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gabby10
07-01-2012, 11:25 AM
free agency starts in 35 minutes. discuss rumors and signings relating to the rangers here

oak2455
07-01-2012, 11:45 AM
free agency starts in 35 minutes. discuss rumors and signings relating to the rangers here

Good job

rocowear21
07-01-2012, 12:11 PM
I'm scared right now lol

maskedmn
07-01-2012, 12:15 PM
Yea, awfully quiet so far

J4KOP99
07-01-2012, 12:16 PM
We need some scoring help with gaborik out for a little while and we need a veteran defender that can eat up some minutes and possibly play on the power play.


I doubt we do anything "big" unless it's an absolute steal.

-personally I would think long and hard about going in on suter. I've been calling for it for a long time. I doubt he comes though.

rocowear21
07-01-2012, 12:17 PM
We better do something big, lol I took off of work for today.

rocowear21
07-01-2012, 12:20 PM
I think its gonna be slow for the first hour or so, just like the trade deadline then things will start to pick up. Doan already said he won't sign until the ninth, he is waiting for something in ownership with yotes

rocowear21
07-01-2012, 12:21 PM
Also lets not forget we have already resigned Biron, and some lindberg guy.

rocowear21
07-01-2012, 12:24 PM
Posted on twitter that Ales Hemsky is available as well.

nyr1980
07-01-2012, 01:00 PM
John Mitchell just signed with the Avs.

NYY09
07-01-2012, 01:13 PM
John Mitchell just signed with the Avs.

Detroit actually

IrishGiant
07-01-2012, 01:20 PM
Detroit actually

John Mitchell signed a 2 year, 2.2million deal with Colorado

nyanks79
07-01-2012, 01:23 PM
Bickel 2 years. 750k per. Im ok with this.

nyanks79
07-01-2012, 01:30 PM
Konopka to Wild. Would have liked to look at him alittle. Though I hate him.

jetsfan89
07-01-2012, 01:43 PM
Colby Armstrong broke his own signing on twitter, to the Habs.

jetsfan89
07-01-2012, 01:45 PM
Aaron Ward @aaronward_nhl
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Ray Whitney agreed to terms w/ Dallas Stars at $9 million over 2 years. It is $4 million salary and $500000 in bonuses each year. #TSN

i really would have like whitney

Foge7
07-01-2012, 01:51 PM
Getting anxious, need to make a splash, not hearing to much with ranger rumors either, get it done slats!

nyanks79
07-01-2012, 01:58 PM
Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie
Re agent Ritch Winter: Rangers remain in on Prust.

oak2455
07-01-2012, 02:03 PM
Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie
Re agent Ritch Winter: Rangers remain in on Prust.

I like me some Prust

rocowear21
07-01-2012, 02:03 PM
This is tough

rocowear21
07-01-2012, 02:09 PM
How is our only signing todayto stu bickel. I mean really torts didnt even trust this guy to play and we resign him. Anyway I really wanted Konapka. His Faceoff talents would have really helped us out on PP and Pk.

Sather better have been calling him because that 2 year deal he got is nothing

jetsfan89
07-01-2012, 02:13 PM
How is our only signing todayto stu bickel. I mean really torts didnt even trust this guy to play and we resign him. Anyway I really wanted Konapka. His Faceoff talents would have really helped us out on PP and Pk.

Sather better have been calling him because that 2 year deal he got is nothing

you do realize that its only been 2 hours right?

so far its been overpaid fourth liners.

jetsfan89
07-01-2012, 02:17 PM
Glad Carkner is an Islander, love seeing pylons sign with rival teams. Though Boyle may have flinched just now.

rocowear21
07-01-2012, 02:19 PM
I do understand that its been 2 hours. But the only rumor I am hearing is that we resigned stu bickel. A huge need for our team this year was faceoffs. Konopka would have really helped that situation. But thats alright, bickel can play forward and D so I think we are all good. Look out East

Go Rangers!!!!!!

IAmARanger18
07-01-2012, 02:21 PM
Islanders got a steal in Boyes for 1M, I think right now that is the best signing of the day IMO

IAmARanger18
07-01-2012, 02:21 PM
i really would have like whitney

I wanted him so bad, so pissed he signed with Dallas.

gabby10
07-01-2012, 02:36 PM
are you ****ing kidding me...

asham 2 year contract.. smfh

rocowear21
07-01-2012, 02:45 PM
Asham is ok, Not a upgrade over prust. Gives us alittle toughness. I don't see him playing every game though. Kind of a depth guy. Not a huge salary either at 1 million a year.

jetsfan89
07-01-2012, 02:47 PM
asham at 1 M is far better than prust at 2.2M+

of course people hate asham, he's a ****ing dirty player who's played with all of our rival teams. but it's a good deal.

rocowear21
07-01-2012, 02:49 PM
[QUOTE=jetsfan89;22737906]asham at 1 M is far better than prust at 2.2M+

of course people hate asham, he's a ****ing dirty player


who's played with all of our rival teams. but it's a good deal.[/QUOTEA



Agree

rocowear21
07-01-2012, 02:59 PM
If Parise goes to Pitts, They are clear cut favs for years to come. Just sayin that is going to be one scary team for a long time. As long as Crosby stays healthy. That is there only concern. But man what a scary team.

J4KOP99
07-01-2012, 03:07 PM
Now there is news that the flyers have offered two monster deals for both Parise and suter

rocowear21
07-01-2012, 03:08 PM
That scares me also. Either of those teams become stronger we are in real trouble.

J4KOP99
07-01-2012, 03:08 PM
This seems to be right up Glenn's alley, I have a hard time believing he isn't involved as well

rocowear21
07-01-2012, 03:13 PM
Well sather we are active a FA man, we resigned kris newbury what a joke

Nonimonster
07-01-2012, 03:14 PM
Rangers did not make offer to Parise. Rangers also signed Kris Newbury for 2 years, two way deal. Who's Kris Newbury?

apdamico
07-01-2012, 03:15 PM
Konopka has agreed to a two-year deal with the Wild, reports Darren Dreger of TSN.

I would have preferred Konopka over AA because he's 3-years younger and great on faceoffs. Then again, the contract may be for much more than the 2-years, 2-mil. contract we signed AA away from Pittsburgh though.

gabby10
07-01-2012, 03:17 PM
chad johnson is gone too

Nonimonster
07-01-2012, 03:23 PM
anyone hear any big rumors today about the Rangers? Have they made any offers to anyone? I am surprised that there are not more rumors out there about the Rangers.

IAmARanger18
07-01-2012, 03:24 PM
Rangers resigned Kris Newbury to 2 year deal.

Nonimonster
07-01-2012, 03:29 PM
Rangers sign former Islander tough guy Micheal Haley to two-year deals

nyanks79
07-01-2012, 03:30 PM
Prust to Montreal.

4 years 10 mil. 2.5 per. Pass.

IAmARanger18
07-01-2012, 03:32 PM
Hahahahaha 2.5M a year, unreal.

J4KOP99
07-01-2012, 03:34 PM
Prusty making the big bucks. Sad to see him leave but it was the correct decision for us IMO

apdamico
07-01-2012, 03:37 PM
Prust to Montreal.

4 years 10 mil. 2.5 per. Pass.

Wow!!!!!!! Congrats to Prust, but that's way too much money for a 12-minute per night players!

jetsfan89
07-01-2012, 03:49 PM
Suter and Parise getting 12 year 80 million dollar deals is ludicrous. They are not top ten players.

Nonimonster
07-01-2012, 03:55 PM
Maybe this is why we haven't heard anything big from the Rangers with free agency:

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger

Carolina and Detroit are in a strong competition with New York Rangers for Rick Nash. Nothing imminent. Canes said to be pushing hard.

nyr1980
07-01-2012, 03:56 PM
Glad to see him get paid.

Even more glad to see it was by someone else.

$10 mil is a lot to commit to a guy who plays 12-13 mins a night.

fingerbang
07-01-2012, 03:56 PM
I hope they bid us out of it.

apdamico
07-01-2012, 03:57 PM
Haley was up and down with the Islanders and will never stick with the Rangers. He's nothing more than an enforcer for our young Whale players!

J4KOP99
07-01-2012, 03:58 PM
Great to see that Detroit and Carolina are driving the price up... Or keeping it where it currently is

MJL80
07-01-2012, 03:59 PM
Prust to Montreal... good luck Brandon, you will be missed. This kinda sucks

Nonimonster
07-01-2012, 04:00 PM
Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline

RT @NYP_Brooksie: Another day another attempt by Howson to prod NYR into doing something they wont. Not trading Kreider, Stepan or McDonagh.

apdamico
07-01-2012, 04:03 PM
Rather give Praise the 12-mil. up front bonus he's asking for than trade for Nash and lost valuable assets. New Jersey can't afford Praise's asking price, but will he play for the Rangers?

rocowear21
07-01-2012, 04:15 PM
No he wont play for the rangers. Bite the bullet, turn attention toward ryan. Sign Semin trade for ryan and lets get a vet D and we are ready for the season. LETS GO SATHER

IAmARanger18
07-01-2012, 04:17 PM
@TSNBobMcKenzie

P.A. Parenteau to COL, 4 yrs, $16M total.

PA just got paid.

bsi
07-01-2012, 04:17 PM
I still think Shane Doan is the way to go, cheaper, big body, team guy and we get to keep Kreider, McDonagh, Stepan and whoever else Howson traded for Nash in NHL12...Howson is rediculous, if he doesn't lower his asking price he's gonna have one messy situation come the start of the season and that could end his own job.

Nonimonster
07-01-2012, 04:18 PM
Heard Flyers are probably not in on Nash, but definitely in on Sutter and Parise:

Hockey Buzz Eklund ‏@Eklund

Flyers two offers on Suter and Parise HIGHER than being reported. Much higher.

IAmARanger18
07-01-2012, 04:20 PM
Yeah Flyers are out of Nash, Hurricanes are going hard for him according to Portzline, but Nash will only waive to SJ or NY.

nyr1980
07-01-2012, 04:21 PM
Bsi, Howson needs to come down.

But Shane Doan is not enough. And his numbers the last 3 seasons prove that.

nyr1980
07-01-2012, 04:23 PM
Yeah Flyers are out of Nash, Hurricanes are going hard for him according to Portzline, but Nash will only waive to SJ or NY.

If that's really true, that bodes well for the Rangers as SJ doesn't have the assets. They don't have the NHL depth, and they're system is threadbare.

Nonimonster
07-01-2012, 04:24 PM
Yeah Flyers are out of Nash, Hurricanes are going hard for him according to Portzline, but Nash will only waive to SJ or NY.

If Nash will only waive to SJ or NY, which I have not heard which teams he would be interesting in playing for and who he wouldn't, I would assume the Rangers will get Nash since I have not heard anything about Sharks being interested in Nash.

gabby10
07-01-2012, 04:24 PM
No one wants nash... Ryan or parise... F nash

bsi
07-01-2012, 04:28 PM
Bsi, Howson needs to come down.

But Shane Doan is not enough. And his numbers the last 3 seasons prove that.

He played on one of the worst franchises in hockey history his whole career, getting 60 points on that team is huge. Their top center this year was Antoine Vermette and the rest of the team is a bunch of cast offs from other teams. If he played a full season with Richards there's no doubt he gets 15-20 more points guaranteed or more.

fingerbang
07-01-2012, 04:29 PM
Bsi, Howson needs to come down.

But Shane Doan is not enough. And his numbers the last 3 seasons prove that.

We went to the conference finals so it's not like we need a roster overhaul.

nyr1980
07-01-2012, 04:30 PM
I'll have to disagree with that. I don't see Doan as a point-per-game guy at this stage.

bsi
07-01-2012, 04:30 PM
I'll have to disagree with that. I don't see Doan as a point-per-game guy at this stage.

How many points would Gaborik get playing with Antoine Vermette? Keep in mind, Vermette was a third line guy behind Spezza and Fisher in Ottawa. Doan had 73 pts 4 years ago with Matthew Lombardi as his center, with Richards it'd be a breeze for him.

fingerbang
07-01-2012, 04:34 PM
Doan can actually shoot off the pass which would be a nice addition to the power play.

nyr1980
07-01-2012, 04:37 PM
I'm not saying that I wouldn't like Doan, but they need to add a player of a higher level than him.

And comparing Doan to Gaborik is outrageous. Gaborik had had 3 40-goal seasons, and in 2 of them he was centered by players like Prospal and Bouchard. His skill set eclipses that of Doan's.

beast023
07-01-2012, 05:09 PM
Sather has to be working on something. there's no way we're getting shut out here. its not an option. and for those worried about not having done anything yet, look back a few years to july 1 2009 when it was around 7 pm and all we had signed all day was donald brashear (i was furious as im sure every other ranger fan was) and then news broke we signed gabby... somethings cookin

Nonimonster
07-01-2012, 05:16 PM
Hockey Buzz Eklund ‏@Eklund

Leafs and Rangers in on Hudler after Wings sign Brunner

Nonimonster
07-01-2012, 05:19 PM
Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper

#NHL. Starting to hear Suter has picked #Redwings as his destination. More to come.....

Nonimonster
07-01-2012, 05:24 PM
Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun

Agent Neil Sheehy says Ryan Suter has not made a decision yet.

Nonimonster
07-01-2012, 05:40 PM
Hockey Buzz Eklund ‏@Eklund

Nash down to Detroit, San Jose and Rangers…according to a source in Columbus.

Hockey Buzz Eklund ‏@Eklund

Just told Leafs in on Nash as well…


IF Detroit gets Nash and Suter, they will be the favorite to win the Stanley Cup next year and probably will win it. I hope the Rangers get Nash.

Nonimonster
07-01-2012, 05:43 PM
Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper

Market was set real early for Parise/Suter 12-13 year deals offered at 90M plus. Incredible to hear #NHL teams willing to go there.


ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I WOULD NEVER PAY THAT MUCH FOR EITHER PLAYER AND FOR THAT MANY YEARS.


Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie

Zach Parise's decision will not come until tomorrow. Has narrowed the field to a select group and will decide Monday.

Todd Cordell ‏@ToddCordell

Bob McKenzie said the Wild, Flyers, Penguins, Hurricanes and Devils appear to be the top five teams on Parise's "short list".

Not the Hurricanes, but Detroit is on the short list.

Nonimonster
07-01-2012, 05:59 PM
Sather has to be working on something. there's no way we're getting shut out here. its not an option. and for those worried about not having done anything yet, look back a few years to july 1 2009 when it was around 7 pm and all we had signed all day was donald brashear (i was furious as im sure every other ranger fan was) and then news broke we signed gabby... somethings cookin

He's probably working on the Nash deal and maybe another big deal in case the Nash deal does not work, or both deals. Nash deal is probably the reason why we have not heard much from Sather today. We still have several hours left in the day for things to happen and there is always tomorrow.

NYY09
07-01-2012, 06:33 PM
Whitney to the Stars for 2/9

bsi
07-01-2012, 06:39 PM
I'm not saying that I wouldn't like Doan, but they need to add a player of a higher level than him.

And comparing Doan to Gaborik is outrageous. Gaborik had had 3 40-goal seasons, and in 2 of them he was centered by players like Prospal and Bouchard. His skill set eclipses that of Doan's.

They are different players with different skill sets. My point was that Doan would get a lot more points playing with Richards and Gaborik than he will with Vermette and Whitney, so you can't say Doan isn't a really good player because he's on a shihhhtyy team. Nash only outscored Doan by 9 points and played in 3 more games so you're willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because he plays on a terrible team but not Doan. Doesn't make sense. Doan had 9 points in 16 games this playoffs and was by far their best forward.

Nonimonster
07-01-2012, 08:02 PM
It looks like it could be down to the Rangers to acquiring Rick Nash. In addition, Nash wants to play for the Rangers.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1243443-nhl-trade-rumors-new-york-rangers-headline-rick-nashs-shrinking-trade-list

Mr.Wiskers
07-01-2012, 08:09 PM
I'd rather sign Doan, who fits our system than breakup our core to deal for Nash.

NYY09
07-01-2012, 08:12 PM
To his credit Sather is one helluva trader.

J4KOP99
07-01-2012, 08:17 PM
Get Nash then sign Doan. Good enough?


-and never trust anything from bleacher report

NYY09
07-01-2012, 08:20 PM
I'd rather sign Doan, who fits our system than breakup our core to deal for Nash.

I dont get why people think this? Or do people have a terrible misconception as to what/who the "core" is ...?

saintant182
07-01-2012, 08:26 PM
Garrison to van... 4.6 per... Another gross overpayment, just think what our current d would command when their contracts are up if we were silly enough to pay that much

rocowear21
07-01-2012, 09:54 PM
In today's market that is descent value. If the cap didnt go up to 70 freaking million lol then his hap hit would have been around 3 or so. We can all thank the wideman signing for that.

Mr.Wiskers
07-01-2012, 10:50 PM
The "Core" means Girardi,McDonagh,Staal,MDZ---our top 4 d-men and Richards,Callahan,Stepan,Krieder,Hagelin and Gabby( tho' I would put him in that group myself)
We ended last season with the best record in the east and 3-4 best team.
We need to add a d-man and a scorer or 2. And that's without moving what we have.
Hagelin won the fastest skater competition and Kreider is a legit power forward.
MDZ had 41pts last yr. and wasn't afraid to throw his body around.

Mr.Wiskers
07-01-2012, 11:33 PM
Doan would be a nice piece for us, and he plays our style. 205 hits in 79 gms. Not to mention 22g/28a/50pts.

bsi
07-02-2012, 08:18 AM
Garrison to van... 4.6 per... Another gross overpayment, just think what our current d would command when their contracts are up if we were silly enough to pay that much

That's gonna be a major concern when they all come due. By that time McDonagh, Girardi and Staal could be looking at 7-8 mil each.

NYY09
07-02-2012, 11:01 AM
The "Core" means Girardi,McDonagh,Staal,MDZ---our top 4 d-men and Richards,Callahan,Stepan,Krieder,Hagelin and Gabby( tho' I would put him in that group myself)
We ended last season with the best record in the east and 3-4 best team.
We need to add a d-man and a scorer or 2. And that's without moving what we have.
Hagelin won the fastest skater competition and Kreider is a legit power forward.
MDZ had 41pts last yr. and wasn't afraid to throw his body around.

Well, this is obviously in your personal opinion, which I have no issue with what so ever. The thing is that its hard to believe that the team didnt overachieve last year and there are obvious needs that have to be addressed.

Having said that, logically speaking, some moves just wouldn't make sense. Trading Hank, Mcd, Kreider, Gabby, Richards, Cally, Stepan, Girardi, Staal and to a lesser extent MDZ and Hags so one could argue that could be the "core" of the team but really in the right deal any of them could be had, well except for Hank.

You have to give to get but I seriously doubt Sather plugs one hole by creating another so the "core" so to speak is safe.

Garden Faithful
07-02-2012, 11:36 AM
Well, this is obviously in your personal opinion, which I have no issue with what so ever. The thing is that its hard to believe that the team didnt overachieve last year and there are obvious needs that have to be addressed.

Having said that, logically speaking, some moves just wouldn't make sense. Trading Hank, Mcd, Kreider, Gabby, Richards, Cally, Stepan, Girardi, Staal and to a lesser extent MDZ and Hags so one could argue that could be the "core" of the team but really in the right deal any of them could be had, well except for Hank.

You have to give to get but I seriously doubt Sather plugs one hole by creating another so the "core" so to speak is safe.

The rangers said there are seven untouchables on the team that cannot be had so their vision of the core is pretty set so I don't see what the argument is and for the record Howson wants two of the players apparently. The seven players btw are Hank, Girardi, Staal, Callahan, Stepan, Mac, and Kreider.

NYY09
07-02-2012, 11:42 AM
The rangers said there are seven untouchables on the team that cannot be had so their vision of the core is pretty set so I don't see what the argument is and for the record Howson wants two of the players apparently. The seven players btw are Hank, Girardi, Staal, Callahan, Stepan, Mac, and Kreider.

Makes sense, I was close though... :D

Mr.Wiskers
07-02-2012, 11:50 AM
I wouldn't be opposed to a deal, but we need to keep at least 4 solid d-men( btw:Hank isn't going anywhere that goes without saying) and when Schultz signed w/Edm. That just took away our option of deal MDZ. In the playoffs Girardi,McD.,and Staal all avg. over 25min./GM. MDZ 21:39 while Stralman 16.55--Eminger and Bickel under 7. It's obvious that Torts didn't trust 6th d-man and if we dealt MDZ and Sauer isn't ready today and Erixon and McIlrath can't step in we'll only have 3 d-men. How is that gonna help us?

QUBobcats550
07-02-2012, 11:53 AM
The rangers said there are seven untouchables on the team that cannot be had so their vision of the core is pretty set so I don't see what the argument is and for the record Howson wants two of the players apparently. The seven players btw are Hank, Girardi, Staal, Callahan, Stepan, Mac, and Kreider.

I wish MDZ was considered a part of the core. I don't know why he wouldn't be.

NYY09
07-02-2012, 11:57 AM
I wouldn't be opposed to a deal, but we need to keep at least 4 solid d-men( btw:Hank isn't going anywhere that goes without saying) and when Schultz signed w/Edm. That just took away our option of deal MDZ. In the playoffs Girardi,McD.,and Staal all avg. over 25min./GM. MDZ 21:39 while Stralman 16.55--Eminger and Bickel under 7. It's obvious that Torts didn't trust 6th d-man and if we dealt MDZ and Sauer isn't ready today and Erixon and McIlrath can't step in we'll only have 3 d-men. How is that gonna help us?

It doesnt, thats why it most likely wont happen. Unless of course there is another corresponding move.

ohbilly2134
07-02-2012, 01:23 PM
I wish MDZ was considered a part of the core. I don't know why he wouldn't be.

Part of me also wished Hagelin was a part of that untouchable core, as well. We need his speed.

Garden Faithful
07-02-2012, 02:39 PM
I wish MDZ was considered a part of the core. I don't know why he wouldn't be.


Part of me also wished Hagelin was a part of that untouchable core, as well. We need his speed.

Doesn't mean that they will eagerly trade either of these guys away without any hesitation it just means they aren't untouchable.

Also Per Brooksie:


If NYR wont include Stepan in offer for Ryan, which they don't seem willing to do, they have zero chance.Seems like Nash or no one at moment.

Hopefully it's not Nash:pray:

Redfish
07-02-2012, 03:03 PM
I haven't seen any firm consensus around what it would cost to sign Alexander Semin. For all the talk about a poor attitude and work habits, is Semin not a viable option for this club? I thought he played a solid playoff series vs the Rangers and did not hurt the Caps defensively.

redwhiteandblue
07-02-2012, 03:12 PM
I thought Semin played pretty well in the playoffs, too.

He just does not fit here, though. Very, very skilled player. I would like to add a player of that caliber, but not one that has so much baggage. If it was Semin or nothing, I keep the roster spot and let the young kids keep developing. I think JT Miller may impress us this year big time, along with Kreider.

IAmARanger18
07-02-2012, 03:15 PM
Really slow day today.

I just hope Suter chooses Detroit and Parise chooses Minnesota and this is over with.

Redfish
07-02-2012, 03:21 PM
I thought Semin played pretty well in the playoffs, too.

He just does not fit here, though. Very, very skilled player. I would like to add a player of that caliber, but not one that has so much baggage. If it was Semin or nothing, I keep the roster spot and let the young kids keep developing. I think JT Miller may impress us this year big time, along with Kreider.

I too believe JT Miller could impress and either make the club outright, or be a mid-season call-up. Fortunately, there is room for him, Kreider AND Semin, if the Rangers chose that route. The way I see it, under the tight-checking games of both Budreau and Hunter, Semin was essentially a 25G / 30A player with a respectable +-. I would therefore make Semin plan "B" if CBJ/Howson continue with excessive asking price for Nash.

MJL80
07-02-2012, 03:42 PM
it's amazing how yesterday there seemed to be news or a signing every 5 minutes, and today there's NOTHINGGGGGGG (except for Brodeur & some speculation on Parise/Suter).

I was hoping for some big news today.... a little disappointed i must say lol

nyr1980
07-02-2012, 04:06 PM
Semin is an intriguing, yet very risky proposition, especially for this coach and team.

All world talent and overall, some excellent numbers with a number of really big seasons already at only 28. Could also be just moving into his prime.

However, coming off two subpar seasons, prone to laziness/irresponsibility, takes shifts off a lot. And despite starting to show some willingness to make physical sacrifices and play some D in the postseason this past season, he was a non-factor for the Caps with only 3 goals and 4 points in their 14 games. Plus no goals vs. the Rangers and saw his ice-time cut in a number of games. He'll also likely want big money over a lot of time.

Cons outweigh the pros I think. They'll probably look at him though, especially if they can't acquire someone else.

Mr.Wiskers
07-02-2012, 04:43 PM
Well, at this point besides Doan( who says he won't sign till the 9th since that will be the day the ownership will decide on staying in Pho. Or moving---in which case he'll sign elsewhere) and Semin the only other available free agent worth looking at is Olli Jokinen. So we have to figure that the Rangers should be calling Parise NOW and start convincing him to come here before he ends up somewhere else in which case we're gonna have to sign 2 of Doan,Semin,Jokinen.
Also saw we're talking to Pho. About Yandle, being that Pho.is having money issues and may be looking to leave Pho. And Maloney is our boy( and we have made numerous deals with him since he tookover), maybe picks and prospects can get the deal done.( its obvious they're rebuilding-lost Whitney, will lose Doan and Rosival)---Michael St.Croix had 107pts in 72 WHL games.

J4KOP99
07-02-2012, 05:01 PM
Supposedly Carolina is going in after Nash right now even though Nash does not have them on his list

nyanks79
07-02-2012, 05:05 PM
Parise just said he wont decide today. Id guess he is the first dominoe then Suter then trades and Semin Doan, though I heard Doan wasnt deciding till the 8th. I guess there not all connected but think it could happen.

J4KOP99
07-02-2012, 05:21 PM
So Parise just had a random press conference to say that he was not deciding today?

Why not just leave it as is w/o the press conference?

IAmARanger18
07-02-2012, 06:40 PM
Just sign already *******.

freddy686
07-02-2012, 10:47 PM
bring back jagr to play with richards for 2.5 mil a yr.. hell he had 60 points in 80 games last yr .. and we need a power play threat .. semin wants like 7 mil screw that

J4KOP99
07-03-2012, 12:37 AM
I would take jagr haha. Absolutely. The dude is still the don

bsi
07-03-2012, 08:48 AM
I would take jagr haha. Absolutely. The dude is still the don

I'd take him on a one year deal as well but what is the dollar amount? He's all about the money now so does 4 million get him? I'm guessing that's what he'll want and maybe more, he made 3.3 last year and proved that he could still play.That number doesn't bother me as Gaborik will be out half the year so we can use his savings to pay for Jagr. I see him finally going to Edmonton anyway, but as I said before it'd be great to see him work with Anisimov as I think he's got all the skills to be a Jagr type player(obviously I'm not comparing them there's no way he becomes half as good but anyway), one who uses their body to control the puck down low, has good speed and a good shot. I think Anisimov, Kreider, Stepan and maybe even Dubinsky could really learn from Jagr here.

bsi
07-03-2012, 08:49 AM
bring back jagr to play with richards for 2.5 mil a yr.. hell he had 60 points in 80 games last yr .. and we need a power play threat .. semin wants like 7 mil screw that

Jagr made 3.3 last year and he proved he could still play so his value is more than that now.

J4KOP99
07-03-2012, 12:47 PM
Yeah we would have to see what he wants obviously but I feel like a lot of us are forgetting that gabby will be out for a long time... We must make a few moves to help the offense.

Even if gaborik didn't get hurt, our offense still needs help.

IAmARanger18
07-03-2012, 01:34 PM
Another slow day today....

And Jagr is looking for a deal around 2 years 8-9M overall.

bsi
07-03-2012, 02:45 PM
Another slow day today....

And Jagr is looking for a deal around 2 years 8-9M overall.

I'd give him a 1 year at 4.5...only because Gabby won't be around the first half...I'm sure Edmonton will roll out the red carpet though

IAmARanger18
07-03-2012, 03:01 PM
I'd give him a 1 year at 4.5...only because Gabby won't be around the first half...I'm sure Edmonton will roll out the red carpet though

I am fine with that, but not a multi-year deal.

saintant182
07-03-2012, 05:45 PM
I'd give him a 1 year at 4.5...only because Gabby won't be around the first half...I'm sure Edmonton will roll out the red carpet though

hahaha you guys are unreal




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Mr.Wiskers
07-03-2012, 06:02 PM
Darren dreger tweeted Rangers sign Taylor Pyatt 2yr. 1.55/yr.

bsi
07-03-2012, 06:12 PM
hahaha you guys are unreal




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Hahaha...I figured that's what he would be looking for..hmmmm, now if I could only predict Nash for Dubinsky, Thomas and Erixxon...hahaha

IAmARanger18
07-03-2012, 06:14 PM
Dallas out of all places? That was shocking

bsi
07-03-2012, 06:19 PM
Dallas out of all places? That was shocking

Ya, they are making some moves though.

J4KOP99
07-03-2012, 07:22 PM
****in Dallas. C'mon Glenn, stop watching old Edmonton Stanley cup vhs's and get on the phone.

oak2455
07-04-2012, 12:30 PM
Wow Zach N Sutter go Wild!!!!

Nonimonster
07-04-2012, 12:44 PM
Are there any rumors on Rick Nash or any big names the Rangers are looking to sign or trade for? In addition, now that Parise and Suter are signed with the Wild, how long will it take to here a lot of rumors about Nash and how long will it take for some team to sign him, hopefully the Rangers?

J4KOP99
07-04-2012, 12:54 PM
Wow, they both went to minny? That's incredible. Good for the Wild and their fans though.

ElementCo27
07-04-2012, 12:55 PM
Are there any rumors on Rick Nash or any big names the Rangers are looking to sign or trade for? In addition, now that Parise and Suter are signed with the Wild, how long will it take to here a lot of rumors about Nash and how long will it take for some team to sign him, hopefully the Rangers?

The Rangers are the top team on Nash's list to go to, it's just that Howson, their GM, is picky on who he wants from the Rangers. Recently though, it was said that he wasn't looking for core players like Kreider, Stepan, or McD. That might mean he's looking at MDZ and Dubi. A lot of people on here have speculated Dubinsky, Del Zotto, Miller/Thomas, and a 1st, but Sather probably doesn't want to give up Del Zotto and I can't blame him. He's been getting better on his game.

I honestly don't know if Nash is the best option. Sure, he can put up good goals on a crappy team so that should be even better for us, but I don't want to just hand over these kids we got. I think a better route would be getting Shane Doan who can post up 20-30 in a season and let the kids do their thing. That's just me.

redwhiteandblue
07-04-2012, 01:08 PM
I'm ok with Nash, but recently Miller has jumped on the list of players I don't want to move. Step, Kreider, McD and Miller.

I'm ok with losing MDZ, it will be a hit to our blue line's numbers production wise, but it will give us an opportunity to shore up the defense in a whole defensively. I love MDZ but there are some glaring mistakes he makes game to game at big times.

And who knows, maybe they go out and add an establish defensemen via trade if we lose MDZ. We're far from Training Camp.

redwhiteandblue
07-04-2012, 01:08 PM
Oh yea, I called Parise to Minnesota months ago... but I also called Suter to Detroit. womp womp

Congrats for the Wild and their fans though, that's going to be an awesome hockey market for years to come.

QUBobcats550
07-04-2012, 01:16 PM
Wild stuff (no pun intended) I'm beginning to feel uneasy about Nash. The cost it'd take to get him and his cap hit for the next 6 years or whatever it is, could really hinder our future plans if he doesn't work out. I do not want to get rid of MDZ at all and would hate to see him go and what it would do to our defense. Personally, I would go after Bobby Ryan. Younger, cheaper, and reasonable contract. I like his game as well.

Nonimonster
07-04-2012, 01:23 PM
I wonder what Glen is doing? Is he actually trying to trade or sign big names or is he just so focused on Nash that he is only making these small signings?

nyr1980
07-04-2012, 01:28 PM
Perfect on Suter and Parise. Gets one of the ten best players in hockey out of the division, and keeps another all-star out. Good for Minny too. Really shakes up that division.

J4KOP99
07-04-2012, 01:39 PM
People asking what Glenn is doing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xgHtvJuWpc

Edit: For anyone that actually watches this, check the Gretzky pass at 1:17

IAmARanger18
07-04-2012, 01:51 PM
Good the Devils just got worse and the Penguins screwed themselves with all this cap space!

NYY09
07-04-2012, 04:10 PM
The Rangers are the top team on Nash's list to go to, it's just that Howson, their GM, is picky on who he wants from the Rangers. Recently though, it was said that he wasn't looking for core players like Kreider, Stepan, or McD. That might mean he's looking at MDZ and Dubi. A lot of people on here have speculated Dubinsky, Del Zotto, Miller/Thomas, and a 1st, but Sather probably doesn't want to give up Del Zotto and I can't blame him. He's been getting better on his game.


I honestly don't know if Nash is the best option. Sure, he can put up good goals on a crappy team so that should be even better for us, but I don't want to just hand over these kids we got. I think a better route would be getting Shane Doan who can post up 20-30 in a season and let the kids do their thing. That's just me.

He might have to give him up but if Stralman resigns and they know Sauer will be back, and if they feel Erixon could play with the big club next year it would seem like Del Zotto is in fact a tolerable loss considering the impact Nash could/should make.

Doan would be a great piece to have in ADDITION to a Nash, but by himself im pretty sure he doesnt put them over the proverbial top.


I'm ok with Nash, but recently Miller has jumped on the list of players I don't want to move. Step, Kreider, McD and Miller.

I'm ok with losing MDZ, it will be a hit to our blue line's numbers production wise, but it will give us an opportunity to shore up the defense in a whole defensively. I love MDZ but there are some glaring mistakes he makes game to game at big times.

And who knows, maybe they go out and add an establish defensemen via trade if we lose MDZ. We're far from Training Camp.

Sather might have the chips to pull off a Nash and a Yandle trade. Makes sense if you lose Del Zottto to bring in Yandle. With the Maloney/Sather relationship it certainly seems at least plausible...


Wild stuff (no pun intended) I'm beginning to feel uneasy about Nash. The cost it'd take to get him and his cap hit for the next 6 years or whatever it is, could really hinder our future plans if he doesn't work out. I do not want to get rid of MDZ at all and would hate to see him go and what it would do to our defense. Personally, I would go after Bobby Ryan. Younger, cheaper, and reasonable contract. I like his game as well.

Problem is other teams would be in on Ryan more so than Nash because of his low contract AAV so Anaheim will probably get more than it makes sense for the Rangers to part with for Ryan. It been said the Rangers/Ducks arent good trading partners...


I wonder what Glen is doing? Is he actually trying to trade or sign big names or is he just so focused on Nash that he is only making these small signings?

Parise/Suter were holding things up. Besides, you do realize FA is only 4 days old?




People asking what Glenn is doing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xgHtvJuWpc

Edit: For anyone that actually watches this, check the Gretzky pass at 1:17

Nice!


Good the Devils just got worse and the Penguins screwed themselves with all this cap space!

:dance:

saintant182
07-04-2012, 04:10 PM
my guess is glen is currently focussing on the nash situation.... i have to think that if he hasnt been willing to offer up large sums for the likes of suter and jagr, he isnt going to be dumb enough to give semin 7 mill.... and beyond nash i beleive he has half a mind to the fact that if it gets to july 9th and nothing is done in the nash situation.. he will look to doan possibly..... the fact that doan is holding out until the cyotes situation becomes clearer give him a time cushion i guess....

Hockey4Life
07-04-2012, 04:22 PM
any thoughts of what it would take to get Loui Eriksson out of dallas and then sign doan if he doesn't stay with phx that way we can keep our def together and add loui on the pp

nyr1980
07-04-2012, 04:27 PM
Loui Erixon is in no way available. They're building their offense around him and Jamie Benn.

rocowear21
07-04-2012, 05:00 PM
Sather was working the phones boys. Yes we signed Kyle Jean lol

bsi
07-04-2012, 07:58 PM
Sather was working the phones boys. Yes we signed Kyle Jean lol

That's not actually a bad signing, he's a young player who has improved the last couple years. He's actually a big kid with good hands, it's not Rick Nash, but good for Slats to get him in the organization. He's not gonna be a superstar but he could turn into a more physical Ponikerovski type player maybe, someone who is big and can also score on the 3rd line. He's the one who put McIlrath out of the prospect camp with a hit.

nyr1980
07-04-2012, 08:23 PM
Anyone else like Carlo Colaiacovo as a vet for the bottom pair?

Dernelle
07-04-2012, 10:32 PM
Perfect on Suter and Parise. Gets one of the ten best players in hockey out of the division, and keeps another all-star out. Good for Minny too. Really shakes up that division.

Parise one of the top 10 in the NHL? :facepalm: :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

nyr1980
07-05-2012, 01:15 AM
Parise one of the top 10 in the NHL? :facepalm: :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

At the wing, absolutely. There aren't 10 wingers in the game better than, or carrying a more complete game than Parise. Sorry for the confusion, I meant top 10 at his position.

maskedmn
07-05-2012, 01:47 AM
Granted its not the most reliable source of info, but I was reading on bleacherreport.com that there's a rumor that Howson may not be asking for Kreider, Stepan or McDonagh in package for Nash anymore. Anyone else hear of any truth to that?

Isca92
07-05-2012, 10:30 AM
Maskedmn, thats what their beat writer has been reporting. I think Howson was hoping parise went to pitt, making Rangers and Flyers fight Nash.

How is every person drafted by the Rangers untouchable by the fans.

Raiderwood
07-05-2012, 10:49 AM
Worst thing for us is to be stuck in salary cap hell which is what will happen with Nash.. I like more of the Shane Doan type who can put up goals in a defensive minded system like we have. We're very close and pieces, not wholesale changes via trade..

Someone said earlier that Nash has put up alot of goals on subpar teams..I tend to agree. What happens when the playoffs come and everything tightens up..will you have similar production from a guy you traded a bunch of playoff tested players for? Just a thought..

Isca92
07-05-2012, 10:56 AM
Raiderwood, Id rather have Nash for 7/8 years then have Parise for 13 who are only a year apart in age. Plus when Bobby Ryan hits UFA status, hell probably get a 10 year deal also. Same for any big name UFA coming up.

Raiderwood
07-05-2012, 11:10 AM
Raiderwood, Id rather have Nash for 7/8 years then have Parise for 13 who are only a year apart in age. Plus when Bobby Ryan hits UFA status, hell probably get a 10 year deal also. Same for any big name UFA coming up.
Good point..but do you want to make a wholesale change when we are so close.. I like Doan b/c hes a bigger body.. (I know I said Shane Doan type)... I was never totally sold on Parise for us..

Nash is 27-28.. for 7-8 yrs how much of the cap does he eat up? Dont get me wrong.. the guy is talented and would love to have him.. for me, it's cap thing..

bsi
07-05-2012, 11:13 AM
Maskedmn, thats what their beat writer has been reporting. I think Howson was hoping parise went to pitt, making Rangers and Flyers fight Nash.

How is every person drafted by the Rangers untouchable by the fans.

I agree that that's what Howson was thinking but I think something unexpected happened here too, it also put pressure on Detroit to jump on board as they are looking like a team that could miss playoffs right now, and it's put pressure on the rest of the West as well. I know Nash has a list of teams but I have a hard time believing he'd turn down a trade to Pitsburgh or Detroit if there was a choice between staying in Columbus or making a trade happen.

Isca92
07-05-2012, 11:33 AM
Raiderwood, Nash is 28 and contract goes for 6 seasons. 7.8 hit. I like Doan but hes someone who would help the scoring but not put this teams scoring where it needs to be. Hed be great if added with Nash/Ryan. I also feel Nash is a point a game player on a real team.

BSI, I cant see Howson sending Nash to any team in their division, hes a horrible gm but thats just an insult to the fans seeing him 6 times a year. I dont think Pitt goes crazy for Nash, I think Parise worked for them cause its no assets given up. I think its still down to NYR, San Jose, Philly. Philly only if they cant get their hands on Ryan and to make Gleen overpay. Carolina being the only dark house.

ElementCo27
07-05-2012, 12:42 PM
Raiderwood, Id rather have Nash for 7/8 years then have Parise for 13 who are only a year apart in age. Plus when Bobby Ryan hits UFA status, hell probably get a 10 year deal also. Same for any big name UFA coming up.

The most he'll get is 6 years if the new CBA puts a cap on the amount of years a player can get. I honestly don't think we need to do anything major anyway. I have full confidence in our core team and youth to come. I'd rather have more 20-30 goal scorers than have just one 30-40. More secondary scoring on the team and less focus on one or two players. I won't complain if we land Nash, for the right price of course.

Isca92
07-05-2012, 12:54 PM
Scratch Carolina from the Nash list, according to Dreger they want Skinner.

Element, while waiting for our guys to develop so will all those 1 overal picks that Edmonton has and every year is a year off Hank, plus 3 years left on Staals contract (til he goes to carolina for nothing). The problem with 20-30 goal scorers is come playoff time they dont put the puck in the net like 40 -50 goal scorers do. Plus relying on the new cba to limit contract length will probably not fly. Its no good for the players and the gms trying to make the declining cap hit contracts.

ElementCo27
07-05-2012, 01:08 PM
Scratch Carolina from the Nash list, according to Dreger they want Skinner.

Element, while waiting for our guys to develop so will all those 1 overal picks that Edmonton has and every year is a year off Hank, plus 3 years left on Staals contract (til he goes to carolina for nothing). The problem with 20-30 goal scorers is come playoff time they dont put the puck in the net like 40 -50 goal scorers do. Plus relying on the new cba to limit contract length will probably not fly. Its no good for the players and the gms trying to make the declining cap hit contracts.

True, you got a point. With Howson demanding Skinner from Carolina makes me wonder who he's trying to take from us?

redwhiteandblue
07-05-2012, 01:16 PM
Thing is I don't know if Carolina has the organizational depth that we have. So there's slim pickings there, why not go directly after Skinner?

Now I don't know if that's the case, but if it is he could work a different deal with us so he's not going after one high end prospect and a few other high risk/rewards.

Isca92
07-05-2012, 01:40 PM
Based on what their beat writer is saying on twitter during this whole saga, Ive read they are not demanding Kreider, Mcdonagh, Stepan.

So that means then Hagelin. They say they like Dubi. Possibly MDZ, a prospect and a pick. Sathers probably trying to make it Erixon over MDZ. Now thats just me speculating but thats what Im thinking.

redwhiteandblue
07-05-2012, 02:22 PM
I agree. I think one of two deals is going to go down if we get Nash:

Dubi, Hags, Miller, Erixxon

or

Dubi, Hags, Thomas, MDZ

There may be another low end piece or two in there but I'm guessing one of those two deals are the basis of getting Nash.

MJL80
07-05-2012, 02:42 PM
I agree. I think one of two deals is going to go down if we get Nash:

Dubi, Hags, Miller, Erixxon

or

Dubi, Hags, Thomas, MDZ

There may be another low end piece or two in there but I'm guessing one of those two deals are the basis of getting Nash.

You gotta expect a 1st in one of those proposed trades as well. Their certainly going to want a draft pick

Redfish
07-05-2012, 02:50 PM
I agree. I think one of two deals is going to go down if we get Nash:

Dubi, Hags, Miller, Erixxon

or

Dubi, Hags, Thomas, MDZ

There may be another low end piece or two in there but I'm guessing one of those two deals are the basis of getting Nash.

Both packages are too expensive, in my view, unless one assumes Dubinsky's performance last season is where he will max out as a pro. I think that is too big of an assumption.

Using your package profiles, I would think Dubinsky, Erixon, Thomas & 1st round pick is about as far as I would go. JT Miller is an emerging 2nd line, rugged wing -- it pays to continue to develop him unless he is valued this way. In fact, I expect him to either make the roster this upcoming season or be a mid-season call-up like Hagelin this past season.

We can discuss player values all day, but I just hope we do not give up the amount of assets you've referenced above.

Isca92
07-05-2012, 03:23 PM
Redfish, I dont think any of the forwards come close to Nash skill. Id love to hold on to MDZ, but if Erixon wont cut it then oh well. With Nash and a healthy Gaborik the top 6 is set so who cares what second line players go there. Anisimov Boyle and whatever prospect left is fine by me, Hrivik, Thomas, Miller, Borque, Fast, or pick up another bottom forward. Would love to see Peter Mueller there on a cheap 1/2 year deal.

MJL80
07-05-2012, 03:36 PM
Fedotenko just signed with the Flyers.

Hopefully this will open up a spot for one of the kids (Miller or Thomas maybe?) if they end up not being part of a trade.

bsi
07-05-2012, 04:01 PM
Fedotenko just signed with the Flyers.

Hopefully this will open up a spot for one of the kids (Miller or Thomas maybe?) if they end up not being part of a trade.

We have all kinds of room for young guys, I think the problem will be finding young guys that are ready to fill the spots more than having spots ready.

Redfish
07-05-2012, 04:32 PM
Fedotenko just signed with the Flyers.

Hopefully this will open up a spot for one of the kids (Miller or Thomas maybe?) if they end up not being part of a trade.

Compared to last year's roster, I think, as things stand right now, Fedetenko, Prust and Mitchell have been replaced with Pyatt, Ashom and Kreider. I think it was Mitchell sitting for Kreider in the NJD playoff series.

This makes it hard for Miller, Thomas or Hrivik to make the roster; there just aren't enough slots as of now -- although, I am hoping Miller forces his way onto the team at end of training camp, or is a mid-season call-up like Hagelin was last year.

redwhiteandblue
07-05-2012, 04:44 PM
You gotta expect a 1st in one of those proposed trades as well. Their certainly going to want a draft pick
Maybe, maybe not. I think potentially it could be something smaller, another low end 'spec but maybe not. The market is still developing on the Nash front and it seems there other teams in play now. Maybe Nash still only wants to come here, but you never know that could change.


Both packages are too expensive, in my view, unless one assumes Dubinsky's performance last season is where he will max out as a pro. I think that is too big of an assumption.

Using your package profiles, I would think Dubinsky, Erixon, Thomas & 1st round pick is about as far as I would go. JT Miller is an emerging 2nd line, rugged wing -- it pays to continue to develop him unless he is valued this way. In fact, I expect him to either make the roster this upcoming season or be a mid-season call-up like Hagelin this past season.

We can discuss player values all day, but I just hope we do not give up the amount of assets you've referenced above.
I don't think they're too expensive. You're giving up a top player in the league, the potential he's about to go to a team with more talent than he has ever seen and it costs to get a player of his caliber. Regardless of his price tag he is under team control for a long time, we will not lose him.

Dubisnky is a middle six forward. Sure, he led the team a couple of years ago but we were in a down year as far as having any premier scorer on the team goes. It's not unrealistic to rationalize, at best, Dubinsky is a 45-60ish point producer depending on how he plays that year.

Hagelin is a good player who I think will see more success on the NHL level because of what his speed and skill set can do when paired with the right players, but still I would not label him a 1st line player, more of a top 6 forward.

Del Zotto would be the centerpiece of the deal. He's a great offensive d-man already at this level. Although he has spotty consistence on the other side of the puck, he is still young and has room to grow. The more complete he becomes the more valuable he gets. Yes, the jury is out on him right now on further development, but he's already a young, promising PP QB.

If not him it could be Miller, he's to me Kreider 2.0 right now. He was a bit of a project with high reward and he's panning out nice as Kreider had but I believe he is more NHL ready.

Other then that you have to expect a couple of throw in pieces to go around it, so those prices to me seem pretty fair.

redwhiteandblue
07-05-2012, 04:44 PM
Even after a Nash trade I could see another move via trade.

MJL80
07-05-2012, 05:15 PM
I honestly wish we would just put a package together, whether it be something like: Dubi,
Hagelin OR Del Zotto
Thomas
a 1st

and tell Columbus "here u go.... u have 2 days to mull this over, then we move on"

I'm so sick of hearing about Rick Nash..... starting to think that we might actually be better off moving forward without him and hoping we can talk Doan into coming here.

The flyers will be bobby ryan's eventual destination IMO

Garden Faithful
07-05-2012, 05:29 PM
Even after a Nash trade I could see another move via trade.

With all we would have to give up to get Nash, which we hopefully don't do, what would we have to give away?

NYY09
07-05-2012, 05:45 PM
I could see a Yandle/Doan acquisition in addition to Nash. Thats if MDZ goes to CBJ in the Nash deal and Pho. stays a mess.

Might be time to go in for the kill since the rest of the east got much weaker.

Garden Faithful
07-05-2012, 06:00 PM
I'm really hoping for Doan, he would add a lot to the PP and he's an all around good player with size. I'd take Yandle all day but as always depends on the price which is the main reason I don't want Nash.

NYY09
07-05-2012, 07:23 PM
I'm really hoping for Doan, he would add a lot to the PP and he's an all around good player with size. I'd take Yandle all day but as always depends on the price which is the main reason I don't want Nash.

Doan depends on the situation in Pho and the resolution or lack there of. The Rangers have some serious depth in the minors and it would make sense to use some it now, especially considering how much weaker the East has gotten.

A trade centering around MDZ/Dubi for Nash and a prospect laden package including Erixon for Yandle.

The memo has been sent to Glenn... :D

fingerbang
07-05-2012, 07:33 PM
Doan depends on the situation in Pho and the resolution or lack there of. The Rangers have some serious depth in the minors and it would make sense to use some it now, especially considering how much weaker the East has gotten.

A trade centering around MDZ/Dubi for Nash and a prospect laden package including Erixon for Yandle.

The memo has been sent to Glenn... :D

How could you fit those moves under the cap?

NYY09
07-05-2012, 08:20 PM
How could you fit those moves under the cap?

The team has 54.4 Mill committed and 15.8 in space, add Dubi's 4.2 and it becomes 20. Nash is at 7.8, Yandle an even 5 and assuming Doan gets about 4 then it seems it's more than doable. Not to mention Drury's 1.6 comes off after the year also.

I'm far from a cap geek but its plausible, however unlikely. :)

IAmARanger18
07-05-2012, 09:31 PM
I don't think Doan would come here, wants to stay out West.

fingerbang
07-05-2012, 10:52 PM
The team has 54.4 Mill committed and 15.8 in space, add Dubi's 4.2 and it becomes 20. Nash is at 7.8, Yandle an even 5 and assuming Doan gets about 4 then it seems it's more than doable. Not to mention Drury's 1.6 comes off after the year also.

I'm far from a cap geek but its plausible, however unlikely. :)

You're not wrong but we're gonna have to hand out a bunch of raises next offseason.

NYY09
07-06-2012, 05:42 AM
You're not wrong but we're gonna have to hand out a bunch of raises next offseason.

Not as many as you might think. The RFA's next year are Hags, AA, Step, Sauer and Mcd. Out of those only AA is not coming off an ELC so the raises shouldnt be substantial. Mix that in with the fact that Hags might be dealt in a Nash deal, and AA might be dealt also (or not resigned) and that really leaves you with 3 guys.

Also, in that scenario Yandles is the only contract that raised in value and its only by 250k. Drury's remaining 1.6 comes off also adding more to the available funds box.

Its doable my friend, very very doable.

nyr2002nyr
07-06-2012, 08:10 AM
Not as many as you might think. The RFA's next year are Hags, AA, Step, Sauer and Mcd. Out of those only AA is not coming off an ELC so the raises shouldnt be substantial. Mix that in with the fact that Hags might be dealt in a Nash deal, and AA might be dealt also (or not resigned) and that really leaves you with 3 guys.

Also, in that scenario Yandles is the only contract that raised in value and its only by 250k. Drury's remaining 1.6 comes off also adding more to the available funds box.

Its doable my friend, very very doable.

Doable yes but you are asking lots from a guy who thought signing Drury,Gomez and Redden

NYY09
07-06-2012, 09:29 AM
Doable yes but you are asking lots from a guy who thought signing Drury,Gomez and Redden

It would seem like those kinds of decisions are in the past. The team is a legit contender and moves such as those no longer have to be made.

Also, referring to that guy, he brought in Gaborik and Richards, stole McD, found Prust, and made minor moves like Stralman and Mitchell that payed dividends.

I think Sather and Co. have come a long way from the Drury and Redden days, or at least redeemed themselves.



edit: lets also give that guy credit for bringing in Gordie Clark and co. who have turned our minor league talent into one of the deepest in the NHL.

fingerbang
07-06-2012, 01:14 PM
Not as many as you might think. The RFA's next year are Hags, AA, Step, Sauer and Mcd. Out of those only AA is not coming off an ELC so the raises shouldnt be substantial. Mix that in with the fact that Hags might be dealt in a Nash deal, and AA might be dealt also (or not resigned) and that really leaves you with 3 guys.

Also, in that scenario Yandles is the only contract that raised in value and its only by 250k. Drury's remaining 1.6 comes off also adding more to the available funds box.

Its doable my friend, very very doable.

If McD develops some offense and continues to play solid D you could realistically have to shell out 5 per. If Stepan steps up his game a little your looking at around 4. I wouldn't want to see Hagelin leave, his speed is important. I wouldn't be surprised to see AA gone after this year.

You trade for those two guys and you basically dump the majority of your farm. Rookies are cheap and all of a sudden you have to go out and overpay in free agency to fill out your roster.

The worst thing we can do is jam up the roster with a bunch of big contracts. That's just my opinion. That's how we did it in the past.

We also have to acquire more players. Our roster is thin. If we trade 4 players for two, etc, we'd still have to make more free agent signings.

NYY09
07-06-2012, 03:12 PM
If McD develops some offense and continues to play solid D you could realistically have to shell out 5 per. If Stepan steps up his game a little your looking at around 4. I wouldn't want to see Hagelin leave, his speed is important. I wouldn't be surprised to see AA gone after this year.

You trade for those two guys and you basically dump the majority of your farm. Rookies are cheap and all of a sudden you have to go out and overpay in free agency to fill out your roster.

The worst thing we can do is jam up the roster with a bunch of big contracts. That's just my opinion. That's how we did it in the past.

We also have to acquire more players. Our roster is thin. If we trade 4 players for two, etc, we'd still have to make more free agent signings.

McD made 1.3 this year coming off a ELC, no way he gets 5 anytime soon, same goes for Stepan, he made 875k so 4 is still a ways away.

I do however know what you mean, I also realize it's a stretch what I was proposing but hey, one can daydream a bit no? :p

redwhiteandblue
07-06-2012, 03:48 PM
With all we would have to give up to get Nash, which we hopefully don't do, what would we have to give away?

We have some pieces, we're deep right now. It's a bit lumped up in spots but we are good. We have some wiggle room.

Lets not forget that if Nash is brought in, and assuming Kreider develops where he should, Gaborik's price tag will probably come off the books and be saved for raises.

J4KOP99
07-06-2012, 07:30 PM
Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger

NYR still very interested in Rick Nash, but, they're not willing to wait forever. Currently exploring other options as well. Someone blink.

IAmARanger18
07-06-2012, 08:59 PM
I really hope we hear some new things pick up ASAP.

Mr.Wiskers
07-06-2012, 10:26 PM
Whatever happened to Evander Kane wanting out of Winni.
Maybe we should focus on him.

ElementCo27
07-07-2012, 12:06 AM
I honestly think we should go for Kyle Wellwood primarily for his faceoff skill. He's also had under 50 PIM in 450 career games so he's extremely disciplined. He had a career season last year too and an upgrade from $700k won't be too much. Maybe sign him for 2-3mil and maybe get Doan too. And I can only imagine what could happen if we got Nash in that mix too if it's possible on the cap.

Also, I agree on Evander Kane, that would be a nice pick up as well since he's young talent. I think everyone is waiting on these trades to finish the signings though.

NYY09
07-07-2012, 05:14 AM
I honestly think we should go for Kyle Wellwood primarily for his faceoff skill. He's also had under 50 PIM in 450 career games so he's extremely disciplined. He had a career season last year too and an upgrade from $700k won't be too much. Maybe sign him for 2-3mil and maybe get Doan too. And I can only imagine what could happen if we got Nash in that mix too if it's possible on the cap.

Also, I agree on Evander Kane, that would be a nice pick up as well since he's young talent. I think everyone is waiting on these trades to finish the signings though.

There are reports out of Winnepeg that Kane's unhappiness is a complete farse and besides, why would they trade the face of the franchise? Not to mention the price, if you think Nash is expensive....

Garden Faithful
07-07-2012, 11:30 AM
There are reports out of Winnepeg that Kane's unhappiness is a complete farse and besides, why would they trade the face of the franchise? Not to mention the price, if you think Nash is expensive....

I'm not saying they would trade him but going after him is a much more worthwhile proposition than going after Nash. He's 20 and had arguably a better season last year and would be at most 2/3 the price in terms of cap hit. Also he's an RFA so you could control how long you have him with whatever contract you decide to give him. If you have the option to trade for a 20 year old who will be a big star in the league and you can sign for how ever long you want or a 28 year old who you will have to have until he is in his mid to late thirties you take the 20 year old. Or you could wait until he is a UFA and try and sign him which I would be all for but about half the league will try to sign him so much more competition.

Isca92
07-07-2012, 12:38 PM
I take the 28 elite player over the 21 year old good player. The time for the Rangers to win is now and continue to win. Not wait 2-3 from now to start. If you want to compare stats thats fine, but add in which division each team plays in. Winnipeg is a better team then Columbus and plays in a much weaker division. While Kane is a good player he isnt in the category as Nash.

Mr.Wiskers
07-07-2012, 12:55 PM
Garden Faithful is absolutely right, couldn't have said it better myself, the only thing I want to add is that The Jets GM Kevin( won't even attempt to spellout his last name) might be easier to deal with that Howson.

Mr.Wiskers
07-07-2012, 01:40 PM
Isca, this has got the 1st. Time we disagree with each other.
Nash had 150 pts in his 1st 3 yrs. and Kane had 126 pts.--that's not to far off.
Getting Kane is not gonna keep us from competing NOW, he's been in the league for 3yrs.
He will be making 3.1 mil this yr.
But let me say this--we're not saying we want Kane over Nash--we're saying Nash isn't available( Howson is asking the world and if we gave him what he wanted we'd be stripping down our team and wouldn't be able to "win now") so we need to go after somebody else. That somebody else would be Kane. ---or at least make Howson think we're going after somebody else and moving on, so he can start dropping off of his demands.

Isca92
07-07-2012, 02:06 PM
Mr Wiskers, heres while Kane may bring in the close to Nash type stats, he does not bring the same type of skill. Nash has an elite set of hands, stick handling, grabbing rebounds and putting them in. They need to someone who can carry the puck. The reason the PP sucks is they cant gain the zone clean and set up off the reentry. Opposing teams d are not afraid to pressure our guys when they have the puck, maybe Richards. Id rather call up Chicago and go after the other Kane. Yeah hes a party boy, but so are Richards/Carter they still lifted the cup this summer.

For me its all about the type of skill set over the same type of stats. I want a particular type of skill to fill the top line, not just someone that can play on a type line.

NYY09
07-07-2012, 04:13 PM
Mr Wiskers, heres while Kane may bring in the close to Nash type stats, he does not bring the same type of skill. Nash has an elite set of hands, stick handling, grabbing rebounds and putting them in. They need to someone who can carry the puck. The reason the PP sucks is they cant gain the zone clean and set up off the reentry. Opposing teams d are not afraid to pressure our guys when they have the puck, maybe Richards. Id rather call up Chicago and go after the other Kane. Yeah hes a party boy, but so are Richards/Carter they still lifted the cup this summer.

For me its all about the type of skill set over the same type of stats. I want a particular type of skill to fill the top line, not just someone that can play on a type line.

Excellent point :clap:

Mr.Wiskers
07-08-2012, 01:49 PM
Isca, no matter how you cut it---we don't have Nash and we won't get Nash with Howsons' asking price. GardenFaithful,NYY09, and I are talking about targeting other players on other teams, who we might actually have a chance to get.

nyr1980
07-09-2012, 03:49 AM
I'd take Kane in lieu of Nash. But that would be acstraightbhockey trade, Chicago would undoubtedly want one out of the top-4, plus someone like Dubi, Hags, or AA. They might want more on top of that, but even if they don't, it's still similar to where Nash is at on price.

The catch though is that Nash has a full NMC (not sure if Kane does) and Columbus HAS to trade him for all intents and purposes. That and the fact that Chicagobis not in the midst of an all out rebuild like Columbus, and Nash has a higher probability IMO of costing less in the way of guys off the roster right now.

gabby10
07-09-2012, 09:27 AM
I'd take Kane in lieu of Nash. But that would be acstraightbhockey trade, Chicago would undoubtedly want one out of the top-4, plus someone like Dubi, Hags, or AA. They might want more on top of that, but even if they don't, it's still similar to where Nash is at on price.

The catch though is that Nash has a full NMC (not sure if Kane does) and Columbus HAS to trade him for all intents and purposes. That and the fact that Chicagobis not in the midst of an all out rebuild like Columbus, and Nash has a higher probability IMO of costing less in the way of guys off the roster right now.

they're talking about evander....

rocowear21
07-09-2012, 10:25 AM
I just want something to happen. Doesn't even have to be a big deal.

Garden Faithful
07-09-2012, 11:07 AM
Mr Wiskers, heres while Kane may bring in the close to Nash type stats, he does not bring the same type of skill. Nash has an elite set of hands, stick handling, grabbing rebounds and putting them in. They need to someone who can carry the puck. The reason the PP sucks is they cant gain the zone clean and set up off the reentry. Opposing teams d are not afraid to pressure our guys when they have the puck, maybe Richards. Id rather call up Chicago and go after the other Kane. Yeah hes a party boy, but so are Richards/Carter they still lifted the cup this summer.

For me its all about the type of skill set over the same type of stats. I want a particular type of skill to fill the top line, not just someone that can play on a type line.

He also doesn't bring the same type of contract. And our PP is bad not necessarily because we can't gain the zone because we did that plenty this year it's because we have no shot from the point and no one stands in front of the net. Power plays are simple you get the puck in get a shot from the point bang in rebounds in front of the net. Once you do that you can do all the other fancy ****. Also I would take Richards over Kane anyday of the week he's a great all around player and is a great playoff type guy and Carter simply works well with his buddy Richards.

Also you are assuming Kane can't be as good as Nash in a couple of years which he could and at a much cheaper cost and shorter contract. I'm looking from the perspective of I don't want an 8 mill contract on the cap if the guy is not named Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Datsyuk, Kopitar, or Stamkos. That's why I don't want Nash he may be good but that contract is a killer.

apdamico
07-09-2012, 03:00 PM
I just want something to happen. Doesn't even have to be a big deal.

That's right, keep our young players and go heavily after Doan. He's the type of gritty player that fits Tort's system and can fill in for Gaborik until he returns. Why sell the farm, when we can pick up Doan for a couple of years for just salary?

IAmARanger18
07-09-2012, 03:51 PM
I would love Evander Kane here.

NYY09
07-09-2012, 05:02 PM
Doan's agent said they will start fielding calls Tuesday to get an idea where the market is. Nice.

IAmARanger18
07-09-2012, 05:19 PM
Yeah but teams wanna offer him like 3-4 years at 5-6M a year, if Sather does that I will be ****ing pissed.

bsi
07-09-2012, 06:24 PM
Yeah but teams wanna offer him like 3-4 years at 5-6M a year, if Sather does that I will be ****ing pissed.

I have no problem with 2 years for 10-11...anything beyond that I'm starting to back away. Thing is, at this point it's not about money entirely with Doan, he wants a cup, there's a pretty good team here in NY that will give him every opportunity for that to happen. Teams like Toronto and Montreal will make bids but I doubt he's really listening.

Isca92
07-09-2012, 10:18 PM
Gardenfaithful, you do realize that 1/4 of our goals came from the defenseman in the playoffs. They dont have the big shot but they have good enough shots. They do not spend enough time in the zone because they cannot re enter the zone clean and get set up. A guy like Nash/Ryan allows them to gain the zone easier cause players are afraid of gettig beat when already a man down, similar to Kovy with NJs when Parise was out there. Im not saying Evander Kane wont put up good numbers, Im saying hes not the type of player they need, skill set wise.

Its funny that one of the players you named is Datsyuk. First hes 33, still good right? And youd pay that cap hit next year so when hes 34 which is a few days away. Datsyuk has 49 less goals then Nash in 58 more games. Look who he gets to play with when you bring up assists. Nash has more pp/sh/gwg then Datsyuk. Nash is a 7 time 30 goal scorer in 9 years, Datsyuk has 10 years 3 time 30 goal scorer. Datsyuk is 5'11, while Nash is 6'4. The only downside to Nash is he was the one draft pick CBJs got right while Datsyuk was drafted by Detroit. This is no way saying I think anything bad about Datsyuk just people need to realize how good Nash is.

I see Doan getting 3-5 years, especially since 40 year olds are still producing. Around a 5-6 cap hit. Thats why I stay away.

QUBobcats550
07-09-2012, 10:57 PM
I would love Evander Kane here.

As would I, but what would it cost??

bsi
07-10-2012, 06:14 AM
As would I, but what would it cost??

From what I've heard Kane doesn't want out of Winnipeg and Winnipeg doesn't want to lose Kane, nor should they.

Mr.Wiskers
07-10-2012, 10:15 AM
Isca,Datsyuk is a center and a playmaker hence his 478 career assist,w/191 of them on the PP. If you're gonna compare him to Nash, as an overall player give the full stats not just the stats you want to put in to make your point. Datsyuk has played 58 more games than Nash and has 49 less goals but 220 more assists and 171 more points and like I said he's a center with a career face-off win % over 52. So I would have to agree with GardenFaithful on this one.

beast023
07-10-2012, 01:29 PM
Datsyuk is in the top 5 all around players in the game. he may not put up the same offensive numbers as crosby or malkin but he's just about a point a game most years and he has been thee best defensive forward over the last half decade. just think of all the goals he's saved by winning more face-offs or just robbing players 3 full seconds before they realize the play is going the other way (dude is like a ninja on skates). and i would say he's probably the last player any goalie would want to face on a clear break away because he has the hands to just embarrass them. so yea i would say datsyuk is in the category of players worthy of that money. on a side note if he was playing with an elite scorer like say gaborik, he would be in the art ross conversation yearly (see this past all-star game)

Garden Faithful
07-10-2012, 01:58 PM
Gardenfaithful, you do realize that 1/4 of our goals came from the defenseman in the playoffs. They dont have the big shot but they have good enough shots. They do not spend enough time in the zone because they cannot re enter the zone clean and get set up. A guy like Nash/Ryan allows them to gain the zone easier cause players are afraid of gettig beat when already a man down, similar to Kovy with NJs when Parise was out there. Im not saying Evander Kane wont put up good numbers, Im saying hes not the type of player they need, skill set wise.

Its funny that one of the players you named is Datsyuk. First hes 33, still good right? And youd pay that cap hit next year so when hes 34 which is a few days away. Datsyuk has 49 less goals then Nash in 58 more games. Look who he gets to play with when you bring up assists. Nash has more pp/sh/gwg then Datsyuk. Nash is a 7 time 30 goal scorer in 9 years, Datsyuk has 10 years 3 time 30 goal scorer. Datsyuk is 5'11, while Nash is 6'4. The only downside to Nash is he was the one draft pick CBJs got right while Datsyuk was drafted by Detroit. This is no way saying I think anything bad about Datsyuk just people need to realize how good Nash is.

I see Doan getting 3-5 years, especially since 40 year olds are still producing. Around a 5-6 cap hit. Thats why I stay away.

I named Datsyuk because he's the best two way player in the league and is the best on the puck in the league. He also has won cups and been influential in this cups. Furthermore Datsyuk would be the ideal player for the PP according to you because all we need is someone to get it into the zone and he's better than anyone with the puck because it's impossible to get it off his stick. Secondly with regards to our defense scoring goals in the playoffs I don't think that we could rely on our defense to continue to do that. No one thinks Girardi is going to continue scoring goals next year to be honest. A booming shot from the point would absolutely help our PP more than anything. It frees up space for our forwards to get down low in front of the net and get rebounds. Regardless you can't make that case that Nash is a good investment. He has never even hit 80 points and I don't think stats are everything but for 8 mill a year that's not a good statistic. Furthermore we would have to give up 2 or 3 players and prospects or picks to get him and while he is a good player is just not worth giving all that away. And to say, which some people have, that the money will work out because the players we will give away will balance it out it won't simply because we'd be down two players that we have to replace plus the 8 mill hit from Nash. I'm all for getting Ryan but not Nash.

bsi
07-10-2012, 02:09 PM
I'd trade anyone not named Crosby, Malkin or Stamkos for Datsyuk....but that's just my opinion.

Isca92
07-10-2012, 05:57 PM
Datzsyuk has 220 more assists then Nash, thats 10 years of playing with the some of the best players in the game. 10 seasons of Nick Lidstrom, 5 years with Steve Y, 9 years with Zetterberg, 4 years Shanny. If he doesn't average 22 more assists then someone whos best years were RJ Umberger, Feder Tyutin, and so on then that is a problem. If anyone throws in the 3 Selkes my answer is simple, when Lidstrom and everyone else are covering their guys its alot easier to just worry about your own guy.

How come last year everyone said Gaborik needs a number 1 center, yet Nash with less help doesn't? That wouldnt improve his stats? Hes never hit 80 points big deal hes hit 79 by himself. The cap hit, 7.8 300k more then Gomez and Drury got at the same time when the cap ceiling was 10 million lower, its not a killer.

Give up the same for Ryan, who is 3 years younger, but can bolt in 3 years. If he stays is going to require the same cap hit for longer, if he is as good. Ryan who as part of the big 3, has never put up 80 points. Double Ryans stats and they are Nash's stats yet he gets to play with Corey Perry and Ryan Getzlaf just not on the power play. So its not that Ryans a bad choice but if you give up those assets and he walks to UFA thats a step back, which is the same year Staal is up and most likely going to play with his brothers.

Now back to Datsyuk, Nash has his hands. Nash makes players on the rink better like Datsyuk. Nash is bigger and 6 years younger. Datsyuk can still compete at a top level at 34 so no reason that Nash wont.

commonsense12
07-10-2012, 07:58 PM
Weighing on the Nash vs Dats debate. Nash is much bigger but Dats is smoother. Nash is a wing, Dats is a center. Nash is more of a scorer, dats is a playmaker. Dats is 5 yrs older and that is a big difference. Both of these guys are good players but at their peaks Dats is better. Simply because he makes players around him better. Not many guys do that Crosby, malkin, Richards back in the day, Thornton back in the day and a few others. Now Dats also only makes 6.7 mill and Nash is at 7.8 mill, so thats a pretty big difference in the whole scheme of things. If you asked me today who i would want for the next 6 or 7 yrs well if salary didnt matter i would probably go with Nash based on our style of play and what i believe is Dats aging and his decreasining numbers. If i had one season with a player is Dats if he is healthy. I would also say that i do not believe players making 7millish when they are in their late 30s is a good idea. Dats only has 2 yrs left on his deal and he has been missing some games recently. He is still a great player and is a PPG guy but i personally worry about his health and age too much for him to have a long term deal. The same could be said for Richards who still has 5 yrs on his deal (after that he will prob retire because 1 mill salary). Now all that being said Nash will never be the player Dats was. I also have made it pretty clear i am not a fan of a Nash trade and that is based on his ridiculous contract and the price tag that follows. If Nash was making 6.5ish Mill i probably would not be so against a deal but he doesnt he is almost making 8 mill and for a 65 pt guy that is just too much.

NYY09
07-12-2012, 06:25 AM
Why is a LW being compared to a C? Esp. these two? bad comp IMHO...

Isca92
07-12-2012, 06:34 AM
NYY09, I made the comparission because of the type of offensive skill set that these players have. Both have Great hands, accurate shots, smooth skating ability, and great vision.

NYY09
07-12-2012, 08:56 AM
NYY09, I made the comparission because of the type of offensive skill set that these players have. Both have Great hands, accurate shots, smooth skating ability, and great vision.

What you described can be said about a lot players, many of which are probably centers, like Datzsyuk.

Anyway, its not a biggie, I agree with you and happen to be a big Nash fan. The team could/should take that next step if Glenn can acquire Rick. He's is exactly the player the team needs, kinda like Richards was last off-season.

Besides, play-makers are necessary to win a Cup and the Rangers came up short in that department last year.

Isca92
07-12-2012, 04:33 PM
NYY09, while what I said can describe many players, I think the hands of the 2 are at another level in comparisson to the rest of the league. As the kids that I coach say they can dance defenseman, not bottom defenseman but top defenseman and whenever they get the chance. One on one type plays. Turn even man rushes into odd man rushes cause they beat their guy and left him in the dust. Some players have the hands but no shot or no speed they have the whole package.

oak2455
07-12-2012, 04:47 PM
Any news or just pages of what might never happen..... Lmao ...

metswon69
07-12-2012, 05:42 PM
Any news or just pages of what might never happen..... Lmao ...

The Rangers are looking into Shane Doan via free agency, as for the Rick Nash front still nothing.

It appears Howson wants a small fortune for Nash, Sather is probably waiting out the market to see if he can get Blue Jackets to drop some of their demands.

The good thing is no team has bit yet, so i am assuming the league wide sentiment is that the Blue Jackets are demanding too much.

ShadyOne
07-12-2012, 05:51 PM
Doan is a nice player, and would be good for us, BUT...

Does he really make us that much better, for the money he will likely be looking for?

Maybe if we didn't have to deal with Gabby's injury, adding him would further strengthen the offense, but even then, I don't think he fills the need for another big-time playmaker, a gamebreaker. Wouldn't be focusing on him, or wasting resources, honestly. Rather just get the big deal done that we need. He would be a distant 2nd, or 3rd option to me. And with all the other teams likely to be interested, I wouldn't want to go anywhere near a bidding war on this guy..

bsi
07-12-2012, 06:20 PM
Doan is a nice player, and would be good for us, BUT...

Does he really make us that much better, for the money he will likely be looking for?

Maybe if we didn't have to deal with Gabby's injury, adding him would further strengthen the offense, but even then, I don't think he fills the need for another big-time playmaker, a gamebreaker. Wouldn't be focusing on him, or wasting resources, honestly. Rather just get the big deal done that we need. He would be a distant 2nd, or 3rd option to me. And with all the other teams likely to be interested, I wouldn't want to go anywhere near a bidding war on this guy..

Doan makes us MUCH better...he fits our mould, he's a real leader and plays every shift as if it were his last. IMO he was one of the top 3 players not a goalie in the playoffs. He'll help when Gaborik isn't there and be a huge addition when Gaborik gets back. As a bonus, we don't have to give any players up for him. I'd spend 5 mill on him for two years.

oak2455
07-12-2012, 08:37 PM
The Rangers are looking into Shane Doan via free agency, as for the Rick Nash front still nothing.

It appears Howson wants a small fortune for Nash, Sather is probably waiting out the market to see if he can get Blue Jackets to drop some of their demands.

The good thing is no team has bit yet, so i am assuming the league wide sentiment is that the Blue Jackets are demanding too much.

Thanks man!!! I appreciate that news

bsi
07-13-2012, 05:19 PM
Report out that Doan was offered 30 mill over 4 years by an eastern conference team.
http://www.thescore.com/home/articles/302415-report-doan-offered-4-years-30-million-from-east-team

NYY09
07-13-2012, 07:38 PM
Report out that Doan was offered 30 mill over 4 years by an eastern conference team.
http://www.thescore.com/home/articles/302415-report-doan-offered-4-years-30-million-from-east-team

It's hard not to call BS on that. 7.5 per? not even close to buying that...

bsi
07-13-2012, 09:41 PM
It's hard not to call BS on that. 7.5 per? not even close to buying that...


That's from a reputable sports network actually. My guess would be Pitsburgh.

rocowear21
07-13-2012, 10:21 PM
I know Doan is seeking a descent amount of money (maybe) The guy wants to win a championship. There is no way he could go to a team and expect 5 or 6 million a year that is close to winning a cup. If he wants to win he should be asking for the same contract in terms of money that he was making with the coyotes. He would hamper a winning team from adding other winning pieces if he was asking for a ton of money.

If I am the rangers I offer him 3 years at a cap hit of 4 a year. I tell him listen we are in contention, with you on our team we will have a great chance to win it. We are looking to acquire another top superstar as well. We as a team have a chance to win many championships while you are here.

I think something along the lines of us proposing that would maybe get things done.

ShadyOne
07-13-2012, 11:12 PM
If he actually got an offer of 4 for 30, I seriously doubt 3 for 12 is gonna get it done.

30M would be almost what he has made for his whole career prior to this next contract. Sorry, but I don't see him taking 18M less..

Isca92
07-14-2012, 08:36 AM
Ive read that 4 years 30 mil, 7.5 cap hit. Im hoping Sather didnt make that offer. Im thinking its a team with alot of cap room for the next several years, that is a bubble team looking to move to the next spot.

IAmARanger18
07-14-2012, 12:38 PM
I think that may be the Jets who gave Doan that offer, they do need to reach the cap floor.

Isca92
07-14-2012, 12:58 PM
IamaRanger, that makes sense considering he was the last first round pick the Jets had before moving.

rocowear21
07-14-2012, 01:08 PM
But what I am saying is he probably wont go to a team like lets say toronto who is not in any way close to contending for the stanley cup. He would take less money for a chance to win. A team offering him that much money can't be excelling right now. Many of the teams contending are pritty close to the cap max.

apdamico
07-14-2012, 02:17 PM
Ive read that 4 years 30 mil, 7.5 cap hit. Im hoping Sather didnt make that offer. Im thinking its a team with alot of cap room for the next several years, that is a bubble team looking to move to the next spot.

I've been saying all along to keep the prospects and sign Doan, but if it takes 7.5 mil per year for Doan, I'm out. Maybe for 2-years, but certainly not 4-years. Yes, Doan fits the Rangers and their scheme, but that's too much. Plus he wants to stay out West or sign with the Blackhawks, so that's why it would take so much money to get him to come East.

Howson stated this morning, he wants 2 NHL forwards in any deal involving Nash. We all know Dubi is one of the forwards that have been discussed, so is it Hags or AA that it would take to land Nash? Most likely Hags, since his cap number is lower and ceiling is higher.

Dubi, AA or Hags (I'd prefer AA), MDZ and Miller an Ohio native should be our offer for Nash. Throw in Thomas or a 1st round pick if that gets the deal done!

The only guy I'd miss in that deal would be Haglin, if he's the 2nd forward.

bsi
07-14-2012, 03:43 PM
But what I am saying is he probably wont go to a team like lets say toronto who is not in any way close to contending for the stanley cup. He would take less money for a chance to win. A team offering him that much money can't be excelling right now. Many of the teams contending are pritty close to the cap max.

Back to what someone else was saying though about Winnipeg, I don't think they are all that far off from being a serious team in the East. With Ladd, Little, Burmistrov, Kane, Wheeler, Jokinen Wellwood, Antropov, Meittenen as well as Mark Scheiflle and Patrice Cormier in the minors for forwards and Bogosian, Enstrom, Byfuglien, Hainsey etc on D and with Pavelic playing really well the second half, they could be a surprise team this year if a couple pieces were added, a guy like Doan would make sense for them, and they have tonnes of cap and a home crowd that fills the rink every night. Just saying if they added Doan and another D, look out for The Peg.

Isca92
07-14-2012, 04:20 PM
Bsi, dont forget he was an original Winnipeg draft pick even though he rookied after they moved. I think ImaRanger, nailed it.

Apdadamico, the problem with getting Doan is he wants too many years, sure he could play those years but Im not interested in that caphit for that length of time. Any UFA in a weak class is going to get overlaid especially with teams that have to get to the floor. Look at Jagr and Whitney, while good, thats a lot of money for players of their age. My Nash offer goes like this, Dubi/Hags/Erixon standard first and their choice between AA/Miller/Thomas. Ill miss Hags, but gotta give value to get. Our rostered D core isnt touched. Kreider and Steps arent touched.

bsi
07-14-2012, 04:48 PM
Bsi, dont forget he was an original Winnipeg draft pick even though he rookied after they moved. I think ImaRanger, nailed it.

Apdadamico, the problem with getting Doan is he wants too many years, sure he could play those years but Im not interested in that caphit for that length of time. Any UFA in a weak class is going to get overlaid especially with teams that have to get to the floor. Look at Jagr and Whitney, while good, thats a lot of money for players of their age. My Nash offer goes like this, Dubi/Hags/Erixon standard first and their choice between AA/Miller/Thomas. Ill miss Hags, but gotta give value to get. Our rostered D core isnt touched. Kreider and Steps arent touched.

I'd rather lose Hag's than Dubi or Anisimov really. I don't see him being an effective player for very long at his size, I said it before but he reminds me of Petr Prucha. It became very clear that when push came to shove he was too small to produce for us and I think Kreider has already pushed him out of the top line LW. I really think it's too bad we couldn't have gotten Jagr for a year, I really would have loved to see him work with Anisimov, I think although Jagr is obviously an elite player compared to Artem that he has the same basic skill set as Jagr and if he could have helped him use his body to shield the puck better and learn when to move from the corner to the front of the net it would be well worth the money spent. It's frustrating watching Anisimov because you see what he can bring from time to time, but he just doesn't do it consistantly or with enough force and confidence. I also realize that it's Dubi's salary that has to go back to make a Nash deal work. I think a trade I'd be comfortable with would be Dubi, Hags, Erixxon(if the don't want him then maybe McIlrath), Thomas and 1st...that's good value for Nash and it improves our current team. Miller comes up to replace Dubi, Nash moves to the first line with Kreider and Richards to start the season and we are a better team.

Isca92
07-14-2012, 05:14 PM
Bsi, I like Hags and I think Prucha is a fair assessment in his play. Im not sure if he disappeared when times got tough, or a combination of 2 things. First teams stopped holding the blue line and backed up on him. Second hos much did that suspension ge in his head. The reason I feel Prucha is a fair assessment is because hes a complimentary piece.

As for AA, hes got skill and size but for whatever reason he cant string it together. I think Kreider, uses his frame to protect the puck like JJ does better then AA. My opinion is basically if my top 6 when Gaborik comes back healthy are Richards, Gabs, Kreider, Stepan, Cally, and a true top winger Im listening. I understand not wanting to give up Miller but Borque could play third line and bring that style also.

As I stated in another thread. This team needs a second go to guy now. As Kreider develops, Gaborik decreases. Nash becomes that guy and allows Kreider to go through the growing pains without having the weight of the world on his shoulders. Right now hes expected to be. When Gaboriks contract is up, if he doesnt want a pay cut, then Nash and Kreider are your top 2 and at that point re-evaluate what they need at that point without taking a step back.

apdamico
07-14-2012, 07:06 PM
I think you guys are right about Haglin and that's why I would include him in the trade. If we do get Nash, I'm sure our 1st line would look like this:

Krieder/Richards/Nash

I think Howson has made it clear that they want the hometown Miller included in any deal, so I wouldn't be projecting him to replace anyone on our current roster.

You both seem to rather keep MDZ over Erixon, but I was hoping to include him in the deal to gain a bit more of cap space and give Columbus a 3rd NHL rostered player in hopes of keeping some of the prospects.

I had hopes of signing Doan with that money to play along with Cally and Steps on the 2nd line. That doesn't seem possible any longer with the numbers being thrown at Doan now though. I guess the better alternative right now would be to play AA on that 2nd line until Gabby returns. I also respect AA's talent and size and hope that he's just a late bloomer and can find that consistancy soon.

BTW - I believe Marek Hrivik is better prepared to step up to the next level over Borque. His production and size is better suited for Tort's system. JMHO!

Isca92
07-14-2012, 09:43 PM
Apdamico, The only way I send Erixon over MDZ is if I have information that I dont have, which is the coaching staff in the Whale truly feel he will be better then MDZ. I feel MDZ has a very high ceiling. The only knocks I had on MDZs was always using the stretch pass which has stopped and swinging the stick at the puck instead of taking the body and that has stopped. They currently have 15 million in cap space and sending Dubi sends 4 million the other way.

Hrivik seems interesting but hes only played a few games in the AHL, he seems promising but I dont have too many eggs in his basket yet. Plus were currently looking at third line possibilites which I dont see a problem with Borque playing there and maybe even Hrivic. If AA isnt part of the deal, him and Boyle are there once Gabs returns. I had to look up JMHO lol.

rocowear21
07-14-2012, 10:53 PM
Has anyone heard about this lindberg kid that we signed. Is he gonna be anything special

apdamico
07-14-2012, 11:58 PM
Apdamico, The only way I send Erixon over MDZ is if I have information that I dont have, which is the coaching staff in the Whale truly feel he will be better then MDZ. I feel MDZ has a very high ceiling. The only knocks I had on MDZs was always using the stretch pass which has stopped and swinging the stick at the puck instead of taking the body and that has stopped. They currently have 15 million in cap space and sending Dubi sends 4 million the other way.

Hrivik seems interesting but hes only played a few games in the AHL, he seems promising but I dont have too many eggs in his basket yet. Plus were currently looking at third line possibilites which I dont see a problem with Borque playing there and maybe even Hrivic. If AA isnt part of the deal, him and Boyle are there once Gabs returns. I had to look up JMHO lol.

Isca92, I might be basing my assessment of Hrivik too much on his success in the AHL playoffs, but if I'm correct, I believe we signed him at the urging of Gaborik. If that's true, I'm sure he has had plenty of international experience with the Slovakian Team. I know he plays Left Wing, but has a right-hand shot and may be able to play either wing, not to mention he has good size and speed. As you said though, once Gabby returns, AA would be going back down to the 3rd line and playing with Boyle and likely Pyatt anyway. That will have the makeup of one huge 3rd line, each player 6’ 4” or taller for the Rangers.

I guess the only thing I don't like about Ryan Bourque is his 5' 9", 164 lbs., size. I know it wasn't you, but if others are complaining about Haglin being pushed around, which I don't agree with either, wait until they see how much smaller Bourque is than Haglin. He appeared too small or at least a bit over-whelmed in the AHL. MZA did well in the AHL with an even smaller statue, but it did not translate well into Tort's system and that's why I'm not very high on either Thomas or Bourque. I rather trade both of them and keep Haglin and Miller if possible. As stated, we will have to give up quality in order to obtain quality in any trade for Nash.

I feel that Erixon and MDZ both have high ceilings, but the club will likely re-sign Stralman, case going to arbitration, if Sauer isn't ready to start the season. Then again MDZ and Erixon both play the left side, so losing one in a trade isn't going to hurt as much as Sauer's loss last season. I think we can both agree that either MDZ or Erixon would be included in any trade for Nash.

apdamico
07-15-2012, 12:19 AM
BTW, I forgot to mention that Columbus signed former Whale Jonathan Audy-Marchessault, who was a line-mate of Ryan Bourque.

I knew there was a reason I mentioned Bourque as a possible trade piece in a Nash trade, but forgot to mention my reasoning. The 2 of them also played together in the minors.

Isca92
07-15-2012, 01:50 AM
Roco, I dont know much about Oscar Lindberg, but looking at his stats on hockeydb, he doesnt seem to be anything special but he is young so if our Swedish scout said get him, ill trust him, he did find Hank and Hags.

Apdamico, I understand Bourque is small but he plays a Cally type game. Ive seen Avery walking around the Garden and hes much smaller then me (Im 5'11), but his game is forechecking and hitting. Im not saying that I wouldnt use him as a throw in but I dont think he has much value, expecially when hes being weighed against Hagelin. IMO, Hagelin is the you want Kreider and Stepan but well give you Hagelin. Thats why i dont see Bourque and Thomas saving Hagelin.

Im not saying Hrivik wont be good, but I dont know much about him other then he seemed to play well in the AHL playoffs, but he was not able to be a call up because he was on amature tryout contract. So I cant say hes going to be good either way. He did step in from the QMJL if I remember correctly, so he is ready for NA rink size.

Im not sure how willing they are to give up MDZ considering he had a nice bounce back season, only to have a bad couple last games after hearing of the passing of his grandmother, who he was reportedly close with.

bsi
07-15-2012, 02:14 AM
I think you guys are right about Haglin and that's why I would include him in the trade. If we do get Nash, I'm sure our 1st line would look like this:

Krieder/Richards/Nash

I think Howson has made it clear that they want the hometown Miller included in any deal, so I wouldn't be projecting him to replace anyone on our current roster.

You both seem to rather keep MDZ over Erixon, but I was hoping to include him in the deal to gain a bit more of cap space and give Columbus a 3rd NHL rostered player in hopes of keeping some of the prospects.

I had hopes of signing Doan with that money to play along with Cally and Steps on the 2nd line. That doesn't seem possible any longer with the numbers being thrown at Doan now though. I guess the better alternative right now would be to play AA on that 2nd line until Gabby returns. I also respect AA's talent and size and hope that he's just a late bloomer and can find that consistancy soon.

BTW - I believe Marek Hrivik is better prepared to step up to the next level over Borque. His production and size is better suited for Tort's system. JMHO!

People are too critical of how DelZotto plays, he's seriously our most skilled defenseman, no doubt about it. Girardi and Staal are great defensively, and McDonagh plays well but not one of our D can play both ends of the ice like DelZotto can and he's only going to get better. He improved so much last year after he had a bad one because his biggest problem was he wasn't physical enough, and he played more physical last year. He's the type of player that can learn. I'll say this now, he's gonna be the best defenseman out of our current roster, by far and Erixxon isn't even close.