player a) .122 w/s
player b) .129 w/s

jiggin
07-01-2012, 09:58 PM
Have you watched him play, have you seen his advanced stats? Or do you rate all players this way?

of course I have...and so have many others which is why the consensus is that he is being over paid in a big way (its not just me that believes this).

He was a back up...and probably should stay a back up. That is a lot of money for a back up.

Chronz
07-01-2012, 10:04 PM
I just can't fathom giving him this kind of money. Yes he can play defense, but so can a lot of people. Most people can actually catch a basketball and find a way to hold on to it to find a way to put it in the hoop. He is just awful at offense and no where near what the Rockets offered. I am praying the Bulls don't match.
Not many can play defense like him. The ones who can catch a basketball while playing his level of defense arent relegated to his deal, they are making an excess of 11M annually. Thats why Asik is only making 8, because of his offense.



of course I have...and so have many others which is why the consensus is that he is being over paid in a big way (its not just me that believes this).

He was a back up...and probably should stay a back up. That is a lot of money for a back up.
Dont lie, how many games have you seen of Chicago? The consensus seems to be that per game averages of a player who plays 15 minutes is a great barometer for projecting his worth. Sadly thats not the way the NBA thinks.

Hes only a backup if you have a guy like Noah ahead of him.

effen5
07-01-2012, 10:15 PM
I would love to see this guy play starter minutes...he nearly died when he played over 30 minutes last year in the playoffs when Noah got hurt....

NYYCowboys
07-01-2012, 10:24 PM
Bulls won't miss him at all. They can get 3 pts and 5 rebounds a game from a lot of big men

:facepalm: He's one of the better defensive centers in basketball right now.

b@llhog24
07-01-2012, 10:51 PM
What are the Rockets doing lol? Give a guy that crazy money for a backup? I do admit Asik is a good defensive player but that kind of money means hes the starter for sure for the Rockets center position. Brandon Bass is 10 times better player then Omir Asik and he'll will never get that kind of crazy contract ever.

Horrible, horrible post dude.


it just goes to show that a lot of the people on this site dont actually watch games. they just look up stats to pretend like they know what they are talking about.

that being said, i wouldnt have wanted the Bulls to pay him that much, so im happy for him (although i thought Asik was for sure resigning with the Bulls). he is very limited offensively but he is dominant defensively and his numbers will go up as he gets more minutes. he can be a starter in this league since the center position is so thin nowadays.

Actually there are stats that paint a decent picture of Asik's value (they still probably underrate his value) in any event that doesn't replace watching him however it just helps to make a clearer picture.


Bulls should not match. Relieve a bit of cap and sign some pieces to re-establish the bench. Asik is a great defensive player, but I'm not willing to wait around for his offensive game to develop. Dude is one of the worst offensive players in the league, to put it nicely. I don't think he'll ever be even a serviceable offensive player. Not worth matching.

:laugh: Raph12 is gonna be so pissed to see this.


Look at last year stats for both Brandon Bass and Omer Asik. Brandon Bass average 12.5 pts, 6.2 rebounds, and 0.9 block per game and Omer Asik 3.1 pts, 5.3 rebounds, and 1 block per game.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/brandon_bass/career_stats.html

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/omer_asik/career_stats.html

:yawn:

shep33
07-01-2012, 10:54 PM
Biggest question about Omer is how does his production look when given 30 mpg?

jiggin
07-01-2012, 10:58 PM
that is the point...no one knows BECAUSE he is a backup and has been a back up. Yet the money he is receiving doesn't scream backup. That is why people are saying its over paying. He has not established himself as a starter or deserving of this kind of money.

effen5
07-01-2012, 10:58 PM
Biggest question about Omer is how does his production look when given 30 mpg?

Bigger question....can he play 30 minutes without getting exhausted or fouling out?

AddiX
07-01-2012, 10:59 PM
Biggest question about Omer is how does his production look when given 30 mpg?

No, the bigger question is what's the difference between hou last year without him, and this year with him, at almost 8 mill a year?

I find it funny here people defending this move right now, not one of you will say, "WATCH OUT FOR HOU! THEY GOT OMER ASIK!

cubfan23
07-01-2012, 11:03 PM
One of the best big man defenders in the league but wow $8mill a year thats a bit ridiculous ...

STL Don
07-01-2012, 11:04 PM
:facepalm:

What the NBA has come to.

I wonder which 2 of the group make the rotation

Chronz
07-01-2012, 11:20 PM
Bigger question....can he play 30 minutes without getting exhausted or fouling out?
His foul rate has been getting better and with consistent minutes he will benefit. Its like when DJ was our bench player, because he knew Kaman was ahead of him in the depth chart he would be overly aggressive but once Kaman was gone he played more under control and his conditioning improved with the added minutes. Similar thing with Yao back in the day as well. I doubt he ever plays heavy duty minutes but 30MPG is an easy mark for an NBA player.


I would love to see this guy play starter minutes...he nearly died when he played over 30 minutes last year in the playoffs when Noah got hurt....
Yea his playoff performance is troubling. His regular season value is less of a risk tho.

Chronz
07-01-2012, 11:25 PM
No, the bigger question is what's the difference between hou last year without him, and this year with him, at almost 8 mill a year?

I find it funny here people defending this move right now, not one of you will say, "WATCH OUT FOR HOU! THEY GOT OMER ASIK!

Well they traded Dalembert away so the difference is they got rid of a serviceable center who was making 8 million and got a 7ft anchor at roughly the same price annually (if you average out the size of his contract). Id say thats a clear upgrade if Asik proves that he wasnt reliant on Taj to cover for him. And we dont need to yell out statements like that to defend a move so its irrelevant.

Chronz
07-01-2012, 11:29 PM
that is the point...no one knows BECAUSE he is a backup and has been a back up. Yet the money he is receiving doesn't scream backup. That is why people are saying its over paying. He has not established himself as a starter or deserving of this kind of money.

But hes not going to be a backup in Houston. So who cares if he didnt start ahead of Noah? The money he is receiving screams defensive anchor. Its up to him to prove it was mostly his doing but lets not act as if there isnt a shred of evidence that suggests hes a great defender. Its a risk thats worth taking considering how soft Houston has been in the middle since losing Yao. If he doesnt work out, big whoop, the team finally gets to tank and he becomes an expiring within 2 years. Solid risk

brandt
07-01-2012, 11:30 PM
I think people should wait until he plays and actually see how he does with the Rockets, before judging him. When the Rockets Got Jeremy Lin, how many people started giving the Rockets Sh** for picking him up and constantly talked about how much he sucked. Apparently the Rockets did too because they got rid of him. Yeah, he really sucks.

jam
07-01-2012, 11:41 PM
Posted a career "high" of 4.6 rpg, lol.

It's great news that the owners are showing such amazing fiscal restraint in the post-lockout era. :facepalm:

Chronz
07-01-2012, 11:48 PM
Posted a career "high" of 4.6 rpg, lol.

It's great news that the owners are showing such amazing fiscal restraint in the post-lockout era. :facepalm:

4.6 in 15 minutes is suppose to be a negative?

bearadonisdna
07-01-2012, 11:51 PM
I keep hearing 8 mil per year, but it is totally inaccurate.

Omer wil be making

5 -year1
5- year 2
14 mil -year 3

So Bulls could easily match the offer. Just gotta ship him by the 14 mil yr.

MonroeFAN
07-01-2012, 11:56 PM
Why do people continue to bring up his numbers as a reserve? If he turns out to be another Gortat (the reserve numbers suggest he could) it's a smooth move.

This isn't a bad signing at all. 1 million more than it should be, but whatever.

AddiX
07-01-2012, 11:59 PM
Well they traded Dalembert away so the difference is they got rid of a serviceable center who was making 8 million and got a 7ft anchor at roughly the same price annually (if you average out the size of his contract). Id say thats a clear upgrade if Asik proves that he wasnt reliant on Taj to cover for him. And we dont need to yell out statements like that to defend a move so its irrelevant.

It's kind of hard to defend free agent signing when you even admit it may not work out, or make them a better team than they were last year.

This move fits along side a lot of other moves teams have made over the last 3-4 years where they were begging to trade the guy half way into the first season with there newly acquired free agent.

Chronz
07-02-2012, 12:08 AM
It's kind of hard to defend free agent signing when you even admit it may not work out, or make them a better team than they were last year.

This move fits along side a lot of other moves teams have made over the last 3-4 years where they were begging to trade the guy half way into the first season with there newly acquired free agent.
If it were a guarantee to work out he would be getting alot more than 8M.

I doubt this move has the same statistical markers those other deals did. And its a 3 year deal, hardly the cap killing move it seems your trying to say it is. Whats funny is there was less outcry of a horrible deal when the Clippers signed Caron Butler and that was a move that was OBVIOUSLY going to bite us in the ***. At least this move has some upside. Id rather gamble on a defensive anchor in his prime than gamble on a known inefficient chucker on the decline.

And then when you look at guys like Kwame making 7M, this doesnt seem bad at all.

bearadonisdna
07-02-2012, 12:10 AM
Why do people continue to bring up his numbers as a reserve? If he turns out to be another Gortat (the reserve numbers suggest he could) it's a smooth move.

This isn't a bad signing at all. 1 million more than it should be, but whatever.

Bulls were hell bent on matching any offer cuz they knew it would only be 5 mil per for first 2 years.

Wonder if they still will.

Bulls basically just have to give him away by year 3.
Surely there will be a taker for a good defensive bigman who would be given away for nothing.

LA_Raiders
07-02-2012, 12:10 AM
another overpaid big...

AddiX
07-02-2012, 12:17 AM
If it were a guarantee to work out he would be getting alot more than 8M.

I doubt this move has the same statistical markers those other deals did. And its a 3 year deal, hardly the cap killing move it seems your trying to say it is. Whats funny is there was less outcry of a horrible deal when the Clippers signed Caron Butler and that was a move that was OBVIOUSLY going to bite us in the ***. At least this move has some upside. Id rather gamble on a defensive anchor in his prime than gamble on a known inefficient chucker on the decline.

And then when you look at guys like Kwame making 7M, this doesnt seem bad at all.

The fact you keep mentioning his contract will be an expiring one shows how little faith you have in this move.

3 year deal is meaningless in the new NBA, aren't max contracts limited at 4 years anyway? And now that teams can amnesty players, what's a 15 million $ expiring really worth? he MAY be worth 8 mill a year in today's inflated center market, no team is going to want him at 15 though.

I just don't see how people can continue to defend a move that most likely does little to improve the team from last year.

Hawkeye15
07-02-2012, 12:20 AM
I honestly have been waiting to see who chased him first, i think he is a very underrated center. He has defensive impact, and can be taught a role to play on offense to get 10-14 points a night, obviously on efficiency since they will be at the rim. But he is a very, very good defender and rebounder, and is worth this deal, even though I agree it seems too much at the moment.

koetravis
07-02-2012, 12:20 AM
The fact you keep mentioning his contract will be an expiring one shows how little faith you have in this move.

3 year deal is meaningless in the new NBA, aren't max contracts limited at 4 years anyway? And now that teams can amnesty players, what's a 15 million $ expiring really worth? he MAY be worth 8 mill a year in today's inflated center market, no team is going to want him at 15 though.

I just don't see how people can continue to defend a move that most likely does little to improve the team from last year.

In order to use the amnesty on a player he must have been under contract when then new CBA was signed.

Wolfman01
07-02-2012, 12:24 AM
Horrible, horrible post dude.



Actually there are stats that paint a decent picture of Asik's value (they still probably underrate his value) in any event that doesn't replace watching him however it just helps to make a clearer picture.



:laugh: Raph12 is gonna be so pissed to see this.



:yawn:

Tell me my post is horrible when Omer Asik actually end up with a better NBA career then Brandon Bass.

bearadonisdna
07-02-2012, 12:27 AM
If Omer got 30 minutes a game.

He could average 10 ppg on dunks alone. A little exaggeration.

AddiX
07-02-2012, 12:28 AM
In order to use the amnesty on a player he must have been under contract when then new CBA was signed.

Did not know this, thx

bearadonisdna
07-02-2012, 12:34 AM
Look at this way. Kaman made 14 mil (expiring contract) last year.

If the hornets wanted to give him away at the trade deadline, teams would have been lining up for a free Center. Tax Free.

Chronz
07-02-2012, 12:38 AM
The fact you keep mentioning his contract will be an expiring one shows how little faith you have in this move.
LOL what? In what way? Im just saying that even in a worse case scenario its not that damaging.


3 year deal is meaningless in the new NBA, aren't max contracts limited at 4 years anyway? And now that teams can amnesty players, what's a 15 million $ expiring really worth? he MAY be worth 8 mill a year in today's inflated center market, no team is going to want him at 15 though.

I just don't see how people can continue to defend a move that most likely does little to improve the team from last year.

Disagree with it being meaningless, its better than a 4 year deal thats for sure. And you can only amnesty 1 player that was under the old CBA, by year 3 that will probably be done away with and teams looking to unload cap space could use a big expiring.

And its easy to defend a move like this, Im not seeing anything that supports the counter argument. Just things like 3pts-4rebounds lulz omg dats dumb

Htownballa1622
07-02-2012, 12:45 AM
Wow the Rockets :facepalm:

Now they have 11 NBA back ups all in the front court

Don't speak on issues you're not aware of.

:facepalm:

AddiX
07-02-2012, 12:54 AM
LOL what? In what way? Im just saying that even in a worse case scenario its not that damaging.


Disagree with it being meaningless, its better than a 4 year deal thats for sure. And you can only amnesty 1 player that was under the old CBA, by year 3 that will probably be done away with and teams looking to unload cap space could use a big expiring.

And its easy to defend a move like this, Im not seeing anything that supports the counter argument. Just things like 3pts-4rebounds lulz omg dats dumb

Well, I'll agree that His past stats are not a true indicator of what he may produce as a starter.

I guess I'll judge this move when I see what else hou does. Currently, Asik does very little to make them much of a better team IMO.

b-ballistic
07-02-2012, 12:57 AM
Wow the Rockets :facepalm:

Now they have 11 NBA back ups all in the front court

:laugh:

Chronz
07-02-2012, 01:14 AM
Well, I'll agree that His past stats are not a true indicator of what he may produce as a starter.

I guess I'll judge this move when I see what else hou does. Currently, Asik does very little to make them much of a better team IMO.

Actually what Im saying is I hope his past stats are sustained because his defensive markers are INSANE. I expect some kind of slippage because part of me knows Taj played alot of minutes next to him, but for the most part if he sustains the same rebound/block rate and his Defensive RAPM stays relatively strong, it will be enough to make him worth the money.

But I get what your trying to say and I think we found some common ground.

SouthSideRookie
07-02-2012, 01:28 AM
of course I have...and so have many others which is why the consensus is that he is being over paid in a big way (its not just me that believes this).
He was a back up...and probably should stay a back up. That is a lot of money for a back up.

I'd have to assume that Morey has looked at his stats in every which way. Im sure he can better gauge a players worth and projection far better than many people here can.


another overpaid big...

This is a list of seven footers that have been drafted since 09.

2009

Hasheem Thabeet --Memphis
Byron Mullens--Dallas

2010 (All Second Rounders)

Tibor Plei--Nets
Hassan Whiteside--Kings
Jerome Jordan--Bucks
Ryan Richardson--Spurs
Solomon Alabi--Dallas
Hamady N'Diaye--Minnesota

2011

Jonas Valanciunas--Toronto
Donatas Motiejunas--Houston


What this tells me is that big men come at a premium, not to mention that it would help alleviate the Rockets biggest need.

Losoway
07-02-2012, 01:45 AM
to be fair..asik movement on the court isnt bad at all . i think with his size and help with post moves he can be decent

but he still got away with a steal

bearadonisdna
07-02-2012, 01:47 AM
I'd have to assume that Morey has looked at his stats in every which way. Im sure he can better gauge a players worth and projection far better than many people here can.



This is a list of seven footers that have been drafted since 09.

2009

Hasheem Thabeet --Memphis
Byron Mullens--Dallas

2010 (All Second Rounders)

Tibor Plei--Nets
Hassan Whiteside--Kings
Jerome Jordan--Bucks
Ryan Richardson--Spurs
Solomon Alabi--Dallas
Hamady N'Diaye--Minnesota

2011

Jonas Valanciunas--Toronto
Donatas Motiejunas--Houston


What this tells me is that big men come at a premium, not to mention that it would help alleviate the Rockets biggest need.

Thats a sad list.
Ive heard of literally like 1 guy on that list.

THE MTL
07-02-2012, 01:52 AM
I'd have to assume that Morey has looked at his stats in every which way. Im sure he can better gauge a players worth and projection far better than many people here can.



This is a list of seven footers that have been drafted since 09.

2009

Hasheem Thabeet --Memphis
Byron Mullens--Dallas

2010 (All Second Rounders)

Tibor Plei--Nets
Hassan Whiteside--Kings
Jerome Jordan--Bucks
Ryan Richardson--Spurs
Solomon Alabi--Dallas
Hamady N'Diaye--Minnesota

2011

Jonas Valanciunas--Toronto
Donatas Motiejunas--Houston


What this tells me is that big men come at a premium, not to mention that it would help alleviate the Rockets biggest need.

But I think with all the moves the Rockets are making they are creating needs in other positions by only focusing on big men.

They going need shooters, instant scorers off the bench, backup PG, and defense specialist.

NSJ
07-02-2012, 03:09 AM
But I think with all the moves the Rockets are making they are creating needs in other positions by only focusing on big men.

They going need shooters, instant scorers off the bench, backup PG, and defense specialist.

In today's game the scorers, backup PGs, and defensive players are more available and expendable. So better to build around the 4 and 5 position since they're harder to come by. The rockets might've changed the most since the season ended and I think they might end up being the most improved.

xnick5757
07-02-2012, 05:42 AM
In the current collective bargaining agreement, it's known as the Gilbert Arenas rule. In the next CBA, it might be known as the Daryl Morey rule, because the Houston Rockets GM just drove a Mack truck through every one of the provision's current loopholes in agreeing to a three-year, $25.1 million offer sheet with restricted free agent Omer Asik, formerly of the Chicago Bulls.

Let's set aside whether Asik is actually worth $25.1 million over three years for a moment -- we'll tackle that later -- and just ponder the evil genius of the structuring of the contract and how it gives the Rockets a huge advantage in prying him away from the Bulls.

Under the "Gilbert Arenas" provision of the league's collective bargaining agreement, a player such as Asik -- a second-round draft pick coming off his second season -- can be offered only a maximum of the midlevel exception in free agency for the first two seasons but can be offered any amount up to the maximum in years after that.

Houston took advantage of this provision by limiting his offer to three years, rather than the maximum of four, and offering the maximum eligible salary in Year 3.

It's so damaging because of how the league assigns the salary cap and luxury tax hits for the respective sides. In Houston's case, the amounts are averaged over the three seasons, requiring the Rockets to have a little more than $8 million in cap room to consummate the deal.

No biggie for Houston; they would happen to have exactly $8 million lying around if they renounce their rights to Marcus Camby, cut Shaun Livingston, Greg Smith, Courtney Fortson and Diamon Simpson, and either waive Jon Leuer or use the stretch provision on Jon Brockman. Houston could also get there by renouncing its rights to restricted free agent Courtney Lee, but that seems more unlikely.

And looking ahead, the Rockets are still in pristine shape going forward. An $8 million cap charge for Asik in 2013-14 and 2014-15 simply isn't going to hurt them.

But Chicago? Holy hell, this is going to hurt. The league calculates the cap charge differently for a team matching the offer sheet, using actual salaries instead of the average. So the Bulls get off easy in the short term; a $5 million cap charge for Asik this year and next should have been in their budget to start.

But then in 2014-15, it jumps up to about $14.9 million. And it's not clear how the Bulls are supposed to handle that, especially given their aversion to the luxury tax and the fact they may be subject to the repeater penalty by then. Between Asik, Derrick Rose, Carlos Boozer and Joakim Noah, they have $61.6 million committed and that's without paying Taj Gibson, retaining Luol Deng, or adding any free agent or draft picks.



Wow

alexander_37
07-02-2012, 08:52 AM
Per 36 minutes last year he was an 8-13 player. 13 rebounds in 36 minutes is great.


If he qualified, he'd have the third best Total Rebound % in the NBA behind only Camby and Howard. He has the ability already to be an elite rebounder. Get 10-12 points out of him and that's gravy. He's a good defender too.


You can knock him for his ppg and rpg when playing 15 minutes a game, but that's not how you evaluate players. Give him minutes and he'll put up good numbers. It's stupid. Gortat had no better stats in his time backing up Howard, and look how he turned out. Can't knock a dude's per game stats when he's playing less than 15 minutes a game :laugh:


Now, if they are paying him to be a backup (ie they trade for Dwight) then it's a bit questionable.

Someone in the NBA forum had a rational thought holy **** ....

EDUTEXANS
07-02-2012, 09:29 AM
http://www.hoopsworld.com/asik-agreement-exposes-free-agency-loophole

great read about Asik and Chicago's cap space

mRc08
07-02-2012, 09:54 AM
In the current collective bargaining agreement, it's known as the Gilbert Arenas rule. In the next CBA, it might be known as the Daryl Morey rule, because the Houston Rockets GM just drove a Mack truck through every one of the provision's current loopholes in agreeing to a three-year, $25.1 million offer sheet with restricted free agent Omer Asik, formerly of the Chicago Bulls.

Let's set aside whether Asik is actually worth $25.1 million over three years for a moment -- we'll tackle that later -- and just ponder the evil genius of the structuring of the contract and how it gives the Rockets a huge advantage in prying him away from the Bulls.

Under the "Gilbert Arenas" provision of the league's collective bargaining agreement, a player such as Asik -- a second-round draft pick coming off his second season -- can be offered only a maximum of the midlevel exception in free agency for the first two seasons but can be offered any amount up to the maximum in years after that.

Houston took advantage of this provision by limiting his offer to three years, rather than the maximum of four, and offering the maximum eligible salary in Year 3.

It's so damaging because of how the league assigns the salary cap and luxury tax hits for the respective sides. In Houston's case, the amounts are averaged over the three seasons, requiring the Rockets to have a little more than $8 million in cap room to consummate the deal.

No biggie for Houston; they would happen to have exactly $8 million lying around if they renounce their rights to Marcus Camby, cut Shaun Livingston, Greg Smith, Courtney Fortson and Diamon Simpson, and either waive Jon Leuer or use the stretch provision on Jon Brockman. Houston could also get there by renouncing its rights to restricted free agent Courtney Lee, but that seems more unlikely.

And looking ahead, the Rockets are still in pristine shape going forward. An $8 million cap charge for Asik in 2013-14 and 2014-15 simply isn't going to hurt them.

But Chicago? Holy hell, this is going to hurt. The league calculates the cap charge differently for a team matching the offer sheet, using actual salaries instead of the average. So the Bulls get off easy in the short term; a $5 million cap charge for Asik this year and next should have been in their budget to start.

But then in 2014-15, it jumps up to about $14.9 million. And it's not clear how the Bulls are supposed to handle that, especially given their aversion to the luxury tax and the fact they may be subject to the repeater penalty by then. Between Asik, Derrick Rose, Carlos Boozer and Joakim Noah, they have $61.6 million committed and that's without paying Taj Gibson, retaining Luol Deng, or adding any free agent or draft picks.



Wow

I have nothing against asik, but I hope houstan's gm lives to regret this until the day he's fired.

SANTHI
07-02-2012, 11:54 AM
good defender inside, but he does foul a lot.

koetravis
07-02-2012, 11:56 AM
I have nothing against asik, but I hope houstan's gm lives to regret this until the day he's fired.

:laugh: Why?

Vinylman
07-02-2012, 11:58 AM
I really could care less about omer asik in terms of his basketball career... no one will be thinking about him in 15 years...

All the advance stats guys are defending him based on AS and saying his contract is supported by AS...the supporters of this deal are also saying that it was done to improve the team...

So here is my question, in terms of contract and in terms of on court play (using AS of course since that is all that matters) how is asik an upgrade to Dalembert

Procision
07-02-2012, 12:06 PM
I really could care less about omer asik in terms of his basketball career... no one will be thinking about him in 15 years...

All the advance stats guys are defending him based on AS and saying his contract is supported by AS...the supporters of this deal are also saying that it was done to improve the team...

So here is my question, in terms of contract and in terms of on court play (using AS of course since that is all that matters) how is asik an upgrade to Dalembert

Asik is a better defender and rebounder and also young with potential. Also the rockets have to pay him 15 mil in the 3rd season but only counts as 8mil against the cap.

mavwar53
07-02-2012, 12:17 PM
Well at least he's better than Andris Biedrins and he's getting paid 9mil per year in the 4th year of a 5 year deal. Much worse deals out there than Asik's

Vinylman
07-02-2012, 12:24 PM
Asik is a better defender and rebounder and also young with potential. Also the rockets have to pay him 15 mil in the 3rd season but only counts as 8mil against the cap.

He is? ... what stats are you looking at ... i guess you are assuming there will be no drop off in Asik's per 36 when he has to play more and play against starters... even if that is true, what are the glaring statistical advantages that Asik has over Dalembert on D...

as for salary, last i checked i thought dalembert would have been in the high $6s this year... so it looks like asik will count more against the cap

beardown78
07-02-2012, 03:56 PM
Jim McIlvaine 2.0, Asik's defensive presence is being severly overrated on this forum. solid post defender but terrible defending the pick and roll or more athletic,quicker five men in the league. To say his points will go up from 3 to 10 or 12 like a few posters are saying is laughable, has terrible hands.

bearadonisdna
07-02-2012, 04:28 PM
Jim McIlvaine 2.0, Asik's defensive presence is being severly overrated on this forum. solid post defender but terrible defending the pick and roll or more athletic,quicker five men in the league. To say his points will go up from 3 to 10 or 12 like a few posters are saying is laughable, has terrible hands.

If Omer played witrh a good pg who could get him ball down low , i feel he could avergae 10 ppg.

He usually worked with the bulls second team. Cj watson and john lucas.

We already know lucas isnt a passing pg.
And watson is a servicable pg, but everyone knows its not his natural position.

Cubby
07-02-2012, 04:32 PM
If Omer played witrh a good pg who could get him ball down low , i feel he could avergae 10 ppg.

He usually worked with the bulls second team. Cj watson and john lucas.

We already know lucas isnt a passing pg.
And watson is a servicable pg, but everyone knows its not his natural position.

It doesn't matter if you have a PG who can get him the ball when he can't even catch it.

IversonIsKrazy
07-02-2012, 04:35 PM
$8.3m/yr? Holy crap this is the summer of overpayments. Good to see the lock-out worked out...

Blitzbolt
07-02-2012, 04:38 PM
Yay more players joining the Rudy Gay overpaid club.

beardown78
07-02-2012, 05:16 PM
If Omer played witrh a good pg who could get him ball down low , i feel he could avergae 10 ppg.

He usually worked with the bulls second team. Cj watson and john lucas.

We already know lucas isnt a passing pg.
And watson is a servicable pg, but everyone knows its not his natural position.

False, He played alot of crunch time minutes since Tibs has been the Bulls coach with Rose and other members of the starting five, its not uncommon for Noah to sit the entire 4th quarter in place of Asik. He has butter fingers

beardown78
07-02-2012, 05:17 PM
Yay more players joining the Rudy Gay overpaid club.

Hell at least Gay will give you some good numbers and occasionally go for 30 on a given night.

Blitzbolt
07-02-2012, 05:39 PM
Hell at least Gay will give you some good numbers and occasionally go for 30 on a given night.

Well true atleast Rudy gets 20 and 7 a game.But still a little bit overpaid.

SportsNY
07-06-2012, 02:14 AM
How is this guy who averages less than 15.0 MPG and less than 4.0 PPG getting this much money? How does he land that deal and someone like Kris Humphries not? He averaged a double-double the past few years. I'm just curious why teams are throwing money at players when there are even better players out there.

ChitownBears22
07-06-2012, 02:16 AM
Potential. He is a huge project but he is a great defender at C and rebounds like a madman. He is a huge gamble. I can see why a team would make that gamble, but not at the price Houston is paying. They better hope it works out.

b@llhog24
07-06-2012, 02:17 AM
Don't know this Omir guy but the Omer guy is 7ft 255lbs, sounds pretty big to me. :shrug:

SportsNY
07-06-2012, 02:18 AM
Don't know this Omir guy but the Omer guy is 7ft 255lbs, sounds pretty big to me. :shrug:

Fixed

celtics 34
07-06-2012, 02:18 AM
He is a crazy good rebounder and he is still young great defender as well

Chacarron
07-06-2012, 02:19 AM
Orgasmic advanced defensive numbers.

popo85
07-06-2012, 02:20 AM
Anyone 7 foot in the nba will get paid lol.

ChitownBears22
07-06-2012, 02:22 AM
Rumor is he has Asian blood in his lineage. ESPN will find a way to exploit that in some way.

But seriously watch some tape on the guy. I think the Bulls are making a mistake letting him walk. He doesn't look like a ball player but the guy handles himself like a 10 year vet when rebounding and playing D.

b@llhog24
07-06-2012, 02:48 AM
Fixed

Anyways actually answering the question an athletic 7 footer, if he had enough rebounds would qualify for third in rebound rate if I'm not mistaken, best backup defensive center, only 26 which is still relatively young, tremendous shot blocker and just look at that hair. :drool: His per 36 numbers last year was around 8 points and 13 rebounds. If he's given about 32 mins he could put up a comfortable 10, 10 and 2 with some sexy defense. He got overpayed for sure but technically if he was given market value Chicago would've matched.

Kyben36
07-06-2012, 02:48 AM
NOt sure why alot of teams are after him, IMO, you can get a good defensvie shot blocking C in any draft, even late first round.

ChitownBears22
07-06-2012, 02:51 AM
NOt sure why alot of teams are after him, IMO, you can get a good defensvie shot blocking C in any draft, even late first round.

:facepalm:

Bulls_fan90
07-06-2012, 03:28 AM
Rumor is he has Asian blood in his lineage. ESPN will find a way to exploit that in some way.

But seriously watch some tape on the guy. I think the Bulls are making a mistake letting him walk. He doesn't look like a ball player but the guy handles himself like a 10 year vet when rebounding and playing D.

I'm nearly certain Bulls will match the offer. We will not let him walk, only way I see him going to Houston is if Chicago prefer spending their money on a guy like Courtney Lee (via sign and trade).